Tangle - Content moderation changes at Meta.

Episode Date: January 8, 2025

On Tuesday, Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg announced that the company will end its fact-checking program across Instagram, Facebook and Threads, instead instituting a feature similar to X’s “Community Notes,” which crowdsources content reviews. The company will also relax limitations on controversial topics, like immigration and gender identity, and will allow for more political content to appear on users’ feeds. Furthermore, Zuckerberg announced that Meta will work with President-elect Donald Trump to combat censorship across the world.Ad-free podcasts are here!Many listeners have been asking for an ad-free version of this podcast that they could subscribe to — and we finally launched it. You can go to tanglemedia.supercast.com to sign up!You can read today's podcast⁠ ⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠, our “Under the Radar” story ⁠here and today’s “Have a nice day” story ⁠here⁠.Take the survey: What do you think Meta’s content moderation should look like? Let us know!You can subscribe to Tangle by clicking here or drop something in our tip jar by clicking here. Our podcast is written by Isaac Saul and edited and engineered by Dewey Thomas. Music for the podcast was produced by Diet 75. Our newsletter is edited by Managing Editor Ari Weitzman, Will Kaback, Bailey Saul, Sean Brady, and produced in conjunction with Tangle’s social media manager Magdalena Bokowa, who also created our logo. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Facebook's moderation changes, the abandonment of its fact checking program across Instagram, Facebook, and threads, and their decision to institute a feature similar to community notes on X. A pretty interesting story, a lot going on here, especially politically. So excited to dive into that. Before we do though, a couple of things.

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With that, I'm going to pass it over to John for today's main show and I'll be back for my take and your questions answered. Thanks, Isaac, and welcome everybody. Here are your quick hits for today. First up, the Palisades fires spread rapidly across Los Angeles County, covering nearly 3,000 acres as of Wednesday morning. Authorities have evacuated more than 30,000 people, and approximately 10,000 homes are considered threatened. Number two, in a news conference on Tuesday, President-elect Donald Trump discussed his goal of gaining

control of Greenland and the Panama Canal, saying he would not rule out the use of military force to do so. Trump also suggested using economic force to compel Canada to become a U.S. state and said he would change the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America. 3. Judge Eileen Cannon temporarily blocked Special Counsel Jack Smith from releasing his report on the investigations into President-elect Trump's election interference and classified documents cases.

The order will remain in effect while a federal appeals court hears a challenge to the report's release. Separately, Trump filed a request with the Supreme Court to block his sentencing in his hush money case scheduled for January 10. 4. The House of Representatives passed the Laken Reilly Act, named after the Georgia student who was murdered by an unauthorized migrant, requiring the Department of Homeland Security to detain unauthorized migrants accused of theft, burglary, or shoplifting.

The bill passed with bipartisan support and will now be taken up by the Senate. And number five, a 7.1 magnitude earthquake struck southern Tibet, killing at least 126 people and injuring 188 others. Breaking news, just moments ago Facebook announced it is getting rid of fact checkers and also making major changes to what content is allowed. This is just the latest move as Facebook's parent company, Meta, and founder Mark Zuckerberg, work to very publicly win favor with Donald Trump. More specifically, here's what we're going to do. First, we're going to get rid of fact-checkers and replace them with community notes,

similar to X, starting in the U.S. We tried in good faith to address those concerns without becoming the arbiters of truth. But the fact checkers have just been too politically biased and have destroyed more trust than they've created, especially in the U.S. On Tuesday, Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg announced that the company will end its fact checking program across Instagram, Facebook and threads, instead instituting a feature similar to X's community notes, which crowdsources content reviews. The company will also relax limitations on controversial topics like immigration and gender identity, and will allow for more political content to appear on users' feeds. Furthermore, Zuckerberg announced that Metta will work with President-elect Donald Trump to combat censorship across the world. A little history here.

Facebook was founded in 2004, but it did not publish a set of community standards until 2010. The company acquired Instagram in 2012, then started reviewing content with third-party fact-checkers in 2016. Since then, Facebook has sparked controversy through decisions to censor stories

about Hunter Biden's laptop and numerous posts during the COVID-19 pandemic. In August of 2024, Zuckerberg wrote a letter to Congress apologizing for censoring posts, saying that the company had bowed to government pressure about how to moderate content during the pandemic. Zuckerberg characterized the changes as a trade-off between catching less bad stuff

while allowing for more freedom for users to post without repercussions. In recent years, we've developed increasingly complex systems to manage content across our platforms, partly in response to societal and political pressure to moderate content. This approach has gone too far, Meta Chief Global Affairs Officer Joel Kaplan added in a statement. The change presents a major shift in policy and further indicates the company's willingness to work with the incoming Trump administration.

