Tangle - Israel's strike in Rafah, and an update on the war.

Episode Date: May 28, 2024

The latest in the Israel-Hamas war. On Monday, Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu acknowledged a "tragic mistake" after a strike in Rafah killed at least 45 Palestinians sheltering in a tent camp, according to local officials. Israel initially claimed the strike hit a Hamas installation and killed two senior militants, though it announced an investigation into the incident shortly after news broke about the civilian death toll.You can read today's podcast⁠ ⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠, our “Under the Radar” story ⁠here and today’s “Have a nice day” story ⁠here⁠.YouTube comments are usually a place to find complaints, anger, and division. But on our latest video — my interview with Haviv Gur — I’ve been humbled to find overwhelmingly positive feedback. If you haven’t gotten the chance to watch, click the link and see what everyone is talking about, and leave some of your thoughts too.In episode 3 of The Undecideds, our focus shifts from Donald Trump toward President Joe Biden. Much has been made in the media about his age and memory and whether he’s cognitively capable of handling another term. But an unanticipated performance at the State of the Union reignited his base and left many questioning that narrative. And while Donald Trump faces a jury of his peers in court, the court of public opinion continues to weigh in on the effectiveness of Biden’s foreign policies, with an eye to the conflicts between Israel and Palestine, Ukraine and Russia, and our own protracted clash at our southern border.  Our undecided voters share their observations on the current commander in chief and how his decisions on the world stage affect their decision in the voting booth. You can listen to Episode 3 ⁠⁠here.⁠⁠Today’s clickables: Haviv Gur YouTube video (1:02), Quick hits (3:09), Today’s story (5:09), Left’s take (8:30), Right’s take (11:10), Israeli and Palestinian takes (13:54), Isaac’s take (16:38), Listener question (21:00), Under the Radar (23:54), Numbers (24:39), Have a nice day (25:59)You can subscribe to Tangle by clicking here or drop something in our tip jar by clicking here. Take the survey: How do you think Israel should pursue its Rafah operation? Let us know!Our podcast is written by Isaac Saul and edited and engineered by Jon Lall. Music for the podcast was produced by Diet 75. Our newsletter is edited by Managing Editor Ari Weitzman, Will Kaback, Bailey Saul, Sean Brady, and produced in conjunction with Tangle’s social media manager Magdalena Bokowa, who also created our logo. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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From executive producer Isaac Saul, this is Tangle. Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening, and welcome to the Tangle podcast, a place where you get views from across the political spectrum, some independent thinking, and a little bit of my take. I'm your host, Isaac Saul, and on today's episode, we're going to be talking about the strike in Rafah that has killed dozens of civilians, along with some Hamas militants, according to reports on the ground. We're going to be breaking down the state of the war, where things are, all the latest big news stories that have come out around the war. It has been a very busy few weeks since we updated last. And of course, we're going to have some opinions from the left and the right here in the U.S., and today we're also going to share some views from Israel and from the Palestinian perspective. Before we jump in, though,

related to today's main story, I also wanted to point people to my interview with Haviv Gur that went up on Sunday in our podcast and also is up on our YouTube channel if you prefer to watch or listen on YouTube. This is one of the best interviews that I've ever done, and I say best not because I believe everything Haviv says. In fact, part of the reason I brought him on is because we disagree on some stuff, though his arguments are so cogent that I think they move my position in some ways. But just because I think Khabib is so well-informed, so thoughtful, and really just somebody who can articulate more dynamics and more elements around this war in a way that has so much historical context and depth that I just don't see a lot of other people doing,

whether it's pundits here in the US or even often pundits from Israel or Palestinian background or whatever it is. Haviv, to me, is just somebody who, as he says, is deeply confused. But I think that confusion is a product of just how much he understands about the conflict. And I think anybody who understands it knows that it is pretty complex. So I encourage you to go listen to it. One of the comments on the YouTube video of our interview I want to just share is it was representative of the response we got to just share as it was representative of the response we got to it. The commenter said, wow, this interview blew me away. It is food for

