Tangle - DHS agents kill another Minneapolis protester.

Episode Date: January 26, 2026

On Saturday, U.S. Customs and Border Patrol (CBP) shot and killed a 37-year-old man in Minneapolis, Minnesota, following an altercation with federal agents. Earlier this month, an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officer shot and killed Renee Good, 37, in her vehicle in a Minneapolis neighborhood, setting off large-scale protests. The latest shooting led to renewed calls from state officials for President Donald Trump to pull federal immigration enforcement agents out of the state. Ad-free podcasts are here!To listen to this podcast ad-free, and to enjoy our subscriber only premium content, go to ReadTangle.com to sign up!Want to get texts from Tangle?Since October, over 13,000 Tangle readers have joined us on Subtext, our free SMS messaging service that lets us connect directly with readers. Subtext subscribers can weigh in on our coverage through topic polls, receive analysis on developing stories straight from Isaac, and get occasional peeks behind the scenes at Tangle’s operations. You can sign up for Subtext here!(Note: Subtext is currently only available for subscribers based in the U.S. and Canada.)You can read today's podcast⁠ ⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠, our “Under the Radar” story ⁠here and today’s “Have a nice day” story ⁠here⁠.You can subscribe to Tangle by clicking here or drop something in our tip jar by clicking here. Take the survey: What do you think of the latest DHS shooting in Minnesota? Let us know.Our Executive Editor and Founder is Isaac Saul. Our Executive Producer is Jon Lall.This podcast was written by: Isaac Saul and audio edited and mixed by Dewey Thomas. Music for the podcast was produced by Diet 75.Our newsletter is edited by Managing Editor Ari Weitzman, Senior Editor Will Kaback, Lindsey Knuth, Bailey Saul, and Audrey Moorehead. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

From executive producer Isaac Saul, this is Tangle. Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening, and welcome to the Tangle podcast, the place we get views from across the political spectrum, some independent thinking, and a little bit of my take. I'm your host, Isaac Saul. Today is Monday, January 26th, like many people across the country. I'm home today, snowed in. We got about eight, nine, ten inches. maybe here in Philadelphia and lots of ice and sleet. So I'm all cooped up in the house. I hope those of you who were in the path of that storm are safe and staying warm.

Very grateful to have a roof over my head and some heat on in the house today. We have a pretty serious and scary episode coming up. I mean, this, look, I know consuming this stuff from doing it, it's tough. And there's been a lot of violence in the news recently. And today we have to cover this latest show. shooting in Minneapolis, Minnesota. So we're going to talk about what happened. We're going to share some views from the left and the right. And then I'm going to give you my take. All right, I'm going to send it over to Will for today's main topic, and I'll be back for my take.

Thanks, Isaac. All right, let's get into today's quick hits. Number one, President Donald Trump said he will levy a 100% tariff on Canadian imports if the country agrees to a trade deal with China. Number two, the Wall Street Journal reported that China's top general is under investigation for allegedly sharing information about the country's nuclear weapons program with the United States and accepting bribes for official acts. The report comes amid a major crackdown within China on corruption in the armed forces. Number three, winter storm fern continues to impact large portions of the United States, with ice and snowfall extending from the weekend into Monday. President Trump approved emergency declarations for at least 12 states.

Number four, Ukrainian president, Vladimir Zelensky, said that a U.S. security guarantees agreement for Ukraine is, quote, 100% ready after two days of discussions with Russian and U.S. officials. And finally, number five, Israel said its military recovered the remains of the final hostage held in Gaza, a police officer who was killed in Hamas's October 7th terror attack. The recovery clears the way for the second phase of the Israel Hamas cease fire to begin. Overnight unrest and anger in Minneapolis after federal agents shot and killed another person. Graphic video from the scene obtained by DropSight News shows a man in a struggle with agents resisting being shoved to the ground and hit. It appears his gun is removed by one of the agents.

