Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - The Lastest Gun in the West With Alexander Edward

Episode Date: October 12, 2022

That's right, we've for THE Alexander Edward from the great podcast Minion Death Cult for this ep all about old west movie stars! We chat about teamsters in Simpsons, Bart's troubles with a dog, lots ...of old references to cowboy movies, and a whole lot of chat about Yellowstone for some reason. So lasso up some snacks for this week's podcast! Support this podcast and get dozens of bonus episodes by visiting Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons and becoming a patron! Check out our new shirts on TeePublic! And please follow the new official Twitter, @TalkSimpsonsPod!

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This podcast is brought to you by patreon.com slash talking Simpsons. Head there to check out exclusive podcasts like Talking Futurama, Talking of the Hill, the What a Cartoon Movie podcast, and tons more. I heartily endorse this event or product. Ahoy, hoy, everybody, and welcome to Talking Simpsons, coming to you live from the corner of Zaney Avenue and Martin Luther King Boulevard. I'm your host, the Cal Gentleman, Bob Mackie, and this is our chronological exploration of The Simpsons. Who is here with me today as always?
Starting point is 00:00:45 It's Henry Gilbert and I won't be doing a monologue because my feet hurt. And who do we have on the line? Who is our special guest today? I'm Alexander Edward and I guess I just naturally assumed this episode was some of my business. And this week's episode is The Lastest Gun in the West. Hurry up, Barbara. You'll be late to be killed by the dog. What? I said you'll be late for school. This week's episode originally aired on February 24th, 2002.
Starting point is 00:01:11 And as always, Henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real world history. Oh, my God. Oh, boy, Bobby. Canada beats U.S. for the gold in the Winter Olympics hockey. Queen of the Dam debuts at number one at the box office. And Alicia Keys and U2 win big at the 44th Grammys. I mean, it was never even a contest when it comes to hockey. Let's just say that.
Starting point is 00:01:38 You see, a couple episodes ago, we talked about the Simpsons go to Canada. And it ends with a joke about, like, Canadian Olympic basketball team. They suck. And it was all just cover because we feel inferiority on the hockey side of things. Canada beat us. The U.S. has won their share of golds there, but Canada won it big at the Salt Lake City Winter Olympics of 2002. So I take it they didn't make a movie about this year.
Starting point is 00:02:03 You know, at least not in america if there's been one that aired on the cbc maybe but not not on this side of the the border suddenly nobody wants even oh miracle didn't occur i guess it's not worth making a movie about no it was it was a lesser miracle but we also have queen of the damned the long-awaited follow-up to interview with the vampire yep yeah and the posthumous uh film appearance of alia isn't that right right yes these are all facts i know about it yes and the vampire lestat is a rock star it's like what if lestat became uh eddie vetter basically in the 90s that's how he became famous and and yes but it's it's mainly remember because the the egyptian queen of the damned in it is uh was played by alia who was making her big you know
Starting point is 00:02:50 transition into film uh and movie star uh at the time before her untimely death from a plane crash and uh yeah she was released posthumously i believe also that her younger brother could do a voice like hers. So there's some ADR lines in it that are done by him, I believe. Okay. These are my light memories of the ads for Queen of the Damned at the time. I didn't see it, even though I had friends who were big Lestat fans and fans of the Anne Rice-averse. But I was not unfortunately or fortunately what am i saying unfortunately i wasn't i didn't have a good enough taste to like the an rice novel
Starting point is 00:03:32 that something from the vampire's point of view uh the first movie is is fun i just re-watched it a few months ago it's it's very cheesy and fun with good performances oh yeah yeah i was just gonna say i don't think i realized that queen of the damned was the direct sequel to interview with the vampire what a what an insane thing to have be a sequel i mean i i know interview with the vampire wasn't high art or anything but it's generally considered to be a pretty good quality movie am i am i right yeah yeah yeah so i mean uh not to go too far into this but queen of the damned the book was. And that's why the premise is Lestat is a rock star. In 2002, there are no rock stars outside of the ones who survived, right? Right, yes.
Starting point is 00:04:12 Yeah, the 90s rock stars, like you too, are the rock stars. The one big at the Grammys, yes. I think I got that movie confused with Constantine because for some reason I misremembered Gavin Rossdale being in Queen of the Damned but I think I'm I'm just thinking of Lestat that's kind of like that was the one-to-one comparison I made with Lestat as opposed to like Eddie Vedder I've been doing a re-watch of like my favorite bad movies from the mid to late 90s and yeah that's it's such a good new metal era of movies and Queen of the damned isn't one that i've revisited yet but uh i have gone back and i do i do own uh jet lee's the one which is just
Starting point is 00:04:52 a masterpiece of new metal cinema i mean they take the uh the down with the sickness that song and they chop it up so that you never hear like an actual word you only hear the non-verbal utterances from uh david draymond i believe is the singer of disturbed oh my god and they just repeat it over and over while jet lee is like hitting cops with their own motorcycles oh man you know i wish the one is one of the few Jet Li American films I've not seen. And I even watched his, well, it's called Danny the Dog. That's the better name for it. The one with Bob Hoskins who bosses him around.
Starting point is 00:05:34 It was called Unleashed here or something, I think. Much better as Danny the Dog, I think. That's news to me. That's a creation of the very unproblematic Lupuson. All right. That makes so much sense. that's a creation of the very unproblematic Lupus on. All right. That guy. That makes so much sense.
Starting point is 00:05:49 And the Grammys, you two one, you said, and Alicia Keys. Okay. I resent that people expect me to know about you too. I feel like the idea is that like, everybody loves you too. You know,
Starting point is 00:05:56 all their songs and all their albums. I don't know anything about them outside of like weird. Al did a version of one of their songs. Wait, didn't, didn't your wife do a very funny comic strip about explaining you2 songs to you and saying how every song title sounds like? Just sounds made up. And she's like, no, it goes like this.
Starting point is 00:06:12 Beautiful day. La, la, la. It's like every song title is actually lyrics in the song that are said a lot. Yes. But yeah, I'm not a U2 fan. And it was a weird Grammy. Like best album was Oh Brother Where Art Thou soundtrack. Oh, man, everybody.
Starting point is 00:06:27 I listen to that one all the time. All of these, like, oldie time spirituals and stuff on it. Were you like my friend who listened to I Am a Man of Constant Sorrow? You're like, that's me. No, no. I had a friend who was like that. Oh, wow. No, no.
Starting point is 00:06:41 The song I played the most on that was probably the uh you are my sunshine sung by the little girls in the movie that was the cutest one but 2002 that's like the era of like iron and wine and bright eyes and stuff so that like hit at exactly the right time you know not quite the same genre but it's definitely like hobo hipster clap stomp adjacent music yeah oh i mean it's it's rolling out the red carpet for twee there, but through the past version of it, yeah. I mean, well, Postal Service is just a couple years away
Starting point is 00:07:12 at this time, yeah. And I think in a year or so, it's the Garage Rock Revolution with, like, Franz Ferdinand and those bands that all sound like them. The Hives? Yeah, yeah, those guys. The Strokes was, I think, 2001, who really kicked it. I mean, they're like, I still like that album a lot.
Starting point is 00:07:30 Oh, me too. Yeah, I think some of those copycats are pretty good, and some of them aren't, and I don't remember which. I always remember it's 2001, because in fall of 2001, because there was a song in it called New York City Cops. They took out of it for the U.S. release. because the song is new york city cops they're not too smart which obviously you can't have a song like that after 9-11 they're heroes yeah come on now i'll tell you what made me feel old was when in that time of february 2020 where everything felt possible and everything was gonna be great at Bernie Sanders rallies uh during the primary the Strokes played at a couple of them and I was like yeah
Starting point is 00:08:10 hip and cool the Strokes and then I was like no wait a minute I'm just like the guy in the 90s who said like yeah Bruce Springsteen at the at the Howard Dean thing this is great if you had a kid you would say no this is the strokes honey yes they're very good your daddy liked them see in washington we had the uh the actual cool modern uh version of the strokes which was portugal the man who also was like big you know 10 years ago that may as well be brand new music to me because here i'm talking about the strokes like yeah the strokes brand new brand new group from 21 years ago. The kids love them. Yeah, I just read their review in Rolling Stone.
Starting point is 00:08:48 Rolling what? Joining us today, though, is Alex from the Minion Death Cult podcast. Welcome to the show, Alex. We were on your show a while back talking about a libertarian cartoon. It was very fun. Yeah, that's right. Thanks so much for having me. I am a fan of the show.
Starting point is 00:09:02 Me and my girlfriend usually listen to it while we're cooking dinner together. You know, you've had a lot of our friends on the show, like Murder Brian and a couple of the We Hate Movies guys. So always, always a fun, always fun to listen to you guys. And yeah, you were on the Talking Tuttle Twins episode of Minion Death Cult where we talked about the libertarian kids alternative to the magic school bus oh that was so much fun i i had never heard of it uh until until you brought it into my life alex so thank you for that yeah that was that was so much fun for uh thank you for inviting us on it's so so nice and yeah and actually i was gonna talk about it because i i believe it's still your pin tweet but you're wearing the shirt right now at the time of this recording.
Starting point is 00:09:45 Yeah, one of the finest things we've ever done with Minion Death Cult is make a Simpsons bootleg, a Bart bootleg shirt, which we did last year. And some people frown on the idea of Bart holding a gun. I say it, Matt, it just depends on who he's pointing it at. It's a rip from the Gulf War, Operation Desert Storm era of Simpsons rip. So it's a rip of a rip, but instead of threatening Saddam Hussein with a racial slur, we have Bart threatening Jeff Bezos. Oh, that's great.
Starting point is 00:10:19 Good stuff. I want reprints of those Iraq War shirts. I want the one that says bart that has bart saying i was there and it sucked that's my favorite one for operation desert storm i think yeah the him strangling saddam is a good one too of the ones i i remember yeah i mean bob you you know them very well because you pull together an entire like montage of them and uh one of our lives they're all very patriotic yes and some of them problematic uh but uh but yeah alex i i'm assuming you know you you grew up loving the simpsons uh yeah so i
Starting point is 00:10:52 have a i have like a long history with the simpsons because i wasn't allowed to watch it at my one of those kids yeah and it's funny because like i found out a little bit later that the reason my dad wouldn't let me watch it was because he thought Homer was the bad role model. And I was not even Bart, but Homer. And I was like, you're just you're giving me zero credit if you think I don't understand that Homer is like at best a cautionary example, counter example. Right. So I had to watch it, watch it in secret. Basically, I watched, you know, what's it, it's not called syndication when they play reruns on Fox. Yeah, that's it.
Starting point is 00:11:32 That's right. Yeah. So I watched, you know, it was 630 and 730. I mean, it changed around, you know, over the, over the years, but it was about 630 and 730. Yeah. Every day I would watch it. I eventually did. Yeah. Buy the DVDs when they started releasing the DVDs and I would watch it I eventually did yeah buy the dvds when they started releasing the dvds and I would just fall asleep to the Simpsons pretty much every night and then the next night or whenever I finished a single disc I would just replay it with all the commentaries and then fall asleep to that so that was like my first experience with a you know a podcast like experience uh was listening to the commentaries yeah yeah our language here, Alex. Yeah, it was fascinating hearing it,
Starting point is 00:12:07 because I've always been really interested in comedy and writing and art, and it was just really fascinating to hear these guys joke around with each other, but also kind of explain the process a little bit. So I love The Simpsons. For health class, I managed to weasel my way into bringing in a taped version of King Size Homer. I brought as like as a health project. I was like, oh, well, this this one's about obesity. So that's that's going to be my project.
Starting point is 00:12:34 Yeah. And we we've got to watch that in class. I've like amazing noticed over the years, like certain things that have been influenced by The Simpsons that I didn't realize it. Like when I'm stalling for time on the show, I will, you know, deftly go, uh, do, do, do like kill dead air. And it was only like five years ago that I realized I'm doing that because that's what Bart does when he's explaining how church should be fun and have Tybo in it.
Starting point is 00:13:03 And he's going to do, do, do, do do do do do do and he's like doing air kicks wow oh yeah i mean uh it's the same with henry like when i'm whenever i'm with my wife it's like any kind of stimulus that passes in front of my eyes i will find a way to reference the simpsons thing i saw once and she did not get annoyed ever that's why we're together because she does as much as me it's beautiful yeah no when we first, or when I first met Nina, one of the first things she did was out-reference us. Like she gifted us smoked Vancouver salmon. We didn't realize at first, we missed that that was a reference to the Laddie episode.
Starting point is 00:13:38 Yeah. Wow. I felt such shame. I had a girlfriend as for like a birthday present. Give me pig bride and groom cufflinks. Oh, that's sweet. I think she found them on Etsy or something. So I still have those.
