Tangle - Is student debt cancellation legal?

Episode Date: August 31, 2022

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From executive producer Isaac Saul, this is Tangle. Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening, and welcome to the Tangle Podcast, a place where you get views from across the political spectrum, some independent thinking without all that hysterical nonsense you find everywhere else. I'm your host, Isaac Saul, and on today's episode, we're going to be revisiting student loan debt forgiveness, but today we're going to be talking about the legality of it, not the merits of it, not whether this should or shouldn't happen, but whether it's actually legal, which is a question we have not explored yet in Tangle. Before we jump in though, as always, we're going to start off with some quick hits. First up, some 180,000 residents in Jackson, Mississippi have indefinitely lost access to reliable running water after excessive flooding.

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In May, we covered the initial arguments about forgiving student loans. Last week, we covered the arguments about the specific student debt plan announced by the Biden administration. But in both of those pieces, we focused mainly on the merits of the plan. Should the government be forgiving this debt? Were the targeted borrowers the right people? Will it worsen inflation? Is the plan a net positive for the country? All of the arguments

we covered focus on questions like those. Today, we're going to explore another thread of the student debt cancellation. Is it actually legal and will it hold up in court? Before President Biden released the plan, both he and House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi, the Democrat from California, had cast doubt on whether he had the power to cancel student debt. In July of 2021, Pelosi said, People think that the President of the United States has the power of debt forgiveness. He does not. He can postpone, he can delay, but he does not have that power. That has to be an act of Congress. Early on in Biden's presidency, he too was hesitant about whether he had the authority. He asked the education department

to explore the question, and they came back with an argument that he had the legal authority to cancel the debt, articulated in the education department's memo, which says, quote, We have determined that the Higher Education Relief Opportunities for Students, the HEROES Act of 2003, grants the secretary authority that could be used to effectuate a program of targeted loan cancellation directed at addressing the financial harms of the COVID-19 pandemic. The memo explains that the HEROES Act provides, quote, broad authority to grant relief from student loan requirements during specific periods, a war, other military operation or national emergency such as the present COVID-19 pandemic,

and for specific purposes, including to address the financial harms of such a war, other military operation, or emergency. That authority has been used under every administration since its passage to provide relief to borrowers for various reasons. Many have since speculated that the debt forgiveness will not survive scrutiny in court. However, one big challenge is finding a plaintiff who can prove concrete harm was done to them. Some legal analysts have speculated that nobody has standing to file suit against loan cancellation for this reason and because they would also have to show that blocking forgiveness would remedy that harm. Under Supreme Court precedent, simply

being a taxpayer isn't standing to sue on its own. Some believe the most likely plaintiff would be a loan servicer, though courts have generally not allowed contractors to sue over federal regulations that hurt their bottom lines. This has left Republicans looking for a plaintiff to bring a suit forward. Today, we'll examine some arguments about that authority with opinions from the left and the right, and then my take. First up, we'll start with what the right is saying. The right mostly argues that the order is illegal, though some suspect it might hold up in court. Some argue that Biden is clearly misusing the initial legislation for something it was never intended to cover. Others say the administration's

talking points are based on a lie. In National Review, Charles Cook said Biden's legal argument is cynical and ludicrous. There is no point in mincing our words. This is a lie, a contrivance, a game. Nobody believes this. It's an excuse. If it makes it to the Supreme Court, it will lose and it will deserve to lose. It is facially farcical. Of course, the HEROES Act, first enacted in the wake of September 11th attacks, does not convey this authority as the memo claims. At no point until today had a single person in America ever believed such a thing. They shouldn't now, he wrote. When criticizing Donald Trump for making an end-rund around the legislature for his border

wall in 2019, I wrote that, quote, to permit presidents to circumvent quotidian policy disputes by appealing to a phantom too important clause is to tear up James Madison's constitution and to sanction an alternative settlement within which any sufficiently frustrated executive is able to delve deep into the statutory well and find a watery justification to get his way. This rule applies just as much to Joe Biden, he said. Indeed, given the scale of what Biden is doing, which is more than 100 times as expensive and far less legally debatable, it applies more so. Joe Biden does not actually believe that he has this authority. Rather, Joe Biden has decided to violate his oath of office,

and in an attempt to cover it up, he has asked his lawyers to scour the statute books and to find any pattern of words that might plausibly serve to convince the partisans in the press that he is acting within the law. In reason, Damon Root said Biden is using the HEROES Act for something other than its purpose, but the text is broad and presidents get a lot of judicial deference. Typically, an action of this sort would be performed by Congress, not the president, since it is Congress that is exclusively vested with the federal spending power under the U.S. Constitution. So, where does Biden purport to get the authority to do this and will his legal justifications hold up in court, Root asked? Basically, the HEROES Act was designed to let the executive branch

