Tangle - A breakdown of the Republican National Convention.

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Starting point is 00:02:10 which would have been a little bit more timely, but you know, the Biden news bomb dropped, so didn't happen. Before we jump into that, though, I want to give you a quick heads up on a couple things. First of all, yesterday on the YouTube channel, I summarized my 24 thoughts on Biden dropping out of the race on our YouTube channel, Tangle News on YouTube. So you can go watch that if you'd like. Number two, this Friday, we're going to do a deep dive on Kamala Harris. We're going to dive into how she got into politics, her childhood and upbringing, how she rose to become vice president, how her presidency could look different from President Biden's. And then we're going to share some takes from her supporters and her detractors, and then I'll give my take on her candidacy. If you have questions about Kamala Harris, you should write to us, staff at readtangle.com.

Starting point is 00:02:57 Fire off some questions, what you want to know about her, and we're going to answer them in the Friday edition that is coming up this week. As always, Friday editions of our newsletter are for paying subscribers only, so you have to become a member to read the full thing, but we think this is a worthwhile piece and will be super worth it. So I want to throw that out there, let you know. And without further ado, I'm going to pass it over to John for the introduction to our podcast, and I'll be back for my take and your questions answered. Thanks, Isaac, and welcome, everybody. Here are your quick hits for today. First up, Vice President Kamala Harris secured enough pledges of support from Democratic National

Starting point is 00:03:40 Convention delegates to become the party's nominee. A strong signal she'll secure the nomination at the August convention. Separately, President Joe Biden announced he would address the nation at 8 p.m. Eastern time on Wednesday for the first time since dropping out of the race. Number two, Kimberly Cheadle, the head of the Secret Service, announced her resignation today after bipartisan calls for her to step down. Number three, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. reportedly floated working for the Trump White House as he is considering endorsing Trump, according to the Washington Post. The Trump campaign said it declined the offer. Number four, more than 70 people were killed in Gaza after strikes around the southern city of

Starting point is 00:04:21 Khan Yunis, according to the Hamas-run health ministry. Israel had ordered residents to evacuate ahead of time. Separately, Israel confirmed two more hostages were dead, and 44 of the 116 remaining hostages are believed to be dead. At number five, President Biden made his first public remarks since dropping out of the 2024 presidential race on Monday, speaking over the phone to an audience in Delaware to introduce Vice President Harris at a campaign event. The Republican National Convention closed with Donald Trump accepting his party's nomination for president. Last night, he delivered his longest convention speech yet. All right, turning now to that big night at the RNC and former President Trump's first speech since Saturday's attempt on his life. Accepting his party's nomination,

Starting point is 00:05:17 he spoke of unity while also repeating the attacks and false claims that have helped divide this country. Trump only mentioned President Biden's name twice in a roughly one and a half hour long speech, but he continually decried what he calls the incompetent and failed leadership in the White House. If you took the 10 worst presidents in the history of the United States, think of it, the 10 worst, added them up, they will not have done the damage that Biden has done. Last week, Republicans convened in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, to nominate their presidential and vice presidential candidates for the 2024 election. The four-day event featured speeches from the party's most prominent figures, as well as celebrities, political commentators,

Starting point is 00:06:02 and activists. Former President Donald Trump, who survived an assassination attempt two days before the event began, was in attendance for much of the week and addressed the convention on Thursday in his first major speech since the attempt on his life. On Monday, July 15th, the convention's first day, the Republican Party officially nominated Trump as its presidential candidate. Republican Party officially nominated Trump as its presidential candidate. To win the nomination, Trump needed the support of a majority of the estimated 2,429 delegates in attendance. During the party's roll call vote, Trump received 2,388 votes, 41 delegates abstained, and no other candidates received votes. Republican delegates also voted to pass the party's platform and rules. Trump's selection of Senator J.D. Vance from Ohio, as his running mate, highlighted day one of the convention. That night, Vance was officially nominated by a voice vote.

