Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - The Last Temptation Of Homer

Episode Date: April 12, 2017

Homer is attracted to another woman and doesn’t know what to do, while Bart becomes a nerd overnight. All that, plus we dig deep into Hogan’s Heroes history in this week’s podcast…

this episode of talking simpsons is brought to you by geek fuel and if you go to geekfuel.com slash laser time you can get a free star wars item worth twenty dollars i heartily endorse this event or product. Ahoy, hoy, everybody, and welcome to Talking Simpsons, where we never stop thinking on sexy thoughts. I'm your host, Bob Mackie, and I'm sweating like Roger Ebert, and this is the Lazer Time Podcast Network's chronological exploration of The Simpsons. Who else is here with me today? Henry Gilbert, and I must say, Excelsior!

And who else? Legionnaire, disease-free Chris Antistim. Oh, finally, Chris. And today's episode is The Last Temptation of Homer. And it aired on December 9th, 1993. And Chris will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real world history. Oh my God. Good golly, Miss Raleigh Bob.

Snoop Dogg's Doggy Style is the biggest album in the land. Frank Zappa passes away and Pablo Escobar, star of Netflix's Narcos, is killed. Weird. Okay, so one Simpsons episode had a Frank Zappa tribute at the end? Or am I thinking of Duckman? Duckman didn't even air yet. Mystery Science Theater. Lots

of people were fans of Frank Zappa. Ren and Stimpy. I've heard on comment. He was the Pope in the Powder Toast movie. I love that episode. I'm saved! That's a whole denation to my buttocks i i thought that was like the worst voice acting i've ever heard until i like listen to frank zappa's music like that's just how he sounds yeah he sounds like that well the the powder toast man episode is

one of my all-time favorite cartoons ever i love it and just gary owens screaming at the top of one gratings mentions it offhandedly he'sdropping, but he was friends with Frank Zappa way before The Simpsons hit it big, just as cartoon boy Matt Groening. He was a zine and music background, right? Well, Frank Zappa was insufferable. I love him. You're going to get shit for this.

I never liked his music particularly much. I wasn't a fan. I didn't hear much of it, but he had a song on this Dr. Demento collection I owned. And I was like, this isn't funny. About not eating the yellow snow? It's Dance and Fool. Dance and Fool, yeah. I was like, I get it.

It's a song, but I'll go back to eat it. Thank you very much. Also, I can't think of Frank Zappa now without thinking of Sharpling and Worcester on the Best Show made up a fake Zappa song that they always go to like, you haven't heard jazz fart? They're like, how's that go? Jazz fart, jazz fart.

Everyone's doing the jazz fart. That sounds like baby snakes. Exactly. It does. If you've heard a Frank Zappa song, it's probably Valley Girl girl that was his most popular song and he hated how popular it was he he hated being popular he hated being liked he was he was kind of a sour old man he was a sour jerk speaking of duck man his son played ajax

which uh duck man would not air until the spring following this episode. Dweezil, Ahmed, and Moon Unit. Moon Unit. Is that the girl? That's the lady. Okay. She's the valley girl. She's the valley girl. Dated Marc Maron or something?

Briefly, I skipped the Marc Maron intro so much that I don't really know. But I hope you never skip these intros and just go straight to when we have the first clip. This is a very good biography of Frank Zappa that's very respectful and thorough. I made the news all pop culture so you didn't have to hear about Boris Yeltsin. Oh. I miss that boy. I'd trade Boris Yeltsin for Putin any day. Just a fat drunk.

No. I picked a sports team. I'm okay with whatever Putin does. So this episode. No way. I want World War III with Putin right now. Yes. This episode, The Last Temptation of Homer, it is the second Homer infidelity episode.

But I feel like they work a lot harder than they did with Lurleen Lumpkin to give Mindy a personality. Mindy Simmons is much more of a person than Lurleen Lumpkin. And to make her not this sort of scheming husband-stealer. I mean, Lurleen was sympathetic, but Mindy is even more so sympathetic. Lurleen was sympathetic in the beginning of you meeting her in that, in the Colonel Homer episode, but about halfway through, she's just like,

no, I'm out to wreck your home. It's like, and I will sleep with you. Yeah. I, I want to have sex with you. Like this is my plan.

And I don't know if it was just to tempt me or the audience, but the audience, but the best butt in Simpsons history belongs to Mindy Simmons. Like, she's like... Her sweet, sweet can. Particularly voluptuous. They gave her quite a shape. It is impressive. Especially the...

Michelle Pfeiffer. She's wearing, like, mom jeans. Yeah. She's wearing fucking bongo jeans. Yeah. Perfect 90s butt pants. Yes. I've seen 90s butts. michelle pfeiffer doesn't

really sex it up as much as like well that beverly d'angelo did merkin talked about this a lot on the commentary about how he recognized that they did the learn lean thing before but they wanted this to be more like homer and her just have a connection and they're both trying to resist it but can't yeah and that she had been reading like when she's recorded the lines he mentioned that she had been doing it more sexily and then he's like no no calm it down like this is you're a person you're a woman who's a person you're not just a sex it's downright male homer it's downright sedate and weird considering they got one at the time one of the most beautiful women in hollywood yeah and i love i love michelle pfeiffer she's great she's she's great in everything and yeah

i meant to look i looked it up and i really wanted her to be a grandma it's not true that's not the case she did take a few years off to be a parent and be with her kids and son that's why she wasn't in movies for about four years and then when she she comes back, she's only old and things. You can play Spider-Man's grandmother. Now she plays Grandma Hagley in every movie. I want to say, like, we've gone a lot through season five without a B story. I feel like this is the first season five episode with a B story. But a good B story. We have Bart becoming a nerd, and the first scene opens with one of his mega pranks.

This is great. The beauty of it is each parking space is a mere one foot narrower, indistinguishable to the naked eye. But therein lies the game. I fear to watch, yet I cannot turn away. I want that on a t-shirt with Milhouse saying it. I've said that a million times. I love that.

It's one of those Shakespearean Simpsons lines that I mean all my friends saying. It makes me so anxious. It made me anxious my friends say. It makes me so anxious. It made me anxious as a kid. It makes me anxious watching it now, just how everyone is trapped in their cars and they're freaking out. It's too much. Grace, claustrophobic. Skinner, Edna Exchange. Blasted woman, you parked too close.

Move your car. I'm in the lines. You got a problem? Go tell your mama. Oh, don't worry. She'll hear about this. I can't get out. I about this. I can't get out! I'm trapped.

I can't breathe! Maybe the most maniacal laugh Vard has ever... That's a Sideshow Bop laugh, if anything. He is very happy to be evil. And once again, they're really building up the Skinner versus his mom thing in Season 5. More than anything. There's one line per episode. Sorry.

Yeah, we're still weeks away from meeting Agnes in the 100th episode. She won't have a spoken word until again, until that episode. We heard her speak in the Crepes of Wrath, but that is a very different episode. That is a very different Agnes than the one we will get to me back when she called seymour spanky which would never be mentioned again and uh the i like that uh krabappel punishes him it's a smart punishment of just like i'm going to embarrass you by calling on you the rest of the year you're going to have to be engaged the rest of the year and that then bart's bad eyesight so this yeah this episode hit me hard as a kid because i am a nerd i did that even then i had a lazy eye and bad eyesight and then to see

bart's transformation into a detested nerd to come from especially the lazy eye i was like oh am i am i am I a huge nerd? Your hair looks fabulous, though. Didn't look so good then. Because he ends up going to every single doctor. A weird HMO joke? Does that even still exist? HMOs were new then.

