Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - Treehouse of Horror III

Episode Date: September 20, 2023

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This podcast is brought to you by patreon.com slash talking Simpsons head there to check out exclusive podcasts like talking Futurama talking of the hill the what a cartoon movie podcast and tons more I hardly endorse this event or product product. Ahoy, hoy, everybody, and welcome to Talking Simpsons, the podcast that carries a terrible curse. I'm your host, the bathing beauty, Bob Mackie, and this is our chronological exploration of The Simpsons. Who is here with me today, as always? Hey, it's Henry Gilbert, and I just want attention.

And this week's episode is Treehouse of Horror 3. Behold, mighty Caesar, in all his glory. This episode originally aired on October 29th, 1992, and as always, Henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real world history. Oh my God! Happy Halloween, Bobby. Madonna releases her erotica album. A River Runs Through It can't beat Under Siege

at the box office. And Wario debuts to the world in Super Mario Land 2, The Six Golden Coins. So we're on A River Runs Through It, eh? I was thinking about this yesterday for no reason. I have no idea why, but in my head I was thinking, which one is A River Runs Through It and which one is Legends of the Fall? They are basically the same movie in my mind.

I just think of the boxes. One of them has Brad Pitt fly fishing. I think he's in both those movies, I believe. I know he's in River Run pitt fly fishing i think he's in both those movies i believe i know he's in river runs through i i think he's in both but yeah it was it was one of multiple movies where they thought like oh brad pitt is the new tom cruise and that he's going to be like a heartthrob in movies and we have to put him in important movies about you know coming of age stories based on boring old novels and all that they never really hit it wasn't until brad pitt became like a weirdo in or play the the oddball like in uh 12 monkeys yeah that's the

first uh to me the first weirdo brad pitt role that's what i knew he uh wasn't just like oh a hunky guy or whatever and same and then fight club soon after that. But yeah, he's so boring in Interview with a Vampire comparatively to what we know Brad Pitt can do. I thought in Interview with a Vampire, Tom Cruise is having a lot more fun as finally getting to be as gay as he allows himself to be. Absolutely. Pretty good movie.

I did enjoy that. I saw it for the second time recently, and it's very cheesy and very horny uh and uh lots of san francisco is happening in that movie well in the framing device i was like i've been to that building or i've been near that building thinking of it recently because i watched what we do in the shadows and uh the newest season and i've just reminded like antonio mandaris's character is a favorite character the or an inspiration for the uh the Guillermo character in the show. He was a big fan.

I think it was a sexual awakening for him as a youngster. Interesting. So this Madonna Erotica album, this was released in tandem with her sex book, which I believe we cover on Itchy and Scratchy the movie, that episode. The book and this come out at the same time, but the book doesn't hit the charts until the next week. But Erotica is the big album. It's a big concept album full of, like, it is her going,

she's being sexier every album. And this is when she's like, all right, time for a fully sexual album. I mean, and Pushed is like, she is selling pornography. Like, that's what erotica is. This was basically, if you're going to masturbate to the book, this can be an aid to you. Like, it will really set the mood.

Hey, and this is ushering in the era of Slick Willie, right? He's just around the corner, folks. Yeah, it's pretty fitting that Slick Willie in just five days after this will be elected president. The biggest hits from it were the title track, Erotica, and then a song called Deeper and Deeper. But neither of those, I mean, I can hear Erotica in my head if I really think about it, but I don't think of those as big Madonna songs to me.

Yeah, I was just looking at the track listing. I didn't recognize anything. And my wife and I were talking about this yesterday, and I think that if I were to me. Yeah, I was just looking at the track listing. I didn't recognize anything. And my wife and I were talking about this yesterday, and I think that if I were to see Madonna live, I would have loved to have seen her in 1990. But if I would have asked to see Madonna in 1990, they would have found a child home to put me in.

To rehabilitate me. See, but you should have just pointed to that video where she strips for that 12-year-old boy. Exactly. He wants that. I watched that video a lot as a kid. I wanted to be that boy. He was a lucky boy.

Also, I forgot about the Erotica album that our pals at Podcast the Ride love talking about. The secondary identities of famous pop stars. You're Chris Gaines. You're Mr. McFististos i forgot that madonna had one too that she debuted for the erotica album mistress dita oh she created so but she didn't uh guest star on snl as mistress dita no i think she was more in on the jokes i mean she promoted erotica on snl around this time i don't believe she became mistress dita on the show but i could be wrong i could be wrong i i was only just reminded of mistress dita the character

well i think that's who she is on the cover of the erotica album too and uh but yes and finally wario the uh the nemesis of mario his his darker half first debuted on the Game Boy this month. Hey, yes, a great character. It really was making a Mario for the 90s in that kids love this gross-out humor with rude characters. The 80s are over, folks. 90s were the decade of Wario. And he's been kind of missing for the past, I don't know, 15-ish years in terms of just making traditional platformer games with

this character i think it's because nintendo started outsourcing them the results weren't great and there was less demand for traditional wario fun which is indie developers are basically making their own wario games now like pizza tower yeah yeah i had forgotten that pizza tower game was uh it i mean uh i don't want to blame shigeru miyamoto for everything i don't like in in nintendo but i do feel like that he doesn't like other people making platformers for his characters even wario which isn't i wouldn't even call his character the guys have to make the the developers who would have made those old games instead uh they make you know wario ware or whatever they have to be pushed to make a weird thing that's not just a new platformer but then

how do you explain all of those bad yoshi games yeah i mean that's just uh they're horrible mistakes but i guess they're there's somebody who's friends with our tune i suppose uh keeps giving them jobs we've lost half the audience now yeah well uh well i was just thinking of wario as well because he was not the voice actor for the commercials in 1992. I'm fairly certain. There's no way he was. That's not him. But the regular Wario voice actor just lost his job.

Is that a fair way to put it? Well, he's very happy about it. He's an ambassador now. He transitioned to an executive role, it sounds like. Sure, sure. transition to uh an executive role it sounds like sure sure hey uh yeah but charles martinet uh voiced wario in most of his forms but not in that uh and he he is now though not the official voice of mario anymore beside that fact i did love the wario the original wario commercial he's hypnotizing you to love him and hate mario which honestly, it worked on a lot of people. Yeah.

To quote Bart, worked on me. Me too. Yeah, that was my game for this Christmas. That was the game I got for this Christmas. I really wanted, because Mario Land 1, man, we are getting deep in the weeds here with Mario, Mario stuff. But Mario Land 1, I don't care for it, folks. I'm sorry to be controversial here. Mario Land 2, loved it, played it over and over and over again. It was actually a finishable game for a 10-year-old like me.

There was something about the sound effects in the first Mario Land that just made me feel sad or anxious. There's just these annoying sounds the whole time. But yeah, the second one was cute, but cute in its own way, different from the cuteness of the main Mario games. And then, of course, Wario won in the end and took over the franchise But cute in its own way, different from the cuteness of the main Mario games. And then, of course, Wario won in the end and took over the franchise, and they became Super Mario Land 3 Wario Land.

And then they just dropped Mario's name from it entirely, and they became the Wario Land games. He was too big for Game Boy, that Mario. He refused to star in any more platformers. And then every time he's gone to console, it's not been as big a hit, but but bob has done multiple podcasts on the history of wario for retronauts oh dear lord yes look up the retronauts archives for many a wario podcast uh to learn the history and hey wario where i did a wario where podcast as well for that series so uh it's been thoroughly covered by me uh this episode though treehouse of horror 3 it is yes a classic treehouse of horror

but it is probably uh no no pun intended the most frankensteined episode that uh aljean and mike reese might have ever put together i think it is shows how uh where they were at mentally they're like we can mess around with everything in this right if we're not totally satisfied with it we can just reset things redo things all we want we don't have to uh we don't have to stick with the original jokes i'm curious in the you know if we ever get a chance to talk to bill oakley again i'm curious this was one of bill and joss's like uh first credits on the show as a story editors on but they they came in after it was written but they must have been there for production i wonder what they thought about all

the adr that gets added to this episode well you know i hope bill talks to us when he's on stage if uh you know i hope so it would be awkward if he didn't talk to us we can we can talk to him through another host yeah yeah uh i remember talking to uh yeah bill and josh are there i assume for the rewrite and everything because their next episode is marge gets a job and i think they're still freelancers so i think they're part of the rewrite process on this or the punching up process because we talked to Dan McGrath uh and he said his first day on the Simpsons was pitching for that that's good that's bad scene yeah for the clown without pity segment so I have to assume that they're they're there for the post-production process of this at least i mean this is where you uh that is very rewrite roomy

and it's aljean says on the commentary 88 line changes i think that might be a little more than there is but there there is quite a lot i'm starting to not doubt him because every time i re-watch this i noticed like oh the lip flaps are a tiny bit off they almost nailed it with this things i didn't notice before like the candy apple island exchange i was like oh that's adr too wow i i just find i find a new adr line every time i rewatch this but it feels like um we'll get to it i feel like maybe it was because it was their segment clown without pity has the most edits all the like weirdest vid in video fade ins and fade outs and in the middle of things that looked like there were full scenes that were truncated they were having too much fun with the video editing software that day you know i think too it's because the second two acts are more about big set pieces and giant things like i think it's

harder for them to change things it's more like change a line not move a character to an earlier spot or something but you know now compared to the last time we covered this i can track a lot of the changes and tell you what the original things were because thanks to the internet archive which hope it sticks around somebody uploaded a very official looking table draft it is final table draft of the episode it is dated may 1st 1992 so this was only six months from that till air date basically uh which is a real fast turnaround and uh on the commentary aljean says uh within the six weeks before this aired they were doing the most changes to it which i think that says like guys were nervous you know they're like and on top of that they're still working on the critic the whole time

and that if this is six weeks to air then critic is getting hot and heavy in production because they're you know by the end of 1992 they've hired david merkin it's starting uh or they're about to hire david merkin everyone is getting very tired uh everyone is leaving the show it's fun to listen to the commentary again because on the commentary aljean said they almost didn't do this they had to be kind of bullied into it by jay kogan and wally walodarski who were the big treehouse of horror boosters on the staff they admit that like oh we didn't do most of the work aljean and mike reese did that's why they didn't want to do it so treehouse of horror could have been a thing for just two seasons if they didn't keep going i think

like this locked it in place as yes we're gonna just keep doing this and then it's the highest rated episode every year it's an event there's like so much promotion just around this episode that it is like the biggest tradition of the show well you know we talk about running jokes on the show and that if they do it three times then it's officially a runner then this is the third episode of treehouse so it becomes officially a runner at this is the third episode of treehouse so it becomes officially a runner at that point and is fully set in though you know i could have seen a world where when david merkin comes on he if he didn't want to do treehouse they they probably wouldn't have done the next one if he didn't want to do it but i think he did definitely want to do

it he loved it thankfully he was thinking oh i can get the most violent things on tv and this will be my excuse so from that uh table redraft there's a lot of interesting things i noted i finally had answers of like well this line's weird what do they say before and it's like now there's a lot of it and there's definitely also stuff where i'm like that's a clean edit like and i wish doesn't it suck that this does not have deleted scenes on this episode i mean at least there's two episodes on it suck that this does not have deleted scenes on this episode i mean at least there's two episodes on this dvd set that have deleted scenes but what an f up that they do not have uh all the deleted scenes for this season i'd love to see just all the original content that was in the what was sent back to them from from korea basically and yeah but the video

editing software that's something too. I hope they never fix. Like, uh, there are several times this episode where I thought like they had the George Lucas instinct to special edition. This, they could change a bunch of little things with video, like just color correcting or whatever,

even, but I hope they never do. I hope it always stays. I think Matt Groening is the opposite of that and loves, he wants archives to stay pure and be the way it aired. Yeah. As we know, he's a big fan of those. Our pal Thad works on the restoration of classic Fleischer tunes and Groening attends those screenings a lot in Los Angeles.

So I think he's a big fan of accurate restoration processes. Yeah. Maintaining all the clumsy video edits that were made 30 years ago. You can like literally see the pause button on screen sometimes it feels like with these the the video tracking thing pops up it's also funny yeah the kogan walidarski i think they were the first big boosters of the halloween story at least like when we interviewed kogan about the first one he talked about how like oh yeah that they were present for matt graining walking into the room and telling them hey we should do a halloween special see ya and then

walks out and like sam simon didn't want to do it uh that they talked him into it i also was trying to see especially with these episodes i pull back out the mike reese's autobiography to see if he has any stories about this specific episode he didn't have one in this one uh but he talked about how like they he's he felt that they didn't have a good fully good episode of treehouse into until next season he says there's usually one segment that sucks but he wouldn't name which one sucked in this one or was lesser he did say they usually put it in the middle but i would say and i love the first act but i'd say that's the weakest one in the episode not King Homer yeah it's hard for me to decide but I feel like Trias of Horror 4 and 5 are so amazing and strong that I can see why 2 and 3 would seem lesser but there's still obviously very good stuff in here this does feel like the weakest one of the first three I would say I uh script wise I I would

definitely say that but also like i think they should have oh but mike reese though he hated the the raven he thought it's pretentious he hated they did that one that was i think he said his least favorite of the original run of treehouses we've all come around on that we do like it now we actually hate the bart uh interludes you know when bart has to jump in and say uh well the raven had a cow man and then it's like the kids are distracted enough for them to cut back to shakespeare or sorry not shakespeare jesus i'm thinking of zombie shakespeare edgar allen poe yes yeah it that actually that instinct is similar to this episode's instincts of like uh we need to cut back to homer saying something or whatever yeah it's but yeah no i'm really i i'm glad they decided to stick with halloween specials they kept a lot

of traditions alive in this episode in uh post production as well but uh every time there's a major or even slightly minor change from that table draft script i've made a note of it and will let folks know hooray when the big ones happen this is the value we provide exactly exactly other people they don't bother reading the old things they would just say like uh i like this when i was a kid okay cool like and hey i did love this when i was a kid i was 10 years old the world was my oyster i probably this is probably the treehouse that i could just say from memory closest to accurate like even even more than next year's which i like more than this one's three i think i

watched the most and we also we also covered dial z for zombie segment in three different live shows so that part i have very etched into my brain wow yeah boy you know you've done so many live shows i actually forgot we did that the very first clip i could play is actually the first time it diverges from the script already. The Hitchcock intro, not in that table draft script at all. But here, let's hear from Homer. Good evening. I've been asked to tell you that the following show is very scary, with stuff that might give your kids nightmares.

You see, there are some crybabies out there, religious types mostly, who might be offended. If you are one of them, I advise you to turn off your set now. Come on, I dare you. Chicken! Hey. Homer, did you just call everyone chicken no i swear on this bible that's not a bible that's a book of carpet samples oh fuzzy that's an ooh fuzzy not fuzzy i also listeners i have to

credit bob here we've got a new setup here bob synced has been playing the episode behind him on the screen the whole time you re-synced it to that clip perfect unintentional this will never happen again because right now we're like uh already in the house i thought you actually lined it up like you moved it to be at play there that's so funny but uh but yeah so the hitchcock opening well first off as a kid i thought alfred hitchcock was a guy who hosted a thing on nick at night i had no in 1992 i i got the reference because uh alfred hitchcock or hitchcock presents aired on nick at night all the time but i didn't know the full context of it uh well what about you bob i think i would respect it more now that i love murder

mysteries and crime stories but i would watch it on nick at night and i would think he was the best part and wondered where he went like where's this funny bald fat guy he's great i liked some episodes but also on nick at night they were showing you the best ones like naked we we didn't appreciate how nick at night was basically what this is now for our generation like because it was for our parents like hey you you only remember like five episodes of Alfred Hitchcock right we're gonna show those like you remember the one where the lady kills her husband with a with a leg of lamb and then serves it to the police officers well here's that episode and they point out on the commentary that the joke about this is that homer is supposed to be fatter than hitchcock his his actual shadow uh

his silhouette extends beyond the drawing of a silhouette but it doesn't really work it is funny to think like oh he's as big as hitchcock haha he's also a bald guy but they don't it like it's not it's too subtle that he's actually a little fatter than hitchcock it's also funny they've been doing this so long that they they start with marge being a reference on the stage to frank the frankenstein opening and now they're like well we've done that twice now let's let's have homer do it but he won't be the frankenstein guy he'll be alfred hitchcock doing it and we're done with these after this right yes yeah this is the last tombstone and morning year and then next year is the last framing device here well actually then they they leap they jump over because the year after that that's when march says oh this is so bad we're just going to show episodes of

wagon train oh bart takes over the screen and it's an outer limits parody okay yes yeah so but they don't do it next year though then it's just a full night gallery parody so they they they do technically there is a host of the first five treehouse of horrors who like introduce you to the show uh if you count part is the night gallery host but uh homer does do the intro in the script but he is there's no hitchcock parody stuff what is the intro just the script, but there's no Hitchcock parody stuff. What is the intro? Just the typical religious types mostly?

