Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - The Simpsons 138th Episode Spectacular

Episode Date: March 24, 2018

After some really stinky clip shows, we're watching ones so good you'll forget it's only 23% new footage. Specials guest Kat Bailey joins us to chat all about the funniest deleted scenes, the classic ...shorts, montages, and so much more on this week's podcast! Support this podcast at Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons!

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Starting point is 00:00:42 I heartily endorse this event or product. Ahoy, hoy, everybody. Welcome to Talking Simpsons Now with 23% new footage. I'm your host, Captain Wacky, later renamed Bob. And this is a chronological exploration of The Simpsons. Who else is here with me today? Creator of Johnny Reb, Henry Gilbert. And who else?
Starting point is 00:01:11 Cat Bailey, the nation's premier showcase for psychiatrist jokes and musical comedy numbers. It's very true. Today's episode is The Simpsons 138th Episode Spectacular. Get out of my house! It's MacRainey himself. Today's episode aired on December 3rd, 1995, and Henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real-world history. Oh, my God! Oh, boy, Bobby!
Starting point is 00:01:36 Folks are shooting up arcades with Time Crisis, NASA's Galileo probe lands in Jupiter, and the real stars are on Cable Ace Awards, where the Larry Sanders Show wins just about every award in the comedies. You know, I've heard girls go to Jupiter to get more stupider. Is that an official science fact? That's what Galileo was trying to figure out, that they went into the eye of Jupiter to figure that out.
Starting point is 00:01:57 And boys go to college, is what I've also heard. I find Jupiter so fascinating, just because the size of that giant red spot. Yeah, it's amazing. Ain't nothing but gas. It's pretty cool. I mean, how many Earths can fit in that red spot yeah it's amazing ain't nothing but gas i mean how many earths can fit in that thing and it's just a giant storm that's cool yeah you know what i thought was cool was time crisis i i was more of a virtual cop guy that was my main light gun shooter like five of those things now right yeah i mean there's eight million of them time crisis won't die like it's one of the few arcades that won't go away virtual
Starting point is 00:02:25 cop they just did too but time crisis maybe because they didn't have police branding it's even more like universal i i love time crisis but the home versions are not the same you need that squeaky pedal to step on gotta have that squeaky pedal yeah it doesn't feel the same if have you seen those videos of people of like high level players in arc arcades actually jumping behind stuff when it comes to that point. That sounds awesome. In case anyone was wondering, in this game, you step on a pedal
Starting point is 00:02:50 to either enter or exit cover when you're shooting at people. It's a light gun game. Cover-based shooters were not a thing at that time. That's right. Namco was ahead of the curve there. They invented it. Man.
Starting point is 00:03:02 Well, man, last week's episode was a real when i'm i'm wondering how long this one will be because it is a clip show yes and it is the best clip show uh i think so oakley and weinstein they had to do a clip show uh contractually jinx and also they wanted to make it good and i think they accomplished a lot especially in the days before dvds they're showing us a lot of things that we can't see normally like tracy allman shows shorts and we can't also see deleted scenes at this time so they're really offering a service to the viewers you don't even really think of it as a clip show because you're seeing all of this oh i didn't know about this i did not know about the tracy
Starting point is 00:03:36 allman show stuff like henry did henry was like day one well not day one on allman but i was watching this third year of allllman live as a kid. I wondered if it was real. I was like, is this real? What the hell? This is so ugly. I was a Simpsons historian even then, and I was like, yes, finally, I can see these. And also they knew that they, Oakley Weinstein and other, like, Phil Hartman makes everything better.
Starting point is 00:03:59 Like, we can just lean on Phil Hartman to make this work. I mean, and he does. Oh, my God. For real. I don't think anybody else could nail that the way that he did. It's funny that there are like quotes that you quote from a clip show. Like there are a few lines in this that I do quote, like the last clip show.
Starting point is 00:04:15 No, not, there was not one good line in another Simpsons clip show. No, there wasn't. Yeah. Okay. No,
Starting point is 00:04:21 I mean, that was made aggressively bad to prove a point that they could. I wanted to talk about the production, though. So in terms of budget, they had about five minutes of full animation they could use. So you can see there's a lot of still Troy McClure. There's a lot of frames of things that are shown, especially the viewer mail thing. A lot of rock and roll voice movements on Troy as well. That too.
Starting point is 00:04:43 And this episode was directed and written pseudonymously. So the director is David Silverman. And the writer is John Vitti, who goes into the story on the commentary. He's like, I'm not sure how much of this I can say, but he basically did it to avoid a lengthy court thingy. Like, you owe us X amount of scripts. You can't leave. He's like, but I want to leave. That's how I read it.
Starting point is 00:05:04 I think instead of writing two episodes, he agreed to write one episode and two clip shows as a way to get out of writing an entire full episode of something. That makes sense. Yeah, he went by Pennywise and Pound Foolish on this one because it was their way of saying fuck you to how cheap Fox was being to get another
Starting point is 00:05:20 episode to syndicate. That was the point of it. But this episode starts off with them just like getting in your face like this is a clip show guys this is not a normal episode if you're bored by this get out of here now i have one more thing to add though about the production uh like all of the extra episodes we see in season six and seven and eight they're not run by the showrunners at the time in this case this one is run by george meyer and greg daniels so like merkin would come back to run a few episodes in this season, you know, like Lisa the Vegetarian and Team Homer.
Starting point is 00:05:48 These two guys were just put on board to run the clip show. Wow. That kind of thing makes me think like if Daniels hadn't left to co-create King of the Hill, he would have been the guy who took over for Oakley Weinstein. I think it would have been Greg Daniels and David S. Cohen being like twin showrunners. Yeah, that's true.
Starting point is 00:06:03 If they hadn't both got their own show damn it leave a big mike scully sized void open right there i we talked with bill oakley a little bit about this clip show uh in our second interview on patreon listeners and uh he details a lot about how like their budget came out of a different place it was from the fox ad budget and right racy yeah and that they only had these deleted scenes because of like just an editor saved it nobody thought in the 90s like should we save these uh things we filmed on the sims people would trash stuff like that in the 90s all the time one of the reasons i mentioned babylon 5 last episode one of the things that's infuriating about babylon
Starting point is 00:06:41 5 is that it all it was done in cg the time and the CG unfortunately is still in standard def because they weren't able to up res it because they don't have any of the original models or anything so if they wanted to ever remaster it and put it in HD they would have to redo all of the CG from scratch people have those kind of budgets for Star Trek they don't have it on five they just deleted it why do you use it again i think large large chunks large chunks of johnny carson's early tonight show run are just gone which is why he later took the steps to preserve everything he has ever done since then and like whole episodes of doctor who are now just missing yeah you know and johnny carson was uh so much about archiving that if uh you're like me
Starting point is 00:07:25 and fake being a filmmaker to get access to the johnny carson archives which i did briefly i know i make a movie well you really only get to see like a uh labeled preview of it to then go like well i would like to pay you twenty thousand dollars to use this clip in my documentary about a person johnny carson interviewed once but the most interesting thing on is not only is it like the best version of filmed late night stuff from like the 70s or 80s it is the entire broadcast including commercials oh wow it is the best version of 80s commercials that are on there too in the johnny carson archives even though i don't think he should have even the rights to that right but I think maybe he had a special deal or something
Starting point is 00:08:06 because no one was thinking about preserving talk shows at the time. And now you can't make a documentary about, say, Gilbert Gottfried without paying the Carson family a little bit of scratch to get those rights to his footage in there. Media companies are very sophisticated now.