Last week, Zuckerberg hired Kaplan, who worked in the George W. Bush administration, to be Meta's Chief of Global Affairs. On Tuesday, Kaplan announced Meta's new policies on Fox News, where he complimented X's community notes moderation feature. Metta also announced that it is moving its content moderation team from California to Texas, as Elon Musk recently did with X. President-elect Trump and other Republicans mostly praised the move.

I think they have come a long way, Facebook, Metta," Trump said at a press conference. Conversely, Metta's change of direction has invited criticism and fears about the online spread of misinformation. This type of wisdom-of-the-crowd approach can be really valuable, said Valerie Wirtzchafter, a fellow at the Brookings Institute. But doing so without proper testing and viewing its viability around scale is really, really irresponsible. Meta's already having a hard time dealing with bad content as it is, and it's going to get even worse. Today, we'll cover what the right and the left are saying about Meta's new policies, and then Isaac's take.

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though many say the decision does not undo the harm done by the company's past policies. Some argue Zuckerberg's change, of course, is a massive rebuke of the left. Others say the tech executives' apparent shift right highlights more troubling issues. In Fox News, Jonathan Turley suggested Metta's changes could be truly transformational.

In the last few years, a mix of house investigations and litigation has forced more of the censorship system under the Biden administration into public view. That is expected to draw even greater attention with the continued discovery in Missouri vs Biden, showing years of false statements about the extent of this government-corporate alliance across social media platforms," Turley wrote. While Zuckerberg portrayed Metta as an unwilling partner in this censorship system in his Tuesday video, he and the company ignored several years of objections from many of us regarding

the critical role the company plays in targeting and censoring opposing viewpoints. Around the world, free speech is in a freefall. Speech crimes and censorship have become the norm in the West. A new industry of disinformation experts has commoditized censorship, making millions in the targeting and silencing of others. An anti-free speech culture has taken root in government, higher education and the media, Turley said.

We will either hold the line now or lose this indispensable right for future generations. Zuckerberg could make this a truly transformative moment, but it will take more than a passing meta culpa. In the Daily Caller, Gage Clipper called the move a seismic shift against censorship. The decision is an overdue recognition of the obvious and a vindication of everything the right's been saying about censorship within Big Tech for the past several years. Government and media were the bad actors all along, weaponizing empathy for others along with the threat of federal regulation to force tech companies into doing their work that

the First Amendment precludes," Clipper wrote. The objective fact-checkers were nothing more than far-left hacks, poisoning the body politic in the name of truth and justice. But open discourse doesn't mean content moderation, and the correct answer to social discord is always more speech. This is an epic indictment of all the forces of censorship in America. Zuckerberg was their guy. He had forsaken his early commitment to free expression

to become the enforcement arm of the government's unofficial disinformation bureau. His nearly unlimited reach and resources would ensure progressives thousand-year Reich. Now that he's turned, there's no more credible person to reveal who these nefarious actors really are. He pulled back the veil in under five minutes. In national review, Noah Rothman said, just two cheers for Facebook. It's possible to welcome the salubrious shifts in corporate behavior we've seen from places like Silicon Valley in the wake of Donald Trump's election, and to be disturbed by the degree to which private enterprise feels it must get right with the people in power if it is to avoid negative outcomes, Rothman wrote.

