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Starting point is 00:01:00 From executive producer Isaac Saul, this is Tangle. Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening, and welcome to the Tangle podcast, the place we get views from across the political spectrum, some independent thinking, and a little bit of my take. I'm your host, Isaac Saul, and on today's episode, we are going to be talking about Biden's new immigration policy, an executive order that applies to the non-citizen spouses of U.S. citizens. Pretty interesting stuff, going to have a very big impact, I think. Before we jump into that, I want to give a quick heads up on two things. First of all, yesterday, we released a video on Juneteenth, a new video on

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Starting point is 00:05:44 This morning, President Biden is set to announce two major immigration programs, one to protect nearly half a million spouses of U.S. citizens from deportation and another to make it easier for some migrants, including so-called dreamers, to get work visas. That's according to a source familiar with the discussions. The plan would protect from deportation undocumented spouses and children of U.S. citizens. It also makes it easier for them to apply for work visas and lawful permanent residency. I'm not interested in playing politics with the border or immigration. I'm interested in fixing it. I said it before. I said it before and I'll say it again today. I will work with anyone to solve these problems.

Starting point is 00:06:24 That's my responsibility as president. That's our responsibility as Americans. I said it before and I'll say it again today. I will work with anyone to solve these problems. That's my responsibility as president. That's our responsibility as Americans. On Tuesday, President Biden announced a large-scale immigration program offering unauthorized immigrants married to American citizens legal status and an expedited pathway to citizenship for them and their children. The executive order will allow applicants to live and work in the United States legally under an existing policy called Parole in Place, which grants temporary legal status for immigrants seeking long-term residency.

Starting point is 00:06:56 Immigrants who have been living without authorization in the U.S. for at least 10 years, have not previously been paroled into the country, do not pose a security threat, and have been married since June 17th of 2024, will be eligible to apply with the Department of Homeland Security by the end of the summer. Once accepted into the program, immigrants will be able to work in the U.S. legally for three to five years before applying for citizenship. The government estimates the program will apply to roughly 500,000 spouses of U.S. citizens, as well as an estimated 50,000 children of unauthorized immigrants and stepchildren of

Starting point is 00:07:29 U.S. citizens. Under current law, a non-citizen residing in the U.S. illegally and married to a U.S. citizen would have to leave the United States and apply to re-enter the country legally to seek legal status. Depending on how they entered the country and how long they've lived in the U.S. without authorization, the spouse could have to stay abroad for up to 10 years before being allowed to apply to come back. Applicants can opt to apply for a waiver to avoid the waiting period, but that process averages about three and a half years to complete. For those wives or husbands and their children who have lived in America for a decade or more, but are undocumented,

Starting point is 00:08:05 this action will allow them to file paperwork for legal status in the United States, allowing them to work while they remain with their families in the United States, President Biden said. The announcement follows an executive order from Biden earlier this month, capping the number of asylum seekers allowed to enter the United States, which upset many of the president's liberal supporters. allowed to enter the United States, which upset many of the president's liberal supporters. The policy is the first expansion of parole in place since Congress authorized extending the program to immediate relatives of veterans of the armed forces in 2020, and if upheld, will be the largest government program for undocumented immigrants since the Deferred

Starting point is 00:08:39 Action Childhood Arrivals Program, or DACA, was announced in 2012. DACA was implemented by Executive Action during the Obama administration, and President Biden reinstated the program after it was repealed during Trump's term. The program currently shields 528,000 so-called DREAMers, unauthorized immigrants who were brought to the United States as children, from deportation. Biden's announcement came on DACA's 12-year anniversary. Relatedly, the State Department also announced on Tuesday a streamlined process for DACA recipients and other undocumented immigrants who have graduated from U.S. colleges to more easily obtain work visas. Republicans attacked the move as cynical politics. Former President Trump, who said he

Starting point is 00:09:21 would reverse the order if elected, claimed that Biden was using the immigrants for political gain. But he's going to let everyone come in because you know what they're trying to do. They're trying to sign these people up and register them, Trump said during a rally in Wisconsin on Tuesday afternoon. Today, we'll cover what the left and the right are saying about Biden's new order and then Isaac's take. We'll be right back after this quick commercial break. Hey, everyone. I want to tell you about a fantastic podcast called Through Conversations. This platform is dedicated to exploring the truth through deep, engaging conversations with some of the most brilliant minds out there. I had the pleasure of being a

