Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - Two Bad Neighbors With Virgil Texas And Matt Christman

Episode Date: April 18, 2018

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I heartily endorse this event or product. Ahoy, hoy, everybody. Welcome to Talking Simpsons, recorded on a real Table 5. I'm your host, the good, not great, Bob Mackie, and this is a chronological exploration of the simpsons who is here with me today uh henry gilbert and i'm fighting with a local oaf right now and we have some special guests for this very not political episode who is right over here uh

that's matt chrisman from chapo trap house and uh who else is with us today oh virgil texas also co-author of the chapo guide to Revolution, Manifesto Against Logic, Reason, and Facts, now available for pre-sale. Woo! Is that fall? Yeah, fall. Awesome, yes. They moved it up to August. So we got some Chapo boys here on the podcast.

It didn't take much wrangling, so thank you, Virgil, for being so accommodating. I live to please. Thank you. So can you talk about your show a bit? I'm sure a lot of people know about it, but in case people need to know why this is a huge deal for us to get. Yeah, why they should celebrate us.

First, how much money do you make? That's number one. And second, what is your podcast about? We make, you know, well, whatever we can keep. What we make is our business. It's nobody else's business. You can find out.

Yeah. Please don't try to find out. We do a very kind of low-key, non-confrontational, not very controversial at all show. We just like to rap about what's in the news.

We talk about politics. We might get our hands a little dirty there. Mostly we just talk about food mascots who we really enjoy. There's some musings mixed in there. Yeah, you know, your noids. Rules for life we give you, though. Absolutely, 12 of them specifically.

I'm worried about being a lobster from you guys. You tell me a lot. It's the only creature to be. Or I thought we were all like birds. Is that what it is? We're both. We're the plumed lobsters. Flightless lobsters.

So this episode, today's episode is Two Bad Neighbors. Classic Simpsons. Yes. Excuse me, sir. Where are you going? I'm going to punch George Bush in the face. Okay. Is he expecting you?

Today's episode aired on March 25th, 1996. And as always, Henry will tell us what happened on this day in history. Oh my god! Oh boy, Bobby! The Cowboys and the Steelers win their respective playoff games, the series finale of the Commish airs, and one of the worst film release dates ever as we get Lawnmower

Man 2, Dunstan Checks In, and Biodome in the same weekend. Oh, a fine weekend to stay home, I guess. I'll admit to seeing Biodome in the theater as a misguided youth. Anybody else see any of these movies? I've seen Biodome, not in the theater, and I've only caught

pieces of Dunstan Checks In, never the whole film. I saw Biodome, I just caught it on TBS, one of those networks that plays stuff like that. Yeah, they were like the stoners who don't actually do drugs, right? That's right. Wasn't that their thing? Yeah, they just act stoned because it was a PG-13, so they couldn't show them actually

doing the drugs, so they just were dumb. Just in the Bill and Ted tradition. Even though Billy Baldwin was a white guy with dreadlocks, he couldn't smoke weed on film. You know, biodome is a concept that just kind of fell off the map after the 90s.

Which is kind of funny because we're in more need for dome-based solutions to climate problems than ever. We really should be getting back onto the dome shit. We need more biodomes. Why did they stop this experiment? Build a bigger biodome, please. Didn't someone sneak weed in and that was

the reason why it got fucked up? There was polygamy happening or something? Yeah, there's always insane sex shenanigans. Someone brought Cheerios in and it violated the... No, that is true. Somebody snuck a food or something in that ruined the experimental parameters. Weren't the rich weirdos now building islands they can live on in the future now? Sea steading, yes.

Or space colonies? Something like that? No, they're going to, for example, just a fucking oil refinery out in the middle of international waters. And they'll just throw some soylent dispensaries out there.

And then they just put some routers in so that they can download crucial illegal nudes and child porn and stuff, and they have fun. I mean, after the slanderous Stephen King novel Under the Dome, I think domes are just ruined for everybody. Nothing but trouble happens under those domes. You make that Pauly Shore movie today, it's going to be a seasteading thing. I mean, with all the other sequels they make of 90s things, why hasn't there been a biodome, too? Like, direct-to-video.

Because everyone forgot about biodomes. Yeah, they're not relatable. People say, well, what the hell is a biodome? Why would I care about it? Back then, there was just the craze for domes. Yeah, I mean, after this podcast, I'm sure it'll be put in production. So this episode, Two Bad Neighbors, I think it's famously hated by Simpsons fans, or it used to be. Before, there were a lot of really bad episodes.

Really? What did Don Del Grande think? Oh, Don Del Grande. That's a good poll because that is the dude who hated every episode. Hated every classic brilliant episode. Famously. Wouldn't it be funny if he loves it now? Wouldn't it be funny if he's still doing reviews and they are just raves? This is what I've always wanted this show to be.

Yes, Homer works at the Mapple store. I love this. Yeah, if you go back to the All TV Simpsons reviews, Don Del Grande famously, like, Mr. Plow, C-, try harder. Yeah. Like, he hates the best Simpsons episode. I assume he took his own life or something. He was not in a good place. Because, like, how do you not get joy out of classic Simpsons happening in front of you?

I mean, the few of us remaining who are old enough to have the memory of being able to sit down on Sunday with a brand new episode of The Simpsons that you knew in your heart was going to be amazing and you're going to talk about all week, that was a special experience. And this guy never even had it. But this episode is – Why was he watching it and posting to a Usenet when he's giving everything a C or D? Some people just crave misery. There were other things on TV.

Yeah, but if he didn't like that, I don't think he was enjoying any of the other offerings television had. Maybe he really loved Empty Nest. This is true work of art here. Oh, well, the commish has just gone off the edge. Yeah, there's a lot to mourn right now, but this episode is kind of a late

reaction to President Bush's mini-war against the Simpsons. President H.W. Bush. We need more Simpsons, more families like the Waltons, and fewer like the Simpsons. That's right. We actually have that clip. We have that clip. We can hear him in all his nerdy glory.

We need a nation closer to the Waltons than the Simpsons. Shut up, bitch. Hey, we're just like the Waltons. We're praying for an end to the Depression, too. So that was their shots fired response to that. It was a very small recession. Yeah, but it was just perfectly timed for him to lose. It's amazing.

Speaking of the age gap, like, kids, I barely knew H.W. Bush as a president as a kid. I was just like, well, I guess he's president. That's what you're supposed to have. But I was not aware of anything he did at the time of the airing of this episode. I was not particularly political then. You're probably just aware of Dana Carvey. Oh, I was definitely aware of that, yeah. Me too.

And I knew whatever Bill Maher told me was politically correct. I was like, this guy's smart. That was my feeling at the time. Not so much now. It occurs to me that the way you can tell a classic Simpsons from modern Simpsons is that if they did that episode today, they would have George H.W. Bush play himself. Yeah, they wouldn't do it. He would do the voice. They wouldn't do it otherwise without him.

Yeah, you're imagining how terrible that would be. Marge, David Coppefield. That was awful. We cut nothing. So they tried, Bill Oakley, who co-ran this season with Josh Weinstein in season eight, he said this is like the pairing episode to Homer's Enemy with Frank Grimes, where

it is about a normal, boring guy dropped into a crazy cartoon world and having to deal with it. In this case, it's sort of a very observational humor about a cranky old man. But there's not a lot of Bushisms in it. And I think they tried to keep it apolitical on purpose, though they do mention a few things. It was.

It was. So I just rewatched it as per your instructions. And it's ironic. There's that one line where Barbara says, you know, we wanted to find a city where people aren't concerned about politics, where they don't have ideals. And this episode is – it's very non-ideological compared to Sideshow Bob Roberts, for instance. There's really no satirical point of view. It's just a kind of like fun scattershot of nostalgia from a few years ago.

It's more concerned with being a Dennis the Menace parody than saying anything, having an agenda, making an argument, but it's still pretty fun. It's Dennis the Menace where Mr. Wilson oversaw the sale of guns to death squads in Central America and then covered it up. Well, what would they have said about George H.W. Bush? I mean, this is three

years after he left office. I would have had him having a house party with all the guys he pardoned in his last days in office who are in our encounter like Cosper Weinberger and all those motherfuckers but I mean again but though this is this is a political matter of battle from three years ago and look what happened in the intervening years it was the republican revolution and the republican party just you know goes way to the right and you have these guys like Alan Keyes and Pat Buchanan and Pitchfork Pat who you know might have won those you know, goes way to the right. And you have these guys like Alan Keyes and Pat Buchanan, Pitchfork Pat,

who, you know, might have won those primaries at the time this aired. I can get why they want to stay political too because like later, like six, seven months later in the Halloween special is the Bob Dole, Bill Clinton. One of my favorites. Yeah. And that one definitely has the stance too of just like, ah, you're screwed either way. Like what are you supposed to do? Like, either one's a giant space alien.

Well, the thing is that election is the least consequential election in recent American political history. If you were going to do a joke about aliens taking both of them and exchanging long protein strings, you couldn't have picked a better election. Even better than 2000, I would argue. Bob Dole famously complained that it was very difficult for him to run that race because Bill Clinton gave him nothing to run on because he's endorsed the entire Republican revolutionary platform. Tough on crime, welfare reform, that was his whole agenda. There really was nothing for them to run on. Dole famously ran on a across-the-board 15% tax cut. That was his one bit of policy innovation that was going to set him apart from Clinton. And he also promised to campaign in every state.

He did this insane nonstop whistle stop in the last month. No, that was George H.W. Bush who did all 50 states. Well, Nixon started doing all 50, but he did a marathon campaign thing where he had an event like every fucking day or every minute of every day for like two weeks leading up to the election. And he famously fell off of a stage. Right. Just ate shit like crazy because he was an 80-year-old man forcing himself just how much he wanted that fucking presidency. These guys – that's why Trump is – the funniest thing about Trump is what he has done to guys like McCain and Dole who lived to see someone become president who didn't even try. These guys devoted 40, 50 years of their lives singularly to this goal and failed. Hillary too, of course.

Made thousands and thousands of horrible choices and decisions just telling themselves like, well, I'm going to be president someday. So it doesn't matter. I'll get it. So I'll be worth it when I'm in that chair. And now it's just him in there pressing the Diet Coke button and just watching television. Just watching television.

That's his presidency, is watching television. You could get anybody to do that. That's true. It astounds me that all these people are alive, but Gerald Ford is dead, right? He is. Gerald Ford is the one who's dead out of all these people. Yes. Now 12 years

dead, I believe it is. But like Barbara Bush, Bob Dole, George H.W. Bush, all still alive. All still kicking or groping or whatever they're doing. Yeah, even Gerald Ford got to be president. He's another one who didn't try. Well, no, he literally didn't try. He's the only president who never ran

either for president or vice president. Yeah, he didn't have to do anything. No, they just appointed him. And Dole had run, what, three times or something like that? He ran. He was Ford's vice presidential in 76, and then he ran in 80 and in 88. Yeah. So this episode really starts with, like, they wanted to deal with the Bush thing too because I think the Simpsons and the Bushes, like, it was a whole thing in the early 90s.

I think the Simpsons really knew Bushes like it was a whole thing in the early 90s I think the Simpsons really knew they had something there of like just free publicity from the president talking about them and so they really leaned into that and then on top of that I think I think that taught the I don't know Republican party a bit of like we can't make fun of

something that's cool anymore like we can't talk shit about the Simpsons and then we I mean Bush gets a ton of this episode of like he's an old fud can't talk shit about the Simpsons. I mean, Bush gets a ton in this episode of like, he's an old fuddy-duddy. That was the idea. They attacked Murphy Brown, too. Which was maybe not as cool as the Simpsons, but people liked it. Well, what are you talking about? Murphy Brown was really cool.

It was so cool. And Barbara had said something critical of the Simpsons, right? 1990 or so. Yeah, she talked crap on them in an interview that then James L. Brooks basically wrote Marge fan fiction. He wrote a letter as Marge saying like, I think we would really agree on things and maybe I'm not the best mom or whatever.

