Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - The Mansion Family With Toby Jones

Episode Date: September 23, 2020

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and this is our chronological exploration of The Simpsons, who is here with me today, as always. Hey, it's Henry Gilbert, and I'm putting all my money on Furious George. And who do we have on the line? Hi, I am teen sensation Toby Jones. And today's episode is The Mansion Family. Don't worry about a thing. We'll take good care of your house. Look at me.

I'm a billionaire! Today's episode aired on January 23rd, 2000, and as always, Henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real-world history. Oh my god! Oh boy, Bobby! My local team, the Jacksonville Jaguars, lose big in the AFC Championship to the Tennessee Titans, Rage Against the Machine plays on Wall Street and briefly shuts it down. And Mario Party 2 is released on the Nintendo 64.

It's the game that won't disable your joints and tendons. Yes, Mario Party 2 is the game. Box art is the one of Mario in a cowboy costume. You get the finger guns. Yep. Yeah, they're all wearing cute costumes that one i think it's a fan favorite among the mario party aficionados i think the second one is beloved and it is the one that removed the hand a hand and joystick can destroying uh mini games yeah i want to believe that was not cynical they're like here's what you can do with

analog stick right and they didn't expect kids to like game the system you know yeah and i think they even had a lawsuit threatened on yeah they had to distribute uh gloves the special uh mario party gloves this is not a joke they had to do it i wore out the inside of my palm and then only i had control that sounded gross no but i really did that was my brother when i was trying to do it with the thumb he was like uh no you put your whole palm over the stick analog stick and just spin it as fast as you can. Until you create that N64 dust and you freebase it. It's sort of like hammering the power pad with your hands. Actually, when kids were first using the Nintendo game pad, they were being diagnosed with what doctors are calling Nintendo thumb.

Because we just weren't used to holding control like that. And I know when I first got a Nintendo, I played it for so long that I did get blisters. Like literally got blisters on my thumbs from playing it because my soft hands were not used to that sharp plastic. It's getting hard work. It's getting calluses from a job well done. Are we Mario Party enjoyers or haters here? Never liked it.

Never liked it. I had some good times in mario party i i haven't bought one in uh four eight or eight i think eight was maybe i probably reviewed ten i'm a long time lover of the of the mario party franchise i've played every single one i have a lot of memories growing up of playing specifically the only the 50 turn mario party games so we play for hours and hours and hours and just slowly go insane. So that was part of the fun. It is kind of torture. Obviously the franchise has seen better days. Super

Mario Party was a step in the right direction, but I think we really need a leap in the right direction. I'm always hoping for my next hit of Mario Party. Mario Party fans are what I call friend-havers, and that's not my bag. I honestly think their attempts to streamline it kind of go against the grain of

what mario party is supposed to be it needs to be a giant time waste to tear your family and friends apart yeah it needs to be miserable and destructive and arbitrary and if it's not bad it's nothing yeah just like monopoly and other physical board games that tear families apart a digital one needs to do the same and you you just mentioned in the news the Jaguars, as you were probably saying in Florida, in the Floridian tongue. I always said Jaguars. Jaguar.

Jaguar, yes. Get the Jaguar. So this means we're two weeks away from the Super Bowl in the Simpsons timeline, but Simpsons didn't have a Super Bowl episode this year, so they won't have anything. No rerun of the Denver Broncos. I think they did.

I should double check that before our next episode. But yeah, the AFC Championship game, it was a big deal for the Jaguars because they were a relatively new team into early 2000. If they'd won the AFC Championship, they'd have been in the Super Bowl. Wow. But instead they lost it to what would become their great rivals, the Tennessee Titans. And then the Titans would go on to lose to the Rams in the Super Bowl. The Jaguars have not been in an AFC Championship game again until three years ago when they lost to the Patriots.

But they're still the Patriots. So good times. They're still beautiful big cats. And, of course, the Rage Against the Machine shutting down Wall Street. You may have seen this in the Sleep Now in the Fire music video, if you remember the Michael Moore. It's the Michael Moore directed one, which you'll know because Michael Moore appears in it multiple times. Just to let you know, Michael Moore directed one, which you'll know because Michael Moore appears in it multiple times.

Just to let you know, Michael Moore directed that Rage Against the Chief. He's like Hitchcock. You can't miss him in those shots, right? Yes, yeah. He's pretty iconic. I mean, they almost got arrested for trying to. They played an impromptu performance in front of the big Wall Street building, and they were threatened with arrest but were not and so uh yeah it's a it's a it's a memorable video about how you know uh you know bush and gore the same dude and you never talk about that kind of thing now no way it's a very different time 20 years ago

hey anyway toby welcome back to the show pearl pal toby jones always a pleasure thank you for having me to talk about this exceptionally noteworthy episode from uh season 11 yeah we we last had you on with uh with ian jones qwerty to talk about the first episode or the first premiering episode yeah that kicked off our season one revisit which i believe everybody loved and it was all thanks to you you brought us the goodwill we needed to pitch that to our audience. Hell yeah. Yeah, that was a great listen. I loved all the season one new episodes.

And I mean, Toby, did you have specific memories from watching this back in 2000? You must've been seeing this one live. It gets a little fuzzy here. Season 11 was my time when I was growing up as a teen that I was starting to kind of lose uh, lose interest a little bit.

I was watching it a little more intermittently. I was much more into your South parks, your family guys, your clerks, your Darius, your Dilbert's all the other primetime shows were, were, you know, seeming like greener grass at the time. Uh, but I did, I did catch this episode. I think I caught it as a rerun in the summer and some of these episodes at the time, they just kind of bummed me out a little bit. You know, there's a little bit,

they seemed a little bit cynical, a little bit mean. I remember watching the Focus Inn episode and as a kid growing up with ADD, I was kind of like, I don't know about this one. And so this one, same deal. I watched it and of course, a lot of these episodes actually still have some pretty memorable and great jokes in them.

And in fact, this is a super weird detail, but the joke later in the episode where Homer shows his invitation for a box social, I made a replica of that for my graduation party in high school. So I still have some connection to the episode, even if it's not one of my all-time favorites. This one, I don't know why. Maybe I just watched it a lot when I recorded it. Maybe it was syndicated a lot in my area. But I have so much of this episode memorized. And I was laughing out loud, very loudly in my apartment for some of these lines. I'm a sucker for burn stuff.

And there's a lot of great burn stuff. This is a very Swartz Welder-y episode. And I think it is one of the greats of this season, even though it contains one of Homer's most vile acts as a human being. Absolutely, yeah. Yeah, i remembered some of the meme stuff in this oh lots of meme stuff came out of this one too it's true it's true but but yeah my strongest memories from watching this fresh in 2000 unfortunately were like my simpsons fan grumbles especially about the vile act you just uh alluded to that was the moment i was like

i don't like this like i didn't like that moment but there's this is a strong episode in season 11 terms for sure and uh i do value it because like uh the tail end of season 11 there's some dark times ahead i mean uh behind the laughter is the light at the end of that tunnel folks we're gonna get through it when you're gonna help us but uh. But it's good there's a bright spot here. Next week is Saddlesore Galactica. The week after that is Alone Again Natural Diddly. So correct me if I'm wrong. You also have the Florida episode coming up, right?

Kill the alligator and run. Yeah, kill the gator and run. Yeah, I mean, people assumed, and I will rub this in their faces, they assumed Principal and the Pauper would destroy us. We we overcame it and we proved to you it was good i can't i can't say we'll do the same for these future episodes but uh we love talking about it no matter the quality of what we're talking about i think we're gonna uh maybe shine some new light on these things but yeah this episode is swartz weldery as hell like it's it's late in his writing stuff i mean he's still gonna

write for another few years on the show but this uh i mean this is so full of wacky burns isms there's me and bob watched a couple of the deleted scenes in this that i was like man these are good there's two like good swartz weldery jokes too that they cut out just for time and though apparently the the oldest person in town thing comes from mike scully's own life too that they cut out just for time and though apparently the the oldest person in town thing comes from mike scully's own life too that his grandma was the oldest person in town that's right and she was given a cane like a golden cane or a cane with a golden tip but they wouldn't inscribe her name on it until after she died it's so cruel yeah yeah it it seems just like a weird tradition of like you only get it if after you die it will

we put your name on the thing which is so mean like just let her and see it when she's alive and also tell the oldest person like it as we all know when you're dead this is what we're gonna do and the uh the medical stuff is based on john swartz welder's actual life because john swartz welder i mean wasn't a lot of the character ron swanson from parks and rec based on him i feel pretty sure yeah but it's like he was a smoker i mean he's still alive thankfully he's a smoker he basically just eats nothing but red meat doesn't take care of his health has all these very weird ideas about exercise like his idea of exercise is once a day he runs as fast as he can to get the mail and back yeah and that's all he has to do

and because he has simpsons money like every couple of years four or five years he would go to the mayo clinic to get a full checkup on everything with the best doctors and that was his way of keeping his health in check but like not you know maintaining a diet a regular exercise just going to the best doctors every five years to get himself checked in the dream i i mean those yeah this this commentary is has a lot of Schwarzwalder stories like that when you hear all these comedy writers sharing all these stories about Schwarzwalder like you can see how so many characters on comedies connected to the Simpsons end up with Schwarzwalder type characters yeah I think one of the, maybe it was Jennifer Crittenden, she left The Simpsons

and she was pitching ideas about Kramer that were from Swartzwelder's own life. And they're like, that's too crazy. Yes, that's right. It might not have been her. It was somebody that left The Simpsons and went to Seinfeld, but she's one of them. I think you're right.

It was her, yeah. Also, it sounds like he was a total troll in the writer's room. Yeah, for all these fancy Harvard boys. Right, yeah. Including, for all these fancy Harvard boys. Right, yeah. Including, I mean, they tell the story on there of just like, they said that my smoking actually improved my health.

Or him saying like, scientifically, there's more rainforest now than there ever have been. All these kind of statements just to really get a rise out of a bunch of Hollywood liberal writers. And basically so talented we said this a billion times but so talented that they let him work from home after the california smoking ban in like 1994 when he couldn't smoke in the office anymore like work from home drive your insane giant car to our studio every week to drop stuff off and you're fine i've heard that legend many times and apparently he i think he doesn't he have like a diner booth built in his house or something that he that he works From I remember hearing that somewhere yeah when that same

Smoking ban happened in California in The mid 90s he basically Had he used to write all of his stuff in like This one diner and essentially he had That installed in his apartment or house To simulate the experience and I know I miss working from outside my House so much during quarantine that I'm

Thinking of doing the same thing like building like a little mini coffee shop in a corner of my living room at this point. I mean, I'm at the point now that I miss like inconveniences that made me upset from before quarantine for quarantine. I miss like being pissed, waiting in line and just being inconvenienced in miserable ways. Now that's how bad it's gotten.

I miss, I miss being in a line at AMC theaters and thinking, like, look at those people in their fancy fast line. I hate them so much. And also, yeah, this episode directed by Jim Reardon, who is still supervising director, so I guess it was standard then

you'd still direct one or two. I have Michael Polcino as the director of this one. Oh, okay. You know what? He's the next one. Sorry, I mixed that up. Because I actually have a little bit of a director's corner for him. still directs one or two i have michael pulcino as the director of this one you know what he's the next one sorry i mixed that up because i actually have a little bit of a director's corner for him this is his first directing one yeah that's right so no it's okay i'll go into this it's very simple so michael pulcino uh obviously brother of dominic pulcino he had

been directing on the simpsons since um he directed his first episode was sideshow bob's last gleaming last one was lard of the Michael, his brother, still directing as of season 31. He joined the show in season three as a character layout artist on Bart the Murderer. And throughout the 90s, he'd be gone for a few years here and there working on other things. But he basically didn't go anywhere after the year 2000. He's just been on The Simpsons for the past almost 21 years now. He never did the ceremonial hopping over to King of Hill for a while or anything like that.