Starting point is 00:08:23 Yeah, they now understand ownership. Well, you think about in the 80s and even in the 90s, I mean, TV was 40 years old at that point. I mean, it was still a relatively new medium, all things considered. They weren't thinking about music rights. We're lucky that The Simpsons is so big
Starting point is 00:08:39 that Fox will, after the fact, repay for music license rights for DVD releases. Yeah, sure. It doesn't happen with, say, Mission Hill. It's weird to see, like, on modern documentaries like the Dana Carvey show when they just use YouTube clips.
Starting point is 00:08:52 And, like, they're just like us. They have the same resources as we do. That's true. Yeah. God damn. So this episode made me miss Phil Hartman so much. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:01 It's one of his best. Easily one of his best. I mean, he carries the whole thing by himself. That's one of his best one easily one of his best i mean he carries the whole thing by himself that's why i re-watched this one so many times in syndication and whenever i saw come out i was like oh yeah this one because of phil hartman he probably made this show a lot cheaper to make because he is one actor as opposed to seven five or seven yeah you know only dan does any new voice acting in this of the regulars because he plays Matt Groening. Oh, right.
Starting point is 00:09:27 And that was probably just like, come in here for five seconds and say this. But at the same time, they had to come up with new designs for Sam Simon, Matt Groening, and James L. Brooks. And they actually animated Matt Groening, too. David Silverman worked extra hard on this, even though he, we'll get to it later, but he was not happy during the production of this at times i wonder why yes but uh so the opening gag with the sign of the alternate lifestyle senior prom sounds like a the senior prom for gay kids yes though it really reminded me this is not exactly the same but there was a great hbo documentary called prom night in mississippi which was about charlton mississippi's first integrated prom and this happened in 2008 oh boy they had segregated proms not segregated schools but proms would have been say like 1988 yes like 1968 that's why it's
Starting point is 00:10:20 so fascinating in 2008 in mississippi they're, I guess we better integrate the proms. Like, Jesus Christ, right? They took off their cowboy hats and stomped on them. Prom night in Mississippi, a good one. Mississippi, the worst state in America. Did you ever go to a gay prom, Henry? No, no, I was not out at the time. I totally did.
Starting point is 00:10:37 You did? Yeah, it was great. I went with my friend. We were not dating at the time, but we totally went and it was great. Because my high school said that you could not go with someone in the same sex my girlfriend on the other hand did get to go with a girl to her prom oh boo man because she lived in the city and i lived in the suburbs oh of course man wow man you were you were out and proud back in high school not me no way i just had a terrible prom i don't want to talk about it i have an unexpected clip unexpected
Starting point is 00:11:03 clip alert listen Listen to me. So Troy McClure says you may remember him from such specials as Alien Nose Job. This is referencing a very recent thing in Fox history. A huge, huge, huge special of theirs called Alien Autopsy Fact or Fiction. It aired on August 28th, 1995. You might think that is too recent for this show to reference. But as the commentary tells us, these clip shows often had like three weeks of production to put together. Wow. So
Starting point is 00:11:27 this is Jonathan Frakes introducing a fucking load of horse shit for Fox viewers. It's great. The following program deals with controversial subjects. The theories, opinions, and beliefs expressed are not the only possible interpretation. Viewers are invited to make a judgment based on all available information.
Starting point is 00:11:44 I did not watch this. If what you are about to see is real, it's the most startling film footage in history. Although we remain skeptical, some experts believe this is authentic footage of an alien life form. Real or not, we must warn you. This appears to be an actual autopsy. Some of the footage you will see in the next hour is very gruesome. Stay with us as we put the question to you. Alien autopsy, fact or fiction? I remember the commercials for that.
Starting point is 00:12:13 I watched this and I was freaked out by it. But now looking at it, it's like this is the fakest thing ever. And I love the language. If this is real, then holy shit. But if not, who's to say? Who am I to say? I don't know. They also did a found footage type thing that scared the hell out of me.
Starting point is 00:12:26 Before Blair Witch, I was like, oh my God, those people were taken by the aliens. I watched that, but I recognized one of the actors immediately, and I was like, oh, this is fake. But man, using the good name of William Riker to sell this. Well, I mean, this was a year after tng and and he was a couple years out from directing first contact he needed some work i just love how non-committal they are if this is real then wow just wow everybody if this were to be real then on that possibility we recommend that you decide not us this was such a fox i mean they were totally piggybacking on the popularity of x
Starting point is 00:13:02 files at this point i mean uh ufo stuff was so huge in the 90s and i also remember around this time i think at the end of this season or the next of x-files it ends with an alien autopsy of course alien autopsy was like in it was in the zeitgeist molder films himself doing an autopsy of an alien but then even he doesn't believe it's real as he's doing it and he sells it to fox and makes lots of money i think it got like 10 million viewers or something crazy like that like a ton of people watch this when people watch tv before before youtube man but yes let's let's hear that troy mcclure intro this episode is going to be a great one listeners because it's pretty much just all phil hartman voice hello i'm t Troy McClure. You may remember me from such Fox Network specials as Alien Nose Job
Starting point is 00:13:47 and Five Fabulous Weeks of the Chevy Chase Show. Tonight we're here to honor America's favorite non-prehistoric cartoon family. You'll see long-lost footage. Never-before-seen material from your favorite episodes. Old favorites you can't see in syndication. This episode also fits into Oakley and Weinstein's MO in that they're very much like the caretakers of the Simpsons, the historians of the Simpsons. They want to celebrate it, like celebrate the lore of the show and the history of the show. So I feel like this is very much their thing. Well, think about 1995. You didn't have access to any of this
Starting point is 00:14:30 information. This is not on YouTube. The internet was prehistoric at that time, so you would be searching high and low for this stuff. I didn't know any of this. No way. Me neither. I don't know how, but I did. Like, I got every Simpsons magazine. Because you were a super fan, right?
Starting point is 00:14:45 Yes, I guess so, yeah. For somebody like me who discovered it through syndication, I didn't know about, like, the Tracy Ullman show. I didn't know about half these clips, right? I knew about the Ullman show, but I didn't know about, like, that there even could be deleted scenes or that they filmed other versions of Who Shot Mr. Burns, you know, that they did all that stuff.