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Starting point is 00:10:51 Interior Chinatown is streaming November 19th, only on Disney+. The flu remains a serious disease. Last season, over 102,000 influenza cases have been reported across Canada, which is nearly double the historic average of 52,000 cases. What can you do this flu season? Talk to your pharmacist or doctor about getting a flu shot. Consider FluCellVax Quad and help protect yourself from the flu. It's the first cell-based flu

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Starting point is 00:11:51 In the New York Times, Farrah Stockman wrote, Biden courts some liberal love on immigration. In a certain way, it's a no-brainer. The undocumented spouses of American citizens are already eligible for citizenship, but they're required to leave the country to apply for a green card, a process that can take years. It's especially true for people who slipped across the border, rather than overstaying a visa, since they could be barred from reentry for up to 10 years. Now they'll be able to apply from the United States and work legally while they wait. For about a half a million American families, this is a game changer.

Starting point is 00:12:28 You don't have to be a raging ideologue to believe that there should be consequences for breaking the law. Plenty of Democrats feel that people who sneak across the border or overstay their visa should be required to make amends, even if that just means paying a civil fine. That's one reason Biden's permissive policies on immigration are endangering his bid for re-election, Stockman said. But the move to protect undocumented spouses is politically savvy. It's a family-oriented policy that makes makes a priority of the needs of American citizens, unlike those of his policies that have allowed nearly two million asylum seekers into the country in recent years. In MSNBC, Julio Ricardo Varela suggested Biden is learning a hard lesson that could make or break his campaign. The executive action President Biden announced on Tuesday is his boldest move on immigration ever. The overdue change is a new sign that President Biden has not given up on Latino voters in his

Starting point is 00:13:14 quest for a second term, Varela said. The new action gives him a clearer path to secure a larger share of the country's 36.2 million eligible Latino voters in 2024. That route looked less promising earlier this month, after Biden issued an executive order restricting asylum. That policy left many Latino voters even more frustrated with his lack of any clear contrast between Biden's views and those of Trump and the Republicans. To many, including myself, Biden's attempt to win over GOP allies with a tougher immigration stance failed. It was a legislative game that he could never win, even though he will claim Republicans caved in and reneged on a bipartisan immigration bill because Trump told them to, Varela wrote. For Biden to succeed, he needs a clearer contrast to Trump on immigration or his campaign allies, who will always call any migration a border invasion.

Starting point is 00:14:05 Tuesday's announcement gives Biden the foundations of a real contrast. In the New Republic, Greg Sargent said conservatives' ugly eruption over Biden's order has a hidden tell. Fox News is already erupting over the news that President Biden is granting legal protections to a half a million undocumented spouses of U.S. citizens. On the network, MAGA diehards are deriding the move as an illegal exercise of executive power, Sargent wrote. There's a key tale buried in all of this reaction. It seizes on this new Biden executive action to refocus the argument on the state of the border, which is not seriously relevant to the policy, as it grants relief to longtime immigrant residents.

Starting point is 00:14:49 This shows that Fox and MAGA cannot allow the immigration debate to focus on that population because it is largely viewed sympathetically by the voting public. This is something highly revealing about the Fox and MAGA dissent into such vile demagoguery. Miller, Trump, and others enthuse about launching mass deportations, but they often describe this as the removal of a dangerous, amorphous enemy class within. Biden's new move highlights that many of these people are deeply connected to U.S. communities and countless American families. These real people are harder to demagogue, so Republicans are shouting, look over there at that border instead. day. All right, that is it for what the left is saying, which brings us to what the right is saying. The right opposes the order, arguing it's a political ploy that doesn't address the immigration crisis. Some say the order tacitly incentivizes undocumented migration. Others suggest the move will fall flat

Starting point is 00:15:45 with voters. The Dallas Morning News editorial board said Biden errs with parole for undocumented spouses of U.S. citizens. Biden is taking a misguided shortcut on immigration policy in an attempt to mollify progressives who were angered by his recent asylum cap rule to stem illegal border crossings. Pathways already exist for undocumented immigrants married to U.S. citizens to obtain legal status. So we are left to conclude that the president is pursuing this policy mainly for political gain. This kind of sweeping immigration policy should be debated and shaped in Congress, the board wrote. Biden's executive action does nothing to address the roots of dysfunction in the U.S. immigration system.

