Tangle - A major SCOTUS ruling on voting rights.
Episode Date: April 30, 2026On Wednesday, the Supreme Court ruled 6–3 that Louisiana must redraw its congressional map, finding that one of the state’s majority-black districts was unconstitutionally gerrymandered ...based on race. The decision weakens — but does not strike down — Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act (VRA), which prohibits voting practices that discriminate on the basis of race or color. In the wake of the decision, several states could move to redraw their congressional maps based on the Court’s guidance, an effort that is expected to benefit Republicans. Ad-free podcasts are here!To listen to this podcast ad-free, and to enjoy our subscriber only premium content, go to ReadTangle.com to sign up!Suspension of the Rules.Isaac, Ari, and Kmele take on partisan gerrymandering and the Supreme Court’s decision on the Voting Rights Act in the latest episode of Suspension of the Rules. After you finish reading today’s edition diving deep on the topic, check out the latest video for more discussion — plus an exploration on the recent assassination attempt against President Trump, the White House ballroom, and a dramatic “fight me, bro” challenge issued by a former Tangle interview guest. Watch the new episode here!You can read today's podcast here and today’s “Have a nice day” story here.You can subscribe to Tangle by clicking here or drop something in our tip jar by clicking here. Take the survey: What do you think of the Supreme Court’s decision? Let us know.Our Executive Editor and Founder is Isaac Saul. Our Executive Producer is Jon Lall.This podcast was written by: Audrey Moorehead and audio edited and mixed by Dewey Thomas. Music for the podcast was produced by Diet 75.Our newsletter is edited by Managing Editor Ari Weitzman, Senior Editor Will Kaback, Lindsey Knuth, Bailey Saul, and Audrey Moorehead. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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From executive producer Isaac Saul, this is Tangle.
Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening, and welcome to the Tangle podcast, a place where you get views from across the political spectrum, some independent thinking, and a little bit of our take.
I'm your host for today, Associate editor Audrey Moorhead, and today I am excited to stake my claim on the most important legal debate of our time, which is, of course, how on earth do you pronounce jingles?
G-I-N-G-L-E-S.
Everyone, I think it's pretty clear
that the pronunciation ought to be jingles,
as I have just said.
But with that out of the way, in all seriousness,
we are actually discussing
a pretty landmark Supreme Court decision
that was issued yesterday
in Louisiana v. Calais.
In that decision,
the Supreme Court overturned
a Louisiana congressional map
on the basis that it was an unconstitutional
racial gerrymander.
This ruling significantly weakens
Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act.
You'll hear more from us about the background of this ruling,
what the left and writer saying about it, and then my take.
But first, I do just want to mention,
the boys over on suspension of the rules
took on parties and gerrymandering
and the Supreme Court decision themselves.
So you can hear Isaac Ari and Camille talk about that,
as well as an exploration of the recent assassination attempt
against President Trump,
the plans for the White House ballroom,
and a dramatic challenge issued by a former Tangle interview guest.
So after you finish listening to me over here,
head over there and hear from them. But without further ado, I'm going to pass it over to John
for today's intro, and I'll see you again for my take. Thanks, Audrey, and welcome, everybody. Here are
your quick hits for today. First up, the Federal Open Market Committee voted to keep interest rates
unchanged at a range of 3.5% to 3.75%, with four members dissenting from the decision. Federal Reserve
Chairman Jerome Powell also said that he will stay on as a board member after his term as chair expired.
in May, citing concern over political pressure from the Trump administration.
Separately, the Senate Banking Committee voted 13 to 11 along party lines to advance Kevin
Warsh's nomination to be the next Federal Reserve chairman. His nomination now heads to a confirmation
vote in the full Senate. Number two, Defense Secretary Pete Heikset testified before the House
Armed Services Committee facing questions about the cost of the Iran War, the ongoing threat
to U.S. service members, and his firing of former Army Chief of Staff General Randy George.