And then like Barbara Bush apologized to Marge Simpsons after that. I remember the apology because it was actually very tart. It's a very supercilious apology. Yeah. I would have rejected it if I were in March just imagine I just try to think back to that era when the avatar of public menace to youth the the the figure who is going to

degenerate our young people and turn them against their parents and against Western civilization was Bart Simpson now we've got 18 year old SoundCloud rappers who find themselves having sex with minors and then die at 20 by injecting Robitussin directly into their femoral artery. It was Bart Simpson or a single mother, both leading us to hell. Exactly. Those are the specters. I guess the idea is, well, yeah, that's what you end up with.

If we'd only turn back the tide with Bart and Murphy Brown, we wouldn't have Tekashi 69. They should have invaded against Steve Urkel because there's that solid strain of populist anti-intellectualism. That fucking nerd. Well, that's what Todd Cruz tried to do recently by

saying that the Democrats are the party of Lisa. Yeah, I know. That stuff drove me nuts. But anyway, so this episode starts with like a beach blast. Yes, it's barely a beach blast. Do we have a clip of that or no? Yeah. Oh, we do?

Okay. It was in Ion Springfield, right? Yeah. Marge, I'm bored. Why don't you read something? Because I'm trying to reduce my boredom. Well, you can hand out these flyers for the neighborhood rummage sale. You get some fresh air and exercise.

Eh, I'll do it anyway. Come on, boy! We're going to see the neighbors! Good old Evergreen Terrace. The swankiest street in the classiest part of Press Board Estates. Well, if you love it so much, why are you always littering?

It's easier, duh. They've talked about Evergreen Terrace before, but this is where they're really underlining it. This is where the Simpsons live, and these are their neighbors, and this is what it's like. Well, this is what happens when Simpsons nerds run the show. No writer beforehand gave it. I think the old showrunners were just like, well, what is the address? Some nerd tell me. But now it's the nerds who know. No, 742 Evergreen Terrace,

that's the address. I guess Press Board Estates is the area they're in? Yeah, that's the subdivision. Like, lie in estates in the Back to the Future movies. Affordable Tracked Housing made Homer and Ned neighbors. We missed the very beginning of this

where Homer is bored. It really underlines just like the hell of Saturday afternoon TV before the internet, before there was anything else to do. It's still hell. Saturday afternoon TV is the worst. I have not checked in in a long time, but I remember just, I would never watch this, but I have nothing else to do.

So yeah. All the cable news shows are on autopilot. Yeah. I can't even enjoy the news. Every bad movie from like 1987. I, you know, it's been a long time since I've watched Saturday Afternoon Television. As a kid, I remember once it got to noon

and the last Saturday morning cartoon was on, then it was time for something like competitive sandcastle building or golf at some point. The beginning of golf. Oh, golf. Live golf just made me want to die. That's when you knew you were really just a pit.

For me, specifically in my package of syndication on Saturday morning, I said, watch the cartoons. Then I wanted to watch WWF Superstars, which was awesome. And then it would be Three's Company reruns. And it was the Three's Company song told me that no more good TV was going to be on. Some stupid, boring adult sitcom. It wasn't funny and I didn't get. The Ennui set in after that, like the post-cartoon Ennui. I think after a while, VH1 would put on like nine hours of I Love the Blank Decade for you.

Because it's just like this is just default thing you switch to because everything else is a wasteland. That's depression TV right there. You just stare at it. Give them the Michael Ian Black thing. I was going to say that. You'll remember things for me. Yeah. The Simpsons will be right back.

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No, I thought he lived in a nicer part of town. Yeah, he's a rich Republican dude. He should be in that mansion. Exactly. Well, I mean, they set him up as a Cosby equivalent in that, so he should be living

in a mansion somewhere. Or a brownstone somewhere. Before this point, we've seen the interior of his house and it's very large, very nice. Yeah, and they have a whole, they have a fancy car.

This is also the first time we got to see Apu's Firebird. Yes. Establish him as a hot to truck bachelor. Yeah. And a cheap trick fan. Yeah. I can appreciate that.

This is the season where they added that dimension to Apu, right? Because this is also 22 short films about Springfield was this season. Yeah. And Muchapu about nothing. So they're trying to walk back the stereotype a bit and give him more of a life. I'm sorry, but no, their crimes are too great. They think that'll save them when the revolution comes,

but they're all going against the wall. It is true, but I liked how the one reason they gave, it's like, well, Apu should be working. He should never not be working, but there's an accident at the store, so that's the only reason why he's at home enjoying himself. That is true.

He worked a 96-hour shift once. Yeah, he thought he was a bee at the store, so that's the only reason why he's at home enjoying himself. That is true. He worked a 96-hour shift once. Yeah, he thought he was a bee at the end. It was a hummingbird. Yeah, that's right. But they gave Homer a soda can just to stroll around. I swear to God, they wanted to give him a beer because he was drinking beer on the couch. They're like, we just can't have Homer walking

around the neighborhood with a beer. It's too white trash. It's too badass. Though I like that Jimbo stole beer. He was stealing duff instead of just anything. He's also committing underage drinking on top of stealing. Yeah. I also like that the – well, I don't think I'd ever heard Cheap Trick until I'd seen this episode as a kid as well.

I was 13 when this episode aired. I don't know your guys' ages, but I was also not a cool kid. I was listening to Weezer. I was not cool either. I did not get the Cheap Trick reference. The Dream Police video is an awesome music video. I was going to say, yeah, Weezer was just interpreting Cheap Trick for you. They're like, let's dust

these off and give them to the kids of the 90s. There was that other episode where Homer says, I prefer to listen to Cheap Trick. Yes. And I never knew what that sentence meant. I wasn't familiar with the band. Same with the Starland Vocal Band. I was like, well, I have to assume it's a band.

Well, that joke kind of makes more sense because it is a goofy name. Well, it's also a great band, though. Bad Tattoo. Bad Tattoo, great band. Afternoon Delight is a great song. Oh, then we get a great establishment. I love this. Afternoon Delight is a great song. Then we get a great establishment. I love this kind of – this is such a meta episode.

It's written by Ken Keeler who he would later do like one of the most meta ones ever of Armand Tam's Aryan. Ooh. Ah. Was that a breaking point one for you? For me, that's a real alarm start going off in the bulkhead there. I think that was – well, that was an overall pretty good season if I recall correctly. So that was just kind of this one weird thing. It just – it shows that they're going to start – it's really – it's indicating that they're going to have to start really flailing for plot ideas. There was exactly I think one good joke in that episode about his copy of Swank.

I was thinking the same thing. Armand's copy of Swank. Can I see your copy of Swank, Armand? Yes, you can. I think it was literally made at a time when they were like, well, how long can this go on? Let's just do whatever we want because there will be like another year of this. Who cares? Like let's ruin this character. But I think it's pretty funny and I think –

There is a – talking about – I think there's one other funny joke, which is when he's reading the copy for the nudie place. They're not even wearing a smile. Nod suggestively. Nudes, nudes. And I liked how they disrespected Vietnam vets in that one, too. That's always necessary. I'm a war hero. And we salute you.

So the meta gag here, though, is that we've never seen the other side of the street of where the Simpsons live. So this entire time there's been this huge mansion across the street from them where some jerk doesn't live. Well, that's not correct. Certainly we've seen the other side. We saw it. I can only think of one joke before this where we saw it. And it was still kind of at an angle where it's where Grandpa arrives early for Maggie's birthday. Oh, right. He's like, happy birthday.

And there's some African-American gentleman at the house across the street. And that was it. Like, I've never seen him go across the street. Well, not set something there. I mean, but just see, you know, the housing there. Like, you see that when they pull in the driveway. That's true. So here's Homer discovering the house.

Hey, I never noticed this place. Dad, it's right across the street from us. That fancy house will never sell. Nobody who could afford it would want to live in this neighborhood. Hey, what's wrong with this neighborhood? Big shot. Too good to buy a house here, snobby. Who are you talking to, Homer? The guy who doesn't live there.

Yeah, the logic of that is amazing. The guy who doesn't live there. That's genius. He says it so matter-of-factly to Bart, just like, the guy who doesn't live there. Yeah, the thing is that there would not be a fancy house like that in one of those subdivisions. The whole point of them is that those houses were prefabricated and they were built

very quickly on very similar foundations and similar designs. They're not going to just go crazy and build a mini mansion next to them. They would have had to lay down all the track housing around that house. Maybe that's it. Maybe it's a historically preserved home.

It could have been some crazy rich person who just built a house in the middle of nowhere because where I grew up, somewhere nearby in Ohio, Mike Tyson built a mansion and it was quickly abandoned when he, I don't know what happened to him. Look in the news, I guess. But people would often break into the mansion as a dare.

Like, go break into Mike Tyson's mansion because it was just abandoned. It could be one of these dealies. That exchange is kind of a red herring because you could see the episode developing in a different way and it becomes something like Homer defending the dignity of his community, perhaps from a supercilious outsider. It reminds me of this one King of the Hill episode where all the adults find out that their kids hate the town

and are just going to leave after high school and never come back. And so they make a video to convince them that Arlen is great. And I guess the Simpsons did have their version of that. That was Lemon of Troy, right? That was the town pride way. This town is a part of us all. A part of us all. A part of us all.

I used to do – and this is horribly dated now. I used to have this little one-off called Upworthy Springfield. And you remember Upworthy, right? Yeah. I do remember those posts. Yeah, when Upworthy hit and it was just the most egregious nonsense and it was just like a huge thing all of a sudden. And every time you went on the site, there would be these pop-ups, right? That would be some like preachy thing shaming you into joining their newsletter.

Some like boring, liberal, inspirational quote. And I use that as one of the upworthy quotes. It's just that this town is a part of us all. Part of us all, part of us all. What are the headlines for those like number one will surprise you or this will is a part of us all. Part of us all. Part of us all. What are the headlines for those like number one will surprise you or this will...

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just clickbait shit. Clickbait, but clickbait for good. Yeah. Yeah, look where that left. Look where that went. I want to see how badly

celebrities have aged, number one. That's what my clickbait should be about. That woman is now 20 years older, 20 years later. Oh, how dare she?

Then we get them going through all their stuff and there's some some cool, like, little, you know, tonic. They have all their boxes of tonic. There's Marge's Ringo Starr paintings. There's the I Didn't Do It. I got it all here. The Mary Worth phone, the I Didn't Do It shirts, the B-Sharp records. Yeah. I wonder sometimes, like, if that was the animators or the writers on that part there.

These were the seasons run by the nerds, like the mega nerds. So I feel like they're like, no, put all these Easter eggs in here because in the closet they would just have a closet full of all of like the Easter eggs sometimes. You also see the Aztec head. Yeah, it's an Olmec head. Olmec, yeah.

Senior Estopalapa kettle. Wow, good pull. Matthew is owning us here. Marge's hand is conspicuously over the second S in Asahola. I see. I still like they got away with the Asahola thing. Yeah. You know, I looked it up once, and I don't think those are real Ayatollahs he's talking about.

In my search, I don't believe they are. They didn't come up. I didn't know how to spell them. I made my best guess. I tried, and I couldn't find any of them. I thought there was just one Ayatollah. No, he says – well, that's the thing. In Iran, there's one grand Ayatollah.

But the thing is there is also a grand Ayatollah of Iraq, Ali Sistani. Yeah. But there's usually only one at a time in any one of these communities. Yeah, it's like franchises. You can't have two in one territory. There are under – I think there are lesser ranked Ayatollahs. Do you call them mullahs? Yes. The people underneath the Ayatollahs.

Yeah, you're right. But now in our attempts to hate Iran, nobody even talks about a central figure of it anymore. It's just, you hear the Iran nuclear program, which is certainly a real thing, but you don't hear, like, they don't try to make there's no Saddam Hussein of

that place. Well, it was Ahmadinejad when he was running around in his peasant warrior garb and talking about how there were no gay people in Iran. Classic. He was the lightning rod and he kind of personified the regime. But then when he left, they kind of couldn't process the fact that there wasn't a guy there, which undermines the whole idea that it's a dictatorship. Yeah. So they had to just depersonalize and say, well, you know, those Iranians. Yeah, some of the cannier conservatives will say inane things like, oh, the Ayatollah is this big brother who controls Iran. Yeah.