That whole dialogue is there? So Homer comes out. He is the host of it. He does say the entire religious types mostly. You might be offended. But then what happens is a zombie from Act 3 comes out and says, Is it my time yet? And Homer's like, No, no no you're at the end of the show and then the zombie grumbles and walks away and then instead of the carpet samples thing it's

homer talking with the zombie off screen about the later in the episode which which is clever but i i like the the alfred hitchcock thing better yeah i like complaining about religious types yes also that yeah that he's worried that people are offended or like oh if you're not worried if they're offended just telling you like well if you're offended turn this off now i think of this more in the murkin years but this also is showing you where the gutsiness or the fu spirit of the simpsons that they're starting the episode saying like turn it off come on turn it off and they even give you like almost a black screen for 17 seconds yeah that's very murkiny i forgot how long it just stays on the black screen with the uh now lost the time crt dot yeah yeah that's that slowly fades out i mean uh we don't need to explain this

to people but go back to the way we was uh you're staring at a dot right and that's just because like your tv is powering off and slowly the dots going to go away. But that's, yeah, it's, I also think it's just them filling time with debt, with talking over dead air,

but, uh, but it works great as a moment. And that's, uh, I mean, a book of carpet samples, that's also just a great,

great specific. Every time I see a book of carpet samples, I think of, uh, I think of swearing on it. I also think of, uh, getting that as your gift in prison. That's right. I think there were three book of carpet samples jokes in The Simpsons.

It was a fun just random item that you don't think about very often. And so then after they fill time with that, then it's time for the tombstones that have not been killed yet. They'll be killed next year. You could tell they're on their way out Time for the tombstones that have not been killed yet. They'll be killed next year. Hilarious. You could tell they're going their way out because they have nothing to add to, you know, what they've done so far. So because we're just crapping on Drexel's class, which was another show. This is the most it's remembered.

It's memorialized in this episode, seen a billion times more than Drexel's class. It was the Simpsons time slot partner before martin and they were very mad at fox over using bart simpson footage to advertise drexel's class and also other fox things because the simpsons was the fox show so they would integrate simpsons footage into promos for other shows yes uh i have a quick 10 second clip here Bob pointed me to. I had forgotten these ads of Drexel meeting Bart Simpson. He may be the only teacher tough enough to handle Bart Simpson. Yo, Drexel, eat my shorts. Excuse me.

Drexel's class starts September 19th. And there's also one really crazy ad I shared with you for some sitcom. It went on for two seasons called True colors i believe it was and essentially the ad is like what if bart simpson was black the the answer is bart would love him and he's going to say so in this commercial for true colors this just in fox has uncovered a shocking revelation recent evidence suggests that lester freeman Bart Simpson may be long-lost brothers. Shut up! Note their similar athletic ability and their distinctive style with the opposite sex.

Are Lester and Bart related? He's sort of a hero of yours, isn't he? Are you kidding? He's my idol. See for yourself when True Col moves to thursday next week they've reused clips from like especially from crusty gets busted where it's bart saying like he's basically my idol man they have bart say that about the lead true colors like it was funny to watch those back to back because that drexel's one that is somebody cornered nancy cartwright or got just said to nancy like hey could you just say

this real quick and then we'll put it in an ad clearly between those two the the gracie film side was like hey you're not we're not recording new things for bart to say to promote your crap like and they and they rightly saw drexel's class as bad and not and and beneath them to promote hey you know daphabney Coleman is great. I remember watching this show because it was just on after The Simpsons and it just drew me in. And I was looking at some episodes on YouTube and actually it's an early role for Brittany Murphy.

She's one of the recurring kids in Drexel's class. She's a Drexel student. I forget that she was a child actor that early. I mean, that's probably, you know, what didn't help her this is just two years before clueless oh man feels longer since i was uh 10 and then 4 12 by the time clueless came out those two years seem very long and then i i don't know what they're trying to say here because there's an i'm with stupid grave and it's pointing to an r buckminster fuller grave looking him up

he did not invent but he did popularize the geodesic dome that Apu drops in Who Needs the Quickie Mart. That's all I can tell you folks about this guy. Which, if you look closely on top of that tombstone, is a geodesic dome. Oh, really? It's supposed to look like it. I'm not saying they drew it very well,

but definitely that's when I noticed, like, oh, yeah, they put a dome on top of there but no i don't fully get it either and it's not in the script uh so they also seem ashamed of the slapstick tombstone because you see it for just a few frames before you see the american workmanship tombstone which crumbles in the rain my guess is that they cut a joke of like a clown falls into the open grave or something as a way of like oh oh it's slapstick but i saw another uh when i was trying to look up the meaning of it from somebody else or guesses at it somebody online said oh slapstick is an open grave meaning slapstick isn't dead that's what they're saying okay uh but neither of those are in the script

but in the script is drexel's class which shows you they really did hate it that much they uh and i think uh you you heard grading in the commentary say like we stopped doing these because friends would work on these shows and they got mad but especially i just have to assume it was one of the animated shows maybe i mean brad bird really had nothing to do with the family dog cartoon but i'm sure he didn't like seeing one of the best things he ever did represented as like a tombstone on the simpsons i don't think he probably didn't like that yeah i oh but uh so in the script though at those tombstones i always think of those tombstones as in here but they're in act three but the the only other ones in the og script that were in this earnest burns in hell

and retired and loving it so they really were not into earnest in at this time they were pretty sick of that guy i'm really glad they cut the earnest tombstone because uh just uh seven years later not as funny no also making fun of earnest just feels like very like all right we get it you don't like it i mean i don't see uh earnest is that bad of a thing i yeah i think uh children's entertainers have only got more irritating where earnest now seems just like a classy jack benny figure or something now i think they underestimated barney's acting ability that he actually is like a good actor that they just think he's like oh this is some stupid clown cashing in on garbage right it's like no it's actually he's a really good actor and got typecast in a role that and then if he didn't smoke and drink so much we might have

gotten to enjoy him uh into our later years we would see him in a coen brothers movie at this point he'd i bet he'd have been in like a Coen Brothers movie even. Great design on the skeleton family too. I really love that. Yeah, I also like Matt Merchandising Graining. That's a good, good name. I wonder if he suggested that one or somebody else did. So then it's a Halloween party at the Simpsons place. That's the framing device for this year's episode.

You spot many costumes including millhouse's radiation man i mean radioactive man uh but i have several toys of him as radioactive man or i have i have one burger king kids club toy i'm holding up here which was from the 2002 set and then this uh really nice painting of him on a little square thing of him as radioactive boy is the name of the painting from 2020 i think that might be uh from the big kids meal era of burger king oh you're right yes not the kids club is over it's the big kids yes yeah they they marketed those a lot uh but it i didn't buy him because it was just at the time where i was like i'm too old i'm 20 now i'm too old to buy the the happy meal toys i think the

last time i got a happy style meal was uh i maybe 2003 2002 wendy's had mario kart toys and i really wanted them this is when it was hard to buy mario toys believe it or not folks and i had a car and i presumably could have had a kid so i had a cover you know to go through the drive-thru they they around the same time and i've put them in ad i've put the ads in uh the 2002 episodes we've been doing of simpsons but did you get any of the talking watches from burger king that were uh the adult toys they were given out actually i have two of them on my bookshelf behind me because friend of the show gary butterfield and a past guest gave me two of them at a portland retro gaming expo once so they're still in the original packaging maybe uh

for a live show i will pry the backs off and see if the battery has not destroyed the insides and add a new one i didn't have one a friend did and they loved how homer constantly his thing is to say burgers but equipment isn't perfect and it sounds more like we would always just say to each other all the time that's that's one of those fun in jokes the simpsons will be right back. Thursday, it's Halloween at The Simpsons. Behold, mighty Caesar, in all his glory.

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Then Homer exposes himself to children. Of course, he'd be arrested now for this. And also in 92, I thought it was pretty risque for Bart to be dressed as Alex from Clockwork Orange. Yeah, yeah. I'm wondering also if Homer reuses this costume for Homer Cleese in Selma, The Fish Called Selma. No, no, no. Sorry.

God damn it. Selma's Choice. There you go. Thank you. That's right. Yeah. Tip of my tongue. Thank you.

You're right. Yeah. This further sexualizes Homer in this costume then. you go thank you that's right yeah tip of my tongue thank you you're right yeah he this is uh this further sexualizes homer in this costume then but i mean i as a kid i occasionally liked wearing actually i think i stole this idea for later in school like two or three years later when we did we were reading julie caesar in class and the teacher was like hey we'll have a fun toga party in class just bring bed sheets and put them on over your clothes and to celebrate caesar and i uh other people had you know regular

bed sheets but i brought i wore my simpsons bed sheets because i thought it'd be funnier that way the uh records from that era were spotty at best no they everybody wore togas all the time that's what caesar wore but not simpsons togas no but yeah at the time clockwork orange you know i didn't get this reference uh was it still banned in the uk at this point i think so i think it was like that uh kubrick wanted it banned too or he didn't want it out either it wasn't like it was done against his will or whatever i the most i know about that is from our pals on blank check like they talked about that and how it and evil dead 2 became like you know very famous to the big nerds in the movie nerds in in england uh they were video nasties that's the name of it yes yeah

but yeah here we could watch it i i mean i watched i forget what eventually made me well i'm sure there was a reference on something that made me want to watch uh claw maybe it was talk soup did an extended clockwork orange parody i think that's the what finally made me do it it's one of those ones that i have to see that there just been so many parodies i thought i'll get around to it which is what i did with king kong for this episode spoilers for things to come i finally watched king kong and well eventually eventually uh clockwork orange will come your way then for podcast purposes or well now you live uh you you have access to a really good uh movie theater nearby that i i bet eventually we'll play clockwork orange at some point yes the rio in vancouver great theater but yeah they so in

the script here's another one bart actually his reaction to homer in that outfit he says real horror show like how alex and clockwork orange talks instead of wish we were trick-or-treating though martin being punched for his gay outfit is is in the script that that just happens and i like it for its brutalness. I like that he just is like, hey, I'm dressed as a girl. And in a very gay thing, he's like, no kidding. Wham. He's beaten for expressing himself. Yes, yeah.

There's no extra even wordplay to it. He just gets punched. And Bob, did a parent or teacher put you through this game? Yeah, yeah. It happened at a game yeah yeah it happened at a party and it happened at like like a gym class on halloween it was very weird but obviously being the too smart kid who didn't want to have any fun i thought well this is just spaghetti it tricked me at first but the thing uh so we i remember doing it once and it's a trick that only works once on you because the first time i did it and the only time I remember it was at somebody's Halloween party.

But it wasn't turn off the lights and we hand it to you. It's here's a hole in a box. Put your hand through it. Oh, what do you feel? You like? I think we might have been blindfolded. I you know, i like the box the box uh thing i think is even better because you can look around and see your surroundings instead of like oh i have a blindfold on then they're definitely

tricking me and that later showed up in the movie dune you're right was is that what inspired the the writer of dune to come up with that idea that he got pranked by this similar thing the thing that was in the pain box in dune was just wet spaghetti but it feels so crazy when you touch it and also though homer is such a food monster at this point that he's eating cold spaghetti and uncooked meat yes i i really like bart uh just not really being into the game just the mechanics like hey well yo what's what's the hold up with the eyeballs and uh and also like homers it was an evil game like good cover but there's also where they cut a line that like it's clear that lisa is dressed as the statue of liberty but they have a line

where lisa's holding up her torch and then bart is doing like you i i'm yearning to breathe free you're you've got bo because her you know arm is up and uh smelling her armpit it a good little brother joke but not like not their smartest yeah uh lisa goes from being dressed as you know uh basically a totem pole uh from indigenous people to the statue of liberty big step down for lisa and her beliefs that's true she's sold out to the american bullshit now you're right ah and now i'm sad at this outfit uh but homer is terrified as we enter into the first true story yo mom, Mom, we haven't got the eyeballs yet. Homer, you're ruining it.

Yeah, well, it was an evil game. Well, now we need another Halloween activity. Does anyone know a ghost story? I do. It's the story of a boy and his doll. That's not so scary. A doll from hell. I'm gonna go to the store.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Happy birthday, Bart. Thanks, Grandpa. Where'd you get all the money? The government. I didn't earn it. I don't need it. But if they miss one payment,

I'll raise hell. Which, as you said bob uh clown without pity written by gene and reese and i think you're right because they wrote it uh i'm assuming that that's why it has the most changed lines that they didn't like it as much and a ton of references let's get started folks uh sit back and relax as i explain references to you so clown without pity i knew about the song because my grandma listened to oldie stations all the time but yeah the 1961 a song town without pity uh written for the film of the same name it was uh sung by gene pitney and it was written by uh dimitri tionkin with lyrics by dead washington so tionkin is a name I recognize,

and it makes sense because he was a film composer. He wrote the scores for It's a Wonderful Life, Strangers on a Train, Dial M for Murder, Shadow of a Doubt, and High Noon, and a ton of other things. And of course, he wrote The Ballad of High Noon, which also won an Oscar. Yes, yeah.

He worked with lyricist Ned Washington, who wrote the lyrics for the High Noon song. Ned Washington also wrote When You Wish Uponhington who wrote the lyrics for the high noon song ned washington also wrote when you wish upon a star the lyrics for that as well holy cow wow man so i like this song town without pity just fine but now i i want to listen to it again knowing this info about uh well i mean also i'm a new convert to high noon not unlike uh bob with clockwork orange or king kong like i i hadn't seen high noon for the longest time i'd seen all these and then i watched it for you know they this secure private security episode a few months back and that is like the best movie and that opening

song i've listened to it a million times now it's great sung by uh tex ritter john ritter's dad r.i.p to both of them actually and bob actually uh you actually, you saw the movie Asteroid City and came away from it a little cold. How did you feel about that? They had a cover of that, not the original version, but they play the high noon song in Asteroid City. Oh, I love all the music in the movie. Don't get me wrong. I think the trailer is the best version of that movie. Every time I see the trailer again, tricks me into thinking well that looks great

if you see the like three minute version of it time without pity though I recommend give it a listen it is a hilariously mopey song I think it's like basically two older men making fun of teenagers like all they do is just fucking mope around they're so annoying

and I feel like Ned Washington is having a little fun with his When You Wish Upon a Star fame because there's a lyric in Time Without Pity that goes, if we stop to gaze upon a star, people talk about how bad we are. Dang, wow, man.