Starting point is 00:13:59 And I mean, you know, must have informed your politics just a little bit, I would guess, too. Yeah. So I was raised pretty left. I come from a union family. Like I'm union. I'm a teamster. I've been a teamster for 16 years. And so I think that also ties in with my love of the Simpsons. Like every time I hear them make fun of teamsters, I'm just like, yep, that's right. Like I will I will outstretch and out relax anybody, you know, anybody here under the out relax you under the table. And so, yeah yeah like it wasn't maybe
Starting point is 00:14:26 revelatory to see like you know a strike out front of the nuclear power plant but i i liked it a lot obviously and i think just their general disdain for authority figures and organized religion i really appreciated that it's what all the teachers and parents were worried about but uh and yeah it's always interesting to hear from Mike because me and Bob were the opposite in that our parents let us watch it. And watched it with us. But yeah, it's so interesting to hear that that's what the syndicated versions were for the opposite people who they're like, oh, well, the parents aren't home yet. I can watch this in the daytime or in the afternoon or evening hours. I like that. Yeah, it's funny. My dad was like, because my dad's, you know, union and but he also like went
Starting point is 00:15:11 to college. So I think he has like in a bit of like an elitist streak in him, like, you know, some liberals do. And he's a great guy. I love him. But I think he would like looked down on Homer. I think, you know, the writers, I don't know if we'll get get into it on this episode but i think there is some like strains of elitism in the writing team obviously with all of them being from harvard like do you do you guys remember that viral thread about somebody finding out that john schwartzwelder is the one who wrote the hank the homer's enemy hank grimes episode the viral thread that one i don't i don't remember the viral i don't think i don't think i've seen it it was a tweet maybe not not a thread but somebody was like like it makes so much sense or i can't believe that the guy who wrote homer's enemy is a libertarian because yes frank grimes is
Starting point is 00:15:56 like basically calling homer out for being lazy and for having zero work ethic and for having everything handed to him and so people were like i't know, judging it like harshly in that respect and like judging John Schwarzwelder harshly in that respect. And it's like, I get it. And John Schwarzwelder is like the real Ron Swanson, of course. I'm sure you guys have talked about that plenty, but the whole show is kind of mean to like working people. It is kind of like, I mean, maybe not, maybe mean is the wrong mean to like working people you know it is kind of like
Starting point is 00:16:25 i mean maybe not maybe mean is the wrong word but it's like it's pretty cynical which is is fine you know it's it's fine to make fun of everybody and everything but like i don't think that that classism stopped at john schwartzwelder no no i mean i think it punches up but also down just as often just like it's the it's the very 90s everyone's a target kind of thing that they never really dropped yeah but there is elitism in uh harvard graduates and well with in with swartzwalder definitely the feel you got that like he was the pet weirdo of a bunch of harvard graduates like he's they also i mean they kept him around because he is a very funny writer who writes funny things. Yeah. Like, that's also why you keep him.
Starting point is 00:17:15 But certainly the way they tell stories about him, including on this commentary, like part of the fun of all of the Simpsons commentaries is hearing them tell wild stories about Schwarzwalder. And he was like the, also the right wing libertarian in the room of like saying, oh, they're going to have, they're going to string up Bill Clinton in a noose, he would say in the room of like saying oh they're gonna have what they're gonna string up uh clinton bill clinton in a in a noose he would say in the writer's room like that was we we heard it from mike scully himself that during the uh that that was his prediction during the impeachment of of bill clinton and he's on twitter now it's really him it really is him i couldn't believe it mostly they're just to sell his books which are very funny yeah they are very funny but but yeah like uh on the homer's enemy episode we certainly talked about how that comes through in it as like grimy says to homer you're what's wrong with america you take and you take like it's but i think too the way they have it both ways in that it's like if you the episode argues that if you care that much you're dead dead. Like the world rejects you.
Starting point is 00:18:05 You shouldn't give that much of a shit. You'd be better off living like Lenny or Carl and just go like, I don't really think about it. You know, it's easier that way. It also undermines the idea of a meritocracy, which is like the right wing. You know, one of the tenets of the right wing in this country, which is that, oh, you just need to work harder and you you will achieve the american dream and frank grimes is a living and soon to be dead example of that in that episode or a counter that makes him go insane i think too i'd say our other diagnosis in that episode is that grimes is a libertarian in the way that he does not blame his boss for this like burns is also wrong in this like he punishes grimes
Starting point is 00:18:45 instead of homer even though it's homer's fault uh in multiple cases but he's only mad at homer he can't be mad at his boss because he's he's a simp for his boss the rich man yeah absolutely and i do think in this episode lastest gun in the west that a little of that comes through with swartz welder as well especially because i mean what libertarian doesn't love cowboys that fucking tuttle twin show yes it's it's all about cowboys the episode we watch yeah swartz welder loves cowboys this is them letting him have fun because he's almost done with the show like uh he'll be he'll be wrapping up uh by the beginning of uh airs broadcast season 14 i believe i think so I think so but yeah like he loves
Starting point is 00:19:25 Cowboys so much that everybody on the Simpsons got a development deal not necessarily with Fox but he did he made one pilot it's called Pistol Pete it's on YouTube you can watch it it's insane but they let John Swartzwelder make a pilot and they had to build sets and hire people and he wrote all the dialogue like there is a potential John John Schwarzwalder sitcom that never happened. And I think we need to cover Pistol Pete at some point, Henry. For sure, yeah. After their planned Teen Angel episode, that'll be the next one, I think. Maybe that's our New Year's episode.
Starting point is 00:19:59 We do that. Start the new year with Pistol Pete. Yeah, I agree. And I wish, if every crazy libertarian was as funny as john schwartzwelder the world would be a better place unfortunately they're not like he's he's a funny and and we're very lucky too that he actually gave his first actual interview to the new yorker uh in the last year yes yeah he gave us some insight into the man himself. But this episode, this is a wacky episode, but not wacky enough, I'd say. Yeah, it was hated upon its release because it is weird and kind of inexplicable.
Starting point is 00:20:34 And this kind of guest star does not feel like where the show is now. It feels like Oakley and Weinstein would have hired this old man to be on their episodes. Yeah, it's much more of a seven and eight thing. Yeah, for sure. But yeah, I mean, I was not a fan of Westerns then. on their episodes yeah it's much more of a seven and eight thing yeah for sure but uh yeah i mean i was not a fan of westerns than i am now but not necessarily the kinds of westerns that he is in oh no no no i don't i never much cared for too many old westerns even the ones by john ford or howard hawke i liked the weird ones of those or the least slightly postmodern ones like, you know, Searchers, which is which is in its own way about killing hippies, you know, in its own way.
Starting point is 00:21:11 But High Noon is pretty good. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, that that is the socialist or the more socialist. Yeah. And same one. And Rio Bravo is just a nice hanging out movie. I like that movie. But but mostly I prefer the westerns after the
Starting point is 00:21:26 spaghetti the after the leone westerns and those kinds like the the meta ones or or say insane video game ones like quick in the dead like that's awesome i love quick in the dead i grew up watching that on tv like before i even knew who sam ramey was like that one coming on tv you know got pretty regular play on various movie channels i re-watched it you know in honor of sam ramey and it's it's fantastic i mean the cast is so stacked and it's it's such a cool small story uh shot and told like very excitingly and just yeah in like crazy visuals crazy tone in that movie i love it critics hated that movie yeah because it wasn't some slow ponderous thing about the death of the west and also they saw they saw sharon stone and they were like who does she think she is this slut
Starting point is 00:22:15 take your clothes off and look i like those ones i like unforgiven that's a really good movie i i like it a whole lot but yeah i but every fucking cowboy movie for the last 30 years is about how there's no more cowboy movies or this is the last cowboy he's right like even you know uh the very good video game red dead redemption which i i really really enjoyed you know like 10 hours in i was like this is another death of the west one is everything the fucking death of the west how about just the west is just a thing that happens how about that for once well i got a movie i got a western for you it's not about like the death of the west uh it's about how there are like neanderthal caveman cavemen living in the mountains who steal your women and split your men down the middle from
Starting point is 00:22:59 the groin uh it's it's called bone tomahawk highly recommended oh i haven't seen that i think i have heard of it i have heard good stuff about that i there were some good uh neo westerns too that i saw man i'm looking up this movie now it was uh ah hell or high water have you guys seen that one seen parts of it i have pretty good it's it's really good i i didn't know the plot of it uh i but it was more like my stepdad loves westerns and by the way like the most popular tv show on tv right now is a western yellowstone uh which is a stepdad ass show yeah we covered that with chris cabin from we hate movies like a couple years it is that is an insane show and i'm gonna reference it later in this episode compliment to hell or high water that movie i just wanted to take my stepdad to a western movie but it's about how like the
Starting point is 00:23:50 banks foreclosed on this guy's house and is gonna foreclose on his ranch and they are robbing banks to then pay the bank backs to get to keep their homes like so it's about how the banks are it's also written by taylor sheridan the yellowstone guy but it is it is more up front about like fuck the banks like which i i enjoyed that aspect of it and uh stars chris pine he's good in it it's a good movie but jeff bridges is in it playing the sheriff oh yeah yeah he's the old sheriff i love him he's the old racist sheriff but uh yeah good movie a thumbs up yeah now let's talk about fake westerns yes yeah yeah this from uh what's buck mccoy i forgot his name yeah buck mccoy is the name of him here and i i mean this the genesis
Starting point is 00:24:36 of this one though was not despite it being aimed right at john swartz welder because he loves old west stuff like they say that he lives in one of roy rogers old houses this is actually the idea of the a different writer ron haugi that shocked me i forgot there that that bart would befriend a retired western star and then it was swartz welder who brought to it the very looney tunes dog chasing down bart of first act of it uh but certainly i feel like all the jokes about complaining about soft millennial kids i i also feel is very sportsmanly too and you know al jean very defensive on the commentary for this one too like he's like i said at the time uh famously disliked and people were very mad around this time anyways blaming on 9-11 i don't know what to say but they didn't like this nobody nobody was a
Starting point is 00:25:22 fan of dennis we either. Yes, yeah. I think there wasn't enough Static X in this episode. They should have, you know, if they had just cast the late lead singer of Static X as the main character instead. They were waiting for a gold member to make us laugh again. We still had months to go. The Sentence will be right back. Ew. Hmm. Trade you that teeny little Butterfinger for this big manly poodle.
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Starting point is 00:29:56 i think the only time squeaky voice teen has ever been kissed i think i think yeah on camera maybe yes yeah he's he's and the girl is much prettier than him too. Some animator wanted to draw a sexy lady. That's all there is to it. These are horny seasons. Yeah, really swinging above his weight class in this opening gag. You know what? Congratulations, squeaky voice team.
Starting point is 00:30:19 But yes, Bart is having a very lucky walk. Catches a fly ball from Duff stadium or a home run ball for duff stadium he finds a shiny new dime and directly underneath it is a shinier new dime which that's pretty funny and then he also gets a bunch of free ice cream from the yes man they they couldn't pitch a funnier flavor than like super chocolate or whatever it was i was waiting for like that's it i thought that'd be so funny. You know, apparently I looked this up. No American company I could find sells a flavor called super chocolate, but in the Philippines,
Starting point is 00:30:50 there is a, uh, ice cream company called Selecto, which does sell a super chocolate, which is extra rich. It advertises. Bart is having a good time, but then it makes a new friend in our first clip.
Starting point is 00:31:03 Aha. A free baseball. A shiny new dime. A shinier new dime. Excuse me, my refrigeration unit is broken. Could you possibly eat some free ice cream? What flavor? Why, super chocolate, of course.
Starting point is 00:31:24 Oh, yes. This day just keeps getting better and better. And here's a new four-legged friend for me. Hiya, boy. Haven't seen you around here before. Mom, a dog ate my clothes. Nice try, but we're still going to Riverdance. Boy, they're shelling out for Riverdance.
Starting point is 00:31:51 I guess it's 2002. The hype has died down. Yeah, well, Michael Flatley's left it, so he's doing his competing Lord of the Dance. Oh, why bother then? About very 2000 core there with the Riverdance joke. It really is. Important trivia here frank walker's
Starting point is 00:32:06 playing the dog this is his last appearance until he comes back in 2014 to play nibbler in the futurama crossover we've covered this in past episodes because they're trying out new walkers the first that was jess harnell they don't use his voice but he's credited then it's john cassir they might use his voice he's credited they're back to frank but then they're like frank costs too much money. Let's just have Dan bark. So Dan Barker will play a dog barking sound. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:29 Because act one is just about a dog. That's why he's here. But I think they were reluctant to do any more super animal focused things again, because they couldn't afford Frank Welker. Yeah. That's so, I,
Starting point is 00:32:41 I just assumed Maurice Lamarche did the noises for Nibbler, but they bring in Frank Welker to do the nonverbal Nibbler stuff. Frank Welker is also the voice, too. And in the in the in the Munchigan, but the gurgling sounds and stuff. Yeah, it's and Frank Welker. I mean, he's a pro. You hire it. I I can't think he's I mean, I'm sure sure he's scale but he can't be like breaking the bank but as as we've noted before fox keeps tightening the belts on the thing and i i i i we've not
Starting point is 00:33:12 had this confirmed in our research but i've always figured that when the stars of the show those voice actors got were able to secure through uh combined labor efforts to get their higher pay i feel like as revenge perhaps fox cut back of the amount of money given for every other voice actor and so that's why they're like hey we could save you know eight hundred dollars if we didn't hire frank welker to say like but though he does that so much better and you're getting your eight hundred dollars worth or whatever you think getting your eight hundred dollars worth or whatever you think it's eight hundred dollars no i mean i bet two thousand i bet i bet five thousand tops that's all you paid i think it's more i don't know he's got at that point in
Starting point is 00:33:54 history he's got like 30 plus years under his belt that's true and he's he's barking everywhere but the river dance joke is it's like what it doesn't even scan as a joke because you really expect them to go to river dance and have that be the joke but they never go to river dance it's just a river dance reference yeah you know what they should have done a the simpsons to see river dance gag and they didn't do it the dog could be like a few rows in front of them or something i don't know i'm just pitching jokes here i like i like the design of this unnamed dog like he's he's like very buff it's like a very like ripped dog who's tearing a part apart though santa's little helper doesn't have anything to do with this you figure with all this dog stuff but the dog stuff is is uh if we're talking about
Starting point is 00:34:41 that this whole like opening sequence the dog stuff is insane to me. I like it. It feels it feels like a treehouse of horror episode because I don't know if I'm if I'm jumping ahead a little too much. But, you know, the dog like tricks the whole family into thinking that he's nice and is still terrorizing Bart behind their back. He's like essentially outside the front window shaking his fist at bart like he's like an anthropomorphic dog it it really feels like you know that the treehouse of horror with the evil crusty doll or something like that with this dog that's sentient and playing tricks on the family or also the school bus one where nobody believes bart and it's it's only him
Starting point is 00:35:22 who sees it yeah i feel like they didn't change anything that he wrote for this little set piece no no i mean him biting off bart's pants and shirt in one bite like that is very that's very swartzweldery too through the mail slide yes yeah i what i i want to compliment in general bob bob anderson the director of the episode and his team as usual they are instructed to do very crazy things in the john swartz welder script directions and they do a great job with it especially uh the gun action they have to do later yeah very well done very impressive yeah but the dog stuff here is is a lot of fun but then also and how things feel very old in the next scene bart is pranking his little sister by dropping a spider a fake spider on her is this a reference
Starting point is 00:36:05 to the classic James Earl Brooks song sibling rivalry oh my god yes I put a spider on her shoulder oh god awful song it's terrible that is what a way to end that crappy album that I loved as a kid go back to her old episode it's great I enjoyed that very much Alex Navarro yes yeah that was the Simpsons sing the blues one. That was good. But, uh, but yeah, in this case, Lisa also doing the rare thing of talking to Janie, uh, which Janie doesn't get many lines. The show.