Starting point is 00:15:03 And you're right bob that david marquette lg and mike reese in their in their clip shows they weren't thinking like ah who cares like the i'm not thinking like a fan i'm thinking of miss itchy and scratchy short was funny you just put that yeah yeah they really wanted to like make a clip show tolerable but also have it celebrate the show because we're seeing a lot of episodes this season and last that are kind of sort of like rewarding listeners sorry rewarding viewers rather for watching so long and remembering things i like that it's a him warning people like old favorites you can't see in syndication which is like no you can't see these and so they're all in syndication oh what
Starting point is 00:15:36 which ones well just him saying like you can't watch these in syndication you can't watch tracy allman show well you can't yes but he says old favorites you can't see in syndication, that's a lie. You're watching all of these in syndication. That's true. But of all the things to show when he's talking about old favorites, it's Hitler being smashed by Itchy and Scratchy in an off-model Itchy and Scratchy. Oh, you can't see in syndication. They were cut from the syndicated versions.
Starting point is 00:15:58 Oh, I see. That scene was cut from syndication. That's true. Okay, that makes some more sense. And that makes, like Bill Oakley andosh weinstein during their commentaries they will complain loudly like they cut this part out in syndication and i hate that they did that like they remember which jokes were cut out i mean i remember too it feels like a missing limb if i see uh if i when i would watch in syndication that's why like when i hear uh some folks who who watched it all in syndication
Starting point is 00:16:23 i i feel bad. I envy the dead in that case. I'm sorry. Look, you had no other options. I understand. We had DVDs now. I've seen the full episode. But when I would watch them in syndication, I'm not saying I wouldn't watch them.
Starting point is 00:16:37 I'd watch them passively if they were on. But it would drive me crazy every time there was a missing joke. I hated it it i would shake my we have heard the oral history of henry's tapes on this podcast many times december 14th 1994 it's been a harsh winter and i deleted one scene on accident mother well that's i feel that same way when i watch these things like oh that's a joke i didn't hear because i taped it wrong like it's you're still living with the guilt i i do well that's my joke i didn't hear because i taped it wrong like it's you're still living with the guilt i i do well that's my anxiety in general of just like i remember a thing
Starting point is 00:17:10 i said wrong once eight years later the clips you deleted haunt you in your dreams i'll tell you my vhs story after this podcast okay uh so i love the the intro to telling you it's 23 new footage and then also bart saying i will only do this once a year on the chalkboard which uh they they even slow that down after this next clip shows until season 10 the all singing all dancing i think it's a reference to how fox wanted them to do four clip shows a year just to pad out episode length there's a pad out season orders to get syndication money that's another one that was still a thing to be honest we were like we need 24 episodes okay 24 episodes it is for this one to get for this season to get to 25 they had to have two merkin created ones and a clip show because
Starting point is 00:17:51 they it was too pushing the regular team too far to do 22 episodes bill oakley and josh weinstein's like welcome to being a boss yeah make it work they both said you gain like 60 pounds by being a simpson showrunner and then we get all the couch gags in a row including they top it with the longest time filling his couch gag they love to use of the of the big uh circusy ending and the kick the kick line that was an algin and mike reese like late season four favorite like we are so overworked we're leaving the show like just put the circus thing in again we need to kill time we need 30 more seconds on this just play the circus one yeah i will always associate the circus one with the 138th episode spectacular because you the montage of all the couch gags is part of the episode right the one you end with out of all the
Starting point is 00:18:39 couch gags i also i saw a uh they have in there on the couch gag, the, the one where they run off the screen and then get back in. It was, I just saw it appreciated by follow lots of animation dorks on Twitter, believe it or not. Uh, they talked about how amazing the squash and stretch is in it. And they asked like, who animated this at David Silverman at two Batron. And he replied like, I'm pretty sure that was Greg Vanzo. One of my favorites i was like yeah when you see it slow down you're like god they're so squashy and stretchy they've never
Starting point is 00:19:09 been more cartoony yes yeah meanwhile you see like the simpsons can't move now they just they're very much stuck in place uh so then we get a cute little history of the simpsons the simpsons began as the brainchild of cartoonist Matt Groening, the already famous creator of such comics as Damnation, Johnny Reb, and True Murder Stories. In 1987, Groening teamed up with award-winning producers James L. Brooks and Sam Simon. And what better place to premiere their creation than on the Tracy Ullman Show, the nation's showcase for psychiatrist jokes and musical comedy numbers.
Starting point is 00:19:51 On April 19th, 1987, America first met The Simpsons. So you'll never see those shorts in higher quality again. No. Especially when you're watching them on a DVD with an HDTV, you will see the edge of the artwork that was never meant to be seen. TV Overscan was supposed to cover that up, so you see literally the edge of the cells, little markings that you're not supposed to see. We asked Bill Oakley about this, and he didn't know if there was any reason the shorts haven't been officially released in any other form than this clip show. I believe one of the prevailing theories is that Matt Groening just doesn't want people to see them, that it looks weird, they're not right.
Starting point is 00:20:29 And so he doesn't want to share them. Maybe it's one of those things we have to wait until Matt Gro show, the co-creator of the show, Jim Mallon, his arm was twisted enough where he finally released himself the missing episodes that people did not tape, like the three beginning episodes. That was nice of him to do that. I'm sure a creator is going, well, this is what The Simpsons is,
Starting point is 00:20:58 like what you're watching right now. It was almost like a prototype. It was, but Bob and I have been watching all the shorts for the $10 and up patrons. Get over there, folks. But when we watch them, I've gotten a new appreciation for them. They are crude.
Starting point is 00:21:13 They are the characters are not themselves in a lot of cases. Homer especially is like much more violent and mean. And stern. But the animators are having a lot of fun there. Yeah. And they're doing a lot of cool stuff in it it's and they're inventing an entire thing right in front of your eyes it's it's special in that way it's fun to see how much of it is actually nailed down that early but i want to go back you think i
Starting point is 00:21:36 want to go back to the sam simon drawing the drawing of him as howard hughes with the long fingernails and long beard and surrounded by syringes. So the original joke was Sam Simon's photo was going to be text photo not available. And that was a joke by John Vitti about how Sam was written out of the history of the show. They asked for permission from Sam and he's like, no, no, no. Do this instead. And he sends them that drawing.
Starting point is 00:21:58 If you don't remember, Sam Simon helped create the characters in terms of how they're drawn. He created Otto and Mr. Burns. Some of the major characters. So he drew that image that is a sam simon drawing you're looking at wow i never knew that yep man it's that that is impressive i mean sam simon gets uh deleted out of it partially because him and matt graining didn't get along at all and the the matt graining narrative is much more fun yes yeah i fucking love I fucking love the Matt. So the Matt Groening one to me as a comic book nerd was great because there are many crotchety hard right wing cranks in the comic book world.