Well, you can tell how pretentious they are by how much they really put into pronouncing Khomeini. Khomeini. Ayatollah Khomeini. This is the second first of two censored shirts on The Simpsons though. They couldn't say Asahola or butthole and butthole surfers.

Oh yeah. I'm a surfer. Yes. It just says butthole. The shirt is folded strangely. Yeah, I have some guts to be full butthole. Do you have a clip

of that Ayatollah goof? I think so. Can we get rid of this Ayatollah t-shirt? Gomeini died years ago. But Marge, it works on any Ayatollah. Ayatollah Nachbada? Ayatollah Zahedi? Even as we speak, Ayatollah Rasmara and his cadre of fanatics are consolidating their power.

I don't care who's consolidating their power. Well, we don't need this. Butch, Marge! That's the rhinestone knight's fashion gun! I need it to rhinestone up my old clothing! Who's Disco Stu? Oh, I wanted to write Disco Stud, but I ran out of space.

Not that Disco Stu didn't get his share of the action. Yes, it's one of those things where they give Homer weird areas of knowledge like the Supreme Court justices. Yeah, it's true. He knows a lot about Ayatollahs. Couldn't he be both like the great – The late Earl Warren.

Yeah. He's not a stripper. I'm told now who's being naive. You know, actually, speaking of that, I'm surprised they didn't do any like – I guess other than no new taxes, in the references in here, there's no Clarence Thomas reference in this. I guess he – now in history, Bush being the guy's no Clarence Thomas reference in this. I guess he, now in history, Bush being the guy who nominated Clarence Thomas is kind of just forgotten. Clarence Thomas just kind of

happened to us all, naturally. There have been so many more sex crimes since then. I know. It's pretty boring, his sex crimes now, comparatively. That bedazzler thing, by the way, that is the thought you have whenever you see a commercial of a bedazzler on TV. You're like, well, I could bedazzle all these things.

You might do it once at that. And this Disco Stu line, they talk about it on the commentary that they had no – they don't even seem to like the character of Disco Stu. They're like, why? This was a one-off gag. Obviously. This guy was not supposed to appear dozens of more times maybe a regular on the show snorting sugar in one episode yeah he wasn't supposed to have it like a season 27 episode where he moves in with the simpsons for some reason and we uh we meet his uh stepmother i don't know

if you're kidding but you might not be because at this point i i want to believe there has to be a disco stew full episode after this we have a story to tell. This is called foreshadowing. Oh, okay. But we get to the yard sale and Mrs. Glick. They have a random mean old lady in these episodes. It should just be Agnes Skinner in all these cases. It's just odd when it's not her. Well, that was back when they were still just sort of free free styling characters i mean it's the same voice it's the

agnes voice coming out of glick it's like 90 dollars i love the feedback on that yes yeah the the sound that sound design is so great and that is trying to help her like you can put all kinds of things in now just candy 90 dollars oh the only thing about this goes through is so he was a one off guy here that was pretty funny and memorable and then i correct me if i'm wrong but his next all kinds of things. No, just candy. $90. The only thing about Disco Stu is he was a one-off gag here that was pretty funny and memorable. Correct me if I'm wrong, but his next one-off gag

was in the twisted world of Marge Simpson where he's like the disco writers. And that was also an amazing one-off gag. These trends continue. That people still talk about today,

that gag. And I feel like that gave the characters some reason, gave the writers a reason to have that character stick around. Is that when his goldfish died in his shoes? Yes. So two really good jokes. Now, whenever I think

of bad charts, I think of like, this continues. Bitcoin prices continue. And then we get some great Skinner boringness Of him just haggling over a broken tie rack Or Marge breaks the tie rack So he'll buy it

It's a very good joke Now the ones in the back are Basically inaccessible It's a very good joke with an excellent callback Where he desperately buys the motor Again for his one tie that he owns He openly admits I only have one tie. And he can't wait even two seconds to start

haggling and going, anybody buy this? It's very funny. That's a very Monty Python type joke. I always thought that Skinner is, I guess he's indecisive, but also desperate. He's desperate for a tie rack. He wants it so bad. He's just a terrible negotiator all around. Yeah.

He does fall faster than Superman on laundry day. That's true. But Ned's doing a rather crappy job at being a barker of sorts, but Homer easily takes over. Much like he took over the cryer job. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That actually reminds me a lot of the cryer thing. Yeah.

Ned's doing like an NPR job at this. Now, folks, nothing spells fun like rhinestones on a dungaree jacket. Stew. You should buy that. Hey, disco stew doesn't advertise. Uh,

hey, Ned, let me help you with that. Hey, everybody, who thinks Flanders should shut up? So, anyone here from Evergreen Terrace? I think this is the best neighborhood in town.

Anybody agree with me? You're the king, Homer! King of the neighborhood! Say, did I atone for the 16th better than America? Is he right? Yes. God bless that guy. You can suck it to him in style.

Right here. The hate-filled Mo gets the T-shirt. Who is that guy that said yes? Felix. That does feel like a Felix comment. I like how carefully he says yes. It sounds like it's a yes question mark. What I love about this whole thing, and I forgot about it, is that Ned is basically attached to Homer as he's taking over.

He's strung along because he's using the built-in PA system. Homer never takes the speaker off of him. He just forces him to be like limply stand there. And, of course, Ned does that the longest. Even when the president shows up, he won't walk away. He is the last one to do it. I always liked that little device. I always thought that was nifty.

Like wanting some kind of – it's like strapped to Ned, right? Yeah. It's like on his belt or something. It's like wearable amplifier. For like church functions or something. Like calling bingo. I've never seen one of those. It seems like one of those many things that's like the Simpsons technologies

and the 90s episodes are like stuck in the 70s with mr microphone oh yeah yeah that device the rhinestone cowboy and the uh keyboard that wiggum plays in this as well it's all just like well these were made in 1973 pretty much so then we get the arrival of george bush i think i have a clip of that one too hi there neighbors uh I'm George Bush. Former President George Bush. Okay, let's give it up for the new guy. Now let's all turn around and pay attention to me again.

Hello? Hello? Hello? Hello? So Homer started out as if he was bored, and then he was saying, no, what are you talking about? This neighborhood's great, and now he just wants attention. Yeah, it's a weird portrayal of Homer. It's slightly off because it feels like he's the party animal everyone loves in the neighborhood. Usually he's hated or thought to be like a loser or weird.

A criminal who's on the run who will later destroy the town like five times over. Yeah, but in that moment, he was just so filled with love for Evergreen Terrace that everyone had to acknowledge it. I love his misfitting tuxedo he's wearing during that whole song and dance too and the umbrella hat. The umbrella hat.

It's all beautiful. And that when Bush arrives, like everybody abandons him. Like, Ned is the last. I love the animation. Like, Ned's feet are twitching like, I want to go over there. And he runs away with, like, the microphone throwing up sparks behind him. Yeah.

And the great gag of, like, nobody heard of. Everyone just forgot who George Bush was by 1996 in the town of Springfield. Is that a commentary on Springfield or on George H.W. Bush? I think it's both. He was a forgettable president. Well, that's why he's in here in such an apolitical fashion. Yes. Because he was a guy who was known for being kind of a nerd.

Yeah. Got beat, which is very rare, and it gives you a stink. It's such a huge risk to be elected president because if you don't get reelected, you just have loser stink on you. That's true. Jimmy Carter, same true. Carter. Same thing. He was not – Ford.

And the thing is it's very rare to be defeated if you're – you have a huge built-in advantage, which is why Trump is going to be president for eight years. People don't accept that. Don't say that. But like to lose is really – for him, it was an incredibly poorly timed small recession that was just at the right time to just completely own him. Well, I mean, how much do you chalk that up to Perot as well, like being – Well, there's been some work on that.

And there are actually a number of political scientists who say that Perot – if you'd been not on the ballot, Clinton still would have won. Yeah, Clinton still would have won. I mean that's – Perot, if anything, is taking more votes from Clinton because this is the anti-incumbent vote. Exactly. Maybe a lot of the people who voted for Perot would have just stayed home, but I would think that Bush negotiating NAFTA is something that sent

a lot of people in the arms of the Democrats. I think that was a big turnout thing. And then Bill Clinton signed it. And then Clinton went and signed it, right. But Perot was the... And got that little gnomeome on television and said, wow, Jobs leaving the Midwest because of free trade? And they're holding up the screwball thing in a Bluetooth cartoon next to his head? The one previous appearance of George H.W. Bush on the show was him not being allowed into Mr. Burns' party because no one termers. But he was a different caricature, much more grotesque in that episode

oh no there was one other in Mr. Lisa Goes to Washington where he signs a bill into law my bosses are going to be really happy about this your bosses? the American people no it was like all 250 million of them

250 million and again in that episode along with this one Barbara Bush is portrayed as a pleasant woman. Yeah. Pleasant and accommodating woman. Wrong. Yeah. She was one of the singularly most unpleasant women in political history in this country. Every story about every interaction I've ever heard with her has been negative.

Like, no one walked away from Barbara Bush saying, wow, what a great lady. She famously called Geraldine Ferraro a bitch. And then she tried to play it off as saying uh no it was witch and i want to say she said the same thing about hillary i think you're thinking of newt gingrich's mom uh through connie chung oh i am you're right i i called her runt uh yeah the barbara bush stuff in here and now i just associated with a different Simpsons thing Of like her and Jeb were Skinner And Agnes That's just what it was

We are like are we two years beyond Please Clap yet Have we reached that point I still love Please Clap This is an aside but we went past that Great Disco Stu callback Another callback in the first act Which in my opinion is a very tight first act.

And I'm just wondering if you did this today, you know, it's 2018, what would the disco stew subculture be? Would it be grunge stew? New metal stew maybe. A riot girl stew? Riot girl stew. Rap rock stew. I would write riot girl stew. If I had my druthers, I would make that character.

We'll be a woman. I assume that's funny. That's nothing added by making it a man. I could see a Limp Bizkit guy. Okay, so we come back and the closest thing to a political statement I think we get in this episode is in this clip, Lisa identifying

that she wouldn't vote for him. Stupid president. Why couldn't he just stay in his own state? Actually, this is one she wouldn't vote for him. Stupid president. Why couldn't he just stay in his own state? Actually, this is one of the nine states where Mr. Bush claims residency, Dad. I wouldn't have voted for him. But it's nice to have a celebrity in the neighborhood. Wait a minute. If Lisa didn't vote for him, and I didn't vote for him.

You didn't vote for anybody. I voted for Prowl to go back to the old glass bottle. After that, I became deeply cynical. I assume that was cut for syndication. Yes. I have no fucking idea what that's about. I can guess. I looked this up, and I could not find the commercial, but the shampoo Prel in the 70s switched from glass bottles to plastic bottles.

Anything in a glass bottle in a shower seems like a mistake. Yes. It's a mistake. And, of course, Homer wants it. Yes. I glass bottle in a shower seems like a mistake. And of course, Homer wants it. I demand glass in my shower. I used to use Prowl. It was just sold at my local bodega.

And that stuff just smells like poison. No, that's the hard stuff. Get your hair clean. Jerry Seinfeld said, I use Prowl, the hard stuff. Rips your hair right up by the roof. That does seem like a real bodega shampoo. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's just random brands.

Selsun? I always feel weird when I buy Mexican toothpaste. It's the same brands, but I wonder if the product is worse because they anticipated they're not selling it in the United States. Like the formula is different. You'll get some spider eggs. I love this calling back to Homer being like apolitical. He had previously said he finds voting a little fruity. But he did love Birch Barlow.

That was his one. Well, that was just a guy telling the truth. It's apolitical. It's like Gamergate, you know. Also, as a kid, I never got the, this is one of the eight states he claims residency gag. But he was born in Connecticut, family home in Kennebunkport, Maine, went to Texas. And I assume he was a resident of Virginia when he was head of the CIA. Probably a place in Florida.

I guess that did extend to W just being like, well, he did the full rebrand of just Texas. He got Mr. Texas. This is the only line of dialogue in the entire episode by Lisa of notes. It's like the famously political Lisa gets nothing political to say outside of I wouldn't vote for him. And that Homer would only ever vote on the stupidest thing. Well, he doesn't even know who people were president. He has to look that up. He would have been deeply invested in the Eminem color vote.