Starting point is 00:36:33 I, I was thinking that I got to think after. So it's Carl then Hibbert. I would say Janie is the third most well-known African-American character on the Simpsons. Uh, I don't know if she was recast well i'm sure she or they just never talked again she probably just never talks but i'm just at least saying for time on the show she's the the most known yeah what about the uh bully nelson's like henchmen that i think they turned into a black kid who makes an appearance twice in this episode do you guys notice him that's right his uh his uh assistants yeah his toadies yeah one of his toadies is black yeah people not always
Starting point is 00:37:12 occasionally remember them but they don't really have lines after maybe season five or something like that like really early in the show yeah he's one of the kids when they're doing like the little news piece on the cowboy fad he's like sitting in a tree with a bandana on shooting down at another kid and i was like i think i know who that is and then you see him later in the audience for the when buck is on the crusty is on uh crusty the clown you see him like behind bart and i'm like i don't think that kid was always black i think he was yellow could be a coloring mistake it happens but they but they're so squat and square they really uh stand out as season one characters
Starting point is 00:37:51 yeah i think he's got like a brooklyn accent he's like wednesday okay for you when he's like scheduling the beat down i think that's why they're not used anymore because they were like this is kind of dumb this is kind of tacky also you know nelson just hangs out with uh jimbo dolphin kearney he doesn't need those two losers yeah in our next clip though bart is not believed by his family let's go where it's quiet is that your brother i said let's go yeah i'm sick of this Tarzan movie. Dad, it's a documentary on the homeless. All right. The crazy dog's trying to kill me.
Starting point is 00:38:32 Really? Ooh, this I gotta see. Oh, he just wants to make friends. Who's a good dog? What's a goody doggy? Who wants a chup-a-poo? Is this a good doggy. Oh, my doggy. It's a good doggy. So, Bart, when does the killing start?
Starting point is 00:38:50 It's a good doggy. Oh. Whoa. Oh, it's a good doggy. It's expert baby talk. That's one of my favorite things from this episode that stuck with me is i i've not had a pet dog since i was eight but i love petting my friends dogs and i think i already am predisposed like who's a little cutie dog but after hearing this i never go i if i do it long
Starting point is 00:39:19 enough i do good like i i love dan's baby voice. See, I don't do baby talk. I make up parody songs about my bird and sing them to him. That's cute. Well, you don't infantilize your bird as much. No, he's a grown adult 20-year-old man. If you do baby talk to your dog, they'll never learn to speak correct English, though.
Starting point is 00:39:40 That's what I'm saying. I don't think Dan Castaneda has children, so that's good acting. Oh and i don't think dan casaneta has children so that that's good that's good acting oh that's good then yeah i i mean i also yes i love the line i'm sick of this tarzan movie it's so mean yeah that's i mean that is a swartzwalder line too for sure like i like that yeah the dog is like playing it cool by you know being sweet uh in homer's arms i believe in that scene and then yeah immediately turns on bart audibly like growling into basically into homer's ear and the family is yeah none the wiser still and he kind of slicks back his hair to look cool too which uh
Starting point is 00:40:18 there's no matt graining on this commentary to complain about the animal moving in a human way he'd be like go having a fit that's what i'm saying yeah when he's like outside the window i was probably in the next clip you're gonna play sorry i keep doing this no no no no i i don't have a clip for that so that's cool when he's outside the window standing on his hind legs like wiping the fog off the window with with his arm yeah he's just totally anthropomorphized at that moment. It looks like something from Shrek. It's like what it reminds me of. I also like by the next scene,
Starting point is 00:40:50 first, the last scene's joke was nobody believes Bart. In the next scene, the way they see him in the window, Homer's like, yeah, no, I believe you. This dog wants to kill you, but what you gonna do? You know? The trick doesn't even really stick that long, but Homer just agrees. Like, hey, sometimes dogs or people hate you for no reason.
Starting point is 00:41:10 Also, there's some good Ralph stuff in this. Bart gets on the bus. He's instantly chased off it because the dog was already on there. And then Milhousel realizes Bart's as good as dead. Time for a new friend. Ralph sits next to him and he says, finally, I'm the dominant one. Be quiet. Yes, sir.
Starting point is 00:41:28 And he just folds instantly. He says it still in a very sweet Ralph-like way. Yes, yeah. It's a really good delivery. But Milhouse already folds. Like Milhouse, you're not a dumb. Milhouse, you're a sub. You're just going to have to get used to that.
Starting point is 00:41:42 I like that, yeah, they just gave Ralph the very like and kind of sweet dumb line of just be quiet you know like something like a little little kid would say i feel like two years later they would have had like ralph respond by threatening to stab him or something in in the ralph voice you know trying to edge it up a little bit no i i prefer him innocently saying it but millhouse taking it as like i give up i give up you just you lightly said be quiet yes sir now the next scene bart shows up with his tattered clothes to the classroom and nelson says oh bart's family is poor well they have something in common now yes and bart see that white nelson is a poor kid he is less visibly poor than bart so he's he's creating Bart as the new bottom.
Starting point is 00:42:27 More tops and bottoms? No, I'm saying the bottom of the hierarchy. The bottom of the hierarchy. There you go. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. And Bart also sees that the dog is waiting for him creepily on a seesaw as well. And that's when there's the great line that I used as the opening clip of Marge saying,
Starting point is 00:42:46 you'll be late to be killed by the dog. So then there's some fun action as Bart is running on top of Hedges, stands on top of the dog's like circle of teeth, which is also just another great try. Like a bear trap. It's pretty good. And within all of this fun Looney Tunes action, there is a kind of a absurd smart joke about weird short stories
Starting point is 00:43:05 or bad short stories yes where they have their own version of the lottery that ends with the end i love that yeah all in all it was a weird we it had been a weird weird lottery the end dot dot dot question mark that's so great it does i i do kind of like that joke because i think one of the hallmarks of like the later the decline of the simpsons in the later years is they rely a lot more on puns. You know, unfortunately, you know, I enjoy a play on words, but it feels like just they lean on it way too hard and bring them in out of nowhere to like close out a scene or close out a joke. But Eat My Short Stories, like that, that feels good. That feels like a natural kind of joke that, you know, it would make sense. He's going to school.
Starting point is 00:43:48 He's carrying a book of short stories to school. The pun glides off the tongue effortlessly. I really enjoy it. And then, yeah, you see on the cover, it says America's second best short stories. A good joke. And then when the dog rips it up, yeah, you see a hack version of the lottery. It's great. Yeah, the pun has like two payoffs.
Starting point is 00:44:08 And also, like, it's almost them remembering, like, oh, remember Bart used to say, eat my shorts? Remember that? Though, of course, the final sentence of the real The Lottery is, it isn't fair. It isn't right. Miss Hutchinson screamed, and then they were upon her. It's a chilling tale of conformity gone mad. Oh, man, I'm throwing in the fire now. Yes.
Starting point is 00:44:26 Then in another very Schwarzwelder-y Looney Tunes day gag, they run through a dog show. He comes out wearing a sash that says most vicious, which he tears apart. It's a good joke. That was also my favorite category in the rescue dog dog show on ABC this year and uh then as is often the case bart finds a way to a rich person's home who's he's never met before and it's the guest star of the episode i wonder if this guy lives right next to the creator of malibu stacy i wonder oh yeah and like troy mcclure is next door too yeah and the house that uh oh yeah and the house hw bush moved into and uh what's what's the name of uh man the guy who actually created itchy and scratchy what's his name again oh
Starting point is 00:45:13 chester lampwood yeah it's solid gold house is right there uh very funny uh unnecessary line from bart safe at last now to turn around to confirm that safety yes yeah and i love the the front facing scream and bart face that's a crazy drawing i i celebrate whenever there's a crazy drawing like they they kind of slink away from crazy drawings too much uh in this and i love when they draw something silly uh and yeah you know if you cut out the opening 90 seconds of the show or minute of the show for the theme song this is like a four minute long first act this is a very short first act the second act is massive yes yes it really does feel like more of a classic era or a classic episode
Starting point is 00:45:59 of the simpsons and that yeah it has the totally detached, like, you know, opening act that somehow leads to the actual main, you know, A story or B story or both. And also, you know, like you guys were saying earlier, like this episode is just about Bart, like meeting a famous guy. And it really feels like, you know, oh, what's, you know, like a fucking season three episode, like bart gets a new hero like that's it's it's a very kind of small story even though they're doing like wild jokes you know kind of like crazy jokes about crusty getting shot and stuff like that it still feels like yeah a very a smaller more self-contained more classic episode story at least yeah especially the part with homer being concerned that he's not bart's role model anymore that does feel like season three material for sure. But yes, as the next act begins, Bart realizes he's not surrounded by scary animals.
Starting point is 00:46:52 Only one of them is alive and it quickly walks away. But this is when Bart meets a movie star. Hey, wait a minute. These animals are stuffed. Except that one. Don't worry about these critters. They're just props from my movies. This one's from Gunfight at the Museum of Natural History.
Starting point is 00:47:14 You were in movies? Hold on to your hat, son. You're talking to Buck McCoy. Who? Yeah, that's right. Buck McCoy, the most famous movie cowboy in the world. No kidding. Anyway, I climbed over your gate.
Starting point is 00:47:31 A dog was after me. I'll show you a trick that you can use on dogs. Also worked on David O. Selznick. Who? Yeah, that's right. The David O. Selznick. The David O. Selznick isick is of course the major film and hollywood executive uh who died in 1965 he produced many films including gone with the
Starting point is 00:47:53 wind and the third man i think he was the first uh american producer to work with hitchcock after he moved over from the uk and yeah it's Dennis Weaver, everybody. The Dennis Weaver. That's right. Yeah, exactly. Fortunately passed away in 2006. He was 81. But he was best known for playing Chester Good in Gunsmoke for nine years. And this was a big deal until they finally beat it. But for the longest time, Al Jean would say, and other writers too, only Gunsmoke has more episodes.