It is highly likely that Facebook's decision to shift to an X-style fact-checking regime moderated by the community, thus outsourcing responsibility for potentially erroneous checks onto a nebulous community, is primarily a response to Mark Zuckerberg's competitors in the social media space. It's also unlikely that Zuckerberg is wholly unresponsive to the threats to his firm Trump has retailed for years. We should not conclude that the changes Facebook is making to its content moderation are going

to be permanent if they are a response to one election. If the censorious regime to which the institution committed itself at the end of the last decade was an outgrowth of the left's political capture of the institution in the sense that Democrats would soon control the levers of power, we can expect to see that pendulum shift again along with political wins," Rothman said. This is all a rational response to a government that enjoys far too much power and influence over private commercial enterprises. If the prevailing corporate culture in America must reflect whatever the party in power in

Washington believes, we should withhold that third cheer for Zuckerberg's maneuver. [♪ music playing, beat drops to beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat of the beat brings us to what the left is saying. The left opposes the move, suggesting it is motivated by political expediency. Some argue that Zuckerberg's decision is not a reversal, but a reminder that he has no free speech principles at all. Others say the move will have far-reaching consequences for politics around the world. In The Guardian, Chris Stokle Walker called Metta's decision an extinction-level event for truth on social media. Less than two weeks before Donald Trump returns to the White House for a second crack at the

U.S. presidency, Metta, the parent company of Facebook, WhatsApp, Instagram, and Threads, has made major changes to content moderation and in doing so appears to align itself with the views of the incoming president, Stokelwocker said. The platform is getting rid of its 40,000-strong content moderation team. In their place, mob rule. The most dog-whistled comment was a throwaway remark that Metta would be moving what remained of its trust and safety and content moderation teams out of liberal California and its U.S. content moderation team would now be based in staunchly Republican Texas.

To be clear, all business people make shrewd moves to accommodate the political weather, and there are few more violent storms than Hurricane Trump approaching the U.S. But few people's decisions matter more than Mark Zuckerberg, Stuckelwocker wrote. The Meta CEO has found himself in the past 21 years, a central part of our society. Initially, he oversaw a website that was used by college students. Now it's used by billions of us from all walks of life.

Where Meta goes, the world, online and offline, follows. And Meta has just decided to take a drastic, dramatic handbrake turn to the right. In Bloomberg, Dave Lee wrote, Metta's fact-checking reversal lets Zuckerberg drop the charade. Zuckerberg said he would now work on issues of free speech with Trump, who, just four years ago, was considered too dangerous even to be a Metta user, Lee said. There is a view that Zuckerberg has shamefully abandoned his values in fear of Trump and

in the hope that cozying up will be good for business. But it would be wrong to believe Zuckerberg ever truly held those values in the first place, and he's finally found the political cover needed to drop a years-long charade on safety and shed any pretense about being responsible for the accuracy of information that users see. Really, what the moment allows is for Zuckerberg to claim a different kind of victory by throwing in accusations that its fact-checkers were politically biased," Lee wrote. What we're seeing in Silicon Valley above all else is a backlash to the accountability

of the Biden era. A big part of that, as evidenced by his legacy media job, is Zuckerberg's belief, shared by many in the tech business as though it were gospel, that editors and publishers sent reporters out like attack dogs to take down Betta's business so that old media could somehow return to its glory years. It is ludicrous, of course,

but it has given many tech leaders the excuse they need to treat bad press as disingenuous attacks rather than an examination of their actions and character. In Heist, Torsten Baic said, Zuckerberg risks digital chaos. Zuckerberg speaks of a triumph of freedom of opinion and speech, but the reality is different. Social networks such as Facebook and Instagram are not neutral. They are driven by algorithms that maximize interactions. The more polarizing and emotional the content, the greater its reach. Without moderation, this effect will explode.

The result? A flood of disinformation, hate speech, and radicalization," Baik wrote. Anyone who believes that a free platform automatically leads to better discourse is ignoring experience. 4chan or telegrams show where this leads. Toxic spaces that are abused by extremist groups. Meta is not a hobby project, but one of the most powerful communication platforms. Zuckerberg has a responsibility to his users and to society. Its platforms shape public debates and influence how we communicate with each other. Zuckerberg has a responsibility to his users and to society.

Its platforms shape public debates and influence how we communicate with each other. Abolishing moderation in this context opens the door to manipulation, hatred, and chaos, Baker said. The invocation of freedom of speech is pure window dressing. True freedom of speech does not mean that every lie and every hate comment can be spread unfiltered. Rather, it requires a space in which fact-based discussions are possible. All right, let's head over to Isaac for his take.