I mean, they're around now. I know nothing about healthcare. I just check the box on my employment forms. Yes, make sure I don't die. I've committed fraud with Obamacareacare fingers crossed i can keep doing that well when i was a kid we did go to an hmo a few times like mom takes me and my brother for a yearly checkup and its thing was just like hibbert talks it up is that multiple specialists are in the same place so they can collect your money at once instead of you going to your general practitioner who then says go to the ear nose and throat guy or go to the go to the optometrist or go to the foot guy they're just like look we're all here we all can get money

from you in in one place yes just avoid the tube i thought this was weird the uh he goes to what the ear nose and throat person well we're going a little out of order here. Yeah, but we're just sticking with Bart's B story for now. Yeah, so this is when he's getting nerded up by all his treatments. Looks a little red. I better spray it. Oh, thanks, nice lady. My voice is crazy with this brain already.

Oh, you feel so much better, Mr. Medical Science type's uh dan castaneda doing his jerry lewis and i feel like it's a it's a better impression but i think hank azarias is more funny i well i think it it's more of a character yeah yeah well dan's is just a very good jerry lewis and then hank it's like hank did with a lot of his characters. I start with an impression and then I turn it a little bit. So Frank isn't 100% the nutty professor. He's a little more confident. And he can be the voice of reason sometimes instead of just like. The simpering man child. It's so good.

But the A story is. It starts with Homer trying to. Like first. Actually, it's funny. Bart and Homer both have like murderous pranks. The simpering man-child. It's so good. But the A story is... It starts with Homer trying to... Like, first... Actually, it's funny. Bart and Homer both have, like, murderous pranks. Yeah, there's some nice symmetry going on there. No, Homer's is just so mean. Like, there's no joke to it.

It's just like, you killed this guy. It was an accident. He killed him. Yeah, he knew what he was doing. And they're all in the same amount of danger. The idea of the emergency. Being too cheap to have anything but a painted-on emergency exit. Just paint it on.

There's no way out. There's no way out. Well, sir, I won't bore you with the details of our miraculous escape, but we desperately need a real emergency exit. Why, that's a fabulous idea. Anything else you'd like? How about real lead in the radiation shields? Urinal cakes, maybe?

Smithers, throw this at him. I do like the line, we won't bore you with the details, because they don't have a reason to get them out of there. Just like, well, they did escape, but I don't care how. It's such a Merkin FU, but yeah, they are actually, in a way, painted into a corner, literally,

with that painted on door. There is no escape, and they are definitely dead. Yeah, a cloud of toxic smoke envelops them. with that painted on door that there is no escape and they are definitely dead yeah so there's no a cloud of toxic smoke envelops them and that reverse trap door was great of the tube sucking him to india and then like well of course you had to bring the futurama yeah there was lots of tubes but the though that was charlie's last appearance for a few years he he will be seen in a flashback in maggie makes three at the plant but don't get him confused because there is a similar guy to charlie who is at the

bar at mo's bar but that's not him as he looks like charlie's if you remember the guy who goes like hey you know homer about the h they're not they're keeping us away from high definition television then homer rats him out to the irs that's not charlie oh okay there is i forget why march was hired by the plant but oh because the guy retired yeah for this reason they they want to hire people is because the economy took a turn for the worse so i love that money fight yeah money no the economy doesn't take a turn for the worse they get rid of charlie you're thinking of springfield oh man yeah sorry very similar scenes though by sucking charlie away They get rid of Charlie. You're thinking of Springfield. Oh, man, yeah, sorry. Very similar scenes, though.

By sucking Charlie away, they have to replace him with someone. Okay, yes, I am thinking of Springfield. And they want to keep it tight while still having their money fights. It sucks this isn't Tibor. Yes. Because Burns wants to replace him with an immigrant he can pay once in an hour. Zutroy. I wish it was Tibor. Agent was in Department of Labor.

This man's an illegal alien. That's preposterous. Zutroy here is I wish it was T4. Agent was in Department of Labor. This man's an illegal alien. That's preposterous. Zutroi here is as American as apple pie. This plant violates every labor law in the book. We found a missing Brazilian soccer team working in your reactor core. That plane crashed on my property. So that, of course, is a reference to the movie Alive, based on the book by the same name. It was actually Uruguayan.

Uruguay? How do you say the name of the country? Uruguay. Uruguay. You are gay. That's how Homer pronounces it. Uruguayan rugby team, and they crashed in some mountain range in 1972. The Andes, yeah.

And that was a staple of every comedy show in this era because it involved cannibalism which is hilarious they survived by eating their uh fallen like a fellow yeah and then one guy says tastes like chicken in alive this was the thing i i've come to notice revisiting many 90s sitcoms and pre in early decades too of just like we can't just do a cannibalism joke on here we can't just do a joke about assassinating jfk they can't do any of those jokes just straight up but if they say this is a reference to crying game this is a reference to alive to tootsie this is a reference to oliver stones jfk they can get away with the with the grossest stuff that they could never do otherwise by just saying like no

it's a reference to alive i think that might still be an effect when i think it still is when i see like a lot of the seth mcfarlane stuff they can't really get away with well some of the content unless it's a reference yeah like if one of the characters did it out of nowhere you couldn't make that rape joke exactly but me otherwise it's a okay but if you're spinning something like a cutaway to not to fiction it's wow i mean like a decade ago i think it was broke back mountain if you wanted to make a gay joke oh yeah totally yeah i they they found a new gay joke to do but uh yeah it was it was broke back back in the day and i did want to run down through the list of the uh the

power plant illegal workers so we have zootroy we have t-bor who i assume was there legally but they made it sound like he wasn't. He at least doesn't speak English. Zutroy? Zutroy's the guy who got a shiny penny or nickel or whatever. He looks like the guy who tried to sell Homer the car that could be put on an H. Crazy Valklob. So Zutroy,

Tibor, Stuart the Duck we meet in this episode, and Queenie, who Homer ate. R.I.P. Queenie. Yeah, the chicken. That's right's right and i do and it's also an interesting thing now of the idea of illegal immigrants is a little different bit of a plot turning point than it is in used in this episode i thought we were clear that it was exploitation and not the fault of the immigrant but it's not that kind of show i'm sorry but uh god i just love that money fight.

I think that money fight, whenever I think of like, oh, we're so poor, it's so hard for executives. Money fight. I think of that constantly. I didn't get as rich this year. One final thing we forgot to mention. I feel it's incredibly important that when Bart gets his glasses, the doctor reassures him that Menachem Begin wore a pair just like them.

I think I said the name wrong, but he was the sixth prime minister of Israel. And yes, Bart's glasses do look a lot like Menachem's. They look like mine. Well, and Menachem Begin also is a Nobel Peace Prize winner. He co-won it with Anwar Sadat of Egypt for ending the, what was it, the Six Days War? There was a very brief war between Israel and Egypt that then they came together and ended it.

And Menachem Begin was there. He was not known as an attractive man. Just keep in mind, whenever we stumble across a name like this while watching an episode, we have to stop the train. I have to look this up. It's my duty. So in general, this is a feeling I had about Homer in this week's episode. I think

Dan Castellaneta had a cold. Homer sounds off to me. He sounds like a little too high, a little too nasal, like Homer's living in his nose. There's not too many other Dan voices in this episode, but something just doesn't sound right about Dan.