Starting point is 00:16:30 It will almost certainly end up in a court challenge while sending mixed messages to people looking to immigrate here. Supporters of Biden's policy frame it as family reunification, even though existing federal rules create avenues for mixed-status families to stay together. People who overstay their visas and are married to U.S. citizens have a straightforward path to getting a green card. For spouses who enter the country illegally, that path is more complicated but not insurmountable, the board said. Strong border enforcement and the humane treatment of undocumented immigrants are not mutually exclusive. Still, Biden's latest move smells of political posturing rather than effective policymaking. In the Daily Signal, Simon Hankinson criticized Biden's outrageous use of a parole loophole to grant amnesty to illegal aliens. Congress intended immigration parole to be used by the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security to allow a few

Starting point is 00:17:17 hundred migrants a year into the country in exceptional circumstances, but the president has used it to create a string of McVisa programs, Hankinson said. This latest idea jammed through the parole loophole by Biden is called a parole in place. It's based on some bogus premises, starting with pretending that someone living in the U.S. illegally for more than a decade is applying for entry today. That would be like describing someone who showed up on your porch tomorrow but didn't ring the doorbell until 10 years later as a visitor. Biden's new amnesty once again subverts the will of Congress by treating an alien who is paroled the same as someone who is legally admitted, thus eliminating the three and 10-year bars to return, Hankinson wrote. This is not only unlawful and unfair, but will encourage yet more illegal immigration, fraud, and mass access to already stretched

Starting point is 00:18:05 federal and state benefits. It will also throw another half a million cases onto citizenship and immigration services' already impossible workload. In the Washington Examiner, Khan Carol wrote, the amnesties will continue until Biden's poll numbers improve. When President Barack Obama first announced his illegal deferred action for childhood arrivals program 12 years ago today, he could at least plausibly claim that his unilateral executive action was not an amnesty. The program President Joe Biden is announcing today another abuse of the parole authority is an amnesty, as it will create a path to citizenship for an estimated 500,000 illegal immigrants that did not exist

Starting point is 00:18:45 before, Carroll said. Biden is essentially creating brand new amnesty programs without congressional approval on the fly. Voters are not happy with Biden's border crisis. Democratic cities across the country are being bankrupted by the costs of having to house, feed, educate, and provide health care for the millions of migrants Biden is importing into the country, Carroll wrote. It is unclear who Biden thinks his new amnesty will impress. Voters who want to continue down the path of unlimited illegal immigration already know Biden is their candidate. It's hard to avoid the conclusion that Biden hopes that some of those he

Starting point is 00:19:19 is letting into the country illegally or setting on a path to citizenship will somehow convince others to vote for him or maybe vote illegally themselves. All right, let's head over to Isaac for his take. All right, that is it for what the left and the right are saying, which brings us to my take. So in the immigration space, policy debates like this are honestly the toughest for me to resolve. Polling shows that most Americans agree the border should be secure and we should create incentives for people to come here legally. Most Americans also agree that innocent children who are brought here illegally by their

Starting point is 00:20:05 parents and then grow up to know the U.S.'s home should be protected from deportation. In both cases, I am like most Americans. However, it gets a lot trickier when talking about expediting the path to legal residency or citizenship for many adults who knowingly broke the law. The most compelling argument to me in favor of this policy is that it applies to people who have been here for over 10 years and are already married to U.S. citizens, and in some cases have children who are U.S. citizens. People who will be similarly integrated into the United States as legal immigrants or longtime U.S. residents. It's also the case that nearly half of these people, roughly 245,000

Starting point is 00:20:46 of them, are not people who came here illegally as adults, but were brought here as children and are now DACA recipients. These aren't people passing through for work. They are people who, for various reasons, have made this country their home. Furthermore, federal law already allows U.S. citizens to petition for green cards for their spouses, even ones who came here or are staying here illegally. This new policy really just allows that process to take place without forcing applicants to leave the U.S. while it is underway. Given that this policy isn't granting spouses citizenship, it's only giving work permits while they go through an existing citizenship process,

Starting point is 00:21:25 it doesn't feel all that extreme. The Biden team has noted that internal polling shows granting legal status to spouses of U.S. citizens who entered the country illegally is actually supported by a majority of Americans, meaning this policy is pretty in line with what voters already believe. To me, that's the most supportive framing. Biden is enacting a policy that is popular with Americans, uses existing immigration systems as a tool for accomplishing it, and is really just allowing people who have been here for at least 10 years, are married to or the stepchildren of U.S. citizens, and who pass a background check to apply for legal work permits without being forced to leave the U.S. while they're doing it. The critical framing is that this policy is going to apply to half a million people, it could be illegal, and it has the most