Starting point is 00:22:35 Especially as they get older, even if they weren't at one point, guys like say Frank Miller. Thanks 9-11. Yes. Yeah. But there's a ton of dudes like that in in the comic book world and so that matt graining that i just love that you're waiting for creator of such comics as and you're just waiting to hear a life in hell they're going to talk about life and hell
Starting point is 00:22:54 instead he drew ec comics except more violent and more uh hard right uh especially johnny rebb i assume is about a heroic Confederate soldier. I mean, isn't he stabbing a Confederate flag into a dead Union soldier? Exactly. Yeah. I mean. And just that photo of Matt Groening with one eye, missing an eye, saluting a flag. I think there's a little of John Ford in there as well.
Starting point is 00:23:21 That's a good gag because Matt Groening is, you know, such a liberal. He's a big old lefty. He's a pinko. Should go back to Massachusetts. A little John Swartzwellner in there as well. That's a good gag because Mac Groening is such a liberal. He's a big old lefty. He's a pinko. Should go back to Massachusetts. A little John Swartzwellner in there too. Oh yes, that's true. And then meanwhile, James L. Brooks is just buried in money and awards. That's who James L. Brooks is.
Starting point is 00:23:38 And when they talk about psychiatrist jokes on Tracy Ullman, I believe they're specifically talking about the other short that aired next to The Simpsons in the first season. Dr. Ngatu. Yeah. Ngatu. It's not funny. You can watch them all on YouTube. They're
Starting point is 00:23:54 cute. They're just about a I mean, it's more of a feminine short for sure. Though, I guess it actually fits more with the tone of Tracy Ullman than The Wild Simpsons and it does yeah but i mean look i don't want to be too mean to them they're fine i love graining on the commentary though just laughing and how some people have come to think he actually is that guy
Starting point is 00:24:16 and not the big soft portland hippie that he really is you just read one life in hell comic like current ones are old. One recent ones are him just like speaking to the camera of like, here are my liberal beliefs right now. I'm going to spell them out for you. They're all super leptos. If you don't know who Matt Groening is while watching this, you won't get these jokes.
Starting point is 00:24:36 Yes. Yeah. You might think they are exaggerating, maybe like existing right wing ideas, but you don't know. You don't get it. It's the opposite of Mac. I had no idea to be perfectly honest when I i watched it but i thought it was kind of funny that there was this guy with an ipad yelling get out of my office shooting he kills the cameraman because i assumed that i mean
Starting point is 00:24:53 i was like oh he's probably not that bad i don't know what he's like i'm sure that this is some kind of caricature i don't know but it was still funny uh but those those shorts seeing well so i hadn't seen all those shorts, but I was prepared for what the shorts are. But when you first saw the shorts, Kat, were you, like, shocked? Oh, yeah. Of course I was, because I was like, man, this is really crude. And also, that wasn't funny at all. I mean, what the hell?
Starting point is 00:25:16 I like the Troy comments on how unfunny it is, too. Good night. Troy, Kat. good night they haven't changed a bit have they as the weeks went on so did the cartoon there was like this beat where he just looks at the camera like what the hell what did i just watch because he's like probably the audience is thinking the same thing. Like, what the hell? Matt Groening is only talking about his regrets seeing it on the commentaries. It's like, why did I just draw hearts in that frame? I forgot to finish the background there. Well, he'd never animated before.
Starting point is 00:25:58 We'd never done it. Well, if you think of it, you've been working on a thing for a while. You've been honing your craft. And you're like, yeah, it's okay. I still have a lot of problems. And then you go back to your earliest version. You're like, what? This is terrible.
Starting point is 00:26:10 I hide it in a hole. I never want anybody to see it ever again. Anytime I read something I wrote like five years ago, I'm like, how did I ever hit publish on this? I am the worst. I should cut my wrist right now. Jesus. I don't think that far ahead, guys. Sorry.
Starting point is 00:26:24 But then I love this comment by Troy, too. wrists right now jesus uh i don't think that far ahead guys sorry uh but uh then we i get i love this comment by troy too maybe the drawings were a little crude but all the characters were there itchy and scratchy grandpa simpson and crusty the clown making fun of themselves still more yeah more like the writers making fun of the animators and david silverman was very mad about this rightly so yeah i'm actually i'm on his side those yeah i really like okay so the joke is mean but i love the bad grandpa the three the three-eyed grandpa and the crusty is like just above a stick figure but he's like a balloon animal or something but in case you haven't listened to our premium videos the thing about the original shorts, especially in the first year, Matt Groening would draw a storyboard, a.k.a. a comic strip for the gags, and hand them to three animators, David Silverman, Wes Archer, and Bill Kopp, and just said, you figure it out. And they did.
Starting point is 00:27:21 And David Silverman and Wes Archer, especially because they stuck around the longest, they define the movement and look of the simpsons more than anyone oh for sure yeah and and they did a great and the first cartoons that have grandpa in them and crusty they do look slightly off from what we're used to but they look good they're animated well they're like 20 different maybe yeah they're 20 they they don't look that bad so david silverman is right to be mad there's already a clear discomfort between writers and animators on the commentary that if i was david silverman who honestly is better than a clip show he should not be even doing a clip show that's like that's way below his pay grade way way yeah surprisingly he left a little after the season. Yeah, so I think he was right to get pissed off about that
Starting point is 00:28:09 and then mocking the shorts. And they also had no budget either. Nothing. But okay, then we get our first commercial break. In the opening credits, what does the cash register say when Maggie is scanned? The cash register says NRA forever. Just one of the hundreds of radical right-wing messages inserted into every show by creator Matt Grading. God, that's beautiful.
Starting point is 00:28:37 They really wrote that gag the entire way. Which it of course does not. I don't know. I think as a kid maybe the next time I watched an episode I paused to see if it really said NRA forever. It might have fooled me once.
Starting point is 00:28:50 That's even less funny now. I'd say not that the NRA wasn't like a terrorist faction in the 90s as well. They have their own TV station now. I didn't get it when that episode aired. I was like NRA what?
Starting point is 00:29:00 Yeah. No I think that's probably what taught me the term NRA as a kid. No wait there's an NRA joke earlier, too. Yeah, in Brother Can You Spare Two Dimes. Where Bart becomes a member of the NRA and he gets to buy cyanide-tipped armor-piercing bullets, too. It's in the Constitution.
Starting point is 00:29:15 It's a ring in the new year. It's a ring in the new year. Again, Grading laughs that one off, too. But I think he's probably not so funny to hear. You have people come up to him like, yeah, I support the NRA too, buddy. The Simpsons will be right back. When you really care about someone, you shout it from the mountaintops.
