Tangle - Israel's hostage rescue.

Episode Date: June 13, 2024

Israel's hostage rescue. On Saturday, Israel rescued four living hostages from inside the Nuseirat refugee camp in Central Gaza. The hostages were freed eight months after they were kidnappe...d by Hamas militants who had crossed the border into Israel. All four — Noa Argamani, Almog Meir Jan, Andrey Kozlov, and Shlomi Ziv — were abducted from the Nova music festival in Southern Israel on October 7. An estimated 116 of the 250 hostages taken remain in Gaza, at least 40 of whom have been declared dead by authorities.You can read today's podcast⁠ ⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠, our “Under the Radar” story ⁠here and today’s “Have a nice day” story ⁠here⁠.You can catch our latest YouTube video, an interview with Alyssa Cass and Pat Rosenstiel, and their efforts to make the popular vote the official decision in electing the US President, here.We were previously publishing these episodes on our Tangle podcast page, but we just re-launched the series — and released a brand new episode — on a unique podcast channel for The Undecideds. Please give us a 5-star rating and leave a comment!Check out Episode 4 of our podcast series, The Undecideds. May 30th, 2024, just after 5pm Eastern Standard Time, a landmark moment was branded into the 247 year history of the US. For the first time ever, a former American president was found guilty of felony crimes. So how does this affect our undecided voters? The answers may surprise you. We gauge the impact of the verdict on Diana, Zahid, Claire, Brian, and Phil and discover that on the road to the White House, even a felony conviction doesn’t block all paths.Today’s clickables: A note about The Undecideds (0:59), Quick hits (1:48), Today’s story (3:35), Left’s take (7:33), Right’s take (10:44), Israeli and Palestinian takes (13:28), Isaac’s take (16:45), Listener question (22:01), Under the Radar (24:28), Numbers (25:11), Have a nice day (26:38)You can subscribe to Tangle by clicking here or drop something in our tip jar by clicking here. Take the survey: What is your reaction to the IDF’s operation in Gaza? Let us know!Our podcast is written by Isaac Saul and edited and engineered by Jon Lall. Music for the podcast was produced by Diet 75. Our newsletter is edited by Managing Editor Ari Weitzman, Will Kaback, Bailey Saul, Sean Brady, and produced in conjunction with Tangle’s social media manager Magdalena Bokowa, who also created our logo. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:01:00 From executive producer Isaac Saul, this is Tangle. Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening, and welcome to the Tangle podcast, a place where we get views from across the political spectrum, some independent thinking, and a little bit of my take. I'm your host, Isaac Saul, and on today's episode, we're going to be talking about the Israeli hostages who were freed, four hostages freed earlier this week. We're going to talk about what exactly happened, also tied into some of the latest news we're getting about a potential ceasefire deal, we're going to share some views from the left and the right here in the States, and then a couple perspectives from Israel and Palestine that I thought were pretty captivating.
Starting point is 00:01:53 And then, as always, I'll give my take. Before we jump in, a quick reminder, and I'm going to keep doing this, and you're going to have to keep listening to it, so please just go do it. That'd be really helpful. We need you to go subscribe to our new channel for the Undecideds podcast. If you look up the Undecideds on wherever you listen to podcasts, you will see the red and blue little split logo. That is us, big Undecideds in white letters, a few people's faces, their silhouettes. That's our new podcast. That's where all the latest Undecided episodes are going to be posted, not on this channel anymore. So please go subscribe to the channel, follow it, make sure
Starting point is 00:02:30 you're listening over there. We would very much appreciate it. All right, with that out of the way, I'm going to pass it over to John to break down today's main story, and then I'll be back with my take. Thanks, Isaac, and welcome, everybody. Here are your quick hits for today. First up, the Consumer Price Index showed a slowdown in inflation on Wednesday. The latest sign price growth may be easing. Number two, a committee of experts has endorsed the experimental Alzheimer's drug, Denonimab, for FDA approval, saying it slows cognitive decline with benefits that outweigh safety concerns. Number three, four American college instructors were stabbed in northeastern China yesterday. The victims were part of an exchange program from Cornell
Starting point is 00:03:16 College in Iowa. A suspect was arrested. Number four, Ukraine is facing extended blackouts due to severe damage to its power stations caused by Russian strikes. Meanwhile, a Ukrainian military official also said Ukraine had successfully struck missile launch sites inside Russia. And number five, a federal judge ruled that Florida's restrictions on hormone and puberty blocker treatment for trans minors were unconstitutional and cannot be enforced. Breaking news in the war in Gaza. The Israeli military says it has rescued four hostages held since the October 7th attacks. This morning, four Israeli hostages are back in the arms of their loved ones after a dramatic but deadly rescue mission by the Israeli defense forces in central Gaza. Israelis cheering the news of the largest rescue of hostages since the terrorist attack in October.