thought delivered with a degree of depth I've only occasionally come close to seeing a handful of times. I'll have to go follow Haviv Gur now. That's the sentiment, I think. So if you're interested in something like that, or if you want to hear more about this conflict after listening to today's podcast, I encourage you to either go back to Sunday's podcast or go to our YouTube channel, or you can listen to the interview. All right, with that out of the way, I'm going to pass it back to John to break down today's main story, and then I will be back for my take and your questions answered. answered. Thank you, Isaac, and welcome, everybody. Hope you all had a great Memorial Day weekend. Here are today's quick hits. First up, lawmakers in Louisiana passed legislation criminalizing the possession of certain abortion pills without a prescription with a punishment of up to 10 years

in prison. Number two, at least 21 people were killed by tornadoes and severe storms that swept across Texas, Arkansas, Oklahoma, and Kentucky. Number three, the Libertarian Party nominated Chase Oliver as their presidential candidate over the weekend, rejecting appeals from Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Donald Trump to not nominate a candidate. Number four, President Trump told donors that if he is re-elected, he will deport pro-Palestinian protesters and end demonstrations happening on college campuses across the country.

And number five, a bipartisan U.S. congressional delegation arrived in Taiwan following the inauguration of President Lai Cheng-ta in spite warnings from China. Overnight, fire and horror in Rafah. An Israeli airstrike at a camp for displaced civilians setting tents and cars aflame. Fire crews in Hamas-run Gaza say at least 40 people were killed,

many of them women and children. One of the deadliest bombings in Rafah of the entire war. A deadly Israeli airstrike in Rafah drawing international condemnation this morning. At least 40 people were killed, dozens injured at a tent camp Sunday night where displaced civilians were sheltering in a designated safe zone. Israel says it was targeting Hamas commanders. The IDF said the strike killed two senior Hamas commanders. But amid international criticism, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu calling it a tragic incident and promising an investigation. Though giving no sign he'll halt the military offensive in Rafah. On Monday, Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu acknowledged a tragic mistake

after a strike in Rafah killed at least 45 Palestinians sheltering in a tent camp, according to local officials. Israel initially claimed the strike hit a Hamas installation and killed two senior militants, though it announced an investigation into the incident shortly after news broke about the civilian death toll. Despite our utmost efforts not to harm innocent civilians, last night was a tragic mistake, Netanyahu said in an address to Israel's parliament. We are investigating the incident and will obtain a conclusion because this is our policy. Roughly three weeks ago, Israeli forces began their long-anticipated offensive in the city of Rafah in southern Gaza.

Israel is pursuing the remaining Hamas battalions that have been sheltering in the city while attempting to free or recover Israeli hostages whom it believes are being held in the Rafah region. Since the fighting began, roughly 800,000 Palestinians have fled Rafah, some through corridors Israel has organized. Shortly after the strike, the White House said it was assessing whether the act violated President

Joe Biden's red line on Israel's military operation. Biden has threatened to suspend weapons delivery if Israel enters civilian population centers in Rafah. Separately, Egypt said one of its soldiers had been killed during an exchange of gunfire with the Israeli defense forces in the Rafah area. On Monday, the IDF and Egyptian armed forces each released statements saying they are investigating the shooting. The latest incidents follow a series of notable events in the war. Last week, International Criminal Court Prosecutor Kareem Khan announced that he had requested arrest warrants for war crimes and crimes against humanity for Netanyahu, Israeli Defense Minister

Yoav Galant, and the leaders of Hamas. Khan accused Netanyahu and Galant of starving civilians as a weapon of war and intentionally directing attacks against civilian populations. He charged Hamas leaders Yaha Sinwar, Mohamed Daif, and Ismail Hanyi with war crimes, including the killing of hundreds of Israeli civilians on October 7th and taking at least 245 hostages. Then, the International Court of Justice, the United Nations' top court, issued a dramatic ruling ordering Israel to immediately halt its military offensive in Rafah in support of an application from South Africa. Israel rejected the court's ruling, which has no enforcement mechanism, and said its military offensive was in accordance with international law. Over the weekend, Hamas also said it had fired rockets into Tel Aviv and central Israel,