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Starting point is 00:32:08 You're listening to Talking Simpsons on Lazer Time. I didn't know that was a thing. Then we get a cute little gag about how many letters that The Simpsons has received over six years. Over the six years The Simpsons has been on the air, we've received dozens of letters from fans wanting to know more about the show. Tonight we'll answer some of your questions. Professor Lawrence Pierce of the University of Chicago writes, I think Homer gets stupider every year that's not a question professor but we'll let the viewers judge for themselves this q a is as good an excuse as any to just show clips but yeah
Starting point is 00:32:57 and it's also still images of fake letters which also saves you on animation but internally this was a issue oakley and Weinstein had. They're like, Homer has gotten too stupid. We've made him too stupid. We've got to scale it back. It was a fear for a long time internally. And then eventually they're just like, who cares? He's dumb.
Starting point is 00:33:17 And I know why you're angry about this, Henry. And the writers called it out as well. The last scene is a Halloween episode. It's not fair. It doesn't count they they agree but it was still a funny clip no what they went with were some of the best animated moments like especially the season five and six examples are david silverman fun times of either spinning around and eating chips in space which is not particularly stupid like he's dumber in that
Starting point is 00:33:42 episode in many ways yeah the flaming mo speech is not stupid it's just a fun speech to watch like the magical man from happy land it's just like it's not him being stupid it's him being stubborn and now now i don't know that that is that is stupid i liked how self-aware uh the the joke was about homer getting stupider every year and that was the thing that i think always made simpsons kind of special was how self-aware it was in a time when TV was beginning to become self-aware but not really. And I think that maybe for people who grew up in that time period, being self-aware was the height of being cool. You were smart enough to know how dumb stuff was.
Starting point is 00:34:21 That's like ironic, man. I spotted the tropes, man. How do you like that? I think other shows were shy to point out TV's cheap tricks because they wanted to rely on those they didn't want to be like isn't this stupid that we do this it's like no we do this and we present it to you legitimately uh and so also when i was a kid i i knew more people worked on it than matt graining but even now part of the show is me getting used to the idea of like, well, who does make this show then? Like I the size and scope of the staff, I still have like not even come close to getting a handle on.
Starting point is 00:34:51 But this was an explanation back in 1995. Dr. Linus Ervin of the Sloan Kettering Memorial Institute writes, how does Matt Groening find the time to write and draw an entire Simpsons episode every week? But the answer to this, we went straight to the source. Get out of my office! Of course, what Matt meant to say, according to his attorneys, is that he couldn't possibly do it alone. And he insisted that we make time to acknowledge the hard work of everyone who makes The simpsons possible
Starting point is 00:35:26 that's the land of chocolate music by the way it's from the movie tucker that was the temp track for that episode but they thought it was so good they didn't make new music it's beautiful i do love it and if you pause it there that is a bunch that is a mess of names but it kind of mixed together everybody the writers animators tech people everybody else but you'll you'll you can pick out like dave murkin dan castle and that it also repeats them a couple times okay how lazy they even get lazy in this in a clip show but that the get out of my office is one of my favorite so well delivered it's good the animation's great too and then he has a kind of like fine he's kind of like kicked back by the gun he's such a weak old man it's
Starting point is 00:36:08 beautiful i gotta give a thumbs up to silverman on that one yeah just the kick on his gun it's beautiful and i guess he killed a cameraman yeah that person is dead then once you see all these clips together i think you finally realize that uh what Smithers' real deal is. Ambassador Henry Mwabwetumba of the Ivory Coast writes, What is the real deal with Mr. Burns' assistant, Smithers? You know what I'm talking about. Of course we do. The preparations for your birthday have begun. I won't get what I really want.
Starting point is 00:36:41 No one does. Happy birthday, Mr. Smithers. As you can see, the real deal with Waylon Smithers is that he's Mr. Burns' assistant. He's in his early 40s, is unmarried, and currently resides in Springfield.
Starting point is 00:37:04 Thanks for writing. We'll be right back. The whole, like, turning on the computer and having him do the, you're quite adept at turning me on. I had not seen that episode. Oh, whoa. Because that one just didn't seem to be in syndication rotation for me. Oh, have you never seen Lisa vs. Mel Bustamante?
Starting point is 00:37:20 No, I've seen it now. Oh, not then. Okay. It's a classic now, but, like, there were a lot of these gags that I was introduced to through this. I was just like,. Oh, not then. Okay. It's a classic now, but there were a lot of these gags that I was introduced to through this. I was just like, oh, that's funny. I wonder what episode that's from.
Starting point is 00:37:30 I have to object slightly to this compilation because it is framing Smithers as the Burns asexual he used to be instead of just the standard gay man he would become. Because they're like, we can make more than one gay joke. We can make a ton of gay jokes if he was gay for all men. If he was just interested in, if he was interested in all men instead of just Burns, we could mock him in so many ways for being gay. This season, he left Monty to go to a gay resort
Starting point is 00:37:52 where he couldn't take pictures. We would hear about his choice of lifestyle. That's right, yeah. This is your dead grandmother. That's right, yeah. I love that line. I can't wait for Homer's phobia to come up but when you see all those strung together you're like oh these are a lot of gay jokes on smithers
Starting point is 00:38:10 that they they finally put together all at once but bobby talk about little henry getting angry and stuff uh in in watching this first time when i saw this commercial break questionnaire i got so angry because i got this question wrong and didn't know why. Which popular Simpsons characters have died in the past year? If you said Bleeding Gums Murphy and Dr. Marvin Monroe, you are wrong. They were never popular. That's my line of the show. Yeah, let's do it.
Starting point is 00:38:43 All right. That's the joke it's so good because it totally takes a shot you were already talking about this this is like talking to take totally taking a shot at round springfield and bleeding gums murthy and from that point on they define that character as not that popular no one nobody cared about him and that segment is kind of like, who's that Pokemon? You're right. So Henry was like hurtling Spider-Man action figures across the room. So I wasn't mad that they said that
Starting point is 00:39:13 Bleeding Gums wasn't popular. What I was mad at was, it comes up and I'm like, oh, I'm definitely getting this right. That's Bleeding Gums Murphy and who is that other guy? And then when it came back and they said Marvin Monroe I was like, he never died. What are they talking about? That's bleeding comes Murphy. And who is that other guy? And then when it came back and they said, Marvin Monroe is like, he never died.
Starting point is 00:39:27 What are they talking about? That never happened. He's not dead. Well, I'm like, I was searching for that answer for like two years before it was a memorial hospital. Henry,
Starting point is 00:39:36 I never heard that line. It's so fast. It's not even a spoken line. It's a, is it spoken? I don't remember. Yeah. Marvin Monroe Memorial Hospital.
Starting point is 00:39:44 That's where Homer was getting burned. When I first saw this episode, I forgot about that line. So I assume, oh, it's like they're callously killing a character off screen because you haven't seen him in so long, so fuck him. I thought that was a joke. But then doing this again and watching DVDs and stuff, it's like, oh, no. They did kill him off screen much earlier. It actually happened.