Starting point is 00:04:20 But the rescue left a devastating toll for Palestinians, with more than 270 killed in the mission, according to the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry. On Saturday, Israel rescued four living hostages from inside the Nusrat refugee camp in central Gaza. The hostages were freed eight months after they were kidnapped by Hamas militants who had crossed the border into Israel. All four, Noah Arghamani, Almag Mayer, Andrei Kozlov, and Shlomi Ziv, were abducted from the Nova Music Festival in southern Israel on October 7th. An estimated 116 of the 250 hostages taken remain in Gaza, and at least 40 of them have been declared dead by authorities. During the raid to rescue the hostages, Israeli forces entered two residential buildings where the hostages were being held separately. Both residential buildings contained three to four stories occupied by families and armed Hamas combatants guarding the hostages. The IDF said
Starting point is 00:05:21 that the three men rescued were being held by a local journalist, Abdullah al-Jamal, who claimed they worked for Al Jazeera, a popular Qatari state-owned news outlet. Al Jazeera denies they ever employed al-Jamal. Al-Jamal's name appeared in just one opinion piece that was published on Al Jazeera, but he was published 16 times since October 7th by the Palestine Chronicle, an English news website and non-profit. During the rescue, a firefight ensued that left scores of Palestinians dead, though the total number of combatants and civilians killed is disputed. Israel Defense Forces claimed the total Palestinian casualties were less than 100, while the Hamas-run Gaza Ministry of Health said 274 people had been killed. Neither death toll has been independently verified, and U.S. National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan said the U.S. may never be
Starting point is 00:06:11 able to do so. Sullivan celebrated the release of the hostages, but called the Palestinian death toll heartbreaking and tragic. I've said before that the Palestinian people are going through hell in this war. They're caught in the crossfire. Hamas hides among civilian infrastructure, hides underground, and puts Palestinian people in harm's way, Sullivan said. Across Israel, celebrations broke out following news of the hostage rescue. Argamani, in particular, had become one of the most recognizable hostages, as video of her being taken into Gaza on the back of a motorcycle while pleading for her life and reaching for her boyfriend has been broadcast across the globe. Argamani's boyfriend is believed to still be held in captive inside Gaza. Meanwhile, leaders across the Arab world condemn the operation, saying Israel violated international and humanitarian law by conducting a dangerous operation that took the lives of so many people.
Starting point is 00:07:05 law by conducting a dangerous operation that took the lives of so many people. The Egyptian foreign minister called the operation a flagrant violation of international law and said it holds Israel legally and morally responsible for this blatant aggression. The rescue operation occurred while Israel and Hamas continued to negotiate a ceasefire deal and hostage release. On Tuesday, Hamas responded to a U.S.proposed ceasefire deal that the United Nations Security Council approved, though whether they accepted the proposal is still unclear. The U.N.-brokered deal contains three phases, beginning with a six-week ceasefire, the release of Israeli hostages and Palestinian prisoners, and a withdrawal of Israeli forces from populated areas in Gaza. Phase one involves the safe distribution of humanitarian aid.