Starting point is 00:06:53 On Wednesday, Vance gave his first address as the Republican vice presidential candidate in a speech accentuating the senator's Midwestern roots and promoting Trump's vision for the country. Midwestern roots and promoting Trump's vision for the country. Vance also criticized President Joe Biden and the Democrats for policies he said neglected the working class. To the people of Middletown, Ohio, and all the forgotten communities of Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Ohio, and every corner of our nation, I promise you this, I will be a vice president who never forgets where he came from, Vance said. On Thursday, Trump closed the convention with a 92-minute speech accepting his party's nomination for president. Trump began the address by recounting his experience during the assassination attempt in Butler, Pennsylvania, five days earlier, telling the audience, The assassin's bullet came within a quarter inch of taking my life. I'm not supposed to be here tonight.

Starting point is 00:07:45 came within a quarter inch of taking my life. I'm not supposed to be here tonight. The remainder of the speech touched on key themes of Trump's campaign, immigration, inflation, and rising global instability, and the former president's vision for the whole nation in a prospective second term. Other notable moments from the convention include a primetime speech by Teamsters President Sean O'Brien, the first address delivered by a union president to the RNC. The speech proved divisive. O'Brien attacked business groups that have typically backed the Republican Party, while Teamsters leadership and other prominent unions criticized him for speaking at the convention. Notable speakers also included the next two most popular presidential candidates in the 2024 Republican primary, former South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley and Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, who both endorsed the former president.

Starting point is 00:08:31 Today, we'll share perspectives from the right and the left about the RNC and then Isaac's take. We'll be right back after this quick commercial break. Thank you. and acclaim from both critics and audiences alike. See A Real Pain only in theaters November 15th. Got a mortgage? Chances are you're thinking about your payments right now. Need help? Ask your bank about relief measures that may be available to you. Learn more at Canada.ca slash ItPaysToKnow. A message from the Government of Canada. First up, let's start with what the right is saying the right says trump delivered a winning

Starting point is 00:09:51 message with broad appeal some say vance's speech cemented him as the party's future standard bearer others note how the convention successfully blended the past and future of the party the new york post editorial board praised trump's perfect tone and message at the party. The New York Post editorial board praised Trump's perfect tone and message at the RNC. Trump delivered a speech packed with appeals to unity and healing. Knock us over with a feather. Even those who back Trump have offered advice that too often seem to fall on deaf ears. Don't tweet so much. Don't be so angry. Reach across the aisle. In his speech, he did it all, the board wrote. For his third nomination for president, a rarity in American history, Trump was calm,

Starting point is 00:10:31 charming, and at one point said he was asking with great humility. Reader, we're not kidding. He said humility. It was the perfect choice of tone and message. Trump's welcoming delivery, his appeals to lift the nation higher, only highlighted the increasingly deranged rhetoric of the left, the board added. Of course, Trump is still Trump. He went off script many times, particularly towards the end, and the speech went on for a long time. But the overall idea was correct. There were voters who took a chance on Trump in 2016, but he lost in 2020 because he alienated too many of them. This address proves

Starting point is 00:11:06 he realizes that and has made strides to win them back. In Reason, Elizabeth Nolan Brown suggested J.D. Vance is a bridge to Trumpism beyond Trump. Watching Vance on stage at the Republican National Convention last night was like seeing a mirror world version of a normal GOP convention speech. In content and substance, Vince often strays far from GOP candidates of yore. He trash talks about free markets and free trade. He rails against Wall Street and war, Brown said. But stylistically and character-wise, this is what you would expect from a Republican vice presidential candidate. Dignified but affable, well-groomed and telegenic, capable of sticking to a script, folksy and commanding in the right degrees.

Starting point is 00:11:50 Another way to think about Vance is to contrast him with the current vice president, Kamala Harris. Harris, too, was intended to serve as a sort of bridge to the party's future, but her appeal was mostly identitarian rather than ideological, and she has mostly failed to develop a personal brand that looks likely to live on, Brown wrote. Time will tell how Vance does on unsympathetic turf, but on the Republican National Convention stage last night, Vance appeared at ease and spoke eloquently, making platitude seem heartfelt and bantering cheerfully with the audience. Vance shows us what the party of Trump may look like in a post-Trump world. with the audience. Vance shows us what the party of Trump may look like in a post-Trump world.

