Tangle - Pete Hegseth’s confirmation hearing

Episode Date: January 15, 2025

On Tuesday, Senate confirmation hearings began for President-elect Donald Trump’s cabinet nominees, starting with defense secretary nominee Pete Hegseth. The Senate Armed Services Committee questioned Hegseth for over four hours, with Democrats pressing Hegseth on his previous comments about women serving in combat roles, allegations of sexual abuse and infidelity, and his qualifications for the position. While these moments produced several tense exchanges, Senate Republicans appeared satisfied with Hegseth’s performance, indicating his nomination is likely to succeed. Ad-free podcasts are here!Many listeners have been asking for an ad-free version of this podcast that they could subscribe to — and we finally launched it. You can go to tanglemedia.supercast.com to sign up!You can read today's podcast⁠ ⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠, our “Under the Radar” story ⁠here and today’s “Have a nice day” story ⁠here⁠.Take the survey: What do you think of Pete Hegseth’s nomination? Let us know!You can subscribe to Tangle by clicking here or drop something in our tip jar by clicking here. Our podcast is written by Isaac Saul and edited and engineered by Dewey Thomas. Music for the podcast was produced by Diet 75. Our newsletter is edited by Managing Editor Ari Weitzman, Will Kaback, Bailey Saul, Sean Brady, and produced in conjunction with Tangle’s social media manager Magdalena Bokowa, who also created our logo. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In a darkly comedic look at motherhood and society's expectations, Academy Award-nominated Amy Adams stars as a passionate artist who puts her career on hold to stay home with her young son. But her maternal instinct takes a wild and surreal turn as she discovers the best, yet fiercest, part of herself. Based on the acclaimed novel, Nightbitch is a thought-provoking and wickedly humorous film from Searchlight Pictures. Stream Night Bitch January 24th only on Disney Plus. From executive producer Isaac Saul welcome to the Tangle podcast, a place

where you get views from across the political spectrum, some independent thinking, and a little bit of my take. I'm your host, Isaac Suell, and on today's episode, we're going to be talking about Pete Hegseth's confirmation hearing that happened yesterday. I have some pretty strong feelings about this one, to be honest with you. So you're gonna get a little bit of heat today in the My Takes section,

but you know, I promise to be honest and that's what this is all about. So we're gonna talk a little bit of Hegseth, a little bit of a Secretary of Defense, all that good stuff. Before we jump in talk a little bit of Hegseth, a little bit of a Secretary of Defense, all that good stuff. Before we jump in though, unfortunately we do have another correction that we have to issue today,

which I am extremely frustrated about. We wrote yesterday that President Dwight Eisenhower incorporated Alaska and Hawaii as a US state in 1949. It was 1959, this was just a simple typo that we didn't catch. And obviously, as we all know, Tangle Eisenhower was president for almost all of the 1950s. This is our third correction since we returned from break. And it's our second one due to just like a simple typo in the date. So while this error was small, we know mistakes like this reflect poorly on our editing process. And yeah, we're annoyed and motivated and kind of reevaluating the

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Here are your quick hits for today. First up, Israel and Hamas have reportedly agreed in principle to a ceasefire deal in Gaza that is likely to be finalized this week and could go into effect this weekend. Number two, South Korean officials arrested President Yoon Suk-yul following his refusal to appear for questioning related to his declaration of martial law in December. Investigators are examining whether the declaration mounted to an act of insurrection. The Department of Homeland Security announced a ban on imports from 37 entities in China under the Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act, which seeks to sanction businesses involved

in human rights abuses in China's Xinjiang region. 4. Special Counsel Jack Smith released his final report into his 2020 election interference case against President-elect Donald Trump. Smith said that he believed his office had sufficient evidence to convict Trump had he not won the 2024 presidential election. 5. Trump had he not won the 2024 presidential election. And number five, confirmation hearings for seven of president-elect Trump's appointees