Starting point is 00:07:46 Phase two calls for a permanent end to hostilities in exchange for the release of all the hostages still in Gaza and a full withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza. And phase three launches a major multi-year reconstruction plan for Gaza and the return of the remains of any deceased hostages still in Gaza to their families. Today, we're going to break down some of the remains of any deceased hostages still in Gaza to their families. Today, we're going to break down some of the arguments about the hostage deal and the ceasefire proposal from the right and the left, as well as some opinions from Israelis and Palestinians, and then Isaac's take. First up, let's start with what the left is saying. The left is glad the hostages are home, but says the focus must remain on a ceasefire and hostage release deal. Some argue the operation's death toll should temper celebrations
Starting point is 00:08:45 over the hostages' rescue. The Washington Post editorial board wrote, Israel's rescue of four hostages is good news, but Gaza's suffering can't ease without a truce. There is much we still do not know about what happened as Israeli forces fought their way in and out of the crowded Nusrat area of central Gaza Saturday. One key data point is the precise Palestinian death toll. Alas, it is surely substantial. Hamas officials in Gaza report more than 200 killed. Israeli sources speak to fewer than 100, the board said. What is safe to say is that everyone killed Saturday would likely still be alive
Starting point is 00:09:21 if Hamas' forces had not seized hostages. As part of an operation on October 7th in which they also intentionally killed hundreds of civilians and deliberately held them in densely populated areas. Equally certain, but the opposite of a reason to rejoice, is the fact that the civilian body count in Gaza was already far too high. The enclave's physical destruction after months of Israeli air and artillery strikes against deeply embedded Hamas troops was far too extensive, the board wrote. These numbers bespeak immense human suffering, especially for Gaza's children, and at the urgency of halting the fight, there is a way to achieve that, at least temporarily, the plan President Biden unveiled.
Starting point is 00:10:02 Secretary of State Antony Blinken returns to the Middle East this week for more long-shot negotiations. Those who genuinely seek a better day for the Palestinians and Israelis will be wishing him success. In CNN, Jill Filipovic said, The rescue of Israeli hostages is unquestioned good. The loss of Palestinian life should be unquestioned tragedy. The operation is not an unalloyed victory. The rescue was complex and, as is often the case, did not go all that smoothly. It also extracted a devastating civilian cost, a truth that complicates what should be a happy narrative about innocents rescued in a daring effort, Filipovic wrote. In the end, the four Israeli hostages were thankfully brought home safely, But dozens of Palestinians lost their lives and many more were injured.
Starting point is 00:10:47 The numbers are unclear, but undoubtedly, yet again, innocents were killed in a war they didn't start, and that has resulted in an overwhelming loss of life. The weekend's rescue is a victory for Israel, but one with big caveats. Far too many innocent Gazans have been killed in this war. Many hostages are still in innocent Gazans have been killed in this war. Many hostages are still in captivity. Others have been killed. As with so much else in this war, many observers and commentators evince a stunning disregard for human suffering felt on whichever side they've decided is other.
Starting point is 00:11:17 Some shrug off the mass death of Palestinians as the natural outcome of war, or even a deserved end for civilians included, while others suggest that captivity wasn't so bad for Israeli hostages and whitewash Hamas's brutality and strategy of putting civilians in the crossfire. Alright, that's it for what the left is saying, which brings us to what the right is saying. The right celebrates the rescue, arguing Israel was well within its rights to carry out the operation. Some say Hamas is to blame for the civilian death toll and criticizes the media's framing of the mission. The Wall Street Journal editorial board criticized those who blame Israel
Starting point is 00:12:02 for rescuing its people. The non-surprise is that professional anti-Israel voices, United Nations officials, and the European Union foreign policy chief rushed to attack Israel. Egypt condemned the operation in the strongest terms. How dare Israel rescue its own citizens? Didn't it know there would be casualties? The BBC asked whether Israel gave a warning to the rescue raid that was coming. Seriously? A tip-off to terrorists? Perhaps read them their Miranda rights too, the board said. Haters of Israel will blame it and excuse Hamas every time,
Starting point is 00:12:36 and the media are easily manipulated into playing along. The Hamas figure is likely inflated, and it includes the terrorists killed trying to stop the rescue, as well as those who hid the hostages. Hamas started the war with a massacre, took these hostages, and hid them in a crowded civilian area. Then, when Israel came to free them, Hamas responded with heavy fire, including RPGs. Yet people are condemning Israel. It makes me wonder if the West has lost the moral discernment and instinct for self-preservation needed to defend itself in a world of killers.