Separately, acting Pentagon Comptroller Juleshurst III told the committee that the cost of Operation Epic Fury
has been approximately $25 billion, with munitions making up the majority of those costs.
Number three, the Florida legislature approved a new congressional map that is expected to net Republicans
four additional seats in the U.S. House. The new map is expected to draw several legal challenges.
Number four, the House voted 235 to 191 to reauthorize Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence
Surveillance Act for three years, sending the measure to the Senate ahead of a Thursday renewal
deadline. And number five, the House voted 215 to 215 to advance a budget framework that would
allow the Senate to use the reconciliation process to fund immigration and customs enforcement
and customs and border patrol. The Supreme Court just issued a ruling on a potentially groundbreaking
redistricting case that could impact for many years to come the power of minority voters in this
country, it focuses on the constitutionality of Louisiana's congressional map and how it was redrawn.
The justice is determined if Louisiana lawmakers properly balanced constitutional and voting rights
act protections. On Wednesday, the Supreme Court ruled six to three that Louisiana must
redraw its congressional map, finding that one of the state's majority black districts was
unconstitutionally gerrymandered based on race. The decision weakens, but does not strike down
section two of the Voting Rights Act, which prohibits voting rights act, which prohibits voting.
voting practices that discriminate on the basis of race or color. In the wake of the decision,
several states could move to redraw their congressional maps based on the court's guidance,
an effort that is expected to benefit Republicans. We covered oral arguments in this case in October,
and you can check it out with a link in today's episode description. For context, Louisiana's
original congressional map, drawn after the 2020 census, included only one majority black district.
after a group of black Louisiana voters challenged the map for violating the VRA,
a lower court ordered the state to draw a second majority black district.
A different group of voters then challenged the revised map,
claiming it relied too heavily on race.
A lower court blocked the map as an illegal racial gerrymander,
although the Supreme Court allowed it to remain for the 2024 election.
The Supreme Court heard oral arguments for the case in October 2025,
and the Republican appointed justices signaled that they were likely to curtail or strike down Section 2.
Writing for the majority, Justice Samuel Alito said,
Unresolved legal questions required the court to determine
whether compliance with the Voting Rights Act
should be added to our very short list of compelling interests
that can justify racial discrimination.
Alito wrote that Section 2 only dictates
that minority voters have the opportunity
to elect their preferred candidate,
not that the candidate should be given advantages
to increase their chances of representing that voter base.
Section 2 is violated, Alito wrote,
only when the circumstances give rise to a strong inference that intentional discrimination occurred.
As an example, he described a situation in which a state's redistricting algorithm
created several different options for majority minority districts, and the state was unable to justify
its decision not to select any of them. By contrast, he said, interpreting Section 2 of the Voting
Rights Act to outlaw a map solely because it fails to provide a sufficient number of majority
minority districts would create a right that the amendment does not protect.
Justice Clarence Thomas authored a concurrence joined by Justice Neil Gorsuch, writing that he would
go further than Alito and hold that Section 2 does not regulate districting at all.
Justice Elena Kagan dissented in an opinion joined by Justice Sosonea Sotomayor and Katanji
Brown Jackson. Cagan wrote that the court had completed a demolition of the Voting Rights Act,
as the decision will effectively insulate any practice, including any districting scheme, said by a state
to have any race-neutral justification. That justification can sound in traditional district
criteria or else can sound in politics and partisanship. Signaling her strong disagreement with the
decision, she signed her opinion, I dissent, assuing the traditional, I respectfully, dissent.
In light of the court's ruling, Louisiana Governor Jeff Landry reportedly plans to suspend the state's
primary elections in May in order to allow state lawmakers to pass a new congressional map.
Today, we'll share perspectives from the right and the left on the decision, and then
associate editor Audrey Moorhead will give her take.
We'll be right back after this quick break.
All right.
First up, let's start with what the right is saying.
The right celebrates the ruling, arguing race-based gerrymandering, is clearly unconstitutional.
Some praise Alito's opinion for establishing strong new precedent.
Others say the court should have struck down Section 2 entirely.
