Tangle - Kilmar Abrego Garcia returns to the U.S. to face charges.

Episode Date: June 10, 2025

On Friday, the United States returned Kilmar Abrego Garcia from El Salvador to face charges in Tennessee for alleged trafficking of unauthorized migrants and conspiracy. In March, Abrego Garcia was mistakenly sent to the Terrorism Confinement Center, a mega-prison in El Salvador. Then in April, the Supreme Court uphelda ruling by U.S. District Court Judge Paula Xinis requiring the government to facilitate Abrego Garcia’s return. El Salvador agreed to release Abrego Garcia after the U.S. presented it with an arrest warrant, Attorney General Pam Bondi said on Friday. The Trump administration says that Abrego Garcia’s return satisfies the court’s order.Ad-free podcasts are here!Many listeners have been asking for an ad-free version of this podcast that they could subscribe to — and we finally launched it. You can go to ReadTangle.com to sign up!You can read today's podcast⁠ ⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠, our “Under the Radar” story ⁠here and today’s “Have a nice day” story ⁠here⁠.Take the survey: What do you think of Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s case? Let us know!Disagree? That's okay. My opinion is just one of many. Write in and let us know why, and we'll consider publishing your feedback.You can subscribe to Tangle by clicking here or drop something in our tip jar by clicking here. Our Executive Editor and Founder is Isaac Saul. Our Executive Producer is Jon Lall.This podcast was written by Isaac Saul and edited and engineered by Dewey Thomas. Music for the podcast was produced by Diet 75.Our newsletter is edited by Managing Editor Ari Weitzman, Senior Editor Will Kaback, Hunter Casperson, Kendall White, Bailey Saul, and Audrey Moorehead.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening. And welcome to the Tangle Podcast, the place where we get views from across the political spectrum, some independent thinking and a little bit of our take. I'm your host for today, managing editor Ari Weitzman filling in for executive editor Isaac Saul and our executive producer John Laws, the two are in DC working on a YouTube video about Congress for Tangled. So you're stuck with me today, but I'm going to do my best. Here are today's quick hits.

One, the Defense Department mobilized 700 U.S. Marines to Los Angeles in response to protests and riots in parts of the city. Separately, California sued the Trump administration over its deployment of the state's National Guard to Los Angeles in response to protests and riots in parts of the city. Separately, California sued the Trump administration over its deployment of the state's National Guard to Los Angeles. Two, Ukraine said that Russia launched its biggest overnight drone attack since the start of Russia's full-scale invasion, launching an estimated 479 drones at various targets in the country. Separately, Russia and Ukraine completed the first stage of the prisoner exchange agreed to at last week's peace talks in Istanbul. Three, Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F.

Kennedy Jr. said he will remove every member of the independent panel advising the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on vaccines. Kennedy says the move will allow the Trump administration to appoint its own members and restore public trust in vaccines. Four, President Donald Trump spoke with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for 40 minutes on Monday to discuss the administration's ongoing nuclear talks with Iran. And five, Israel intercepted a group of activists, which included climate activist Greta Thunberg, as they attempted to deliver humanitarian aid to Gaza via boat. Thunberg and others were deported. On Friday, the United States returned Kirmar Abrego Garcia from El Salvador

to face charges in Tennessee for alleged trafficking of unauthorized migrants and conspiracy. In March, Abrego Garcia was mistakenly sent to the Terrorism Convignment Center, a mega-prison in El Salvador. Then, in April, the Supreme Court upheld a ruling by U.S. District Court Judge Paula Senes requiring the government to facilitate Abrego Garcia's return. El Salvador agreed to release Abrego Garcia after the U.S. presented it with an arrest warrant, Attorney General Pam Bondi said on Friday. The Trump administration says that a brie garcia's return satisfies the court's order. Let's back up. In March, the Trump administration deported a brie garcia and hundreds of other

non-citizens to a detention facility in El Salvador under the Alien Enemies Act of 1798, which gives the president the wartime authority to deport any foreign nationals of an enemy nation. However, a 2019 court order blocked the government from deporting Abrego Garcia to El Salvador due to threats on his life, and the administration called his deportation an administrative error. President Donald Trump, in an April meeting with Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele, said that he was unable to return Abrego Garcia to the United States. The Justice Department now accuses Ibrego Garcia of federal conspiracy to transport

aliens in unlawful transportation, according to a two-count grand jury indictment filed in the Middle District of Tennessee court last month. Specifically, the indictment alleges that Ibrego Garcia and six unnamed co-conspirators transported unauthorized migrants from the southern border through the United States in association with the gang MS-13 from 2016 to 2025. The Justice Department references a traffic stop in Tennessee in November 22 as evidence, in which a Briega-Garcia was caught speeding in a modified Chevrolet Suburban with nine male passengers not carrying identification.