Starting point is 00:12:28 In the Washington Examiner, Ben Rothove wrote, The Republican National Convention was surprisingly normal. The Republican National Convention concluded Thursday evening after four days of conflicting messages on economics, foreign policy, and what it means to be a conservative. In the weeks before the convention began, an internal fight grew over the platform moderating on social matters such as abortion, failing to address critical problems such as unsustainable entitlement programs, and being unnecessarily vague, Rotho said. But the shooting Saturday evening at a Pennsylvania rally defined the convention, as there was a stronger emphasis on unity than divisiveness. While the GOP has fully accepted a new range of personalities,

Starting point is 00:13:06 it remains to be seen whether it will fully accept the fundamental redefining of conservative policies that figures such as Vance are pushing. The RNC did not answer that question, as it did a fair job of balancing representation from the old guard and the new guard of the party. The Republican Party is undeniably changing, but this convention focused more on when conservatives agree than when they disagree. All right, that is it for what the right is saying, which brings us to what the left is saying. The left says Trump's speech was at odds with his newfound interest in national unity. Some suggest Vance's address emphasized the campaign's investment in Midwestern swing states. Others say the convention sent an ominous message about the future of the

Starting point is 00:13:55 GOP. In MSNBC, Hayes Brown argued Trump's RNC speech proved again there was never a new Trump. For a minute there, former President Donald Trump sounded different on Thursday night. As with most things Trump, though, any shift away from his usual bombast was surface level at best. The facade of a new Trump evaporated quickly, just like the last several times we were promised a new Trump, Brown said. Even when he has managed to momentarily project a calmer persona, a state that lasted only minutes into an address that broke records as the longest acceptance speech ever, Trump remained substantively the same, impulsive, xenophobic, and more than happy to go back on the attack in exchange for the applause of a crowd. Despite promising unity, his speech only grew trumpier as it continued, as he leaned into his worst instincts, riffing into the crowd's delight as he threw at red meat. It was still filled with lies about a supposed surge in crime fueled by migrants

Starting point is 00:14:50 sneaking across the border. It still framed the criminal cases against him as partisan witch hunts from Democrats rather than the results of his own actions, Brown wrote. The Trump we saw on display Thursday night wasn't the chastened, humbled man some predicted he might be on display. It was exactly the Trump we've come to know over the last nine years. In the Washington Post, Karen Tumulty said, after Vance's convention speech, it's clear why Donald Trump chose him to share the ticket. Donald Trump's newly minted running mate introduced himself to the country Wednesday night with a spellbinding speech that wove his own spectacularly unlikely

Starting point is 00:15:25 life story into the fabric of grievances felt by ordinary Americans, less lucky than he was, who have been left behind, Tmulti wrote. But what made his account on Wednesday night so remarkable was the context, the next stage of the Republican National Convention. As Danabash on CNN pointed out, much of what he said could have been delivered by his socialist fellow Senator Bernie Sanders. Also striking were points of MAGA dogma that he didn't mention, no mass deportations of undocumented people, or culture war issues such as allowing transgender women into female sports, or ending support for Ukraine against the Russian invasion, or denying the results of the 2020 election, Tumulti said.

Starting point is 00:16:03 Given how often he cited three states, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, it is clear where Vance will be spending the months between now and November, and it is just as clear why Trump chose Vance to share the ticket. In the Philadelphia Inquirer, Will Bunch said America will never be the same after Milwaukee's tent revival for the cult of Donald Trump. Like any cult, the real mysticism in Milwaukee was the things that went unsaid. I never thought I'd see a four-day national celebration of a presidential candidate who just 45 days earlier had been convicted on 34 felony charges, Bunch wrote.