Starting point is 00:48:23 Guess what? Only 480. Now we're at what? Like 800 of the Simpsons yeah well so that so when I looked up with the uh with their comparison to Gunsmoke by their count the Simpsons count said Gunsmoke had 635 okay my count's different then well so I I just based that on I did look up the Simpsons episode where they beat gun smoke and they did a gun smoke opening it was the 636th episode i was looking at the radio series episodes that's my problem oh so if you count the radio series and it was really a thousand episodes or something i mean there are so many asterisks next to that because it's got to be like scripted scripted american original prime time prime time series because it's like well one piece has 1014 episodes now
Starting point is 00:49:05 or whatever there are even longer running shows not just the anime but with all those asterisks yes simpsons beat it yes now now simpsons is number one of all of those of those of all those asterisks but yeah i mean it is something to get on a gunsmoke actor in the mainstay of gunsmoke who is at least on the first decade of it I read his obituary at Dennis Weaver in the New York Times he you you told me Bob he is a very interesting person this guy yeah despite being the star of fairly conservative media like he what he is McLeod in McLeod yes which I only know through mystery science theater references but yeah he's an activist an environmentalist he's been a vegetarian since 1958 he still is to this very day because he's dead uh and not bad for dirt exactly not bad for a guy born in 1924 yeah yeah man and like he is in
Starting point is 00:49:52 the navy in world war ii nearly an olympic decathlete he was in lee strasburg's the actor's studio like when when he was running it he was the star of spielberg's's first non-theatrical movie, Duel. Yeah, and like longtime Democrat, he was a union president of SAG. He also was a big booster for alternative fuel and for feeding the hungry through groups in Los Angeles. And no alcoholism mentioned in this thing. So in a lot of ways, he's different from Buck McCoy. One more Weaver fact. He was the star of the movie Gentle Giant which became the tv series gentle ben a parody in homer badman yeah the bears yeah i another funny thing i read in his obituary was because his goofy character
Starting point is 00:50:36 are on gun smoke he was the second banana to the sheriff in it and his character had limp and he said like boy if i go back in time i would not play a character with a limp i would not have signed on to play a character with a limp for 10 years and that's a fun little gimmick that funny disabled man on tv and he had to walk and act with it forever and on top of that imagine now when people meet somebody on a tv show that and everybody thinks you're like their character imagine doing that in 1955 he said that every day he would meet people who'd be like hey i know a way to fix that limp of yours to go to the doctor he's like i'm not the guy tv but i thought you were gonna say people would uh walk up to him on the street and like make him do the
Starting point is 00:51:14 limp for them so they could cheer and clap do it do it chester and yeah also he's in touch of evil too right right he plays like a hotel clerk yeah yeah he's an amazing amazing career and yeah also uh but i think after mcleod he kind of sort of retired or did less stuff like this is one of his few fewer credits in the last 30 years of his life very interesting guy that that uh dennis weaver he's any and if you looked at him at the time and to like i looked up an interview him from like near 2002 he looked he had a mustache but he did look a bit like Buck McCoy as well like they certainly designed him uh to look like Dennis Weaver as well too the compound with the I'm not familiar with Dennis like I think I've seen Duel as a I saw it as a
Starting point is 00:51:57 kid or something but that's like the closest I've been I guess to any uh Dennis Weaver properties I I would watch uh what's McCloud if it's about shooting hippies. I would watch that. I mean, it kind of is. It's a detective show where it's like this cowboy from New Mexico is transported to the big city.
Starting point is 00:52:13 So I think the opening shot of the opening is him like riding a horse down the city street. That's right. Yeah. Real like Crocodile Dundee situation. Honestly, the show Justified
Starting point is 00:52:23 ripped it off, I think, a little bit. Justified. Well, Justified actually is like the Old West, like a cowboy is in Miami shooting people. He's like, but Timothy Oliphant, it's a good show. All of these shows that have like one enigmatic word as their title, I mix them all up because now there's like Succession and like Severance and another thing.
Starting point is 00:52:44 I'm like what are all i don't i don't like i'm old i'm like i think i mixed up i'm sorry yeah wait until they start uh using the same shows but dropping like using the same names of previous shows but dropping the vowels to avoid copyright infringement just like they do with apps and other companies well you know when they do the reboot of succession later they'll call it the succession they'll go that way that'll help me this compound with uh the taxidermied animals and stuff and and the live emus feels like a reference to ted nugent i could be wrong but he he was in he infamously had like a wildlife preserve on his property not a preserve that's the wrong word to use uh but you know he
Starting point is 00:53:24 had like hunting grounds on his property and a you know ton of taxidermied animals there's you know he's an awful person an awful human being but there's uh one video of him on his property where he's like it's like you're on hunt with him and he's like oh there it is there's there's the mother and he pulls back a bush and it's like a keyboard on a stand and he opens fire on it and kills the keyboard you know because he's a he's a rocker ah right so he's hunting the keyboard and then he finds like a little micro cork on the ground and he's like oh and here's one of its young and he fires on it with a hand like a pistol point blank and it's it's pretty fun it's super
Starting point is 00:54:04 deranged obviously but i thought it was well new wave did destroy point blank and it's it's pretty fun it's super deranged obviously but i thought it was well new wave did destroy rock and roll and made it illegal so he was right to shoot that keyboard that guy's goddamn lucky he got famous with like two songs back when you could make money off of those two songs forever but stranglehold's pretty good song you know i i separate the art from the artist if i could make make one more, like, point out one more thing about this little scene that I, like, resonated. When he goes, yeah, that's right, Buck McCoy, like, ignoring Bart's total ignorance of, you know, just, like, totally ignoring what he had just previously said. That's, like, a very common joke they're doing in this later era of The Simpsons. When, like, a character says something and then
Starting point is 00:54:47 somebody like you know says no that's not true and then homer just repeats verbatim what he already said you know ignore and it and it's funny you know like like when marge is like you know look at your father he's a new man and lisa's like oh but he's not and she's like he's a new man you know forcing the point like that's got some character elements to it uh but they use it so much like when burns is in the mayo clinic and he has all the diseases and he's like oh so you're saying i'm invincible and the doctor's like well even a slight breeze and and burns just walks out repeating about how he's invincible i think just uh deep denial is funny yes yeah yeah
Starting point is 00:55:26 the outright denial and it's and i mean yeah it uh they've definitely been doing this joke a lot but it also feels a new once dennis weaver is saying yeah like he's he's because he does have the weathered old man voice too and and probably in his real life like he went through like Gunsmoke was one of the biggest shows of all time in its time and everybody knew it but like I would say probably by 1982 uh he people would not know what Gunsmoke is and they wouldn't recognize they might recognize him for McLeod then oh yeah but which was a contemporary of Colombo as well like it aired in the same block of shows as colombo everybody colombo has a second life that mcleod does not have today unfortunately maybe you'll come back you can watch it on to be right now if you want or on uh or if
Starting point is 00:56:15 you're an amazon prime member you can watch it with ads on freebie there's uh it's on to be fubo freebies i i bought the colombo complete box set and by the way it was 30 for like 70 movies wow man when you want to find the episode you want to watch you need to like pull out the strategy guide it's like i gotta i gotta dig deep into this brick i gotta find which which side of the dvd is it on i don't know well let's figure it out you can know bob just just one more thing just one more thing does. Does it come with the Murder, She Wrote crossover episodes? No, it comes with the episode of Miss Columbo. Okay.
Starting point is 00:56:51 Or Mrs. Columbo, which is bad. Is it just Columbo with a bow tie in his hair? It was a licensed spinoff that Peter Falk hated. Okay. And he's not in it. But sorry, Alex. My joke. I was so sweaty to try to get my joke
Starting point is 00:57:06 out there I cut you off no it was good it was very good no I was just gonna say yeah I have no no like scope or context for guns you could show me an episode of Bonanza and call it Gunsmoke and I'd be like oh very good very nice yeah as a kid I watched a lot of old black and white shows but for some reason I just would skip the western ones like gun smoke and bonanza were airing in my in my neck of the woods as was like f troop and maybe i'd watch a little f troop because there were gags in it but i don't know i just i was never into western stuff as a kid i had never unlike f troop until a serious man that's like the only the only way i know about f troop is because that shitty little kid watches it well you know because nick and knight also didn't really invest in rerunning this stuff like i i knew a lot of the older sitcoms more because nick and knight played
Starting point is 00:57:53 them a ton and when i was a kid and so i watched them all but uh you know for example these types of black and white westerns that buck mccoy and dennis weaver started i never really heard about them until like quinn tarantino made them the main characters of once upon a time in hollywood and it's all about the forgotten movie stars of our tv stars of the 50s who all starred in these shows and no one remembers them the the rick daltons and cliff booths uh of that uh movie i think you know there's another thing i really love about this episode, which is Troy McClure has been retired for four years now. They can't do Troy McClure jokes anymore.
Starting point is 00:58:31 Thanks to Buck McCoy being a guy who starred in crazy movies. He can say a crazy movie title like Gunfight at the Museum of Natural History. And it gets it basically lets them do McClure jokes again in this episode. Like that. The fact that he has a stuffed moose he's like yeah from gunfight at the museum of natural history they don't do enough movie titles then i wish they would have done more because we see some movie posters and it feels like writers didn't make those it feels like an animator or a background artist had to come up with a title because it's not like anything funny um i i don't know if you're going to play the clip of him talking about his movies but there's one movie title in there that
Starting point is 00:59:08 i that i absolutely love oh yeah i've got it but uh but first though his trick that worked on the david o selsnick does work on the dog in a very i guess it seemed like what the dog whisperer would do of just holding the dog down and touching its neck and that makes him trust you though clearly it only works for so long because bart's nearly killed by the end of the episode that's true yeah now did it did you think the simpsons ever got uh angry letters from parents when their kids tried to uh handle an aggressive dog by laying their forearms on the neck of it i wonder if a kid actually tried this in real life i you know when i Googled how to take care of an angry dog or how to calm down an angry dog, this tip was not on the few listicles I looked at.
Starting point is 00:59:52 Schwarzwalder is trying to maim children. Yeah. Well, you know what? All those woke listicles wouldn't have an old cowboy trick like this anyway, would it? Snopes is lying to you. So, yes, then Buck is taking Bart around his house, and I have a clip of this, too, because this has pretty much I love most of the lines Buck McCoy says
Starting point is 01:00:11 because Dennis Weaver is also just very funny saying them. It's like you're living in a steakhouse. Well, thank you. Most people just mutter that. Is that horse vacuuming? If you can call it that. He soils as much as he cleans. Frank the Wonder Horse
Starting point is 01:00:31 was in 24 of my pictures. And directed one. And he got the film by credit. Five o'clock i better get home for dinner well come back anytime partner to the laundry room here we are here we are it's even funny just just the audio it's so funny on that i i love to say thanks most why thank you most people just mutter that yeah it's a great joke and apparently that film by credit thing was a there's a big stink in the wga at the time where uh they felt too many people were getting the film by credit when it would be like their first film or their only film and they thought it was it was best reserved for like a Steven Spielberg film
Starting point is 01:01:25 or like, you know, a big name director. So that was their slam against all these new directors getting the film by credit. I see. Yeah. Yeah, what a weird like... When you really care about someone, you shout it from the mountaintops.
Starting point is 01:01:39 So on behalf of Desjardins Insurance, I'm standing 20,000 feet above sea level to tell our clients that we really care about you. Home and auto insurance personalized to your needs. Weird, I don't remember saying that part. Visit Desjardins.com slash care and get insurance that's really big on care. Did I mention that we care i don't know what a weird industry to work in where it's like a creative industry with just a lot of actual technical manual labor involved as well and
Starting point is 01:02:13 it's like how do you like and and you know also you know a lot of creative manual i don't know what you would call writing you know it's obviously labor but like how do you how would you determine in a contract what director is famous enough to earn a film by credit just a very weird conversation to have i think you know writers in general are mad that they don't get enough credit on a movie and the director gets all of the credit you know the uh and so i can see why that was a big uh to do though certainly on the commentary gene is like why do we care that much about it seems silly now but though i guess he was saying that right after the last writer's strike the 08 writer's strike i think man the yeah the film by credit thing didn't even phase
Starting point is 01:02:55 me until the commentary i was like oh that's what he was complaining about it's just weird to hear like and the film my credit it's just another one of those jokes of of like yeah what did they write they're writing about their life still which is now just totally immersed in the hollywood system so this is what they know is like film by jokes uh i also like him saying he soils as much as he cleans that's another good one uh and you know what i like the design of his you're right there's a couple movie posters they walk by there that aren't really funny it's just like the texas ranger rides again or whatever but i do like that his computer is like covered in like leather it's like a leather bound it's leather work amazing yeah there's like a leather there's like a leather sleeve or skin for his desktop computer it's and you can see the raw
Starting point is 01:03:40 hide and like the stitching the leather stitching in it it. It's pretty good. And so Bart heads home. Marge has made a biscuit of Bart running scared from the dog. And then this is when Bart reveals that he's been hanging out with Buck McCoy. This is also a very ADR episode. Like there's a lot of stuff that doesn't fit. And the first one is when Abe goes like, he was bigger than opium. Like mouth movement way off on that but in a very swartzwalder move lisa tries to talk about her own hero it is instantly ignored and abe talks right over her and we don't even hear who her hero is it's
Starting point is 01:04:16 they really have to cheat this which is why i think they have on the uh on the card it says little grandpa simpson because i think grandpa is older than buck mccoy i think so too yeah um the yeah lisa's saying i met my hero today shiwa and then yeah grandpa totally cutting her off i instantly thought of you guys and your take that lisa's beliefs sound drop because that's exactly what it is it's definitely a moment since you mentioned it we'll do it take that lisa's beliefs we like when guests know about and also request the sound drops thank you yeah thank you thank you it is very uh deserving of it too like that it's an understated one because they are they just zip right by like no lisa no one cares about your hero you this isn't your episode go away the um the little grandpa Simpson card. I don't understand this joke.
Starting point is 01:05:05 I don't, I don't like it. I don't understand it. It, it feels like they couldn't have him pull out another, you know, communist membership card or, uh, like they did a bunch of card jokes with grandpa in that one episode. And they tried to do it again, I guess. And it says little, little grandpa Simpson on it. And it's like, what's the joke? Because yeah yeah he's
Starting point is 01:05:25 got to be older than Buck McCoy and so it's did he did he pretend to be a kid to join the fan club or is the joke that he was just it's an absurd joke that he was always grandpa Simpson even when he was little because the writing on it looks like a child's writing yeah I think it's made to make you think I lean towards the latter and that grandpa simpson was always old yeah yeah but i i like uh you're suggesting there bob that he was like a 46 year old man who joined the little buckaroo thing as when buck was you know a star at like 23 because yeah we as they rarely do in the show they actually just say his age later which is 76 and so uh grandpa is definitely older than 76 it's before his age is defined as god only knows right right i'm surprised they didn't do a joke like a flashback of grandpa simpson trying to seduce
Starting point is 01:06:19 buck mccoy in drag uh you know what they've yeah they're they're missing his many drag appearances and trying to seduce other men that's true yeah he's you know what maybe that's why he has the fantasy of him being a a beloved woman of the old west you can both marry me that's right he was imagining one of those men was buck yeah oh yeah he's what queen queen of the old West or something? That's right, yes. Oh, they had styles then. So after that scene, Bart takes a tour of his house, and that's where there's some more Troy McClure-style movie titles. After that, I starred in Wyatt Earp Meets the Mummy, then Six Brides for Seven Brothers.