Another agent opens fire than two more opened fire, shooting him in the back as he lies on the ground. I just saw a video. of more than six masked agents of pummeling one of our constituents and shooting him to death. How many more residents? On Saturday, U.S. Customs and Border Patrol, CBP, shot and killed a 37-year-old man in Minneapolis, Minnesota,

following an altercation with federal agents. Earlier this month, an immigration and customs enforcement officer shot and killed Renee Good, also 37, in her vehicle in a Minneapolis neighborhood, setting off large-scale protests. The latest shooting led to renewed calls from state officials for President Donald Trump to pull federal immigration enforcement agents out of the state. The Department of Homeland Security has deployed thousands of ICE agents to Minnesota as part of an immigration crackdown called Operation Metro Surge. Many Minnesotans have protested ISIS presence in the state, organizing a general strike in Minneapolis. on Friday. The victim in Saturday's shooting was identified as Alex Priddy, a Minneapolis resident and U.S. citizen who worked as a nurse in an intensive care unit. Video of the incident appears

to show Priddy filming federal agents from the road, then stepping between them and another woman, a CBP agent had shoved to the ground. The agent directs the spray at Priddy, who was then surrounded by several more agents and tackled. A gunshot sounds moments later, after which the officers back away from Priti. At least two agents can be seen firing additional rounds at Priddy while he is lying on the ground. In the hours after the shooting, reports emerged that Pritty had been armed with a semi-automatic handgun. At a news conference, Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O'Hara said Priddy was a lawful gun owner with a permit to carry a firearm in public. However, Trump administration officials have described the victim as a, quote, domestic terrorist who intended to harm officers. Quote, this looks like

a situation where an individual arrived at the scene to inflict maximum damage on individuals and to kill law enforcement. DHS secretary Christy Noem said after first claiming Pretty had, quote, brandished his weapon at agents. State and city officials have strongly refuted this characterization of the incident. Minnesota governor Tim Walls said the Trump administration was, quote, spinning stories and quote, rushing to judgment, vowing that the state would conduct its own investigation. In an interview on Sunday, President Trump said his administration is, quote, reviewing everything about the shooting and, quote, will come out with a determination. Many Republicans have broken with the administration on its description of the incident and called for an impartial investigation involving state officials. Others expressed concern about DHS agents' tactics and training.

Senator Lisa Murkowski, a Republican from Alaska, said the shooting raises, quote, serious questions within the administration. about the adequacy of immigration enforcement training and the instructions officers are given on carrying out their mission. End quote. Senate Democrats said they will oppose legislation that includes funding for ICE unless it is amended to reform how the agency operates. ICE funding is part of a larger government funding package covering multiple federal departments,

and if the legislation is not passed by the end of the day on Friday, most of the government will shut down. Today we'll cover the response to the latest shooting in many of the United States. with views from the left and right. Then executive editor Isaac Saul will give his take. We'll be right back after this quick break. Here's what the left is saying. The left is appalled by the shooting and many call for DHS agents to be pulled out of Minnesota.

Some say the Trump administration's justification of the officer's actions runs counter to the Second Amendment. Others argue the administration is encouraging more chaos with its actions. The Minnesota Star Tribune editorial board says, an ice pause is the only path to peace. Minnesota is standing at a dangerous edge. After a third shooting involving federal immigration agents in less than three weeks, both the state and its largest city are trapped in a familiar and deeply corrosive moment. As of Saturday afternoon, key facts remain unsettled.

That uncertainty is not incidental. It is destabilizing, the board wrote. The shooting death of 37-year-old Alex Jeffrey Pretty on Saturday morning cannot be reviewed behind federal walls alone. A joint investigation must be established immediately, with federal, state, and local authorities granted equal access to evidence, witnesses, body camera footage, and timelines. An ice pause would not represent abolition.

It is governance. It is an acknowledgement that the tactics producing sweeping disruption, mounting injury, and now multiple civilian deaths, are failing in their own stated aims. Members of Minnesota's Republican congressional delegation are needed now. So are business leaders and institutional voices with access to federal power. This surge will end eventually. The damage may not.

In the Atlantic, Tyler Austin Harper called the incident a Second Amendment wake-up call. Although the administration claims that its immigration enforcement operations are meant to protect Americans from an invasion of foreign-born gang members, federal officials have now killed two American citizens, specific. white American citizens, the kind Donald Trump and Stephen Miller, tacitly signaled they care the most about in less than a month, Harper wrote. It is plain that Operation Metro Surge and Operation Catch of the Day, yes, that's what ICE actually calls its main operation, are not about protecting the good citizens of Minnesota and Maine. Whether they lean right or left, are pro-immigration, or have more restrictionist views, my fellow gun owners should understand the message that is being sent

by this administration. If you exercise your constitutionally protected right to bear arms, masked federal agents can murder you in cold blood, Harper said. It is not yet clear what exactly Prady's own views were, or what motivated him to be on that Minneapolis street. But he knew what the Second Amendment is for, to affirm that Americans are a free people, and free people will not be cowed by masked federal agents. As this country's gun enthusiasts have long known, freedom means little, if you lack the means to keep it. In Jacobin, Ben Burgess wrote, Trump and ICE are driving the country off a cliff.