I think I might've seen like one King of the Hill credit, but just like, I think if you're at Film Roman, you were just available for other stuff, it seemed. It seems like if you are free one two week period on The Simpsons, King of the Hill would give you something to do, like, yeah. And yeah, so 20 years on The Simpsons, directing a lot of episodes. One interesting fact I have about him is that like a lot of the hill would give you something to do like yeah and yeah so 20 years on the simpsons directing a lot of episodes uh one interesting fact i have about him is that like a lot of the mission hill

directors that we covered one of his first things was that dare special the land of decisions and choices wow man that uh that thing again yeah that popped up like three times in our director's corners on talking mission hill our patreon only mini series about mission hill but yeah for some reason a lot of the same people maybe they're all from like the same class at cal arts or something or who knows maybe they all just worked on that because they knew each other i definitely watched at the moment i heard about it in your mission hill podcast and it's super fascinating it's uh amazing to see like dare dare could just hire claskey chupo to make a simpsons rugrats mashup basically but but about saying no to living cigarettes

and bottles of beer. So that's like how all the people who were at the Sex Pistols show started a band. It's like that kind of story, except for a dare special. Those Pulcino brothers, they are a strong part of primetime animation for years. I mean, Dominic, I i guess is more prolific i think

he because he made it up to like supervising director level on yeah like uh and rick and morty and harman quest and things like that but uh yeah michael's just been on the simpsons for the past 20 years which is not a just been on the simpsons it's a very important show to be on for that long and as far as i know he's still on it i think the last episode that he was credited was a march of 2021 so presumably unless he left and i didn't know what he'll be on for the next season which is 32 i believe i would assume he's on production 32 yeah yeah which uh they're they're still plugging away it seems like it's going as the same as usual i i hate to brag again but i think we got one of the last uh table reads i'll probably ever do i would think yeah

we went to a 32 table read back in january right november november wow what is time it's part of that listing of like remembering the last couple of months of things you did being like oh i'm glad i got to do that before everything went away like i just think about like foods i ate with friends the last week or like the fact that i did karaoke i'm like yeah i'm glad i got that in you know before it was too late i basically went to a table read in i basically went to like every sort of indoor gathering possible like a concert a comedy show and a movie all like a week before it was uh good timing on my part on both of us in february we did disneyland disneyland we both went to disneyland yeah and and i went to that live uhpo Trap House show too, which now I think back like, boy, we were all just shaking each other's hands.

That was like two weeks before. You know what? Anyway, so yeah, this episode, well, I do like the opening couch gag of just they have a new design for Kid Homer. I always like when they don't just pull out an old Kid Homer design. I like how it looks in that. And his weird Maggie doll because they can't down age Maggie. So Homer has a Maggie doll.

Oh, yeah. That is weird. Yeah. It's an all yellow one. There's not clothes on the doll. That's odd. Yes. Yeah.

It feels vaguely unfinished. And then the episode goes straight into more another hallmark of the Scully years, though not that the Simpsons didn't do it before Scully. But so many like direct Hollywood business parody stuff like this is what it's like to be at the Emmys. You know, like that definitely seems to be the feeling of this opening bit here. Toby, you've probably been to a few award shows in your time, right? Yes. Well, I've been to not the emmys exactly but the creative arts emmys which is where all of the scum of the earth who make cartoons go they get their own their own

other emmys and and at the creative arts emmys they don't have seat fillers but they just basically politely ask people to scoot forward uh as the night goes on because you know once your thing doesn't get an emmy you leave and you don't want to hang out in there for another four or five hours as all this goes on. I like to stay sometimes because it's pretty it's pretty interesting. But like basically they're like, please scoot forward into a lower row so that the ones that are on camera appear filled is basically what they do. Oh, wow, man. Hollywood secrets. Well, those those creative art Emmys, like I only know them as the clips they show on the regular Emmys, but they now broadcast the whole things, don't they?

I think they're more available now. I think they do. I think it might be streaming. I think one year it might have aired on FXX or something. I have a vague memory of like telling my mom like, hey, you can try to find it if you go to this channel. And look, it's not like it's not nice and it's not cool. Like the meal afterward can be a lot of fun and the food can be really good and it's like a pretty cool party uh you know obviously excuse to get dressed up uh but i haven't been nominated for an emmy in a long

time i heard it's a it's a pleasure just to be nominated isn't that true oh absolutely absolutely yes of course unless you're okay ko in which case you've never been nominated i'll be bitter about that for the rest of my life we We should boycott these Emmys. That's a great idea. Let's do that. No, wait, no, please nominate me for stuff. The closest I got to those creative art Emmys was, or an Emmy event was, I was at the LA Live area in 2013

for a pro wrestling video game event, because that's also where SummerSlam was happening. And one, it was the Saturday beforehand, I believe. And I was just, I finished something. It was just hanging around.

And I just see people walking around LA live or sitting at tables with Emmys on them. And I'm like, that's a person with Emmy winner, right? Just cutting their steak with it. But, But yes, this award show is an excuse to bring in the then quite recently famous Britney Spears. And I'll play the clip first before we get into all of the Britney things.

Hello, I'm Kent Brockman. And I'm teen sensation Britney Spears. And I'm Kent Brockman. With Britney Spears. And we're here to present the 65th Annual Spring Field Pride Awards. Tonight, we'll be recognizing outstanding members of the Springfield community. This is my year, March. Everyone knows I'm what makes this city great.

I don't know. There's a lot of buzz around Lenny. Love this joke. Our first Springfield Pride Award goes to a local legend, a man who brings laughter and joy to the children of Springfield. With his big red nose and baggy pants. Krusty the Clown! Hey, hey!

Who are you? Seat filler. I like that little, I kept in that final one of Homer sitting on the floor yeah yeah great pose on Lenny I've seen that memed a lot so good I always forget it's from this episode they're having a lot of fun with Lenny in season 11 because they're like who is Lenny

let's let's like go into this who is this character we're only a few episodes removed from not Lenny and I was just wondering about that yeah that's like I feel like that's the Lenny joke that acknowledges the lenny character and his place in the world yeah we talked to john viti uh in an interview and he was describing like i'm the creator of lenny and carl but they're just like two extra people homer needed to talk to they had no characters yeah they in those original season one scripts there's so many times where homer has to talk to another person and they

didn't decide who they were like in the pre lenny and carl episodes he's just talking to other guys who like never appear again and they all are just in radiation suits lenny lenny and carl though stuck because they were just named dudes and also their voices are funny hank and harry do funny voices for the guys and yeah they just the lenny the shot of lenny with his steeple fingers looking like the very serious actor waiting to find out if they're gonna get the oscar like that's really great the simpsons will be right back back welcome to the break everybody big thank you to our guest toby jones this week for helping us

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at patreon.com slash talking simpsons yeah so britney spears here she is i wasn't aware of this but like right after i watched this and took notes i listened to a podcast that uh for whatever reason things were just happening with her in her instagram and stuff and they brought this up and i was like this is what's going on with britney spears i had no idea yeah you're saying you're saying that there was recently new additional stuff going on with brit Spears? Yes, yeah. So at the time of this recording, which is on July 16th, there was some new stuff going on with the hashtag Free Britney Movement, which if you haven't been paying attention to it,

you just know Britney Spears is like, yeah, that singer from when I was young, who I guess still does stuff. Like her life sounds like it sucks uh allegedly uh these but but so if you guys remember in 2008-09 when everybody was like britney spears is going crazy she shaved her head all that stuff i watched meet the spartans i've seen it yeah uh yeah the in the in the leave britney alone response stuff all that that was when she was going through, you know, a tough time in her life, which also included, like, battles over the custody of her children, divorce, all these things. And she also wanted to stop performing.

And the alleged situation is that because of her, you know, imbalanced episode she was having that her management which included family members successfully got the courts to put her under a conservatorship which basically put her in a situation that not unlike what she was in as a teen which is they have complete control of her career and her money and all these things. Like, so the last decade of her career, more than that, Britney Spears has been forced to perform and do all these things. Well, not forced, but instructed to do all these things by a conservatorship that has all the money she can't touch. And it just sounds like a very bad situation for britney spears and uh there's rumors that you know people of these letters she wrote in 2008 about how controlled she is and how

she's in a worse place now than then and how her family her father is now has a restraining order against her children and like it means maybe she can't see her kids it's it's just incredibly messy and there's these just like i mean who knows what has happened since then when you're listening to this but there's just been these really haunting videos she's put on our instagram just like what is happening with this woman is she okay yeah it's uh it's bad it seems like a very bad scene for brittany spears i just feel i feel bad for her even if under the conservatorship it seems to imply that like she has mental health issues that would make her need supervision but even if that is the case if we were to believe that side of it I don't think it's healthy that a person with those problems is made to perform all the time and constantly earn money

for people like he should probably be taken care of in some other way but uh yeah so that was the that's the free britney hashtag i uh rabbit hole i fell down and i hope things are better now in september when you're listening to this yeah it's one of those things and i don't know how it is now but certainly when it was all starting in the in the in the 2000s you know there was this feeling that people were getting a lot of pleasure from watching this person fall apart you know oh yeah and that was something that was very very difficult to stomach because it's just the thing that always happens where it's like given enough time a popular thing when the people start to grow out of it they actually turn on it and it's not enough to like move on from it they must see it destroyed you know and so it's very painful i don't i don't know what the tone

is around it right now but it was very hard to watch then yeah i mean south park is right about 17 of the time and this is one of the things that they were right about like we must destroy this the beautiful young woman we hate her now yeah and then everybody what is using her and making her life worse like i mean she's but also like i i think if she has any any you know mental health issues i would think that probably stems from being famous your literally entire life and never having a childhood and having every single person talk about every piece of your body every second that you exist i. Who could stay sane in that kind of world? I mean, the free Britney people have all kinds of theories. And I mean, some of them seem valid.

Like she could have had like late onset mental illness, like schizophrenia or something, things that don't really emerge until you're in your 20s. And then like the people you're making money for, like she can't stop making money. You got to put her in a gilded cage and trot her out, drug her up, trot her out, make her dance, put her back in the cage.

That's what it seems like to me. But I don't know the truth. But it seems very likely that could be the tragic case behind all this. And to bring it back to this episode of The Sims. Oh, yeah. Humor, comedy. Well, on the commentary, they bring up that, like, she had very intense management at the recording. Like, on the commentary, they almost feel like they're about to make fun of Brittany

and, like, mock her, as people did in 2008. There is a joke. They're like, oh, by the way, she was sober for this. Oh, God. It was right after the Leave Brittany Alone stuff, probably, like, 2009-ish, when they recorded these commentaries. I don't know how much we want to get into the scene, of course, but the scene in which Brittany appears is kind of its own whole thing.

Cause it's like, because firstly it's the usual season 11 thing of like, wow, isn't the celebrity, the coolest person ever. The celebrity is so much cooler than all of our characters. And then it becomes the much more uncomfortable thing of like, wow,

she's so sexy. And it's like, yeah. Well that, yeah. Especially the sexual thing. Like she, I do not believe when this aired she was 18

yet like because i am a i think i'm like around exactly the same age as her you know bob why don't you google that i see your hands but i she was if she even was 18 that still is like yeah that's too but i mean that they're making jokes about how about how she was so heavily marketed as that at 16. Yeah, she was 18. Okay, she was 18. All right. Yeah. But still, even then, she's like, just 18?

Like, yeah. That's weird. And in the behind the scenes story they told of like, they had her say, I'm teenage songbird, Britney Spears. And then they said the management like immediately got in their face like hey you're making fun of her with that that must be some sort of joke no so she says sensation she says teen sensation yeah i mean she doesn't get a lot to do in here the only thing i don't like is that like the caricature of her isn't very good i i think nina says this a lot uh she does like a lot of great art and stuff and she says that a lot of

artists are afraid to caricature women you women because it could make them uglier. Sure. You want to be a little more sensitive about those things, but it also often leads to a worse caricature of a person. If you show me this drawing, I wouldn't immediately say, oh yeah, Britney Spears. They could have said that's Christina Aguilera at any second. Yeah. Yeah, that's her too. Yeah, it's not the best drawing of her other

than they have her in one of her music video outfits like she is recognizable to that extent and and they got britney spears at a at like the right time for her yeah like honestly she was too famous for the simpsons like four months after this because i looked at the timeline of her singles and stuff so uh hit me baby one more time her first hit single which uh now to watch it i'm like i feel like i should be in jail watching it uh but it's the catholic school girl costume one but that was in catholic school every day was like that but that's uh november 1998 and when she appeared in this in January 2000, it's just two months away from the debut single. Oops.