The New York Post editorial board wrote,
The Supreme Court signals the end of legalized race games.
Hooray!
60 years ago, Congress imposed intrusive racial concerns in districting as a remedy to once
pervasive and systemic state-sponsored discrimination that long-thwarted meaningful political
participation by black citizens in violation of the 14th Amendment's equal protection guarantees,
the board said. But the civil rights laws and America's social progress have produced a very
different country today, even in the deepest south. All the way back in 2003, in a ruling
allowing some continued affirmative action, Justice Sandra Day O'Connor warned that 25 years
from now, the use of racial preferences will no longer be necessary to achieve justice.
Note that the High Court did not completely strike down the Voting Rights Act.
It only limited obsessive government use of race when no one can point to any actual wrong to be righted.
Some statistical incongruity isn't evidence of discrimination, period, the board wrote.
No one is pretending that racism no longer exists, nor that some official recognition of race can still be appropriate.
Louisiana still can't adopt a map that draws bizarre shapes to avoid any natural majority minority district, for example.
In the Wall Street Journal, Edward Bloom called the decision a blow against racial gerrymandering.
For decades, voting rights litigation drifted toward a dangerous assumption that if election
outcomes didn't roughly mirror racial census percentages, something must be legally wrong.
Courts and advocacy groups increasingly treated proportional representation as a requirement.
States were pressured to sort citizens by race and draw majority minority districts
to hit demographic targets, Bloom said.
The result was predictable and divisive.
gerrymandered maps split cities, counties, and neighborhoods, sometimes stretching hundreds of miles
to connect distant populations linked primarily by race.
Justice Samuel Alito's majority opinion recognizes that the Constitution almost never permits a state
to discriminate on the basis of race and reaffirms that strict scrutiny applies when
government intentionally classifies citizens by race, Bloom wrote.
Equally important, the court recognized what has been obvious in modern American politics for
years. In many states, race and political affiliation are heavily correlated. The court noted that
litigants increasingly attempt to repackage a partisan gerrymandering claim as a racial gerrymandering claim.
To address this problem, the justices imposed significant new evidentiary burdens on Section 2 plaintiffs.
In PJ media, Matt Margolis asked, did the Supreme Court's VRA ruling go far enough?
One might think that we could all agree that drawing congressional maps based solely on skin color is race,
but apparently not.
The entire premise of race-based redistricting
is that black voters must be grouped together
to have political power,
an assumption that is, at its core,
deeply patronizing and racially deterministic,
Margolis said.
Justice Clarence Thomas didn't mince words
about the court's prior adventures in this territory.
He writes that today's decision
should largely put an end to this disastrous misadventure
in voting rights jurisprudence.
The liberal dissenters, led by Justice Elena Kagan,
warned the ruling renders Section 2
all but a dead letter and accused the majority of stripping away protections for minority voters,
Margolis wrote. While Kagan frames as a catastrophe, Thomas frames as a correction. One man's
gutting of the VRA is another man's return to what the law actually says. Clarence Thomas has been
the most consistent principal voice on this court when it comes to colorblind constitutionalism,
and history keeps catching up to him. He's not just a national treasure. He's a man who has been
right for decades while everyone else was still figuring it out.
All right, that is it for what the right is saying, which brings us to what the left is saying.
The left strongly opposes the ruling, suggesting the majority acted as policymakers.
Some say the decision effectively destroys the Voting Rights Act.
Others argue the ruling will have catastrophic consequences for minority voters.
The New York Times editorial board wrote,
The Justice has acted as partisans in the voting rights ruling.
The Supreme Court's decision on Wednesday on the Voting Rights Act is a mind-boggling piece of judicial overreach.
six conservative justices voted to weaken the act, in that way substituting their own judgment
for that of Congress, which reauthorized the law 20 years ago with overwhelming bipartisan
support, the board said. The effects will be significant. The officials who make the maps no longer
need to worry much about whether they are sprinkling black voters across many districts and
eliminating majority black districts. It is impossible not to notice the partisan nature of this ruling.