Starting point is 00:16:40 But I'm much, much more flabbergasted by how quickly those convictions just vanished from your TV screen and the national conversation. Just like the massive financial fraud. Just like the E. Jean Carroll rape case. Just like the taking of our top secret documents. Just like the role he played in trying to tamper with his 2020 election defeat and his summoning of a violent mob to the U.S. Capitol. Any need to tone it down or lower the national temperature after Saturday's

Starting point is 00:17:05 shooting in Butler doesn't undo the fact that all of those disqualifying things have happened. But here's the other thing. Nobody at the RNC was really toning it down or lowering the temperature. Instead, it was a week-long heat dome of baseless accusations settled over eastern Wisconsin, Bunch said. The 2024 RNC is indeed all about unity, but only the creepiest and most cultist kinds. I saw unity of fear in a party of ritual humiliation where dissenters like Mitt Romney or Liz Cheney are tossed down the memory hole. All right, let's send it over to Isaac for his take. All right, that is it for what the left and the right are saying, which brings us to my take. So we were planning to cover the Republican National Convention

Starting point is 00:17:59 yesterday, but the insatiable beast that is our news cycle demanded another campaign-altering story that Joe Biden dropped out on Sunday. Still, I think the RNC remains relevant. It marked the first time Trump spoke since the assassination attempt. It was the first primetime speech for J.D. Vance, Trump's new running mate. And I had two distinct reactions to each address from home. For Trump, I'll be honest, it was mostly disappointment. The first 15 minutes of his speech were genuinely captivating. The firsthand account of his assassination attempt, yes, but also the change in tone, the grace,

Starting point is 00:18:37 and the humility with which he described his experience. A lot of what came after, though, was disappointing. He lied incessantly. He claimed that the U.S. had record inflation, the high watermark for inflation under Biden was 8% in 2022, and it never approached the all-time record of 23.7% set in 1920. He said that illegal immigrants are going to destroy Social Security and Medicare. There are a lot of reasons to keep unauthorized migrants out of the U.S., but they actually help fund Social Security and Medicare. There are a lot of reasons to keep unauthorized migrants out of the U.S., but they actually help fund Social Security and Medicare without reaping the benefits. He said that Biden is going to quadruple the current tax rate. Again, hard to even fact-check

Starting point is 00:19:14 this because it's so detached from reality. He said that the crime rate's going up in the U.S. while going down across the world, which is almost the opposite of the truth. Violent crime in the U.S. the world, which is almost the opposite of the truth. Violent crime in the U.S. is lower today than it was in 2020, and it's increasing in places like Europe. It was frustrating to hear him lie even about things he doesn't need to lie about, like defeating ISIS in a couple months. It is certainly a crowning achievement, but it actually took a couple of years. A lot of his speech was similarly frustrating. It's frustrating in part because Trump doesn't have to lie to make a strong case against Biden. There are plenty of compelling, fact-based arguments he could use. It's frustrating because his campaign spent all

Starting point is 00:19:53 week saying he was a changed man who was going to strike a different tone. I obviously doubted that, but still. Instead, he still told us that Nancy Pelosi is crazy, that Biden is worse than the 10 worst presidents combined, that the invasion of illegal immigrants is at our doorstep, etc. His speech was a genuine opportunity to make a call for unity, but contrary to the New York Post portrayal, that call was only present in the opening minutes, and no appeals to unity could be found in the remaining 75 minutes of his speech. It was far more interesting to listen to J.D. Vance's speech. He mimics and embraces some of Trump's tone, of course, but his delivery was a bit more stilted than I remembered. As for the content of his speech,

Starting point is 00:20:35 it was far more interesting to listen to J.D. Vance's speech, the content of which was laced with stories, ideas, and themes that I think have much broader appeal than Trump delivered, and they represented a genuine shift from what you might traditionally hear from the Republican Party. Vance focused his speech on the country's fight against drug overdoses and his mother overcoming addiction, the idea that we should welcome immigrants but on our terms, the story of his immigrant wife's family, and the imperative that we take care of American workers first. He hammered Wall Street bankers that caused the 2008 crash, then spoke about the