The DHS statement, never quite claiming that Pretty had drawn the gun, but vaguely gesturing at a violent struggle and the officer who shot him supposedly fearing for his life and the lives and safety of fellow officers, is unlikely to be believed by anyone who watched any of these videos, Burgess said.

Indeed, one of the most striking parts of all of this is that these particular lies don't exactly seem to be intended to be believed. Instead, it feels like the point is just to give the hardcore supporters of the current administration something to hang their hat on when a, quote, libtard tries to give them hard time about this. Thus far, the restraint and unity shown by the overwhelming majority of the protesters in Minneapolis is remarkable. There have been mass demonstrations, an impromptu strike called by local organized labor, and an abundance of people filming ice in the border patrol, and letting them know that they aren't.

welcome and that no one plans to make it easy for them to drag away their friends and neighbors. Burgess wrote, even so, the more lawless and violent the behavior of masked and therefore totally unaccountable ICE agents become, the more likely it is that some misguided individuals will meet violence with violence. Now here's what the right is saying. The right is mixed in their response, with many reaffirming their support for deportations. Some say the incident, raises nuanced Second Amendment issues. Others criticized the Trump administration for its messaging about pretty. On X, conservative commentator Greg Price shared a note for my leftist friends. I do not care that a leftist agitator got himself killed because he decided to arm himself with a gun

and venture out to resist ICE, nor the other one who sped her car at an ICE agent while fleeing arrest, nor do I care about the little kid who was detained with his legal alien father, Price wrote, And neither do you, because all you care about are turning people whose deaths would never have happened if you people didn't have a psychopathic opposition to lawful immigration enforcement into martyrs who can be used to justify ending deportations. I, along with 77 million other Americans, voted for a government that promised mass deportations. And that doesn't just mean gang members and criminals. It means every single person who crossed the border illegally or has overstayed their visa, Price said. I simply do not care about any of the sob stories that you manufacture on a daily basis to emotionally manipulate people against law enforcement of our immigration laws.

I don't care if federal agents wearing masks trears you. I don't care about your tug at the heartstrings propaganda. In bearing arms, Cam Edwards explored 2A group's response to the shooting. Christy Nome asserted that the incident looks like a situation where an individual arrived at the scene to inflict maximum damage on individuals and kill law enforcement, though the video shows that Priddy never touched his firearm before he was killed, Edwards wrote. The first assistant U.S. attorney for the Central District of California drew widespread condemnation from gun owners,

including myself, for a post on X several hours after the shooting took place, where he asserted that if you approach law enforcement with a gun, there's a high likelihood that they will be legally justified in shooting you. Was it a bad idea for Priddy to actively engage law enforcement while he was carrying? Yes, though from the video I've seen, the only contact he made with a Border Patrol agent was a momentary hand on the agent's shoulder after the agent had pushed another protester to the ground. Edward said, Whether or not the shooting will be deemed justified depends on the totality of the circumstance,

and whether or not the agents who fired their weapons had reasonable cause to believe their lives and the lives of others were in danger. I'm personally leaning towards the lawful but awful scenario, given that Pretty's gun appears to have discharged while it was in the hand of the agent who confiscated it and the shouts of gun, gun. In his substack, Eric Woods Erickson wrote about another dead American. Both Pretty and Good would be alive

if Tim Walls and Jacob Frye would cooperate with the federal government like most other states do. Americans are not dying in other states. Minnesota is a major sanctuary state and cooperating with the federal government would get ICE and border patrol out of the state. Erickson said. Like the progressive left and Hamas, however,

there is a well-coordinated PR campaign between the left and the press to make the federal government the bad got. Frankly, the federal government has walked into the PR battle and is doing its very best to lose it. More dead Americans does not help. What we have right now is the Trump administration, led by the head of Border Patrol and Christy Noem,

rushing to seed a narrative into the minds of people before all the facts are known and some of the facts they presented have already turned out not to be true, Erickson wrote. These are government officials. They have an obligation to be truthful and measured while so many facts are still unknown. They also have an obligation to protect the president

of the United States and his policies. Rushing out with a narrative that they then must change because more facts have come out will destroy the Trump administration credibility on this issue. All right, that is it for what the left and right are saying. Now I'm going to pass it over to Isaac for his take. Isaac, over to you.