I did it again. We can definitely thank Mike Scully's daughters for getting Britney Spears and NSYNC. Cause I'm sure he wouldn't even know about this stuff. I think from now on, I want to start disparagingly calling people songbirds and see how they feel. Hey songbird. Hey.

I'm a sensation. Maybe that means something worse in the Disney club of the kid. I don't know. I would have called her a chanteuse. It's a word no one ever gets to use. It'd be funny to hear her say that. Yeah. I think also you mentioned there his daughters.

I believe he said she was nice to his daughters that day so i think i think this was one of the days scully called in his daughters like hey dad's meeting britney spears come on down which i'd want to show off for them and uh yeah i so she i think she's as funny as she can be with the stuff they wrote for her like i the weirdest thing to me though is how much they she's in this way more than i thought she was or i remember yeah me too and there's multiple joke phases there's the joke phase of her and kent brockman finishing the sentence which is pretty funny and then it kind of goes into the whole other joke phase with the uh with the old man and everyone being horny i do like the gag they're making with brockman that is like whenever an older

established person is is at an award show next to the new hot thing you do kind of get the feel they're mad that they're next to a person they think they're more famous than like you know if you see say warren baity next to some younger person they're like i'm warren baity i'm the biggest thing in town kent realizing like if we talk at the same time i can get all the applause like that's good and i really love the design of the springfield pride award too the jebediah statue is really great yeah like uh they don't actually use jebediah that often in the series so it's cool to see some recognition of han sprungfeld and and they redesign his pointing finger to a thumbs up on it too i really like that and also i think when this joke happened i

had heard of the idea of seat fillers by that point i and ironically the golden globes also happened the same night as this episode of simpsons apparently the seat fillers off off also take over your husbandly duties like he puts his arm around marge and marge isn't against it she's a handsome man yeah it's genuinely very funny and if you want to know what won that night of the golden globes well denzel washington won for the hurricane uh beating out uh some guy in the movie American Beauty and um and and Hilary Swank won big uh for uh Boys Don't Cry which she'd go on to win the Oscar for that too that's Hilary's issue of Swank uh I remember when you could watch American Beauty and ever think it was good it wasn't but said important things about how how sad it is to be bored yeah bored in middle class could there be a worse

existence i hate my job i that i will have forever boo i would be very curious to revisit the movie now because i saw it when i was you know when it came out so i was probably what 14 or something and when you're 14 that shit fucking rocks oh yeah i have no idea how i would feel now that the entire world has collapsed uh and i do not care about the follies of rich people anymore yeah and uh and also you know kevin spacey as well of course let's we forget the kevin spacey of it all but but it does fit with bob's rule of kevin spacey movies you can re-watch which is if he dies in it yeah it's safe yes bug's life still safe uh but yes as the awards go on homer is getting more and more angry at not winning he then takes uh lisa does what lisa does a lot of these season which is point out plot holes in the episode which is including remembering

homer did win a grammy yeah i do enjoy that uh when we point out the flaws of these episodes the writers also understand them as well there's like a joke on the commentary of like oh what are what is margin lisa's subplot oh they clean yes yeah and yeah homer then says he doesn't want a grammy it's worthless and then there's a rare moment on the show where text on screen references the writers of the show who also hate think the grammys do not count which i i think it's uh i think all the grammy bashing just is the like nothing that's good ever wins or that it seems very out of touch they're better uh sings the blues didn't win a grammy 10 years ago uh the joke surprised me with the way that it broke the

reality but i did laugh but but it also did feel like a throwback in a way because the mentioning that homer won a grammy kind of just reminds you of like oh yeah and in that b sharps episode they also said grammys are worthless yeah they they do they're doing a lot more callbacks in these ones aren't they yeah yeah i well we've been saying it since season nine of like they're feeling the weight of history on them as they're writing this show like and the next episode has the most clear signpost to how they're hating the weight of history of the simpsons on them with the worst episode ever moment but yeah the show feels like it's very uh definitely very ambivalent and uncomfortable with its past during this era because in the same episode it will be doing cute references back to past stuff while also shitting on people who kind of care too much about uh the history of the show at the same time yeah they they kind of want to have it both

ways i guess but you know what i'm looking up because i was like i know the sings the blues didn't win a grammy but it wasn't even nominated and for like i was like what it was the best comedy album in the early 90s for like three years in a row for four years in a row this guy named pdq bach uh sorry peter peter shickle uh he won like four years in a row for playing this character named pdq bach what and i've never heard uh he we were! Yeah, this is completely new to me, and there's like a giant Wikipedia page on it, but please, if you're in the comments, let us know who PDQ Bach is,

because this was the best comedy shit you could get between 1990 and 1994, and I've never heard of it. I mean, I'm surprised we haven't heard of it previously. This looks like the exact kind of thing they would have made a joke about on The Critic. Yeah! Yeah, especially if they were trying to score points against somebody who beat them for an award like they they often did i feel like it's for the uh like the npr sets that kind of

humor just like soft and gentle like garrison keeler-y like you're laughing but you're also smart uh don't worry actually you know this season ends with another grammy joke in behind the laughter where the simpsons win like best hard rock death metal album thing i mean that this that kind of hate of the grammys feels very specific to you know scully's 70 rock type of guy that he is that he really uh he hates that all of his favorite rockers didn't get to win grammys that were won by like judas priest losing out to uh some pan flute album or something all right now it's time for old timey jokes because the oldest person in springfield's gonna win an

award you know kent in today'sessed culture, we sometimes forget that older people are still alive. I told you! Well, sorry. And that's why our final award honors a man who's lived in Springfield for 108 years, our oldest resident, Cornelius Chapman. Cornelius Chapman built the first log cabin in Springfield and introduced the toothbrush to our fair city.

For years, he was Springfield's only basketball player, but he still managed to entertain the crowd. In the market crash of 1929, he helped people jump out of windows to avoid disgrace. You're doing the right thing. Oh, oh, out you go. avoid disgrace you're doing the right thing no no turning back now off a tall building that's a great way to do it oh man i guess i guess it makes it easier that he dies when he's actually he's actually a monster right he's he's encouraging people to kill themselves yeah that's pretty cruel though i mean i don't know if they're stock market robber barons.

Influencing people to kill themselves is not good. No, I'm not saying that. That's a great way to do it. Again, I say it every time. Suicide is nothing to joke about. But the runners of Moe's suicidal tendencies were pretty funny. And for whatever reason, he doesn't understand that that's one of the more common stereotypical suicide that's true things is jumping off of a thing yeah i think the fact that home the fact that mo is so excited about it is what what kind

of buys it a little bit it's like he's just really he's very pleased by this idea it's finally like it just dawns on him yeah i i wish cornelius chapman was cornelius talmadge right yeah he as as appeared in season nines the two missed ossemy of a petal on yeah and him taking a bullet for huey long is a very funny joke i looked up huey long was only shot once that pissed me off to find that out i was like i've been lied to by a history joke uh but yeah huey long shot once it was actually like the guy who shot him got sw cheesed, apparently. He got shot like 60 times. And I was looking it up and it turns out there's all these theories.

Like nobody knows why that guy shot him. It sounds pretty crazy. Yeah. He was just like a normal doctor, like a regular guy. I was scared to go. I already went down the Free Britney rabbit hole. I was scared to go down another like giant conspiracy theory rabbit hole but it did sound one day yeah uh it also speaking of britney it's so weird how she says like to avoid disgrace like what a weird way thing for her to say about approving somebody

helping people commit suicide it's a very chipper way too i think though i do like the gag that he jumped in the way of one bullet out of like seven shot a guy that's just a good joke too actually that wikipedia of the facts that's another great commentary moment where they're just like they talk they're reflecting on how in the writer's room they just have a computer now they're like hey was this the fact that we're referencing oh let me look it up and they they turns out oh this isn't true so just like podcasting yes yeah and yeah it's also weird that the her management had a problem with songbird but not that britney kills someone in this like accidentally but she does kill a man it's good

for i mean she kills someone by being hot so i mean i don't see it's yeah it's one of her star qualities that's true i i love that when kent says you should have seen that coming she nods in agreement she's like yeah yeah you're right and it's extra funny that after he is kissed and killed cornelius's corpse is just on stage the rest of the scene i just like how kent shoves it out of the way with his foot the disgrace paid to this man's corpse is very funny especially when burns does this thing yes yeah so as they're trying to find out who's oldest in town i do recall my first viewing of it in 2000 i was like i already know it's burns you said 108 and burns is 104 so definitely no one else is older than him even though you know in that flying hellfish

flashback abe looks a little older than him. Yeah, that's true. I think we said Burns would have had to have been like 50 fighting in World War II or something like that. Yes, yeah. But, you know, he pissed off Edgar Hoover that much. It sent him there. But yes, as they ask all the people to stand up, when he says over 60, Flanders stands up too, which I did like that also. They kept that.

The joke of Abe standing up twice for different ages. That's pretty funny. But eventually it becomes Mr. Burns, the obvious choice. And Burns is now officially the oldest man in Springfield. This is all so sudden. Don't give me that kiss of death, you black widow. Boy, he didn't want to let go of that. Let's see, I don't have a speech prepared, but abracadabra.

Thank you all so much. I love Springfield, from the cuddliest infant to the puppies, patriotism, bluebirds. I'm not reading this drivel. This speech is over. Oh, man. So I really think that Scully is not as into Burns as previous showrunners. So Schwarzweler is bringing him back i think scully is more into like crazy dad stuff or like insider hollywood stuff and burns is not

part of either one of those venn diagrams like he does not enter into the equation so there's not a lot of burns in his season so it's always good to see him back in like he's at 11 in this episode i think i think his burns is more infantilized i I think that is his Burns. And also he doesn't say as many old timey. There's a couple of good ones in this episode, but the old timey phrase-ery of Burns is at a slide in Scully's years too. Yeah, I think he mellowed out a lot in even Oakley and Weinstein's years because he seems like a guy who is just sort of going with the flow when people tell him things.

Like I remember Homer the Smithers is like that. Just like, oh, what are my options? You can get up or you can go to bed. I believe I'll get up. There's so many things with him telling him bad news or like just facts. He just kind of rolls with it. Like, well, I don't understand what's happening.

Yeah, I guess they had to just find a new flavor after heightening his villainy to the maximum with who shot Mr. Burns. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In the Lisa Slurry episode, like it's the twist of oh he's been infantilized this whole episode and then you realize he's actually still evil but uh but yeah this he's much more of just like a neutral force in these episodes or like the last

big burns episode was the loch ness one where he's like demanding people love him like he's so needy which is not not normal for Mr. Burns either which is he even says in that episode like this isn't me like yeah it's not I do like that he pushes away Britney Spears like calls her a black widow and uh and yes then Homer Homer should be pissed as they leave the place because Snake got an award which Snake has tried to kill most people in Springfield many times that could be what the award is for we don't know most attempted murder yeah i mean he's above i sideshow bob's got a beat on that one though just just from the nuclear bomb just that oh yeah and yes then as homer uh homer just steals a statue from the event and

says he won and then we cut to burns and i really this was a great line that i had forgotten was so funny just the way the way burn says this now that i'm the town's oldest man i'm starting to realize i'm not a young man anymore i have to start taking better care of myself you know i haven't had a medicino checkup in ages sir you deserve the finest doctors in the world i'm taking you to the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota. Very well, but I'll need someone to watch my house. Who's that fellow who always screws up and creates havoc? Homer Simpson, sir.