Well, you know what? If they are teenagers in the 50s, then they grew up watching Pinocchio, so maybe he's reflecting on, ah, these kids, they suck now. I gave him the wrong idea with when you wish upon a star and the teenagers were that was a fairly new concept at this point in time so uh yeah I have not seen the movie uh but I've heard the song a bunch and uh Al Jean was wondering if anyone knew 20 years ago what the song town without pity was and this uh and I mean, the plot of this one,

it's just a mashup of like five other things. Yeah, I think when I was a kid, I thought, oh, obviously it's Child's Play, but these boomers didn't care about Child's Play. Obviously, and I had to be reminded of this because Child's Play overwrote this in the cultural memory, but the Living Doll episode of The Twilight Zone, that's like 30 of it

and another big chunk of this is based on the 1975 tv movie trilogy of terror which is a horror anthology with three segments the third segment named amelia is the one with the doll basically chasing a woman around her apartment with a knife and it freaked the hell out of boomers who saw this in their uh developing years it's uh you know i've never bothered to watch it because every time i think about watching it i then think to myself like well wait a minute this is like this was a tv movie then it can't be scary i i i would bet it actually is scary but also as bart says movies aren't scary from back then as opposed to now it's actually kind of hard to watch because it's not a theatrical movie that is as available and i was reading more about it i still haven't

seen it but all three segments are based on richard matheson stories and he actually adapted the amelia story for television the one that's the most famous out of all of these karen black stars in every segment in one segment she plays two characters. So it's really a Karen Black vehicle. That Living Doll episode, I had reacquainted myself with it before we did this, you know, when we did Toy Story 4, because that, you know, the talky Tina is, it's specifically the creepy doll that introduces itself. That also, I mean, it was based on Chatty Cathy, which also influenced the evil doll who gets away with her crimes in Toy Story 4 that Christina Hendricks plays.

She's the greatest villain of the series. And yes, for the record, the Child's Play guy was inspired by Trilogy of Terror and like eight other things. This idea of a doll coming to life and killing you and terrorizing you is like just a recurring idea throughout history. No one really owns it i i mean the one that is directly quoted though you could think it means child's play it's the the living doll episode oh especially with when crusty starts saying mean things to homer that's definitely from living doll and on the commentary mac raining was saying at the time a toy company was going to make the evil crusty doll but they chickened out and I wonder if that had ever been made

in the 20 years since the commentary was recorded. There had to be some Comic-Con exclusive, right, Henry? Actually, I'm here to correct how Matt Groening remembers this. Ah, okay. Because, and look, it's hard to keep track of every way Simpsons got merchandised. It then actually did happen happen and he forgot it in 2001 Playmates did make and sell an evil talking talking Krusty doll with the pointed teeth and everything oh 2001 okay you know I have vague vague memories of seeing it because I worked in a

game store and we were selling all the Simpsons stuff then so uh yeah i didn't know i this time it made me go look it up and see if on ebay uh and because i i sometimes look for simpsons merch for from the episode to see how they merchandised it but so yes it's a hundred bucks on ebay right now if you wanted to get one mint in box i i didn't but but it is pretty cool but one of the reasons i didn't get it though is that it is mostly show accurate it has the reasons i didn't get it though is that it is mostly show accurate it has the pull string the teeth are correct he says lines from this episode there's even a good and evil switch on the back that make him say different words uh if you switch him from it and it's and it's right where it should be but the good is not on top it's evil on top good on

the butt like or it's reversed on top, good on the bottom. Or it's reversed from the episode. It's the opposite of how it is in the episode. And I was like, boo, it has to be 100% accurate. Yes. Who was asleep at the switch there? I mean, I know what goes into making a plush stuffed animal or like dolls or figures because Nina, former guest of the show, future guest of the show, she does design those for Fangamer. And I've seen the process and see how everything goes wrong.

And when we're in stores, she will pick up the dolls and look at them to see, like, oh, how did they do this? Or, like, oh, look, this could be better. Like, things like that. So I know for a fact that's something that she would not get wrong. Yeah, I mean, it's the difference between, like, once you mass-produce something, like, there's really only so much you can do. And the fact that anything gets mass- with any level of accuracy like those Super 7 Simpsons toys, I'm impressed.

And for 2001, it was crazily good accuracy. I can't compare it to what now accuracy is. Well, I don't want to go into the entire toy production thing, but things go through various stages. At some point, someone should have caught, like, oh, we should make the good and evil things, transpose them because it's not accurate. So at some point, I don't think that was a production manufacturing error. I think that was a design error. But Nina will step in and let us know.

This is a command to my wife who's listening right now. So they've at least merchandised evil crusty a couple times now but notice that as conan o'brien has officially joined the staff crazy old coot jokes are at a market increase at this point yes and uh you know john swartzwald are still on the staff so jokes about the government giving everyone free money uh are still prevalent i know it's like i don't need it i didn't earn it like wait wait as if they're saying this is what social security is as you've said before bob i always think of this because uh you the way you put it it is your money you pay into social security you're not taking free money from

the government it's you paid it yes i mean we know from being self-employed and uh you know running a business that actually that it's a lot of money you have to pay quarterly to pay for social security and i don't know if we're going to get it back no i they keep threatening to do it but that's also why in this joke which seems to be mad at old people for doing this but the reason they get to keep their social security because if they miss one payment i'll raise hell they actually are scared of pissing off old people like that's the uh biden can take uh is one of his better swings at republicans was saying like no they do want to take away social security they say it over and over again and then republicans go technically we didn't say that and

then it's like uh no you did you you do want to take it away well wait until we're the old people i want to see what their stance is then though will you be able to get that social security in canada yes 30 years hey uh when i'm here in canada i still pay american taxes and that means i'm still entitled to all the benefits even if i renounce my citizenship which i'm thinking about which because uh life is very complicated right now i get all that money it's not entirely politically motivated why you would renounce your citizenship partially but it's mostly for tax reasons because Jesus Christ it's complicated here I'm not complaining but America does not want you to live anywhere else they make it as hard as possible though also Schwarzwalder it does feel very Schwarzwaldery and that they treat social

security is just like a money bonanza not that like there's lots of homeless or there's lots of older people who get social security and they cannot live off of it like you can't live like you you need a savings to depend on as well or you got to get over like 20 hours a week in walmart yeah you got to be a greeter i mean we'll get to it in season five but grandpa getting a job at crusty burger was part of a new advertising campaign i believe by mcdonald's saying seniors come back to work it's fun and enriching but really the intent was uh you need this i want to do podcasts when i'm 60 but i don't want to work a cash register yeah that's that's not in my plan too many buttons homer uh realizes he forgot the gift and just admits to it like and just like don't worry son and he going to get the toy he really wants.

And then on top of all those other things we listed that were references in this episode, then it becomes a Gremlins parody for about a bit. Yes, yes. I always forget the Gremlins thing. And again, this is one of the scenes built almost entirely out of ADR. Mostly the end. In that instance, it works. I think it's like one of my

favorite jokes in the whole episode but yeah I uh you know in in Gremlins Gremlins entirely is is Joe Dante making a tribute to the genre films of his youth which included going to a place that sells mysteries of the orient from these mysterious Chinese people and that's why it's great in i love in the first gremlins that there's you know the the respectful chinese man the who's saying like you americans you can't take this stuff and then his young kid is like i gotta sell this shit like we need money like we live in america like he's been fully taken into being american which i like and yeah this is the vice they used last year too with uh the monkey spa segment because a similarly shriveled shopkeeper selling cursed objects voiced by hank azaria really gets the story moving except that man's moroccan yeah all right i think the

accent is the same pretty yes yeah yeah actually yes uh let's hear from the froggert inventor himself do you sell toys we sell forbidden objects from places men fear to tread. We also sell frozen yogurt, which I call Froggert. Well, I need something for my son's birthday. Perhaps this will please the gentleman. Take this object, but beware, it carries a terrible curse. Ooh, that's bad. But it comes with a free Froggat.

That's good. The Froggat is also cursed. That's bad. But you get your choice of topping. That's good. The toppings contain potassium benzoate. That's bad. Can I go now?

Can I go now? Can I go now? Like, that feels like a Conan-style joke. Like, can I go now? Like, I'm tired of this. Clearly doing a bit and Homer can't keep up. That's so great. That's good.

That's bad. So, yes, Bob, we knew all this time that was all ADR and Frankenstein together of replaying the same six seconds like four times in a row and I have to say that I've only heard it called Froggert in within the context of this episode no one in my universe has ever called frozen yogurt Froggert but I have to say that we are in a real Froggert drought recently it is no longer the treat of choice when I first moved to California in the very early 2010s 2010 to be exact it was a froggert bonanza it was a froggert renaissance there were you know dispense your own froggert things on every corner and they're all gone now i don't know what happened to it i live in a real gelato town though and i love gelato so you know i'm very pro gelato yeah i yeah we went to one of those on one

of our los angeles trips uh one of those like it's it's really just about topping dispersal, though, isn't it? Like a topping seem like they were the main event, not the Froger. For me, I love a good, strong Froger taste, though. Yeah, I've never heard it. If I were a kid then and we were going to go to TCBY, for instance, I would have said let's get frozen yogurt. I would just say frozen yogurt. Even hearing the Simpsons use the term fro-gurt, it did not enter my lexicon.

Though also, I would just ask to go for ice cream, not frozen yogurt anyway. But that's because we, closer to us, I think was a basket of Robins more than a TCBY or similar place. What was the original joke here? Well, it was, you know, that heart that they pass by that's beating?

Homer asks if he can buy that one and then he's told that like oh that that beating heart it's cursed and will give you eternal life but uh you'll you'll curse it and and then homer's like oh does it cost something and he's like yeah but the doll's free and then homer's like haha i got the doll for free and then leaves yeah i was wondering because they scan over all of those objects and they're not really that funny. And it seems like maybe there was a call back to one of them. So there I guess there was, I guess, on the shrunken head, 20 percent rayon, 80 percent shrunken head. Like that's technically. Yeah, I mean, not that memorable.

And, yeah, potassium benzoate. We were warned about it. But when I tried to look up where it is, I just got sad eventually because I was like, oh, it's in everything. And yes, it is. Here's here's what healthline says while this compound is approved for use in many countries it has come under scrutiny for its possible side effects these range from severe allergic reactions to hyperactivity to an increased risk of cancer oh wow you know so i live in canada now and i'm still getting used to everything and i'll see food items i recognize from america but i'll bring them home and they'll taste way different and I think it's because whatever

a horrible destructive chemical that makes them taste a certain way in America they can't sell them that way in Canada so it's like I used to really like this cherry seltzer because it tasted like candy but now it doesn't and I think that's really what it is it's like well the chemical that makes it taste like candy was giving you pancreatic cancer. And Canada said no to that. I mean, it actually might be potassium benzoate because one of the top things it said it was in was soda. Oh, okay. It's in soda, many snacks, lots of things made out of milk like cheese and stuff, wine, canned and bottled lemonades and teas. It's in a lot of things which is the joke here like if you're a health nut or not a health nut but just pay attention to some things you're like boy potassium

benzoate probably shouldn't be in as many things but apparently it still is well because we've come around to knowing that msg is good and it should be in everything it's great yeah which is good they've uh you know lisa will still have a line in three years after this saying like oh no it's bad actually you know four years after this in the season eight one homer gets it brings it to bart's party i love the cartooniness of how millhouse is smashed like it is a real like uh streak across the screen of homer's entrance and i am old enough to have played pin the tail on donkey but i said this in the roger rabbit episode i played it at one party and yes the party was in 1988 and yes the version of the game was pin the tail on roger rabbit where the parents just bought a roger rabbit poster and you the version of the game was pin the tail on roger rabbit where the parents

just bought a roger rabbit poster and you you would pin the cotton tail onto his butt basically that's great i mean you don't need the you can just uh reuse the cotton tail all the time you don't need even the fake tails to take advantage of i feel like i played it once or twice at a school a function but i was not much of a pin the tail on the donkey type kid i think i hit more pinatas than i pin tails on donkeys uh but also because you know if you pin the tail on donkey correctly you're there's not the promise of candy you know but it's the pride of successful pinning and this is when bart exclaims great caesar's ghost which is famous as the thing perry white would say the superman's boss the editor-in-chief of the Daily Planet,

in many Superman TV and movies. I believe it started with The Adventures of Superman, George Reeves, I think is when it began. Some play on Great Caesar's Ghost. It's a Perry White thing. In all of these other references, Bart then is like, hey, here's a line from Superman, the 50 Superman show. Abe pointing it and saying it's evil.

That's one of my favorite. He is gargantuan like his shape is wrong technically but i love his scale in that shot the way he's like evil it's a great contrast to the later shot where he is just alone in a chair like next to a doorway and he kind of turns away as everyone is staring at him i think spongebob ripped off this evil for uh for mermaid man i think they they took some inspiration from that this is also like is this uh carrie-esque a family member this this uh you know figure saying i haven't considered that but you're right it's like her mom saying like uh they're all gonna laugh at you they're all gonna like just warning that something's evil yeah yeah i think you're right but yeah so he gets the gift also this is very similar to the and that's because it's a huge ripoff of a million stories

too but in the merlin shop uh mst3k when the kid gets the the monkey gift too yes it's it's actually very similar okay so wait is the monkey in that uh in that episode or movie is that the one with the with the with the critic yes yeah where ernest borg 9 like it actually has a treehouse of horror style framing device that ernest borg 9 wrote these as stories and he's telling him to a little boy right but it's about like a really mean critic who reviews local magic stores and in the end he turns back into a baby for his wife to raise yeah that's part one and then part two is the the monkey with the symbols yes yeah the uh that's another of my all-time favorite lines in

any mystery science theater where the the evil the horrible man is turned into a baby for his wife to raise and then they say like script written by by sigmund fre. This is when Krusty pretty much just quotes the talky Tina line from Living Doll. I'm Krusty the Clown and I don't like you. I'm Krusty the Clown and I'm going to kill you. Didn't even pull the string that time. I said I'm going to kill you. You, Homer Simpson. Oh yeah?

With what? Homer, what's wrong? That doll tried to kill me. I'd say that the pressure's finally gotten to Dad, but what pressure? Don't leave me alone with him you know as a kid i did not watch the child's play movies because the idea of them freaked me out that's how effective it was i think i would just get kind of creeped out if i left a room and like a doll was sitting there and i would just kind of peek my head back in to make sure it didn't move so uh seeing this played in a humorous context was a very therapeutic but it also did creep me out a

little bit yeah no they uh i never watched the child's play movies until i was an adult and then didn't like them though now i know that there's a lot of lg of LGBTQ people are trying to reclaim it or have reclaimed it as a queer series. And of course, the guy who's overseen most of the modern, the last 20 years of the franchise is a gay guy who puts a gay director who puts a lot of intentional queer context into it, which is cool and all. But yeah, the originals, I didn't much care for. They scared me. And then I thought they were stupid when they didn't scare me anymore. But I mean, it was one of those like like this is a thing kids will never feel today but like the vhs boxes like would terrify me in this horror section are kids afraid by just browsing netflix now

because i remember walking by the horror section and i couldn't look away from all of the the disgusting nightmarish covers that the movies in the boxes behind them were much tamer they just got like just the most exploitative art on the fronts of the boxes the the art of the vhs box was amazing back then i mean you could have a dog shit movie as seen on red letter media's best of the worst is almost entirely about that like hey look at this cover nothing from this is gonna be in this awful movie i i actually i never saw uh ghoulies either, but just seeing the box for Ghoulies, I thought, well, now I have this to worry about. Thanks a lot. And I think someone's butt is only bitten from underneath in one of those movies once. I think it's just like one gag they do, but they realize just how much that very idea could burrow into the brains of young people.

And it really worked. Same with like Monkey Shines. That's another one that always terrified me just for the box cover yeah i wonder if netflix tiles of movies or like even the horror section on freebie does that if a kid scans through that like an eight-year-old now does that give them nightmares too i think we're being naive because i'm pretty sure kids can just look up beheadings actual beheadings on their phone yeah that's like you boomers were afraid of a painting of a doll that's true they can watch every scary horrible thing ever but yeah so the so there's several big changes in here and this one finally answered the question

i always wondered like what was homer actually saying woohoo to so what it was in that table in the may table draft it is homer sees a horrible car crash watching the daytona 500 and it's like woohoo like he he wants to see a crazy it's one of those jokes this thing about springfield's error only being dangerous to children and the elderly is something i think about a lot as uh you know large sections of america just start burning for no reason well Well, the reason is climate change, but it's something that no one can fix at this point. So I always think of, oh, when the air is slightly more breathable, it means I can go outside. Or we just laugh at like things getting underwater in coastal places.