I like the idea. Probably would have made a terrible episode about him getting invested in the Eminem color vote. I like the idea of becoming cynical and alienated because of the Eminem vote. It's all politics, man. Or because I assume Prel didn't go through. It's just a popularity contest, man. It's been plastic since the 70s. It's all rigged.

Well, so this actually – my dad was a – or is. He's still with us. He was a big HW fan, which is odd to me now, I think. It's like who he – my dad's a Republican, sure. But who even likes him if you're a Republican? Yeah, no. He was immediately – as soon as he lost because he famously lied about raising taxes. And so Republicans were able to just disown him.

Yeah. Well, that's the thing is he was never a conservative and he was never a Reaganomics guy. He was the guy who called it voodoo economics. Yep. He was the guy. And I remember being party to my dad and my grandpa getting in a fight about this because my grandfather was an old-style Dixiecrat. And my dad was mad that he wouldn't vote for Bush. And then my grandfather was like, hey, he crashed a plane.

I did good in World War II. And he was throwing out all these things. And I look back on it, too. I was like, my dad tried to get him with racism. He's just like, well, but these Democrats have to like Jesse Jackson, huh? Huh? And my grandpa, he didn't bite. He did not bite on that.

But I, it's just, yeah, when we went, then right after that, like 2000, I went to Washington, DC on a family trip. And when my dad saw, like, it was some paintings of, it hw then clinton then w and my dad was like uh say the worst president sandwiched between two of the best i know it's very confusing your dad should be on twitter he just twitter stalks me okay bush last world war ii president last world war dole tried right dole would have been the last. Yeah.

Yeah. So we get the Flanders meeting the Bushes now, and they're remarkably similar and remarkably folksy. It just occurred to me we're never going to have a Vietnam president. We might still. I don't think so. I don't think we're going to get a Vietnam veteran president. It was even close in the high-level. People in those age brackets are not plausible nominees of any party.

Well, now after the old senile grandpa president, guys like Kerry think, oh, maybe I got a shot. You have to be, what, at least 70 to have participated in Vietnam? Something like that. Around that age. Yeah. Yeah. No, 60. 60.

Because that was like 40. It was a long time. It was a while. Yeah. The war ended like, what, 44 years ago, 45 years ago? Yeah. And you could have conceivably been 18 in the last year of the war. That's true.

So it is possible. I think we might get a Vietnam. Hey, what's Bob Dornan doing? So we do have the Flanders meeting the Bushes. Great delicious. Scrub-diddlerific. Fine and dandy like sour candy. Bar is a whiz with cold drinks, aren't you, Bar?

Don't understand lemonade myself. Not my forte. What brings you to Springfield? Well, George and I just wanted to be private citizens again. Go where nobody cared about politics. So we found the town with the lowest voter turnout in America. Just happy to be here among good, average people with no particular hopes or dreams.

But, Mr. President, we're not all good people. There's one little boy you should watch out for. He's a bad, bad little boy. Now, Todd, don't scare the president. Yeah, setting up Bush to be Justice Squares Flanders is a great idea. I like it. I like hearing Harry Shearer talk to himself in those scenes too. Though, yeah, he, behind the scenes, not a fan of this episode.

He did not think it was very good political commentary and satire. Who didn't? Shearer? Harry Shearer, yeah. He's a fire breather. He wants more shredding and roasting of that particular pig. Well, he's a grumpy, he's also a grumpy old dude. Yeah.

That's absolutely true. I've never seen him say anything positive about The Simpsons. As far as I can tell, he's a grumpy, he's also a grumpy old dude. Yeah. That's absolutely true. I've never seen him say anything positive about The Simpsons. As far as I can tell, he kind of hates the show. Yeah. And as for, I thought it was a recent thing

and then when we, like, for research in a season five episode, it was him doing an interview of like, you know, the last season got kind of bad

but it's getting a little back on track now writing wise. He posts online as Don Del Grande. Yeah, a good trivia question would be, well, a very hard one would be in 1992, what city, like let's say 100,000 people or more, had the lowest turnout? You'd have to give like multiple choice, I think. I'm feeling like a failure of research in this episode now. I was just looking up things about Dennis the Menace. But ask us about that.

We're covered. But I like Bart's like omen-like introduction in there and then who will then shift into Dennis the Menace after that, which I knew a shitload about Dennis the Menace just because I wasn't not going to watch television and they aired it all the time on Nickelodeon when I was a kid. Really? Yeah. They made a big deal in the early 90s that Nickelodeon got Dennis the Menace, which was just like a really bad acquisition, but it was better than Lassie. They replayed Lassie all the time. Yeah, a bad acquisition. Yeah, some Viacom exec saying, we got it. We got the Dennis the Menace account.

It's a classic. Everyone knows Dennis the Menace. I think it was always paired with Lassie to make one of them seem better. It's just like they're both wildly different. Yeah. I mean, Dennis the Menace, at least, like, there are technically jokes in there. And if you're a kid who wanted to see a funny prank, you'd get to see that. And we get to see the Bush family dog there, too, Mildred, running with the Bushes,

and who would die at age 12 a year after this episode, May 1997. They should have dedicated an episode to Billy. It's a beautiful photo of her at the end. Will they, when George Bush dies, will they dedicate an episode to him? No. I guess he didn't voice himself. Yeah, yeah. I don't know.

Actually, they might have a still of his caricature or whatever. I don't know. He's a war hero, people. We can't not acknowledge him. I'm fine with that because who cares? He's old news. Yeah, I agree. It's weird to just see him wheeled out at things now.

Oh, God. Yeah. It's like death. Yeah, I mean also – You can probably see death. It's probably just standing right in front of him. That's why he has this terrified expression on his face. You know what he looks like?

He looks like that Disney character from the Venture Brothers. Oh, yeah. Brisby. He's like that frozen rickness in a wheelchair. Come here, stupid copper field. He's not reaching for asses. He's trying to ward away death. Kill me.

Just kill me already. I remember one of the Republican primary things, they like make him stand up. They like pull him out of his chair to make him stand up. It's just like so humiliating. It's a real Dr. Strangelove moment. He should learn from – even though I would guess his mind is more there than Reagan, he probably should have just taken the Reagan stance of like no more. Don't – I'll send out one photograph every Christmas.

That's all you'll get of me. But we also get to see Homer's one time he was ever clever. Look at those phonies sucking up the bush. I guess you might say he's barking up the wrong bush. When you really care about someone, you shout it from the mountaintops. So on behalf of Desjardins Insurance, I'm standing 20,000 feet above sea level to tell our clients that we really care about you. Home and auto insurance personalized to your needs. Weird, I don't remember saying that part.

Visit Desjardins.com slash care and get insurance that's really big on care. Did I mention that we care? There it is, Homer. The cleverest thing you'll ever say and nobody heard it. Don't! Part of Homer's constant struggle with his own brain. That his brain could recognize it was clever as well. Then we get Bart meeting Bush and bush is having a good time

at the u.s world news uh saying that clinton is public enemy number one roasting the new guy i i didn't know roasting was like a term you would have used back yeah well roasts i mean like dean martin roasts i'm just used to it in the Twitter context. Roasted. Yeah. Finally roast. That had an August tradition of drunk celebs getting together and calling each other drunk. And I like to say that John Swartzwater probably wrote that into the show because he famously hated Clinton. He said, what, he'd be hanging from a tree by the end of the term? He wouldn't make it to the end of his first term. He'd be hanging. They'd be hanging him from a tree.

Like in the day of the rope? Maybe he was alt-right. The Simpsons definitely took their shots at Democrats in the series, too. I mean, they had jokes like, what was it? Did you know why you were getting money for doing absolutely nothing? I thought it's because the Democrats were in power again. We can't govern. Yeah, we can't govern.

We hate life and ourselves, which I agree with that. I would agree with that too. They also did the most brutal, brutal insults to Clinton. At the end of his term, of course, this is also when the show is starting to flag quality-wise. But, for example, they had a scene where he says to Marge when he's coming on to her, I've done it with pigs. Yeah. Real, no-fooling pigs.

That's not a joke. No. He's just saying he fucks pigs. He said he fucked pigs. That's the joke. Or the one where he reverses the decision in the band contest in favor of Lisa and says, you need to know that if you complain about something enough, someone will fix it. And Marge says, that's a pretty lousy lesson. And he says, hey, I'm a pretty lousy president.

And then the episode just ends. He just smiles at the camera. Way meaner than they ever were to W. Bush. Oh, for sure, yeah. Or H.W., really. We did one recently where it was headlined, fat, lecherous, hillbilly elected. Well, that is funny. Wait, no, that was a critic joke. joke oh was that a critic joke yeah yeah right because okay bush like shakes hands with jay

it's the lawrence of arabia right we actually just did all the critic which is why it's conflated in my mind oh yeah yeah that was uh yeah they he shook hands with jay and then it's like uh and he tells his consultant like now one little critic isn't going to hurt me and then that was you know the headline Bush loses in massive landslide. That's right after Jay gets rescued right. Boy we should really know these things Man we're getting owned on our own show here by these podcast experts

But so yeah Barbara Bush I guess she has to be friendly in this because she has to be Mrs. Wilson who sees no problems with Dennis the Menace, even though I would bet later in this episode, if Bart had thrown Locus into her house, she would not be so friendly at that point.

Might have been the turn. The wife on Dennis the Menace was very disloyal to her husband, I think, by refusing to take seriously the threat that the child posed to their safety and their sanity. She was cucking him to a degree, I would say.

Very much so. Just back your man up once in your fucking life. Don't undermine him in front of the neighbors every day of your life. By the way, the dad in Denison, Matt, is absolutely all right now. No question. Man, I do not even remember that guy. I just remember that there were two Mr. Wilsons. No, yeah, he just wanted to be left alone.

Oh, God, Mr. Wilson is one of those old guys trying to figure out how to do groiper memes. Getting their grandson in there, how do I make a meme? He's that conservative grandpa Twitter account, little summer Instagram account. Dennis, Dennis, you and I have had our differences over the years, but could you please teach me how to meet? I need to become

a citizen of Kekistan. How do I get on your Discord, your Minecraft Discord? Because you know that Dennis the Menace is Atomwaffen. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dennis the Menace is a, he's Jeff Tutorials today.

There's like a cottage industry of people filming like angry, insane elderly people screaming and ranting about stuff on YouTube. That sounds fun. And Mr. Wilson could be part of the movement with Dennis, I think. I think so. Yeah. So then we get the thing of them looking at the photographs together with Bush. That's where they bring up Mosbacher, who was the secretary of commerce who previously mentioned NAFTA deal.

That's him. And he does have a stupid name. I'm with Mark. Oh, yeah. who was the Secretary of Commerce who previously mentioned NAFTA deal. And he does have a stupid name. I'm with Bart. Oh, yeah. Who's that, George? That's me with Charlton Heston. Who's that, George? See, you wouldn't know him. That's Bob Mosbacher.

He was Secretary of— That's a dumb name. Who's that, George? Maybe he thinks Bart is a dumb name. How many times were you President George? Just once. Bar, is it time for dinner yet? I'm making rice. It'll be a

while. Rice should not take a while. Rice is 20 minutes. You know, in my day, little boys didn't call their elders by their first names. Yeah, well, welcome to the 20th century, George. No. He's so

impotent and with his rage. We missed before that it was the, hello Mr. Bush. So again, like, hello Mr. Wilson. If you were not forced to watch this on Nickelodeon in the late 80s, you probably missed all of this. Because it is really just from the TV show. And he was just, but Dennis never menaced many

people on that show. It was quite nice. Matt Groening famously hated it because when the show starts, the cartoon of this tornado tearing things apart, but Dennis is just a sweet boy who gets into misunderstandings. He's not, like, getting into serious trouble. As a kid, if a show had a cartoon opening, it felt like a lie to me. I was like, I was promised a cartoon. Now it's just Dobie Gillis doing regular stuff.

I never watched the Desimus movies or the cartoon and my local paper didn't have the strips but I was still familiar with it. The concept of an unruly child

through cultural osmosis and all I could point to was I believe it was a Mad TV skit called Dennis the Menace 2 Society. Oh, that sounds like

a classic Mad TV. No, that was a critic. I think it was both. It seems like it was both. That was a sign joke on the critic, but it could easily be a mad TV sketch. You know, he based Menace, the guy who wrote it, the guy who wrote this, the comic book, Hank Ketchum. He based him on his son.