the first time in nearly four months the group has fired into the area. Meanwhile, organized attacks by Israeli settlers on humanitarian aid coming from the West Bank to Gaza have escalated, with extremists ransacking trucks and beating Palestinian drivers. Finally, on May 16th, Israel announced it had found the bodies of four Israeli hostages kidnapped on October 7th. Itzhak Gelarenter, Amit Buskela, Ram Benjamin, and Shani Loke. Their bodies were reportedly discovered inside a Hamas tunnel that was hidden beneath a home. Today, we're going to take a look at some opinions from the latest in the war, with views from the left and right,

and opinions from Israeli and Palestinian writers, and then Isaac's take. First up, we'll start with what the left is saying. The left is horrified by the strike on civilians in Rafah, suggesting the U.S. has aided Israel in committing war crimes. Others say Israel's international standing is crumbling. In Jacobin, Siraj Asi called the strike on the Rafah camp yet another heinous war crime. The Rafah Tents Massacre comes days after the International Court of Justice ordered Israel to halt its military offensive there, and shortly after the International Criminal Court said it was applying for arrest warrants for Israeli leaders. Effectively in response, Israel has bombarded Rafah with unprecedented brutality,

Asi wrote. In a flagrant violation of international norms and humanitarian laws, Israel continues to act with total impunity in Gaza, enjoying Western complicity and emboldened by U.S. unconditional military and diplomatic support. For over eight months, Palestinians in Gaza have been sharing live videos of their daily executions, pleading with the world to stop the carnage. But the Western political class has remained silent, piping up only to offer platitudes about human rights and international law, while refusing to rein in Israel's unhinged barbarity, Asi said.

Every day, a new threshold of evil is crossed, and just when we thought we couldn't see anything more heinous, Israel has plumbed greater into depths of savagery. The Economist wrote about a week of diplomatic blows for Israel. It has been a week of diplomatic disasters for Israel. It began on Monday with Karim Khan, the prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, requesting arrest warrants for Israel's Prime Minister and Defense Minister. It ended on Friday with the International Court of Justice ordering Israel to limit its military offensive in Rafah. In the span of five days, the world's top two courts issued harsh reprimands for the Jewish state, the writers said. There is no chance that Benjamin Netanyahu will heed the court's order

and scale back the offensive in Rafah. Though Israel is a member of the ICJ, it could simply announce that it will ignore the decree. The court has no enforcement powers. Israel has a choice. It can stop the fighting in Rafah or improve conditions in the rest of Gaza. America seems determined to help it do the latter, the writers added. The ICJ's order is vaguely worded and cannot be enforced. The ICC will probably never get Mr. Netanyahu in the dock. The decision to recognize Palestine by three European states, Ireland, Norway, and Spain, is a symbolic one. Put them together, though, and they show an isolated country almost entirely reliant on America for support. All right, that's it for what the left is saying, which brings us to what the right is saying. The right criticizes the ICC and the ICJ for their decisions in the past week.

Others say Israel must ignore international disapproval and finish its operation in Rafah. The Wall Street Journal editorial board argued the International Court of Justice is detached from reality on Rafah. Because Hamas isn't party to the ICJ trial, the ruling demands nothing of it, while seeming to tell Israel unilaterally to stop fighting in the terrorist's last stronghold, the board said. What about the Israelis held hostage in Rafah? The ICJ knows that Hamas refuses to release them, which the ruling calls deeply troubling. Well, thanks, but the judges effectively asked Israel to abandon the hostages. Like most rulings from the Hague, this one will be ignored. The inversion of international law is something to behold.