Yes, the way I figure it, he's due for a good performance. I do like, I don't know, they always have to find a way to get homer involved and i really like this new twist on it we're just like well he's bound to do well at some point right statistically it's a burns is so bad at managerial tasks that he just says like well he's due for one right like no and just smithers is sad shrug he's he's just recognizing like well yeah the plot has to bring the simpsons into your life he knows by now it has to be homer simpson no other person would take care of his house but also like an old man doesn't need someone to take care of his house or like well i guess we have seen that burns pretty much doesn't have any like

butlers or anything it's just him and smithers in a whole he's got like a beefeater inside of his walls and people that put on plays for him but uh but no butlers close it i say it kind of works perfectly because it's just like you know obviously you just taking one of your random employees to do the house sitting is the stupidest thing ever and so it's like they solve it by making it the stupidest thing ever in the episode and it's pretty funny uh and then this also fits more with the infantilization of burns and he's like he's not evil in his choice of homer he's like stupidly naive like just very negligent yeah and uh and also yes he used the word medicino i love that as yeah i think it's more that he's not i mean like he's less evil but he's also so so rich that he just assumes everything will always work out yeah it feels like that's what

his attitude is now and and also just a statement of like now that i'm the oldest man in town i i'm starting to realize i'm not a young man anymore it feels like a very futurama style line like you immediately contradict yourself and yeah so uh they take the simpsons move in marge is very much like the she's such a nag in this episode like yeah this uh very much fits with the swartz welder way of riding marge oh yeah marge and lisa or lisa should be really have more to do i guess because it's like well how does lisa think it is to live in this opulence? Well, like, what's her stance? Like, we get one scene of her riding a pony and then she's just helping Marge

clean every room of the mansion. I mean, speaking long-term in the episode, to me, fundamentally, a big, wacky mansion is funnier than a yacht. And so it's kind of like, there could have been so much more, really. Yeah, yeah. Instead, they turn it into a party boat.

Uh, no, you're right. There's, I guess they felt like there's only enough for one act of funny mansion stuff, but which, uh, this episode called the mansion family based on the Manson family. So just sometimes I think people like, Hey, you didn't say explain the title of the episode so i confuse these titles uh so the mansion family and weekend at burnsies yeah it's just like i always get those confused in my head because weekend at burnsies describes this episode right yeah it really does way more than way more than the name of an episode about smoking medicinal marijuana you know uh but uh yes uh i also like burns uh thinking fire departments are new that reminds

me in uh the the gangs of new york film where they show the competing fire departments and how how it was before you know local governments just had one fire department and it's so i like it's so cute that burns thinks he's genuinely like helping marge like they're good yeah just like a word to the wise marge i'm helping you out and uh and homer crashes into rembrandt's self-portrait and i feel like once smithers sees that he should really just cancel the whole trip but then again i mean it burns already outvoted him on this so and uh yeah there's these jokes here about the mansion when they come back like these do remind me of uh david cross and his book had a whole section about like the things a billionaire could do if they were cool instead of you know boring and the these jokes remind me of that like how you could buy every major league baseball team and make them uh wear dresses or whatever these

all these things you could do with the ridiculous amount of money you have and you don't do it. That's what I love about these billionaire jokes in this. Yeah, like everybody gets a joke about finding something weird in the house. These all feel like Schwarzwalder things, like unchanged. Yeah, pretty much the whole middle section of the episode is like wacky blackout gags of the mansion and then wacky blackout gags at Mayo Clinic. And it actually works pretty well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Here's Homer explaining the wonders of bed technology.

Good lord, this bedroom is as big as our house. And the bed never needs to be made. Check it out. Seems a little wasteful. Wasteful and practical. A mechanical dressing dealie. Watch this, Marge. Now I'm ready to hit the town. I was expecting Homer to be more injured in that.

But he's hurt. There are two jokes in this episode about people going into machinery and getting mangled. Oh, yes. That's true. It is a little too similar. I was definitely surprised not to see blood in that scene. Right? Yeah.

I almost was expecting like I had forgotten where the joke was that homer's brain is exposed due to injury but for a second i thought it was in that episode and uh yeah the pronouncement of wasteful and practical great great line there and uh and yeah then we cut to bart searching for a hidden a hidden safe in the burns's mansion and we pass by marge's painting from Brush with Greatness, which I have to assume that means Burns reclaimed that painting because obviously it was made for the Burns wing of a museum and was supposed to always stay there, not be in the house. That was another pull from an old episode so far in this episode.

So I do like seeing them pay tribute to the history. I mean, again, we're 11 years in. these are all now being syndicated heavily people recognize these things it's true and when i saw it it hit the right note i was like oh delightful i remember that and it's always fun to see like an austin powers hide hiding genitals type gag as well that there's always a funny visual gag to me and uh yes then a very swartz welder joke of opening a safe to reveal a 1900s british guard inside of it and he he likes it in there he's he's fine being completely cramped up in there what else could be in there i wonder and the lisa joke is is confusing but i do like it she finds the lost nancy drew book the clue in the clock and

so many swears i guess the joke is a weird joke that you think that the title is going to be something crazy and then it's normal sounding but then she reveals that oh it happens to be a nancy drew book with many swears in it yeah i i yeah every time i hear it i feel like it was like a banned book for like racial insensitivity or something instead it's just a nancy drew book full of swears randomly i know it's not a real book but i was like is there any nancy drew books that sound like this and so i looked up the clue in the clock and so there was a there's many mystery series for kids right there was one in the like late 80s early 90s called our secret gang and one of them is called uh theue in the Clock Tower. And I'll read you

the blurb about this that is the official publisher blurb. Quote, this is just like a Nancy Drew mystery, unquote, remarks one of the young sleuths in the first of a series of whodunits. So like, in the book, in the book, one of the characters is like, this is just like a great mystery that people should

enjoy. Wow. Yeah, that's impressive. It's just like a great mystery that people should enjoy wow yeah that's that's impressive better more well-known thing that's that's like in those meet the spartans movies where they just say like and just like in the movie spider-man spider-man show they shouldn't get away with that i'm just having a character say this is like a nancy drew they they were taking swings at nancy drew and the hardy boys and the pirates of smugglers co this one's about pirates they're all about smugglers finally some those guys down a peg craig of the creek they had that great hardy boys episode early in the series i i love that where

they talk about how it's always the first character they meet and that's the culprit and also that they are two rich kids who drive around in a convertible all the time and how it's uh doesn't it's hard to be in touch with that as a kid then there's uh the scene of them destroying things in burns's hallway homer gets a drunk a lot in this this is really drunk party man homer it really he's really a party dude in this episode i mean i know it's like the the three the three joke joke where it's like you're just accentuating i wish bart would have been like in a little power wheels or something instead of just on a bike because it goes bike horse riding mower yeah that's the escalation of the joke uh the jokes in general with homer you're

right about the party man thing i think that i found the point of view of the episode a little bit alienating when i first watch it because it's just like so much of the episode is like about dude stuff it's like partying and dude stuff and it's just kind of like i don't know it just felt like a like an odd flavor to be focusing on you know these were bro year it was a bro year staff that's the that's the difference i think and and i think too they see you know peter griffin was binge drinking so much on his shows that i i wonder if they felt like homer's got to keep up with it the the first episode family guy is him be getting blackout drunk and waking up on the breakfast table yeah i mean look if i if i wanted jokes about how drinking alcohol is inherently cool and funny and is a and is a hobby of its own i would watch the drew

carey show yes, you're right. Every plot of that was about just drinking, just relaxed drinking. Yeah, I'm from Northeast Ohio, and that's all there is to do. Once you stop singing Cleveland Rocks, you got to start drinking. You have your daily ceremonial singing

of Cleveland Rocks after breakfast, and then you just drink. Exactly, at 9.02 a.m. And so then they head to the Mayo Clinic briefly. We get a got milk, got tumor joke, which puts this in 2000. Bit of a groaner. But the the cut scene that you showed me on the way in. Yeah. All of these old, you know, decrepit people are walking into one door and they're coming out like very strong, fit young people. But then Smithers points out like

no mr burns that's right next to the minnesota lifeguard college uh that's pretty funny he's like why are they marching out well it's part of their training sir that's such a funny joke yeah i wish that it stayed in i bet honestly the gag that feels like it could have been totally a meme of just seeing old people come in and young people come out but uh then we get some burns his old jokes honestly burns should be pissed seeing fidel castro there he stole a trillion dollars from him i think he forgot yeah it's true but they reuse the same uh castro design as as before yeah like there's people like the two people uh to the left of smithers like one of them looks like momar kaddafi and i'm like but like from the 80s i don't know it's people, like the two people to the left of Smithers, one of them looks like Muammar Gaddafi.

But from the 80s, I don't know. It's just like a generic Banana Republic general, right? These aren't actual people until we get to Fidel and the Pope. Well, even that Pope doesn't look that much like John Paul. He was just a wrinkly old guy, not very descript looking. You know, it was the era of Pope jokes. Our youth, like so many pope jokes that once he got that mobile everybody did a pope joke i feel i think we're way you know honestly pope jokes not

so uh defanged as they were back then if you're gonna make a joke about them certainly not yeah look i'm just imagining the conversation it's like wait do we have a castro design we can reuse it's like oh yeah okay yeah no i i think the animation team is being a lot more economical in these days like you know in the skiing episode they just did we bob pointed out like yeah they just got their park ranger from mountain of madness like why why design a new park ranger when you already got one and uh and yeah then there's a gag about burns having a social security number that is two i like how he's filling that out just like not not not not not not not not not two and and is he i i'm trying to deconstruct the joke

he's mad at fdr is he mad that roosevelt created the social security system or is it implying that fdr gave himself number one and burns was only able to get number two i think it's he gave himself number one and Burns was only able to get number two. I think it's good. He gave himself number one because he created the program. Okay. Yeah. We also get to hear that Burns apparently murdered his parents at some point. Oh, I guess his 128 year old mother is no longer on a rocking chair. Oh yeah.

Wait a minute. I was like, is that his biological parents, I guess, and not the rich people who just came and took him away? You know, man, the old lady in the bobo well it also though we have to we're really talking about the canonicity here uh that is a dream sequence by burn so how true is it you know it's not an official flashback he had someone assassinate his mother uh he seemed scared to kill her back in uh home of the smithers though but yeah i guess he has killed them he sent in bruiser or low blow or whatever crusher sorry crusher right uh and uh after that's

done we then cut to the the family having a real fancy dinner at a classic long table i know what the other 11 forks are for, but what do you do with this one? Why, Marge, I believe you're supposed to scratch your ass with it. Homer, watch your li- Ooh, that's a lifesaver. Man, this is livin'. Stop that. Cigars are for rich people and legendary comedians, like Bill Crosby and David Letterson. Whoops, forgot to swirl it. Homer, did you Jimmy open Mr. Burns' liquor cabinet?

Jimmy is such an ugly word, Marge. Unless you're talking about Jimmy Smits. Stop swirling, Homer. word Marge unless you're talking about Jimmy Smith's listen I worked long and hard for this place and no one's gonna take it away from me not you not its rightful owner not anybody and another thing if I have that's great yeah I guess that is a very peter griffin move just immediately falling over drunk it is which would happen if you drank that much brandy at once right yeah that's i love that homer gets a classic brandy snifter and fills it to the top which is the opposite of what you're supposed to do it's a nice uh remark upon like the kind of swill he usually drinks

yes because like whenever i buy my parents like good beer they get trashed because it's a nice uh remark upon like the kind of swill he usually drinks yes because like whenever i buy my parents like good beer they get trashed because it's like what you drink three or four of these right like it's like a miller light you barely feel it's like no that's like three times the alcohol stop oh and i should remark that uh i checked in like a week before this is when david letterman was rushed to the hospital for a quintuple bypass surgery. Wow. So no more Stogies for him. Yeah, damn. He survived, obviously.