Starting point is 01:07:02 They were pictures that the whole family could enjoy. No drugs, no nudity, no cussing. Just drinking, fighting, and tripping horses with wires. What's this lunchbox made of? Well, back in my day, we had a thing called metal.
Starting point is 01:07:19 Everything was made of it. Lunchboxes, cars, you name it. Metal. Hey, can you still do cowboy tricks? Well, here's one I did in the wild lunch. Everything tastes better when it's lassoed. Would you lasso me a banana? Now, how the hell would I do that? That's a great line reading yeah because
Starting point is 01:07:47 it's even better than showing a ridiculous thing like lassoing uh soda and chips for bart is that when he's asked to do a similar thing he's like well that's impossible how would i do that like it was rejecting it it was only this time watching that I registered he said the wild lunch I learned this trick from the wild lunch which is an appropriate pun because he didn't lasso his lunch I like that a lot when I see these metal lunch boxes though I don't think about the past
Starting point is 01:08:14 I think about how every stupid nerd collectibles package in one of these I think like one out of every six like DVD collection or like action figure thing comes with a metal lunch box Henry's looking around his uh his apartment here do you see one uh well i mean the gamera collection of mst3k came okay yeah that's for one example so now the context is very different yeah yeah i you know with
Starting point is 01:08:37 swartzwelder complaining that metal uh lunchboxes ain't metal no more did it did he like that the hipsters reclaimed metal lunchboxes and brought him back i i would think not now they're kitsch yeah uh bart ripped like not knowing the word metal is such a boomer joke him going metal like that's like that's like a boomer a boomer fever dream on on facebook like all you needed was him to say oh yeah then this was my most popular movie and bart's like i can't read what that says. And it's because it's in cursive. And no kids today know cursive at all.
Starting point is 01:09:11 How do I click the poster? You are an expert of the Facebook memes, Alex. I learn about a lot of them. I saw a good Boomer Facebook meme that was it was a picture of old Ronnie Raygun in the 80s at a presidential barbecue holding a beer. And it said in the white meme font, yes, that's the president drinking a beer. And yes, he's cooking meat. Like, yes. Well, I want our president to drink.
Starting point is 01:09:40 I kind of agree. I don't like these dry presidents. Yeah. to drink i kind of agree i miss a dry i don't like these dry presidents now yeah yeah i like the one that has yeah classic picture of ronald reagan like i think he's even like in one of his cowboy movies and then it says like back in my day uh we sold weapons to iran yeah that's a good one but wyater meets the mummy and six brides for seven brothers they're good not great the gunfight of the natural museum of natural history that's the funniest one to me but the wyater meets the mummy is a parody you know the uh abedin costello meet the mummy six brides for seven brothers a parody of
Starting point is 01:10:15 the musical seven brides for seven brothers because that means that one of the brothers doesn't get a bride i had heard about that uh musical recently is just the reason they did it in high school as a bunch in the past is because it gave a lot of parts for boys and girls. So everybody gets a role in it, basically. There's 14 leads. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:35 Participation trophy, the musical, is what the Facebook meme would say. The very funny, very Schwarzwelder-y joke is on the lunchbox. It's Buck McCoy in Six-Gun Lullaby. He's shooting people in their sleep. Yes. He's just murdering a sleeping group of people. Shooting defenseless men who are waking up after one person is shot, and the other guy's like, no, and he's being shot.
Starting point is 01:10:58 That is great. Yes, I love that. I mean, yeah, the title is great, and the idea is very dark and funny. Also, they do touch on that one of the more disturbing things about watching old Westerns is watching certainly horses injured, if not killed, when they're tripped with wires. It is every time I'm like, well, that horse, I'm sure, didn't live much longer after that scene was shot. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:11:20 Maybe horses were more durable back then. I bet not. That's why we couldn't watch any more of Luck. No, yes. Remember Luck? Yeah. the woke mob canceled luck in its horse killing you know if david milch wants to kill a bunch of horses that's his right to do so he didn't kill enough on deadwood that was him right yes okay yeah i'd watch him kill horses all day but deadwood's that brilliant i love that show it's the greatest show they didn't kill any like as far as i know no horses died on deadwood it's a clean it's clean on that show
Starting point is 01:11:50 homer and marge learn about it again in a very adr bit but whatever they said before is not as funny as what they say at the start of this clip here i think i guess you're not going to have an adventure this week just you wait hey, where'd you get that hat? Buck gave it to me. He's just about the greatest guy who ever lived. I want to grow up to be just like him. No kidding. Hey, speaking of achievers, they're thinking of spraying your old man's workspace
Starting point is 01:12:17 for ticks. That's great, champ. I know you've been wanting that. Well, got him, Ozzy. Homer, ma'am. Butcher is fond of that cow, gentlemen. It's just not fair. This buckfell has had all the advantages. Horse riding lessons, the finest makeup, delicious studio food.
Starting point is 01:12:36 Oh, homie, you'll always be my western hero. Swell. So condescending. The part of this I don't, I'm not a fan of is the the cutesy schmutesy bart's a cowboy stuff with his his widow eos up all pulled down with the big hats yeah it's it's a little it's a little makes you want to gag a little bit demands these be adorable later though that's true yeah they acknowledge it it doesn't make it better i like that they recognize like we were kind of being a little too cute with this aren't't we? I love Bart's condescension to Homer.
Starting point is 01:13:06 Like, that's great, champ. I know you've been waiting for that. Anyway. That's such a good, I love that, like, back and forth. It's their thinking of spraying your old man's workplace. They're not even spraying it. They're just considering it. And, yeah, he says, that's great, champ.
Starting point is 01:13:23 And then he says, I know you've been wanting that and that sounds like a real like carl and lenny line hey can't go wrong with that or you know i i know you've been you've been wanting that it's probably homer with the ticks i think great deliveries from from everyone here like i i really feel like this era is the actors are still kind of giving a shit i definitely think they seem to be getting like less direction maybe, or like doing fewer takes. In the later seasons,
Starting point is 01:13:52 like I kind of came to the realization as I kind of try to explore the later and later seasons, because I kind of stopped really loving the show around like season 11 or season 12 i i have some favorites in those like kill the alligator and run is like one of my favorite episodes i like behind the laughter a lot like i know those are like problematic episodes like people hate them but that was like my you know when i was watching the newer episodes that's kind of like my age range you know i'm 1987 so i was like 11 or or something when those episodes were coming out i don't know no i was older than that but um i feel like you
Starting point is 01:14:32 know people talk about the writing declining in in the later simpsons years but i do think some of that is on on the actors i think like they're kind of less maybe invested in the character or something and while i was watching this i kind of had like more of a understanding or what I think might be an understanding. They're leaning into like the self-reference stuff and the irony stuff a lot harder in these episodes. You know, they are like competing with Family Guy and stuff like that.
Starting point is 01:14:58 So they do these like broad line reads, you know, that are supposed to be a joke. You know, like, I guess you're not going to have another adventure this week, you you know and that's like supposed to be like a meta joke it's supposed to be kind of a big and broad thing and like when bart says in this episode everything tastes better when it's lassoed like that's like a really big delivery but i think it's supposed to be it's supposed to sound kind of like a commercial it's supposed to be like a commercial acting performance um but i i just hear that like that that sort of delivery starts
Starting point is 01:15:32 really grating on me like when in the funzo episode when bart's like funzo makes playtime fun it's like that's not like really a joke you know? And I feel like maybe the voice actors got like irony poisoned by the writing. And so they just don't, they don't like give the smaller performances anymore. Yeah. I can see that. When the writing is a parody of itself, you lose a more naturalistic acting to sell that. I guess I'll just be big every time then. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:16:03 And it's like, they have not recorded together for a long time oh that too yeah yeah and plus now they're all making like a couple million a season so i i can see you're like yeah you know i'm making a couple million a season let's try to keep this work day down to four hours i do like homer's at least drive like just you wait like that he's because he knows like now this my scene is starting now it's now my time to have an adventure in the episode well i'm actually glad for that scene because at that point in the show i was like is there no b plot is it just the cowboy guy and then i was like okay the promise of a b plot okay where's captain wacky at and so buck comes
Starting point is 01:16:42 over for dinner uh well first we see bart is doing really good with lasso tricks which uh he doesn't think he's good at it yet but man they look hard i watched i watched some videos on lasso tricks and uh yeah it's not not easy stuff to do uh and it's the rope's pretty heavy i've seen i i will say if you watch one of those videos you then get a lot of suggestions for conservative media i will say i i also watched a video once uh i was like do i want to get a lot of suggestions for conservative media, I will say. I also watched a video once. I was like, do I want to get a cast iron pan? I got to learn how to season it myself. And I watched this guy who was like, the cowboy cook shows you how to season your own pan.
Starting point is 01:17:14 I was like, okay, let's see. And then he starts it with like, and now a prayer for our police officers. It's so hard right now. I was like, oh, yeah, I guess I should have figured from the cowboy cook. One thing, I want all the cast iron sickos to stay out of the comments. I don't want to adopt your way of life. Don't push it on anyone. I didn't buy a cast iron.
Starting point is 01:17:30 I did not become a cast iron skillet type person. It seems like too much work, honestly. I don't know. Alex, have you ever tried it out, the cast iron lifestyle? I was lucky enough to be boyfriended into the cast iron lifestyle. I see. It really does make a difference you know the cooking a burger or cooking meat on it really helps brown brown that baby up you know you gotta season it all the time and it's you know my weak arms well you gotta the hardest part isn't the seasoning the hardest part is scraping it so
Starting point is 01:18:01 you have to scrape it after you use it and then seasoning it just consists of like putting you know olive oil on it and heating it up a little bit and like that's that's all seasoning is basically a hot sponge for oil man yeah i enjoy my food seasons with the uh the non-stick microplastics yeah yum yum yum yeah i'll be sticking that sticks to your ribs microplastics there so uh Buck comes over for dinner. Homer's already acting jealous. In a very 80-yard line, he says, on top of which, I don't look bald when he's wearing his hat. Also, as an early warning sign on Buck, the only one of the list of things Marge says of their dinner he is excited about is refried whiskey. We have a quick joke that Abe is
Starting point is 01:18:45 the fanboy who is told like, get him out of here. Yeah, Bart is disgusted. This is when we get him showing off his old movies. Gee, Buck, your old films are as violent as today's. One of the wheels broke off my chair today.
Starting point is 01:19:03 But I didn't make a movie about it. Shh! In the 50s, I did a TV show. It only lasted a year, but we did 360 episodes, all of them. Great. I did the commercials myself. Remember, kids, drunken cowboy brand whiskey is smooth as milk. I'm not sure I approve of selling whiskey to children.
Starting point is 01:19:27 Well, that ad was aimed at children who were already heavy drinkers. Oh. Tonight's episode, Excuse Me While I Kill the Sky. Yeah. Why are you driving a car? Yeah, in the 70s, westerns were out and detective shows were in. Seems like all I did was shoot hippies. They wrote me out of the show and it became Room 222.
Starting point is 01:19:59 That was James L. Brooks' first sitcom he created. That's a great line. That makes sense. And a knee slapper. I was wondering about why, because I had to look up what Room 222 was, and I was like, why is this the joke? But that makes sense now. The way those hippies fall down when shot is just so funny.
Starting point is 01:20:16 None of them scatter. They're just like, what? Just like drop, drop, drop. Then all the show, obviously, McCloud was not about driving around shooting hippies but it's about riding a horse and shooting hippies the first person perspective on just the gun in frame like a first person shooter killing all the hits shooting them at like almost point blank range is so funny it's and that's what that's what john schwartzwater wants to do it's super funny but you know that like some
Starting point is 01:20:46 17 year old right-wing monarchist has uploaded that clip to youtube with just the caption based absolutely absolutely yeah it reminds me yeah of like you know the the boomer fever dream it's it would be it's not quite like the ultimate boomer fever dream which is the hippies would have to show up at your house like like you have to not have to even be like get up off the couch to kill the hippie like the hippie should be kicking down your door and then you can just sit there with your uh your sawed-off shotgun and and and kill them that way like obviously death wish like the original death wish where he's like a bleeding heart i finally watched it like five years ago i'd never seen it and it's so funny because he's like a bleeding heart liberal architect uh who's then like wife and and
Starting point is 01:21:39 daughter get murdered by just a random gang of teens so that turns him into a conservative vigilante which is like that that is like the conservative bromide a liberal is just a conservative who hasn't been mugged yet except like it is just they're fan they're fantasizing about much more than being mugged which is yeah the women in your life uh bad stuff happening to them you bringing that up reminds me of again yellowstone the couple episodes i watched of yellowstone were that one of the plots and it was there were these crunchy environmentalists who were protesting uh some drilling in the area and uh a couple of the environmentalists like uh like were violent terrorists and and have a shootout in a bar or in a diner.