Hamas slaughters Israeli civilians and hides behind its own so that Israel stands accused. The ICJ's presiding judge is Lebanon's Noaf Salam, whose bias is outrageous. He has denounced Israel for decades and is active in Lebanese politics, having twice been a candidate for prime minister since joining the bench in The Hague. The transparent nature of the ICJ ruling has the benefit of making it easier to dismiss. In town hall, Jonathan Feldstein said, Israel is standing alone among the nations of the world. The ICJ made no demands on or recognition of any culpability for Hamas and its terrorist and genocidal agenda and actions for its massacre of 1,200 people in one day on October 7th to release the hostages they

still hold in captivity illegally or censured Hamas for unspeakable sexual crimes, Feldstein wrote. Earlier the same week, the International Criminal Court prosecutor announced intentions to issue arrest warrants against Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu and Defense Minister Golan. Few nations have responded to call out the injustice of this kangaroo court, its overreach and lack of jurisdiction, the unimaginable comparison between Israel and Hamas, or the very anti-Semitic nature of its prosecutor and the ICC itself. Not to be left on the sideline, the same week, Ireland, Norway, and Spain colluded to become the latest countries to recognize a fictitious State of Palestine, a punitive act against

Israel and a gift to the terrorists. If Hamas celebrates, you know it's immoral. These nations made their policy clear, that if you massacre enough Jews, we will appease you and recognize your independence without having to negotiate with Israel or renounce terror against Israel. This is now the state policy of these three morally bankrupt nations. Alright, that is it for what writers on the right and the left are saying. Now we'll take a look at what some Israeli and Palestinian writers are saying. The flu remains a serious disease.

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November's hostage deal feels like a distant memory in terms of this war. We are almost in June, and Israel says around 100 hostages are still captive in Gaza, along with the bodies of at least 39 more, while 17 bodies of hostages have been recovered. The numbers reflect the stark reality that efforts to bring all hostages home have not been successful, and the situation remains dire, the board said. For 232 days, the hostages have been in captivity. That's 232 days that Israel's military has failed to bring them all home. The operation that Israel launched earlier this month has been limited for the time being. If Israel wants to succeed in its stated

goal of bringing home the hostages, perhaps it is time to consider doing more, the board wrote. The political and military leadership of Israel needs to consider what would make the Rafah operation a success. Israel's government has failed the hostages and their families. Israel's military has failed the hostages and their families. At some point, they need to be held responsible. In The Nation, Ahmed Abu Artema said, Gazans don't need Biden's PR stunts. We need him to end this horror. I am now back in Khan Yunis, though still without a home. The city is completely destroyed. I see displaced families fleeing anew, wandering with uncertainty, as there's no safe place in Gaza from Israel's campaign of genocide. Most have no source of income since the economy has completely

collapsed, Artema wrote. All services have collapsed. Garbage is piled up and streams of sewage are everywhere, foreshadowing environmental disasters and outbreaks of deadly epidemics. The most frequently asked question, when will this nightmare end? We don't need empty words of concern or cynical PR stunts like airdrops or floating piers. We need the international community, and the Biden administration in particular, to impose a ceasefire on Israel and to stop the invasion of Rafah and the destruction of Gaza. We need the world to take a stand against the policies of collective punishment on civilians through repeated displacement, endless massacres, widespread

destruction, and denying people access to food and other basic necessities of life. All right, let's send it back to Isaac for his take. All right, that is it for the left and the right and some views from Israel and Palestine, which brings me to my take. So, as this conflict has gone on, I've started to reconcile the two different ways that I've been processing it. My straightforward reaction to stories like this most recent strike, as well as the images depicting current life in Gaza, is an overwhelming urge to see the war end. Learning of life on the ground, collapsed services, dead children, starving civilians, it's pure agony. When I read firsthand accounts of conditions in Gaza, like the one published by Ahmed Abu Artima under what Palestinian writers are saying, I'm not sure how anyone could feel anything besides horror, regardless of how you feel

about his politics. Feeling empathy for those suffering is simple, and there's a real case that Israel leaving Gaza and ending its military operation will, at least in a significant way, end that suffering. I want to be clear that this feeling, this horror, this empathy, is my prevailing reaction. Sometimes I can't tell if I'm working backward emotionally from my desire to see the suffering end, to justify calling for a ceasefire, or if I'm truly coming to the position logically. But I have a hard time taking in the full depth of the situation Gazans are in, trapped inside this tiny box of war, and not feeling a deep sense of anguish for them. My other reaction