All of my favorite scenes are slightly different tones and reads yeah when he says girdle clink like it's just a little higher listen for it in our other clips it took me 20 minutes to say i love this episode someone tweeted at dan castellano and asked him if he had a cold in april of 1993 and i did but but yeah it's just something higher pitch it always bothered me as a kid that it sounded weird every time I'd rewatch it. Or it could be this thing. I had heard the term only on the commentaries for the part two of Blue Shop Mr. Burns, where they say they 10%ed it.

Which means they had to speed it up by 10%, a slightly imperceptible amount, but just to get as much as they can. But when you do that everybody talks just a little bit faster and sometimes lines are just like whoa that sounded weird but it's how i sneak episodes of arrow on youtube it's it's now been used by many youtube tricksters of like oh then we pitch shifted it just a little bit but like listen how he says powdered gravy but so when he first meets mindy they do say she they act like she is the only woman to work at the plant yeah obviously marge had worked there before but on that episode too there's at least one other woman the woman staring off into the middle distance drinking

that that is another woman at the plant i can't think of another woman i've seen in the first season there's a ton in the background i remember remember during... Not a ton being like one-eighth of the workforce. Yeah. I remember in Homer Defined, a man was having sex with a woman in the closet during the meltdown. It's like, see you next meltdown, baby. That's right. Okay, so there.

There's at least one other woman. But yeah, the Department of Labor Forces burns to hire a woman to get out of trouble, and we get Mindy. Oh, if they hire a woman, we won't be able to spit on the floor. And we can't take off our pants when it gets real hot. And we won't be able to pee in the drinking fountain. Yeah, I mean, you know, if we wanted to.

Not that I ever did. Gentlemen, I'd like you to meet your new co-worker, Mindy Simmons. I think she has a degree in engineering or something. Hi, how's it going? Pleased to meet you. Yeah, ditto. Hi. Mama, what's the matter? Haven't you never seen a naked chick

riding a clam before? I had only seen it once in The Adventures of Baron Munchausen. Yeah. It's Uma Thurman being surrounded by angels and wrapped in that movie's a little, yeah I think it would have been out in time to be referenced here. It's a reference to a classic piece of art though, right? It is. I mean it's the birth

of Venus. But the angels flying around us is the only reason I'm, and I will not die on this hill. Angels holding up thing for censorship purposes that was the old school censorship. I don't even think i loved baron van baron von munchausen but it was just on like hbo all the time as a kid i didn't amazing it was probably the first thing i saw robin williams in and it's

a really good one i remember reading that eric idol said about that movie that he did it and it was a miserable shoot and he said that everyone should see see a Terry Gilliam film, but no one should be in them. They are no fun to me. His character gets to chase down a bullet. When I was a little kid, I thought that was the coolest scene I'd ever seen. He's faster than the Flash. He can stop a bullet, but he's also 80 years old, and it hurts his hands. It's such a great scene. So the problem introduced in this episode or the issue at hand, I feel like, is a very specific and extremely down-to-earth thing to have on The Simpsons.

Yeah, I think so. Where it's like, you're an adult. You're in the same place with someone you're incredibly attracted to all day. What do you do with those feelings? And I feel like this is a good exploration of that. Yeah, yeah. I think it's something, I mean, I can say it's happened to me. It's not happening now.

Anyone I work with, it's fine. To TBH, it's like, I worked at a Chinese restaurant and for the state and then moved out to California and immediately got like just dream jobs. I always thought I'd die in the basement of some department of labor because that's all that was in my town. So I just turned that part of my brain off. But I still think it's a surprisingly honest depiction of how. Yeah. Homer comes out looking good. Mandy comes out looking good. They're both dealing with the same problem. Yeah. of my brain off but i still think it's it's a surprisingly honest depiction of how yeah homer comes out looking good mandy comes out looking good they're both dealing with the same problem yeah work crushes just happen all the time it's about how you deal with them i have definitely

the most work crush drama i ever had was at the movie theater i worked at but that was that's honestly i used to work with hank by the way i was really hopeful about hope it was because everybody the movie theater was like 23 and under. And so guess what? They all were like fucking and being stupid. And sexy as hell. And especially like this one guy, there was a couple there who were just like, oh, you're the couple who works together. Everybody loves you.

And then that guy had sex with this one other girl there. And then it was just like everybody. But the couple still stayed together. And I was just like, oh, boy, this is all this is so awkward. And I'm stuck in the middle of a giant hate fest. But that it's also the weird to me that nobody else is into Mindy. Like when Homer is trying to talk about how how much he likes Mindy to Carl and Lenny. They're not like, who cares? I feel like... Mindy has a motorcycle.

That's not totally analogous to work, but just groups of men where don't upset the balance. Don't rock the ecosystem of this dude thing we have going on. This clip emphasizes that. What do you guys think of Mindy? Seems okay.

Anybody see the game last night yeah that mindy seems real nice homer what's with you you're talking during a coffee break yeah usually just take the box of donuts into the bathroom mindy has a motorcycle that would have been my line of the show uh i just i noticed that this time it was a great thing in the animes and homer just pours basically great thing of the animators and Homer just pours basically a cup of sugar into it and then stirs it with his finger

I do that all the time well I'm not a coffee drinker I mean Homer would naturally do this but are they trying to show he's distracted by thinking of Mindy maybe no I think that's probably how much he normally does drink and put sugar in his coffee and I just saw a picture

on social media as uh somebody who took a box of donuts into the like somebody took a picture of somebody in a separate stall who on the floor he had well they had like their coat and then on top of the coat was the open box of donuts so they went to the they hid and i have to i don't believe their pants are down around their ankles so it was just to hide in the bathroom to eat all the donuts. I was going to tip my hat to that fellow and just, you're the most efficient human being ever. The donut goes in, donut goes out. It's that fast. I think Michelle Pfeiffer does a very good job acting too.

She's great. And I looked into it. She is very underused as a voice actor. She's actually only been a voice actor she's actually only been a voice in two animated projects after this and i know them both none of them disney nope but titan ae nope dreamworks dreamworks and two-dimensional prince of egypt yep that's one of them wow damn i'm just guessing And then the one right after that. The Rodel Dorado?

Sorry, the one after that. Moses Goes to Town. No, it's Sinbad. Oh, I forgot they did that. Damn. Yeah, she's good in both. Well, you forget those because that was them like, we should finance an early 90s Disney film.

Then when Shrek showed up, it's like, what are we doing? It's too expensive. They were the Shrek machine. I grew up in the heyday of, then when Shrek showed up, it's like, what are we doing? It's too expensive. I grew up in the heyday of well, not the heyday, but the resurgence of Batman thanks to the Tim Burton movies. And if you're thinking of re-watching them, don't. They're better left in your memories. With the

exception of Batman Returns and Michelle Pfeiffer. She's so good in it. She's scary, sexy, weird, funny. It's fucking awesome. she is so cool in that movie and she has great chemistry with michael keaton too yeah she's really good i i think she's awesome in that and she's she's an underrated actress i think other than that there's like almost nothing i've seen her in it's like scarface and uh oh one fine day how about that no thanks but the she's but she's great i wish she she Nah. Nah, no thanks. But she's great.

I wish she should be doing more voice acting and that she's playing it so well. They talk about how that she's eating, when she's eating the donut, she's on off mic, she is eating like celery. She's eating, but she just had a kid.

They talked about how, when they recorded it, she just had a daughter. I can play the clip in a second but I love the advice Homer has to ask Barney and Mo for advice the perfect summation of this episode I feel

like it's like just distilled in one sentence it's great Mo I need your advice yeah see I got this friend named Joey Jojo Junior Shabadoo. That's the worst name I ever heard. Hi, Joey Jojo.