Now he's Santa Claus. David Letter's son, of course. Of course, it's like changing the names for basically no reason. It makes it pretty funny. I love the jokes about how Marge is just so checked out of pop culture. She like half remembers the name as bill crosby like that and and there's a great little i feel like it probably was the animators edition when she says and famous comedians when she says famous comedians she wiggles the cigar like groucho style which i was a funny little extra acting bit it was a a bit shocking to see Bart start a cigar.

Yes, yeah. I guess I think he had one back in War of the Simpsons too, remember? Yeah, yeah. Are you allowed to smoke cigars, Bart, or whatever? I don't know, Grandpa says. Yeah, that's right. He smokes all the time in that one. They were getting away with it more in the nine years before this one.

That Bart kid is a real troublemaker. I really enjoy the, just in general for me i think i think 1989 batman instilled in me a love of scenes set at incredibly long tables as being inherently funny oh yeah yeah orson welles did it first uh i think everyone's riffing on that oh yeah so marge in uh milhouse divided said woodsy allen so it's a uh it's a carryover of i love that it's so sweet as mar Marge said in the Homerpalooza, like she's just completely checked out from pop culture. She doesn't need to know anything about it.

It's not for her. And also an animator thing I noticed is that they're eating sloppy joes and they make sure to draw color Lisa's meat green at least, implying she's eating some sort of vegetable alternative to it. Somebody's paying attention. And also Homer presents that joke as like a New Yorker joke. It feels like a Frasier joke snuck in there of like, I believe you're supposed to scratch your ass with it. Marge is very satisfied that she can finally scratch her ass with the right thing.

We have Marge farting audibly and scratching her ass in this season. I like it. Breaking new ground for Marge farting audibly and scratching her ass in this season. I like it. Breaking new ground for Marge. I was going to mention, like, I think a new Marge joke they started doing a lot in this season was having her decide to agree with a scatological joke. She just goes along with it now. Also that Homer is very turned on by Jimmy Smits, which weren't we all in 2000? He played, what, Princess Leia's grandpa or something? Well, that would be, yes. In 2000, he's definitely, I forget well that would be yes in 2000 he's definitely

i forget if he's in two but he's definitely in three as uh as her adopted father of princess leia bale organa or i guess the senator bale organa i believe his name was and uh that was the best part of rogue one where he showed up like i forgot about that because i forgot about all of that movie movie's a little forgettable yeah it is but don't forget that sassy robot i love that c3bo and r2 walk by for like two seconds and it'd just be like yep they're here too everybody's here i think i mostly know jimmy smith's uh from the tommy knockers but that's just me oh yeah he was uh and he was a big deal on NYPD Blue at the time for this.

I think you mean NYPD Shoe. Oh, yes. It's basically the same thing. You know, another runner I noticed in this bit here is that Homer often did a lot of not you, not blank, not anybody. Yeah. And as we come to the next scene, Homer is in a sauna and calling up people including just thailand to reflect on what their voices sound another good homer line is and so on like he doesn't know what else to say uh he runs out of steam completely and he's in a steam room he should

be full of steam right and i like it but i also like they point out in the commentary that it was just the animators adding that Marge's hair wilts with each step she takes into the place. I like that. But yes, Homer is having some fun on what could be his last day as a fake billionaire. Uh-huh. That's some language you got there. And you talk like that 24-7, huh? Hey! Homer, you've got to stop pretending this is your house.

You're not a billionaire. Geez, way to burst my bubble, Marge. All I'm saying is don't get too comfortable. Mr. Burns will be back tomorrow. Marge, you're right. We do have to have a party. Party? No! No parties!

What about partays? No partays, no shindigs, no keggers, no hootenannies, no mixers, no raves, no box socials. Damn, I look so good on that bike. That's a great design. That is so good. That's the funniest drawing. Well, man, Lenny's face and also the Three Stooges stuff later, those are really great drawings, too. But I love Homer's. It's the word balloonooges stuff later. Those are really great drawings too, but I love Homer's.

It's the word balloon that makes it all perfect. It's specifically just the way it's put together that's so funny. And that's why I tried to rip it off. I actually got my mother to find one of the graduation invites that I made to rip that off. Unfortunately, it was from memory

and I totally biffed it and it wasn't nearly as funny as this drawing. In case you're wondering what a box social is, it is a fundraising event in which boxes are decorated and filled with meals for two traditionally by women and others traditionally men bid on them anticipating a meal with preparer so you're basically just uh bidding on women and to have a dinner date with them with food they prepared for charity wow yeah man so that's like uh i i like that it adds complexity to the classic like win a date with blank kind of auctioneering you have to you're really buying a box that includes a date the box and it's uh i mean box social is just a funny word too and then

again this is such mean homer time though the the extent to which he fully ignores her in this episode is just so mean. And then Marge, like, after Homer goes off, she's like, well, I guess I'll just clean the house now. Right. There's no, like, we have to stop your father. I guess, you know, she's gotten very good at suppressing the rage she's feeling. That's true. It's just not that relatable. It's like, I would much rather hang out with Marge than all of the losers that he hangs out with on the yacht right yeah that's also it seems like a lot of work driving a lot yachts

it's weird that bart goes along to this drunken adult male party but i mean crusty there bar should be excited right right yeah well it's we mentioned in the mel gibson episode but in that episode when homer tells part you can't come with me that felt like an interesting change from how usually it's like, yeah, no, Homer and Bart adventure. They have wacky fun together. It's always them together. And then we cut to Burns' battery of tests, and there's some real funny visual gags in here,

but also some great dialogue too. Now, Doctor, I want you to test me for everything, every disease on this chart. Fine. We'll just start by drawing some blood. Well, isn't that odd? It's like poking through meringue. Oh, try this arm.

I saw some blood in there the other day. Come on, keep blowing. Okay, 12 centimeters excellent i'm a big boy that's the evangelization i'm talking about going down the stairmaster the wrong way just like riding it like an escalator i mean i love the inversion of the joke where it's just like you think he's doing the blowing into the tube thing the wrong way. You think it's messing up because he's weak. No, that was the point. They're measuring how much of his face gets sucked into the tube or his beak or whatever.

That's so great. His eye, his eye is included in what's sucked into it. It's very, very funny. All these gags definitely made me laugh. Every shot. I mean, the animators really came to it too like these i'm sure these were all funny things to read in a script but like it is about execution through a funny drawing and like his his face 12 centimeters into a tube is so funny looking and that shot of him like in the gears

of the mri machine or whatever is so great i put a freaky out gif of this months ago at this point but uh it's so perfect i love how these two working class guys come and go there's your problem i love i love it there's your problem yeah it's like a hair clog or whatever yeah specifically the way that he's breathing when he's stuck in that thing it's like his hand is like shaking too yeah and also the the realization that burns is like a yellow sponge with like two ounces of blood in him basically you know maybe that's how he just uh he maybe was more vital before he got shot and now this is just uh where he's left at this point i believe it and uh then homer drives up to mose in a big fancy car which has three keys you have to turn i love that and oh geez uh the fox seat belt that's alive apparently it came back uh looking

too alive so they made it make a little noise when homer unbuckles it it's supposed to be like a stall kind of thing because when i was watching it i was like would this be funnier would this be less funny without the sound effect probably not so i guess it's good to put that there you know they had that problem in season one as well when they but then there they were able to do an easier fix where they had a broken piggy bank of the like five times they broke a piggy bank in season one one of the times it came back uh overseas drawn to look like the pig looked too real it looked like a pig's real eyes at least in the world of simpsons so they then just you know with digital effects of 1990 put black dots over that static shot but uh the the the fox is a little too real looking i

mean it should definitely be a dead fox like burns would be a guy who would have a fox stole or whatever you know and there's one thing that it's very consistent in animation. It's very hard to depict a fake version of a real thing and make it clear that it's fake. Yeah, I mean, I never considered how difficult that would be. Just everything is a drawing of something. How does this look like a toy of a thing instead of the real thing? Yeah, or joke about like a cardboard cutout or something. It's not as easy to do.

That was at the end of Muppet Babies we did. Oh, right. Where the cardboard cutout just looks like the characters. It's an easy prank to do when you're drawing, I guess. And it destroyed Gonzo's brain in that episode. He lost all sense of reality. But yes, Homer heads into Moe's wearing a big top hat. Funny drawing.

I love that. And he's asking for an imported sounding beer which i didn't know tuborg was a real beer oh it is yeah oh wow i tried i tried to look it up of like tuborg danish kings oh could this be a hamlet reference reference and like no it is a real danish beer that i bet you could well you know if you were able to go to one of those bars that has like beers from around the world, you could probably buy it in America. But I think it's more prevalent in Europe. Like I because I tried to find a two board commercial and I found one with like a it sounded like a British voice over guy in it. So I think it must be sold in England.

I don't know. I had no idea. European drinkers. Let me know if two board is is out there and how does it compare to the stella atwas brothers uh imported sound dark time for beer drinkers because the only way to get good beer was to drink imported beer i never hear the term imported beer since the craft beer explosion now like and you can get good beer anywhere basically without having to import it but in the dark days of the pre-21st century you you had to, like, get, like, Canadian beer or German beer or whatever. Italian beer.

Well, that's how, like, Molson or Red Dog would sell themselves. They're like, you know, your beer's bad. Well, we have the good beer now. This is not swill. I guess bad Canadian beer is better than bad American beer. Times have truly changed there i have a lot of associations with specifically stella artois because i worked at a landmark theater and they had stella artois commercials before every single movie that's i think that's why i started drinking it because if i drink any beer i remember like oh that commercial of them drinking it on a train and

they're they're scared to spill any one drop i I got to drink this beer. It's not good. Can't get behind this. Well, when we went to any video game event where it had an open bar, I knew I could just count on like, ah, Stella, I can drink that. For me, it was the hard stuff. Got to get through this preview event. Those made me too sleepy.

How can I tell people if the next Mario Party is any good if I'm drinking too much? This one has three toads in it no nintendo things actually pretty rarely had an open bar that's true now ubisoft they opened up the liquor cabinet for you guys there i wonder if that was an hr problem that's why the uh main guy just got kicked out maybe that kind of culture who knows anyway so where you guys grew up, were there Sunday restrictions on beer sales? Oh, North Dakota, there's something called blue laws, which basically requires that nothing be open until a certain time of the day or some places weren't even open on Sundays at all. I don't recall how that reflects on alcohol specifically, but I believe no liquor place was open on Sunday whatsoever,

at least as far as I know. Yeah, I know in Ohio, Sunday, I believe there was no liquor sales before a certain time. It was like, I think it was basically like a church-inspired law, like you got to go to church before you get drunk. But I know like in our neighboring state of Pennsylvania, I know my pal Jeremy Parrish who lives in North Carolina, there are similar rules.

You can only get alcohol at like a state sanctioned alcohol depository like there are no like mom and pop liquor stores you have to go to like alcohol factory number 44 to get your uh to get your beer or like some bars will sell you six packs but in Ohio not the case no I uh when I grew up in the south in bible belt ish areas of northern florida which i've said before is the more southern part of florida culturally they definitely had more rules on that stuff of like oh i'd see uh going to the grocery store on sunday mornings with my mom i would see there'd be like plastic put over the beer section of like no you can't buy the beer now that you can't it's just

against the rules until noon which like yeah they're the rules are definitely like religious in nature but they're technically not like made by i mean they are made by christians for christians it's a great it's a great visual gag of lenny and carl watching the sunspot how pathetic that is reach the reach the line this again we're recording this in July. Hopefully things are better in September. This is my life now. Not so much with drinking, but I do drink

at the end of every day. But it's just like the only exciting thing in my day is like when will the next meal come? When will my next meal be? Any kind of signifier of time passing?

Like I think I make a point to now I walk my dog three times a day instead of two because I'm at home all day. And I always make a point I have to walk the dog

when the sun is setting so I have a moment of time passing and beauty occurring during my day oh yeah by the way don't worry about me i only have one beer a night while i watch stuff with my fiancee stream stuff with my fiancee i'm not i'm not becoming a sad drunk during all this they say you're supposed to drink a glass and a half but you can't drink it's true uh though yeah here's a there's a nerdy plot hole i'm gonna bring up here when has mo ever cared about a law ever like that's true it's so weird how addicted i think honestly he if i'm gonna retcon this for a reason that makes sense mo enjoys the power to torture these other people. That's what I think it is.