is more complex, a dispassionate weighing of the pros and cons of ending the war in academic terms. Is it better to destroy Hamas with massive collateral damage and create hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who will never forgive Israel, or to end the war and stop the bloodshed but risk Hamas's revival and further atrocities? How important is Israel's collapsing approval among world powers versus its internal political discord? What will Hamas's survival or continued governance mean to Iran or Hezbollah? Can Hamas even be destroyed? Can Israel's reputation be restored? And if it can't, if Israel is bound to be loathed by Hamas and Palestinians and

international leaders and college protesters in the U.S., regardless of what it does next, then should it even weigh those perspectives at all? Why not just act in pure self-interest? The more I learn, the less confident I am in drawing firm conclusions. My interview with Israeli analyst Aviv Gur is timely for today's edition. Aviv Gur is timely for today's edition. If you're looking for arguments to counter those shared by past Tangle guests like Yusef Muneir or Daniel Benora, I really can't recommend it strongly enough. We spoke before news of the strike in Rafah broke, but Gur made the strongest argument I've heard yet, that this push into Rafah isn't just necessary for Israel, but is the best-case scenario for many Palestinians, too, who will otherwise find

themselves back under Hamas rule in just a few months. Along with Gurr's argument and point of view, he gives a lot of important historical context and commentary about the state of Islam in our interview. Rather than try to briefly summarize those points, I'll just again suggest that you listen to him make them himself. But I will emphasize one message Gur shared in an optimistic tone toward the end of our interview, that Israeli politics are fundamentally reactive to the state of the Palestinian political movement. He suggested that a renewed peace process is going to be possible when, or if, Hamas is no longer the group leading the Palestinians and Israelis feel like they have a partner they can work with who is genuinely interested in pursuing peace. My biggest fear, and the one I articulated to Gur, is that this

reactiveness goes both ways. That Palestinians are reactive to Israeli politics and Israeli action, and that this war is sending them a giant signal that their only option is a continued violent resistance. If Israelis feel more willing to work with Palestinians, how much will that matter if months of horror in Gaza have already created more generations of Palestinians who will never be capable of seeing Israel as anything other than a violent occupier? I'm not certain that this will be the outcome here, but it's the one I genuinely worry about the most. And this latest strike, plus Israel's continued collapsing support around the world,

just makes me more and more worried. Alright, that is it for my take, which brings us to your questions answered. This one's from James in Delray Beach, Florida. James said, do you think that either party could easily win the presidential election if they just changed their candidate? How many people are like me and have dislike bordering on disdain for both candidates and would probably vote for anyone else regardless of party affiliation? I'm not counting third-party candidates, as that's nothing more than a protest vote, though I may still do that. Okay, so I like this question, thank you James, and I like it because my answer has changed from what it would have been if you asked me a few months ago. At that time, I would have said,

yes, definitely. In February, I wrote favorably about an argument put forward by Ezra Klein that Joe Biden should step aside at the Democratic convention and allow the DNC to put forward another candidate. And since then, nothing has changed, which, in a way, is the change. If the Democrats had started putting forward a recognizable candidate like California Governor Gavin Newsom earlier, then I think he could have won. But now it's too late for an unannounced candidate from either party to be taken seriously, and the opposition would easily paint the other side as panicking. As much as I appreciate Dean Phillips and Marianne Williamson for playing ball in the primary and for sitting for interviews with us, I just don't think either of them had a real shot at the big job. I have a couple of other points to make on

this too. First of all, I'm starting to feel like the emails I get and the reactions I'm seeing to this election are following the four stages of grief. At first, there was a lot of denial that Biden and Trump would win their primaries. Then anger. Now I'm seeing a lot of bargaining. Maybe there'll be somebody else. Some of you are farther along and into despair, but most people aren't there yet. Sooner or later, though, you've got to accept it. A willing last-second change is just not going to happen. The asterisk here is the ever-present chance that one of the candidates has a major health crisis or legal issue that prevents them from running.