Starting point is 00:13:07 Hamas could not survive if not for its enablers around the world. In The Federalist, David Harsanyi wrote, If you don't want to be killed, don't take hostages. Critics of Israel now ask the usual dishonest question. Are four lives worth the alleged 200-plus Arabs that were lost rescuing them? question. Are four lives worth the alleged 200 plus Arabs that were lost rescuing them? Israel is the only nation on earth that is tasked with protecting its own people and its enemies, Harsani said. Every innocent lost life is, of course, a tragedy. But if you don't want to be placed in harm's way, don't hold hostages in your homes and neighborhoods, and don't cheer and
Starting point is 00:13:41 support a government that puts your life in constant danger for a lost cause. This is the reality of the world. Even if there were over 200 dead, it is surely the case that many of the dead were members of Hamas or holding hostages of their own volition or helping those holding hostages. Avoid doing so if you value your life, Harsani added. In the end, of course, this could all end today if the hostages were returned and Hamas would unconditionally surrender. Israel haters who fashion themselves peaceniks will blame everyone, Netanyahu, Biden, colonialism, racism, etc., etc., but the Islamists who caused this war.
Starting point is 00:14:31 All right, that is it for what the left and the right are saying, which brings us to what some Palestinian and Israeli writers are saying. Many Palestinian writers mourn the loss of civilian life in the raid, with some assigning dual responsibility to Israel and Hamas for the loss of life. Most Israeli writers praise the IDF for rescuing the hostages, but say a peace deal remains the best chance to bring the rest of them home. On X, formerly known as Twitter, Ahmed Fahd al-Khatib shared his thoughts, observations, and rants about the operation. It should go without saying at this point that we wouldn't be here had it not been for Hamas's criminality on October 7th, and that these hostages should never have been taken or held this long. This entirely avoidable war was started by Hamas, and the buck stops with them, Al-Khatib said.
Starting point is 00:15:14 It's been weird, strange, gross, revealing, and disappointing to see some pro-Palestine activists go straight into meltdown mode over the fact that Hamas no longer holds these hostages. Not the death of numerous Palestinian civilians during the raid, but the idea that Hamas no longer has Zionist prisoners who have been consistently dismissed and dehumanized since October 7th. It's been disgusting, upsetting, and quite frankly, enraging to see the utter dehumanization of the Palestinian civilian losses and victims of some pro-Israel activists who have so little capacity for compassion and empathy that the hundreds who have been killed are all terrorists, Al-Khatib wrote. Those who did not push for a ceasefire
Starting point is 00:15:56 hostage deal, who dehumanized the people of Gaza, and who are blinded by rage, hate, and a desire for revenge, those who do not view the Palestinians as people worthy of life or basic liberty, and are unwilling to register Israel's role in the unfolding catastrophe, including by supporting Hamas for years and letting its rule fester, you own this, and you are part of this catastrophe. The Haaretz editorial board said, Israel cannot count on more heroic operations. A hostage deal must come next. Thanks to Saturday's operation to rescue four hostages from Hamas, the public's confidence in the Israeli Defense Force's ability to protect the country's citizens has been restored slightly after having been smashed to pieces in October, the board wrote. But at the same time, it's
Starting point is 00:16:42 important to stress that the way to free the 120 hostages still held by Hamas, only about half of whom are still alive, is through a deal. This is the position of the military and senior defense officials. Not only the security risks, but also the number of Palestinian civilians killed in the operation, including children, must be considered. Eight months of war have proved that the idea that military pressure would advance the hostages' release is an utter lie. We must not let those who want to prolong the war exploit the operation's success to continue placing the war's continuation at the top of our national agenda ahead of bringing home the hostages, the board said. We must not let the far right sacrifice the remaining hostages on the altar of its messianic ambitions. After the successful
Starting point is 00:17:25 rescue, Israel must cooperate with the United States and advance a hostage deal in all earnestness. And now let's head over to Isaac for his take. All right, that is it for what the left and the right are saying with some views from abroad, which brings us to my take. I'll be honest here that in a lot of ways, I feel like I'm running out of things to say. I'm just tired. I mean, am I happy to hear of the hostages rescue? Of course. I was elated when the headlines came across my news feeds, in part because of the names, like Noah, whose story feels familiar and close, and in part because of what it signified, one inch closer to getting all of the hostages out