You figure if you can't sell the beer, it would be illegal to take the beer somewhere else before 2 p.m., right? Yeah. I don't know. You know that there have been probably a bajillion scenes that have taken place in Moe's where people are drinking during the day up until now.

So it's kind of like, well, I guess they just wanted to tell a story about this. Perhaps every one of those days wasn't a Sunday. Let's say that. Sure, okay. If Perhaps every one of those days wasn't a Sunday. Let's say that. Sure, okay. If you ever saw them, it wasn't a Sunday. I also, so all this international waters thing, it reminds me of when we did the Trillion Dollar Bill episode

where their original plot for the episode was Homer would try to claim that he is a native american because the writers had heard that native american people don't pay income tax which then they found out is not true and so they rewrote the episode and this but in this case they thought international waters meant you it is just no laws at all if you go 12 miles out which is not true like that is not not the case but in this time when they learned the truth they're like nah let's just we're just gonna write it but you can murder someone in space and no one can stop you yeah of course of course uh but the thing is the funny thing is like they they probably were

just like yeah whatever but like it totally perpetuated that uh that untruth like i definitely watched the episode and assumed that what they're saying was real even though it pretty obviously isn't oh yeah it exacerbated the you know old wives tale of it and same with like i i have to think many other comedies after seeing the simpsons do this joke they're like hey yeah international waters let's make a joke about that how people can do anything out there it does lead to a lot of fun like here is a list of illegal things all of our characters can do including like very petty illegal things yes yeah and uh also an interesting note in history here when they show the mike tyson versus secretariat poster they just use their dredrick tatum character model this is the first time they ever just like no mike tyson like yeah two years earlier i bet they would have just said drederick tatum versus secretary at fight but i want to make a little i want to have a little sidebar about drederick

tatum if that's okay sure yeah let's go for it in my in my rewatch of the show i didn't realize they've referenced drederick tatum as early as like season one or early season two. And all the way through all these seasons, he's got like six different designs. They draw him so many different ways up until he finally gets an episode highlight. It's crazy. Yeah. I believe he debuted in the cable episode,

the stealing cable one, right? I want to say. I just remember it was earlier than I expected and he looked different to more times than I expected. I like him in his nice sweater being interviewed on a ion Springfield. Oh yes. Yeah.

If you ever see me back there, you know, I fucked up bad. Yeah. I, you know, I think his morphing as a character design is partially just because Mike Tyson,

the Mike Tyson you see in your brain, when you hear the name, Mike Tyson for America has changed so much like almost every couple of years it changes for what you think mike tyson is like the mike tyson of 1989 you imagine looks very different to the mike tyson of like 1993 you think of and so you're saying they were very directly chasing the appearance of tyson with with of those, probably. I think to an extent, yeah, and definitely. So I've seen the most recent Dreddrick Tatum appearance, which is the Marge Works at a Pot Dispensary episode from this last season, which was it actually is a pretty good episode of Current Simpsons. And the joke is that Dreddrick Tatum, as Michael Tyson does, owns a medical marijuana dispensary.

And so in this Dreddrick Tatum version, he basically looks like how he did when he fought Homer in season eight. Except now he's a retired boxer and he has face tattoos. Ah, doing all the way. Yeah, they've changed him. Every time Mikeyson updates his look they do that with dredrick as well i kind of i'm looking at his older design i kind of like how ugly it is it's a very like early simpsons design but i do like it he's got the pig nose he's got uh a little like his eye he looks like a man who's been beaten a lot yeah yeah he's very

lumpy looking he's more handsome in the the later appearances like the homer they fall onwards appearances i think yeah that's the one i normally think about when i think about him now He's more handsome in the later appearances, like the Homer They Fall Onwards appearances, I think. Yeah, that's the one I normally think about when I think about him now. I wish they hadn't changed his... I wish they had just said Dreddick Tatum instead of Mike Tyson. That feels more like a Family Guy gag to just say the famous person's name. It's also funny that both Don King and the Simpsons version of Don King exist in this world. It's the same thing with Mike Tyson. It's just like the parody also exists.

It's true. It's the full-on Schwarzenegger issue that we're dealing with here now. President Schwarzenegger, what up? Except they don't make a joke about that because they don't think you're smart. Yeah, yeah. But anyway, I also like Homer seems to remember it as

both the horse and Mike Tyson were very drunk during their boxing match. But then as Homer thinks about international waters, he makes a new plan. But I need that beer now. Sorry, 2 p.m. Or you can steal a boat and sail out to international waters. What's that, a theme park? No, the ocean.

Once you get 12 miles out, there's no laws at all. That's where they held the Tyson Secretariat fight. They were so drunk. Gentlemen, get off your knees. Your rich Uncle Homer is throwing the wildest box social the high seas have ever seen. And you're invited No you don't I'm not gonna let you trash Mr. Burns' yacht Marge

You know I normally listen to you But I gotta seize this opportunity Just in case I never become a real billionaire Oh homie I don't care if you're a billionaire. I love you just because you... Hey, there's another way to get on the boat. Woo-hoo!

It's so great how Marge tries to find a moral in this episode, but she's interrupted both times. That's right. It's like, take that, James L. Brooks. And, I mean, Marge literally gets in the way of the characters having fun like by standing in between them and the vote that's her literally preventing fun like and and not only that but she gives such an oh homie speed like she starts it with oh homie this is not even like where's that bart does not come up she should be asking that because Bart goes away.

It's all I think about when I think about that. There's like a very funny matter of fact line that I... You probably didn't clip because it's not even a joke, but I love her. Like in like two seconds, she goes, the boat's going sideways. It's a great joke. It's a very weird line that she just announces it and then we see the boat going sideways. I just like her proclamation. It just tickled me i don't know why it almost feels like that should have been the end uh the go to commercial gag but because those scenes just run into each other

and but this is so uh like uncharacteristically lisa don't worry mom I'm sure he'll be okay. Yeah, you're right. Lisa, you know your father. And that Homer, that somehow it's going sideways is a very Schwarzwalderism too, yeah. Yeah, but like Schwarzwalder, not a fan of women, I guess, in general. Definitely not Lisa or Marge in his scripts. He's not famous for writing a lot of women. No, no.

I really have enjoyed, I haven't read one in a while but i read like the first five of his books and i think by the fourth one i was like man no woman has ever spoken in this book like there's never written dialogue for a woman ever yeah marge and lisa and this one are almost like parodies of how they act in all of his scripts just like yeah they're they're just so so like uh downplayed and then subservient uh but uh well also like homer again homer's so mean of just going like no i normally listen to you and then he just like runs off and does whatever he feels like it's yeah thinking about it now like i think maybe part of the reason why homer's specific brand of wanting to be a party man feels so odd to me is because like normally i think that

they would they would come up with a appropriate theme for his desire to party like for example in homer goes to college it's like oh we are we understand that homer has seen too many of a specific type of movie and that's why he wants this specific type of fun whereas in this it's like well he's not trying to be fancy party guy he's just trying to be party guy using fancy resources you know it doesn't feel it doesn't feel very specific. And so if that's, I think maybe that's why I, I, it kind of threw me and felt wrong. I think the first scene is supposed to instill in the viewer, like Homer thinks he hasn't accomplished anything or Homer thinks he's, his lot in life is not where it should be,

but it doesn't really do that. Like even in a kill the alligator and run, which is not a great episode, there's a reason why he becomes a party dude is because he thinks he's done with half of his life and needs to party more yeah like maybe maybe it would have i don't want to be like oh let me let me script doctor this episode from a billion years ago but it's like maybe it would make more sense if he tried to hold like a fancy gala or something something a little more thematically appropriate yeah yeah but but then you don't get drunk and party fun jokes or he uses all of the money and resources to create his own award show just for himself hey that's a good man these are good pitches these are

uh oh well but uh but yeah so after they get out to see mo is enjoying whipping homer have we hit international waters yet because uh things are getting real ugly i can't sell your beer till we cross the line legally you could give us free beer oh well could you at least give us rubbing alcohol for our wounds hey sucker lenny bit lenny goes it's up and down with Lenny like at the beginning of this episode Lenny is like an esteemed member of society

then we see him on a Sunday morning waiting to drink and then we see him later that day drinking rubbing alcohol just straight yeah he goes to some dark places look I don't know you tell me I don't drink so maybe you can tell me rubbing alcohol that tastes pretty good.

You want to chase her with it. I love hearing Barney point out that, like, you could just give us free beer. Oh. Though I kept waiting for Lenny to get whipped in the eye. I kept going, like, when's he getting whipped? His whip damage should be to his eye at this time. Seeing a bloody whip wound on Lenny. Very funny.

So much blood in these seasons too uh and then we also get a gag about uh all of the boats doing crazy stuff there's a lady sexy lady party boat truly crazy and there's a gunfight boat i love the old west boat yeah that's great it seems to be all the people who performed at the uh the old timey town and kidney trouble all on a boat together. And there's one with the bullfight on it, too. Yes, yeah, the bullfight. Well, that's the other.

And then a great gag about how there's somebody rebroadcasting Major League Baseball games with implied oral consent. Not express written consent. Yes. written consent yes uh if if you don't watch major league baseball games or don't live in the u.s and don't know this thing uh before major league baseball games there is or at some point during it they have the legal announcement of quote any broadcast retransmission or account of this game without the express written consent of major league baseball is prohibited who was doing this uh i mean i guess uh i think these are like the sports bar rules yeah that is weird i was gonna bring that up like there are some bars that like oh we can't show the

big the big game or whatever because you know technically um not like all of you should be watching on your own tvs or whatever yeah it counts as a party or viewing a thing yeah yeah either way very terrific series of like visual jokes on all these boats pretty funny uh implied oral consent is a funny name uh funny phrasing to against come out of homer yeah yeah uh i had i had learned about these like bar sports rules because uh this came up about how like ufc they made a lot of money off of selling bars the right to show their UFC events there and now they're losing a bunch of money because there's no bars to sell it to yeah that's too bad uh I do like the tag at the end of that joke though or so the legend goes

and then we also see that the sea captain uh can marry people at sea and give them illegal fireworks and also the cow it's it's also a jewish wedding yes yeah though they make sure to put a bridal gown uh bridal thing on the cow's head so you know it's a female cow he's not marrying a male cow that would be too crazy that he put the garter belt on the cow that's a funny drawing too i like that your detail attention to detail and uh then we cut back to the Mayo clinic this is so full of laughs I love the old timey

jokey rhythm of this it's like an old stage bit or something like that I just love the back and forth the cutting is done so well both in audio and animation I just love it every bit of this is hilarious yeah so I have the full scene here well Doc I think I did pretty well in my tests you may shake my hand if you like well under the circumstances So I have the full scene here. Well, Doc, I think I did pretty well in my tests.

You may shake my hand if you like. Well, under the circumstances, I'd rather not. Mr. Burns, I'm afraid you are the sickest man in the United States. You have everything. You mean I have pneumonia? Yes. Juvenile diabetes? Yes.

Hysterical pregnancy? A little bit, yes. You also have several diseases that have just been discovered in you. I see. You sure you just haven't made just been discovered. In you. I see. You sure you just haven't made thousands of mistakes? Uh, no. No, I'm afraid not. This sounds like bad news.

Well, you'd think so, but all of your diseases are in perfect balance. If you have a moment, I can explain. Well... Here's the door to your body, you see? And these are oversized novelty germs. That's influenza, that's bronchitis, and this cute little cuddle bug is pancreatic cancer. Here's what happens when they all try to get through the door at once.