The six justices and the majority are the six nominated by Republican presidents, and they
have likely made it easier for the party that chose them to hold power in Congress, the board
wrote. The decision has eviscerated the old standard of Section 2 because proving intent is extremely
difficult. As a result, states will now be able to slice minority voters into small and powerless
slivers, as long as they can claim to do so for partisan rather than racial reasons.
In Mother Jones, Ari Berman called the ruling a death blow to the Voting Rights Act.
The hypocrisy of the Roberts Court is simply astounding. In December, the court allowed a million
decade redistricting plan in Texas that was designed to give Republicans five more seats on Trump's
orders to go into effect despite a lower court with the majority opinion written by a Trump appointee,
finding that there was overwhelming evidence of the use of race to draw district lines and
disempower people based on the color of their skin, Berman said. In Calais, by contrast,
the court held that race could not be a factor in drawing district lines because it violated the 14th
and 15th amendments. The Calais opinion is the latest in a long line of cases of
attacking the VRA, which has been an obsession for Chief Justice John Roberts for more than four
decades, Berman wrote. The decision is much bigger than just partisan politics. The Voting Rights Act
of 1965 made America a multiracial democracy. It ended the authoritarian regime in the Jim Crow
South that prevented millions of people from enjoying the fundamental promise of equal citizenship
under the law. With an authoritarian president now in the White House and the Voting Rights Act
a dead letter, America may become a democracy in name only once again. In Slate, Richard L. Hassan
argued the Supreme Court's conservatives just issued the worst ruling in a century. Alito's opinion
eviscerates Section 2 as applied to redistricting. He throws out the Gingles test while denying
he is doing so and has restored a requirement that plaintiffs proved discriminatory intent
when challenging district lines. Only if a computer algorithm would protect minority voters by chance,
do they have a chance to win such a case?
What's worse, the state can defend their maps by claiming they were merely engaging in partisan
gerrymandering, Hassan said.
So when, say, Louisiana goes back and eliminates many black opportunity districts in its state,
it can claim it's doing so to help Republicans, not whites.
That's an outrageous proposition given the considerable overlap between those two groups in Louisiana.
Alito knows exactly what he's doing, make it seem like he's not gutting the Voting Rights Act
through technical language, turning both the statute and the Constitution on its head, Hassan Rund.
The Supreme Court itself has shown itself to be an enemy of democracy.
If and when Democrats retake control of the political branches, it will be incumbent on them not
only to write new voting legislation protecting minority voters and all voters in the ability
to participate fairly in elections that reflect the will of the people.
They will also have to consider reform of the Supreme Court itself.
All right, let's head over to Audrey for her take.
All right.
Watch John, and here is my take on the situation.
So one of the central principles I use to think about politics
and change over time is called Chesterton's fence.
The premise popularized by Catholic writer G.K. Chesterton in the 20th century is this.
Two people happen upon an unexpected fence as they walk along a public path.
The first person wants to remove the fence as soon as possible
because it blocks their ability to continue walking.
The second person disagrees, saying they should investigate why the third
fence is there before they take it down? For instance, what if the fence is the only thing keeping out
a dangerous animal? And what if that animal has reproduced? To take down the fence would allow these
animals access to the whole countryside. And restoring the fence later would be much harder than
exercising patients today. Of course, the fence might have been put up for a bad reason. Maybe someone
was trying to lay an illegitimate claim to public property. Or maybe the offense's original purpose
had been served. Maybe the dangerous animal died, and now the dangerous animal died, and now that
the fence just blocks an empty field. In each of these cases, taking down the fence would be acceptable,
but any action would still require understanding why the fence was there. As a general rule,
I exercise this principle when I think about how to go about societal change. I believe that the
people who came before me usually had their reasons to structure society in specific ways,
and I need to understand those reasons before I try to change society. Justice Elena Kagan,
writing in dissent yesterday, put forward an excellent explanation of the historical necessity
of the particular fence we call the Voting Rights Act, or the VRA.