Starting point is 00:40:01 Just nobody noticed it. It was so subtle no one noticed. Watching Insinication, I always associated those two characters with quote-unquote old Simpsons. I preferred Simpsons of, say, the American era and seasons four through
Starting point is 00:40:17 seven. There are a lot of season one staples who, when you see them, especially in silhouette, you're like, these are monsters these aren't humans they have season one ass design i didn't like though i didn't like season one in particular so i was like oh if i saw dr marvin monroe i'd be like oh okay i'm not gonna marvin monroe is particularly doodly he looks like a doodle not not and i don't mean a penis i can see your doodle feels like a hangover a holdover from tracy ullman actually yeah and he would uh he
Starting point is 00:40:45 would be unkilled in season 15's diatribe of a mad housewife though uh though blood and guts murphy has stayed dead as has his actor that says ron taylor yeah he's the bucky rogers of the show so i did complain about that but they were never popular is such a great line it's one of those good quotes from this episode yeah i know no quotes in the april fool's day one maybe you get i would have quoted like the foolest day in your life with an electrified fooling machine i would have said that i can't think of another one yoink they say yoink yoink is good i'll take yoink now troy is going to be introducing some deleted scenes right about now you're
Starting point is 00:41:25 probably saying Troy I've seen every Simpsons episode you can't show me anything new you've got some attitude mister besides you're wrong because sometimes episodes run long and certain scenes never get aired so fire up your VCR because here for the first time ever are the cutout classics when i was watching i bet uh in first viewing i probably said out loud like troy i already have my vcr ready i'm recording it right now you got some nerve henry i i was the simpson nerd as a kid saying like i've seen every episode you can't show me anything new they blew your mind didn't they they did i had no clue that i mean that really gets you to hang on in first viewing to the third act because you're like i want to see these deleted scenes like what else can they show me i need i need more some of those deleted scenes are more famous than like
Starting point is 00:42:14 the actual things like the robotic richard simmons has become like an actual thing it has become its own thing it's out lib it's deleted and yet like that is not actually a good joke and people were like that was probably a good idea that they cut it but people are like no that's so funny oh my god i think it went from being celebrated to now being viewed as hacky yeah but it is hacky i mean i agree it's hacky it's it's like the animation is good but it's like that's the argument amongst the staff was like this is a low-hanging fruit like making fun of richard simmons and i agree i agree they're better than They definitely are. But it just works in this episode. It does.
Starting point is 00:42:47 But so first we get something that Krusty gets canceled deleted scenes. So let's teleport back to the season finale broadcast of season four. When Krusty the Clown got cancer, he tried everything to stay on the air. Here's what you didn't see. If you watch my show,
Starting point is 00:43:03 I will send you this book featuring me in a variety of sexually explicit positions. What? Oh, hey! It's not really me. I used a stunt butt. Krusty, we're from the network. We have some bad news. I'm afraid your show's been cancelled. I thought this would happen.
Starting point is 00:43:20 I just hope you replace me with something as educational and uplifting as I tried to be. Actually, it's a hemorrhoid infomercial starring Claude Aiken. Can I play hemorrhoid sufferer number one? Oh, that hurts. Oh, is there no relief? I don't think so.
Starting point is 00:43:38 Well, how about one of the after guys? Ah, that's better. I can ride a bike again. Sorry. I remember my friends and I trading back, I can ride a bike again. Sorry. I remember my friends and I trading back, I can ride a bike again. That is a great line. That's what makes it. The reference to the infamous Madonna sex book.
Starting point is 00:43:53 Her sexy sex book. If you want to see her, man, definitely there's one with her in Vanilla Ice. I know that is shot in that book. And I think the most famous shot from it is her hitchhiking naked. That's the that's the big picture from sex you want to see the book go on google image search and search for madonna
Starting point is 00:44:08 sex book you don't have to pay a hundred dollars for it anymore it would it that was something that broke puritanical america the sex book back when it came out when i saw this deleted scene now it made me realize like in the episode crusty gets canceled without that scene you don't actually see him get canceled yeah i think we talked about it on that podcast you see this scene is pivotal yeah this is a pivotal scene uh in original broadcast the first act ends with crusty just seeing that no one is in his audience and then when you come back from commercial break crusty is talking like well we've been canceled but i crushed the special olympics like but they don't have crusty
Starting point is 00:44:45 actually getting canceled which is this scene is so i'm kind of shocked they cut it though it's i mean it doesn't have a famous person and the joke itself isn't actually that great they needed more time for sideshow luke perry who's quite funny i wish he'd come back and he's he's bigger than ever now he's on riverdale as archie's dad. Friend of the show. Friend of the show. Kinda. Kinda. And then we get into the very recent deleted scenes of, well, first we get the Mr. Bond scene, which they cut, I think, out of fear of lawsuits from folks. Yeah, I think they had to call him Mr. Bont. Bont.
Starting point is 00:45:22 And it's Blofeld, except with an extra accessory. But it's a funny scene, especially like, rules for drawn stud polka. You're not going to fool me with that one again. Yeah. And James Bond is right. He always wins. He doesn't lose. That's why it's a big shock in Casino Royale when he actually does lose at Texas Hold'em,
Starting point is 00:45:42 which Bond is better than that. Bond should not be playing Texas Hold'em. He plays Baccarat in the novel that I which like bond is better than that bond should not be playing texas uh he plays baccarat in the in the novel that i read it's better than the movie exactly though how racist was uh it's one of the least racist bond novels all right which casino royale are we referring to i'm talking about the the daniel craig then i mean texas holden was speaking that time i know but baccarat is his game, man. They shouldn't go with a... If James Bond does one thing, it's not go along with trendy things. Yes, good old Burt Baccarat.
Starting point is 00:46:12 So then we get scenes from the then very recent Mother Simpson. Earlier this year, Homer's long-lost mother returned, and so did a long-lost care package. Homer, please. You don't have to wolf down that 25-year-old candy just to make me happy. But it won't make you unhappy, right? Hey, space food sticks! Oh, I wish I had these on my space adventure.
Starting point is 00:46:44 Did you know I was blasted into space two years ago, Mom? Oh, sure, I read all about it I mean, it was national news Do you still work for NASA? No, I work at the nuclear power plant Oh, Homer Well, you'll be happy to know I don't work very hard Actually, I'm bringing the plant down from the inside
Starting point is 00:47:03 Oh, I forgot. I didn't keep in the sound effect of him tapping his nose. It's a great noise. I think we all tapped our nose during that scene. Maybe you could hear it, listeners. A little bit of the spirit of his mother is alive. He's bringing down the nuclear industry from the inside. I mean, through laziness, not trying to. It's a viable tactic.