Starting point is 01:22:27 And of course, Kevin Costner's character is the good guy with a gun and shoots both of them, the two guys with guns, and kills them. And then the accomplices of the other environmentalists get arrested. She's like, hey, you can't arrest me. I don't know that. And the DA there says, you're not in Portland anymore. And here the DAs arrest people. I was like, wow, I'm watching some red state TV here. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:22:52 Kevin Costner in that show, the hero of the show is a millionaire, small business tyrant. Who's also a cop. He's like also the, the, like be in the bureau of land management or something he's like a higher-up bureaucrat who can arrest people uh and basically runs like a slave ranch for for his people which i'll reference later in in this episode when it comes up is this the most popular show on television now yeah pretty much yeah and is oh it also is entitled millennial daughter comes back to town and she's real slutty and she's learning her place oh beth beth rocks beth is
Starting point is 01:23:30 actually like she's actually like the best kid i think for him like she's like the brains of the operation i think but the clip that i saw that got me hooked on yellowstone was a group of asian tourists approaching a bear like they left their tour bus to approach a bear, you know, and these guys, they don't know what the, what the hell they're doing. They're from some fricking other country. It doesn't, it doesn't know which way's up. So they're walking up to the bears. They'd never heard of a dang bear. So they're walking up to this bear. And the tour guide is like, Oh yeah, that's a bear. You can go touch it,
Starting point is 01:24:03 go touch it, go have fun, knock yourself out. Andvin kevin costner shows up and he's like what the hell you're doing that's a bear you you morons you know i don't think he says any slurs he eventually you know uh he says this is my private property you gotta leave and they're like private property should be illegal like you should not be allowed to own property and he's like oh and he fires a gun into the air and gets him to run off. I saw that clip on Facebook and I was like, oh, my God, we got to cover this on the show. My God. This is unrelated, but it reminds me that Henry and I just watched Gremlins 2, the new batch in theaters with Joe Dante.
Starting point is 01:24:38 Joe Dante doing an interview. Probably left after act one. But there's a character in the movie that is a a stereotype of a japanese person and i forgot it was like oh yeah the stereotype was they go on vacation and take pictures of things that's the stereotype pretty crazy yeah do you remember that band zebra head it was like no no a rap rock band from like 1998 they had like one or two hits i can't remember the name of this the the single but yeah there's like it's just there's extras in that video who are just a bunch of asian people taking photographs of the band and like that's a that's a full like third of of the music video
Starting point is 01:25:18 that's just a joke no yeah there's uh most things in the 90s had to have at least one asian family with cameras joke i mean the simpsons literally yeah yeah yeah are you drew barrymore yes yeah you didn't do it in the accent they say in the episode well i i can't just not skilled enough not not hank azaria levels of talent he's the master of accents we've said it before we've said it before yeah uh so so yeah this is when they say that you know westerns are due for a comeback which not true they they never come back like not what until now then i do like they says we can play cowboys and indians and the nerds can be indians lisa does the lisa never gets to do a collar pull joke it's so funny hearing yardley smith go that make that noise and this
Starting point is 01:26:05 is when bart comes to town hit the uh the playground and ralph's playing the piano just like in a western and then the music stops and the new cat the cowboys in town my favorite joke is that martin is trying to make uh he's trying to make hawaiian shirts work but turns out he's not fun he's just fat the animation on the on the lasso around the hawaiian shirt stripping it off of him is so good the impossible lassoing in this episode in general is all is all great yeah it's good at lassoing off clothes and like underwear and also you know what the previous line about uh the people who wear hawaiian shirts are for fat guys or big uh big fat party animals or gay guys martin you know what? The previous line about the people who wear Hawaiian shirts are for fat guys or big fat party animals or gay guys. Martin, you know, he's both fat and his sexuality seems to also lean in the other direction, too. He's a lame fat gay guy, though.
Starting point is 01:26:54 So he has to learn how to be a party animal, I think. He's trying. He's trying out the Hawaiian shirts. Yeah, Hawaiian shirts, stereotypes. Yeah, fat guys, party animals party animals gay guys and also uh singers of legendary cleveland hardcore bands and john lassiter yeah and weird al yeah and weird al and he's still wearing him he changed his hair and glasses but he still kept those hawaiian shirts but yes uh so in a very adorable way the school loves cowboys. Bart, you look so cool.
Starting point is 01:27:26 I was thinking this could be a new fad. What about Hawaiian shirts? Hey, you're not fun. You're fat. Now listen up. When I come back tomorrow, you better have cowboy suits. And they better be adorable. This is Kent Brockman here at Springfield Elementary, where a new Western craze is sweeping the campus.
Starting point is 01:27:52 I'm Annie Oakley. I'm Kevin Costner in one of his Western roles. I'm a Gulch. So I guess you could say this barely qualifies as news. I'm Kent Brockman. A lot of people could say that about a lot of things on the news these days. Kent Brockman, I wonder if his daughter's the one who got him to cover this schoolyard fad like she did with Malibu Stacy. Or no, no, no, Lisa Lionheart, excuse me.
Starting point is 01:28:17 Yes, yeah. Talk about the dolly. She could have gotten into them too. I love, I'm Kevin Costner in one of his Western roles. No specific film, just one of them. Somebody to choose from. Yeah. I like when they address like schoolyard fads. Like the only one I could really think of was the earring episode.
Starting point is 01:28:37 You know, I think that's where Homer joins the Naval Reserves and Bart wants to get the earring. I don't know. I like, it feels like an actual kid's story where they're they're dealing with like playground politics and and trends i i think it's cute and there's the yo-yo fad yeah yeah yeah and all of them talking about seeing the itchy and scratchy movie but but it's great that uh no kid westerns have still not become a child's fad yet. Like, you know, I think. I think they were initially, right?
Starting point is 01:29:08 Kids love Westerns. Oh, back when John Schwarzwalder was a child. Sure, yeah, yeah. They all loved it. And the Daniel Boone, I mean, if you read some of the oldest Charlie Brown comics, they're about the, you know, the Daniel Boone hat and everybody with their coon skin hats,
Starting point is 01:29:23 everybody wearing them. It was such a big fad back then. You can like, you can kind of grease the skids on any fad for children as long as it involves a toy gun. I think like I, I definitely had like a, like a toy revolver,
Starting point is 01:29:37 a toy six shooter when, when I was a kid. And it's very funny to see all the Simpsons kids and, and characters on here, just firing toy guns at each other on a schoolyard playground. I had my own little boomer moment where I was like, well, you couldn't do that now. For sure. This is post Columbine.
Starting point is 01:29:54 I don't think you do that then. Yes, actually. I don't think you could do it then either. No, yeah. I mean, right after Columbine at my high school, it was locked down. You couldn't go nowhere like and it was we didn't do clear backpacks but certainly the uh well the big thing was you had to walk around wearing lanyards all the time to prove you were a real student there not some stranger coming in with
Starting point is 01:30:15 guns which again but the calls were coming from inside the house i know with columbine honestly i have to think somebody in the school just knew the guy who ran the lanyard company was was selling up i mean that what what a boon for bullies though you have an instant weapon on every potential victim just wrap oh yeah just grip it right there choke them and uh so yes there's a brief little uh scenes of the Western craze going around. We have Apu singing a song that really is just a setup for Homer to talk about needing to pee. He's singing, don't fence me in. And Homer replies with, can't hold it in about his urine that he needs to release from his mouth. He wants to expel some urine.
Starting point is 01:31:01 Very weird scene like the second time around watching it it kind of struck me like why are they all in just sitting on the floor in the quickie mart having like a a campfire song and yeah very strange little cutaway scene almost i mean i i suppose it is also just trading on it's funny to hear the voice of up who sing an old country song. I would assume it's kind of just trading on that. I think so, yeah. I mean, it's as simple as that. What if he did it in his American accent? That'd be funny.
Starting point is 01:31:36 So then it's getting so popular that the kids are appealing to Krusty to book Buck on the show. Krusty, how do you feel about putting Buck McCoy on your show? Pass. We also represent Billy Joel. Who's the first one again? Buck McCoy. Forget it. I'm not putting some Western star on just because it's the flavor of the month.
Starting point is 01:32:00 I want my show to have a timeless quality. Here's your hanging Chad sketch, Krusty. Oh, good. You worked in Jajito. Please put Buck on. I want my show to have a timeless quality. Here's your hanging Chad sketch, Krusty. Oh, good. You worked in Jajito. Please put Buck on. He's my hero. Plus, he'll work for scale.
Starting point is 01:32:14 Scale minus ten? I ain't going on some clown show. I'm retired. No one expects you to do anything difficult. They understand you're too old. Listen, Missyy the last two city slickers who use reverse psychology on me are pushing up daisies they're dead no they just got lousy jobs but that is so uh vaudeville yes yeah yeah crazy joke speaking of jingles uh you know i could make a jingle out of like i wanted this show to have a timeless quality and for how many times we mentioned boy that's a dated joke it's a great joke about how
Starting point is 01:32:49 hanging chad jokes already by post 9-11 are dated like they even then they were like nobody's joking about the hanging chads anymore and now i guess crusty is back to being johnny carson again yes for this episode al jean's back in charge. So he's back to being Carson. Yeah. And I mean, though, he's also Leno because he loves Judge Ito. Right, right, right. Yeah. I feel like it really portends poorly that, yeah, talking, making a joke about how the Supreme Court halted an election, a presidential election recount.
Starting point is 01:33:21 Oh, wow. That's old news. I feel like that's like a world historical event that you could keep referencing uh for some time nobody remembers that one now though honestly no this is my fault for just wasting my time in replies on twitter but every time i see i see people i i can't not do it when people are louding Liz Cheney on Twitter I'm just like you know her dad literally stole an election right like she's she doesn't care about democracy
Starting point is 01:33:50 at all I think I would have heard about this yeah you mean proud member of the honored at the Senate Dick Cheney that man the line we also represent Billy Joel I like I like that joke a lot it feels like a better attempt at
Starting point is 01:34:06 self-reference like it feels less lazy because it is obviously referencing like all the many times the the kids have helped like celebrities or public figures you know get their groove back and just but but they're actually like going the extra mile and like you know keeping it sort of in world instead of just saying wow we sure do you know represent a lot of celebrities they're actually referencing a specific one that they're doing a agent work for i i like that and then i also like crusty's total disgust at billy joel yeah he doesn't want bit who is the first one i mean like he's never not been popular but i don't think he wrote a new album since like the early 90s. No, no. I'm not much of a fan of Billy Joel's music.
Starting point is 01:34:48 I am a fan of his killing Nazis policy, though. I don't know if you remember that in like 2018 or 2019, he came out strong in favor of hitting Richard Spencer in the face. And many, I think he like at Madison Square Garden, he talked about like wailing on a proud boy with a baseball bat, something to that effect, which I really appreciate. I didn't know the piano man had it in him. Yeah, boy. You know, though, if you bet based on some headlines I've seen about Billy Joel over time, I'd say him and Buck McCoy have more in common than just Bart and Lisa
Starting point is 01:35:21 defending them, I'd say. They like horses, right? Both of them. Okay. They like driving horses into people's front uh hey uh also the another insider joke here when he says scale minus 10 uh the joke inside hollywood is at first off scale is the lowest amount that a union actor can be paid but also in hollywood terms you would say that this plus 10 meaning you want to be paid that level plus 10 because that's what your agent gets that's your agent's fee so you say this plus 10 so crusty saying this minus 10 is that he's even stingier and takes it away so So this minus 10.
Starting point is 01:36:06 So it's an extra insider joke there. More inside baseball. They only know about how to make TV shows. The kids love those scale jokes and film by credit jokes. And so, yes, after he mentions the guy's literally pushing up daisies, this is when the reverse psychology finally works. He breaks glass in case of comeback uh pulls out only his bolo ties though which is also a great gag he's for some reason has a texas
Starting point is 01:36:31 or a massachusetts bolo tie which lisa smartly tells him to wear the time i like the way you think yeah so we head over to crusty's uh crusty lou studios we're seeing the uh the practice of it and that his gun slinging is better than ever like he's doing so much gun slinging action here and uh oh you know what i forgot to mention there was one other deleted scene that uh when buck was showing off his reel of things to the family they deleted a scene where he says and here's a picture where i did a bunch of my own songs and it's him you know it's a singing cowboy. But the joke is that it's set in the middle of like a cowboys and Indians in quotes movie fight. But he's dressed as like a rhinestone cowboy with a mic and backup singers singing in the middle of it, which that was a good joke.
Starting point is 01:37:20 I had to kept that in. The singing this. I think the reason they cut it is because the singing itself did not like even scan as a tune when i when i listened to it at least i was like oh that's rough you know dennis weaver he he released albums when he was alive yeah i found that out about him maybe his voice deteriorated in his old age but yeah the gunslinging action all the spinning around man it looks good boy boy, does it look good. Though, of course, now I'm just thinking, so he's going to shoot live rounds in front of an audience full of children. And also, because it's Al Jean's running the show, and because Krusty is Carson, they're referencing, of course, the most famous Carson clip, one of the most famous, where the guy throwing the tomahawks at the target hits the target in the crotch.
Starting point is 01:38:08 Yep. And it's like the biggest laugh on TV for decades. Yep. Yeah, it was. I think it's like April 65 it happened or something like that. April 65 is Ed Ames, the star of Daniel Boone, and hits him in the crotch. And Johnny Carson, after a full minute of uproarious laughter where nothing can be said. Carson's able to say, I didn't even know you were Jewish.