In the years following the Civil War and the failure of reconstruction, white Americans in
positions of power, particularly in the South, systematically crushed the rights of black
Americans. These white Americans put up invidious fences around voting, poll taxes, literacy tests,
and so on, all principles that they could claim were race-neutral, just so they could keep
their black neighbors out. Congress, responding to the dire need for change, mandated that those
fences be torn down. But the teardown wasn't enough. As Justice Kagan noted, there seemed an endless
number of new, facially race-neutral principles that in practice barred black Americans from
exercising their rights. Thus, the VRA was built, a fence that ensured Congress and the courts could
have a legal remedy for any and all obstacles to black enfranchisement. Justice Kagan's dissent in Kale,
is harsh, fiery.
She writes that way because she believes the Roberts Court
is tearing down a fence that is still necessary.
For years, Congress and the courts
have interpreted Section 2 of the VRA
as requiring the examination and elimination
of disparate effects against racial groups,
not discriminatory intent.
And they did this because, as Kagan points out,
it is the rare legislature that cannot camouflage
racial targeting with race-neutral justifications.
But the Roberts Court in Calais reverses that long-understood test,
instead requiring that plaintiffs must prove discriminatory intent in order to overturn a racial gerrymander.
Justice Samuel Alito, who wrote the majority opinion, argued that the court isn't tearing down the VRA fence.
Rather, it's updating long-held standards to more accurately reflect modern realities and the VRA's
original mandate. Essentially, under Rolito's framework, the wild animal of American racism is very, very weak.
and therefore a strong fence is no longer necessary to keep it out.
Furthermore, Alito sees the ultimate goal as a totally equal race-blind society.
Under his view, the VRA is an example of race-based thinking that was temporarily necessary
to combat more dangerous discrimination.
But as discrimination lessens and the VRA gets less necessary,
it should be made weaker and ultimately removed entirely.
He cited four central historical shifts as proof for this particular weakening.
First, vast social change throughout the country and particularly in the South that had eliminated
1960s-era racial differences in voter registration and turnout.
Second, the rise of a legitimately competitive two-party system in the South.
Third, the Rucho decision, which declared courts couldn't make rulings on partisan gerrymandering.
And fourth, the use of computers to draw maps.
All of these developments, Alito held, were proof of enough change that the previous understanding
of the VRA and the Jingles' racial discriminatory.
test, which assesses whether electoral districts violate Section 2, were now unfairly burdensome
on states. Alito doesn't argue that racial discrimination never happens. Instead, he argues that
discrimination explicitly banned by Section 2 must be provably based on race, not merely partisan
preference. Partisan gerrymandering is a political question, so courts can't interfere. Plaintiffs
need to disentangle race from politics in order to successfully challenge gerrymandered maps.
This is Alito's most significant update to the Jingles framework.
Now, Jingles can only be satisfied if plaintiffs can prove that lawmakers are intentionally eroding racial interests, not just preserving partisan interests.
At first glance, I think this seems logical and fair.
The Supreme Court won't interfere in partisan gerrymandering.
State legislatures, unless otherwise told by Congress or a constitutional amendment, have the unfortunate right to try to preserve specific partisan outcomes.
This might mean that racial groups will be divided in strained ways,
but it doesn't actually reduce their opportunity to elect a representative of their choice
relative to the opportunity of other voters to do so.
A black Democrat in a Republican state, for example,
is required to have a fair opportunity to elect a candidate of their choice.
But only the opportunity of black voters is protected,
not the opportunity of Democrats.
Reality is not so easy to disentangle.
The Louisiana map at the heart of the case and maps in many,
much of the South are proof of just how complicated it can be. In the Deep South, voting is often
racially polarized. White voters are overwhelmingly Republican, while Black voters are overwhelmingly
Democrat. I want to believe Justice Alito's conjecture that any racial discrimination evident in a partisan
gerrymander in Louisiana is pure happenstance, and Louisiana's original map would have looked the same had those
voters been white. But as Justice Kagan writes, the racial and the partisan factors are impossible to
extricate in the deep south. For a lot of complicated, messy historical reasons,
southern black voters have a demonstrably sharp partisan divide from their white neighbors.