Move it, counterhead. We call it Three Stooges Syndrome. So what you're saying is I'm indestructible. Oh, no, no. In fact, even a slight breeze could... indestructible oh no no and in fact even a slight breeze indestructible yeah again I do really like the Burns persona that he just assumes everything

will work out in fact he doesn't even want to give the talk their time to explain himself he's like well I love the old watch look too yeah and Hank's read on these lines like just discovered in you yeah yes oh good this all yeah you're right this all exchange is like a vaudeville routine yeah and and same with like a little

bit yes a little bit oh god uh but yes the line uh the amount of denial to say like you sure you just haven't made thousands of mistakes yeah damn it that's such a good line and the the visual of all the little koosh ball guys in the door it's a very like uh i don't know it's it's extremely memorable it's like an it's like an idea you're surprised you've never heard before yeah the seeing all the things pushed into a door and that they can't get in that's so funny i've seen that one used a lot in memes to explain like every bad thing gets in the way of each other so nothing bad happens i've heard it explained like the president's why he's still alive health-wise it's like he's got three

stooges syndrome i also love that the exchange of burns saying like you may shake my hand like he's so happy that he's gonna allow a person to touch him but the other guy's like oh no thank you that all sequence just the greatest and that it explains how burns is still alive even though he should be dead a thousand times over at this point and somehow will i love do these like no you're not indestructible in fact a slight breeze will kill you indestructible uh and yes then we cut to the ladies cleaning up which uh boy that's uh it's bad. Including the rooms they've never been in.

And I do like the little Burns and Smithers clones, including the cute little noise the Burns one makes at the end. That's cute. I do like that. And the gag that Marge seems to be shocked by seeing. And she's like, but she's just upset that there's a spot on it. And she cleans it off. Ah, yes. Women love to clean.

That's their favorite thing to do, as Simpsons has taught me. And the monkey knife fight I see memed a lot. It's like if two people are arguing online who you don't like, you post the monkey knife fight. Oh, God, with the names of every person? Like, yeah, I mean, definitely in the...

We're all on Twitter too much now, and so I've definitely had the monkey knife fight moments of seeing two twitter accounts i don't like arguing with each other and be like yeah yeah come on it's a rare bit of a rare bit of safe entertainment look it's we're living in hell because uh twitter it has become reality because we don't get to go anywhere and do anything we're we are all now too online it's uh but what are you gonna do what you're gonna do like not use twitter i think not no way that sounds unhealthy oh my god make uh and also as they pan across you can see apu is naked dancing where i swear you can see like his scrotum a couple

times they closed in the nudie mart so he's gotta go on this party boat he is very relaxed being nude in front of people at this point. Though, honestly, Apu, I think, is just enjoying getting away from his eight children at this point. That's why he's really partying. That's true. And it's weird to see Krusty without gloves in all these shots, too. Like, he's casual Krusty. I wanted more of Krusty outside of his melon comment.

Well, it just feels like an odd choice to have Krusty there as, like incidental presence um it's like i don't hate it but it is odd and i agree about the gloves too it's like almost was like an oversight to not have the gloves they belong yeah i feel i don't know kirk van houten replace him in those shots same deal same deal yeah now we're talking and we know he loves to party like actually yeah apu and nudity not only did was uh he arrested for being outside that was an accident but also at the saint patrick's day parade it's he who says everybody get naked right so i think that's just uh just his thing i think uh his his immodesty is his thing uh and then we also get a uh a reference to raging bull which like i i wasn't too i wasn't

like made uncomfortable by like an animal fighting joke until the idea of like mo saying he ain't pretty no more i'm like ah this horrible this poor monkey just got like horribly maimed and mo had held that monkey in high esteem and like in terms of his beauty i guess yes yeah uh i mean mo was beautiful too once actually we're not too far removed from pig molian either we're not soon soon he'll be beautiful uh and then the uh the coast guard shows up and we get a little comedy here though from what i've read one of the things they uh the coast guard can definitely arrest you and does not worry about international waters like they've got maritime law on their side.

Yeah, don't try this at home, everybody. Yes. Hey, Coast Guard, try and stop us now, you lousy Americans. We can't hear you. Come 300 feet closer. Nice try. You're not going to nail us. But we just want to party.

Oh, really? Then play some rock music. Wow now. I want to party. Oh, really? Then play some rock music. Come on, babe. The Coast Guard's covering the dude. Who's the greatest billionaire in the world looks like another homosexual party boat they always have such nice things i don't uh really know a lot about the doobie brothers i had an uncle who was a big fan so i don't recognize china grove immediately me neither no yeah the unironic love of classic rock is something

i'm i'm like hesitant toward i'm like must we i mean it's that for our generation it's dad rock like this was yeah if uh my dad hated all music though so not my dad specifically but dad rock uh the but the doobie brothers yeah i when homer, this joke just confused me until the commentary I would listen to 10 years ago because I didn't know this song, and Homer says, they're covering the doob like that. That confused me, too.

I didn't know that was Homer using a nickname for the Doobie Brothers. In the read, it sounds a bit like he's saying covering the do, and so I'm like, is this a parody of saying covering the who? Like, I felt completely off a cliff. You didn't hit the B hard enough. And I got to say, as Disney Plus would say, outdated cultural depictions are in this episode.

But I do enjoy the craziness of the Chinese pirates. Sure, sure. With their many parrots. Yeah, the parrots were, I will say, I'm sorry that it's bird violence but the protracted punching of four parrots was very funny I enjoyed that because I assume the parrot just like flew to a nearby perch safely the idea of an

overcompensating pirate with four parrots on his shoulders you know Futurama had that other super pirate who had multiple like multiple eye patches and parrots I think this predates it. Determines your rank in this Chinese

pirate outfit. Another great joke with Homer. Timed animation reminds me really well of him dancing forward and dancing back. As he dances back, he keeps seeing more pirates are replacing his men. But he gets optimistic as he dances forward. You can see in his face, he's like, I bet if I go off screen

again, the pirates will go away. It's like the logic of the see in his face he's like i bet if i go off screen again the pirates will go away yeah it's like the logic of the scene in his mind is like well this way there's no pirates right yeah there was something about i was it in the news that there were a lot of chinese pirates at the time like chinese pirates got auto two seasons ago right exactly yeah this is not their first chinese pirate show you know obviously uh 10 years or something after this there there'd be different pirate and ethnicities that people would make fun of but uh it was chinese pirates was the flavor in 2000 i guess they're from hong kong because that's what they call secret pirate islands that's a funny line but yeah also yes

culturally insensitive they explicitly will not do this kind of casting now on the show. Indeed. I also like, you can tell when Nancy Cartwright's singing along, she doesn't know China Grove, the song. She's going, do-do-do-do-do, do-do-do-do-do. But, you know, the China Grove song, apparently that's named after a real town in Texas. But I don't think there's any actual, I don't know the other meaning to the song. Apparently that's named after a real town in Texas. But I don't think there's any actual plot.

I don't know the other meaning to the song. I bet they frown upon the smoking of doobies and the brothers who do so. My first guess when something was called China anything from that era, it's about cocaine, I would have assumed. Or a great dishware you get when you get married. And so the pirates round up all of his friends. And I do really like the joke that they could obviously have just asked each person to hand them their valuables before they tie them up. But instead, they put them all into a net and then poke them for their wallets to fall out. That feels like another good sports walletry touch.

Like making them into a giant pinata. And also, my bus pass! They took my bus pass! And Apu bemoaning that his nook and cranny is taken advantage of. That was a great read. It's like, oh, so far the nook is... Oh, they got me! Yes, yeah.

But yeah, the idea that they are shaking a net until valuables fall out is so funny uh though when you know what's coming and you see all the people in that net you see named characters are on the bottom of that net i don't recall seeing any unnamed character on that boat like random extra number 43 it feels like they're all like named citizens we know from the past. Yes. I think in the monkey knife fight, you can see an old man who looks like a Vegas high roller kind of guy. We can presume that there are people below the deck having fun in the yachts. Sure, sure. But yeah, when you can see the named characters in this ball of people on the bottom i think it bothered me even more the next thing that comes but yes after they announce they're gonna head to hidden

pirate island homer tries to beg for help from the coast guard oh pirates navy seals are on the way oh bless you how about a tactical nuclear strike? Oh, that would be just... Whoa. You're just taking my chain, aren't you? Perhaps this foghorn will answer your question. Yeah, yeah. Enough! Get in the net!

I don't wanna! That's great. I do not approve of bird violence but it's it's comical enough yes yeah that homer misses him four times and punches a bird each time it's pretty funny and the bird makes the exact same sound each time yes yeah uh also yeah getting a comedy womp womp adam i uh toby do you know is there an official term you would give that in a script or in a in a board well good question because the thing that i was expecting was to hear an actual foghorn instead of a vocal doing a foghorn but but no i think that it's a womp womp or a foghorn type thing yeah okay yeah i i would always write it out as w-o-M-P, but I've seen W-H-O-M-P, too, for the womp womp.

I would never. This also felt like a very Peter Griffin moment of him trying to save the day and instantly failing. I mean, even grabbing his leg in a similar style. Yeah, I love it, though, because it is so many bad things happen to him. You're not clear, like, what he was trying to do. Like, he was going to swing on the rope to do something with a knife

and he burns his hands on the rope. He falls to the ground. He gets a Charlie horse. He puts the knife in his mouth to rub his Charlie horse. He hurts his mouth. He spits the knife out to get stuck in his hand. There's like five things that happened to him. That is great.

In like 10 seconds. It's great. It's so funny. It's pretty funny. Yeah. Oh, sorry. I don't want to go back. I'm going to go back briefly to talk about Foghorns.

Yes. On OK KO, we also would frequently reference the one in Doug, which is the pew. Oh, right. I love that sound. Good old Fred Schneider. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it closes the scene perfectly to hear that pew.

Feel free to put that in the appropriate spot, but I just had to mention Doug another time. Man, we got to do a What a cartoon with doug for you now we've we've done doug already but there's always excuses to do more tug they're not they're not brand spanking new it's guy i just want to do we're not doing tng doug we'll wake we'll wake me when it is tng yes so homer gets caught as well put in the net i love his exchange with Lenny of the shut up net face. And that leads, though, to, you know, I feel like we say there's a new low for Homer every episode. But this was shocking to me as an 18 year old or 17 year old. Some party, Homer.

Shut up, net face. Hey, you're in the net, too. I said shut up net face oh we're gonna die and I never tasted cantaloupe honeydew is the money melon and now we will cut you loose for liability purposes it is the ocean that will kill Not us. Hey, what do you know? It floats. That was my plan all along.

Now relax and the currents will take us home. What about the people on the bottom? They're the greatest heroes of all. Hey, something's clawing at my leg. Okay, it stopped. Oh, man. That's rough. It draws so much attention to the lack of caring about the death yeah i think it would have been a better i mean i wouldn't have done this joke to begin with because it makes homer seem like the worst monster even though

this is not his fault this stuff that's happening sure no you can't save these people but i think it should have the scene should have been ended at like bart saying what about people at the bottom homer just going and then just cut instead of like him recognizing that they're dying him recognizing that they're trying to breathe and then saying oh it stopped homer is feeling a man die underneath him like struggling and grabbing at his leg it's horrific yeah it really is so so awful i mean well too though okay other than just the the death of it all is i forgot how kind of a cop at it is they're like oh we're floating and the currents will take us back everything's fine like what you're still in a net in the middle of the ocean you're 12 miles out from land that's That's defined by where you are. The current's going to carry you 12 miles?

Like, no. And why does the Coast Guard arrest them as they start to head back into... It's such a shrug of an exit from that scene. They're busy fighting the pirates, the Coast Guard, right now. I guess. Sure. The thing that I got hung up on was like, yeah, which characters are under there? Which ones specifically are getting killed? And I don't know off the top of my head, but I will say that there's a YouTube video about it that I found fairly unhelpful.