Starting point is 00:21:11 unaffordability of housing and the need to address it. Here are a few snippets of his speech. At one point he said, quote, our movement is about single moms like mine who struggled with money and addiction but never gave up. He said, quote, we will put the citizens of America first, whatever the color of their skin. He said, quote, we're done, ladies and gentlemen, catering to Wall Street. We'll commit to the working man. He said, quote, we need a leader who's not in the pocket of big business but answers to the working man, union and non-union alike. He said, quote, now we won't agree on every issue, of course, not even in this room. We may disagree from time to time about how to best reinvigorate

Starting point is 00:21:50 American industry and renew American family. That's fine. In fact, it's more than fine. It's good. He said, quote, we have a big tent on this party, on everything from national security to economic policy. All of that, paired with a union boss giving a fiery speech to the entire convention, was both jarring and fascinating. Vance may be the first mainstream politician who is, quote, socially conservative but fiscally liberal. Some elements of his speech and those delivered by other convention speakers could have easily been heard at a Bernie Sanders rally. Some parts of the Republican Party's transformation still concern me. I don't think the U.S. should retreat from the world stage,

Starting point is 00:22:30 and I fear the unintended consequences of isolationism. Vance is well known for opposing more support for Ukraine in its fight against Russia. But other parts of the party's evolution exhilarate me. Republicans have been quote-unquote business-friendly at the expense of many working-class voters, and the country may be better off if they try to reverse that trend. Whatever changes are happening in the GOP and wherever they lead, it's clear that the ground is shifting. Conservatives like Vance want to debate their policies on different turf than Republicans of the past did, and the GOP that tried so hard to reject Trump in 2016 appears to have been wholly remade by him. In both those ways, I think we'll look back

Starting point is 00:23:11 on the 2024 RNC as the week the party coalesced around its new image. We'll be right back after this quick break. We'll be right back after this quick break. Whether renting, considering buying a home, or renewing a mortgage, many Canadians are finding it hard to focus with housing costs on their minds. For free tools and resources to help you manage your home finances and clear your head, visit Canada.ca slash ItPaysToKnow. A message from the Government of Canada. Based on Charles Yu's award-winning book, Interior Chinatown follows the story of Willis Wu, a background character trapped in a police procedural who dreams about a world beyond Chinatown follows the story of Willis Wu, a background character trapped in a police procedural who dreams about a world beyond Chinatown. When he inadvertently becomes a

Starting point is 00:24:09 witness to a crime, Willis begins to unravel a criminal web, his family's buried history, and what it feels like to be in the spotlight. Interior Chinatown is streaming November 19th, only on Disney+. From Searchlight Pictures comes A Real Pain, one of the most moving and funny films of the year. Written and directed by Oscar-nominated Jesse Eisenberg and starring Eisenberg and Emmy Award winner Kieran Culkin, A Real Pain is a comedy about mismatched cousins who reunite for a tour through Poland to honor their beloved grandmother. The adventure takes a turn when the pair's old tensions resurface against the backdrop of their family history. A Real Pain was one of the buzziest titles at Sundance Film Festival this year, garnering rave reviews and acclaim from both critics and audiences alike.

Starting point is 00:24:52 See A Real Pain only in theaters November 15th. Alright, that is it for my take, which brings us to your questions answered. This one's from Raymond in Harvey Cedars, New Jersey. Raymond asked, in your my take, how do you know that Thomas Matthew Crooks, quote, certainly held right-wing views, end quote? What facts are you basing that on? Okay, first, a quick disclaimer. We typically do not name shooters because of the well-known contagion effect, but we've been making an exception in this case due to the historical nature of the assassination attempt. So let me start with a small but important clarification. I said that Crooks, the 20-year-old who attempted to assassinate Donald Trump,