Oh, what the hell? It's me. I'm attracted to another woman. What am I going to do? Your infatuation is based on a physical attraction. Talk to the woman, and you'll realize you have nothing in common. I cut off the joke there because i feel like that's where they should have cut it off yeah well the joke is that it's on a it's on a

barnet yeah i want to say they missed the chance to put tipsy mcstagger that's not tipsy mcstagger just some other guy it basically was tipsy yeah joey jojo jr shabadoo it's become a easy thing to say like when you're making up a name or you're just like, oh, I know who made that movie. It's Joey Jojo. I'm sure every forum online has a Joey Jojo Jr. Shabadoo. Though, I had to double check this. I thought he was the guy who runs King Toots, but they're a different look. It's a different guy.

For some reason in my head, I always assumed that's the same guy who runs King Toots from Lisa's Pony. It isn't. I also want to say in this episode homer uh immediately is aware of his feelings for lurleen in uh sorry not lurleen but mindy in the lurleen episode he is in denial the entire time he refuses to talk about it only in the end does he come out yeah part of it is yeah he does have no clue he doesn't have feelings for her initially like she comes on to him yeah and i think when he just realized like well i could have sex yeah he's kind of regretful about like oh i could have had sex a lot i forgot about this episode either it doesn't air in syndication or it cuts out a lot but it's it's surprisingly honest because homer is is almost the aggressor? Well, not totally, but it is that Lurleen, for Lurleen it really was just like,

he only regrets, oh, I could have had sex once with you, or not even, he doesn't like, oh, I love you, like he's not. But I'm at that age. He's like, I love you. Like when I sometimes will go out and drink with somebody and like, you know, I was really into you like seven years ago. Like, no idea. This option does not exist to me now.

That's insane. Like, I have to cross-check this. I could have done that? I want to get back to the, my line of the show is when Bart comes to school and it is a nerd. And this was the one that struck at my heart hard. And it was also, like, this was me saying that to the TV, realizing that I am a nerd.

And also the way my mom, I just remember my mom laughed at it almost too much. I was like, but this could all just be built up in my memory. This is all so great. There's another joke from The Simpsons I thought I liked more, but it's all predicated here with something Martin says. And it ends with both Bart and Milhouse seeing each other in their glasses. I love that scene.

This would have been my line of the show if not for the thing I love so much. Okay. Nice glasses, four eyes. Yeah, nice shoes. Two feet. Your appearance is comical to me. I'm a nerd. So am I.

I like Nelson's accepting grunt when he kind of backs away from the joke. It's more Mr. Burns, I'm sorry. It was pretty good. But Milhouse never realized to this point he is a nerd. Much later he realizes he's not a nerd because nerds are smart. Yeah, that's true. He's more of a dweeb. Yeah, that revelation too.

I mean, when they get to the nerd club, that's also when I've realized that. But just them seeing it, it's such a great end to that. I'm like, so am I. Just them seeing each other in their it, it's such a great end to that of like, so am I. Like, just them seeing each other in their glasses, it's so great. Though, let me tell you, Lazy Eye is not fixed by two weeks of wearing special glasses. He'd have to wear an eye patch, which is much more humiliating than glasses. Not if you grow out a kick-ass beard. Oh, you can't do that either.

What, as a 10-year-old? Again, this was a punch in the gut. Like, I was 11 watching this. you grow out a kick-ass beard oh you can't do that either what as a 10 year old again this this was a punch in the gut like i was 11 watching this and like here's parts one year younger than me like oh this is me at least nerds can grow up and get good jobs people like me and barn are fucked you're gonna be pumping my gas yeah that's right the second the Patreon runs out, I'm out there bagging your groceries. Robots do that now, Chris. God damn it. But a lot of jocks just go and get a BA in money and just become your boss.

I'm a project manager. And they're loud and confident enough to do whatever they want. Yep. But Homer tries to... Oh, the beatings of Bart are so cool. They are so... That is a Merkin thing in general. But the sounds are so comedic, is what I like. They are comedic, but if you just think of the force on how fast they're punching down...

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It comes back from break, and it's Estelle Getty sitting on the couch watching TV, and this was just funny, like, the terminology she uses here, I'm like, You called out wrestling, you pansy? If you can't take a crutch slam like a man, get out of the business! Damn! Just get out of the business is such a, like, modern phrase, like, that she knows

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Raspberry swirl with a double glaze. Double glaze. No. Okay, so we have one thing in common. But you know what I hate? Glaze. Double glaze. Oh, okay. So we have one thing in common. But you know what I hate? Drinking beer and watching TV. Oh, not me.

That's my idea of heaven. Me too. Really? I can see I'm going to love working with you. Well, got to go. I want to sneak in a quick nap before lunch. Temptress. I bet you think Ziggy's gotten too preachy, too.

Unfairly, the universe is sort of smashing them together, as we'll see. And then we learn that Homer is better off... You don't have to explain Ziggy, right? No, no. I definitely heard of Ziggy, but actually my local newspaper did not carry Ziggy. Mine didn't either. Too controversial for florida but my father uh had like the most 70s ziggy book of all time it was like one of the first things i could pick up off my parents bookshelf and read so well by the 90s ziggy was too preachy so it wasn't cool anyway if i read him i'm like i don't know when my family

was on vacation and i was reading another state's newspaper and Ziggy was in there. I was like, eh, what's so special? Like, I never was pushed to get a Ziggy collection and I owned many comic strip collections. I was obsessed with Garfield Choose the Fat. Garfield putting it on. I think everything up till book 24 of Garfield. I at least

had the 20, yeah. And then Foxtrot, Calvin and Hobbes. Calvin and Hobbes. But Ziggy, look, because the art can be amazing from time to time. It can be, yeah. And I will said to 20 yeah and then and then foxtrot calvin and hobbes calvin hobbes and but ziggie ziggie hello because the art can be amazing from time to time it can be yeah it and i will say since it's december according this episode oh yes ziggie's gift is one of the best christmas specials few people have ever seen it's on youtube in its entirety harry nilsson does the music and richard williams who does the animation for thiefief and the Cobbler and Hooping Roger Rabbit. Perhaps the greatest American animator of our generation, if maybe ever.

So I don't need to rail on this again because it's the wrong show, but after the Peanuts Christmas special, every single Sunday strip got launched with a holiday special. They all got a shot, as did Ziggy. And Ziggy's is needlessly beautiful because he doesn't talk. I think every Ziggy comic strip is Ziggy's gift to the world. It's really good. I identify with Ziggy because every day he gets owned by a bird, and that's my life.

Birds love to troll you. It's totally true. Meanwhile, Mindy must have either an incredible metabolism or she just goes to the gym all the time because she cannot do all those things. I think this is partially to make all of us more attracted to Mindy, too. I mean, yeah. What a test of will. Though you do have to wonder. I mean, I think she just has daddy issues and that's why she likes Homer.

How young is Mindy, do we think? Mid-20s? I don't know. 30? Who knows? She has an engineering degree. I think early 30s. She's dumb, so it couldn't have been a Doogie Howser situation.

Or maybe 28. She could be like 28. Late 20s. I feel like a woman in her 30s would still be like, look, I've been around the block a while. I'm not going to get with a married man. She'd just say, I've got lots of takers out there. I don't need to be with the Mary guy,

but I think it's, I think it's daddy issues. It's a lovely feeling though. For tubby, unattractive old people that someday someone who looks like Mindy might be accidentally attracted to you. And I definitely didn't get the innuendo in the elevator. Dude,

that shit was crazy. Gotta go. I have to play this. Yeah. I guess we'll be going down together. I mean, getting off together. I mean... That's okay.