Starting point is 01:38:29 That's the that's the big laugh. He was immediately arrested for telling that joke. One of the dirtiest jokes on television. He said, yeah, didn't he say he said like he said, well, that's what we call a frontier bris. Yes. And that's that's what like makes everybody lose their minds with like how edgy that joke was at the time apparently i mean hey if you're watching tv and you just see the accidental slamming of a tomahawk into the crotch of a standee dude like and it's 1965 you know you've
Starting point is 01:39:00 you've never seen anything this filthy on american television it's i'd laugh too the word bris was never uttered previously the um the i do want to like underline how great the animation is on this like the him spinning the gun and shooting behind his back and then shooting with his feet he believably fires this revolver with a pair of feet, like with his toes interlaced in into the trigger guard. And the other toe is pulling back the hammer as he, you know, of course, I guess, less believably shoots a statue out of solid granite. But you really believe like, I mean, the gun is lined up. He's like resting in a way with his legs crossed that makes i don't know like balance like it seems to make physical sense i was like damn that that's amazing amazing bit of animation someone had to figure that out yeah it's a very sports weltery thing and that he's also he carves
Starting point is 01:39:55 a little statuette by firing bullets at like a block of wood or stone or whatever that is and uh yes then he shoots uh five holes in the crotch of uh of crusty which he did the animation on like he's fanning the gun like the like the man with no name like it's just so good yeah he's spinning greater he's spinning the gun and his torso is like wiggling like when he's passing the gun back from hand to hand it's so good it's it's a very like fluid animation that you don't really see on the simpsons especially not by season 13 you don't you're not seeing this as much but uh so yeah everything seems fine for old buck he's he's uh looks like everything's gonna go great or it will it oh right in the panhandle write that down down. Buck, this is a real honor.
Starting point is 01:40:47 I grew up watching your horse operas down at the Bijou. Yeah, things sure have changed since the 50s. I don't care. You know, it's been a long time since I performed live. You'll do fine. Just remember, there'll be millions of people watching you. Millions. And TV Guide's
Starting point is 01:41:14 Cheers and Jeers editor. And he's already given out all his cheers. And every word Krusty says makes him drink more. Just another drink for that flat.
Starting point is 01:41:24 You know, we no longer live under the tyranny of Cheers and Jeers anymore. Yeah, it's true. Yeah, TV Guide, long, long dead. Doesn't tell us what to think. I think TV Guide is still active, though. Oh, sure. Yeah, you're right. I mean, the TV Guide channel, I think it's still called that, too.
Starting point is 01:41:39 I remember as a kid buying TV Guide because I was like, I love watching TV. I want to get better at watching TV. i need to up my game i probably stole a lot of tv opinions from cheers and jeers i remember watching this episode as a kid and just have no having no clue what they were talking what crusty was talking about with cheers and jeers i was just like what is what is any of this i mean i know those words but that doesn't make sense um and yeah only like later upon later rewatches realizing oh he's talking about like a style like a you know a column style you know somebody's particular method of reviewing stuff must be called cheers and jeers when you really care about someone, you shout it from the mountaintops. So on behalf of Desjardins Insurance, I'm standing 20,000 feet above sea level to tell our clients that we really care about you. Home and auto insurance personalized to your needs.
Starting point is 01:42:37 Weird, I don't remember saying that part. Visit Desjardins.com slash care and get insurance that's really big on care did i mention that we care and uh yeah i also like the right in the panhandle just another like late 90s or a 2000 joke because about the it's a florida joke as well but oh okay yeah about his wang yeah yeah okay when you know hanging chads in florida's panhandle like it adult connects like yeah but also i like that homer says uh i've seen fancier about his fancy shooting it's all to set up more later that he's gonna say i've seen drunker as the callback and and also i really love dan's delivery on i don't care like it's so much disdain he was only humoring this old man he didn't want to start a conversation yeah
Starting point is 01:43:30 and then in a very 80 yard line i don't know what crusty said before but him saying like i won't be doing my monologue because my feet hurt and now the next thing now the first sketch and then boy i don't like that line we don't take kindly to transvestite chimpanzees here in pie corners i was like it's a i'm pulling at my neckline like lisa here it's a rough joke but i do think the joke itself is supposed to be like another meta fourth wall joke referencing the fact that uh missed what's it what's the monkey's name again mr teeny mr teeny is a male monkey so from so they're like making a joke about the actor within the sketch you know so it's like oh well because this is a male actor uh we're putting a lamp we're hanging a lampshade on the fact that
Starting point is 01:44:17 he's in drag in this sketch uh but yeah it does kind of still hinge on like the uh the punch line being the word transvestite. I suppose the joke, too, is the Snidely Whiplash character is committing a hate crime, I guess. Not just that he hates... I like the idea of animals in drag. Yes, yeah. Like a male dog with a big blonde wig on or something. That's why guys want their boy dogs to have blue collars or black collars, not pink collars.
Starting point is 01:44:43 That means their boy dog's not a boy. Yeah, you gotta lift that dog sorry check it out it just to me it felt like more like detached irony within detached irony and then it's also like not not good because of the specific subject matter uh so this is when they call in uh buck he's missing his cue. And this is when Bart says, he's drunk. I've seen drunker, says Homer. And I also love Buck's defensiveness when he feels the horses judging him. He's like, well, that's real on you. Nothing. Though, honestly, the nerdy comedy writer next to him should not be pressuring a drunk man to pull out his gun.
Starting point is 01:45:21 Both of his guns. I know it's the pressure on live TV, but's like you know this this sketch is over when he starts shooting things as well this is when there's a quick deleted scene buck also shoots a cue card that had mel's lines on it and mel freaks out and says i'm not off book i'm not off book that's a good line i like it i like it yeah good joke once again that no child would understand yeah Yeah. It's also very inside. And then a joke about how the children are not freaked out about the bullets flying near them. They are happy that the applause sign is destroyed.
Starting point is 01:45:55 So they're finally free. Yeah. And I don't know about you guys in this era of like gun violence and also recently someone being murdered on a movie set. Yes. Seeing Krusty just get shot in the stomach yes it's pretty shocking very realistically just falls on like yeah like yeah yeah yeah you don't see blood but you do see like a cavity for you do see like the punch
Starting point is 01:46:17 in where like all of like his shirt gets sucked into and it's what i'm assuming is like a sucking chest wound. It's like Oswald getting shot by Jack Ruby. Kind of. Yeah. The drawings are funny. They did a great job, but I was just like, wow. Yes. Krusty just gets shot on screen in the gut.
Starting point is 01:46:37 I mean, I love the visual of Krusty standing perfectly next to his standee to like inviting being shot but though i gotta say crusty is pretty forgiving for being shot and then he's like you know what you're off my show forever no no charges are pressed he doesn't even go to the hospital right he's still no no for being a 60 year old clown who just got shot he's uh pretty easy i i do love he says like uh these humorous doctors will cut me out of my clothes it risks becoming a very special episode with like i may forget to mention i'm an alcoholic and bart being disappointed though i do like to think that every time homer's off screen he's drinking out of a flask in any episode yeah it's kind of funny how quickly like
Starting point is 01:47:24 bart is like oh he's he's an alcoholic you know and they all realize he's an alcoholic and so like bart just immediately casts him aside he's like i thought he was my hero turns out he's got a disease yes yeah i think it's he's too close to homer now yeah you know what he's like that yeah now you're like my dad i already have one drunk in my life fair fair you know he should also hold like that. Yeah, now you're like my dad. I already have one drunk in my life. Fair, fair. You know, he should also hold it against him that he's shooting his second biggest hero, Krusty the Clown, you know? Yeah, yeah. You almost murdered Krusty the Clown on TV.
Starting point is 01:47:54 That could be it, I think. Yes, but you're also right. This does, in the post-Alec Baldwin shooting some in a horrible gun death on set this does have a different feel to it as well not though i mean they were writing this after the crow murder as well that were accidental death that happened yeah yeah it was it was on a western too right yes okay that's why yes it hit me yeah it's uh oof yeah yeah but uh but, when we come back for commercial break, Bart is very disappointed. Oh, this is horrible. My spit takes all that blood in them. Look, I'm really sorry.
Starting point is 01:48:33 Sorry? Don't suture my colon. And you're off my show forever. Bart, I couldn't help noticing Buck is a total fraud. So I took the liberty of creating a new hero for your wall. That is just grotesque. Well, I thought if you were looking to worship someone, maybe it could be your old man.
Starting point is 01:49:03 Eh, we could try it. Yes. Hmm. My son lost his hero. This should be the greatest night of my life. How come I'm not happy? You care about Bart's feelings? Stop saying that! I think we should try to restore Bart's faith in Buck, and
Starting point is 01:49:19 we could start by getting Buck to quit drinking. Oh, man. I love his stop saying that! that like he's tired of hearing the part also bart is right that homer is offering up a ferret fossil with farrah fawcett style poster with his visible nipples that is disturbing he shouldn't be doing that it's crazy i was gonna say you said you said farrah fossil that's her flintstones name you're right yes yeah yeah what a crazy poster it's got homer's nipples on it it's it like pointed nipples it's it's so crazy after after he's like oh i could be your hero now and bart's like okay we'll give it a shot i i if you had asked me i would have sworn up and down that
Starting point is 01:49:59 there was like an an nrbq scored montage after this of homer trying to be in bart's life but that's just you know like two other episodes oh yeah if scully was here he'd be calling up at rbq what haven't i used man you know what in a yeah in an episode with a little more time for this third act there would have been a montage of homer failing at being bart's hero and then deciding to help uh buck but instead they just zip right to it. Like Homer can tell Bart's heart isn't in anything. And that's when he decides to change things, which this is also when there is a final deleted scene that's on the DVD.
Starting point is 01:50:35 And it is a dirty joke. Ooh, let's hear it. So after Marge says, we'll get Buck to quit drinking. Then Homer says, well, all right, but now it's time for little Homer. I think little Homer needs a little attention. And he lifts up his blanket and reaches towards his crotch
Starting point is 01:50:55 and then pulls out a doll of himself that he has been sewing together. And then Marge is like, stop bringing that to bed. And then Homer says, I need some attention. So that was a very dirty joke. I would have liked to see that in the final cuts. I bet that, they don't say it on the commentary, but I would bet that got cut by a censor, if anything. That little Homer and Homer reaching towards his crotch area was too filthy.
Starting point is 01:51:19 The on-screen shooting was fine. Yes. Oh, that's fine. Yeah. Oh, I think they cut the scene because uh it was too rushed we didn't get enough time of homer like miming the little the little homer doll and and like doing funny voices with it which would have been i i think like a classic homer do we have any like i can't i'm trying to remember of him like playing with stuff like i know he plays with his mashed
Starting point is 01:51:41 potatoes when he goes to clown before he goes to clown college. But like, it feels he loves him. He loves having that box on his head. Yeah. Those are good moments. You know, you could have had one of those moments right here. And so they decide they're going to help Buck. They're pouring out all his fancy whiskey, which honestly, you know what? The less fortunate could really enjoy that expensive whiskey.
Starting point is 01:52:01 Yeah. Donate that whiskey. Yeah. Or at the very least, resell it and give that money to the homeless. I've seen too many montages of alcoholics pouring their whiskey away and it's like, I want that. I can handle it responsibly.
Starting point is 01:52:13 Donate it, please. Just more Hollywood decadence. Streets run with brown liquor. They need little free libraries but with discarded booze. It's like, i don't want this rum anymore who was i kidding i hate my ties aperitivo not for me no the painting when she's like oh is any is that all the liquor and he's like oh that painting's made of liquor i i don't
Starting point is 01:52:38 like that joke i was like this just feels like a throwaway lazy joke and then she pours the painting down the drain i remember even as a kid being like what that that was totally swartzwater they call him out i think that was his challenge like you figure out how to draw this i'll give it to the animators that they made a landscape somehow pour out and liquid sure like pour out of the frame yeah yeah it's a lot of work for a very silly thing i'm just like well that's made of liquor like like the painting was hanging on the wall like like gravity gravity clearly has no domain over that over that liquor painting like you can't just pour it out over the sink there could have been a funnier thing of uh how about
Starting point is 01:53:15 his gun is full of liquor and he like drinks out of the handle of it that's imitatable uh that's true yeah they can only get away with that in the movie, with Wiggum and his donut guy. Oh, right, right. They then take him to AA, but for cowboys, the John Ford Center for Alcoholic Cowboys. I love this Walter Brennan guy. It's Carl Wiedergott who doesn't really get many funny lines. The secret of Carl Wiedergott,
Starting point is 01:53:44 of why he gets the occasional line on the show is that he was basically their stand-in at table reads when somebody wouldn't be there and so uh i i don't think they could pay him there or i don't think they would pay him particularly great for subbing in a table read but the return gift would be hey you can have a one-off line in the show every now and again though i mean dan castellaneta does a perfect walter brennan so this could have easily been there but that confused me yeah old chopper here but uh so the doctor in this scene is uh dr foster from hurricane netty although not voiced by hank azaria so just his character design with different hair color but
Starting point is 01:54:23 yeah it's his younger 60s model oh that's right that's right yeah so it's a time traveling Dr. Foster that's more interesting than this I did notice also in that room when they're having the like thick group therapy session there's a statue on like a shelf in the background that's the same horse statue that Buck carves with his gun like of a rearing horse and a guy holding a sword you know kind of like custer's charge or something like that it's the same i'm pretty sure it's the same statue and i i didn't i don't know why it was repeated but oh that's cool i missed that yeah the uh but uh but yes this is when uh buck well he feels aegis isn't for him. I was drinking so much I forgot what life was about.