All right, that is it for the left and the writer saying, which brings us to my take. When I was a kid, I used to have this recurring nightmare where a room full of friends and family were talking to me and I was responding, but they'd all keep asking me why I wasn't answering. At the end of the nightmare, I'm yelling as loud as I can to get them to hear me and they all just keep looking around at each other, wondering why I won't talk.

Then I'd wake up in my bed screaming. This week, I'm reminded of that nightmare. For so many months, I felt like I've been shouting and unable to get the people I want to hear me most to listen. As I did after Renee Good was killed, I'll start by describing the events as objectively as I can based on the available video evidence. Alex Prattie is standing in the middle of the street,

recording DHS agents. A car approaches and he waves it past. One of the agents appears to approach a woman standing in front of Preddy, and you can hear him and the agent both yelling. Prety then grabs the woman and walks her toward the sidewalk, away from the agent who follows them. There, another woman approaches and yells something at the officer who shoves her to the ground. Preddy steps between the officer and the second woman and lays a hand on the DHS agent

before raising his other hand into the air. The CBP officer sprays a substance into Preddy. Pretty's face and Preddy turns away from him while keeping one hand in the air, filming with the other. He then tries to help pick the woman up off the ground. The CBP agent continues to spray him and the woman on the ground from behind. More agents then surround Preddy, who is clinging to the woman he was trying to help and throw him to the ground. They begin spraying him, punching him, and trying to restrain his arms and legs. Preddy struggles.

What happens next is difficult to parse, but one officer appears to see Preddy is carrying a firearm and pulls it out of its holster. Another screams gun, and then the shooting begins. Ten rounds in total, several after Preddy is lying motionless on the ground. These were my first thoughts after watching the video. Recording law enforcement is legal, and carrying a firearm is a constitutional right. Preddy seemed to be trying to keep his distance from the CBP agents, and he only ever got close to them after one followed Preddy toward the sidewalk, then violently shoved the woman who yelled at him. Preddy's instinct to put himself between the agent and the woman seems totally normal, if not explicitly admirable to me.

He touched the CBP agent, which was his gravest error, but he did it in about the most conciliatory way possible, with one arm in the air as if to say, I'm not trying to start any trouble with his body language. A screen grab from one angle of the shooting where Preddy has his left hand in the air while holding his phone in his right hand captures his demeanor well. What happened after the agents began pepper-spraying, beating, and disarming Prattie was pure chaos. Pepper-spraying someone while trying to handcuff them generally does not produce a perfectly compliant response. Whatever you think of Prattie, one agent screaming gun after he has been disarmed, then another shooting and killing him while he was held down by several agents is not orderly law enforcement. Nor is an officer shouting, where is the gun, while searching Prattie's body nearly a minute after he was shot.

I've been doing this job for long enough that I'm rarely shocked anymore, but what happened in the wake of the shooting, it genuinely shocked me. For starters, the brazenness of the smearing of Alex Preti is disorienting. The administration has claimed Preddy was a domestic terrorist who was trying to massacre government agents and inflict maximum damage and was brandishing a weapon. Stephen Miller called him an assassin who tried to murder federal agents. However, Prattie never brandish his weapon.

He never threatened an agent. Before stepping between the CBP agent and the woman he'd shoved, I've seen nothing to indicate that he so much is verbally antagonized officers. We now know the playbook. If an immigration officer assaults or kills someone, the administration will respond by trying to make the victim look as evil as possible. Remember, President Trump claimed Renee Good viciously ran over an ICE agent whose survival was hard to believe

and that the officer was recovering in the hospital, all misleading or outright false. Predi, Trump claimed, was a gunman whom CBP had to protect themselves from. All this is to say, this playbook totally justifies why people are recording immigration officials. When the federal government tries to call people

they apprehend or kill assassin or domestic terrorists or murderer or pedophile, it's crucial to have some evidence to show they are lying. In the public sphere, a lot of people who support DHS have claimed that Prety was obstructing law enforcement or resisting arrest. In my view, both of these allegations are flawed. Obstruction implies Preddy was stopping agents from carrying out some kind of law enforcement action.