ameliorate the student loan situations of service members fighting the war on terror. In other words, Biden is invoking a post-9-11 expansion of executive power to justify his current actions. I would not underestimate the high amount of judicial deference that presidents tend to get from federal judges when they claim to be acting in the name of national security or claim to be dealing with a national emergency. What is more, the text of the HEROES Act does seemingly grant broad emergency powers to the executive, and it does so not just during wartime, Root said. It authorizes the Department of Education to, quote, waive or modify any statutory or regulatory provision applicable to the Student Financial

Assistance Program under Title IX of the Higher Education Act as the Secretary of Education deems necessary in connection with a war or other military operation or national emergency. Should Biden's plan ever land in federal court, one of the big questions for the judiciary will be whether the COVID-19 pandemic qualifies as a national emergency for the purposes of the statute. Plenty of federal judges may be willing to give Biden the leeway he wants here, including some Republican appointees on the Supreme Court. In Politico, Rich Lowry said the cancellation could and should end up in court. It is telling that when Congress passed this act nearly 20 years ago after the 9-11 attacks and George W. Bush signed it into law, no one thought Washington had created the predicate

for a sweeping imposition of debt forgiveness by the executive branch, he said. The act passed the Republican House 421-1 and the Republican Senate by unanimous consent, not the usual legislative path for measures allowing for a student debt jubilee. Who are the affected individuals under the HEROES Act? It is clear they are not supposed to be the entire population, he wrote. As a summary of the legislation at congress.gov notes, they are active-duty military personnel, national guard troops, someone residing in a disaster area,

or someone who suffered direct economic hardship as a result of a war or other military action or national emergency. Congress was clearly seeking to hold harmless the Marine with student loans who might in the years ahead be spending significant time overseas in combat zones. It simply can't be true that everyone covered by the Biden program was a loser from the All right, that is it for The Rightist Hang, which brings us to the left's take. The left argues that Biden has the authority to cancel the debt, but it may end up in court anyway. Some say Republicans' own legislation proves Biden has this authority. Others note that finding a valid plaintiff will be difficult or

impossible. In the American Prospect, David Dyan said Republicans have admitted Biden has the authority to cancel student loans. Five Senate Republicans confirmed that President Biden has the authority to suspend, defer, or cancel student debt when they filed a bill on Wednesday to block Biden from carrying that out, he wrote in April. The bill, known as the Stop Reckless Student Loan Actions Act of 2022, would make direct changes to one of the statutes Biden can use for the purposes of debt cancellation or deferral. It also states that the executive branch may not suspend or defer student loan payments for longer than 90 days or for individuals who make more than 400% of the poverty line. The executive branch under the bill also may not cancel the outstanding balances,

whether as part of a declared emergency or through any type of executive or regulatory action. There would be no need for such a bill if there was not already authority granted by Congress to the executive branch to suspend, defer, or cancel student loan payments. The bill represents an effort to claw that authority defer, or cancel student loan payments. The bill represents an effort to claw that authority back, or at the very least clarify the statute to remove all doubt, he said. The bill begins by finding that the executive branch has abused authority provided under the HEROES Act of 2003, an amendment to the Higher Education Act intended to help military service members to pause student loan payments for more than two years.

This is actually a criticism primarily of the Trump administration, which used the HEROES Act to justify its enactment of a payment moratorium. In Slate, Mark Joseph Stern argued that there is a lot of precedent for what Biden did. To understand where this is going in the courts as well as the likely workaround, recall a basic fact that many critics of Biden's program do not appear to understand. The federal government forgives student loans all the time, he said. Multiple statutes give the Department of Education sweeping authority to cancel loans for a broad range of reasons. Before Wednesday, the administration had already approved $32 billion in student loan relief for more than 1.6 million borrowers. These actions did not provoke substantial controversy or litigation. Based on Charles Yu's award-winning book, Interior Chinatown follows the story of Willis