Starting point is 00:25:38 almost certainly held right-wing views. That word choice was deliberate. I try to be very careful not to report something as absolute fact unless I know it's absolutely factual, and I don't think anyone will ever be able to say with 100% certainty what political views Crooks held. Multiple sources describe him as a loner with no obvious outward political ideology, and unless the investigation into the shooting turns up a diary or some descriptive emails he sent, his true worldview will likely remain unknown. However, we can draw some pretty strong conclusions. First, and as we reported last week, Crooks was registered to vote as a Republican. He did make a single donation to Democrats through ActBlue when he was 17,

Starting point is 00:26:22 but there is good reason to read much less into that. It was a one-time $15 donation made to a spammy email group that sent a note on the day of Biden's inauguration. Based on the framing of the email itself, it's unclear who Crooks was even supporting with his donation. On top of the registration, the Pittsburgh NPR affiliate reported that many of his high school classmates described him as holding some conservative views, and we know that his parents held some conservative beliefs as well. Additionally, neighbors claimed to remember Trump signs in his yard. This claim was disputed by other neighbors after our original publication. Taken all together, it's fair to conclude that

Starting point is 00:26:59 Crooks almost certainly held right-wing views. That is not to say that Crook's entire ideology was right-wing. Obviously, his politics are not well understood. As we got into a few times both on Monday last week and in our subscribers-only edition on Friday, we don't know the shooter's motives, and we definitely can't ascribe his political outlook to his fateful decision. So while I do stand by the statement that we published last week, I also want to caution readers against seeing that statement as the end-all be-all about Trump's would-be assassin. All right, that is it for your reader question today. I'm going to send it back to John for the rest of the pod, and I'll see you guys tomorrow. Have a good one.

Starting point is 00:27:43 Thanks, Isaac. Here's your Under the Radar story for today, folks. On Thursday, The Washington Post placed editor's notes atop several opinion pieces written or co-authored by Sue Me Terry, a former CIA analyst and the wife of prominent Washington Post columnist Max Boot. Terry was charged last week with being an unregistered foreign agent for the South Korean government. She's accused of subvertingistered foreign agent for the South Korean government. She's accused of subverting foreign agent registration laws, providing South Korean intelligence officers with access, information, and advocacy, and offering her influence in exchange for handbags, expensive meals, and thousands of dollars of funding for her public policy program. Fox News has this story, and there's a link in today's episode description.

Starting point is 00:28:34 All right, next up is our numbers section. The approximate number of attendees at the 2024 Republican National Convention was 50,000. The approximate length in minutes of former President Donald Trump's speech at the RNC was 92 minutes, the longest acceptance speech in convention history. The approximate length in minutes of Trump's acceptance speech at the RNC in 2016 was 74 minutes, the longest in convention history at that time. The average television viewership across four nights of this year's RNC was 19 million, approximately a 22% decrease from 2016. The approximate number of viewers for Trump's acceptance speech on Thursday was 25 million. The approximate number of viewers for Trump's acceptance speech in 2016 was 32 million. The number of protesters that had been expected to participate in the March on the RNC 2024 rally on Monday, July 15th was 5,000.

Starting point is 00:29:23 The approximate peak number of protesters at 15th was 5,000. The approximate peak number of protesters at the rally was 3,000. And last but not least, our Have a Nice Day story. Arthur Watkins was a 20th century British plant scientist whose collection of wheat may aid in current global food production needs. After serving as an agricultural officer in post-World War I France, Watkins collected 827 samples of wheat from across the globe. These samples have recently been DNA sequenced as part of a UK-Chinese collaboration and could contribute to creating hearty varieties of wheat to feed the growing global population. Simon Griffiths, one of the project's leaders,

Starting point is 00:30:07 said the Watkins collection contains varieties that have been lost, but which will be invaluable in creating wheat that can provide healthy yields in the harsh conditions that now threaten agriculture. The Guardian has this story and there's a link in today's episode description. All right, everybody, that is it for today's episode. As always, if you'd like to support our work, please go to reedtangle.com and sign up for a membership. We'll be right back here

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