The supporting evidence is that he was standing in the street filming and waved the car past him, which some alleged was him directing traffic to block the agents. However, since the action was occurring in front of Preddy, it looks to me like Preddy simply waved the car past him while filming in the street. The other claim is that by standing between immigration agents and the woman he just shoved to the ground and making contact with said agent, Pretti was obstructing an arrest. Again, this is odd, since they don't appear to be trying to arrest the woman in question.

In fact, it looks like the agents are just assaulting her, shoving her to the ground and pepper spraying her without any effort to actually detain her. This is one element that's making this issue feel so dissonant. Onlookers and traditional defenders of law enforcement often on the right are talking like we're witnessing traditional law enforcement tactics, as if a police officer was assaulted by an onlooker while trying to put handcuffs on a thief. In reality, immigration officers are brutalizing American citizens

for filming them, standing in the street or yelling insults at them, and when one guy instinctually tries to protect a woman being roughed up by one of those agents, he gets ganged up on, beaten, disarmed, and shot multiple times. Let's be serious. Pretty is an ICU nurse at the VA, with no criminal record. He was no domestic terrorist. Others, like Greg Price, under what the right is saying, called out that no Democrats protested for Lakin Riley, a nurse who was murdered by an

immigrant here illegally. The difference, obviously, is that Riley's killing wasn't committed, celebrated, or justified by the state. Her murderer was arrested, tried, and convicted. Then, finally, is the defense of a person's Second Amendment rights, which I discovered in the last 48 hours, is ideologically flexible. Many liberals who have long attacked the Second Amendment are now preaching about Predi's right to carry. Meanwhile, many conservatives who have historically defended the right to carry firearms tried to make Preddy look bad by framing him as someone who had a gun at a protest. FBI director Cash Patel went as far as claiming that you don't have a right to bring a firearm to a protest, which is precisely the opposite of the actual law. All of this obviously is nonsense.

You can legally exercise your Second and First Amendment rights at the same time, as many Trump supporters have been doing, sometimes with great fanfare, for years. Cops don't get to assume you're a threat because you are illegally carrying a firearm. In fact, the Second Amendment was explicitly designed to protect citizens against government overreach, especially the violent kind, which I don't think I've ever seen more clearly on display in my lifetime than right now in Minneapolis. is. We don't know why federal agents are acting so brazenly, so aggressively as of late, but a questionable recruitment and training process undeniably has something to do with it. Even though the officers who pulled the triggers on Renee Good and Preddy were both veterans of the force,

DHS through CBP and ICE has been quickly amassing an army of aggressive recruits, training them poorly, and giving them a green light to treat both American citizens and illegal immigrants as hostile entities in a war zone. DHS's diminish hiring and training standards can only contribute to the decay of standards in the agency, and they're also easy to observe. Recently, ICE literally offered employment to a journalist who applied for a job just to write a story about the process

and whom the administration apparently didn't even run a background check on. As Minneapolis's police chief pointed out in a remarkable must-watch interview, his department recovered 900-dust-dust. arrested hundreds of violent offenders and went the entire year in 2025 without a single officer involved shooting. Consider that. This is now the third DHS involved shooting in Minneapolis in less than three weeks, and the second American citizen killed by immigration enforcement in that time span. On top of that, DHS has repeatedly tried to detain off-duty non-white Minnesota police officers and in at least one case allegedly approached an officer during a traffic stop with their guns drawn.

On top of that, after 48 hours, we still know very little about the DHS agents who shot Preddy. No names, just that one of the shooters was a Border Patrol officer who had been on the force for eight years. And no accountability. As I've been screaming into a nightmare, these agents are masked, anonymous, and protected by the state. Unlike police officers or other law enforcement, they've been given carte blanche to act however they like without being easily identified, something that should never be normalized in American citizens. society. If you spend a lot of time online, you'd be forgiven for thinking that these shootings are divisive or that DHS actions are becoming a partisan issue. Some may even hear my take today is left-leaning or overtly liberal, but I believe this division is an illusion. As if Freddie's shooting was justified, respondents to a U-Gov poll came out 28 points for unjustified, with nearly a third

of respondents unsure, probably because they hadn't seen the video of the shooting. Support for abolishing ice. Not to funding or limiting or restraining, but abolishing, is now 46-41 in support and is a plus-12 issue with self-identified independence. The list of Republicans calling out the Trump administration's enforcement efforts is only increasing. Senators Dave McCormick from Pennsylvania, Lisa Murkowski from Alaska, Bill Cassidy from Louisiana, Tom Tillis from North Carolina, Susan Collins from Maine, John Husted from Ohio, and Pete Ricketts from Nebraska have all, to varying degrees criticized DHS or called for investigations. Former Representative Marjorie Taylor Green from Georgia pleaded with supporters to see how bad this is getting.