A Briega-Garcia told police he was returning to Maryland from a construction job in St. Louis, Missouri. This is what American justice looks like, Attorney General Pam Bondi said. Over the past nine years, Abrego Garcia has played a significant role in an alien smuggling ring. Further, Bondi alleged that Abrego Garcia was trafficking weapons, narcotics, and children for MS-13. Simon Sandoval-Motionberg, Obrigo-Garcia's attorney, accused the government of abusing its power

and denied the allegations. The government disappeared Kilmar to a foreign prison in violation of a court order. Now, after months of delay and secrecy, they're bringing him back, not to correct their error, but to prosecute him, Sandoval-Motionberg said in a statement to CNN. "'Due process' means the chance to defend yourself before you're punished, not after."

Ben Schrader, the head of the Criminal Division of the U.S. Attorney's Office in Nashville, Tennessee, resigned shortly after Brigid Garcia's indictment on Friday. Schrader did not comment on the motivation for his resignation. A Brigid Garcia's arraignment hearing is scheduled for June 13th in Nashville. We're gonna cover what the left and right are saying about the case, and then I will read Isaac's take. We'll be right back after this quick break.

Hey, it's Christy from Canadian True Crime, We'll be right back after this quick break. me by Google and talk or type. Gemini, what can I make for dinner with mushroom, cheese and spinach? Here are a few quick dinner ideas. Cheesy mushroom and spinach quesadillas. Sold. Can you cook up for me? I don't have hands, but I can help you cook up great ideas. Learn more about Google Pixel 9 at store.google.com. What is happy travels? It's exploring the world your way and creating cherished memories with a sun vacation,

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Abrega Garcia faces justice. Regarding the celebrated case of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who was deported to El Salvador in violation of a court order, the administration should have brought him back to the U.S. months ago and detained him here until it could figure out what to do with him, the editor said. After devoting countless man-hours to office scanning in courtrooms and legal briefs, the administration has finally veiled itself of this obvious option. Department of Justice lawyers tried to provide as few details about the government's handling of the case as possible, and the administration maintained

the manifestly implausible position that there is nothing they could do to get El Salvador's president, Nayib Bukele, to return Abrego Garcia. All this said, Abrego Garcia was never the father of the year as the left tried to portray him, and he's going to face serious charges of human smuggling. The administration will have to prove its case in court, but the indictment includes

damning facts about one incident we already knew about, when Abrego Garcia was pulled over in Tennessee in 2022 with nine other Hispanic males in his vehicle, the editors wrote. Abrego Garcia never should have been in the United States in the first place, and he abused the asylum process and benefited from lax enforcement in both the Obama and first Trump administrations to stay here. The Trump administration was right to want to deport him. In the Washington Examiner, Peter Latham suggested Democrats Abrego Garcia blunder could haunt the party for years. The democratic beatification of Kilmer Abrego Garcia stands to go down as an historic American political blunder.

The illegal immigrant and MS-13 gang banger accidentally deported to his native El Salvador did not become a martyr randomly. He was purposefully chosen by Democrats and their legacy media machine to highlight the supposed evil of Trump's deportation efforts, Laughin said. The legacy media spread the false idea that A Breger Garcia was a sympathetic political prisoner of Trump's supposedly racist deportation scheme. Headlines depicting him as an innocent law abiding American spread rapidly.

The problem is that this framing and these facts are incorrect upon his return in the United States, who will face charges of human trafficking, which includes unaccompanied minors. He allegedly participated in over 100 trips from Texas to Maryland from 2016 to 2025. He is also being accused of transporting firearms and narcotics purchased in Texas for resale on Maryland, Laughin wrote. The government's evidence will surface slowly as its case unfolds. And each time the public learns some hideous new detail about Abrega Garcia's misdeeds, They will be reminded of the sympathy he received from Democrats and

the legacy media in those early weeks and months. In the Washington Post, Jason Willeck said a Brieger Garcia's return signals a major White House change. What a climb down by White House deputy chief of staff, Stephen Miller. Miller taunted the Supreme court, leafily distorting what it had held. A district judge he claimed had told the Trump administration to kidnap a citizen of El Salvador and fly him back here. But the Supreme Court ruled 9-0 in our favor, Willick wrote.