Starting point is 00:47:19 He only created a three-mile island. That's true. That's true. And much like Grimey would do later, they are tearing apart Deep Space Homer in the show of just like, this is crazy. This was national news. You're not a normal man anymore. You're the famous guy who crashed a spaceship. And Homer doesn't realize why people wouldn't know it.
Starting point is 00:47:39 He's like, have you heard about this? It's like, yes, you went to space. It was a huge disaster. You almost died. You almost killed Ray Spanion. And Buzz Aldrin. Yeah. You did it all.
Starting point is 00:47:49 But if you want to know what space food sticks are, I have a helpful commercial to explain it. Today, the United States is engaged in a gigantic effort to send men to the moon. For this effort, Pillsbury has developed many special foods. Here is the first one to be made available to the public. Space food sticks. To meet the demands of a long space
Starting point is 00:48:10 flight, space food sticks had to be a compact, nutritious, high energy food. That's why they make the perfect between meal energy snack. Sure. I didn't know that was a real name of a real product. Space food sticks. It's so bad, right?
Starting point is 00:48:25 I could see the Pillsbury executive, you got these sticks for space, space food sticks, make them who gives a shit? I mean, if you just said, that's how Tang did so well it's because you just said oh, they use this in space oh, every child in America is going to buy this it's got a cool name that will eventually become filthy
Starting point is 00:48:41 Tang oh, Tang and then we get some this is the first time i realized in bart sell in the homer sells his soul's clip troy is making a joke by saying cracked up to be because homer's skull cracks in the thing i didn't never took that as a bad joke you're right i mean it's it's just how dick things. Like, oh, these guys aren't going to RIP Dick Clark. But I love these deleted scenes from Treehouse because we not only get a Troy McClure episode, but we get a lost scene of Lionel Hutz, which I am so sad they deleted.
Starting point is 00:49:16 Layers, layers, layers. Oh, Lionel Hutz. Cases won in 30 minutes or your pizza's free. I'd sell my soul for a Formula One racing car. That can be arranged. Changed my mind. Sorry. Cool. Bart, stop pestering Satan.
Starting point is 00:49:37 Your Honor, we find that Homeless Simpson's soul is legally the property of Marge Simpson and not of the devil. Oh. Yeah! Woo-hoo! Oh! Well, I didn't win. Here's your pizza. But we did win.
Starting point is 00:49:52 That's okay. The box is empty. If that's what they cut out, what they leave in must be pure gold. Let's watch some more of those fabulous Simpsons outtakes. He was totally poked with a little cane to wake up. I like that. That's the fattest he's looked to. I want to talk to our audience for a second. If you want to hear more about Simpsons
Starting point is 00:50:11 deleted scenes, we've been doing the collections of them for each season after five. So five is when they started appearing on discs. So every season has at least 25 minutes of deleted scenes and we've covered all of them both in video and podcast version. So if you join our Patreon, you can get one of those. When you really care about someone, you shout it from the mountaintops.
Starting point is 00:50:31 So on behalf of Desjardins Insurance, I'm standing 20,000 feet above sea level to tell our clients that we really care about you. Home and auto insurance personalized to your needs. Weird, I don't remember saying that part visit dejaden.com care and get insurance that's really big on care did i mention that we care a lot of fun things in there that they didn't even put in this but that god him him with his empty pizza box promise is so beautiful. It's so perfect. The box is empty. At some point, I started mixing up whether or not these lines are...
Starting point is 00:51:10 I always thought the Formula One racer thing was totally in that episode. It's such a great gag. That one was just like, they have no time in treehouse things. They always have to cut good stuff from that because they're fitting in three episodes worth of stuff into one episode really and then we get a cut a scene i'm glad they cut it's not exactly i wouldn't call it insensitive entirely but the the apu musical scene is the bollywood movie we're making fun of homer yeah homer's the idiot well i think they're having their cake and eating it too because they are like isn't this crazy look at this crazy film
Starting point is 00:51:49 but also homer out loud saying like i'm laughing because they look different than me i mean it's it's kind of ham-fisted it doesn't really work but as as is the previously mentioned richard simmons in this very special outtake, Homer attempts a reconciliation with his estranged son. Watch. Bert, you're coming home. I want to stay here with Mr. Burns. I suggest you leave immediately. Or what?
Starting point is 00:52:17 You'll release the dogs or the bees or the dogs with bees in their mouth and when they bark they shoot bees at you? Well, go ahead. Do your worst. My worst, eh? Smithers, release the robotic Richard Simmons. Come on, big boy. Shake the butter off those buns. I like the T-1000 animation.
Starting point is 00:52:40 It's good. But it is like, oh, Richard Simmons jokes in 1994 when the episode aired it's just like yeah i know i loved this as a kid but now just like this is some monkey cheese like mad libs comedy uh mr burns just shutting the door is a much better joke because it is just the most simple effective way to keep homer out of the house he shut the door that's a great line or even seeing the dogs who shoot bees at you would be better than richard simmons well the richard simmons stuff overstays it's welcome to it's just like they actually say the dogs who shoot bees etc etc etc in the original episode they do yeah yeah okay
Starting point is 00:53:15 well they kept the best part yeah no that's the best part that's the best part of that scene i will say i'm impressed that smithers always keeps a shotgun under his blazer that's impressive it's good animation like pulling it out and like like cocking it or whatever you do with the shotgun arnold would do yeah it's beautiful but uh but and the head yes good stuff and speaking of more inside jokes here's a quick joke about how how much oakley weinstein loved that maggie was the culprit this past summer all of america was trying to solve the mystery of who shot Mr. Burns. Then they found out it was the baby. To keep this bombshell secret,
Starting point is 00:53:53 the producers animated several solutions that were never intended to air. I mean, this was the best marketing gimmick for this episode of that. Who shot Mr. Burns was so fresh in your memory like to get more answers to that is just a beautiful i think in the commercials i mean i was going to watch this regardless but one of the commercials we got me so hyped was seeing all the different pictures of people shooting mr burns that was great in case you forget from our last episodes
Starting point is 00:54:20 about who shot mr burns i believe josh weinstein wanted barney to do it and have barney be arrested and leave the show for a while but merkin was insistent like no it must be a member of the simpsons this is the simpsons show so they were kind of resistant against the idea the episodes are great though the episode is great yeah and and merkin was very clear that these things that this footage including the smithers ending too he tried to leak it and he says that no news person would take it from him in the entertainment industry and i believe the entire scene with burns and smithers is just written by merkin himself yes yeah he talks about it on the commentary for the episode as one of the only things of his that oakley weinstein ever laughed at he's a little
Starting point is 00:54:59 defensive but yes let's hear some of the smithers bit. And to keep the show's animators, editors, staff, and hangers-on from leaking the solution, two completely different endings were produced. One real. One phony. Here's the ending you were never meant to see. The one who shot me was... Wheelan Smithers! No! Wait a minute yes yes yes it's actually one of my favorite lines
Starting point is 00:55:32 yes no wait a minute yes i do love the five percent pickup no it's so great i actually i actually think i prefer this ending to the one where, because I like the actual solution of, oh, it was Maggie, but I thought it was pretty funny that the whole back and forth with Smithers and him going, no. And the animation on it is, no. It's great. Does he also say, oh, I was busy that night. Yes, exactly.