In fact, the inspiration for it was his wife came in after he got into some shenanigans and said, your son is a menace. And he thought, Dennis? It was like that, according to him. But they ended up becoming estranged, and his son ended up having a very rough life. And they didn't talk once they grew up. Jeez. That explains a lot because usually those people have their children take over their comic once they become like 98 and can't hold a pen anymore. It's like I'm fucking done with you, Dad.

That's what you did to me. Well, it would be a menace. It would be funny if like once he retires, his son does take it over but changes the premise entirely to make Dennis the hero of the comic and Mr. Wilson. Child molester. You know, in England, there is a difference to Dennis the Menace. Our British listeners will be confused about this. The blonde Dennis the Menace in England, it was just a wholly, completely different comic strip, I think, made independently. Is that like in Viz magazine?

Dennis has got a bloody Hasbro on him. He's got an Hasbro. The local police, the constabulary, they've got a right on him. He's going back to the group home if he pulls another if he bloody takes anyone else's mobile. If he knocks over a single bloody dustbin. What is it, like

a Roger the Tosser? He's going around Tesco and he's knocking all the Cadburys off the shelf. I think it's him and his dog knocking over Cadburys. And that Rice thing, I think in general general you could read this as Barbara being shitty to George because she's mad about his many infidelities. That's true. He was a legendary coxswain, George H.W. Bush.

I hate thinking of that even. Yeah, but I mean earlier he didn't understand lemonade. I like to think he's just eating a bowl of white rice for dinner. Yeah, that's all they're having. That is one of my favorite lines in the episode. Bar is a whiz with cold drinks. Don't understand myself. Well, that fits too with the – definitely the general perception then was Bush was very out of touch.

Famously, he didn't know what a scanner was. Didn't know about the scanners. It's like what is this magic here? And he wasn't getting on Arsenio Hall playing saxophones. Nope. He didn't realize he was against the rock the vote generation. Another out of touch George Bush thing is he doesn't understand Krusty Burger. He wants to order stew.

Do we have that whole sequence? Oh, I think I didn't get that. No. Okay, because that includes my favorite – one of my favorite Simpsons jokes of all time, which is after the Secret Service – Hank. Hank, yes. After Hank goes out and disconnects Homer's horn and it won't beat anymore. He goes, hey, my tax is paid for that horn.

That's great. I really like in that scene where he says that cheeseburger is more of a weekend thing. Oh, I'm sorry, Ray. Oh, it's Ray, yeah. He's not willing to cut loose with cheese on a burger right now. I believe the Asian names were Ray and Rocco. One of them is definitely Ray.

That's the one I wrote down. Rusty Burger. That doesn't sound very appetizing. Also, Homer, though, this episode is in the pre-breakfast-all-day era of fast food. People don't have to live in those dark ages anymore. I also like that Bush says

go and see what the rhubarb's about. We never find out what's in the breakfast balls. I imagine it's every breakfast item wadded up. That is a weird thing. That was never like an actual McDonald's thing, was it? Not in my memory. That sounds terrible.

A breakfast bowl? What's less appetizing? This was pre-McGrittle. I think before that, the most unhealthy thing you could buy was like deep fried French toast sticks for breakfast. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's probably fried pancake batter with sausage or something. Yeah. They have this one.

Oh, yeah, that makes sense. They have this one, very unhealthy one. It's basically just an egg and sausage and cheese with some onions on a bagel. It's just greasy and terrible for you. I crave it sometimes. I have to have it, but it's like half your daily allowance of calories. I was a big breakfast biscuit fan in my childhood as a spoiled kid. But now I only get it when, like, if I'm going through the airport, I'm like, where's a McDonald's?

I'm sick of these healthy options. I just want to eat a McDonald's greasy sandwich and just feel something. You can't eat healthy at an airport. Certainly not. You need this. That's the thing. At San Francisco Airport, they're just like, no, we've got sushi bars and all this fancy stuff. I'm like, can't I just have McDonald's here, please?

I don't want to spend $40. How is the airport? We'll be flying out of there shortly. Oh, SFO? I mean, it's fancy. I don't know. It's OK. There's still like one power outlet per 1,000 people, though.

They did not upgrade that part of it. That is true. Yeah. It's a long walk. You're going to have a long walk through there. That walk through there that's what they don't have personal segues the hell kind of future is this out here you gotta pay extra for that i thought i was coming to the future there's nothing futuristic about this town uh so oh then we get a hint at the memoirs for my for my research bush sort of did memoirs he really half-assed it for my research

well that's why they're good memoirs. Not great. Clinton was the first one to have a big bestseller memoir. Yeah, Reagan did write memoirs. I wonder why. I thought it wasn't something that Ford sort of did, and then people just took out the one page about him pardoning Nixon and then put that in a newspaper.

They wanted to sue over it, right? I don't remember that. I do think that the first big post-presidential memoir where the president tried to use thousands of pages to justify their actions. Nixon, right? No, LBJ. It was called Vantage Point. Really? I thought LBJ died right after.

He did die shortly after. He died in 1973, but he got out before he died. Oh, I thought he died like a year after. No. I'm thinking of someone else. He had enough time. He let his hair get really long. He had a skullet.

And him and Doris Kearns Goodwin sat around and cranked out this really long, apparently very boring and very uninteresting and self-justifying memoir that nobody reads to this day. Well, the era of the gigantic advances started with My Life, I believe, which came at a great time. It was like 2003 when there was this whole tranche of liberal books. And we're excited to be a member of that tranche when our book comes out in 2018. If you want to resist Trump, there's no better way than going to your local bookseller and requesting a copy of Chapel Guide to Revolution,

A Manifesto Against Logic, Facts, and Reason or something like that. Well, now people write their autobiographies while they're running for president. They release them during their run. This is Obama who started that. He had Dreams of My Father and then he had Audacity of Hope.

And that really kind of created this model that they're all following, and most of them never get read. Andrew Cuomo famously wrote a book that was purchased something like by like 1,200 people nationwide. He got a million. And it wasn't very famous. He got a million plus advances. Well, you guys are New Yorkers. Andrew Cuomo, not Mario Cuomo? No, Andrew. Wow. Are you guys on the Synthion X-Men? Oh,, you guys are New Yorkers. Andrew Cuomo, not Mario Cuomo? No, Andrew.

Wow. Are you guys on the Cynthia Nixon? Oh, yeah. We are Cynthia bros all the way. We are Cynthia men. We are Cynthia men, and we are sick of the raging testosterone-fueled antics of the Chrome bros who are denying a female a right to the table just out of their toxic masculinity. They don't think a woman can be governor of the state of New York, and that's just pathetic. We think that she can and should.

His book, All the Best, a collection of memos and letters. Yeah, All the Best? That's the name of the H.W. Bush book, All the Best. That's what you write when you just don't know how to end an email to your professor. I think that's how he probably finished most of his letters in that book, All the Best. That's exactly why it's called that, because it is just like the greatest hits of his letters and diaries. It's not even like I sat down and I wrote a book.

It's like, here's my letter to Helmut Kohl or whatever. 720 pages. Fascinating. Punishing. He couldn't even call it like Thousand Points of Light or something. I mean, he had some good speeches. He should have long it was. Fascinating. Punishing. Punishing. He couldn't even call it like thousand points of light or something. I mean, he had some good speeches. He should have called it New World Order. Which he famously coined.

He should have gone on that. So, oh yeah, the name of the staffer who he had the long time affair with, that was Jennifer Fitzgerald. That was his aide. She was not alone, I don't think. No, no. He liked it every which way. God knows what he was doing

at Bohemian Grove. Times reported that, I believe, right after he won renomination against Pat Buchanan after that kiddie was in the bag. And there were people pushed back on it very, very hard. And everyone kind of forgot about it. Nobody ran with the

Times piece and Clinton didn't really talk about it. Yeah, I wonder why. Well, yeah. That's just so weird though. They could have said like you're talking about Jennifer Flowers. This guy, he's got his own Jennifer. Leave us alone. Well, yeah, and it also seemed like it didn't fit the narrative that Democrats wanted, which is that –

It's the economy, stupid. It's the economy and the perception that, oh, Bush is out of touch and he's a wimp. Yeah, if he's slaying poons, that's too relatable to Americans. No, he's just an old, fuddy-duddy president

who doesn't get it. He basically doesn't have a dick. They are emasculating him instead of emasculating him. Exactly. I get it, man. We do have a very pivotal scene with the memoirs

that kicks off the entire feud, so let's hear it. And since I'd achieved all my goals as president in one term, there was no need for a second. The end. Mmm, good memoirs. Good, not great. Now, let's look at that old outboard. Suit that baby up, rattle a few windows down the corridor next thing.

Oh, God. Hello, Mr. Bush. He's such a normie. He really is. What you doing? Don't upset the desk there. Careful, don't want to horse around with... Hey, cool, what does this do?

Now, don't you pull that cord, young man. He's got it. Oops, hey, cool, what does this do? Now don't you pull that cord, young man. No! Oops, hey. Bart, my motor's gone loco. Shut up. Oh, that bird howls. Yeah, my prized orchid. I really like this scene because the upward motor goes crazy.

It cuts away to this, like, you just see the silhouettes of the craziness. It stops. Bart kicks it. It starts again. It cuts back outside the garage. And then it stops again. And then. It stops. Bart kicks it. It starts again. It cuts back outside the garage. And then it stops again. And then a light bulb falls on it. And it starts again.

And that's when it goes after the memoir. So it stops like three times. Yeah, very fun sequence. Yeah, it's great. That upward motor knows it's in a comedy scene. Yes. It has to keep going. Bush reminds me of these older, you know uh upper crust never trump conservatives who just get

harassed on twitter all day and bart is is is a groiper or yes or like western civil defend western he's david french gamer guy bart is is is uh outright grimace you just won't leave him alone yeah i will say that a great character moment there is when he yells, oh, my prize orchids. Because the type of person who actually enters their orchids in some sort of horticultural contest, that is a true nerd. Is that sort of a reference to anything? No, it's an old-timey thing. These are my prize orchids. Mr. Wilson literally would have said that.

Yeah, they're trying that he would enter them in local contests. I think the Dennis the Menace movie was actually about Mr. Wilson entering something in a plant contest. Well, if you really want to know the plot of the Dennis the Menace movie. Yeah, obviously. Cocaine smugglers move in next door to Mr. Wilson. Christopher Lloyd, right? Mr. Wilson has a 100-year plant that's about to bloom, and it only will be out for like 12 seconds. And Dennis distracts him, and he can't see it.

And that's when he finally – Asshole. I know, right? He robbed an old man of his last dream. Yes. And then meanwhile, right after that, Dennis gets yelled at so hard by him that he runs away from home and falls in with Christopher Lloyd as a very creepy drifter-style criminal. They don't get too specific on it because it's a PG movie, but he seems like he's a murderous drifter. Yeah.

Who then has an eight-year-old hanging around with him. And then it basically just becomes Home Alone at that point that Dennis the Menace fucking with Christopher Lloyd. I only saw it once. I also want to have a quick fact check here. Dennis the Men is fucking with Christopher Lloyd. I only saw it once. I also want to have a quick fact check here. Dennis the Man's Two Society was a Mad TV skit.

It was a claymation. Oh, God. Okay. From the same people who did the Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer one? Yeah, I believe. Yes.

That was a good film. It was all violent. Yeah. Sex Toy Story. I remember that one. Oh, God. It was so good. God, what a great show.

What is your first draft thought in a title for a sketch? That is the Mad TV one. It was just all – there was no editing on that show, editing of ideas. It was all just first idea. That's great. Well, Patton Oswalt used to – he wrote on it in the early seasons, and he had a joke where he talked about how he was unhappy with the job. And he said, I'd rather be – he went on a vacation to Amsterdam, and he just says, I'm really glad I'm not here and I'm not in L.A. pitching sketches that I don't want to write.