To be totally fair to the Calais majority, it is still possible for plaintiffs to mount
successful Section 2 challenges. Some electoral map experts are already pointing out that mostly
nonpartisan local races could be used to show white voters differing from the preferences
of black voters for no reason other than race. We don't yet know how courts will resolve those questions,
but they could still be a viable path for suits.
As such, while Kagan is right that it's much harder to mount these challenges,
I think she goes too far when she claims that the Kaleigh opinion destroyed the VRA.
Honestly, if you ask me, the racial problems at the heart of this case
are mostly a proxy for the deeper, more pernicious problem of partisan gerrymandering.
And the actions of the states after Kaleigh came down are sheer proof of that.
In my home state of Tennessee, Senator Marsha Blackburn,
who's now running to become the Republican governor nominee,
called for a legislative special session
to eliminate Tennessee's lone Democratic district
at the heart of majority Black Memphis.
The Georgia state GOP began calling for similar redistricting.
Florida governor Rhonda Santis,
a Republican, declared that Calais invalidated
a part of the state constitution
that might have blocked the harshly partisan gerrymandered map
that just passed Florida's legislature.
And while Republican states are making the moves right now
ahead of the midterms,
Calais also cleared the way for Democratic states
to eliminate some.
Republican districts. I'm no Supreme Court cynic. I genuinely believe that all of the justices,
even the ones whose reasoning I tend to disagree with, are working from intelligently formed,
long-held principles of interpreting the law. I'm also consistently skeptical that Scotus
times its opinions for political reasons, nor do I think that Scotus should consider politics
in its decision timing. But I must admit, the timing of Calais feels particularly inopportune.
It's guaranteed to heat up the redistricting fight that's already swept nation ahead of this
fall's midterms, and it helps Republican states more than Democratic states at the moment,
though that's not necessarily true long term.
VRA was originally an electric fence that protected against racial discrimination.
As partisanship has increased over time and strongly correlated with race,
it's become a barbed wire fence against totally unrestricted partisan gerrymandering.
After Calais, only the fence posts remain.
the deadly animal has reproduced and its progeny is unrestrained. Now either Congress builds a new fence
or we all suffer the consequences. That's it for my take, so I'll hand it back off to
Executive Editor Isaac Saul for a staff concurrence, and then John will close us out. Thanks all for
listening. Thank you, Audrey. As much as I appreciate Audrey's thoughtful and well-reasoned analysis,
which it is, if Section 2 was the fence stopping this, then that should tell us about the
value and importance of keeping Section 2 alive, and about its effectiveness as Congress
intended in preserving the constitutional right to equal representation.
However, you land on the constitutionality of the law, which I of course concede, is the only
responsibility the court has here. The reality of what is about to happen is a shameful
outcome for our democracy and our country, and we should say that in clear, unambiguous
terms. Until gerrymandering of all kinds is restricted, outlawed, or overcome, we will continue
moving further and further into a future where our politicians pick us and not the other way around.
We'll be right back after this quick break.
Thanks, Audrey. In this week's segment, The Road Not Taken, our editorial team reached consensus
on what stories to cover this week pretty easily. The attempted assassination against President
Trump and the two Supreme Court cases in particular were no-brainer selections. Our Tuesday
newsletter on the Southern Poverty Law Center indictment was our only difficult choice. We also
considered covering the DOJ dropping the investigation into Jerome Powell, cannabis reclassification,
and an update on the death penalty that drove a robust internal discussion. The nuances of the
SPLC case made it the most compelling choice to unpacked, but now we feel more motivated
to publish a discussion over some differing opinions on the death penalty sometime soon, too.
In a different world where the Supreme Court didn't rule on the Voting Rights Act yesterday,
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