Starting point is 00:22:10 basic immigration policy risk of all, moral hazard. In other words, it effectively rewards all the people who came here illegally or overstayed their visas just as long as they found a spouse and managed to avoid deportation for over 10 years. And while offering the benefit of a pathway to legal work or citizenship, the policy does not simultaneously provide any substitute punishment, like a fine or penalty of some kind, to replace the previous deterring, which was forcing people to leave the country for a period of time. Nor does it more narrowly apply to DACA recipients married to U.S. citizens, which would have been a more reasonable policy. I have not found a lot of great social science studies about the effect of policies like this, but immigration restrictionists have long argued that these

Starting point is 00:22:54 policies will encourage more illegal immigration. Prospective immigrants from Mexico or Central America who see this policy will get a pretty clear message. You can go through the legal process and wait years to get in line to get into the country, or you can come here illegally and bring your children with you, and if you find a spouse, you'll get a good shot at a path to citizenship or legal status down the road. Throughout U.S. history, immigration policy has had unintended consequences. More relaxed residency policies paired with a strict border policy, like the combination of this recent policy and Biden's policy on asylum earlier this month, have at times caused a boom in illegal immigration. At other times, the personal economic motivations for migrants

Starting point is 00:23:35 have completely trumped whatever the U.S. policies happen to be. See the spike in migration in 2019-2020 during Trump's time in office. It's hard to predict how this policy will play out. The domestic economic winds could change and illegal immigration could plummet, or the situation in Central and South American countries could worsen and immigration will continue to climb. Biden cracking down on asylum while creating these pathways for legal work could have no impact on that, or those policies could impact immigration greatly. could have no impact on that, or those policies could impact immigration greatly. I honestly just don't know. What I do have a strong opinion about is that our immigration policy should do a few things. It should secure the southern border with a robust system that can process the current

Starting point is 00:24:15 influx of migrants. It should deal humanely with the people who have already made America their home for long periods of time. It should create incentives and pathways for people to go through the legal application process for work or citizenship. Those are pretty broad statements, but if you're interested in reading more about those suggestions, I've gone into specifics before. You can see a link to my piece, My Solutions to the Border Crisis, in today's episode description. The upshot is that, to me, the combination of Biden's last two actions is directionally correct. Like the Dallas Morning News editorial board under what the right is saying, I'd much prefer these changes be a part of a legislative push by Congress, as this order has a good chance of being struck down in court. I also would prefer if this policy came after the

Starting point is 00:25:00 Biden administration got a grip on the southern border, not while they are trying to get a grip on it. But I understand Biden is navigating the politics of the moment by offering an olive branch to the left. On that, I'm skeptical of the timing and worry a lot about the long-term signals this sends, but also happy for the hundreds of thousands of people I genuinely think should have a path to legal work that doesn't require them spending three or ten years outside the U.S. It's worth remembering that policies like DACA were once unpopular and derided by moderate and conservative Americans, but eventually even conservatives like Fox News' Sean Hannity came

Starting point is 00:25:35 to support granting a pathway to citizenship. This policy may become more popular over time, too, but that's only going to happen if illegal immigration falls and some order returns to our system. We'll be right back after this quick break. Based on Charles Yu's award-winning book, Interior Chinatown follows the story of Willis Wu, a background character trapped in a police procedural who dreams about a world beyond Chinatown. When he inadvertently becomes a witness to a crime, Willis begins to unravel a criminal web, his family's buried history, and what it feels like to be in the spotlight. Interior Chinatown is streaming November 19th,

Starting point is 00:26:19 only on Disney+. The flu remains a serious disease. Last season, over 102,000 influenza cases have been reported across Canada, which is nearly double the historic average of 52,000 cases. What can you do this flu season? Talk to your pharmacist or doctor about getting a flu shot. Consider FluCellVax Quad and help protect yourself from the flu. It's the first cell-based flu vaccine authorized in Canada for ages 6 months and older, and it may be available for free in your province. Side effects and allergic reactions can occur and 100% protection is not

Starting point is 00:26:49 guaranteed. Learn more at flucellvax.ca. All right, that is it for my take, which brings us to your questions answered. This one's from Shruthi in Charlottesville, Virginia. Shruthi said, You've started to point out liberal reactions regarding court decisions that go against the outcome they want when the legal reasoning is sound. What do you think has caused this expectation among liberals, including liberal judges and justices, that outcomes have any impact on court decision. So I think there are a few factors at play here. First, it's possible that you're just noticing