Like what about Olive Garden or the Good Night of – or what about Good – Midnight in the – Midnight in the Olive Garden of Good and Evil. I think he – That's what every Mad TV sketch was. I think he jokingly pitched Gump Fiction and then had to write the entire sketch. I remember Gump Fiction was – that was their like – when they premiered, that sketch was their centerpiece. It's like this is what we're dealing with.

It's two movies that came out. What if they were the same movie? And what if there was a guy in Pulp Fiction who was Forrest Gump? What if? And that's as far as it goes. Yeah, Saturday Night Live wasn't going to go there. That was going to be the Fox difference. What if the gimp is Lieutenant Dan? I remember

having my mind blown. I thought this is the cleverest thing that's ever existed. Too smart for TV. We didn't talk about it, but how do we feel about the Harry Shearer's impression? I mean, this is existing in the same world as Dana Carvey, who took it to insanely cartoonish levels. I think this is a perfectly serviceable impression. I mean, this is existing in the same world as Dana Carvey, who took it to insanely cartoonish levels. I think this is a perfectly serviceable

impression. Yeah. It's really like he is a square wiener guy and really lame and very Flanders-y. And we could see it is almost like a Ned Flanders voice. Yeah, he captures a lot of the particular Bush cadences. Not my

forte. It's far away from the cartooniness of Dana Carvey, which particular Bush cadences, you know. Yep. Not my forte. Yeah. No, it's far away from the cartooniness of Dana Carvey, which that was also, I loved it as a kid, but it also just felt so weird every time. I felt like that was the beginning of the SNL guys hang out with the president they're making fun of. They at least do it once. Like he, I think he definitely did that once with that.

And then right after that, it was like fucking Farley with Newt Gingrich. Oh, they pal it once. I think he definitely did that once. And then right after that it was like Farley with Newt Gingrich. Oh, they palmed around. Farley was a conservative. Yeah, that's true. So we have the scene of Bart getting spanked. No, not the memoirs. Don't even think about it.

Not gonna happen. Whoa, man. Whoa, nothing. I'm gonna do something your daddy should have done a long time ago. Now go home and think about what you've done, young man. He spanked you? You? Bart Simpson? I begged him to stop, but he said it was for the good of the nation.

The gif of Bush spanking Bart was circulated a lot when Gropergate happened or whatever. I mean, this was back in December. That sort of just disappeared. I think they just stopped wheeling him around women. Well, he's an in December. That sort of just disappeared. I think they just stopped wheeling him around women. Well, he's an old man. Yeah. You get the old.

You put muffin or oven mitts on his hands, and then you're done. I feel like once you're just reduced to your lizard brain, you are just going off of basic instincts, like food and sex and sleep and, like, just stimulus. Yeah, I can't wait. You can steal things. It's going to fucking rip. Just smooth sand it down to your basement. Do you have the rest of that scene?

Because Grandpa's a funny one. No, I didn't get that. I'll do it for you, buddy. I was spanked by Grover Cleveland on two non-consecutive occasions. My favorite part of that is when he says, we don't spank this household. And Grandpa goes, that's why your no-good kids are running wild. And it's just Lisa reading a book. Yeah, silently. Although this conflicts with Homer's thoughts about spanking seasoning.

Yeah, he was hankering for spankering. Yeah, but Marge is the one who stops him. Yeah. And also that's probably more an aspirational stance than a reality because, after all, he does choke him on a semi-regular basis. True. You know, I'm surprised Homer, maybe Homer is jealous that Bush got to spank him when he's wanted to spank Bart all these years.

Well, that's where that Bart Simpson thing goes. Doesn't he know who you are? You don't get spanked. Yeah, well, the violation is that it's not just a stranger. It's a stranger that Homer dislikes. Yeah, and it's an infringement on his parental authority. Prerogative. I feel even in a regular, even in 96,

it would have been new, somebody threatening violence against a president locally. Though this is like pre-9-11, so they're not like immediately just extradition murder. This is rather preposterous, that Homer can get away with these pranks. And they just, they ripped this off for the film Welcome to Mooseport. Was that Gene Hackman's last movie?

But they settle their differences with an election. That's true. They don't use locusts. I forget in the movie the everyman is the mayor. It's the everyman mayor played by Raymond. No, he's not the mayor. Wait, doesn't he want to run? He decides to run against the president mayor

because he's like, I got to bring this guy down a peg. That's right. And he was the most popular ex-president ever and he had like a 90% approval. Impossible,

but they just, like it's the conceit of the movie that he's the most popular politician in America and he just, out of cussedness and annoyance with him,

especially because I think he's like scheming on the same woman that Ray Romano wants, he's like, I'll run. And then he turns it into a nationwide story, and then he wins. That's funny. I've never seen that film. Was the president a Republican or a Democrat? They never tell you. Was he modeled after anyone?

He seemed to be modeled after sort of an Eisenhower, I would say. His nickname was the Eagle. Oh, okay. There are three listeners right now pumping their fists and increasing their donations. Like, yes, I'm a real moose head. Where my moose head's at? So we do have the confrontation with Homer and Bush.

You want to step back, sir? You're trampling the flowers. Hiding behind your coons, eh, bush? Whoa! Well, you are a wimp! Wimp, am I? Agent Johnson, Agent Hite, humans stand down. Is it Hite? Hite.

All right, mister. Yes. You want trouble? You're going to get trouble. Oh, I want trouble, all right. Then you're going to get trouble. No, you're going to get trouble. Oh, that's good.

That's good, because I want trouble. Then we're agreed there'll be trouble. Oh, yeah. Lots of trouble. Trouble it is. For you. That's an easy battle to win. John Hines, I believe, was a senator from Pennsylvania.

Yeah, Teresa Hines' husband. Teresa Hines' original wife. Husband. And after that, she obviously had a thing for senators, so she married John. It's a very odd fetish. Wow. I completely forgot that she was married to two senators. And he was a Republican.

Whoa. Wow. I completely forgot that she was married to two senators. He was a Republican. Whoa. Yes. That's crazy. That's what I call bipartisanship. She swings both ways. That's the true centrism we need. As long as they're tall, craggy, lurch-like men. I'm sure John Hines was the same.

Well, so then we get – then the prank war begins in earnest. Like the Dennis and Menace stuff is half an act really. It's not even one act. And then the prank war begins and I would assume these rockets are meant as a desert storm reference there, right? Yeah, especially because they blow up in green light and it was all the night vision footage you'd see. Yeah, that's true. And I wish they had gotten it up as both of them. What did they call that, the bombing campaign? It was something Powell

said about, it's like overwhelming force. Well, that's the Powell doctrine. Powell, he says it's just air superiority. It's never engage in combat unless you have overwhelming force. Well, their doctrine was, you know, we're just going to have total air control of the airspace. We're going to take out all their anti-air installations and bomb their planes and then we can do what we want.

And boy, did they. Shock and awe. That was 2003. But I think the Gulf War was the first time live war footage was just entertainment. You would just tune in and watch bombs explode. You watched that green video of that thing going on the chimney. Well, that critic episode we mentioned before was

all about that. The guys calling in from the Baghdad office of CNN and just describing bombs to people and what they were seeing. I think, too, they called that the video game war, they called it back then. They had no clue what they were talking about.

And Jean Baudrillard famously wrote that it did not take place because it was fully an abstraction and a media thing. And so for people, it actually didn't ever happen. Did he write Wag the Dog or is that something? No. Based on a very different Larry Beinhart novel, which is actually explicitly about George W. Bush faking the Gulf War. That's what the book is based on. And then Mamet and Barry Levinson turn it into sort of a more general thing where it's a fake war with Albania or whatever. But the original text is about faking the Iraq War, the first one.

Yes. But, of course, you've got a clear Clinton corollary there where he gets busted groping a Girl Scout in the White House. They bring in De Niro at the last minute to fake a war to get it off the front pages. Right after it came out, Clinton bombed the pharmaceutical plant. Yes. And they showed Wag the Dog on Iraqi state television during Operation Desert Fox. Wow.

A bombing of Iraq. Man, that was like the – is that similar to how they aired that anti-Iraq war Madonna video? I remember hearing that at the time. In the lead up to 2003, Madonna made a video of like, don't do this. And then they just aired it on television in Iraq just as – That seems like the least useful audience for that possible on earth. Like, lady, you sold me. How am I supposed to stop this from happening again? I like when the end is near for someone like Hussein.

His last-ditch effort is to become one of the resistance Harry Potter liberals and just say, culture will save us, listen to this Conor Ober song. So then Bush is going to get his revenge

in the, well, the name of this episode scene. Why don't you just say you're sorry, George? Because I'm right. Oh, no. I'm going to fix their wagon good.

I pulled some pranks in my time. I don't understand. Are you saying you and Barbara are bad neighbors? No, that's not Bar and me. It's them. Who? Mon and me? No, the man and his boy.

You know, the boy's name Bart. I don't know the name of the man. Bart? What's the name of the man? his boy. You know, the boy's name, Bart. I don't know the name of the man. Bart, what's the name of the man? I'm not getting involved, George. Look, just never mind. I thought the banner was pretty straightforward, but I'll just take it down. He's so defeated. He doesn't sound like a wimp here.

He's got a lot of resolve, actually. Well, it's because he got called a wimp. Because I don't know if you guys know this, but that was an actual thing that happened. It was the wimp factor. There was a Newsweek cover story in 88 called The Wimp Factor. And it was, can people trust a guy who is considered by everyone to be a blue-blooded soft boy in George W. Bush to be president? Soy president. It ended up not mattering because he ran against hunk of masculinity, Michael Dukakis.

Before the Dukakis Snoopy tank picture, there was also a picture of Bush where he looked like – I can't remember what he was in though. He was wearing a French maid costume. It was comparable. He was wearing an Easter bunny. It was comparable to that Jared Kushner in Iraq photo. But I think several people at the Pine pointed out that as soon as that happened, that it doomed thousands of people to death. Because you see that when you're president.

You're like, okay, who are we bombing? And he did. He bombed a lot of people in his four years in office. And he told everybody that that's – who's a fucking wimp? The guy who barbecued thousands of retreating soldiers at the Highway of Death. That's the fucking wimp you're talking about. I do like the old man cadence he has, the phrase, the name of the man. I don't know the name of the man, Barr.

What's the name of the man. Bar? What's the name of the man? And that he spray painted his own house like the people who say that Black Lives Matter spray painted anti-white graffiti on them. It's all a bad plan. He made a sign. He made the sign. And two bad neighbors, just such a great pronunciation, like an old man pronunciation. Like, these are two bad neighbors. That's what they are. And then we get, we didn't know who George Bush Jr. was then.

Oh, God. I was happily. What a blissful. And, of course, he's not a junior because he has a different middle name. Yeah, it's just Walker. It's just Walker. No age. So he is not a junior technically.

What was he doing in 1996 in February? He would have been the governor of Texas. Yes, he won in 1994. Yes, beat Ann Richards. And Jeb lost in 1990. And that's why Jeb wasn't president. It literally was. They were both going to run. He lost to Lawton Childs in Florida in 92, I believe.

And so that put him off of the track. If he had won that race, he would have been the one grooming and then had run in 2000. It would have been Jeb. That's a total sliding doors universe. It's interesting. So George, this was the second race he famously ran for a congressional seat in the 70s where he was called

a fancy pants, Yaley soy boy and he resolved to never be out cowboyed again. But Jeb had not learned that lesson by then. He ran against Lawton Childs, I believe, who was an older man. And Jeb tried to make hay about his age, which obviously didn't play well in state football. So he lost that, but then he came back in, I believe, 98 and won. Yeah, he was my governor.

Just in time to fix the 2000 election, but not enough time to make up for the fact that the presidency he enabled was so catastrophically bad for his family name that he basically was doomed. He'll never get it. Henry was there in Florida when it was all happening. My first election I voted in when I turned 18, voted in the 2000 election in Florida. Yes, yeah. Those butterfly brackets were just hard to follow. I did vote for Gore. And I was the 2000-era bad liberal who yelled at my friends like, Nader, why did you do

that? I voted for Nader. I voted for Nader. Ha ha. I know. Well, you guys, those weren't Florida Nader votes. That's true. Although I was living in Wisconsin, which if Florida had gone smoothly, if they counted the votes and it would have been a relatively robust margin, Wisconsin would have gotten the recount because it was a 500-vote margin for John Kerry in Wisconsin.