Like, well, it's not underwater for us yet. Ha ha. It's pretty. Woo hoo. Yeah. Also, I think the animators do a great job with killer crusty doll animation is some of the best in the episode yeah i will say so we're recording this after we recorded itching scratchy the movie which comes next and i really wish rough draft korea got to do this one

i mean this one looks really good but god damn i feel like they should have been given all the halloween episodes could you imagine what they would have done with homer uh king homer oh boy man but but yeah so homer freaking out and nobody believing him that also this also feels like a gene and reese thing where they're like yeah the plot is at first nobody believes homer and then immediately almost instantly they go like ah forget it homer march just sees it happen they don't care about the nobody believes homer after more than a minute. And also, here's another one. I'm sure, Bob, you figured, as I always did, that the Homer was not originally singing the Oscar Mayer Wiener song. No. And in fact, I was wondering, when is Bart going to come in and hit him with a chair?

That's a different episode. Yeah. Lots of ADR. Is he singing a different song? He's singing a different song in the script. And this might have been a change for copyright reasons but it's a parody of flipper he's saying homer homer king of the sea no like that's what he's singing and this this patty line is also mega adr correct do you have the original one for that i do i do yeah uh so originally her line is we won't be staying for dinner which that makes sense with the food that's in front of

her and it it makes her but i do think it's funnier that she's like i'm officially gay now if i ever wasn't gay i'm gay now i mean halloween episodes aren't canon but i think this does seal the deal for for patty having to see a wet naked homer running by her like i mean the background the wild background of homer running through that's another great moment i love the headshot but yeah it's uh and you know homer's singing a song about being a dolphin it makes more sense that crusty pops out with a with a harpoon oh yeah it's related because it just see i mean the gag is just that you know crusty's gonna harpoon him in a bathtub but if homer is singing about how he's a you know a sea mammal it makes

there's more of a connection there it just it did seem kind of random i guess but with the rewrite yeah if i ever thought about it before i was just thinking well homer's like a fat whale and he's harpooning him like a whale because homer's fat i i just but now i think it's definitely a reference to the flipper song that's not there they would call back to that one over and over again when they'd be like coy on the old commentaries of like is patty gay well we did ever say this line but it's uh what a couple just two years after this dvd was released they do the official patty is gay episode which uh not looking forward to covering that one well of course they're in this episode they're following the science in that everyone begins straight and eventually things undo that and you become gay of course it's it's some level it's uh it's a response to trauma and in patty's case it's seeing homer's

nude body also cut just fully is a basically a five to ten second scene of crusty attacking homer at work like homer is sitting in his chair at the plant and Krusty smacking his head into the console. And Homer's like, Homer just says, Hey, what'd you do with my lunch? I wonder if that got animated and cut or,

or it was cut from, I I'm thinking it probably went to at least animatic. I would bet. And then it gets to the dirty socks moment, which I hope in the next Barbie film, Krusty is in there trying to date barbie but doesn't this feel like a very boy's joke that like when you're a boy and you get access to a barbie you're like oh now barbie's kissing this toy and now oh he's gonna take her sweater

off well you immediately take off the clothes if you're a boy you're like okay time to answer some questions that will only lead to further questions the the two genders are undressing barbie or dressing up barbie which which do you do that's your that defines your gender no uh but homer's dirty socks are more powerful than whatever curse is on this crazy crusty doll as well it actually does overpower him and knock him out here comes another change joke too thank you so uh it's it's so funny when we covered bart the murderer that we just remembered that oh fat tony does not come back until season six he comes back with homie the clown which is a huge gap in time from when he's introduced so it's so weird to see a gangster joke or a mobster joke and it's

not fat tony it's just some guy they invented especially when al gene i think is fat tony's number one fan he makes sure there's at least one fat tony episode per season and in this case this in 34 gene wrote the episode he is the writer of that episode this guy with the box of uh nude photos of whoopi goldberg he seems designed to be uh replaced with adr because his mouth is covered up the entire time with the boxes it's it's a really mean and stupid joke it's very cruel and so's so mean to whoopie goldberg who's not unattractive and the way the basically the film reverses and the box comes back into his hand it looks i mean i think they realize like this looks so cheap it's funny so we'll just

leave it in because this is our our gag we're inventing with video effects but uh boy uh not a fan of this it doesn't look like a box of pictures because it was clearly not that sorry you know i know you have the original line there henry yeah yeah i mean but but to just uh deconstruct it like yeah i think it's it's so mean that it's like not only is whoopi goldberg to no one wants naked pictures of her that even the bottomless pit spits it out like that that is a very gene Gene and Reese style joke too. Like you can almost see them writing Johnny Carson saying the line, uh, you know, the bottomless pit even spit it out kind of, of a delivery. And then he did a golf swing. So the original joke was an intentionally boring joke. And I kind of wish they'd, they, they kept it. So it all happens in sequence.

But what the guy says is quote these old newspapers and kin cans won't be bothering me anymore and then he just throws them in the hole i yeah i like how it's a boring it goes from a cursed clown to a dead body to uh just garbage yeah it's a guy throwing out garbage and it does not spit it back out it's just he goes i'm done with it like it it almost feels intentionally like a reverse of what the joke should be they've instead decided that let's have a mean joke about whoopi goldberg instead uh and according to the very reliable source of mr skin whoopi goldberg has yet to do a nude scene in her career so there's still time though you know on the mr skin page they're much nicer than this joke they say

like well she hasn't done it yet but we if she does we're gonna have our eyes peeled and we'll congratulate her will gynon bear it all in the script this isn't a change but we knew it anyway just from watching it but in the script they say just like in cape fear crusty's under the car this early they're recognizing how amazing that movie is they're a year out from the release of it but that was just enough time to remember it and reference it i saw john vd he said this about the cape fear with an e episode of simpsons vd says it was a big sam simon thing like he was obsessed with that movie it was a real drive from him almost i feel like they're making fun of it. Like they thought it wasn't good.

I think they just thought it was a giant hilarious cartoon. And I watched it again for the first time in a very long time in a theater. It's amazing. I got to watch it again before we do Cape Fear many, many moons from now. Yeah, I haven't seen it in 20 years, I think. It's been a good while i mean this is i mean there's all kinds of cartoonish violence and he's and he's hilarious but the highlight of the movie is a very long uncomfortable scene with him and juliet lewis and she is just 18 years old

and just like on the same level with denier we'll talk all about it but man what a great movie oh man when he takes her retainer out and starts touching her teeth like so it's so good and creepy but i think at the time people were looking down out of like scorsese's doing a remake he this is beneath him like he he should be doing better it's basically him doing schlock which is better than almost any other movie out that year yes yeah yeah casino's not right after that i think kundun is no kundun's after casino but definitely after he goodfellas gets to be such a big hit that's when people tell mike well just make goodfellas too and call it casino goodfellas to the casino years i think this is really good animation but

now you're just making me think boy uh rough draft would have made this even better the way homer tumbles through the hallway with with crusty on his back like is so good though also the uh the toaster's been laughing at me that's not in the script it's just homer screaming that that was a late addition to though i do love you dog water that's a great line as he's being drowned he's objecting to that that element marge gives a call and gets some uh their their favorite running gag at the time of ironic hold music and uh it's the song everybody loves a clown by gary lewis and the playboys i think out of all of the hold music jokes this is the one song that seems just like way too obscure though it is perfect yeah we were talking about it before the recording henry i we both found this out gary lewis

is the son of jerry lewis he was a very lucky boy because like jerry lewis was i mean this this song came out like within the same decade as the nutty professor like he was he was an it wasn't like oh jerry lewis's son when jerry lewis is an old man because this is back when celebrities had kids in their like 20s instead of in their like 70s like they do now yeah i guess he's still kicking at 77 gary lewis i was reminded of gary lewis's existence because when we did the sideshow bob black widower the jerry lewis dean martin reconnection thing gary lewis was one of the main sources in that too he was he was telling the story of it from from his childlike perspective which was as as our pal thad reminded us like

no that's all bullshit they did that for the camera they they hung out many times before after that and after that it was just the most visible one and you really couldn't look up the other appearances but gary lewis got a payday for this and i guess still does from from the disney corporation although it sounds like uh they they wielded kip lennon to do the singing on this because it's not the actual uh recording oh i bet you it is kip yeah yeah i oh and then that's when uh they fade to the next scene of the repairman coming in uh homer have with crusty pulling his tongue out another of my like all-time favorite shots i just love how wacky and big homer's mouth and tongue is like it's too cartoony uh i wonder how graining

felt a really wonderful uh resolution to the episode yep here's your problem someone set this thing to evil i love you hom Homer. Come here, you. Here you go, buddy. Did you walk the dog? Yeah, he buried me a couple of times. Yeah, dogs like to bury old junk. Yeah, you stupid idiot. Oh, what a day.

Homer made me give him a sponge bath. But coming home to you makes it all worthwhile. Here, let me get that for you. What a sweet ending there. And I guess according to them, the segment was going to end with Homer just being mean to Krusty. There was no coda with him coming home to malibu stacy it's great that then once they become friends homer instead like no you're my you work for me now you're you're my uh employee pretty much who's just comes home from a long day of work so that ending though is in the the final table draft so maybe they change that after the first table read or the first draft this recurring

love american style heart iris out thing that ends every segment table read or the first draft this recurring love american style heart iris out thing that ends every segment is one of the weirdest references that one of the i guess you had to be there because this was never really shown to us and i only figured this reference out like through backwards interpretation because i would see later things reference it more obviously saying it was love american style like mystery science theater did a bunch of like missed uh love american style sketches with the heart iris out on them right yeah yeah and uh yeah i mean the most important thing to realize about this is it was an anthology show and it's what happy days spun off from there was a segment in this anthology show that they spun off into

happy days but there's one other series that was spun off from love american style and that is wait till your father gets home what henry gave a wild reaction yes there one of the segments on love american style was the pilot for wait till your father gets home the two season hannah barbara cartoon from the 70s that was kind of like all in the family but not really and it looks a lot like family guy that's wow i did not know that i i only knew wait till your father gets home from the uh yeah from the the Cartoon Network reruns of my youth but I did not know the context wow that's so funny it's that that and happy days also I forgot it was two seasons I thought it was like I feel like every Hanna-Barbera thing back then was one season and then Hanna-Barbera just sells their next crap

it was 40 some episodes of this show and i have to tell you folks out there that i don't know where you can stream love american style i don't you probably don't want to watch i know i don't but some wonderful psycho has uploaded every episode to youtube in stunning quality somebody somebody out there is doing this for every show that doesn't matter and it's great if you want to learn more of the happy day side of that i i did deep dive into that for our our uh laverne and shirley in the army uh cartoon we did and yeah it's just so funny that they're like oh happy days i i mean it's like somebody told gary marshall hey you see american graffiti hire most of those people and make a thing with that done and done the dog likes to bury old junk

i love that line the original line is homer sends crusty back you may see crusty brings him a beer on that tray and it's not drawn like a regular duff beer that's because it's a light duff and then homer says like oh that's a light beer can you get me can you go back give me another one then crusty's like yeah okay and he just leaves like okay you've solved the mystery for why that beer looks weird there you go yeah it's all it's all in the script it's uh it's so uh i i think the hard iris out though is listed in that in that script though too but so and also though crusty apparently is um making love to this doll so much that the head is falling off i guess is what's happening here he's really working the mouth is what we're saying oh boy alright Why don't we move on to the start of our next story here

So then his wife Comes through the door So Did I mention she was dead No Well she was And she hit him in the head with a golf club And

Don't you remember he went golfing all the time And it really bugged her. You said he went bowling. No! Homer, I've coughed up scarier stuff than that. Grandpa, why don't you tell us his story? You've led an interesting life. That's a lie and you know it, but I have seen a lot of movies. I love the lot of movies they they have to show you that homer's bad at telling stories and can't establish things that's why homer doesn't get to tell a story in this one he's actually bad at that yeah it's another i think it's the last framing device where it's everyone telling a story or like some characters are telling a story although i don't know why lisa

would tell the crusty doll story it doesn't really make a lot of sense yeah it doesn't really fit for her why she would tell a story that doesn't involve her in any way yeah that's true I didn't have a lot of lines in my story but yeah so I did watch King Kong for the first time in my life and I I just feel like I didn't need to see it but I'm glad I did because uh I don't need to tell you people this but uh it's a good movie and it is if I mean it really helps to have a context for what what for what movies of this period look like because it doesn't look like any of them it's so sophisticated even though of course obviously the puppets very jittery there's like the effects don't really work the way they should

but it was one of the biggest magic tricks of its era and it's worth respecting just for that alone remind yourself that is an it is now a 90 yearold film and that they were able to do this stuff that is still incredible to look at today and a lot of times, and you're just thinking like, well, wow, how did they do that? Like that inspired a generation of special effects people like who by the 50s and 60s,

they became adults and were doing the stop motion stuff even better. And yeah. Yeah, one thing that kind of shocked me about the movie is because i don't watch pre-code movies a lot because there's not a lot of really famous big pre-code movies that by that i mean the haze code that said you have to you can't show certain things you know criminals can never win you can't you know show race mixing in your movies things like

that so when you sit down to watch this you know you do not expect to see so many people die on the screen in hilarious ways like you you will see someone fall off a cliff in a hitchcock movie but you won't see the body hit the ground and you see that about 14 times in king kong it's so many yeah i mean obviously you laugh or i laugh because i was like well that's an obvious dummy so you do laugh but i mean i also don't i did not want to watch it i re-watched it too yesterday i hadn't seen it i watched it as a kid but hadn't seen it uh in full in a long time i don't you don't want to act above it to be like oh look how crappy that looks but there were a couple times where like a dummy actually it's when somebody survives when fey ray and the boring guy fall off the vine and fall like like literally

like a hundred feet into water and at the edge of the water too is where their dummies fall and then they pop out and i was like oh sure they're fine they're fine i appreciate a good dummy but yeah so when i was a kid seeing this king homer segment i i thought it was particularly violent about you know the amount of people he eats well he chomps on a ton of people in the movie too and you don't expect that level of violence in a black and white movie from that era so it is it's kind of shocking you're like wow they they went there i mean obviously we've seen so much more violence since then but it's just odd to see it in that context with that acting style being filmed this certain way you just don't think it's possible but it is i mean you see uh fey raise nipples in this movie that surprised me in fact during the scene uh my wife my wife and i

both laughed like beefs and butthead because during the scene in which the movie maker guy denim uh director if you will puts her in this like diaphanous see-through gown and gets her to pose while he films her and he's like he basically says you stop posing i'm gonna get behind this camera and start cranking and we we laughed about how uh he's he's telling this woman dressed very seductively to pose and that he's going to get behind cover and start cranking. He's cranking away. Yeah. I also, I did laugh at him saying crank.

He says crank it a couple times. I'm glad I watched it too because there were many times that I was like, oh, well, not just this shot, but even the talk about women not being wanted. That is the first five minutes of the movie. They go, I want to dame in this picture, but no, they say I got to have romance to sell it. Well, I'll give them romance. And the Smithers guy in King Kong, he is the love interest.