Starting point is 00:27:30 this happening more with liberals right now during this court, which does lean more conservative. If the Supreme Court had been issuing a string of more liberal rulings, we could be focusing more on liberal interpretations, finding them convincing, and asking the same question about conservatives. Even likelier is that the court's docket would be filled with more liberal issues, and the court's interpretations in those cases would feel just as convincing. Second is motivated reasoning, which is when you have a conclusion you'd like to reach when you start your thought process, then you order your reasoning in a way that helps you get there. It's one of the most common effects of political bias that I know of, and everybody is guilty of it. In the court case we covered most

Starting point is 00:28:09 recently, I think it's very likely that liberals started out with the desire to see bump stocks banned and then reasoned accordingly. Conservatives also did this with the Mipha-Pristone ruling. I'm guilty of motivated reasoning too. We all are. Third is just a disagreement over the theory of how our laws or the Constitution ought to be interpreted. Most conservative judges and justices follow originalism, meaning they interpret legal text by the letter of what it says. Most liberals, however, practice textualism, meaning they interpret laws by their plain meaning, considering the context of the time and intent of its authors. To take Tuesday's bump stock ruling,

Starting point is 00:28:45 Justice Sotomayor and other liberals saw guns fitted with bump stocks as following under the plain meaning of 1934 ban on machine guns. Based on that difference, and against my first point, this difference in legal theory could explain what you're seeing. An originalist is less concerned with impacts and effects, but to a textualist, these are not external concerns, but part and parcel with their legal interpretations. But my guess is that it's a combination of all three. All right, that is it for Your Questions Answered. I'm going to send it back to John for the rest of the pod. Don't forget to go check out our latest video on the YouTube channel, and you guys will hear from us on Sunday. Have a good one. from us on Sunday. Have a good one. Thanks, Isaac. Here's your Under the Radar story for today,

Starting point is 00:29:36 folks. Pollution from the East Palestine, Ohio train derailment last year reached 16 states, according to a new study. After the train carrying toxic chemicals crashed, first responders decided to burn off hazardous materials that were escaping from punctured cars, creating a black cloud of smoke that spread across eastern Ohio and western Pennsylvania. Residents in the area reported rashes, headaches, and nausea as the smoke cloud grew. But those chemicals would go on to spread as far as 16 states, with some of the chemicals raining down in South Carolina, Wisconsin, and New England, authors of the new study said. It's not death and destruction. It's fairly low concentrations, but they are very high relative to the normal that we typically see. Some of the highest we've measured in the last 10 years, said David Gay, a lead author of the study. The Washington Post has this story, and there's a link in today's episode description.

Starting point is 00:30:29 link in today's episode description. All right, next up is our numbers section. The estimated number of undocumented immigrants married to American citizens in the U.S. is 1.1 million, according to fwd.us. The estimated number of children in the U.S. who have lived this type of mixed-status family is 600,000. The estimated number of undocumented immigrants married to American citizens who are DACA recipients is 90,000. The estimated number of undocumented immigrants married to American citizens who are DREAMers, immigrants who arrived in the U.S. before they were 18, is 245,000. The percentage of U.S. voters who say they'll support a program

Starting point is 00:31:02 to deport all undocumented immigrants living in the U.S. voters who say they'll support a program to deport all undocumented immigrants living in the U.S. illegally is 62 percent, according to a June 2024 poll from CBS News and YouGov. The percentage of conservatives who said they would support deporting all unauthorized immigrants is 88 percent. The percentage of liberals who said they would support deporting all unauthorized immigrants is 26 percent. The net support for President Biden's recent executive order shutting down asylum claims at the southern border is plus 13%, according to a June 2024 Monmouth University poll. And the percentage of Americans who say the executive order

Starting point is 00:31:37 is not tough enough on illegal immigration is 46%. All right, and last but not least, our Have a Nice Day story. Over the past 50 years, the time fathers have devoted to child care in the United States has tripled. In countries that offer paid paternity leave, that increase is even larger, and the effects of the increased quality time on children can be significant. Researchers observe improved health outcomes and cognitive development in children who had quality developmental time with their fathers. Additionally, a new study shows that the father's brain benefits from this quality time too. A collaboration between Californian and Spanish researchers showed daddy-baby time contributed to

Starting point is 00:32:19 growth in regions of the father's brain that contribute to visual processing, attention, and empathy toward the baby. Good Good Good has this story, and there's a link in today's episode description. All right, everybody, that is it for today's episode. As always, if you'd like to support our work, please go to readtangle.com and sign up for a membership. As Isaac said at the top, we have a new video about Juneteenth. You can go and check that out on our YouTube channel. And we're going to work out the placement of our Undecided series. I think we'll find a solution that satisfies everybody's needs.

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