Whoa. I was in Ohio. They had to go for Bush, right, in 2000? Yeah. Yes. Well, what is it, the thing they say, like if a Republican can't be president without Ohio, right? It's never happened. It's the state they say, like if a Republican can't be president without Ohio? It's never happened. It's the state they care about every four years.

There's never been a Republican elected who didn't win Ohio. Well, and then, yeah, now I just love Jeb as a joke, though. I wish, man, I. When you really care about someone, you shout it from the mountaintops. So on behalf of Desjardins insurance I'm standing 20,000 feet above sea level to tell our clients that we really care about you home and auto insurance personalized to your needs weird I don't remember saying that part visit Desjardins.com slash care and get insurance that's really big on care. Did I mention that we care?

I wish the first time I wasn't laughing at Trump was that of like, oh yeah, he's owning Jeb. Like he's destroying this loser. I guess part of the brighter side of the Trump campaign was seeing him just make fun of Marco Rubio and Jeb Bush. Just pants off. But those laughs came from me with the intrinsic belief of like,

he's definitely not going to be the nominee, so I can laugh at this now. Like, ah, very funny. Ah, yes. Simpler times. But yes, here's Homer's revenge for the terrible too-bad-neighbors sign. Who is it?

It's your sons, George Bush Jr. and Jeb Bush. Come outside, Dad. Oh, good. Bar, the boys around out in the front yard. They'll help me think of a plan to get those sentenced. Oh, George, is that all you ever think about? The boys probably just want a litter of recommendation. Boys, where are you going?

Okay, son, give him the glue. Hey, looking good, son. And that's why I will continue to oppose teen alcoholism in all its forms. Teen alcoholism is the issue. Every form. Now, are there any questions? Keeping in mind that I already explained about my hair. Oh, yeah. Simpsons.

That would have been funnier if the two brothers coming to the door were Neil and Marvin. If I recall. They really could have used the fucking. They could have used the recommendation. If I recall correctly, the writers did not know about George W. Bush. And that's why they just say George Bush. They just guessed that. Oh, wow.

Oh, really? Okay, yeah. But I guess they knew about Jeb, which doesn't make sense. I read that somewhere. Jeb's a memorable name. I mean, it's not a real name. Jeb is a memorable name. It's not a real name.

Yeah. So that – which doesn't make a lot of sense to me because George Bush was in office at this time and Jeb was just a guy. He was just a failed candidate. But he had a more memorable name. Yeah. Well, he's governor in Texas like those L.A. comedy writers. Out of touch Harvard elites too. That's true, yeah.

No, it is a very Harvard show. But the rainbow wig gluing thing, that's a pretty good prank. It's a very inventive prank to do to him. Though he could have colored over it. There were many things he could have done, but he just cut it down somewhat. Well, he had to condemn teen alcoholism in all of its forms. Well, that Elks Club paid him a lot of money for that speech. How much money could an Elks Club really get to pay a president?

They can't have that much. I think this is the good old days when presidents were just rich bluebloods. They didn't have to make a ton of money after office by selling their speeches for huge money. Really? Yeah. He was old money. He didn't need those. Nixon needed the money.

Nixon was broke as hell. I'm going to go and talk to these shitty old ladies. That's why – well, that's why how Frost Nixon came about. It's the only reason he agreed to do that even though it was a terrible decision on his part. Well, I mean he was kind of done for. Yeah, that's true. Just get that money. His pranks have gotten much more cruder now and he's now just spinning donuts on the Simpsons lawn.

I like Marge's – One of my favorite, favorite just cutaway gags or I guess it's not a cutaway, just visual gag. Yeah, just like a smash cut to him just spinning donuts on the Simpsons lawn. I like Marge's... One of my favorite, favorite just cutaway gags. Or I guess it's not a cutaway, just visual gags. Yeah, just like a smash cut to him just spinning donuts. I like Marge's positive interpretation. Maybe he's lost. Like, I think he's lost. He's not lost.

He's not lost. I love that. Yeah, and then they must have those locusts ready for it. I think it's probably like the little bastard monthly loot box or whatever that gets in the mail. Simpsons writers, if you're listening to it on here, do a loot box. No, that was depressing.

That's the kind of joke they do on Simpsons now. They have to pay us for it. They just did a retconning of continuity episode just now of taking place when Bart was a kid and they were in the apartments. They were living together in the apartment episode. Well, Bart was born in

2007, as we all know. Yes. From continuity. So that's what, during the heady Obama years? I guess so. Right before that, yeah. Well, they did that 90s show where they just exist in the 90s. So wait, what are the cultural signifiers for this one?

I will admit I am shitting on it without having watched it. All right, well, we're going to have to assume it's bad. We're going to have to

watch this later, Matt. Please forgive our ignorance. But yes, I guess the final plot is to release Locus in the bush house via the sewers. As they learn

in the Prankster's Bible. Yes. The Bible, a.k.a. the Prankster's Bible. You can't decide if this will be considered feisty or crazy. Hey, what the...

Oh, if he thinks George Bush will stay out of the sewer, he done know George Bush. Done know. Ask Lee Atwater. Hey, turkey's behind ya. For the last time, Bush, apologize for spanking my boy. Never. You make him apologize for destroying my memoirs.

You didn't tell me you destroyed his memoirs. Never! Die! Is him saying that George Bush wouldn't go to the sewer, I wonder if that's like a Willie Horton reference. Yeah, Lee Atwater all the way. Well, I mean, that Willie Horton ad for listeners, it's one of the most racist things ever in campaign. It was some spicy gumbo.

Oh, yeah. Sideshow Bob Roberts Perry did it. Yeah, like the conveyor – sorry, the escalator. Of course, revolving door prison. Even let out attempted murderer. Sideshow Bob. And this is also when, as a kid, it flew over my head that he had CIA training. I didn't know that about him.

He didn't have CIA training. He was CIA director. I bet he probably could not do – he didn't actually have anything close to training. It's actually kind of interesting because at the time it was considered to poison Chalice because this is in the aftermath of the Rockefeller Commission and all the investigations of what the CIA had done in the 60s and 70s in terms of assassinations and whatnot. And so it was thought anybody who became CIA director was going to be poisoned politically from that point on because you just are too associated with bad acts and anti-democratic activities. But it worked for him.

People don't seem to care as much now, though. I guess you don't see too many candidates who came out of the CIA. Well, now we're in an insane thing where being in the CIA, being a member of the intelligence industry, or the intelligence community, as they call it, is a huge advantage for Democrats. Apparently there's a huge surge in former covert operatives running as Democrats in 2018 saying, how dare you, sir?

And now it's coded as the evil deep state. So now conservatives hate the CIA and liberals love it. It's amazing. Great. We're going to run deep state candidates. That's going to be very popular right now. Well, it's all saying we're not wimps. We stick up for the system. We like the FBI too. Is that how it works?

Love the FBI too. We're strong. Mueller's going to free us all, man. He could be fired by the time this episode is over. Guys, guys, guys. Virgil, guess what time it is. Virgil, guess what time it is. It's Miller time. It's Miller time. So I love the fight. The fight is animated beautifully of just that. Though Homer, look, Homer's not in great shape, but he could beat up a 70-year-old. Yeah, he's old. I mean, he's very old. Homer couldn't run up a wall.

That's great. The run up the wall and his splat down. Well, Bush for a while had a good constitution. He would famously skydive on his birthday. Yeah, that's right. I remember he did the big skydive for his birthday one year, and I was at home, and so Fox News was on TV with my – thanks to my dad. But it was his skydive, but apparently they made him do it with a co-another guy. And so it was – this thing was supposed to be how

like virile he is and still not old. It's like he is has a man strapped to his back the entire time. Basically cargo or like a backpack shaped like an old man. And then Marge and Barbara sit down together which is definitely a reference to their history

together as her hating on Marge Simpson. Yeah, let's hear it. I really feel awful about your law, Marge. George can be so stubborn when he thinks he's right. My Homer, too. There's so much I like. Too bad they got off on the wrong foot.

It's just like the Noriega thing. Now he and George are the best of friends. It's actually the opposite of that relationship. Here's a little something we learned in CIA. His nice little death watch. So he's going to kill Homer. His relationship, the Bush-Noriega relationship, parodied once on Saturday Night Live of all places,

was that they were friends first because Noriega was a CIA operative who monitored rebel movements in Central America for the CIA, also sold drugs and was a transshipment point for drug sales with the knowledge of the CIA before they turned on him. They needed him to a point, but then he got a little too leftist, I guess. Well, he was just a guy they could squash. Remember, it was before they had the gift of the Kuwait invasion to do a big military adventure. So, hey, there's this drug-dealing Central American dictator who we used to do business with, but now we don't need him anymore. Because that was around the time that the Sandinistas gave up, basically. We'll submit to elections in which they lost because the U.S. basically blackmailed them and said, hey, people of Nicaragua, if you want us to stop mining your harbors and sending death squads and terrorists to kill you, vote against these guys. And they lost.

But they gave up power willingly and it kind of ended a lot of the raison d'etre for the stuff they were doing in Central America. And then there is fucking Noriega. We can just take him out. So remember, America is the fakest friends. We absolutely are fake friends. 100%. And haters. All those South Vietnamese dictators

that we just used up like cum tissues. That's true. It's weird that all of our enemies used to be our friends. It's pretty odd, huh? Though I guess in 96 when Noriega was still on his way to dying in prison, I suppose. He didn't die in prison. Did he not?

Wait, I thought he came back. Oh, I'm thinking of someone else. I read an interview for this episode of like he was in prison in 1995. Someone interviewed him in 1995. He's got to be dead now. He's definitely dead now. Noriega, no. I thought Noriega was still alive.

He got out of prison and he went back and he's a politician there. But I might be confusing. What are you thinking of someone else? I am. Noreen, I think, is still in prison. Oh, God. Or he died in prison. Let's wiki this live.

He is dead. He died in May of 2017. Oh, wow. From brain surgery. Rest in power. So then Bart throws the locust at him and there's a weird bit of animation of like when Bart says get him boys like it's like is he supposed to be doing a wink like I don't know what it's a sassy wink to his locusts like maybe get him boys and the locusts they are loyal to Bart they only attack

Bush you would think loosing a box of locusts in an enclosed space like the sewer would attack all of them or they just fly everywhere. Yeah, exactly. That'd be the end of it. But instead they'd just be Devil George Bush. I do like, we skipped over, I do like how Homer considers God's curses to be pranks on people. Yes, yeah. One of the many pranks of God.

But also, I really love Mikhail Gorbachev just being quietly disappointed in Bush in this scene. We are going with with local off. I'll ruin you like a Japanese banquet. I'll take your head and... Gorbachev, what are you doing here? I just dropped by with present for warming up house. Instead, find you grappling with local off. Oh, brought some of your commie friends to help you fight dirty

make highly put a wig on my head my memoir is george this is the last straw you apologize to homer right now but bar we can't show any weakness in front of the russians george yes dear no it's not no not John like this okay I'm sorry I

spanked your boy Homer woohoo in your face Bush now apologize for the tax hike so a lot of

a lot of Bush lore in there so Rooney like a Japanese banquet that's when he threw up on the prime minister

he did yes was that broccoli related or the broccoli was a different thing yeah that was just the thing he didn't like but it was like sushi he was sick he was just under the weather and enforcing himself to have that banquet again that's another thing making him look weak definitely throwing up on the prime minister of japan but the tax hike thing was a big deal oh yeah that's all it was was a big deal. Oh, yeah. It was such a big deal that they made a joke about it on Tiny Toons, which they could count on 10-year-olds knowing, read my lips, no new taxes.

Yeah, well, that's why you don't say something like, read my lips, no new taxes. You don't say absolutes like that. That was like one of the Mad Magazine fold-ins I had for one of the first Mads I bought. It was like you folded it. You would see what the lips actually said once you folded it in. He had to say that, though, because conservatives didn't like him.