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The Secretary may exercise this power to ensure that borrowers are not placed in a worse position financially in relation to their loans because they were affected by the emergency. A national emergency is defined as any national emergency declared by the president. The ongoing COVID-19 pandemic surely qualifies since Donald Trump declared it a national emergency and Biden has extended that declaration. In the New Republic, Matt Ford said despite so many people crying foul, nobody has actually sued the Biden administration. So why hasn't anyone hauled the Biden administration into court to stop it, he asked? One problem for any potential lawsuit is finding a plaintiff for it. Time magazine reported this week that conservative legal activists are currently searching for

someone who might have standing to challenge the order in court. But that requires someone who suffered some kind of legally cognizable injury from Biden's order. The debtors themselves aren't good candidates. For one, nobody with student loans is going to sue the Biden administration so that they pay more of them. And even if they did, it would be strange to argue that loan forgiveness is an injury in any sense of the word. Time, citing conservative lawyers, floated some hypothetical litigants who might be able to bring

a challenge. Among the prospective plaintiffs are student loan servicers, which act as a middleman between the federal government and the debtors themselves, he said. It's unclear how they would be injured in any way by this particular change in federal regulations. Another alternative offered by the magazine would be a borrower who makes more than $125,000 a year and therefore doesn't qualify for the order's relief. Means-tested programs have generally survived such scrutiny before. There would be little incentive to keep means-testing benefits if they hadn't. It was also suggested that one of the chambers of Congress could have standing to challenge it. But that would require Republicans to win control of one of them first.

Alright, that is it for the left and the right's take, which brings us to my take. All right, so look, I'm trying to separate my feelings from the text on this one. As I wrote last week, I think student debt forgiveness was overly broad and ill-timed. I took a pretty clear stance against it. So I do believe debt cancellation can be an effective and just economic stimulus in certain contexts. The question of its legality is much trickier. For starters, it seems clear to me that Biden is using the HEROES Act in a context that Congress didn't intend. If the executive branch expanding the meaning of something passed by the legislative branch matters to you, which it should, then it is quite easy to consider this an overstep.

When Congress passed the HEROES Act, its intent was very clear. Make it easier on soldiers being deployed overseas or people being impacted by natural disasters to get relief from their student debt. On the other hand, maybe you believe laws should regularly pertain to things that the legislatures didn't intend, which is why we have a court system to adjudicate. In simple terms, the bill was supposed to target affected individuals who were placed in a worse position financially due to how they were impacted by serving overseas or surviving some kind of national emergency. For the Biden administration to justify cancellation under these terms, it seems to me they need

to clearly identify and define who the affected people were and then help them. Surely, not everyone with student debt who made less than $125,000 in 2020 and 2021 is now worse off financially because of the pandemic. Some are very obviously doing better. What makes this even trickier is that it wasn't really Biden who initially brought in the use of the HEROES Act. It was basically all of Congress and President Trump. The Trump administration used the HEROES Act to suspend all student debt payment in the early stages of the pandemic and got very little resistance. It also, via Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, tried to make it clear on the way out that canceling student debt was not something they believed they had the power to do. So they tried to walk this line. Yes, we can suspend

student debt payments for a broad swath of the populace, but no, a future administration cannot cancel those payments. As is the trend in our country's history, when the executive branch gets its hand around some kind of power, it typically tries to expand that power. This is why so many conservatives rightly resist certain small advances of executive power, because they understand that those small advances can blossom into something much larger. Enter Joe Biden. To me, it is blindingly obvious that there was more justification for suspending student loan payments under the auspices of a national emergency, which COVID-19 clearly was in 2020 and 2021, than there is for canceling that debt now. Remember, the Biden administration has argued in court that COVID is contained enough to end Title 42, the Trump-era border

policy to quickly expel migrants, while it now argues that COVID gives it the authority to cancel hundreds of billions of dollars of student debt. The contradiction is clear. Yet, none of this means that it will fall in court. As far as I can tell, the plaintiff issue is a huge problem for Republicans who want to block the order, and I imagine if it were easy to find someone to sue, they would have done it months ago. Second, the reality is that Congress and Trump did, in fact, help expand the precedent of what the HEROES Act could be used to do, And there will surely be some judges who view that argument favorably. If it does go to court, one potential outcome is that the Biden administration is forced to more narrowly define the cohort of borrowers damaged by the pandemic, which thins the pool

of people who qualify for debt relief. There could certainly be worse outcomes than that. So, in brief, I think Biden is exceeding his authority, and I think he's misusing a 20-year-old bill for something it was never intended for, but he is hardly the first president or member of Congress to expand that law's reach. It seems Republicans realized the door was open for this a little too late, and their failed attempt at passing a bill to change the HEROES Act is a giveaway they understood this order might hold up. Because the original text of the statute was so broad and finding someone to bring a suit will be so difficult, I wouldn't be surprised if debt cancellation survives any imminent legal challenges. It's just one of those bizarre situations where something

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