Starting point is 01:55:06 Gold! Gold! Beautiful gold! Nuggets as big as your fist! You guys are sick. I don't belong here. Buck, if you walk out that door, you'll be branded a quitter forever.
Starting point is 01:55:26 Mmm, something smells delicious. Well, that's it. This place ain't for me. Well, we're not giving up. We're going to cure you of drinking. Look, I worked long and hard, got rich, and now I'm retired. Why shouldn't I be able to drink all I
Starting point is 01:55:42 want? Well, I don't know. I just naturally assumed it was some of my business. Well, I don't see how it is. Nobody's even told me your name yet. I did enjoy that. You know, Dr. Foster, his burning alcoholics with hot irons, more controversial than his spankological protocol. That's true, yeah.
Starting point is 01:56:01 Well, that's the Yellowstone moment that i was that i was referencing on the show yellowstone he brands his workers with the yellowstone brand jesus he like um they like take in troubled men basically who are on like their last you know their their second strike or whatever and make them part of the yellowstone crew by branding them with his cattle iron wow man this sounds like a cult yeah jesus yeah it's like the insane the biggest small business tyrant to ever exist and he's the hero of the show oh god damn man i just i i mean i thought of that line is very swartz weldery of just like if a guy wants to be drunk leave him alone like he's rich and old uh he let him drink himself to death if he wants and you nagging ladies like uh that
Starting point is 01:56:52 gene says they cut a line of like i had a horse named marge wants a blue haired nag think about it yeah um no i'm on his side i i i but like, they're only good getting him into rehab to serve their own interests of making Bart happy. Like, it's like, what if he just wants to drink, just let him drink. Don't make him perform on the crusty,
Starting point is 01:57:13 the clown show, let him sit in his steakhouse looking living room and, and get drunk. Why not? And drink to death. Yeah. I mean, if he is going to keep shooting people accidentally,
Starting point is 01:57:23 then he probably should stop drinking. But if he's, if he's not going to leave his home and it's just, you know, he drinks himself to death and that's what he feels like doing, well, I guess if he's not harming nobody, then fine. It's your right as an American. Sure, yeah. But yeah, I mean, hearing Marge say, I just assumed it was some of my business, that that is such a Schwarzwalder-y line. And that the main character doesn't even know who Marge is it's also nobody's told me your name yet if this were um if he were a real cowboy actor though I you know I didn't quite believe this scene because if he were uh he would have laid
Starting point is 01:57:56 Marge over her uh his lap and given her the spanking of her life oh yeah just like just like Rooster Cogburn would have done in, in true grit. Well, and yeah, what's the movie called? The other one with Marlene O'Hara. Oh yeah. It's the Irish one.
Starting point is 01:58:13 It's called like the quiet man. No, but he, he might slap her in that movie. There's, there's another movie where it's, I think it's called McClintock. I think it's called,
Starting point is 01:58:23 I was going to say that. Yeah. I thought you were going to say that. Yeah. I thought you were going to say that, Bob. And I cut you off. But yeah, if you look up McClintock, you will see 300 photos of John Wayne spanking Scarlett O'Hara or Marlene O'Hara, whoever the woman is in that movie. That's the poster. Wow, man.
Starting point is 01:58:44 And the quote is,cclintock is magnificent oh wow how many movies did john wayne spank women in because i he definitely spanks the girl in in true grit as well right this is when homer uh waits as as often they do when they don't know what else to do to move a plot along. Homer literally sits on the couch and waits for the TV to tell him what to do. There's 45 seconds left. Find us an ending, TV. And it also becomes a scene from the film Heat, from Michael Mann's Heat here,
Starting point is 01:59:21 as Homer demands a harebrained scheme. I'm still not giving up on Buck. There must be some harebrained half-assed way. This just in, a robbery is in progress at the National Bank of Springfield. The robbers are equipped with the latest in high-tech weaponry and body
Starting point is 01:59:37 armor. Stay back, coppers! Uh, please, everyone, stay away. We don't want anyone to be a hero. A hero. A hero. Get me Buck McCoy. Dad, I'm on the line.
Starting point is 01:59:56 There you go. Just stop this bank robbery and you'll be a hero again. I'll wait in the car. Are you crazy? I'm a movie cowboy. And you're no Howard Hawks. It hurts. But I just have one question. Do you want my son to be disappointed in you?
Starting point is 02:00:13 I just love it. He's like, well, here you go. I'll be in the car. You take care of this, buddy. After announcing the criminals have, like, high-powered rifles and body armor. Yes, yeah. It's crazy. I mean, it is really the gear they have
Starting point is 02:00:25 the crooks haven't eaten for sure yeah and and it's pretty intense they blow up a cop car like it's it's becoming gta over here i do like that uh they go as far as to uh not just imply but point out that buck is also like shooting up smack yeah oh yeah it's not just alcohol yeah he has he's doing needle drugs too yep i like that they hang a lampshade on the the only reason to do any of this is to just make an eight-year-old boy happy yeah go take on a couple of like super villain level criminals uh to make you want my son to be slightly disappointed in you like he's gonna even if you impress him he's gonna forget about you literally next week that's why when he leaves he says don't bother me again yes yeah oh man i don't know if you're gonna play
Starting point is 02:01:08 the clip but since you mentioned him like throwing the needle in the trash along with his his liquor he also tries to throw the the porno mag away yeah i don't have a clip but i love him saying like there's nothing wrong with little hey hey and he just does a little dance like it's like a crusty line really it feels weird it almost i don't know him saying like hey hey it feels like a like a late 90s sitcom joke like it feels like i'm talking downtown like it feels like that coming from homer but like unironically it's kind of it's kind of a weird joke to me you know it feels unironic until he like dances too long like that's where it feels like okay this is them being ironic about it now okay yeah they credit that to tom gamill doing that
Starting point is 02:01:51 act out in the room they say they think they remember it was him that that writer i also love i've noticed this so much in us doing seasons 13 saying stage directions aloud like bart says i feel my faith growing anew when he sees him do that but yes we as we always knew it's up to a good guy with a lasso to save the day here and uh i mean it's so funny he did all these gun tricks earlier but he's not going to shoot these guys he just walks in with two lassos swinging over his head slowly and they're shooting at the lassos not at him yes yeah it's going right through it it's the ultimate weapon uh and they all three of the crooks wait very long for him to do a lasso trick with with their guns to knock them out and also give snake a super
Starting point is 02:02:39 wedgie that knocks him unconscious as well and then of course i do love that again stage directions the cop the police say slink away boys slink away though obviously in real life the cops would not have as much shame to slink away from failing to stop a shootout they would instead of shot buck in the back and claim self-defense and cover it up and then harass the simpsons family of course after the event ended see nothing yeah they would have waited for buck to finish handling the problem and then shot him dead yes shot him dead and say no actually he was one of the shooters too we saw him we were looking for a key to the bank uh see again this joke about bad cops it makes the mistake of thinking cops have shame you know that, that's their biggest mistake.
Starting point is 02:03:26 But yes, it's time for Buck to ride off into the sunset. Wow. That sure made us look bad. Snick away, boys. Snick away. Buck, you're my hero again. Aren't you forgetting someone?
Starting point is 02:03:44 Well, there's Krusty, Itchy, Scratchy, Poochy, America's Firefighters, and then you, Dad. And don't you forget it. Goodbye, Bart. Never bother me again. And then another 30 seconds of music play yeah uh i really feels like that america's firefighters thing was a post 9-11 adr very much so i agree yeah yeah but that whole delivery it still feels very like tongue in tongue in cheek it still feels like he's doing a commercial acting gig america's firefighters you
Starting point is 02:04:26 know no it's not played as realistically as nancy would have done that delivery in season three for sure yeah just the homer's like and don't you forget it ends in a big hug and he runs hot and yes yeah i love buck saying like never bother me again meaning he will not be in another episode yeah this ending reminds me of a better version of the same ending they did on king of the hill we covered it it's the uh how to fire a rifle without really trying where they win the day and they walk off into the sunset but they have to find their car so instead of walking off to the sunset they're just kind of walking back and forth and like asking each other questions this is kind of the same idea like he rides off into the sunset
Starting point is 02:05:01 but then where does he go that's so but i think the king of the hill one is a little better that's so funny because i literally have in my notes him going into the house and then bringing a bag of trash back to the curb to throw it away while the mute while the triumphant music is still playing i was like it's a great joke and it reminds me of a king of the hill joke and that's probably what i was thinking of now yeah the king of the hill one is is i i think played a little better but this one is great especially that it ends with him looking out his window seemingly knowing he's being watched by us and he's like go away but and then of course bart is being chased by the dog once more so uh his dog problems are back as well at the end i but yeah buck buck gets to
Starting point is 02:05:42 ride off in the sunset he's uh and yeah i uh dennis weaver himself would ride off in the sunset just four years later after this episode r.i.p so great performance yeah great performance seemingly a pretty great guy that dennis weaver too uh i i miss him now i you know i'm gonna pull up that old 2b app and watch some mcleod there's there's 40 so mcleod was a tv movie style show so it was the nbc mystery movie right so so every episode is like over an hour sometimes over two hours so when i say there's 45 episodes over seven seasons it really is more like 180 just yeah 180 half there's like 80 columbos but they're all movies right right right but yeah
Starting point is 02:06:25 when i'm going into this one i thought like oh it's the one everyone hates and it's going to be bad but actually i did kind of like it and there are some pretty shocking jokes in this one but i also walked away appreciating dennis weaver because he's great in this role he's every line reading is so funny they're normally not getting this kind of guest actor on the show at this time so it was just fun to hear that kind of flavor in his voice and performance yeah it's no one really famous i mean he's a legend but nobody knew about him in 2002 but yeah i i did like it i don't think it deserves to be as hated as it as it usually is and i thought i would hate it yeah i i thought i'd like this one last one we got to too but it's uh funny jokes good guest star there are certainly better episodes of
Starting point is 02:07:06 bart makes a new famous friend for sure but though honestly i'd rather see him hang out with buck mccoy than jay leno and yeah i mean also i i for historical purposes and i think al jean was thinking of this when he got dennis weaver on the show they knew they were approaching gun smoke numbers uh i bet though they wouldn't have thought they'd surpass gun smoke really but having on a star of gun smoke on the show when they will eventually surpass gun smoke is a cool kind of like almost past the torch type dealy on it too which which i really like as well so yeah this uh this was a fun episode that also made me appreciate the old west. What do you think, Alex?
Starting point is 02:07:49 Yeah, well, I do have a newfound appreciation for our elders, which I think are our nation's greatest treasure, to be sure. I really don't like the dog stuff. I think the dog stuff is just not funny and way too silly. It's not Looney Tunes enough,
Starting point is 02:08:04 if that's what they're going for but everything else is great i i do like the inside sort of entertainment showbiz jokes and i love the animation is uh spectacular on this episode what like some of the best animation i've ever seen on the show i i would say yeah it was it was very fun to re-watch and it gave us a lot of time to talk about yellowstone surprisingly yeah i'm learning so much uh but thanks for being on the show alex please tell us where we can find you online and more about your podcast on minion death cults oh yeah well thank you so much for having me on uh again big fan of talking simpsons and you guys uh thank you thank you yeah you can find
Starting point is 02:08:39 minion death cult uh wherever you listen to podcasts or at minion death cult.com uh we are a politics and comedy podcast uh that covers what big big big scare quotes normal people are saying in uh comment sections across the internet uh mostly in right-wing spaces we we love to learn how uh right-wing internet users are processing the politics around them this This is often cringe. It's often very, you find out a lot about these people that they share, that they sublimate into their politics. And it's also, I don't know, informative, but we do try to keep it pretty light. You know, I'm a UPS driver. I'm a teamster. I've been, you know, involved in unions for like 16 years. So we try to give like, you know, working class politics perspective on a lot of the stuff we talk about,
Starting point is 02:09:31 you know, for like people who haven't read theory, because I sure haven't. And my co host, Tony is a like local activist and organizer. And also his half of his family is white so there's a lot of fun traumatic stuff that he stories that he brings to the table and i also talk about uh customer interactions that i'm able to get away with because i have union protection over my job nice that's right awesome alex is a teamster you can't see this at home but he's doing the entire podcast laying down i should show you this look at this this sign one of my friends gave me. It's like a pop-up sign from the 1970s that I keep in the studio. It's like this weird type of sign they have that's like three-dimensional,
Starting point is 02:10:17 where the words are like, they stick out, and it says, Quiet, please, union shop. And then it shows a union guy with z's coming out of his mouth while a distressed manager looks on helpless oh love that that is a classic 70s meme man see if people you know today's unions they need to lean into that more and say like yeah it lets you be lazy and tell your boss fuck off like. Like, yeah, that's what unions are for. It's what we all want. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:10:47 You know what? Maybe, well, it's a far off episode, but certainly, you know, your perspective would be very helpful in some of the classic union slash anti-teamster almost episodes of Simpsons that exist. I would love to add my mouth of a teamster to any of those episodes. Nice. But thank you so much, Alex. Thank you, Alex. Thank you. that exists. I would love to add my mouth of a teamster to any of those episodes. Nice. But thank you so much, Alex. Thank you, Alex. Thank you.
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