They believed – they thought he would just abandon Reaganomics when he got into office. And they assumed he was just like a Rockefeller-type Republican who would raise taxes. And that anti-tax movement was a relatively recent thing that, if I recall correctly, emerged out of the 70s, probably Southern California, I assume, where all the toxic ideas come from. It really was. No, suburban reactionary culture was birthed in the bedroom communities of Orange County.

And they passed that. The Jarvis Prop 13. Yeah, Prop 13. And they passed like a The Jarvis Prop 13. Yeah, Prop 13. And they passed like a balanced budget amendments in state houses throughout the country. And they sent Reagan to the fucking White House. And that's really the thing. You know, I think the reason why there's no satirical edge here is that nobody hates Bush. George H.W. Bush.

He was irrelevant. In 1995 or 6, if you're a liberal, you hate Bob Dole, you hate Newt Gingrich, and you hate Ronald Reagan. And maybe you're still talking about Nixon, but he's obviously old news. Bush is just like has been. He's an appendix. It's the Reagan-Bush years. Yeah, that's true. He's lucky if they say Reagan Bush here. When the Sideshow Bob Roberts episode, they do a gag of that of Sideshow Bob calling into Birch Barlow like, some people see that Republicans aren't Johnny Bible thumpers or, God forbid, George Bushes. I was looking up information on this, and I saw that George Bush was honored in 2014 for the tax hike, for sticking to his principles.

I was like – I had to read through it to make sure it was not an Andy Borowitz call. I'm like, this is not funny, but it's also like 2% removed from reality. So it must be Andy Borowitz, but it wasn't. Well, there was a time when conservative orthodoxy on money and on taxes was that you could not – it was worse to have a deficit than it was to have high taxes. So if you need to raise taxes to cover deficits, you do it. Now they have – Reagan started it but now they have all absorbed the orthodoxy. Deficits have no bearing whatsoever except when democrats are in office and then you

criticize them for spending too much. But I heard the New York Times told me in an opinion page that Paul Ryan is a deficit hog. Is this not true? Does he not believe in that? Limbaugh is another one you would hate in that period. And he was a way more consequential person than George H.W. Bush. Yeah, he was a loser.

He's Mitt Romney, basically. Buchanan and Limbaugh and to a lesser extent Gingrich, they forged the path to what became Trump. And George H.W. Bush was an aberration really. It's the last gasp of the eastern establishment. Yeah.

Well, that makes it even weirder that the W administration was like the – like his staff was so many H.W. folks like Cheney and others. Rumsfeld. Rumsfeld, right? Rumsfeld was in the Ford cabinet. Okay. But Cheney, Powell. Oh, yeah. Brett Scowcroft.

But those guys didn't really get the chance to let their hair loose until his son was in the White House. Yeah. Anyway, so they leave town. They get – the Bushes give up. They can't stand it anymore. I love... My favorite shot... I love Homer punching Bush in the face. That's a great little still. It's so quick, though.

I feel like they were afraid of, like, we can't stay on this too long of Homer punching the president. It's not illegal. He's not the king of Thailand. That's true. That's majesty. And then we get the last gag here, which I, until he passed away in 2006,

I like to imagine that Gerald Ford lived in Springfield. Me too. Hi. Pleased to meet you. I just moved in. My name is Jerry Ford. Huh! Former President Gerald Ford?

Put it there. I'm Homer Simpson. Say, Homer, do you like football? Do I ever. Do you like nachos? Yes, Mr. Ford. Well, why don't you come over and watch the game and we'll have nachos and then some beer. Jerry, I think you and I are going to get along. Just don't!

He is drawn to look like Homer, but he kind of already did. And he's also voiced as Dan Kastner. I'm doing kind of like a sleepier, older Homer. Do you like nachos? I love Homer's just enthusiasm. Like, yes, Mr. President. He immediately knows who Gerald Ford is. He didn't know who Bush was until looking it up in the encyclopedia.

But he's like, President Ford. He just loves President Ford. Ford's just another one of those guys that nobody really hates except for one thing. That's because you hate another person more. I mean, I bet some people. Well, yeah, it was still just related to Nixon. Like people hated him for pardoning Nixon for sure. But they'll also like, yeah, H.W. was, he was in charge of, that was another thing he

did. He was in charge of the Republican Party during the impeachment process. RNC chairman, yes. Yeah, Jesus. He was everywhere, that guy. Actually, I would say conservatives actually probably hate Ford more than liberals because they believe he lost Vietnam. Well, he was also just a dopey joke.

Like this Ford here is Chevy Chase's SNL Ford a little bit. Yeah, I mean, as a kid, I only knew him from SNL reruns. He fell down a lot. I was shocked to see that he didn't look like Chevy Chase when I finally saw Gerald Forderald ford in pitch in person they didn't really care but uh yeah that was too bad neighbors we didn't ask matt and uh virgil like what is your relationship with the simpsons i hear the references along your podcast like how important was it to you even like in terms of forming a political beliefs or like beliefs about the world well it is really the foundational text for a lot of my views on everything. I mean, it is the way that people in previous eras would have looked to Greek myth or Bible

stories or Roman history or Shakespeare. I feel like the modern equivalent is The Simpsons. Just your cultural lodestone and reference point. Oh, it obviously informed a lot of my comic views, and it taught me a lot. You know, it's if you watch this as a kid, you learn a lot because there's just so many references, often to very underground or arcane things scattered throughout every episode. And I like that they don't sit down and hold your hand through it and explain, have to explain a joke to you.

No, they just make it and move on. You've got two seconds to contemplate it for another joke. They don't explain things like Grover Cleveland had two non-consecutive presidential terms. They just give you enough of a reference that if you're smart, you get it. Yeah, and I don't even have to get it because as a kid, after I watched that, I'm like, oh, okay, Grover Cleveland, two non-consecutive terms. Yeah, and I don't even have to get it because as a kid, after I watched that, I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, Grover Cleveland, two nonconceptual terms. I just know I have this piece of knowledge.

Did you guys fall off? Like I hear seasons 9, 10, that's usually the fall off for folks. It's a regular viewer. Yeah, I tried to hold on for a bit, and I kind of gave up the ghost around season 12. It was just, oh, these are just not getting any better. It really was like watching a beloved grandparent descend into dementia. I have to look at the numbers, but for some reason I'm thinking 10,

and it was whichever season had the Max Power episode and the Trucker episode, and I remember even though the Trucker one was John Schwartz, I remember just not liking that very much not enjoying the revelation in it and thinking that was kind of stupid well how did you feel about the Kid Rock episode? oh man, you know

I would say that was an early low point for me that really kind of told me this is just a bad scene yeah, yeah, I did not enjoy it. I'd have to go back and watch it. Maybe there were one or two funny gags in it. But I think maybe – what was the season nine finale?

Was that the – Season nine was Natural Born Kissers. Oh, okay. When was the Lard episode? That was the – That's Lard of the day in season 10 opener. Yeah, it was like – Season 10 opener. So season 10 was the one with the max power and all that.

Yeah, and the trucker episode. Yeah, I would say season 10. Yeah, that's when it really goes. Yeah, season 10 is when I noticed, hey, this is just not as good anymore. And I think I stopped watching right after that. The horse and the jockeys. Oh, yes, yeah. Who are all magical elves.

It's like I don't even know what your comic perspective is here. What are you trying to tell me? I think, well, I think they're telling you that we're sick of writing this and that we don't want to do this. And you're a comic book guy and you suck. You're the fan. If you don't like this, you're a comic book guy and you suck. I mean, I would prefer that Magical Jockeys episode

to a recent one they did about seriously SJWs on campuses. Oh, I gotta see this. Is that the one where Lisa befriends a Republican? No, this is the one where – so it's about Yale. Burns goes back to his alma mater, Yale. Oh, God. I'm loving this already.

He is shocked to find out that it's full of a bunch of overly sensitive PC students who are more akin to robots than thinking free thought folks. Oh, when was the Trash episode? Trash the Titans. I think it was – Season 9. I think so. Yeah, when was the Trash episode? Trash the Titans? I think it was. I think so. Was it 9? Okay, yeah, 9 was like the last hurrah. So 200, yeah.

Yeah. Okay, so briefly, I know we've gone pretty long here, but we had a funny story. When we were in LA, we had the opportunity to go to a Simpsons table read. Whoa! And it was very, very cool. That's awesome. I saw your tweets. Yeah, the performers were there.

The voice actors were there. Almost all of them were there. Wait, was Harry Shearer there? No. No. He called in, right? No, he didn't. Oh, you're right.

Hank Azaria called in. Azaria called in. Yeah, yeah. But Cassel and Yardley Smith and Julie Kavener were there. It was just a very weird experience hearing Lisa and seeing Yearly Smith. And though I have to say, Yearly Smith, I think she's the only one who's been pretty much consistent the entire time. Everyone's voices kind of changed a little bit over the years. Homer got a little goofier.

Marge is croakier now. Yeah, they all sound, they're all, I mean, Skinner sounds real old now. Yeah, I mean, Mr. Burns now sounds like an authentic old man instead of, you know, a 45-year-old man playing an old man. What surprised me was Matt Groening was there. And I thought he was like an absentee landlord just cashing checks with us. He was there. He talked to Amber briefly, apparently. I didn't want to bug him.

I mean, I guess they're all here to work. There's a contractual requirement, so I didn't want to make a faux pas, like bug him for a photo or something. That would have been fun. We actually just podcasted with Dana Gould, and he told us, like, Mac Groening is there almost every day, still, like, watching over the show, doing stuff for the show. Still convinced that it's as good as it ever was. Why? Because he had assholes in the Usenet telling him that classic episodes were terrible. So why should he care what current fans say? That's why we never listen to our fans.

They don't know what they want. Don't do it. Don't do it. He's got a new show coming on anyway, so he'll be off the substance. Yeah, Bill Oakley, I believe, is working on that. Disenchantment. We were – maybe that's good. I don't know.

I don't know. It's an interesting idea. We'll see. It just sounds like – it sounds like Futurama but for fantasy. Yeah, which is fine. That's not a bad premise. We were invited, by the way, briefly by Tom Gamble.

Tom Gamble. And he wasn't there. He got sick. So I got stuck with Max Pross. Loser. Was he a listener? Is Tom Gamble like a fan? He was... This goes into a longer story. Long and short of it is our manager put me and Felix in touch

with him about an unrelated project. And he was just a nice guy. And we had the opportunity. He was in New York, just happened to be in New York at the time. And so we met him in Grand Central, just talked to him for a while. Just the nicest guy. And, oh, this is funny. While we were talking and we're just in like the basement of Grand Central, which is a big food area, this old man sitting next to us turned out to be the guy,

the creator of Zippy the Pinhead. Wow. Out of all that is very good. And I told him, this is like being in a Learn to Draw episode. That's amazing. So thank you, Matt and Virgil, for being with us for so long. We went long, but this was a lot of fun. Yeah, thanks for having us.

Please plug everything you do. We're big fans of your podcast. I am going to was a lot of fun. Yeah, thanks for having us. Please plug everything you do. Like, we're big fans of your podcast. I am going to pre-order your book tonight. I already have it on Amazon pre-ordered, so I beat you to that.

I'm a bigger fan. Well, buy the book. The book's going to be phenomenal. It's going to be gangbusters, folks. That is the Japo Guide to Revolution. You can get it on Amazon, Powell's, Barnes & Noble,

pretty much anywhere that does pre-sales. And hopefully at your local independent bookstore. We solicited a list of independent bookstores and we got a hell of a lot of responses. So hopefully they'll be selling them there. But you know what? The best advice is don't delay.

You should try Revolution Books in Berkeley. I think like try to shut it down or set it on fire or something. They keep showing up there. They're going to be at every one of Bob Avakian's bookstores. So look for that. I'd say I'm a big fan

of Chapo, especially lately I cannot stop doing the Jordan Peterson voice. We've been doing that a lot back and forth to each other. You're young men

seeking to become heroic dragon slayers. We got to get him next. Individualism. Let me tell you about when The Simpsons starts to become heroic dragon slayer. We gotta get him next. Individualism. Let me tell you about when the Simpsons starts to become SJW propaganda. Where can we find you guys on Twitter, too?

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I like it as an adult more than as a kid. That was our reception too. So we'll see you then. Wow. Infotainment.