Representative Andrew Garberino from New York, the House Homeland Security Chair, has stepped up requests for heads of ICE, CBP, and USCIS to testify before his committee. Oklahoma Governor Kevin Stitt, a Republican, said Americans don't like what they're seeing right now and criticize the bad advice Trump is getting, careful not to actually go after the president himself. Some Minnesota Republicans in Trump counties are beginning to jump ship, and Chris Madel, a GOP candidate in Minnesota's gubernatorial race, who is also the lawyer representing the agent who killed Renee Good,

has now ended his campaign and said that DHS has gone beyond its stated focus on real public safety threats. Perhaps most jarringly, John Mittnick, who helped establish the Department of Homeland Security in 2002 and 2003, and was Trump's Senate-confirmed choice for general counsel for DHS in Trump's first term, is now calling out DHS's lawlessness, fascism, and cruelty, and suggesting Trump should get impeached. If you think I'm taking a partisan line here or overreacting,

read that sentence a second time. Even President Trump appears to be looking for an off-ramp. He announced he's sending Bordersar, Tom Homan, to Minnesota, and officials are beginning to leak that he's unhappy with DHS. My own politics have circled the political center for the last decade, and I've been an outspoken critic of the left's immigration policies. Yet the Trump administration's actions here, its shameless smearing of dead Americans, its violation of civil liberties, the overt violence of its agents are decisively turning me against this enforcement effort. I'm glad to see I'm

not alone, and that the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, National Review, and the New York Post editorial boards are all on the same side of this issue. Democrats, waking from their stupor, say they want to separate DHS funding from an upcoming spending bill, even if it causes a government shutdown. That's a good start, but it should only be a start. Oversight and accountability for everything that has happened, from the unlawful searches to the unjustified arrest to these horrific shootings, should come next. And it should come swiftly. We'll be right back after this quick break. All right, that is it for my take.

I'm going to send it back to Will for the rest of the pod, and I'll see you guys tomorrow. Have a good one. Peace. Thanks, Isaac. Here's today's under the radar story. On Thursday, researchers from the American Cancer Society reported that colorectal cancer is now the leading cause of cancer death in the U.S. for people under 50. In 2023, 3,905 people aged 20 to 49, died of colorectal cancer, which the medical community

has long viewed as a disease that mostly affects older people. Doctors are now advising people to begin screening for colorectal cancer at younger ages, as without these preventative checks, most cases are only detected after they have reached an advanced stage. While medical experts have not determined why colorectal cancer is rising for younger people, they have identified obesity, physical inactivity, and diets heavy and ultra-processed food as associated risk factors. The Wall Street Journal has this story, and we'll put the link to it in today.

today's show notes. Finally, here is today's Have a Nice Day story. On December 19, 1972, three astronauts returned to Earth from the Apollo 17 mission, the last time humans visited the lunar surface. Now, NASA is making plans to go back. The next generation of lunar explorations is called the Artemis program.

And in 26, NASA plans to go forward with Artemis 2, the first mission to bring astronauts to within lunar orbit, though not yet the lunar surface since the 1970s. Furthermore, Artemis 2 may break a record set during Apollo 13 for the farthest distance from Earth that humanity has ever reached. Space.com has this story, and again, we'll put the link to it in today's show notes. All right, that is it for today's edition. We will be back tomorrow with our next topic.

Until then, hope everyone is staying well and staying warm, and we'll talk to you soon. Our executive editor and founder is me, Isaac Saul, and our executive producer is John roll. Today's episode was edited and engineered by Dewey Thomas. Our editorial staff is led by managing editor Ari Weitzman with senior editor Will Kayback and associate editors Audrey Moorhead, Lindsay Canuth, and Bailey Saul. Music for the podcast was produced by Diet 75. To learn more about Tangle and to sign up for a membership, please visit our website at reetangle.com.