All right, that is it for what the left and the right are saying, which brings us to my take. So, as many of you know, though I'm sure many of you also don't know, I played competitive ultimate frisbee for many years. I also coached it. And one of the unique aspects of ultimate as a sport, aside from the superior instrument of play that is a frisbee, is that even the most elite levels of Ultimate

are self-officiated. Players call their own fouls and violations. They follow a rule book with instructions for what to do in situations where they disagree on what happened. The entire sport is built on this honor system that is very corny named Spirit of the Game. And in most cases, it actually works pretty well. Today, at the most elite levels,

non-active referees called observers are on the field to help resolve disputes and clarify the rules in cases where players can't come to their own resolution. But a new pro league about 10 years ago popped up with actual referees clad in black and white shirts, whistles, making active calls like in other major professional sports.

This development threw gasoline on this long burning debate among athletes in ultimate over whether observers or referees were better, which for me is what immediately came to mind when I read about the fact checking versus community note debate that's taking place right now. Personally, I've always been pro observer. I think it's the better system because it allows players to manage the game themselves, to call the kinds of fouls that refs constantly miss.

Having played in both systems, I can assure you, more violations get missed with refs. And it demands a level of accountability, honesty, and honor among participants that referees does not. In fact, refs engender almost the complete opposite. They provide an incentive to see how much you can get away with without getting caught – a game I happily play in refereed sports.

For many of the same reasons, I am very supportive of a community note system over a professional fact-checker system. Users are often better at policing their own feeds than a relatively small group of empowered and often beleaguered fact-checkers. Not only are there more of them, but they will often have more immediate context for the posts they are reading.

And if the audience is somewhat balanced, community source fact-checking will have diversity of thought too. Watching Zuckerberg's video yesterday, I agreed with most of what he said. Facebook went too far in the direction of policing its users, which created too much censorship and destroyed its trust and credibility with too many people. So on net, I'm supportive of this change. As someone running a politics news organization, I'm also supportive of the decision to allow political content to proliferate more on the platform.

Facebook had good reason to initiate its content moderation changes, its engagement-based ranking of civic posts literally contributed to a genocide in Myanmar. But some of those changes also removed news from people's feeds, which legitimately helped destroy the last media company that I worked for. At its best, I think Facebook is a much better platform for sharing news, commenting, and interacting with readers than X or Instagram. So I would personally be happy to see news stories come back as a user too. Still, I have some concerns, starting with the overtly political nature of the decision. As Dave Lee noted under what the left is saying, Zuckerberg has gone from thinking Trump was

too dangerous to be on the platform four years ago to following his lead on how to run the platform now. I've always thought that Zuckerberg's decisions are motivated more by navigating the political climate than following his own moral compass. He's made it very clear he is making this decision in concert with the incoming Trump administration. He pledged to work with the president-elect, rolled this out right after Trump's election, hired Joel Kaplan, who has close ties to the Trump administration, had Kaplan make the

announcement on Fox News, and then bookended the announcement by meeting with Trump and adding Trump ally, Dana White, to Metta's board. He was also misleading in how he framed the issue. As the executive director of PolitiFact noted, it was Facebook, not the fact checkers, who decided how to penalize users for their posts. Zuckerberg tries to blame fact checkers for actions Facebook took, but in reality, all the fact checkers were doing was adding context and alerting Facebook to posts that might contain misinformation. Whether you are upset by the proliferation of misinformation or the censorship of conservatives, Facebook not fact-checkers or news organizations or the Biden administration holds responsibility

for that. This all comes just days after Elon Musk announced X would start promoting more positive content and start downgrading negative content without really defining what either of those are. The pair of changes coming right as a new president enters office that both men are clearly currying favor with unsettles me. Just as so many people fretted over the Biden administration working too closely with social media platforms like Facebook to censor content, we should all be worried about the wealthiest people in the world, overseeing the most powerful information distribution systems in the world, working hand in hand with this president.

Lastly, even if it's better than authoritative fact checkers, X's community notes system has a lot of room for improvement. Primarily, it is too slow. The feature often needs 24 to 48 hours before a post gets a note under it warning users that it is overtly and obviously false. By then it usually has millions of views and the truth never gets the chance to catch up. There is no great hack to end misinformation and any system will have flaws. In my opinion, the best way to fight misinformation is to teach people to spot lies, think critically

and ask questions. Empowering users with a community note system is one way to do that. But to improve upon what X has built, Meta should focus on supplying context more quickly when a post is tagged for review, which will help prevent false or misleading information from going viral for long periods of time before getting a community note.

