Tangle - Chuck Schumer's rebuke of Netanyahu.

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Starting point is 00:02:03 we're going to be talking about Chuck Schumer and his comments on Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, started quite a bit of controversy here and abroad. Before we jump in, though, I want to give a quick heads up. This is a pretty cool thing that's happening. We are looking for an intern for this podcast and also for our YouTube channel simultaneously, we're looking for this part-time intern or an assistant to our YouTube and podcast producer, John Law. This is a paid position. It's ideally for a college student or recent college graduate that's looking to get some real-world deadline experience in the industry. Applicants must be proficient in Adobe Premiere and After Effects are a plus. They must have a minimum of one year of video editing experience. They must have a minimum of one year of audio editing and mixing, color grading preferred, good organizational and

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Starting point is 00:03:44 All right, with that out of the way, we're going to jump in today with some quick hits. First up, the United States Supreme Court appeared skeptical of arguments that the Biden administration coerced social media companies to remove content from their platforms. Number two, President Biden and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu held their first conversation in over a month. Separately, the Israeli military raided a northern Gaza hospital and says it killed a senior Hamas commander. Number three, former President Trump's lawyers said he was unable to secure a bond for his $454 million judgment in the New York civil fraud case.

Starting point is 00:04:25 Trump needs to pay the bond by March 25th, or he could begin having his assets seized by the state. Number four, the Environmental Protection Agency banned the last form of asbestos that are still being imported and used in the United States. And number five, Hong Kong's legislature unanimously passed a new national security bill that punishes offenses including treason, sabotage, sedition, and the theft of state secrets. Critics say the bill will erode civil rights, while supporters say it's necessary for national security. We begin our report with Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer's demand for a change of leadership in Israel. Delivering remarks from the Senate floor Thursday, Schumer asked the Israeli government to hold an election to determine the country's path forward amid its war with Hamas.

Starting point is 00:05:23 He also said that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is one of several obstacles in the way of peace in the conflict. Today, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu dismissed growing U.S. criticism of his leadership, his prosecution of the war with Hamas, and his plans for a military ground operation in Rafah. Netanyahu said international pressure would not deter him from carrying out the assault on Rafah and pressing for total victory. On Thursday, Senator Chuck Schumer, the Democrat from New York and the majority leader, called on Israel to hold new elections and describe Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

Starting point is 00:06:00 as an obstacle to peace in the Middle East. Schumer, the first Jewish Senate majority leader, a longtime supporter of Israel, and the highest-ranking Jewish official in the United States, broke from long-standing precedent for elected officials and heavily criticized Netanyahu in his 40-minute Senate speech. A quick reminder that Israel has parliamentary democracy, its federal representative body is the Knesset, and Israelis elect its members from party lists, not by voting for individuals. After an election, the Israeli president, a largely symbolic role, consults leaders of elected parties to form a majority coalition government led by a prime minister. Elections are held on a regular schedule, but the Knesset can call for early elections, and in recent years, there has been a lot of turmoil, with four different prime ministers,

Starting point is 00:06:48 including Netanyahu, twice in just the last four years. Schumer said that Netanyahu has become too reliant on a coalition of right-wing extremists, and as a result, he has been too willing to tolerate the civilian toll in Gaza, which is pushing support for Israel worldwide to historic lows. He also blamed Netanyahu for standing in the way of Palestinian statehood and a two-state solution and pointed the finger at Hamas and the Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas as well, saying that until they were all removed from the equation, there will never be peace in Israel and Gaza and the West Bank. On Friday, President Biden expressed support for Schumer, saying he made a good speech and had voiced serious concerns shared by many Americans. Netanyahu responded to

Starting point is 00:07:30 the speech in an interview with CNN. I think what he said is totally inappropriate, Netanyahu said. It's inappropriate to go to a sister democracy and try to replace the elected leadership there. That's something the Israeli public does on its own. We are not a banana republic. Netanyahu also told CNN that it was ridiculous to consider new elections while a war is ongoing and the threat from Hamas persists. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell criticized Schumer on the Senate floor immediately following the speech, saying Israel deserves an ally that acts like one and foreign observers shouldn't weigh in on their elections. Either we respect their decisions or we disrespect their democracy, McConnell said. One recent poll in Israel showed 51% of Israelis would like early elections, while 39% opposed the idea. A new coalition government would likely not include Netanyahu

Starting point is 00:08:19 as prime minister. Today, we're going to explore some reactions to the speech with views from the right and the left here in the U.S. and two perspectives from the Middle East. We'll be right back after this quick commercial break. First up, we'll start with what the right is saying. The right thinks Schumer's comments were a cynical political play to shore up Democratic voter support. Others say Schumer's vision for Israel would threaten its security. In the New York Post, Rich Lowry said Schumer sold out Israel for Democratic votes. The speech, calling for Israeli Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu

Starting point is 00:09:02 to go, along with increasingly critical statements by the White House, shows that the Democrats have decided that appeasing their left-wing base in an election year is now their top consideration, Lowry said. As a matter of basic decency, this is not something that allies do to one another, especially not in wartime. Present unvarnished views in private? Absolutely. Try to nudge a partner toward a favor policy? Sure. But blast a friendly government in hopes that it can be toppled via a new election,

Starting point is 00:09:31 just months after suffering a monstrous terrorist attack and as it is still trying to destroy a terrorist group deeply embedded in an urban environment? No, Lowry said. It is easy sitting in Washington, D.C. and worrying about how to placate the anti-Israel uncommitted voters in the Democratic primary to forget the shock of the massive pogrom carried out by Hamas on that infamous day in October. Israelis, though, aren't going to forget, nor should they. In town hall, Jonathan Feldstein wrote about Schumer's undemocratic, dangerous anti-Israel diatribe. Calling for a two-state solution, Schumer expressed concern that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was creating a de facto single state, thereby suggesting that Hamas and other Islamist terrorists would legitimately have no reasonable expectation to make peace.

Starting point is 00:10:17 In other words, terror is acceptable, as long as Israel does what the terrorists don't like. Forget the embarrassing, mindless repetition of U.S. administration policy, whose mantra of a two-state solution is neither practical nor possible under current circumstances. The fact is that even discussing this less than six months after the Hamas massacre in Israel on October 7th is a reward to all terrorists. As much as these Democratic Party leaders all seem to be reading from the same script, Senator Schumer's remarks were particularly treacherous. Schumer conflated the obstacles to peace by suggesting that Prime Minister Netanyahu and his government were as bad as Hamas, Abbas, and the Palestinian Authority, Feldstein said.

Starting point is 00:10:56 Not only is it deeply wrong for an American politician or anyone else to stick his nose into domestic affairs of another democratic country, it is counterproductive. Alright, that is it for what the right is saying, which brings us to what the left is saying. The left says Schumer's remarks captured the current feelings of pro-Israel liberals about the war. Others say Schumer was right to warn current feelings of pro-Israel liberals about the war. Others say Schumer was right to warn Israel that it is becoming a pariah. In the Washington Post, E.J. Dion suggested Schumer said out loud what many of Israel's friends are thinking. We live in a time when crass political motives are regularly ascribed to whatever elected officials do, but there was no guaranteed political upside to this speech.

Starting point is 00:11:44 It immediately earned criticism from both Republicans as interfering in Israeli politics and from parts of the Democratic left for being insufficiently critical of Israel and lacking policy specifics on ending the war, Dion Jr. said. What the speech does represent is a watershed. For him to split with Netanyahu so sharply and so publicly speaks to the profound change in opinion among Israel's sympathizers since the Gaza war began. That Schumer reflected a current running deep among traditionally pro-Israel Democrats was brought home Friday when President Biden called his effort a good speech. Far from being an attack on Israel, it was an attempt to shore

Starting point is 00:12:20 up support for the Jewish state, particularly among young Americans who have known Israel only under Netanyahu's leadership. In The Intercept, Murtaza Hussein said the pro-Israel right wants to eat its cake too. Despite its otherwise pro-Israel tone, Schumer's speech predictably triggered outrage among staunch pro-Israel Republicans, including many neoconservatives, Hussein said. These arguments could perhaps be respected were it not for the massive, regular, and institutionalized intervention in U.S. political life carried out by the Israeli government and its supporters, which has successfully turned the affairs of a small country on the eastern Mediterranean into one of the most important domestic political issues in America. Netanyahu himself has shown no embarrassment about his own

Starting point is 00:13:04 intervention in American politics, delivering rapturous speeches lobbying the U.S. Congress to legislate in favor of Israel and essentially endorsing his favored political candidates for office during U.S. elections, Hussein said. The Senate majority leader's comments should not be taken as an affront to engineer a color revolution on the streets of Tel Aviv, but rather a last attempt to prevent Israel from descending to a level of ostracism from which even the U.S. would strain to rescue it. All right, that is it for some opinions on the right and the left, and today we're going to

Starting point is 00:13:45 share a couple opinions from writers in the Middle East. First, we'll start with the Jerusalem Editorial Board, which said, don't interfere in Israel's politics. In the complex realm of international relations, the urge to advocate for democracy and peace is noble, but the path to such ideals must be taken carefully, respecting the sovereignty and will of each nation's people, the board said. Schumer's intentions, rooted in a long history of support for Israel, reflect a genuine desire for peace and stability in the region. But intervening in the political process of another democracy, especially an ally like Israel, raises significant concerns about respect for self-determination and the potential