My other thought is that both candidates won their primaries. They may both be reviled by independents and opposition voters in about a third of their own party, but they each won their respective primaries. And honestly, I think I've said something like that to each question about this election I've gotten. So I'm also getting the feeling like the point isn't landing adequately. Again, they won their primaries. These are the candidates we have because they're the candidates the people who participated in the primary process chose. So for everyone feeling so much despair about our candidates, I sincerely hope you're pairing it with a commentary or thought about the primary system itself. Otherwise, I'll remind you that these are the choices we have because these are

the candidates the people have chosen. All right, that is it for today's reader question. I'm going to send it back to John for the rest of the pod, and I'll be back here tomorrow. Thank you, Isaac. Here's your under-the-radar story for today, folks. Generation Z is boosting the number of teens working for the first time in decades. In the 1980s, nearly two in three 16 to 19-year-olds were working or actively looking for work. That number has fallen ever since, with as little as 33% working or looking for work in 2014. But that percentage just started to climb back up with the current generation, and the share of teens working or looking for work just hit a 14-year high at 38%.

Analysts believe those percentages are rising as wages go up for those age groups and families need more help navigating rising costs. Axios has this story and there's a link in today's episode description. All right, next up is our numbers section. The respective percentages of Israeli adults who prefer Benny Gantz over Benjamin Netanyahu for prime ministership is 45 and 35 percent, according to a May 2024 poll from Marariv. The estimated number of attendees at a rally in Tel Aviv against Netanyahu's government on Saturday was 80,000, according to protest organizers. organizers. The percentage of Israelis who think Netanyahu is not doing enough to secure the release of Israeli hostages is 53%, according to a May 2024 poll from Kana News. The estimated number of hostages still being held in Gaza is 125, according to Israel's prime minister's office. The estimated number of hostages still in Gaza but believed to be dead is 37, according to Israel's

prime minister's office. The percentage of U.S. voters who say they are closely following the Israel-Hamas war is 73%, up from 66% in April 2024, according to a May 2024 Harvard-Capps-Harris poll. The percentage of U.S. voters who say they support Israel over Hamas in the conflict is 79%. The percentage of U.S. voters who think Israel is trying to avoid civilian casualties in its war against Hamas is 69%, up from 67% in April of 2024.

All right, and last but not least, our Have a Nice Day story. Red sands have been a constant and iconic sight in the Channel Country portion of the Australian outback in Queensland province. But recent rains and floods have turned portions of the region's red sands green. Now, the last dry areas of Queensland have officially had their droughts declared over, marking the first time the province has been drought-free since 2013. It's amazing how well the country within this area

responds to rain, Queensland resident Monique Betts said. You'd probably say you're safe for about 18 months, especially water-wise. ABC News Australia has this story, and there's a link in today's episode description. All right, everybody, that is it for today's episode. As always, if you want to support our work, please go to retangle.com and sign up for a membership.

And as Isaac said at the top, we do have that interview with Isaac and Haviv Gur that is on our YouTube channel. If you haven't had a chance to go watch it, I highly suggest you do. There's about 10,000 views so far and climbing and a lot of comments from people who watched it. We thank you so much for participating.

And if you haven't got a chance to watch it yet, I encourage you to go check it out. Leave a comment. Let us know what you think. And if you want to see more of this kind of coverage, we'll be right back here tomorrow for Isaac and the rest of the crew. This is John Law signing off. Have a great day, y'all. Peace.

great day, y'all. Peace. Our podcast is written by me, Isaac Saul, and edited and engineered by John Wall. The script is edited by our managing editor, Ari Weitzman, Will Kedak, Bailey Saul, and Sean Brady. The logo for our podcast was designed by Magdalena Bokova, who is also our social media manager. Music for the podcast was produced by Diet 75. If you're looking for more from Tangle, please go to readtangle.com and check out our website. We'll be right back. begins to unravel a criminal web, his family's buried history, and what it feels like to be in the spotlight. Interior Chinatown is streaming November 19th, only on Disney+. The flu remains a serious disease. Last season, over 102,000 influenza cases have been reported across Canada, which is nearly double the historic average of 52,000 cases. What can you do this flu

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