Starting point is 00:18:16 of Gaza and home and a potential end of the war. But the feeling is fleeting, as good news during wartime usually is. The horror was made plain a few sentences later. At least 200 Palestinians, including children, were killed, a Gaza health official said, or video of the aftermath showed charred bodies strewn across streets, covered in rubble as residents gathered the remains of those killed in sacks. We likely won't know the real death toll of operations like this for some time, maybe never, but that number appears to be at least in the dozens. How many were willing combatants and how many were innocent bystanders? I really can't give you those answers from my
Starting point is 00:18:56 office here in Philadelphia. Reporters across the border in Israel are interviewing Gazans who say their children were killed in the fighting. Video and photo evidence shows the dead on top of the dead. At least some of the people caught in this crossfire were certainly innocent, and the humanitarian horror on the ground continues to grow. Details of the operation are difficult to read, but they're worth taking in. They show the consequences of a fight between Hamas, a militant group willing to intentionally endanger the population it claims to fight for by hiding hostages among them, and Israel's military, which values the lives of its citizens more than the lives of Palestinian bystanders, so much so that it's willing to kill dozens or hundreds if it means rescuing a few of their own. It's hard to assess how these calculations are made as an outsider. If my friends, family, or even just fellow citizens
Starting point is 00:19:44 had been held hostage for eight months, I'm sure I'd be willing to accept a lot of pain and loss of others to get them home. There continue to be no good options and no easy answers for Israel. I've been appreciating the commentary of Ahmed Bouad Al-Khatib, a fellow at the Atlantic Council from Gaza City, who describes himself as pro-Palestine, anti-occupation, anti-Hamas, pro-peace, and says he has lost 31 family members in the war. Though I haven't felt nearly the suffering he has, when I read him grapple with the Israel-Palestine conflict, I see a lot of the same torment that I feel. On a day where I feel a loss for words,
Starting point is 00:20:21 I appreciated the perspectives he manages to hold at the same time, which I find worth reiterating here. This is some of what he wrote, quote, Some of the testimonies and accounts that I've encountered have confirmed it a disturbing trend. IDF soldiers were shooting and killing upon contact with any unknown subjects. In other words, there was little to no effort to discriminate targets based on their gender, proximity to the hostages' locations, or their possession of firearms. Yes, Hamas had those hostages in people's homes, Gazans who were connected to the Islamist group. However, Hamas' operational security protocols likely ensured that most civilians in the immediate vicinity proximity had no idea that
Starting point is 00:21:00 hostages were being held there. This means there truly were innocent, uninvolved civilians near the hostages who, for no fault of their own, were eliminated by the IDF. Ahmed continues, Those who did not call on Hamas to release the hostages, who dehumanized Israeli hostages and captives, calling them prisoners of war and thinking that they're legitimate spoils of war, those who celebrated October 7th as resistance and cheered on Hamas, those who championed the armed resistance narrative, you own part of this. This is partly on you. Yes, your ignorance, arrogance, short-sightedness, inhumanity, and grift got us here. Imagine if the entirety of the pro-Palestine movement in unison called for the release of Israeli hostages, or at the very least the women, children, elderly, and the dead. Imagine if Hamas faced this popular public moral pressure and realized that its actions are profoundly unpopular and despised
Starting point is 00:21:50 that it had to concede to protect its people and not lose the narrative. But no, you went along with the disaster, and now you're upset that your beloved terror group is continuing to get Palestinians annihilated." So what now? Well, more news of ceasefire talks, which, like all good news during wartime, seem fleeting. Every time we hear of a few incremental steps forward toward a deal, rumors leak to the press and the deal collapses and then we start all over. These days, even news of a UN-backed proposal gaining traction among both Hamas and Israel leaves me feeling skeptical. As much as I still want to see a ceasefire deal, despite the numerous strong arguments against it, I genuinely have no faith that one is coming imminently, all the press reports and headlines be damned. I'm glad the
Starting point is 00:22:35 hostages are home, heartened to see Israelis celebrate their rescue, and rather stunned that such an operation actually got them out alive. But the feeling is short-lived. The war rages on, the tragedies mount, and I don't see any end in sight. All right, that is it for my take, which brings us to your questions answered. This one's from Tony in Kirksville, Missouri. Tony said, what is going on with the now 13 counties seceding from Oregon to join Idaho? Okay, so this one is a little nuts and at the same time, kind of brilliantly simple. On May 21st, 54% of Crook County residents voted to pass a measure to leave the state of Oregon and join Idaho. These residents, along with a majority of Oregonians in 12 other eastern counties, have decided that they just have more in common with Idaho and want to join their more conservative