Starting point is 00:14:25 for unintended consequences. While Israel voices can play a role in encouraging dialogue and peace, the decision-making power ultimately lies with the citizens in question, the board said. Most Israelis reject a two-state solution, so promoting one must honor the principles of sovereignty and self-determination. Let's encourage dialogue, support, and cooperation, but also remember the importance of allowing nations to chart their own course democratically. In Newsweek, Palestinian journalist Aoud Khattab said Schumer's speech gave me hope. Breaking news happens anywhere, anytime. Police have warned the protesters repeatedly, get back. CBC News brings the story to you as it happens. Hundreds of wildfires are burning.

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Starting point is 00:16:13 Senator Schumer didn't just give lip service to the idea of an independent Palestinian state. He gave theoretical backing to Palestinian peoplehood, Khattab wrote. Schumer's call for a change in Palestinian leadership was similar to his call for the same in Israel, reflecting not interference in anyone's affairs, but a correct observation of the aspirations of most Israelis and Palestinians. Palestinians and Israelis are not going anywhere. The only way to reach genuine peace is to understand, respect, and accommodate the legitimate rights of a proud Palestinian people. Radicalism breeds radicalism, and moderation begets moderation, Khattab said. The unexpectedly courageous words of Senator Schumer have brought both peoples closer to the reality of peace

Starting point is 00:16:55 with justice based on two states for two proud people. All right, that is it for some takes from the left and the right in the Middle East, which brings us to my take. So the most important thing about Senator Chuck Schumer's speech is that he is right. Conservatives often preach to the left about how important it is to say the true thing, even when it's difficult or uncomfortable. Ben Shapiro's famous saying that facts don't care about feelings might as well be one of the Ten Commandments on the right, and for good reason. We should be unafraid of saying true things, even if they are difficult or offensive. Why would such an ideology or worldview extend all the way up to foreign policy on Israel and then stop dead in its tracks? Here are some facts. Even before October 7, Netanyahu was a

Starting point is 00:17:52 failed leader facing legitimate accusations of corruption whose policy proposals had become so toxic that Israel was the most divided it had been in decades, with hundreds of thousands of people literally out in the streets protesting his leadership on a weekly basis. Under his stewardship, Netanyahu propped up Hamas and undermined the Palestinian Authority in an attempt to buy peace in the region rather than build it. His administration was either so incompetent or so distracted by his attempted judicial overhaul that they failed to deter an attack they'd been warned about a year before. I didn't agree with everything Senator Schumer said. It was a 40-minute speech, and you should watch it if you haven't. But I think he gave a clear-eyed assessment of

Starting point is 00:18:35 Benjamin Netanyahu's leadership, and I think he was right to deliver it to the public. Some days when I do this work, I feel quite torn about who is making the strongest argument. But today, so many of the arguments from the right have left me feeling a little bit baffled. National Review's editors claim that what he did was, quote, nothing short of calling for the collapse of a democratically elected government, end quote. Noah Rothman said Schumer, quote, tacitly blamed Jews, end quote, for defending themselves. Darvio Moro quoted another elected official saying Schumer has no right to denounce Israel or its government. Please. Since when is encouraging elections anti-democratic?

Starting point is 00:19:17 He did not call for the collapse of a democratically elected government. He called for democracy. Polling shows quite clearly that Netanyahu is both strongly disliked and distrusted by the Israeli public and that a majority of Israelis want elections to happen now. Saying Israelis should hold another election and move on from Netanyahu is not the same thing as exercising a coup. And criticizing Israeli politicians directly is not unlike the way Netanyahu often criticizes American politicians directly. Schumer did not tacitly blame Jews. He blamed Netanyahu for his failed policies and the security failures of October 7th, which makes him exactly like the huge majority of the Israeli

Starting point is 00:19:58 public. And he insisted that peace could not exist with Hamas and the Palestinian Authority in power either, something Netanyahu obviously agrees with. In fact, much of Schumer's speech was in line with standard Zionism, emphasizing Jews' right to be in Israel, Hamas' culpability for civilian deaths in Gaza, and inciting this war, and the need for a future with new Palestinian leadership ushered in with the help of Arab partners. The idea that Schumer, the Senate majority leader of Israel's largest ally, has no right to speak on those issues or criticize Israel's government is also patently absurd. As he said at the beginning of his speech, he was speaking for himself, his constituents, and the many Americans and Israelis who agree with him.