He's not the gay guy who gets eaten by King Kong. That's why I never think about that guy because I just think about like, oh, he gets eaten. As very well described in the scene in Inglourious Bast, where they're playing the game at the Nazi undercover bar, you know, there are easy comparisons to make to the story of King Kong as some sort of, I don't think fully intentional by the director or writer, but as some sort of allegory on African-Americans in the world. And I mean, it's not good, but just watch The Inglourious Basterds. I think you can read it a number of ways because clearly the movie is not like,

oh, colonialism really worked out for us. This did no damage to us and where we live. I was reading Will Sloan. He has a really good review on Letterboxd. And he's saying that, like, I don't think they had this intent, but it does reflect uh values of the time and this movie honestly king kong is not trying to say anything really it's just like what if there was a big monster and we grabbed it and there was lots of cool stop motion and then it you know went loose in new york because i would say i would

say like uh conservatively 65 of the movie is basically a silent movie with with like just incidental dialogue just action scenes i feel like it was just spectacle and the idea of like trying to say something with the movie was not really on the table except uh twas beauty killed the beast but people forget that quote starts with it wasn't airplanes you have to remember to say that first also i've seen it quoted as twas but he really does say it was yeah yeah by the way i know tarantino was hardly the first guy to say hey this story of the of king kong being dragged away from his home and put in chains and displayed for americans there's an easy connection to history you can make there but i i do i i'm with you bob that i think this is because in part because it's 90 years old it is of course

full of racist stuff by today's eyes but i do wonder contemporary in contemporary standards it was not seen as racist for its time like like how say for its time 15 years before this movie came out birth of a nation was viewed by people then as or some people then this is a racist movie like that's what people called it then yeah i mean uh it surprised me because uh i will say this is the most black people you'll see in a movie uh from this era maybe even 30 or 40 years later and to be fair they're not playing roles they would want they would they prefer but it's not people in blackface doing this they actually hired black actors a lot of them to be in these scenes um so baby steps i guess but you will never see a black person in a movie of the in this era unless they're helping someone with

their luggage yeah and uh but yeah like you said too king kong murders so many people i did think that for the longest time i thought homers king homer killing so many people in this was supposed to be their way of like oh this homer kills this king kong kills people all the time because in the remakes i feel like they try to soften king kong and make it like no no he's not a bad guy because if he if king kong say in the peter jackson one directly murdered as many people as he does in the first one you would not you would not think he's a great guy or or someone to be pitied yeah nobody feels conflicted about king kong in this movie they're like no he's gross kill him and he just kills people indiscriminately

there's one scene towards the end where he's just climbing a building he sees a woman asleep in bed he just pulls her out she obviously is freaking out i mean how do you react to that if you don't know giant monkeys exist but then one wakes you up by pulling you out of your high-rise apartment and then it's like oh you're not the woman i want throws you away you're just dead i'm like somebody kill this bum get him out of here oh he just and he smashes up that train for so long and he's like no you're killing all the people on this train. I mean, all future giant monster movies are reaction to this one. And fans who like fans who felt bad for King Kong, then they make their own King Kong or King Kong likes.

They put in more pity for the character or more empathy, or they make a more lovable all these things to lighten up King Kong. I mean, definitely in the Peter Jackson one, which is twice as long and half as good. He works very hard to make you feel for King Kong. And the Ann Darrow character in that loves King Kong. She hangs out with him and thinks he's great. They're friends. I'm going to steal from my Letterboxd review.

And my thoughts on this movie are it should not be called King Kong. It should be called At Least Eight Dinosaurs. Because these guys get to this island and they just seem to be inconvenienced by the dinosaurs. Like, get all these dinosaurs out of here. I'm after that monkey. Like, they don't care that dinosaurs are real and all around them. They just care about this monkey.

Like, is there something about this world we don't know? Are these guys seeing dinosaurs all the time? I love, yes, again, I had to laugh of when the first, I forgot the first thing they see. Like, here's a stegosaurus that you've never seen alive they don't exist and they're like kill it kill it oh it's moving some still shoot in the eye there nope one more time yeah it's dead i felt bad for that thing so yeah i i do think i mean they are trying to say things about like these are this is like the white man

intruding in these places and is this right because it's like that what they're doing is kind of ugly but i don't know if the audience of the times would see it that way but it's just a big rorschach test for like society and race and you know when all the filmmakers wanted to do is make a giant monkey movie not understanding the implications of certain imagery really if i was on that island well maybe he was easier to capture but i would think if i'm making a show look a gorilla that's bigger that's bigger by 10 times than every other gorilla pretty impressive i agree but there's other gorillas exist what doesn't exist is a t-rex or a pterodactyl like those those are the things more impressive i had to laugh uh though because there is basically just a 40 or 45 minute chunk

of this movie that's pure action no no real dialogue, all stop motion. Then they capture King Kong with these gas bombs that this episode references. I swear to God, so much of the movie is Chekhov's gas bomb. It's like, good thing I got these gas bombs. Hey, watch out, there's gas bombs in there. Don't get them wet. Oh, did you bring the gas bombs? I swear there's like nine mentions of gas bombs.

And the way King Kong is taken out, just like one gas bomb knocks him out and then after all that action they cut to the theater he's in just there's no discussion of how he gets there which is great i like that and it's a bunch of like muppet show quips as people are sitting down in the theater like a big gorilla we got enough of those in new york city yeah i love that and they don't seem impressed enough when they see him either. Yeah. Like, yeah. Oh, and we do get a woman sincerely saying, well, I never in the audience. That's true. Characters from Marx Brothers appear in this too. Yeah.

It really is a fun movie to see. I liked it a lot. I would say of all the modern ones, I also, I think I do have a love of King Kong, probably mostly because I dreamed of going to Universal Studios Florida, which when it opened, when I was around this age, King Kong was a huge part of it. Their giant, no pun intended, but that you would see a life size King Kong, animatronic fucking up New York City. Yeah. When I see the closeups of king kong which are not slot motion they're just a big face i'm thinking are did they go to universal for this i know i love and yeah sadly bob you never got to experience that king kong and it's gone now

he burned alive it was well that was the hollywood one the florida one they just tore it down and replaced it with the mummy ride so it just doesn't exist anymore but it was a really fun ride with a great uh person telling you like well i think we'll be safe from king kong wait what's that i think we survived it everyone there's they those guys worked hard well actually we had a woman doing it but yeah the people who did it worked hard this this commentary is an interesting point in history in which the peter jackson movie was announced but not out yet and i have not seen it i know you have henry but i i listened to the we hate movies recent live episode about it it sounds excruciating i will only give three hours of my life to a movie if it earns it and it seems like this one does not no it's uh i haven't seen it since seeing it in theaters

i was gonna see it because i really did love the Lord of the Rings movies and I thought like boy what can he do with this yeah the problem was after he made Lord of the Rings he's like I can make a three-hour movie every time or three hours is my starting point he had dreamed of making a King Kong movie for forever it was his blank check to make a King Kong movie it is full of Kong lore and love he loves King Kong so much but it makes them luxuriate forever and it like here's a great example of it in the original king kong the t-rex fight is so memorable i loved it so much as it scared me him snapping the jaw like it was terrifying to me when uh but it only lasts so long in the movie to surprise you i guess peter jackson's like people think he's gonna just fight one t-rex i'm gonna have him fight three t-rexes and it is so much longer and more and more t-rexes show up and

eventually i was like if that was the scene i was waiting the whole movie to see because i was like boy how's he gonna do the t-rex fight and it is three times as long and boring it gets boring at a certain point when he's like punching his third t-rex i i came to dislike it uh and also when i saw that movie this is how long it was they capture king kong at seriously two hours into that movie and when he's captured and they're like well we're gonna put him on broadway and it fades out multiple people in the theater and this was like the first week of the movie stood up and left they're like i'm accepted this is the end of the movie for me i'm out of here i'm done with this yeah i don't know if i could watch it again now like actually like watch it in

in real time i will instead play the xbox 360 launch game you'll get 800 achievements easy from that that's why i played it nice those will finally give me the respect i deserve but kogan and walidarski yeah they wrote this one they tell the funny story of Sam Simon they went to Sam Simon's house to watch it together and then Matt Groening's like huh I wasn't invited to that that's one of the few references on the commentary to Groening and Sam Simon not liking each other now especially because he's dead I I do wish they'd have just done one with Sam Simon like Groening is like okay matt you don't have to be here we but sam simon should get to tell something on a commentary yeah it's it's

very unfortunate that he was just so done with it when he left because uh there are so many stories that i would like him to tell like i forget even what he sounds like outside of a few podcasts i heard him on so uh we get we forget how essentially he is even though his name is in every episode up front yeah at least for the first four seasons yeah and i feel like he'd he would have better recollection of some things than graining would not graining is great but i i would love to hear sam simon say no i remember when we pitched this instead of hearing people say i think sam pitched that one i think simon would have had a better memory of but also he i think was pretty much done with simpsons emotionally then and i think a commentary was the last thing he wanted to do they do mention that they could not have him uh they that matt graining

did not get the invite to the sam simon king kong party i also think carlos paez and his team did their best work in this segment clearly they had the videotape on their desk and were pausing over and over again i that's why i was so glad to watch the movie again because i kept going like oh that shot is exactly in this simpsons episode they just threw it i yeah instead of the other way around i was seeing king homer in king kong i was seeing shots and compositions and acting this lives and dies on the animation and they the animators made this work this time marge is just tired as if she was from a personal's ad instead of being found as a uh classic apple stealing a vagabond she was pulling

in aladdin yeah the director basically stops her from being punished for stealing and kind of like carries her away like she's an object like hey and then when she thinks he's hitting on her he's like hey don't get me wrong i don't want to i want this strictly professional like i want that guy his accent is hard not to just do for fun because he's like it's a great picture i'm gonna oh guys we're all gonna be millionaires i'm gonna take you with me that's right buddy yeah everybody talks like that in this movie except for the women so it it's like, I got the angle. Beauty and the Beast. Yeah, no, she's more like, oh, I've never been on a boat before.

Wow. Speaking of women in boats, let's hear one of the famous lines from this episode. My name is Marge Bouvier. I'm here about Duran. Single white female wanted for mysterious expedition. Must like monkeys. Non-smoker preferred. Well, you'd be a welcome change of pace from the rest of these crude and uncouth sailors.

Arr! Arr! Arr! Arr! Arr! Arr! What do you think, Smithies? I think women and semen don't mix. We know what you think. Young lady, you're hired. Burns is much more devilish than the director in king kong yeah he had uh i mean he was compromised uh morally he i guess he tried to do the right thing more often than burns does in this the director in it is more just like a dreamer who then when people like die for his dreams he's like well that's too bad anyway like but he's not he's not trying to kill

people like burns is so yeah one thing you heard the clip of tankers area doing a pirate voice a sailor voice but captain mcallister or the sea captain won't be invented until two production episodes from now so we just had a non-fat tony mobster and we have a non, uh, captain McAllister, sea captain guy going, yarrr. The beginning of their love of saying, yarrr, yarrr. Though, uh,

this was not in the script either. This, uh, originally it's when he says crude and uncouth sailors, it's them arguing about cubism as an art form. So, uh, I prefer them just saying,

arr, arr, back and forth. Cause I love, I love their yarr off they're having here. And yeah, the Smithers line, I mean, probably the most explicit reference to him being gay at this point. And it seems like Burns knows he's gay. He's like, we know what you think.

But it's just like the guy in the movie. Really, at first, you think he's going to say the Smithers line, but it's more like women have no place on a ship with a bunch of men yeah when she's talking to him on the boat later he's just like he keeps saying it to her like i wish you weren't on this boat and then later the guy says he's accusing her of getting soft he's the the director's accusing him of getting soft on a dame he's like nah i'm never going for that stuff and like that again back in the 30s guys would just say like i'm a bachelor forever and no one would accuse them of being gay but now when he says these lines it entirely reads as like i am only attracted to men i fuck other sailors on this boat all the time i'm not into women the fact that he was the love interest did surprise me with my 2023 eyes

though they make sure you're right it is pre-haze code but they do make sure to say like they're getting married tomorrow just in case you think they've been you know unwed for too long after hugging one another or no he does kiss her on the boat that's true now that women and semen i mean the line semen obviously didn't make sense to me as a kid flew flew over my head i think it was a later teenage viewing where i i heard the joke oh. Bob, actually talking about movies you may or may not have seen. Have you seen 28 Days Later? No, and I want to watch it, but isn't it in a weird limbo right now where it's very hard to watch? When our blank check pals talked about it, they said they had to.

One of them bought an old DVD and another found a file somewhere. And also, because the movie was filmed digital, it's like a 480p movie. There's no HD version version of it apparently but i think like the soundtrack is like in a weird space so yes it's hard to watch legally right now unless you just buy an old dvd i think i might have watched the back half of it on sci-fi channel or something uh in the late aughts but uh i really want to watch the whole thing after hearing the blank check episode about it i loved it i mean also like fast zombies i'm sick of them i get it like and it invented fast zombies so i see how you can be sick of it but not to spoil the movie for folks who haven't seen it but at the halfway point of the film which is it is a uk-based zombie movie halfway through the film

the two two characters are locked up and while they're locked up they are one of them starts reminiscing about the simpsons and i have i have the moment right here in the zombie apocalypse as we would all do in times of of strife we remember episodes of the simpsons to get us through it and here here's the line was that was that a theater camera henry that i swear that was me turning it up as loud as i could the guy is echoey and off screen for it got it yeah yeah al jean references it on the commentary which was just it must have just happened yeah though al jean clearly didn't see the movie because he's calling it a vampire movie yeah he called it 28 days a movie about vampires from the future yes maybe he got it confused with 30 days of night or

something oh yeah yeah which is a van that's an all right vampire movie it's a good vampire comic turned into an all right vampire movie funny i remember in the theaters back then hearing a simpsons reference was not so special but or was special now not so special well we made a job out of reminiscing about the simpsons especially during times of strife but it's so funny hearing this guy go like and that was my favorite joke on the simpsons and that's what they're doing over there they're fucking watching the simpsons that's what every other simpsons podcast sounds like people you're lucky you found us uh and uh and yeah like you said bob even the shot of the three guys on the ladder watching march sunbathing that's just from the movie too

it's real three stooges staging because they they look very uncomfortable to just just be that close to another man on a ladder on a smokestack it's like we all gotta say our jokes in order and uh yeah the apes but they're not so big that bit was a late edition though the spirit of the joke is the same basically it's them saying i thought we're's them saying, I thought we're going to Monster Island. No, no, we're going to Zombie Island. No, no, we're going to Skull Island. Oh, Skull Island, that's scary.

The ADR is better. Yeah, I prefer the ADR joke. So, you know, there are some good changes with these video edits. I forget that Otto is the skipper from the movie, and he even has the pipe in his hand that he's smoking when they arrive at it. And it's framed exactly like the introduction of the island. he's like look there's the wall just like i said auto's the skipper and originally the line instead of uh the ape island jcs which is about the junior chamber of commerce which like uh that's people who you know would make up tourist things for a city back in then it's sort of like uh i think it's like the knights of columbus or like the

rotary club you you'll see these signs on like welcome to town name and you'll see like little shields for different civic societies that are there that's that's back when people needed those instead of just going on facebook and talking about vaccines but the original joke which is good but i i think i like that one better made up by the ape island jc's the original joke was so why is it called skull island well it was founded found in 1792 by admiral skull it's okay joke it's more of a dad joke i do love uh the bathing beauty the bathing beauty and so they head to the island just like in the movie they part the grass and look at the dancers i i think the they're actually underplaying what is not really a joke in the

movie but they get to the island in the movie and they see all the natives having a ceremony and they're still hidden and the director is like okay everybody stay hidden i'm gonna get a shot of this and he pulls the biggest camera in your life you've ever seen out into the middle of a clearing start setting it up and that's when he spotted so marge's hair poking through the uh the grass that's that's like way more subtle than a man setting up a huge camera in the middle of the clearing that everyone can just see him that's very true you're right yeah that actually is played funnier than it's done in the episode they are called out with mosey tatupu which again we're dorks we don't know the we're not sports

people we did we have to look these things up. I'm sure my parents laughed because they knew who Mosey Tatupu, the NFL football player was. Oh, okay. I didn't know it was a reference until now. Yeah, he was a Hawaiian football player, mainly played for the Patriots in the 70s and into the 80s.

He had retired the year before this aired. And if you look at pictures of him, he doesn't not look like the chieftain who says mosi tatupu but it's uh it's a reference to that football player so and his name is m-o-s-i space t-a-t-u-p-u it's and also to cut out time they don't do the whole thing you go back to the boat have her be kidnapped go back to the island. They're just like, eh, she just gets kidnapped and tied up. That would have made the movie a lot better, I think. If they just cut to that and got straight to it.