I'll just push the button for the stimulator. I mean elevator. That, when he rips open the door and... Yeah. It's like the best cartoon moment ever. And more rare than you'd think on The Simpsons. Yeah, it definitely has a nerdy kid. I said, like, there's no way that elevator is next to the cooling tower.

Why is there a stop on the cooling tower? They're both taking that elevator to avoid one another because they're both very attracted to one another. And I had to play because I love Barney and this makes me laugh. That's Homer trying to think unsexy thoughts. It's Patty and Selma shaving their legs, followed by Barney in a bikini dancing that song, and belching. But if you didn't know, it's the I Dream of Genie song.

Yeah. It's an uncredited Hanna-Barbera animation. Bob thought it was Bewitched off-screen. He thought it was Bewitched. I did. Oh, you did? Yeah, it was me. Yeah, thought it was Bewitched. I did. Oh, you did? Yeah, it was me. Yeah, it was Chris.

Sorry. Fuck him. Bob under the bus. Because you're going to need to know 60s and 70s sitcoms. Very soon, yes. I love the gross family portion. It's a great way that the family lets him down. But not even lets.

They're all innocent. Yeah, it's not a personal affront to Homer. I feel so bad for Marge that she just has to be ugly for this scene. Or they have to, like, not ugly, but she has to be unattractive just through having a cold. Yeah, Mindy is this ideal for Homer, and he comes home to a reality. His family, she has, like, hasn't hurt him or, like, made him bankrupt, but they kind of just, he came home and his whole family shit themselves. Yes, they're just all in bad shape. Ah, home to my loving family.

What more could a man ask for? Hi, Homer. Don't kiss me. I'm all stuffed up. Hi, Dad. Hi, son. How are you? Dad, look.

I made fish sticks. They're burned on the outside, but they're frozen on the inside, so it balances out. Yeah, good. That raccoon stole my lamb chop! We also see the t-shirt Marge got made that was ruined. And during my first E3 in 2011, my very first E3, I was working in our little workroom, and I saw one of my peers, an IGN Australia guy, had that shirt on

and I was like, I've made it. I'm living it up. It's like something our buddy Bart of Darkness makes. I think Bart of Darkness has also made it or I've seen that shirt on Etsy.

I'm not sure who made it. I have never been happier with my Highman t-shirt. I love mine too. I love them all. Thanks, Bart of Darkness. Thank you so much, Bart of Darkness.

The acting by Castellaneta there, Ieta they're like yeah just him trying to be nice to lisa this episode is amazing he's the acting is really great this is just a great episode and the uh yeah you don't have a clip of it but the just do it thing the animators really they're like okay i'm drawing the best ass and it's just full ass like i guess technically it's just a hyper thong and for workout clothes i mean i used to make jokes this is like you know i'm a little kid like why wouldn't i just draw this stuff for myself all the time and it turns out a lot of animators do and if they don't but they sell their work at comic-con that's what they end up drawing anyway yeah on commission i think it's important to note. I feel like Homer would be more insensitive to his family suffering all these problems.

But he's coming home thinking, like, no, I love my family. I'm going to be very nice to my family who I love. I'm not going to cheat on Marge. I wouldn't leave this family for anyone. And I also want to get real quick on the – Kent Brockman brings up everybody's affairs, like all these presidents affairs and didn't make them great. So Kennedy and Clinton have too many affairs to name. But when they said Eisenhower and HW Bush,

those were surprises to me. I didn't really know. So Eisenhower's was Kay Summersbee, who was his assistant before he became president back in world war two. And he wanted, he did have an affair with her on his wife in World War II but then she had married by the time he was president so they didn't really do

anything together. Meanwhile, H.W. was with Jennifer Fitzgerald, his personal assistant for decades and was like in the 70s and 80s. I didn't hear about this. See? This was a point Hillary brought up in like 92 and

everybody's like all they're bringing up is jennifer flowers don't you know that hw also had been cheating on his wife all time and nobody cared then either but again like bill it you don't want to think about hw ever having sex like at least with bill you're like oh bill slick willie always with the smooth rock hard prudence and then lastly lincoln's affairs were actually all uh supposedly homosexual there there's not any there's not any woman he's connected to read weekly world news i i know i mean uh there was a man named speed i believe it was joshua speed that he was the there was a man named Speed. I believe it was Joshua Speed that he was. A man named John Wilkes Booth? Well, according to the Gettysburg Address, he scored four times seven years ago. So I guess they were all gay encounters.

The reason it's unsubstantiated is just like people say, he has these letters about sleeping in bed with his other men. But then people say, well, no, in the 1860s or 1850s this was just guy code of like well i guess we're sharing a bed we are two men this is what men do i thought it was like there's no central heating and we live in log cabins yeah and so let's merge beards so that i mean the definition of homosexuality that we know today wasn't a thing in 1850s america that was so even if he was fucking this speed dude, they would be just like, it's just what men do on trips.

Gotta fuck something. But that he seemed more into it and that he spent a long time away from Mary Todd. And there's some other suspect letters of like, sounds like you kissed this guy. This is weird. So those were the affairs of the other people named in there so obviously kennedy just had sex with everybody bill clinton has like 18

ones you can't name and this was even before anybody knew about they did this joke just when jennifer flowers was the famous one but there were like i believe several other women who said oh no i was also his girlfriend i was a secret girlfriend can you imagine kennedy's big puffy face going down on you i am gonna give you an orgasm i'm doing my best squinting um god damn it all right so more nostalgia if that uh i don't here we go yes yeah so homer it's a great joke that homer calls ned on the marriage hotline they They should have done more with that, honestly. Ned, knowing that Homer is thinking of cheating on Marge, but so that he's knocked unconscious, he's visited by his guardian angel, who is somebody he doesn't recognize at first.

Isaac Newton, right? Then he has to transform into someone he does recognize. I am not explaining Isaac Newton to you. Who are you? You discovered Albus? I'm your guardian angel. I've assumed the form of someone you would recognize and revere. explaining Isaac Newton to you. Who are you? You discovered Albus. I'm your guardian angel. I've assumed the form of someone you would recognize and revere. Sir Isaac Newton.

Sir Isaac who? Oh, very well. Colonel Clink! Did you ever get my letters? I'm not actually Colonel Clink. I'm just assuming his form. Did you know Hogan had tunnels all over your camp? Homer!

I barely get this. You've got to play that death jingle. Oh, no! This is another time for the death jingle. Verner... Death stalks you at every turn! There it is! Death! Verner Klemperer, I think you say his name.

He died in 2000. He did play Colonel Clay. They got the real dude, and we'll talk about Hogan's Heroes now. Who wants to start? Because I don't have much to say. So a reference I don't really get. I mean, we've both seen Autofocus.

I mean, I've seen Autofocus, and I saw some of this on Nick at Night. But I never liked that show as a kid, Hogan's Heroes. I never liked many of those shows. It was a lame-o show. My theory about Hogan's Heroes is it was made for WW2 vets who were not allowed to talk about their problems and the horrors they saw. So shows like this were therapy for them. They have to laugh through their pain. While you're sitting in a puddle of your own scotch.

So the interesting thing about Werner Klemperer is, one, he is the son of one of the most famous composers of his generation, Otto Klemperer. Really? Who was a famous German composer of Jewish descent. So you could bet in 1935, with his fame and fortune, he got the fuck out of Germany and moved to America. That was Werner. Grew up in LA or in California.