For weeks afterward, Miller breathed fire in social media while the administration stonewalled in court. But on Friday, Abrega Garcia showed up in Tennessee. The Trump administration decided to kidnap him after all to suit its changing political needs. The media can't resist turning certain subjects into saints and reporters have labored to portray Abrega Garcia sympathetic. But the story was never about a particular migrant's character. At stake is whether the executive branch could send people from US soil to foreign prisons and hold them there even when courts say it is illegal, Willick said.

To convict Abrigo Garcia in the United States, the executive branch has to prove he committed crimes, a non-trivial step it did not take before having him incarcerated abroad. And now that he's back under the jurisdiction of US courts, the administration will have trouble illegally deporting him a second time. In short, the Trump administration was using extra legal methods to punish Abrego Garcia. Now it seems prepared to use legal methods. That is a major change. All right, that's it for what the right is saying.

Here's what the left is saying. The New York Daily News editorial board called Abrego Garcia's return a win for the rule of law. Finally, obeying the Supreme Court's ruling, 9-0, to return to the US, Kilmar Abrego Garcia, the Maryland man with legal protections who was illegally sent to the Seacont mega prison in El Salvador, the Trump administration has followed the law and brought him back. That is good, the board wrote.

Whether the indictment is solid or not, Abrigo Garcia will now have competent legal defense and will be before independent judges. He's entitled to all protections that are due under the Constitution, which the disappearance of him to El Salvador abrogated. There are no new facts in this case, only what was substantially already known to investigators and prosecutors. There could be myriad reasons why federal law enforcement did not take any action beforehand,

ranging from lack of evidence, the simple resource allocation, the board said. But what is certain is the only reason why they're pursuing it now, to send the signal that the Trump government won't tolerate questioning its enforcement efforts and that if you become enough of a public thorn in their side, even if it is the result of popular outrage, you don't have any hand in, they'll go after you.

As predictable as a ploy as this is, it's at least a good thing that he will not remain in the Salvadoran prison system. In Slate, Mark Joseph Stern argued the case against Abrego Garcia is highly suspect. An indictment, which is notoriously easy to obtain, sheds little light on the matter, but already there are at least five reasons to be skeptical that the government is acting in good faith and telling the truth about Abrego Garcia, Stern wrote. First, it is unclear whether Trump administration waited so long to bring this indictment if the facts are as damning and undeniable as it claims. Second, and relatedly, the federal government took a very different view of the 2022 indictment

when it occurred. There is no overt evidence that Obrigo-Garcia was smuggling immigrants across the country as prosecutors now claim. Third, as Just Securities' Ryan Goodman has noted, the government's account of the 2022 traffic stop has shifted. Fourth, prosecutors have now brought forth a raft of disturbing allegations about Obrigo-Garcia's behavior, accusing him of regularly smuggling guns, transporting migrants for cash, and attempting to solicit child pornography.

But it has provided literally no supporting evidence for its claims about child pornography or even the scantest details about this eye-popping accusation, Stern said. Finally, ABC News has reported that Ben Schrader, a high ranking federal prosecutor in Tennessee, has resigned over his office's conduct in this case, fearing that Ibriga Garcia was targeted for political reasons. In the Atlantic, Nick Meyeroff wrote, Kilmer Ibriga Garcia was never coming back. Then he did. The Trump administration will get its opportunity to prove what it has long alleged about Ibriga Garcia's membership in the gang MS-13. Even if prosecutors fail to convict him, the government could attempt to deport him to a third country, just not back to El Salvador, Myroff said.

But by bringing him back to the United States, the Trump administration has climbed down from the court-defying pedestal where Vice President J.D. Vance, the advisor Stephen Miller and cabinet officials perched for months, claiming that a Brieger Garcia's deportation was not in fact a mistake and that he would never be allowed to set foot in the country again. Their obstinacy led to warnings of a constitutional crisis. Now, by bringing Abrego Garcia back to face criminal charges, the administration could quiet the constitutional concerns about his due process rights and lay out the evidence

it claims to possess, Meyeroff wrote. This is the second time in a week that Trump officials have relented on one of the cases in which federal judges order the government to bring back a deportee or move from the country without due process. A gay Guatemalan asylum seeker known in court documents as OCG, who was wrongly deported to Mexico, was allowed to return and pursue his prosecution claim on Wednesday. All right, that's it for what the right and left are saying, which brings us to Isaac's My Take.