Yeah, yeah. It's like, I mean, it's not a long movie, but it could cut out like 10 minutes because you're still waiting to get to all the Kong and the stop motion stuff. It's a pretty long drive to that special effects stuff. I really like that they even, when in the the movie when she's tied up they even think about like oh yeah the things that tie her up to it it has to be undone by kong so kong like is able with his finger to like turn it backwards and loosen her wrist i was like oh that's a really neat little trick i hadn't even thought of that in my memory thanks to this episode i thought hong fights the t-rex before he gets her

because that's how it is in the episode but the t-rex fight is after he gets her but uh yeah homer fights the t-rex and uh it gets bit and shouts out dough again that the crushing it's not just like him snapping his jaw and crunching it in it's also the like animalistic ways like you alive you live like he wiggles the corpse of the dead T-Rex. It for real scared me as a kid. I feel worst of all, I feel nothing for Kong. I'm feeling bad for these dinosaurs. They're just doing their job.

Well, isn't that because they're not unlike birds? You're on the bird-like side? I think so, yes. I am on the bird-like side, and they're more charming. You know, I hate King Kong. I hate the idea of a giant monkey is gross. I hate Bigfoot. So I think I'm naturally predisposed to hating King Kong.

So in the Kong versus Godzilla wars, you're clearly on the Godzilla side. Godzilla smells a lot better is what I'm saying. There's no, like, oil glands on his body. He's not producing odor. He doesn't pee and poop. They're just a cloaca and it all comes out in one nice mess i feel like they've all got the advantage over kong well he lives in seawater so he's constantly getting like water washed off like cleaning him like going

through the water too i think yeah he's a cleaner monster that's what i'm looking for oh and also with his radioactive powers i mean when he blasts out his he gets so hot when he blasts that out that would kill any germs on him anyway wouldn't it if he's getting hot he blasts out his he gets so hot when he blasts that out that would kill any germs on him anyway wouldn't it if he's getting hot enough to blast out his radioactive breath and he's a source of energy too so uh kong come on not a fan in the godzilla kong movie that just came out basically they had to admit that king kong would just die from godzilla very quickly if he doesn't have a tool so they like give him an axe like basically an axe that can shield that also soaks up godzilla lasers so it gave him a fighting chance against god it does

sound like a boss fight now this movie kong the movie's on king kong's side because he's the underdog in in godzilla versus kong which i did like i thought it was a good movie i mean it's not not saying it's great skull island that's the my favorite actual like movie movie it's full of great actors give and really quick people have problems with that godzilla 2014 for its slowness and it is uh pretty slow bob are you looking forward to godzilla minus one coming i didn't even know it was coming out or what it is oh boy well bob it's the new japanese godzilla film that's coming soon. It's called Godzilla Minus One. It's not in the same universe as Shin Godzilla. It's a period piece, so it's set in 55 when the first movie came out.

Okay. I like it. And also, I'm interested because unlike Shin Godzilla, which took, I think, a year to come out in America, it's almost day and date release in japan and america godzilla minus one look for it soon folks godzilla minus one king homer shows up his entrance is exactly like it the shots of the big king homer head are exactly like the shots of the big king kong head they are so perfect i love every shot of homer of the giant homer head yeah in fact the stop motion is so good in the movie itself that when they cut to the non-stop motion king kong face it actually looks kind of bad because the

stop motion is that good eerie in how it's like when a guy is in the mouth of king kong being chewed on that's where i think it stretches the credulity the most i'm like all right that's just a guy like sitting in his mouth but then i say this was 90 years old. I'm not above this movie. Also, lots of stuff looks shitty now in special effects. When people have all the money in the world, they make shitty special effects. But here's another change. Instead of monkey stew, originally says we can make hats. I prefer selling monkey stew to the army.

That's nice. The phrase monkey stew is funny. Homer starts chewing on Lenny. I love his line, quit eating me. This is a golden opportunity. If we get him alive, we can put him on Broadway. Dead, we'll sell monkey stew to the army. You keep your hands to yourself, mister.

Now we don't want to kill him. Shoot him around the groin and belly. Hey, Homer, cut it out. Come on, quit eating me. Ow! Nice shot, Carl. No! No! nice shot carl no no all right you big ape get a snoot full of this gas bomb yeah uh just how lenny is just not not really that put off by this and then uh kind of scolds carl for shooting him yes nice shot carl no i love how he's great once all that's over then he's like no not like his he is then desperately begging for his life as he's chewed on until he's dead. Like I said, I love this as a kid, but I've not seen this kind of violence before, as

cartoony and silly as it is. So just the idea of being eaten alive was placed in my head for the first time, I think. Kong, he more chews on guys and spits them out. Like he chews on them, but it's rare he swallows them. I'm sure it's because the little puppet guys he has, they don't want to rip them apart. Also, dismemberment was probably a line too far for them. Yeah, maybe. They don't actually go inside of his mouth.

He doesn't swallow them. I think it was probably too technically complicated. There was already enough going on. It's like, can you just chew on it and just kind of drop them? So, yeah. And then stomp on them with a big reel. I mean, the arm, the hand and feet, too, which are all just to scale. Those are also so fun to look at, too, in the movie.

So, Bob, I'm sure you bet that they changed the song Burns sang, too. I'm sure you figured that out. Oh, yeah. The way he's posing, was he singing like a Madonna song? No, no. He actually was singing a song i had to look up uh because unlike cotton hill in king of the hill i am not a fan of the andrews sisters i don't know all of their songs but he was singing their 1925 song don't bring lulu which is a song about we're

gonna go to all these things uh bring all these things to the party but don't bring lulu she's no fun basically so he's instead of singing a parody of the fountain in the park which is uh strolling through the gas one day i guess uh 1920s was not old enough for a burns reference so they went back to 1884 for the fountain in the park yeah i don't know the andrew sisters you would think that would be public domain by that point that song too but and yeah those gas bombs they are the exact gas bombs from the movie like they are designed to look the same again a big uh big disappointment they throw one gas bomb the explosion isn't great kong just kind of gently falls asleep i was expecting just a barrage of gas bombs they bring this huge crate with them everywhere and they're constantly

mentioned it is so like they're really setting up for the gas bomb scene when it's really nothing the way uh homer king homer falls down is very similar to the falling asleep by kong as well yeah and then also smithers gets eaten which wraps up that whole uh that character story which that's all in the script too and so speaking of things um that aren't exactly the same but they i think they did some sort of change because dave shutton here, it's first Dan Castellaneta. But then later when he says, what are you going to do, run amok in downtown Springfield? That is Shearer doing the Dave Shutton voice. Yeah, I don't know if like how these lines were assigned to certain characters.

But I think this is the first time I noticed that that character changes actors between shots. This also is when there is a another big change from the script which is when they cut to king homer added and and uh and burns is saying what they're going to do originally he says he's going to stand around for a bit then the near mission then stand around some more then intermission then we're going to play a gershwin medley and he'll listen to it appreciatively hey that's good too i also like the implication of just the racist jokes that will follow with the ethnic comedy of dugan and dershowitz which i i would guess that it means it starts with like irish jokes and jewish jokes and then goes from

there and they're they're ethnic comedy do you get it i it's just also funny to hear mr burn say dugan and dershowitz they they really are underlining just i mean you're seeing the eighth wonder of the world but you're not like what when do you leave yeah what what like what is it like after seeing that giant monkey for so long you're just like all right uh can we go now honey that's what's great yeah in the show or in the actual movie the show they do you see what the director was going to do is like i'm on stage here he is behind me now while you're staring at him and he makes noises i'm going to tell you the story of how he caught him and that sounded like that was mainly his plan of like i'm just going to basically do an hour-long storyteller series while you look at the ape and i tell you the story

well there should have been a separate press event for this like a video game preview or something because these guys should have been standing in the wings taking photos during the performance with their giant flash bulbs unprofessional distracting i feel like word of mouth's also gonna he doesn't need the publicity i think word of mouth of the giant ape's gonna do it i love how it's framed of like they're all backstage talking and you're seeing the photographers go like wow look at that but you don't get to see king kong until he's unveiled to the audience in in the big shot and it is quite a big platform when he's when you see it it is impressive every time i think there's supposed to be a guy who points at king kong in the actual movie uh but yeah i mean what what the director says on stage

isn't that far from he comes before you in chains for your own amusement he he basically is saying that but yes this is when king homer makes his broadway debut what kind of show you got for us mr burns well the ape's going to stand around for three hours or so then we'll close with the ethnic comedy of dugan and ders Dershowitz. Sensational. Ladies and gentlemen, in his native land, he was a king. But he comes before you in chains for your own amusement. Presenting Homer, the eighth wonder of the world. Oh!

Wow! Look at the size of that platform. I think you're making him angry. Come on, what you gonna do, run amok in downtown Springfield? That's basically the line in the movie too, except they say like, those are chrome steel, you'll never break out of them. This is why dave shutton does not make any more appearances his scream and squish are so well done i i love that too so we get the scene that that also like grossed me out as a kid uh i ran in snippy watching kid of him eating a child alive was this the scene so i believe it was in bernster coffin their craft craft work where bart

sings teddy bear's picnic at at moe's and they wanted him to sing good ship lollipop was am i remembering this correctly yes that's all yeah i actually forgot about that but yes that's all true yeah but they got good ship lollipop for this episode they cleared it it seems like when they had extra time uh to try again they actually could get it and it's the same song in the script too so they could get it yes they get to kill shirley temple on screen who was a contemporary of king kong the the song they're referencing here is from the 1934 film bright eyes pop it sweet trip to a candy shop where fun ones i am dreading the reviews i can tell you that oh hi homie now those surely i think you've said it before when you i think for some other podcast reason you you watch like an old Shirley Temple short. They're weird. They're weird.

Well, worship of the of the beautiful child is just strange to me. I mean, I'm sure her movies were fine family entertainment, but the first things that she was in were called baby burlesques. And it's like, what if kids acted like adults? And it's like, well, we're going to actually make real children cry in these scenes. And it feels I don't think they were treated very well. And's kind of uh upsetting to see this oh yeah very upsetting you mentioned will sloan earlier i saw him with a great reply online actually about a similar thing how people were bringing up that within a year of the release of wizard of oz also judy garland did a blackface scene in a movie and people were like oh this is horrible and it's like it's it is an

ugly scene horrible to look at but wilson made the point of like well hey you know if it makes you feel any better this teen was being forced to do this while not sleeping and being handed a bunch of drugs and eventually died a horrible death in her 40s so so hey if you hate her then you got your wish like she died horribly i wouldn't entirely put that on Judy Garland that she did blackface in a movie when she got to make no choices at all in her life back then of what she did in movies. Yeah, I mean, I think Shirley Temple turned out, maybe there's some story she's not telling us. Or, and she can't anymore. No, yeah, now she's silent.

Unlike in the fictional world, she was not eaten alive, but lived another 70 years. And I think became a congresswoman at some point, I think. And also, by the way, apparently the band Bright Eyes is not named after that song or even the reference to Play on the Apes. It's just a fun name, they say. We then cut to margin burns i love burns like i'm dreading the reviews i can tell you that yeah this guy i feel uh the the denim character the director it feels like he's never concerned like i'm going to be executed for this that's the funniest yeah actually the cut to the end of that movie that's the funniest bit when

he's standing next to the cop like and the cop's like, well, we took him down. That cop should be saying, you're going to jail now. Instead, he's just like, well, you did your job. Good, great job, buddy. Any pithy comment for us to close out on? Yeah, you're right. Denim is guilty of manslaughter of dozens of people. But apparently he could just say, well,

I was told the chrome chains would hold them in place they're chrome yeah also the smashing through the wall to leave the place that's exactly like out of the movie too and i love the shot of marge in the big homer hand but of course the reveal is that this homer is too out of shape to climb the empire state building and in fact can only get up one story and lightly falls to the ground now now this always happens whenever we i think i've quoted this a billion times whenever we're like is this person dead and we find out he's not i will say uh you know he's not dead but his career is it's a great or if someone gets canceled basically that's just how to refer to them

though now nobody's canceled anymore except hey, we just got a big cancellation in jail. Oh, sure, sure, sure. Hey, Danny Masterson, 30 years. This is coming out as the announcement happened. Yeah, you're right. If somebody goes to jail, then I say the cancellation sticks. We have to celebrate the small victories. He's canceled from society, literally.

He can't leave a prison cell. It's great. And hopefully he'll actually stay in jail unlike uh bill cosby the climbing the chrysler building there's a lot to unpack in that because it says al jolson ran amok at the winter garden the winter garden still is open on broadway as a theater that was where al jolson performed many times at the winter garden so it is an accurate al jolson reference currently the musical being hosted there back to the future the musical hey i gotta see that i kind of wanted to see that king kong musical you know i don't know if you've heard of that that it happened recently and its whole

big gimmick is they have a giant king kong puppet that looks pretty good it's a perfect setting of like yeah when we get to the part set on broad, you're in a Broadway theater watching Kong on stage. So it's a clever idea. I haven't heard if the songs are any good, but the puppet apparently is pretty good. I'm pro puppet in musicals, and I'm actually on the brink of seeing Little Shop of Horrors once again. And this time there is a puppet. They're doing the puppet version this time. Wow, man.

You're very shop-illed bob this will be your first second time second version of it you're seeing in like a calendar year i think or in a 12 month period right hey uh it turns out it's performed a lot because it's very popular so it's very easy to see look up your local your local seattle uh music musical places henry a performance space is whatever they're called i'm gonna look that uh community theater there you go yeah uh well and, as we know from the research on that episode, too, part of it is that you only need five actors for it, or six actors for it. So if you're doing a small production, it's pretty easy to do, too. You know, you look a little flushed.

Maybe you should eat more vegetables and less people. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh- people. Uh-huh. He's not dead. No, but his career is. I remember when Al Jolson ran amok at the Winter Garden and climbed the Chrysler Building. After that, he couldn't get arrested in this town.

Don't worry, homieie i'll take care of you are you with the bride or groom right this way as well though the original line so that line is there but before that burn says it wasn't beauty that killed the beast it was the fall and that trolley car that crashed into the small of his back hey i like that because uh everyone forgets it wasn't airplanes yeah it wasn't but i guess since he isn't dead they're like we shouldn't have the, why have that reference? Let's just have the not dead. And all the weddings in there too. And by the way, Dick Cavett was not born in 1933.

He was born in 1936. But the headline's funny all the same. Yeah. Now here's the thing. Before you see the full spinning paper reveal, it says Woody Allen born, right? Well, it's Dick Cavett's in the picture. Right. But as the paper is spinning towards the screen, the joke they replaced is Woody Allen born, right? Well, it's Dick Cavett's in the picture. Right, but as the paper is spinning towards the screen,

the joke they replaced is Woody Allen born. Oh, I didn't catch that. When it's moving, it says Woody Allen. Oh, wow. They replaced the joke, and I'll tell you why. Because Woody Allen was born in 1935. The paper is dated 1936. Dick Cavett was born in 1936.

I think they were being sticklers for their own jokes. Wow. Okay, so it's actually them being even more sticklers than oh man that's impressive wowee i mean also in 92 was were they not feeling like joking about woody allen perhaps hey hey the time was right to joke about woody allen in 1992 well they're in an interesting position we talked about it before on a podcast but marge simpson's voice actor stands by woody allen and appeared in woody allen films several times after the bad stuff came out i think it's sort of like their approach to scientology i think just a little bit well he uh he has made like 25 movies since uh the suny business went down so that's

about 300 actors he's just got a brand new one coming out now too yeah meanwhile this ends with a wedding which they even reference like yeah when we did the fortune teller marries the uh the leprechaun we did the same joke uh 11 years later but in this case uh this tells you oh how did mr bouvier die he's eaten by homer and and i miss that i miss that you actually see him before he's eaten in the pan across the wedding parties. You actually see that character design. Yeah, yeah.