He got interested in acting. It appeared in multiple things, but but unfortunately as a man of german descent in the of people making films and tv then they're like well obviously you're gonna play an evil german they're like he was in the u.s army but in the entertainment division but he was he joined the army in world war ii he's on our side and then he's but when it's time to cast him in acting he becomes a famous nazi and he he only agreed to it apparently he said that he would do it but only if clink was always wrong and a buffoon he can never be good at his job or a good nazi so well that's the thought i would the thing i found more shocking is that outside of maybe the

recent dragnet parody yeah they haven't brought on an actor to play their old role like yeah babe in the simpsons universe like they had that has not happened yet and the idea that like also on hogan's heroes you're supposed to like hogan or one of the americans homer's favorite is about hom Homer's favorite character being Clink is just weird. I never thought of that. And then he sent letters to him. Name three Hogan's Heroes characters. I can name Clink and Hogan just on a guess. Schultz. Oh, yeah.

Schultz from the Germans episode. So I have a clip of Werner Klemperer back in the day, but not from Hogan's Heroes, but from a less seen appearance. These short back climbs are harder than the longer ones. It takes a while to unlimber your muscles, Robin. It's all good training. Colonel, what are you doing here in Gotham City? I am looking for an underground agent.

One of ours or one of yours? And why the exposition hall at the Coliseum? Who knows? You never know where you might find one. Be careful not to get picked up. Chief O'Hara can be very tough with aliens incognito. Incognito? With my monocle? Well, say hello to Colonel Hogan for us. It's a wonder he hasn't tried to borrow your bat robe to pull another one of his escapes.

Batman should have arrested that Nazi. This is so good. I'm so happy right now. Can we please boot up the Hogan's Heroes theme song? I have one thing to say about it. It does sound a lot like The Great Escape. So that was from Batman 66. It was something you barely ever see in the syndicated version.

They would just advertise other shows on abc by having them appear in the walking up buildings like a commercial it was the monsters did it too it was like basically maybe it was the adams family yeah so here's the hogan's heroes theme it sounds a lot like the great escape theme so uh my crappy high school marching band knew three songs. One was the alma mater. One was our fight song. And song number three was the Hogan's Heroes theme song. So you would hear all of those songs every halftime.

I went to a lot of high school football games because it was Ohio. Wow. So just. And he's second hill. This is amazing because this is another one of those situations where, like, this is not my nostalgia. This is me learning about the previous generation's nostalgia through writers like the Simpsons. That was so weird

of Homer. Explain what Hogan's Heroes is. Actually, I have a great clip for that, too. This is my favorite explainer of what Hogan's Heroes is by one Gilbert Gottfried. By Dr. Katz. Yes.

Who was the guy who was able to sell Hogan's Heroes to a network? I mean, who was able to walk into a network one day and go, okay, here's the idea. A group of soldiers held in a Nazi prison camp. It's a comedy. That's interesting. Tell me more. Okay, you see these soldiers are imprisoned by the Nazis behind barbed wire. And if they try to escape, they'll be shot.

I love it. It's a laugh riot. escape they'll be shot i love it i'll laugh right uh yeah that is hogan's heroes a situation comedy set in a german pow it is a show homer would love like sheriff lobo yeah exactly and it was the comedy was of hogan and the other guys always getting one over on the nazis and that they actually had as homer said secret tunnels everywhere all these things like they weren't even really the captives they were there to send intel around but it's still in the film autofocus which is really just about bob crane's being a sex pervert uh with willem dafoe hogan's Heroes is about 30 minutes of the film,

and one of my favorite bits in it is when he's, like, he did, Bob Crane in the film, at least, did not want to do Hogan's Heroes. They were all just like, this can't be popular, it's about Nazis. He's being interviewed by a reporter played by Ed Beckley Jr.,

who then just, like, asks two questions as to, like, I'm Jewish, fuck you. Like, I'm out of here. I don't think you can do that now i don't know how how could batman even just be like well i guess you're a nazi you might want to go if you google colonel clink the first two videos that come up are batman and the simpsons before hogan's heroes anything but it's just him playing colonel clink that's so weird every episode of hogan's heroes i think is just on youtube nobody cares to keep it

it's not remembered fondly by anyone no i feel like only maybe f troop is more of a like look at this anymore oh yeah with all the jewish men playing indians native americans but he's he's but clink is there to be homer's clarence the angel and show him what life would be like if he wasn't married to Marge. And this is a wonderful encapsulation of it all. He whisks them in the air over to a mansion where Homer lives with Mindy. I'm so happy, darling. I as well.

Are you happy, Jeeves? Yes, sir. And Marge is president, too. Marge is president. And I feel like they missed a joke. There could have been a Marge is president joke, but they just show you the exterior shot that's like there was a different joke yeah it feels like something was cut out they just had to redo it same with ziggy's gotten too preachy too the mouth movements is off enough i was like that's a replacement but

a good replacement well a really funny one that doesn't leave me asking what was the old joke like but that that homer i like how in when homer's rich he has kind of like his eye up a little like he's smiling with his over his eyes like then we're all happy henry it's good to you though so he failed and he just sends him back and we get a nice moment of lionel huts just like hey get out of my office. A nice light dusting of Phil Hartman. And then we're back to nerd town. Finally, Bart's one of us.

Excelsior! I didn't get the Excelsior reference until much later. We're doing a podcast with Henry for 200 episodes. So yes, in case you weren't aware, I had a previous podcast I used to do that was a weekly comic book podcast called Cape Crisis. Still should have been called Hulk Dick.

I maintain that. And I would close each Cape Crisis by saying Excelsior, which was really just supposed to be a reference to Stan Lee. It's how Stan Lee would end his Stan Soapbox weekly thingy-do. Excelsior. That was a reference to the packing material no but but then when i saw this again i was like it's a perfect thing for a nerd club to say which is what a comic book podcast is it is a nerd club and so it's short-lived barely remembered stanley television i wish they had done more with the because those scenes are amazing club like they they just kind of drop it after that but it's it's a great little

joke the only thing i'd change now is the guy who gets prune juice that should just be database it is the database well i was shocked the database wasn't there well we don't meet him for another year so he's he's season six in bart's comment why why is prune why prune juice i mean i know it's kind of gross and weird but like i don't get it i mean that feels like it is a it is an old dork joke same of like pocket protectors yeah it just hadn't been updated it's a stock like ancient nerd yeah actually that joke was so prevalent i don't know what prune juice tastes like it would have just been mountain dew like nerds would like that's a joke but that's also what cool kids drink so they went to Mountain Dew and Little Caesars but I like that there was a mix of kids who could do who were doing extra credit projects but then also kids like no I'm just building the Star Trek

building Starship Enterprise like I'm not cool either remember being that accurate in Enterprise being on The Simpsons yeah if you're a real dork that's an animation so you gotta track down uh and though now that bit is a little less funny because it's like, oh, this is a club of boys, the kind of place where a lot of angry feelings come together. So you're saying this is like, this is crawlspace fortune.

There has to be at least one guy in there who's just like, I mean, look, women just are different from men. They're holding us down. Yeah. I've gone valsal. Homer writes a giant speech on his hand. Do we have that?

No. Well, first he sings about Mindy. Mindy, okay. Oh, Mindy, you came and you gave without flaking. But I sent you Bengay, oh, Andy. You kissed me and stopped me from something. And I, uh-oh. Dad, why are you singing?

Tell a lie, tell a lie. Because I have a small role in a Broadway musical. It's not much, but it's a start. Bravo. That's my favorite thing ever. His brain slow clapping. Even though presumably his brain came up with it. I don't know.