All right, that's it for what the left and right are saying, which brings me to Isaac's Take. Again, this is Ari here reading Isaac's take for today. First and foremost, I'm glad Abrigo Garcia is coming back to the United States. If we became a country that condemns people to prison, especially maximum security prisons for terrorists in a foreign country, without appropriately proving that they have committed a crime, that would be bad. Obviously and unambiguously bad. I've already made the case for due process and why even unsympathetic characters or non-citizens should always be granted

their rights. Abrego Garcia deserves his day in court and now he's going to get it. The Trump administration previously erred in several ways with Abrego Garcia's deportation. It used the Alien Enemies Act illegally, a verdict now rendered by five separate federal judges, most recently an El Paso judge who ruled on Monday that Trump cannot unilaterally declare an invasion. It violated the law by sending a Bregio-Garcia to El Salvador, where a court had previously prohibited him from being sent. The administration admitted that error, but then pretended it was powerless to correct it.

Lastly, when the Supreme Court ordered them to facilitate Abrigo Garcia's return, the administration acted like it had won the case when really they had definitionally lost 9-0. Being in our country illegally is a good enough reason to deport someone. It's not a good enough reason to deport someone into a prison where they may remain for years, decades, or their entire life. Now that the government has brought Obrigo Garcia back, they've proven what we knew the entire time. Returning him was never that hard to do. Remember, Obrigo Garcia does not have to be a good guy for you to

believe any of the above. You can think he committed crimes and that a court must prove him guilty before he can be sentenced. You can think illegal immigration is bad and that illegal immigrants have rights. You can think Abrigo Garcia should be deported and that he should not be sent to a maximum security prison in El Salvador without due process. Now that the administration has finally indicted Abrego Garcia, they have the opportunity to prove he is guilty of a set of crimes, and they just might. Many democratic politicians and journalists have consistently framed him as an innocent

Maryland father. But at Tangle, we've always been careful to avoid that assumption. Here's what Isaac wrote in April. Much about Ibrigo Garcia's story is sympathetic. He has no criminal record. He's married to an American citizen. He is the father to a disabled and autistic child. He is a union sheet metal worker, and he regularly checked in with ICE when he was supposed to. But his case is also complicated. He crossed the border illegally in 2012, and in 2019 he was accused of being a member of MS-13, an accusation an immigration judge used to deem him removable but hasn't been officially verified.

He only claimed to be fleeing violence in El Salvador after he was arrested and faced deportation in 2019, and he was still eligible for removal, just not to El Salvador. While he regularly checked in with ICE, he has reportedly skipped several court appearances for traffic violations. Reading through the Justice Department's indictment, a few things stand out. Most notably, the administration is not just accusing Abrego Garcia of being an MS-13 gang member, but of trafficking unauthorized migrants, guns, and drugs around the United States as well as smuggling minors and abusing women. The most damning and only direct evidence that the administration seems to have comes

from a 2022 traffic stop in Tennessee. Body camera footage of the stop has been released to the public and it only takes 90 seconds to watch, so you should go check it out. The government alleges that the video shows abrego Garcia transporting a van full of unauthorized migrants from Texas to Maryland, then lying to officers that he was returning from a work site in St. Louis. The indictment claims that a license plate reader technology showed the Chevrolet Suburban he was driving had been in Houston a week earlier, and not in St. Louis in the prior

12 months. The traffic stop was first reported months ago, which adds legitimacy to the justice department's case by proving the government did indeed have some real evidence to use against the Brieger Garcia. However, it also raises a slew of questions like why didn't the government charge him at the time or why didn't the Trump administration use this information earlier? One high ranking federal prosecutor in Tennessee has already resigned, and an anonymous source

in his office claims his resignation came in response to Abrego Garcia being targeted for political reasons. Also, the government has presented no evidence to support its more bombastic claims, like that he was soliciting child porn. Taken together, the circumstantial evidence makes me skeptical of the government's case and concerned it might be concocting its claims as a premise to comply with the courts. Even if my doubts prove to be well-founded, Abrego Garcia's indictment is still a good thing.

As Ilya Soman wrote in Reason, even a possibly questionable prosecution in a court with proper due process is far better than deportation to imprisonment with proper due process is far better than deportation to imprisonment with no due process at all. Abrigo Garcia's guilt or innocence was never what mattered most about his case to me. Instead, what matters is that we respect the individual rights of citizens, that this administration obeys court orders, and that our country doesn't perform immoral acts. Because if the government can do whatever it wants with non-citizens, nothing is stopping it from accusing anyone of a crime, claiming the accused is not a

citizen, saying non-citizens don't get due process, then locking them in a maximum security prison with no end date or oversight. All of what's happening now, of Brigio Garcia returning to the US and facing legitimate charges is a resolution to these worries, even in some small way. I'm happy to see him get his day in court, whether or not he's guilty. We'll be right back after this quick break. Hey, it's Christy from Canadian True Crime, here to tell you about Gemini, the built-in AI assistant on Google Pixel. It really helps me with ideas and inspo.