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Have you seen this one yet, Henry? No, I'm such a Romero guy. I never watched the Return ones. Well, it turns out like about half of his zombie movies aren't very good. So you can go back to 1985. Well, that's his fault for bringing down the average by making more of them after 1986 return is of so good and it really is the origins of zombies uh vocally wanting to eat brains so it come it really comes from return and i can't i can't vouch for return of the living dead 2 or whatever but the first one

has like one also one of the best like practical effects zombies that like the tar man i think he's called or the mud man tar man it is it is like frightening it's it's such a great effect no i've uh you know i've said every halloween but this scary season maybe it's time to finally watch it but yeah i i am of course a video source snob so i looked down on them because i heard they're funny and they also the stole the living dead name from romero and he had to just call his movies blank dead or whatever like dawn of the dead not and the living dead get to be these other movies so i look down on them for that reason but i mean i love the romero ones but yeah you're right i think there are shots in this especially

these tilted angles of the the camera that i'm like okay this is night of the living dead the references but i think definitely the magic stuff in it pulled it's not magic in the romero films it's it well it's either unexplained or science i think it's more i mean maybe they explain it in later movies but with return of the living dead it's like something is burned and that gas is what makes the the dead rise from the ground so i guess it's not magic but the idea of something like radiating from a source that makes the dead rise is from return of the Living Dead. But yeah.

But first we have to hear about nature's candy, which if ever I hear anybody call fruit nature's candy, I think of an ashtray being thrown at that person. I hope it doesn't happen very often. Whipping ashtrays at people like that is classic abusive behavior that you hear about in Hollywood all the time. From like, say, Scott Rudin in stories or Harvey Weinstein. i think both of those guys are described as throwing ashtrays at people among others i think elvis threw ashtrays at people i think it's uh now ashtrays are not as handy you can't just fling them around anywhere you just throw your vape pen at them with the big heavy usb battery attached to it you can kill somebody but that's so uh that's hard to replace an ashtray those you can get like five a dozen or a dozen for five bucks back then uh and then also in a thing that does not stick around ned pops in with an amazing halloween uh outfit dressed as a zombie and uh he

this ned loves halloween and he scaredly dares him do you do you take it as intentional that he's dressed as a zombie and then bart tells a zombie story like it inspires his story uh yeah i think i mean because he's like if you think that's scary i got a story for you so it's just seeing a zombie is what causes him to think of like oh i've got a zombie story and so this is when bart's gonna tell his story after a couple more grandpa jokes hey hi fellow halloween. Did I scarily dare you? I didn't. God darn it.

Nice try, Mr. Flanners, but I've got a story so scary you'll wet your pants. Too late. From A-Apple to Z-Zebra, Baby's first pop-up book is 26 pages of alphabetic adventure. Bart, you mean to tell me you read a book intended for preschoolers? Well, most of it. You have to read another book. Dial Z for zombie. That's another Hitchcock reference for dial M for murder.

Another great movie, and this has nothing to do with it at all they just had a clever title there's no phone involved when we last did this i was really feeling zombie fatigue well how how do you feel about zombies now bob i i'm not against them anymore i'm i'm perfectly fine with them uh i don't really seek it out in fact going back to how things have changed in 1992 this was really my introduction to zombies. Which is why I think Bart has to kind of give viewers the zombie rules. Because zombies weren't really a genre that was in the mainstream. You couldn't go to Barnes & Noble and pick up Pride and Prejudice and zombies off the shelf, right? People knew about Night of the Living Dead and things like that. But just like the zombie movies were few and far between.

And yes, there were a ton of zombie movies on vhs direct to vhs that market but very few were theatrical at this point in time but our late 20s and most of our 30s were all zombies all the time in part because you guys heard us talk about video games a ton at the start here we worked in video games and in the gamers sphere every other video game was zombies or at least had a zombie mode in it or things that were if not officially zombies worked like zombies because if you're playing a game where you shoot things uh zombies are perfect enemies yeah yeah i mean i don't uh turn a lot of people i've come across have basically turned their nose up the idea of anything with a zombie in it at a certain point in history i could see that happening but i think that zombie wave has really crested

and now we can just uh it's it's a welcome addition to to our content minds it's like oh a new zombie movie and this one's good or hey they remade another resident evil game and this one's really great so i feel like we appreciate it more now that everything isn't just like jokey zombies everywhere uh the stupid zombie land movies that i mean i feel like zombie land was the peak of that fad it's like what if bill murray was in a zombie movie it's like well who tricked him into this well in the walking dead series is technically over now though it really is they just called the next season a new show name and it still has a lot of the same actors on it but yeah i mean i was reading the walking dead comic so i was i

was kind of into zombies as a concept and people were doing fun things with it but i feel like we had the what the wave it crested and now we're we're like in okay zombie territory again i also feel like maybe zombies come out as big deals when there's a democrat in charge so we should be in a new zombie wave now but i i mean what are the horror i feel like the horror waves now are just elevated horror or i base it on you know in the scream movies what they say is the current horror and they talk about elevated horror prestige horror that kind of thing is is the big deal these days though this segment reminds me of something that happened to me in my life that i'm not sure if i ever talked about because i had no idea about zombies and it happened around

the time of this episode where the night of the Living Dead remake which is actually very very good it came out in 1990 and it's especially good if you have seen the first one because it's it like subverts a lot of the things that happened in the first movie the woman in Night of the Living Dead is not the helpless catatonic screamer that she was in the first movie it's like a really nice subversion of that trope but it was coming out on video and my mom was dating my stepdad and he was a blockbuster video member and we were going to rent blockbuster videos a story i'd never been into and because it was fresh out on video there was a zombie in the store basically there to promote the fact that you could rent night of living Dead 1990 on video and it

was me just encountering this concept for the first time and just saying I cannot be here I gotta leave sorry guys so I really think of that moment maybe that put the zombie thing in my brain so when I saw this I was like oh it's just like that horrible man that terrified me in the video store wow man definitely costume characters could scare me in places but boy i don't think i ever went to a place where someone was dressed as a zombie wow yeah i don't know who released the movie were they sending zombies to blockbuster it wasn't a blockbuster employee my kid memory is that it was very realistic i could bet that blockbuster had some tie into it and was selling it i mean they could also legally sell the movie because it had no cut the original right it had no copyright yeah that's wow that's interesting

i did see my child introduction to it was i think it got played on nick at night one time and it started and so i saw the beginning of it and just the idea of i didn't know what i was going to see but just the beginning of it of the chase through the graveyard like five minutes into the movie i was like change channel change channel i i it that got me i if i'd seen one in person like you boo and macaraning is a little stinker on this he's like that's not scary why do you think this is scary and i i've seen it a few times in the past i don't know 20 years and i do think it's unsettling i mean yes it's a very cheap movie uh it's basically like a roger corman movie almost but the way that it's filmed makes it seem like you're just watching a snuff film and anything could happen for sure man and it's

i mean especially even up to the last shot that is such a gut punch like wow this this feels just too real but yeah so then bart heads to the library to find something else he's looking at where's waldo where's waldo yet again waldo books were all the rage then or as everybody outside of the united states knows him wally it's wrong sorry i wonder if british kids when they first saw this episode aired on sky tv if they were saying like who's this waldo champ what's he so all about? I kind of want the cell of just Waldo prominently in the foreground on the beach

of in the kid pointing to him in the background. That's just a great funny drawing. He's just not trying this time. It's also a joke about a lazy writing too. They're just like, eh, I'm late. But then Bart is called into the occult section, which has 666 on the Dewey decimal. So here's another plus from reading that script.

For the longest time, I would have thought this evil book was an Evil Dead reference. Because we're both big Evil Dead fans, but I don't think they necessarily are on the Simpsons writing staff. I bet they've seen it, but I don't think it's one they like reference all the time. It wasn't a popular movie at that point. And at this point, it was very hard to watch. Right. Yes.

As in availability. Yes. Not like it scared everybody. Yeah. Oh, we mentioned about the video nasties earlier in the UK, for instance. Yeah. But actually, the reference is Nightmare on Elm Street 3 Dream Warriors. Oh, when he's got like he opens his sweater and all the faces are coming out

yeah he's like the children trapped inside me give me strength or whatever he says yeah it's because it says quote like the children trapped inside freddy krueger are the faces on the page that's how they describe it so it is intentionally a dream warriors reference now that is my favorite nightmare movie after the first one and probably the only other one that's worth salvaging uh come on bob two uh two is fun but i think three is the most fun and it's got a theme song by docking look it up on youtube everybody right now drop what you're doing dream warriors is a perfect song and i love the music video too i love that they fight freddy krueger in it it's so great it's uh it's right up there with the fat boys fighting freddy krueger in it it's so great it's uh it's right up there with the fat boys fighting freddy krueger i can't say which i like more the soundtrack the production

values the story all of that is better in three than two but i love the homosexual intrigue of two i can't i can't get over it it's so great i love how gay i love how gay it is this is just a speculation on my part but wasn't there something about the director not understanding what he was making but everyone else did everyone else did like basically everybody but the director understood what the movie was i have to direct our friend uh double check this with lewis beitzman who is the uh previous guest and expert on this film i think he had said definitely it seemed like the actor and the writer and all that knew it. I could be misremembering, but I think the belief is that the director said that to distance himself from it when it wasn't done well. He's like, oh, they put all this gay stuff in it.

I didn't like that. Like, I think the director knew though. That's my guess. Look up Lewis Pitesman's oral history on the making of the film to learn it for yourself, guys. I've since forgotten this information. But yeah, so Bart gets the occult book, brings it home. film to learn it for yourself guys i i've i've since forgotten this information but yeah so bart gets the occult book brings it home we then get to see a wrongly colored picture of snowball

one which mac raining harps on on the commentary which is it does lose the joke about why snowball two is snowball two yeah snowball one was named snowball because it was a white cat and that's why snowball two is a black cat that's the joke of the character's name that I think just is lost to time completely. A white cat died. They needed to adopt a new cat, but they couldn't adopt a white cat. So they got a black cat, but the kids still forced them to name it Snowball 2.

So it's a black cat named Snowball 2. It's a very, it's a very Matt Groening joke. A good one too, but completely lost to time. But we get an origin of the death of Snowball 1. Chapter 8, let's talk zombies. If zombie bites you you become a zombie you must walk the earth feeding on the brains of the living until the spell is broken bart please don't you remember that snowball one died four years ago tonight run over by the mayor's beer-swilling brother clovis hey maybe there's a spell in here that'll bring her back from the dead let's see what we've got how to get your skeletons their widest selling your soul in a buyer's market

ah here we are how to raise the dead yes yeah this is back when uh we talked about in the previous episode that there was more references to the extended family of mayor quimby and this is clovis which i mean what uh what a huge uh a far-fetched idea a drunk driving kennedy character no that had never happened i feel like it's also kind of a sly billy carter reference like oh a politician has to have a drunk bro embarrassing brother but this could also be ted kennedy thing too one and in a couple weeks soon they'll have bill clinton's brother to talk about as well i'm trying to think of the other brothers it's like obama has a brother who definitely gets a lot of headlines for not liking him and then meanwhile our our friends on choppa have brought to the attention to me

joe biden's brother the uh who just looks like joe biden except like slightly like uh six months younger it's a very of it's it's eerie how similar joe biden brother they're basically irish twins is what you're saying if that's what it looks like yeah see i haven't checked that uh their actual birthdates but i think on choppo they've joked that it's like he's the backup of biden like yes he just looks just like him this is like you said when bart explains zombies to everybody because they could not count on people understanding it they headed to the cemetery and then over to the pet cemetery so this is also a pet cemetery parody too that's right and like i thought i thought they had fallen in love with this scene the initial establishing shot of bart

at the grave but really they had to put it over the credits to imply that it was content there was there was some there was some weird thing in the edit where they didn't leave room for a commercial after the episode ended so they had to imply with the image behind the credits that the show was still continuing which is a real trick and i like how gene admits yeah it's my fault i was i was on vacation and it had mike reese had to fix all that problem did you note the this unintentional foreshadowing of pinchy the uh there's a a lobster grave that says eaten by mistake yes and of course we have the graves of fish police a show i still haven't seen capital critters check out our what

a cartoon on that and family dog which uh a show i watched like i think the first episode of when it was new and i don't know if all of those aired I'm sure it's easy to find out that's also lost the time these are things that are only basically available on YouTube now yeah Capital Critters has to be the worst but someday we'll have to watch Fish Police I feel like we gotta as a what a cartoon as Aljean says it part of the fun was like oh yeah all three of the pretenders or the guys who tried to draft off of our success were talking animal shows so they they're dead animals that's part of the fun i mean it also is simpsons meanness to kick them all they're down though like hey y'all got canceled yeah yeah how you

did how you like it down there boy so it wasn't this easy no no i mean they all did think it was that easy especially the capital critters guy but now is just saying, okay, the show's almost over. Here's 16 references. Man, it's like he's trying to make us make this a three-hour episode. This took, I mean, like, it's got to be three hours, folks. We're staring at 2.30 right now, at least in the recording. And, yeah, like, a lot of these things I didn't know because these are just, like, pre-our-era game show hosts. So should I go over these, Henry?

I'm sure you might have some things to say. Yeah, so Cullen Rayburn Nars Trebek. Bill Cullen, he hosted 23 game shows. The original version of The Price is Right, he's pre-Barker. He was known as the Dean of Game Show Hosts, but before our time because he passed away in 1990. But he died in July of 1990, so on his deathbed he might have seen season one of the simpsons i would bet not but yeah he could have he could have yeah and gene rayburn he hosted various versions of match game over two decades we have jack nars he hosted uh seven keys

beat the clock concentration and now you see it and you've got to be kidding and of course alex trebek we all know him as the host of the wizard of odds and also jeopardy for 36 years so now his version of jeopardy was a revival of a version of jeopardy that ran from 64 to 79 and the weird owl song i lost on jeopardy is based on this original version of the game show which is why don pardo is in that song because don pardo was the announcer of the uh 70s version of jeopardy that did not have alex trebek that music video confused the shit out of me as a kid but uh yeah that's this line also confused me entirely as a kid i just through context i was like i know who alex trebek is i guess the others are hosts but nars especially that is such a weird like you would think you'd change your name uh

if you were going to be a host of things from nars especially in that era yeah yeah no yeah thanks for pulling all that up i was like i knew gene rayburn when the game show network was new i didn't mind watching reruns of Match Game. They could be fun. And one other thing to look for in this scene is that, yes, we have comedy tombstones like Family Dog and Capital Critters and, you know, the lobster accidentally eaten. But if you look around in freeze frame, you can see just the names of regular people, which I assume are friends of animators, friends of background artists, friends of regular people which i assume are friends of animators friends of background artists friends of layout people i didn't write them all down but i i tweeted about this uh prominently you can see the gravestone of jp blackmon who is just some guy and uh i mean they just they were having fun but i'm surprised mac grading didn't see this and get upset i was waiting

for him to get upset on the commentary like wait who's this one guy i also like that they have obviously we as kids did not have lps so i didn't know that was a thing to wear one as a hat but the extra comedy of that bart has the thriller album that we saw him show to fake michael jackson but then also thriller is a song about zombies and music the the most famous music video about zombies ever and Michael Jackson more of a threat than any zombie because he's real you wouldn't want to see him after midnight actually as Bart seems to think

he's not real a few years after this one that it's just made up to scare children and I have more references here Zabar, Kresge, Kaldor Walmart, Zabar from what I could tell is a famous deli in new york city upper west side deli uh kresge that's the name of a department store mogul in fact the k in k-mart is for kresge and in previous versions of k-mart had uh kresge in the name so i can see why they

just went with k k-mart walmart's the only one that still exists though, huh? Yeah, Kaldor defunct as of 1999. I think Kmart hung in there until like the late aughts, early 2010s. I remember, at least where I grew up, Kmart was the lowest of the low. I was like, if we go to Kmart, that's because we couldn't find a birthday gift for somebody at Walmart or Target or even in the Winn-Dixie gift aisle. It was definitely the most dilapidated of the local department stores. Now, my wife and I love to find these YouTube videos of just like ambient sounds or just like 10 hours of so-and-so music.