But that isn't even, like, that's kind of a smart-ish, like, it's a clever, dumb thing of Homer's. It's a witty rejoinder, but it's not an answer. And I like, I don't know how to feel like Lisa is frowning when she's like, or a man named Andy. Like, is she grossed out by that or just skeptical or what like i think she's just skeptical like no dad you're not in love with a man named andy right so i think that's just her though that was a reference to the barry manilow song mandy which i have a little clip of I never realized how happy you made me, oh man. Well, you came and you gave where I'm begging.

But I sent you away, oh man. Well, you kissed me and stopped me from shaking. This song is terrible. It is. So those are the real lyrics. I feel like in the 90s, everyone was getting over their shame of having like Barry Manilow in the 70s and 80s. He was a constant target of jokes in the 90s. That song is awful.

I've never really heard it before. Now, if you've never heard it before, those are the real lyrics that Homer is mixing up there. I did have one dumb note that I thought was really weird. But just, you know, I saw after we talked to Bill Oakley and Josh Weinstein, Bill Oakley, they're fans of the show and in this episode for the first time ever Marge walks through a doorway and her hair gets caught and it's got

it's own foley work are you sure it hasn't been like that before like it's so it's well within frame and it's I don't know why season 5 episode 9 this is when you make that joke. Interesting.

It is right when she walks in the room to tell Barty he's done with his glasses, dermatologist gel. He throws off his shoes and that's when they pray for giant shoes. Does anyone pray for giant shoes? Though, I thought, not unlike how Ned knows that Homer is infatuated with another woman, Lisa knows too, but nothing comes of that either. I guess she could just assume I don't know, Lisa's not stupid.

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the time come on henry that was a comment we got i'm just kidding it felt like that lenny it also just felt like a joke they would have made like lenny is secretly gay yeah that it just felt like where they're going well meanwhile the man with the giant hand i love that joke he had appeared one other time that i can recall after really after okay uh homer wants to throw the donut in the reactor to make it bigger and then the guy says yeah it did the same thing with my hand and normal hand is up like oh i met the other one and then he falls over is that a much later episode it's like season nine or ten it's where homer homer breaks the plant by throwing the donut in the thing and then when they find it they fire homer and it's definitely

a scully season one but i can't remember exactly oh might be the no he becomes a truck driver because he kills that guy yeah in the steak eating contest but uh i'm sweating like roger ebert made me sad because i was like oh he's been dead for four years i miss him so much miss roger ebert it was just a fat joke roger ebert like i miss when you could just make fat jokes at him instead of instead of just like no he went through horrible cancer for about four five six years yeah i i don't know if you watch the his movie live itself uh it's amazing it will destroy you yeah it's one of the best i mean it's great but it's it will kill you i don't know i love that man my movie the most interesting thing to me on that was the connection found between Gene Siskel's wife and Roger Ebert's wife are both like, oh, now we've both lost husbands to cancer. We were both connected like that.

And yeah, it's life itself. It will kill you. But the so then Homer's friendship with her then makes them get sent together. In a wonderfully contrived moment. It's all so contrived for the next, like, four minutes. Yeah, it's so good. It's great how contrived it is, though. It's one of the many things of Burns seeing something on a monitor and completely misreading it. We'll see that in the next episode, which is why I got these episodes confused in terms of how Burns is used.

And it's also why Homer became a comedian. Exactly. There's so many many times this season of just like who is that man yeah burns looks at a monitor and like i have an idea it makes like an irrational choice if you ever hung out with a terrible executive it's not it's actually i'm paying attention to this right now this after they have all that matters after they have their money fight they then look and make a quick snap judgment simpson simmons you two have been chosen to represent us at the National Energy Convention.

Congratulations. You'll be spending two nights together in glamorous Capital City. Wow. Capital City. The windy apple. Come on. I'll get you the tickets. Oh, this is the worst crisis my marriage has ever faced.

Colonel Clank, why have you forsaken me? What is it? Do you have a question did you know kinch had a radio in the coffee pot he did i like that now colonel clink is invested in hogan's heroes i love this he has stopped pretending to not be his guardian angel anymore and just like i am colonel clink and that it's just further contrivances to get minnie and homer together i wonder why they didn't do this was the time i realized that simmons and simpsons are one letter apart but they don't do any well is she related to b simmons from the grandpa in love episode she should be her granddaughter yeah i i that's gonna be my head canon uh and then we get to my favorite line in the entire show oh god that's going to be my headcanon. And then we get to my favorite line in the entire show.

Oh, God. That's the joke. The bellboy in the suite. I hate this guy. TV's there. Bathroom's there. And there's your king size bed for. Stop that.

I love my wife and family. All I'm going to use this bed for is sleeping, eating, and maybe building a little fort. Stop that. Stop that. His stop that is my favorite part. It's great. And I really feel like the writers are making fun of Conan. This vamping he's doing is very Conan-like. You are so right.

And I feel like they're just taking a shot at Conan after he leaves the show. I think you're right. I really read this as Conan, like, not shutting up. That was a lot of PG sex noises. Whenever I've gone to a hotel on, like, a business trip, I

know at least once I thought free mouse wash. But not every place has a shower curtain. Actually, most places I go to now are just like a sliding door. Yeah. No shower curtain you can just steal. And then them using room service is one of my all-time favorite Simpsons gags of chess. Continue the research. That could work any time.

It is not tied to this episode at all, but just the idea of Burns makes the flying monkeys from Wizard of Oz. They can't fly, and they just all die. Like, they just all just smash on the ground. This is one of the things I'm pretty sure was cut out for syndication for me. Yeah, I didn't have that vivid a memory of this at all. And it's a Wizard of Oz reference I would have gotten from the moment I saw it. It's an easy scene to cut because it affects nothing. Yeah, it doesn't do anything.

Even though it's an easy scene to cut because it affects nothing yeah it doesn't do anything yeah even though it's hilarious and also flying monkeys that's the only kind of references that captain america gets in the avengers i understood that reference i understood that one and i do like how one of the turkeys fell behind the bed they're eating like a buffet on their bed together there's no way she can't gain weight for that homer's shirt explodes and badness at this point do they have the lady in the tramp chili dog kiss okay amazing and then his that was a great moment too of like the callback of the shirt yeah he's wearing the shirt as an undershirt and then the it is just julie cavner's but coming out of that machine it's an omen omen. So then they're at the energy thing. I love that Homer is just so ready to just throw that brick at a guy.

The guy goes, ouch. And when did Hans Wollman know how to run solar power? That's his job. Fossil fuels uses and nobody gets hurt. He's 31 years old, Henry. He's a young businessman. Fossil fuels has only gotten meaner since 1993. I never noticed that Mindy and Homer were sitting at a table with Burns' book, Will There Ever Be a Rainbow?

And Smiling Joe Fishen is in a picture with Burns behind them. So that's all animators. I just like to attribute that to when talking to Oakley. He was already a fan of the show. Yeah, that's true. Probably wanted to reference something. I could tell they put that in there. But just a great idea that at the nuclear power plant when they're showing it off at the energy convention,

of course Burns would be like, no, you have that picture of me with Smile and Joe Fission, and then you try to sell my book there. Will there ever be a rainbow still being there? And here's an animation mistake. Sorry, I keep interrupting you, Bob. I'm sorry. But here's an animation mistake i just noticed this time when the spotlight gets on them they were they get shadowed but homer and mindy have the shadow on them the entire shot okay so they they are animated as if they are being

spotlit the entire time they're behind the desk i hope some korean was fired for that who directed this well so they get crowned queen and king of energy. Which makes no sense. Yes, and they go do dinner at Madam Chow's. And they have to. The sexiest Chinese restaurant in the capital city. The joke Madam Chow is Chow's food, right? Yeah. Oh, wow. It's not a great joke.