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All right. That's it for Isaac's My Take as read by me. And now that brings us to your questions answered as answered by me again Again, Ari, managing editor here, filling in for Isaac and taking today's question. So this one comes from Laurie from Durham, North Carolina, who asks, can you shed some light on your opinion of climate science? Having population growth is the worst thing we can do for climate unless you don't believe

what the science is telling us. I think Laurie is referencing some opinions we've written before about population growth, so that's going to be a little bit of context to this answer. And here's the answer. If you ask different members of our team for their opinions on the ethics of having kids in light of climate change, you're likely to get different opinions.

However, as the person on staff who wrote a piece about the ethics of having kids in light of climate change, which you can go check out on reTangle.com, I'll give you my answer. I don't think that having population growth is the worst thing we can do for climate. And I can explain. So first off, Tangle as a whole is an organization that accepts that climate change is occurring. Not only that, but we accept the scientific consensus that human behavior is causing rapid climate change through the extensive release of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. This belief is supported by the many

climate models that work from the theory of anthropogenic or human-caused climate change and continue to prove their own projections to be correct. Second, climate scientists do say that the largest driver of climate change is having a child in a developed country, with one study putting the effect about 8 times greater than the combined effects from living without a car, taking fewer flights, and eating a plant-based diet. I take issue with some aspects of that finding, but it is logical and somewhat straightforward to say that the biggest driver of human-caused climate change is the creation of more humans.

So why do I disagree with your statement? Mostly because, as I get into in that ethics piece I talked about earlier, no human action can really be, quote, bad for the climate. We care about the environment only insofar as it can support people. The climate does not care if we make it inhospitable to us. The climate is neither good nor bad, it just is. And that may sound like a pointless abstraction and it also papers over some other ethical questions about the survivability of the climate for other species, but this distinction I think is

actually important. Because if you follow a path of argument that says making humans is bad for humanity, you get to dangerous and irrational conclusions pretty quickly. As in, why stop at preventing more people? See where I'm going with that. So we have to accept that we'll continue to have people. Otherwise caring about climate change is kind of pointless. But yes, there are limits to what environmentally sustainable population growth looks like.

But supporting population growth right now in the US comes at a time when the fertility rate is far below replacement levels. That means there's plenty of room for fertility rates to go up and for population to grow before we're getting to what I would say are dangerous levels. So personally, I find supporting population growth relative to that baseline and caring about climate change at the same time to be relatively easy to do. Right, hopefully that makes sense, but I'm sure this won't be the last we talk about climate change.

Here's today's Under the Radar story. The White House is reportedly having difficulty finding candidates for key roles at the Pentagon in the wake of several high-profile exits from Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth's staff. Vice President J.D. Vance and White House Chief of Staff Suzy Wiles have attempted to help Hegseth choose a new chief of staff after the first one was fired in April, but they're reportedly struggling to find candidates interested in the position who align with the administration's Hagseth choose a new chief of staff after the first one was fired in April, but they're reportedly struggling to find candidates interested in the position who align with the administration's agenda. The White House has rejected some of Hagseth's choices for the role and vice versa. At least

three people have already turned down the potential roles under the defense secretary. NBC News has the story and you can find a link to it in our show notes. the story and you can find a link to it in our show notes. That brings us to our numbers section. The number of days, Kilmar Abrego Garcia was held in Salvadoran custody is 83. The number of days between the Supreme Court's ruling ordering the Trump administration to facilitate Abrego Garcia's return and his return is 57. The percentage of US adults who said

the Trump administration should and should not comply respectively with the Supreme Court's order to facilitate the release of a Brie Garcia according to an April, 2025, you gov poll are 53% and 21%. The percentage of US adults who said the Trump administration should and should not comply with the Supreme Court's order to facilitate the release of Abrego Garcia are 53% and 21%, respectively, according

to an April 2025 YouGov poll. The percentage of U.S. adults who thought the Trump administration would and would not comply with the Supreme Court's order are 11 and 49%, respectively. The maximum number of years in prison Abrego Garcia could face for each unauthorized migrant he allegedly transported, if convicted, is 10. The approximate number of trips the government's indictment alleges Abrego Garcia undertook to transport unauthorized migrants from Texas is 100. Here's today's Have a Nice Day story.

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