And in searching for certain things, I get these suggestions now. And some of them are basically like eight hours of Kmart in the 70s. And it is the actual music they would play with announcements in a Kmart. Wow. Yeah. So look those up on YouTube. You won't be able to stand it for more than like 10 minutes because it's just the most saccharine music. But it feels like what music in The Sims is parodying when you're buying things in that video game.

Somebody showed me recently some of their favorites of those. But it's like it's stormy outside and old music is playing through the door like and so it's like old music but it's kind of muffled because it's like on the other side of the door yeah it's like uh it's the 50s and you're being driven home in a rainstorm and uh there's a radio playing in the front seat and you'll see comments from people like in their 90s talking about how they remember this and oh those were the days and things like that it's very sweet how many people have died listening to it now and those those aged people like it it lulls them into death they probably just switch that on in

the nursing home also uh there is one cut of of spells here uh right before he says the the game show host he says prozac xanax darvon tums which i am cool with him yeah i mean honestly these aren't funny they're just clever i guess i mean there's one naughty one that i feel like is the salvageable one but these are just like cute at best three is all three is enough yeah yeah speaking of names when they crack out of the ground that's when we see tombstones for jay kogan and wally walidarski who are on the commentary and they can point out you misspelled our name well just kogan i think because kogan is on the on the gravestones k-o-g-a-n and in reality it's k-o-g-e-n but it

was funny to see uh them on there and i was thinking it partially was because they quit during production season four just say um this will come up more in later ones but i reconfirmed this that like john vd said here in an old old tweet he put out like this picture is from their last day the day we did this table read for mr plow which was jay and wally's last day so by the time the animation comes back they are gone so i could see those tombstones being their way of saying like uh they're dead to us now because they're not on the show anymore that's how oakley and weinstein slide in and we were all the better for it that tells you how old politically correctness jokes are that bart says they prefer to be called the living impaired like it's like

holy shit this is 31 years old yes uh zombie's going to tell me their gender now. That's the, hey, don't misgender that zombie. Yeah, I wrote down in my notes, Bart is woke. Them walking out of the cemetery, that's the living dead shots to me that we're seeing, and then them coming down the street. I love the way Ned goes like, I thought you were dead, but wow! Like, oh, great, great great line but w yes in our next

clip the zombies are loose in springfield martin prince report to my office at once and bring the big juicy chess club brain of yours along with you hey kids look what you can win in the Krusty Sweepstakes. To enter, send me your parents' brains. All right, parents' brains on a three-by-five card, and send it to... Homer, did you barricade the door? Why?

Oh, there's zombies. No. Spare my family. me take me Homer's kind of annoyed now zombie Krusty is still savvy enough to know he has to follow proper sweepstakes protocol in that no purchase is necessary so you can always send in a postcard with your name and address and that counts as an entry i love that because uh i love that shot of of the zombie holding up a sign that says parents brains that is such a funny image i saw that as a sell for sale uh over a thousand dollars uh did not buy it but i was like man

that's a good sell there's a couple more zombie funnies that were cut from the script one lisa calls chief wiggum to warn him and he says like a little girl i think i know when zombies are here and then he's eaten by zombies while he's on the phone with her and then the second one in the school they have a couple jokes with Edna as a zombie as well. Now, I think the Simpsons got a message from Q warning us that teachers are going to be eating their students in school. That's the conspiracy theory now. All these secret messages that are completely obvious, but also don't tell you anything. That's exactly how Q wants it.

Also, that drunken technical difficulty sign, that's one of the funniest images in the whole series. Yeah, out of all of them, I love the Kent Brockman in the straitjacket. And also the puppies playing with the camera cords is good too, but I just like the drunk cameraman is great. It's almost a libelous statement to the cameraman of like, oh, they're all drunk that's the technical difficulties so instead of bart's lesson being how wrong i was to dabble in the black arts instead in the script he says ah this will teach me to never go to the library

again that was his that was the lesson oh i like that more i like that a little more bart instead bart's delivery is more just like he's in an after-school special like how wrong I was I thought it'd be fun to dabble in the black I mean I like that it feels like a preachy after-school special and Homer is definitely doing the Terminator shotgun flip maneuver right I mean oh yeah the movie didn't create that but it kind of made it iconic I think it's totally him an intentional reference and he looks so cool with his gun this also feels like an uh a get on matt graining's nerves thing to show homer looking awesome blasting people with shotgun my mom loves this line so much i thought dabbling in the black arts would be good for a chuckle how wrong i was i should have never read that book. Wait, Bart. Maybe the library has another book that'll reverse the spell. It's our only hope. To the book depository! Hey, Simpson. I'm feeling a mite peckish.

Mind if I chew your ear? Dad, you killed the zombie Fland he was a zombie he was a zombie would say they say it was mike reese's pitch perfect one of the all-time classic triassophora jokes i just love that homer homer just if homer ever met ned holding a shotgun in his hand he would kill him every time but i wonder if it was partially uh gay panic too because it's like uh ned is asking to nibble on homer's ear so under the threat of that he just shoots him with a shotgun it's also well it's funny too when ned is a zombie he still makes slight cute turns of phrase because he's like oh chew your ear meaning like have a conversation but

he also wants to literally chew his ear so then talk about something that's not in the script i feel like one reason stuff got cut from this is because they had to make room for like 30 seconds of kang and koto i'm surprised this is not adr it feels like it was something added later maybe it was a retake or something but there i mean it's i don't think this is great because there's no heightening it just they're gonna laugh they're gonna laugh a lot oh no no this is adr this oh it is okay it's because something feels um it feels like there should be something more here but i didn't read to me as if there was lip sync issues no i i think it is based on the look of it i think it's them from the end of the get a board with a nail that'll kill them all okay yeah yeah you know what you might be

right it could be just frankenstein out of another episode's footage especially because they're looking at at america from the space which i think is the end of that one but like zombies have the earthlings on the run soon the human race will wither and fall like the earth plums we have seen on the observascope like the earth plums we have seen on the observascope like it's such a funny i guess maybe something seemed missing because they can't really do anything but talk and laugh i think too it it calls back to times where gina said we forget to write them into the episode and then we have to like add them way late i think this is one of those times like ah shit if we don't have kang and kodos in this then it doesn't keep the the system going it doesn't keep the

story going so uh after that scene in the script they arrive at the school zombie edna asks bart for his homework and she he says uh my dog ate it and she says lies and then this is not a zombie movie but she does the donald sutherland body snatchers point and scream oh okay it literally says like donald sutherland and body snatchers in the in the script homer is just an action star killing everybody who all happens to be buried in town doesn't this also remind you of the thing in the the treehouse from season 14 we just did where it's like oh all of these old gunslingers are buried in springfield and kaiser kaiser wilhelm yes yeah that's right but but here hom Homer is re-killing a bunch of famous people. Bernie, not you too.

I'm not a zombie. But hey, when in Rome, wow, George Washington. Take that, Washington. Eat lead, Einstein. Show's over, Shakespeare. Is this the end of zombie shakespeare it's kind of like sideshow mel there with uh or charles darwin it's it's this that's the voice that uh dan does for those characters i i think it's intentional that it's einstein who says oi yeah it's with with no lip sync just like we need him to say something here. So in the original script, I actually prefer the directness of,

is this the end of zombie Shakespeare? But the original line is, the rest is silence, which is Hamlet's last line in Hamlet. I like him making up just the quotes, not even referencing something. Just like, well, Shakespeare never said this. So they head to the library. That's where they pull the book off the shelf there's missing a scene where bart books that puts the book back on the shelf at some point because he has it in the cemetery then they need to go back to get it

from the library but it's like at what point did he get rid of it after the cemetery here's more references i i assume they're all 70s uh detective show characters yes though kolchak the night stalker i've heard is very very good uh dana gould's obsessed with it it is sort of the precursor to the x-files although not very popular and it stars the dad from a christmas story oh okay i like that guy yeah well i dug into a lot of these when we covered look well because look well is also a parody of these 70s cop shows in fact banachek is the first one somebody's like yeah you played banachek no that was george purpart i played banigan and i i think

i recently rediscovered that uh bookum dano is from hawaii 50 oh wait dano's in this sorry this is the sorry this is the research i was doing for this yes yeah yeah so dano is not i mean i guess dano is a character but hawaii 50 the the quote was book them dano and i guess that was a character but that there was a new hawaii 50 for a long time a long time yeah it was i believe it was that they had produced lost in hawaii for so long that when the show ended all these production people like we've got an entire production thing right here in hawai's like let's just do a Hawaii 5-0 reboot and it was very successful and apparently didn't have all the behind the scenes problems that that Lost had based on recent tell-alls about the production of that which now even more so Bob we never need to see Lost because now we know that there was

everybody was treated very poorly on Lost as well and hey and also no resolution that was satisfying and we talked about this before henry but when podcasts were first really getting started everybody's podcast turned into a lost discussion suddenly it's like well i didn't turn i didn't turn on to this video game podcast to listen to your lost analysis guys i'm sorry you should be smart enough to know this is heading nowhere that's so soured me i'm lost hearing it from some certain video game podcast at the time that i did enjoy but i remember it was like the season three or four finale and like somebody pulls a lever in the end of an episode and they're like i think the lever means this because you remember four episodes ago they said this line

it's like this shit don't matter like they they're making this up to hit a deadline i can say because i worked there it was probably like three one-up podcasts that got completely derailed by lost chat yeah actually i i couldn't even uh nail down one i know like three different ones i could name right now but but i i still had a good time listening to those old one-up podcasts but i think there were some times where i was like okay 15 seconds 15 seconds 15 seconds are they done talking about lost yet eight minutes of lost chat it should be three hours of simpsons chat exactly that's the normal amount of time to talk about a tv show that's good bart does his first spell with the uh with the names of 70s detectives that turns lisa into a snail a giant snail it's such a great

design you alerted me to the sad news that there's only one toy of this though bob oh there's only one toy of of from this uh from this segment snail lisa oh i forgot that i alerted you to this it's a funko oh it's a funko i think that might have been nina actually oh was it okay sorry thank you i could tell we look the same. It's easy to get us confused. It was said to me in the same room. It was, but yeah, sorry. Yeah, so Nina alerted me to this. They made a Snail Lisa Funko Pop. It's currently $12 on eBay if you want one.

It was part of a whole line of Funko Pops from Treehouse. Treehouses get most of the variant action figures, which totally makes sense, and they're very popular. But it looks fine made for whatever it is. But it's like, you know, I haven't kept up with Funko. I know in the lockdown, there were stories of a bunch of Funkos like got sent off to an island somewhere because nobody buys them. And there was a huge stockpile of them. I don't know where Funkos are at currently popular.

I don't I don't see them as much in. Well, I don't go to GameStops as much or big box stores that often, but I don't see them as much in in uh well i don't go to game stops as much uh or big box stores that often but i don't see them as often as i used to so maybe the 10 years of funko the rain is is coming to an end i you know when i walked through the stuff that was on sale at pax west the uh video game con we both just appeared at and did a live podcast at i didn't see as many funko's for sale as i used to see it at nerd cons like that i think the dream is dead after making uh 11 billion dollars it's time to wrap it up and then yes bart list condom brands uh big laugh from my parents something they wouldn't explain and then again a teenage viewing i figured it out i uh yeah i i think it took a long time

before i knew these were condoms uh i've i was very sheltered boy it might have been earlier than that though because i remember like you would go to like the uh the right aid or the cvs or the walgreens or whatever with your friends to like buy comics or candy and then you would like sneak over like whoa let's get the condoms people put this on their dicks and they just like, and they just put them on the shelves and we can see them. Well, you know, I feel like in my areas I could be wrong and maybe this is different in

Florida now though. I bet it isn't different. I remember that the, the condoms were behind the counters at, and when I moved to California and saw condoms, like literally on the aisles, I was like, Whoa,

you have condoms in the aisles like i i it felt new to me like i had not ever seen that before but yeah so that is the the one that saves the day a giant sky beam comes out and sends the zombies back to their grave or some of them just start rotting in the streets it's not very scientific this did add my mistake to my lexicon though if i make a my actually i should have just said when you said oh that was nina who said i should have been my mistake that's great mistake it's a good catch-all it's especially the pilgrim and the old west guy both being buried in springfield i also love how it's how a guy this is how like just dudes say

things are a mistake that he's like excuse me this is mine it's like this is your car this is your car of this make and model and then like my mistake i definitely like john sit john smith 1892 about about a decade later we become a real my bad culture that also reminds me of the uh i really like the line they give the the crusty repairman earlier in the episode how he says here's your problem somebody turned this to evil like it's how a repairman goes like i'm not saying who did it i don't know did you do it did somebody else break it but ah here's your problem somebody forgot to turn the wrench all the way with your water main or whatever it's being diplomatic they announced that it's just corpses rotting in our streets which people love yay and all of the rest of these lines are the same and this ending is the same from the script

we have one last bit of social commentary as is fitting for a zombie production trojan ramses magnum chic seeing how still pushing that boulder? Uh-huh. Excuse me. I'm John Smith. John Smith, 1882. My mistake.

The zombies that plagued our town are now just corpses rotting in our streets. Yay! Well, I'm sure glad we didn't turn into mindless zombies. Shh! TV! Man, fall down. Funny.

Makes you think, huh? It makes me think that they redid that ending for The Joy of Sect. Yeah, six years later. Yeah, it's the, you are watching Fox. We are watching Fox. I kind of like that one better because it's almost like television, and Fox in particular, intentionally brainwashes you to watch it instead of just like, the TV is a thing you just sit still in front of you know and it turns you into a zombie without you realizing it but for an episode that begins with homer daring

you to turn it off then at the end they're like you're a fucking zombie think about this on your couch fat loser like you go out and do something but stay tuned for martin yes don't don't you dare turn away from martin you they already turned away from drexel's class don't do the same to martin please martin lived a much longer life and this is such a fun one too because this is the last one where it's just a one-off like simpsons for the next few years after this they'll make it a night of treehouse reruns like it's just one of many that but this is the third once they get to four then it's a full two-hour block for for the night but this is the last one where it's like oh this is just like a new episode of The Simpsons.

That's the Halloween special. I do think that some lines they improve for the better, some not. I think this has really good animation, but not the best. And I think last year's Halloween special was probably better. But yeah, I hate to be too grumpy because at the same time, this is one of the best TV episodes of anything ever, just by virtue of being an early Simpsons trios of horror. But based on what bookends it, and especially, you know, four and five, the specials that come after, it just seems a little weaker in comparison. And they even say like, oh, yeah, like just people didn't think it was funny.

The screening, no one really liked it. So they had to do a lot of work. But I wonder if it was just their tiredness leading to a lack of confidence and just trying to fix it in any way possible by changing as much as they could from the original script. I want to go back to 1992, intercept that Korean footage and see what it looked like as it was originally produced, because I bet it was still pretty funny. I think, too, that lack of confidence comes in where they think that it's connected to by October when they get it in or maybe late September when they get the the footage fully in that that is when most of the writers have left Gene and Reese know they're not coming back either and there's even this thought of all right does Simpsons even still exist anymore after this like that general thought is going around so maybe that too is is

adding into their thought their way of thinking like just their worriedness and and and and also rushedness of it too but yeah it could be a matter of them thinking yeah they're gonna bring in merkin to get us to 100 so they can sell this show in syndication and that's kind of it so do we need to be that precious anymore with this stuff we're very very tired first and third are weaker as far as writing goes but i still think they're full of amazingly funny scenes the middle one is my favorite because now that i've just re-watched king kong i think it as a tribute to the 1933 film is gorgeous and and full of amazing amazing moments so i'd still say it's it's a really good one but when you compare it to treehouse 4 and treehouse 5 or 6 and 7 it gets blown away by those. Absolutely.

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