I never got that. What's funny is Mindy's saying, I'm so glad they made those cheeseburgers. Or they could make us cheeseburgers. They didn't eat chinese food there yeah the chinese food restaurant i worked at in the south also made cheeseburgers and the hot wings well yeah i think the wings are there for the people that go and don't eat chinese food well when i was a little kid when i was when i was the age of this show like i'd never been to a chinese restaurant before like the idea of chinese food just sounded like space food or like what even is this? It's so crazy.

Yeah, no one else delivers cheeseburgers and wings. I'll fucking do it. Pretty smart. My town was so shitty and I was so sheltered. I did not eat Chinese food until I was 17 years old. Damn. That might have been when I did it, too. But then when I discovered, like, Chinese buffets were my favorite.

Like, they replaced down-home country time buffets for me. It's just like, I love country time buffets like Golden Corral, which are awful. They're just like slop buckets. Yeah, Foxworthy told me they was a daggum awesome. But at China buffets,

you would still get the same slop, but it was like, oh, but rice. That means it's healthy. And I can pour sweet and sour sauce over these fried... Also healthy. Healthy General Tso's chicken.

Exactly. I love Chinese buffets. After the dinner, I think Homer and Mindy are kind of resigned to have sex with each other. I guess we have to. Everything is pointing in this direction. It's a really fun moment. The cookie told them to. Yeah.

When I like the way Mindy looks at him over the drink, she's just oh i guess we are gonna have to have sex it just it's an you i feel like you know especially in the lurline episodes you didn't get that kind of introspective moment with with the uh the object of his affection it's just it you get to at least see what mindy is thinking about and feeling in that scene it's nice and so she doesn't want to do it either well she does but she's also she knows it's not right she doesn't want to break up a marriage or sleep with a sleep with a married man well you guess you'll want to come in okay okay this was a really nice night homer yeah yeah What's wrong? Oh yeah, like you don't know We're gonna have sex

Oh, well We don't have to Yes we do The cookie told me so Well, desserts aren't always right But they're so sweet Homer You don't have to do anything you don't want to.

Well, maybe I want to. But then I think about Marge and the kids. Well, not the boy. He drives me nuts. Sometimes I just like to... Homer, you know how I feel. So it's up to you. I really like,

it just felt like, it's really good. It's very sweet. Yeah. It just, it felt like a really quiet, serious moment in a Norman Lear sitcom. It does feel like the James Earl Brooks rubbing off on them a bit.

And I think that's what Merkin was going to too. He did want this to be a realer episode about Homer, Homer contemplating, you know, cheating on her. Like, contemplating an affair. I think they both come out looking pretty good. They're both aware of what's happening.

They both want to do this, but they know they shouldn't. And they don't look like... They don't look like monsters. Yeah, and I think it's... Maybe this is a tiny smidgen of cheating, but I like that they have a nice kiss at the end. Let's just... I don't know how to classify this or anything, but I like that they have a nice kiss at the end. Let's just, I don't know how to classify this or anything, but I feel like it's a

great way to end that. Yeah, at least or begin something if they were going to. Once you seal it with just a peck on the lips, you're legally obligated to use that in your fantasies forever. Forever. That's going right in the spank bank. Were you fooled at all? On first viewing, did you

think it wasn't Marge and that was Mindy and the negligee? After that, we see Homer contemplating something and figuring out what needs to be done. And they're in the same hotel room. In the same hotel room and it's someone from the neck down and a negligee. Yeah, though the body shape is definitely Marge's, not Mindy's, which is slightly different. The first time they made Marge less sexy than any woman on the sense of it. I know. Here's our buddy Barry White from Wacking Day. This is slightly different. The first time they made Marge less sexy than any woman on the sense of it. I know. Here's our buddy Barry White

from Wacking Day. This is so cool. Oh Margie, you came and you found me a turkey on my vacation away from worky. That guy should get out of that room. But that is very right. The eye acting is so good.

The eye acting is great. Right before that, they played Can't Get Enough of Your Love, which was, I think, probably the exact same track that he recorded for them in Snakes. I'm pretty sure it was the Wacking Day track. Yeah. But the eye acting, Carl Spezzo was the director. Oh, you're right. We should mention him, definitely.

And Frank Mula, the writer. But the eye acting on, you could tell the guy was moving his eyes the way he was when he did that acting. Like, hubba hubba. You could tell where the head was. Yeah, it was really good. Good use of just single eyes. And I feel a little bad that Marge was done the wiser but i guess homer has nothing to admit to is this the one that um homer tells marge about in the clip show so i did

want to go to that too so in in less than a year we will be at another simpsons clip show the worst clip show they ever did so even acknowledge it in the show itself yeah within the show they hate this episode they're like don't even watch this and it's where they all remember their different love stories bart lisa marge and homer all tell different stories of their love life which really just lets you do clips from multiple episodes that all had to do with love though it's a very weird idea of like well as long as we're talking about love i marge will now tell the story of when i almost had sex with my bowling teacher and now and then homer's like well as long as we're talking about love i'll tell a story about the time i slept with someone else the best time to tell

you is in front of these children yeah i mean i forgot because i watched an episode when i got the dvds once and i never watched it again no way. And I would avoid it in syndication too, which is bad. We'll watch it for that. We're going to do it. But so Homer does say, Marge says, what happened to this Mindy? And Homer says she hit the bottle pretty bad and lost her job. Now that's not what happens though because she does appear in Mountain of Madness at the employee retreat. Mindy is there.

Oh, wow. And actually, Zutroy is mentioned too but just mentioned you don't see him on screen but if you remember when smithers is pairing up people he says someone and zootroy oh and there was totally an oakley weinstein like giving a crap about their history i like that because i don't want i feel like it's the show punishing mindy for wanting to sleep with homer just like they sort of punished lurleen you. You know, I spent last night in a ditch. Yeah, a little too mean. It's not very fair to Mindy. But yeah, so Mindy did keep a job.

That whole episode, the clip show episode, is non-canonical. It did not happen. You don't respect it. I think I put Lurleen above Mindy as hottest. You did, I think then, yes. I'm taking it back. I'm taking it back. So Mindy is now the hottest design Simpsons woman

Springfield Bongo jeans do it for me Every time Bob, where do you sit? I think it's the woman whose Clothes were torn by a cyclops But Lurleen's up there for me, for sure So we're all disgusting Thanks for listening to Talkie Simpsons

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not what you think it sucks so thank you so much for listening we'll be back next week with springfield with a dollar sign. I see a memory I never realized How happy you made me, oh Mandy Well, you came and you gave without taking But I sent you away, oh Mandy Well, you kissed me and stopped me from shaking And I need you today, oh Mandy. I'm standing on the edge of time.

I walked away when love was mine Caught up in a world of uphill climbing The tears are in my mind and nothing is rhyming Oh Mandy, well you came and you came without taking But I sent you away Oh Mandy Will you kiss me And stop me from shaking And I need you today Oh Mandy

Oh Mandy Yesterday's a dream I face the morning Crying on a breeze The pain is calling Oh Mandy Well you came and you gave Without taking But I sent you away Oh Mandy Will you kiss me and stop me Thank you. But I sent you away, oh, Mandy You kissed me and stopped me from shaking

And I need you Bye.