I might suggest using those maligned fact checkers somewhere in the review process and having their work shown in collaboration with the community. But that will all be up to Metta, a company that now has the unenviable job of rolling out a new system they have not yet tested and only recently announced in a politically charged moment, just as Trump takes office for the second time. I'll be watching, of course, and hoping for the best. We'll be right back after this quick break.

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treatment plan that pairs your healthy lifestyle with a little help and a little extra support. Start your visit today at felix.ca. That's felix.ca. That is it for my take, which brings us to your questions answered. This one's from Nicholas in Woeburn, Massachusetts. Nicholas said, Can Donald Trump actually block congestion pricing in New York? Good question. Despite saying he will, no, not anymore. Trump can't directly stop New York's congestion pricing plan at this point. In November, when New York Governor Kathy Hochul, the Democrat, said she would institute

the plan after pausing it in June, Republican lawmakers in New York appealed to President-elect Trump, asking him to block the plan. At the time, he still could have after taking office. Congestion pricing was approved in New York City in April, 2019, and since the law affects interstate commerce, it then required the approval of the Federal Transit Authority, FTA, and sign off from the president.

Huckle unpaused the program in November, and that's when Trump and Republicans came out vowing to block it. However, later that month, Biden and the FTA authorized the program, which meant Trump could no longer block it or delay it with a lengthier environmental review process. GOP lawmakers accused Biden of conspiring with Hocal

by rushing the review process so that New York could institute the plan before Trump took office, but there isn't much they can do now. The plan has survived its remaining legal challenges and is now law in New York. In theory, Trump, who, remember, is a native New Yorker, still has the option of challenging the law through the courts. He can direct the Justice Department to sue, claiming the policy is an unconstitutional violation of interstate commerce, claiming, for instance, that New Jersey residents are unfairly impacted and did not have a vote on the matter. Since similar lawsuits already failed, though, he would have to get creative. I don't really know what a new federal challenge could

look like, but I guess it would follow the president-elect appointing a new district judge who is unsympathetic to congestion pricing before introducing a lawsuit. All of that could end up taking years. So if you're a New Yorker hoping that Trump can stop the plan, you should probably just buckle up and start saving some of your pocket change for those tolls. All right, that is it for your questions answered. I'm going to send it back to John for the rest of the pod and I'll see you guys tomorrow peace Thanks, Isaac here's your under the radar story for today folks a new study from Cornell University and numerator found that US households with at least one person taking

GLP-1 drugs such as as Ozempic and Wegovi, reduced their spending on grocery items by roughly 6% within six months of starting on the medication. Purchases of processed foods dropped even more significantly, including an 11% decline in savory snacks. The data suggests increasing adoption of weight-loss drugs is beginning to affect consumer behavior. Approximately 15 million U.S. adults currently take GLP-1 medications, and Morgan Stanley analysts predict the global market for obesity drugs will reach $105 billion by 2030. Food Dive has this story, and there's a link in today's episode's description. All right, next up is our numbers section.

The approximate proportion of posts removed by meta in December 2024 that the company says were removed by mistake was 2 out of 10. The percent reduction in belief in false headlines when accompanied by warning labels from professional fact-checkers is 27.6% according to a September 2024 study published in Nature Human Behavior. The percentage of Americans who support tech companies moderating false information online is 65% according to a July 2023 Pew Research Survey. The approximate number of contributors

to X's community notes feature as of May 2024 is 500,000, according to the company. The approximate number of community notes on posts on X in 2023 was 37,000. The approximate number of times those community notes were viewed in 2023 was 14 billion. The approximate percent decrease in reposts after a post received a community note on X is 50%. And the approximate percent increase in post deletions after a post received a community note on X is 80%.

And last but not least, our Have a Nice Day story. Around the world, individuals are training for a new kind of race, the World Plogging Championship. Far from a typical race, plogging, an idea that originated in Sweden, entails picking up litter while jogging. Around 2 million people worldwide currently report participating in plogging. One plogger says, I love that you help the environment, the planet and meet new people. Through the world plugging championship in 2023, 6,600 pounds of litter were removed from the environment and more competitions are coming up this year. Good News Network has this story and there's a link in today's episode description.

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