Starting point is 00:56:00 Right after I shot Jasper. That's another good one right there. And that Burns describes him as drunk as a lemur. Yes. Which is not... Drunk as a lemur. Lemurs don't get drunk. Not a defining characteristic of lemurs.
Starting point is 00:56:12 And then, just to let you know that this was after the OJ trial... Well, I'm just relieved that Homer's safe and that you've recovered and we can all get back to normal. Not exactly. Smithers, for attempting to kill me, I'm giving you a 5% pay cut. Oh. But of course, for that ending to work,
Starting point is 00:56:34 you would have to ignore all the Simpson DNA evidence. And that would be downright nutty. Yeah, I mean, Jurassic Park and O.J. Simpson taught us a lot about DNA. They did. Nobody knew what it was in 1992, and then all of a sudden...
Starting point is 00:56:49 It had that cool spinning helix. Yeah, look at those helix. And then it just became a plot. Remember in the Doom motion picture that they're just like, well, you know, if you map the entire human genome, you'll find the root of evil. Well, thank you for reminding me that that movie exists. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:03 The story checks out. It's not very good. It's got a first-person shooter sequence in it. I'm told that X3 and there's a Doom movie. What's next? The Doom movie, I'd watch it before the Assassin's Creed movie. I'd watch it then. I don't think I would watch
Starting point is 00:57:19 either of those movies because I value my time. The Doom movie knows what it is. I think the Assassin's Creed movie thinks it's a real movie. I think it thought it was the start of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but for games. I remember that E3, I think I was covering it, the Electronics Entertainment Expo for our friends at home
Starting point is 00:57:35 and a large portion of that conference by Ubisoft was just like, let's talk about the movie. Like, no, no, let's not talk about the movie, please. Michael Fassbender thought he had a real thing there.'s like this is my iron man i didn't know no uh no luck there michael fosbender go back to being a jerk then we get to the end of the episode which this is how i think of how businesses uh think of art and i love this line this is another like classic line from this very good clip show oh yeah yes the simpsons
Starting point is 00:58:05 have come a long way since an old drunk made humans out of his rabid characters to pay off his gambling debts who knows what adventures they'll have between now and the time the show becomes unprofitable i'm troy mcclure and i'll leave you with what we all came here to see hardcore nudity that's great so there's one like extra salacious thing they stuck into this compilation uh the scene of from grandpa versus sexual inadequacy where they're just like don't turn on the light don't turn on the light they they use the first take of that scene where marge is completely naked oh yeah not under a blanket it's like you see like 85% of Marge. I know. You are within millimeters of seeing her pubic hair in that shot. Yes.
Starting point is 00:58:51 It's shocking. It is shocking. I would say that Marge is the hottest character, or they draw her to be the hottest woman in Springfield. Oh, boy. That cut scene from Springfield Confidential. Oh, my goodness. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:02 Good lord. You get to see her in her bra, and you're like, boy, this is a bit much. Very cheesecakey. They're having way too much fun. Oh my goodness. Yeah. Good lord. You get to see her in her bra and you're like, boy, this is a bit much. Very cheesecake-y. They're having way too much fun. Oh yeah. All animators are horny. But yeah, so after 2004, the infamous Super Bowl incident where kids saw a covered nipple, this would be verboten. This is basically pornography
Starting point is 00:59:18 now. And they would always laugh at like, we can't show an ass crack on TV anymore yet this can air in syndication at like 3 p.m. They're like, there are no standards. There are no standards. I mean, in the hardcore nudity, you're mostly seeing stuff that no matter where you are in the sexual spectrum, it's not particularly exciting to you. You're seeing Barney lose his diaper. You're seeing Burns in the shower.
Starting point is 00:59:39 You say, look, I'm not making judgment on this. But also a third of it is like Bart's butt. I'm like, I'm good. I don't need to see this. Ultimately, it's like three curved lines moving around just like i'm not getting off to that uh i mean based on the ads i've seen on porn hub site some people are getting off to naked simpsons characters but yeah yeah it's and they're no fun great episode yes my gosh the until the time they become unprofitable it still hasn't happened i mean that that line gets funnier a little funnier every year they're getting close my theory is aljean doesn't think
Starting point is 01:00:12 that they've gotten to their their current season is their last contractually obligated season and aljean doesn't think it's the end but i do think the specter of unprofitability is coming there because now it's a disney property and dis just be like, look, we got 30 years episodes. Like, let's just call it a day and collect money off this. So as of today, they just did the table read for season 30, episode two, titled Tis the 30th Season, probably a Christmas episode. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We also saw the Al Jean tweeted out a picture of the season 30 script called Lisa Dates Homer.
Starting point is 01:00:46 Lisa has a crush on Homer. Yeah, I was like boy, this name. I don't know what's up with this guy. You'll find out in nine months. It'll be fine. I'm sure it'll be fine. Remember when there was the controversy like Homer's going to divorce Marge this season? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:00 I want to end with a confession. I like clip shows actually oh i like clip shows because they're like they often take my funniest or my favorite moments from a particular show and just allow me to relive them that's what that's what we are cat we are a clip show i love montages i love a good montage i love i used to watch a lot of anime music videos back in the day amvs so like a clip show whenever a clip show would come on i'd be like oh great yeah this is an entertaining way to enjoy it to digest my favorite tv show you know i would agree on that hypocrisy of mine that i i crap on these clip shows though not this one but other ones but i've watched so many videos
Starting point is 01:01:43 on youtube of like X characters best lines. Like, oh, this is fun. I want to hear all of Zach Branigan's best lines. But I want to find those on my own and have them edited together by somebody else. I don't want it to take the place of a weekly episode of something. You want to watch them for six minutes, not 22 with commercials. No, I mean, these clip shows are just gravy. They didn't produce this instead of another full episode.
Starting point is 01:02:05 They just did it extra. The thing is, if watching syndication, if it's in syndication, it's like, whatever. It's just a thing. But if it's a new episode, and you're expecting a new episode, and it's a clip show, that's a little rougher. Yeah, that's true.
Starting point is 01:02:18 I think another thing, if they wanted people to like a yearly clip show, they should have had them all hosted by Troy McClure from this one on. They should have had a 167th episode spectacular, a 203rd episode spectacular. And then no more Troy McClure. And then, yes. Sorry to bring you all down, folks. Thank you for listening to Talking Simpsons.
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