Starting point is 00:23:34 eastern neighbor. The Oregon-Idaho line was established 163 years ago and now it is outdated, according to the Greater Idaho Movement. It makes no sense in its current location because it doesn't match the location of the cultural divide in Oregon. The Oregon-Washington line was updated in 1958. It's time to move other state lines, too. In an interview with Fox News, the Greater Ohio Movement's executive director, Matt McCaw, broke down a lot of the reasons why. Borders have always been arbitrary and have moved before. Eastern and Western Oregon have a very different geography and very different cultures, and the majority of residents in Eastern Oregon agree with Idaho's conservative policies, like lower state sales taxes and a lower minimum wage. So, will it happen? Well, not likely. It's very hard to
Starting point is 00:24:20 secede from any state in the United States. In order for any county or municipality to swap states, both state legislatures would have to approve the measure, as would Congress. The call on the Greater Idaho Movement have gotten pretty far, but you're likely to have just witnessed its high watermark. Western Oregon and Western Washington have had their own failed secession plans into the state of Cascadia, just as the Mormon state of Deseret failed to secede from Utah into California, and Nantuckeret failed to secede from Utah into California, and Nantucket has failed to secede from Massachusetts into New York, and the city of Killington has failed to secede from Vermont into New Hampshire, and so on. Still, it is remarkable as a news bulletin that illustrates the political divisions we are witnessing today,
Starting point is 00:25:00 even at the hyper-local level like this. In some ways, I admire the gumption of the Eastern Oregonians pursuing this, but at the same time, it makes me worried. Worried that we are so incapable of living among folks whom we disagree that we would literally rather secede than learn to live amongst each other. Alright, that is it for your questions answered. I'm going to send it back to John for the rest of the pod, and I'll see you guys tomorrow. to John for the rest of the pod, and I'll see you guys tomorrow. Thanks, Isaac. And here's your Under the Radar story for today, folks. Federal agents arrested eight Tajikistan nationals in the U.S. on immigration charges after they were linked to terrorism networks, U.S. law enforcement officials said.
Starting point is 00:25:41 The arrests were made by the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Los Angeles, New York, and Philadelphia. One source said the suspects had entered through the southern border where the officials who had screened them did not identify any ties to terrorism. A second source said the officials later discovered links between the individuals and ISIS, which prompted the investigation that led to their arrests. CNN has this story, and there's a link in today's episode description. All right, next up is our numbers section. The percentage of Israeli citizens who say a deal for the release of the remaining hostages in Gaza should be Israel's highest priority is 62%, according to a May 2024 survey by the Israeli Democracy Institute. The percentage of Israeli citizens who say they are optimistic about the future of Israel's
Starting point is 00:26:29 national security is 32%. The percentage of Gazans who say a member of their family has been killed during the current war is 61%, according to a June 2024 poll by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research. The percentage of Palestinians living in the Gaza Strip who support Hamas's decision to attack Israel on October 7th is 57%. The percentage who said they supported the October 7th attack in May 2024 was 71%. The respective split between Hamas and Israel for whom Palestinians living in the Gaza Strip believe will win the war, is 48% and 25% respectively. The percentage of Palestinians living in the Gaza Strip who want Hamas to remain in control of the area is 46%. The percentage of deaths in Gaza identified as women and children in October of 2023 is 64%, according to an analysis by the Associated Press.
Starting point is 00:27:27 And the percentage of deaths in Gaza identified as women and children in April 2024 was 38%. All right, and last but not least, our have a nice day story. 50 years ago, researchers discovered a hole in the ozone layer over Antarctica, allowing cancer-causing radiation to reach Earth's surface. The hole in the ozone was caused by chlorofluorocarbons, which can destroy thousands of ozone molecules with a single chlorine atom and linger in the atmosphere for hundreds of years. Shortly after the discovery, countries signed on to the 1987 Montreal Protocol
Starting point is 00:28:03 to phase out production of CFCs, and production of CFCs has been banned globally since 2010. Depletion of ozone slowed, and now, for the first time since 1987, researchers have detected a significant dip in atmospheric levels of hydrochloric carbons. The Washington Post has this story, and there's a link in today's episode description. All right, everybody, that is it for today's episode. As always, if you'd like to support our work, please go to readtangle.com and sign up for a membership. As Isaac mentioned at the top, we move our Undecideds podcast to its own individual page, and we'd really appreciate it if y'all could go over there, give it a five-star rating, leave a comment, and show us some love on that. We'll be right back here tomorrow. For
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