I think it's like Moe and Krusty, at least. Okay. I would say like every one shot person who never appeared again is at the bottom. Like Dr. S, Hugh Jazz, Miss Botts. who never appeared again is at the bottom like dr s hugh jazz miss butts uh and like you know that at least a dozen people are dead like at least like it's the scale of the death too and how they just shrug and especially the the effort of the shrug too and like another wacky thing could have happened like a boat like crusty the clown actually had a cloud boat that caught us or whatever they could all fit into it or we fell into a whale all right we're safe like yeah

there could have been a way to have your cake and eat it too have homer have homer when asked about it just be like and then they go to the next thing before he can even say like just you know there could there could have been a way to still imply the death or the or the drowning without going so deep yeah like marge could have asked a way to still imply the death or the or the drowning without going so deep. Yeah. Like Marge could have asked, like, what about the people on the bottom? Yeah. So that's a story for another time. Instead, Homer has to directly tell you, I feel a man drowning under me, at least one, if not many others. It's like, oof. But that comes right after the great gags of, like, shut up, net face and also money melon.

Like, what a great melon. Yeah. Honestly, the cantaloupe thing is honestly maybe my favorite joke in the whole episode. comes right after the great gags of like shut up net face and also money melon like money melon yeah honestly the cantaloupe thing is honestly maybe my favorite joke in the whole episode it's because it's like the cheapest melon whenever you if you ever have fruit salad it's like 83 percent uh cantaloupe boom yeah you get like two grapes in those things oh one strawberry if you're lucky god yeah if you get if you get a raspberry that's like christmas uh i i if i see honeydew on like a buffet spread or whatever i still think of it as a money melon i i'll probably grab like one square of it at a vegas thing just uh now buffets are done though so i'm just yeah anyway yeah so them just floating back to safety is such an extreme cop-out.

And yeah, Homer saying he feels the man struggling and me going like, ugh, like that is my strongest memory of seeing it as a 17-year-old. But then you immediately get two really great Brunza Burns jokes. You do, you do, yeah. As an antidote to all this darkness. So when they cut back from that to marge and lisa being satisfied with how well they did cleaning that also just it hits even harder maybe i think and uh yes burns and smithers arrive home there's a weird like non-sequitur joke that

like smithers had something lay eggs in his brain i love how just matter of fact burns is about this and i i so i think this is another meme thing or thing because i hear in like dialogue or like people talking and uh quoting it frankly one is too many yeah in terms of how many how many eggs are laid in his brain and you know as the as they say in in the contemporary parlance that's a big mood big mood yeah i'm vibing off of that mood but it is funny frankly one is too many that's that's funny yeah and uh burns like walking through the house looking at all all the obvious joke setups that weren't like activated yeah that's great i love that yeah i actually yes i have that in our second to last clip here

smith is old chum there's nothing like coming home with a clean bill of health. Oh, and sorry about your news. Thank you, sir. Do they know how many eggs it laid in your brain? I prefer not to know. Frankly, one is too many. Ugh, the foul stench of youth. Well, let's see.

Ming Vesa narrow column not knocked down. Priceless coins not used in vending machine. Yes, not bad. Mr. Burns, pirates got your yacht. What? Well, I suppose some mishaps are unavoidable. Oh, furious George. What have they done to your beautiful face? Oh, there, there. Smithers, this monkey's going to need most of your skin. Huh.

What? Wow, that's so wacky. He's just exhausted by it. On the commentary, they're like, we should have ended with that joke. Yeah,er screaming over the credits is funny but that would have been a good ending to the uh the phrase most of your skin made me laugh a lot uh that uh so here's here's an anecdote i've been sitting on for a long time it's hatching uh so this furious george gag i thought nothing of it i honestly forgot he even said that word

furious george then in a i believe it was a 2003 or 2004 comic by evan dorkin the creator of milk and cheese and the eltingville club he did a comic called dork which he'd sporadically published and it was just like a collection of short comic gags he did and in one of them he pointed out that in a 1992 strip he did a joke about curious george's mean cousin furious george and then he in 2004 did a response strip where he's like please stop telling me the simpsons did furious george i know every it's a joke everybody thought of yeah it's like, please stop telling me the Simpsons did furious George. I know it's a joke everybody thought of. I'm not doing him anymore. It's a very obvious pun. Yeah, but it's just funny.

I never even knew that he, I never caught that he says furious George because he says it so quickly it can't really hit. That I didn't know that until Evan Dorkin called it out as a thing he was sick of being alerted about by his fans. Oh, just because, yeah, if you're Evan Dorkin, you're like, I doubt that the Simpsons are directly referencing my cool indie comic here. Yeah, yeah. I feel like a lot of people, it still happens, they feel the need to tell me that when they discover Bob Mackie, the fashion designer, exists, they feel the need to tell me that. It's like, I'm well aware. Thank you. they feel the need to tell me that yeah it's like i'm well aware thank you wait do you wait away do you share a name with famous british actor toby jones and get tagged in images of

dobby the house elf on instagram oh my god toby i didn't even i should have i should have realized that immediately when okay so stop tagging me in those pictures bob please bob mackie is like in his 80s which means you know tikt tick tock, tick tock guy. Come on. It's going to happen any day now, but when it happens, I'm going to get a lot of tweets. Yeah. Soon there will be just one.

Yeah. You know, uh, that also reminds me of, uh, in the games, in games, press adjacent world,

there was the tech writer, Will Smith, who he was an early adopter of Twitter. He's always had at Will Smith, and he cannot, like, every single day he gets added of like, at Will Smith, what about this? I will say we're recording this in July, so I hope Bob Mackie lives forever and taints my legacy in SEO ranking. Do I need to play the anti-death jingle to be safe?

Yes, even though he's not in this episode. You know what? As long as I'm playing jingles, I should have done this jingle when we talked about the parrot stuff. Everybody hates birds. Thank you. Sorry, I talked over.

We have an everybody hates birds jingle now. Yeah, we never, I forget to use, I don't think we've had bird violence on The Simpsons since. But yes, that's the classic everybody hates birds jingle. I mean, look, this show has really brought my attention to the amount of bird violence in all animation. I say shut it down. It normalizes violence against real birds. I say shut it down. It normalizes violence against real birds.

I'm only half kidding. Burns should have fired Homer for disfiguring his favorite monkey, but apparently not. I think he's just in such good spirits from being declared indestructible that he's just like, oh, well, things like that happen.

And I guess Furious George must have swam back from the boat, I suppose. Sure. Maybe he was in the boat, I suppose. Sure. Maybe he was in the net behind some characters. And, I mean, also you don't even see the Simpsons get out of the net either. They just show up to be like, oh, your yacht was stolen. Oh, well.

No, no stakes either. I do love that Byrne just shrugs off any stakes. He's just like, oh, well, it's bad to happen. Yeah, you would think like uh if you wrote this a different way the last scene would be whatever homer whatever homer's punishment would be at the plant for having fucked up so horribly oh you know this is kind of embarrassing but in the last week i also watched the episode boy scouts in the hood and so in my brain i connected both lost at sea scenes so in my mind even though i just watched

this episode two days ago i was like oh yeah then they end up at the crusty burger but no that's a totally different episode that's right in that episode too homer makes the pronouncement of we'll just let the currents take us back to land though i guess homer was correct this time that the currents yes back to land uh yeah also in that episode you know barney well barney becomes a sailor he doesn't get like impressed into it or like he's not stolen uh by pirates but yes then we get uh the moral of the story scene where homer resists learning a lesson after living like a billionaire this place is kind of a dump no it's not so bad here we can spit on the floor. Bart, stop that. Now, we may not have antique furniture or priceless artwork, but we have everything we need right here.

That's right. Just because we're not rich doesn't mean that we don't have. Oh. Oh, no. I can't even finish. I want to be rich. Like these guys. I like all of the commentary.

Clearly ad-libbing Dan Casanata, but I do like how he points out the voice actors are rich, but not as rich as they should be. Not as rich as they should be, of course. I felt this way, though, when I like... So the current apartment I'm renting, I've been renting for like seven years and I started renting it like when I was basically making half the income I do now. So it's very modest, very small.

And I kind of feel the resentment of like, I just got back from somewhere nice. I got to go back to this dump. Every time we're in an Airbnb, that's like a two bedroom place. Yeah. It's like, well, I was going to move to Canada this year, but probably not going to happen. Hey, I still believe in you, Bob. They're personally closing the border

just to spite me and my love. One day, all we're going to do is appreciate life so much more if ever we get out of this. I think about all the fun I refused having, like going on trips and being like, oh, I'm tired. I'm just going to go back.

Like, I don't know if I can, I can never do that now. I'm just gonna go back. Like, I don't know if I can, I don't know. I can never do that now. I think for at least a week, I'll be appreciating life so much more. At least a week. Yeah. No decision will be too impulsive.

Yeah, I do. You know, I've had the thought of like, why couldn't this stuff happen when I was incredibly depressed at a job I hated and calling in sick all the time. Like, this would have been enforced work from home when I hated that job. Instead, it has to happen now when I'm happier.

It's wasted on me. Me too. Yep, yep. And look, I've complained about this so many times. And of course, my problems are very small. But I had big plans to go to Japan to watch the premiere of the final Eva movie when it came out. Of course, it didn't come out, but my big plan was to...

I'd never been to Japan. My big plan was to go and to see the Eva movie in theaters. And of course, nothing like that happened. Yeah, we all made big plans. They're all crumbling in front of us. Well, that plans... Now all I have is The Simpsons.

Hey, you know,'s uh fulfilling our lives well sure yeah no i i also i like how homer you notice that homer doesn't say that when mike scully's name is on screen but instead the james l brooks brooks and simon and matt they who are are much richer than mike scully yeah i know he would get rich much later yeah i like whenever anybody talks to the uh gracie films person yes uh you're rich bastard yeah i love that yeah well you know this was part of a runner of homer screaming over the credits like this uh it wasn't too long ago that it ain't misbehaving he is you know being bitten by snakes over the credits all. Oh yeah. But it's, I mean, it's always funny to hear Homer making noise over the credits. And if you just ask Dan to like add Liz and stuff,

he'll be funny. You can, you can count on that. But yeah, wacky, wacky episode, as you'd expect from John Swartzwelder, for sure.

He's, he's Captain Wacky. The last time Homer talked to the Gracie Films person was in Bartstar. He called him or her shushy. I think it's a woman in the audience. Yeah, that's right. I always took it to be a woman. You're cut too shushy.

I guess a woman can be a bastard too, in the bastard, bastard, bastard, bastard sense of it. Sure. I wish I could fully love this episode, but my distaste from my youth of seeing Homer nonchalant about the death of the other characters that holds it back just a little bit for me but there's way of as so many times when we do these there are so many moments in it that I forget as being part of this episode so I guess guess my last thought is free Britney.

Hashtag free Britney. Me too. I'm with you, Henry. I do think there's a great collection of jokes here. And so many memes came from this. And the burn stuff is great. I will knock at some points for Homer committing mass murder or just being a, you know, idle participant in mass murder, I guess.

Not wanting to help anybody, but I'll let that pass. Sure, sure. Yeah, and I definitely agree with both of you on that it's like the best you're probably going to get around this era is like at least there were a number of jokes that are you genuinely are going to laugh at uh to kind of help uh help chase the the kind of more bummer elements so it's like at least i laughed a few times oh yeah so toby thanks so much for being on the show i'm sure we'll have you back very soon uh did you want to plug anything or let people know where they can find you online or talk about what you're

doing recently? Sure, sure. Yeah, I'm Toby Toby Jones on all social media. I can't plug anything going on right now because I'm busy working in the world of development. So in the meantime, you can catch up on OK KO! Let's Be Heroes on, I believe it's currently on Hulu, which is a

streaming service numerous people have and that's about it for right now until the future when hopefully something cool happens if everybody watches okko on hulu you know so who knows what the future holds who's to say and also everybody should watch it because it's great yeah yeah yeah and people should listen to our previous okko podcast on what a cartoon with to Toby because those were a ton of fun with also the creator of the show Ian Jones-Cordy as well. You two guys man and the regular show one we did

with you and Owen Dennis. That's another great one like that whole thing is on HBO Max the hot new streaming service. You can catch up on all of regular show there all 6,000 episodes and the movie. I always forget how many episodes there are. It's the max amount of HBO allowed by law law to come into your house that's why they call it that but but thank you so much again toby always a pleasure thanks for having me so thanks to toby

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