Starting point is 00:20:42 That his speaking out carries more weight only impacts the power of what he said, not his right to say it. Not only is Schumer a high-ranking American senator who has backed Israel in nearly unconditional fashion, he's the highest-ranking Jewish member of Congress ever, with deep connections to the Jewish state, who has every right to speak on it. Perhaps one of the worst arguments, the one made by nearly every commentator criticizing Schumer, is that he shouldn't be giving this speech during wartime. The idea is that disrupting the politics of Netanyahu's leadership while Israel tries to defeat Hamas is somehow extra dangerous. The implication is that everyone knows Netanyahu's

Starting point is 00:21:20 political career is over when this war ends, so let him do the job and then deal with it. So let me ask this. What is more dangerous, calling for elections during wartime or a leader whose political future depends on an ongoing war? Netanyahu knows, and these commentators buttress the point, that as long as the war in Gaza goes on, he is less likely to be removed. That is all the more reason to put a coalition government in place whose leader isn't relying on this conflict to stay in power. Again, Schumer is right. And guess what? It is okay for us to speak honestly about these things. It's okay for us to tell the truth not just about our adversaries, but our allies and their leaders.

Starting point is 00:22:02 The fact that it is long-standing U.S. policy, as CNN put it, not to say a critical word about the prime minister of Israel, no matter what is happening, is actually very bad policy. Being allies doesn't mean being blind to reality. It doesn't mean acquiescing to your partner's every whim. It doesn't mean unconditional, uncritical support. Former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak recently wrote one of the best pieces I've seen about the choices facing Netanyahu and the decisions he's making. He offered Netanyahu a choice to adopt a U.S.-backed strategy right now to determine what happens next in Gaza or capitulate to the small, radical right-wing coalition he needs to get re-elected.

Starting point is 00:22:42 Barak writes, quote, If Netanyahu acquiesces to Washington, he risks losing support of those far-right figures, which would spell the end of his government. If he continues to reject Biden's approach, Netanyahu risks dragging Israel deeper into the mud in Gaza, sparking a third intifada in the West Bank, entering another war with Hezbollah, the Iran-backed Lebanese militia, deeply damaging relations with the United States on which Israel relies for munitions, financial support, and crucial diplomatic backing, jeopardizing the so-called Abraham Accords that normalize Israel's relations with Bahrain,

Starting point is 00:23:16 Morocco, Sudan, and the United Arab Emirates, and the hopes of Saudi Arabia joining the club, and even casting doubt on Israel's long-standing peace agreements with Egypt and Jordan. Any one of these outcomes would be dreadful. Any combination of them would be a historic disaster, end quote. Right now, Netanyahu is barreling toward the combination of those outcomes, a historic disaster. Schumer is encouraging the Israeli people to stop him. And again, he's right to. I'll even take it a step further. Schumer or Biden should continue speaking to the Israeli public like this. They should ramp

Starting point is 00:23:51 it up. Any U.S. leader would be perfectly within their rights to give this speech in Israel. In 2015, Netanyahu came to the U.S. on the invitation of a few Republicans and delivered a speech to Congress in an attempt to undercut then-President Barack Obama's negotiations on the Iran nuclear deal, one of Obama's signature foreign policy efforts. That was the leader of an allied nation lobbying our government on our own policies. Now Netanyahu is upset about Schumer giving a speech, not to the Knesset, but to the U.S. Senate, the chamber he is the majority leader of after everything that has transpired. As I said in my piece advocating for a ceasefire from the Zionist perspective,

Starting point is 00:24:31 it is not October 8th anymore. It's been nearly six months. It is okay for us to start talking about the future and to start holding Netanyahu to account. In fact, it is long overdue. This is worth saying because it is important. Netanyahu should go down as the worst leader in Israeli history. Even before he oversaw the greatest security failure since its founding, he was on the short list. Now it should be definitive. And his record will not only get worse if he continues this response to Hamas's October 7th attack, which is not just decimating Gaza but causing Israel on the world's stage, even among its staunchest allies, and his record will only get worse if he continues this

Starting point is 00:25:10 response to Hamas's October 7th attack, which is not just decimating Gaza but causing Israel on the world's stage, even among its staunchest allies, like New York Democratic Senator Chuck Schumer. The sooner the Israeli public gets a chance to hold Netanyahu to account, the better. Saying that clearly and decisively is the right thing to do, and American officials, especially the ones who have long been supportive of Israel, should have no fear speaking the truth. We'll be right back after this quick break. All right, that is it for my take. We are skipping today's reader question because our pod got a little bit long, which brings us to our under the radar section.

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Tangle - Chuck Schumer's rebuke of Netanyahu.

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