began today, including Secretary of State nominee Marco Rubio, Attorney General Pam Bondi and Secretary of Homeland Security nominee Kristi Noem. Pete Hegseth, Donald Trump's pick to run the Department of Defense, took a lot of tough questions on Capitol Hill earlier today. Despite that, CNN has learned that President-elect Donald Trump's team is in good spirits. They see the warm reception that he received from Republican senators as a very good sign. On Tuesday, Senate confirmation hearings began for president-elect Donald Trump's cabinet nominees, starting with Defense Secretary nominee Pete Hegseth. The Senate Armed Services Committee questioned Hegseth for over four hours, with Democrats pressing Hegseth on his previous

comments about women serving in combat roles, allegations of sexual abuse and infidelity, and his qualifications for the position. While these moments produced several tense exchanges, Senate Republicans appeared satisfied with Haig-Seth's performance indicating his nomination is likely to succeed. Confirmation of presidential appointees requires majority approval in the Senate, with the Vice President casting the tie-breaking vote in the event of a 50-50 split. Republicans currently have a three-seat majority in the chamber. Hegseth is a former Fox News host and Army National Guard officer who served in Afghanistan and Iraq, earning two Bronze Stars.

After his service, he led two nonprofit veterans advocacy groups, Vets for Freedom and Concerned Veterans for America. Though he had no official role in the first Trump administration, he was viewed as an informal advisor to the president and notably lobbied him to pardon U.S. soldiers accused of war crimes. During his hearing, Hegseth said he would bring the warrior culture back to the Department of Defense, working to build a Pentagon laser focused on warfighting, lethality, meritocracy, standards, and readiness. He repeatedly emphasized his goal of eliminating politics from military decisions,

suggesting that the Biden administration had inappropriately focused on diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives at the expense of military readiness. Democrats pressed Hegseth on several aspects of his personal life and some controversial comments. Senator Tim Kaine, the Democrat from Virginia, brought up Hegseth's past instances of infidelity and a 2017 sexual assault allegation. Hegseth was never charged. While Senator Mark Kelly, the Democrat from Arizona, focused on allegations of sexual misconduct and excessive drinking.

Additionally, Senator Tammy Duckworth, the Democrat from Illinois, pressed Hegseth on whether he had ever supervised an audit suggesting that he lacked the qualifications for defense secretary. Senator Joni Ernst, the Republican from Iowa, a combat veteran and sexual assault survivor who initially signaled uncertainty about the nomination, questioned Hegseth about his previous comments that the U.S. military should not have women in combat roles. Hegseth answered affirmatively, later adding that he supported having women in these roles provided that they meet the same standards as men.

After the hearing, Ernst said that she would vote to confirm Hegseth. Other Republican senators focused on Hegseth's military record, suggesting that while he lacks the command experience of recent defense secretaries, his combat experience and communication skills would make him an effective change agent for a department that has faced scrutiny for operational bloat and mismanagement of conflicts abroad after the hearing Republicans widely praised Hegseth's performance. The nomination now moves to a vote

in the Senate Armed Services Committee, which is expected to occur on January 20th. Today, we'll share perspectives from the right and the left on the hearing and Hegseth's nomination, and then Isaac's tape. We'll be right back after this quick break. In a darkly comedic look at motherhood and society's expectations, Academy Award nominated Amy Adams stars as a passionate

artist who puts her career on hold to stay home with her young son. But her maternal instinct takes a wild and surreal turn as she discovers the best, yet fiercest, part of herself. Based on the acclaimed novel, Nightbitch is a thought-provoking and wickedly humorous film from Searchlight Pictures. Stream Nightbitch January 24th, only on Disney+. All right, first up, let's start with what the right is saying. The right mostly praises Hegseth's performance at the hearing while criticizing Democrats' line of questioning.

Some suggest Hegseth failed to address legitimate questions about his qualifications. Others say Hegseth will put the military back on track after Biden's misguided approach. In the Federalist, Sean Fleetwood said Democratic senators' performances at the hearing prove they're unserious about U.S. national security. Throughout the more than four-hour-long proceeding, the committee's leftist members used every opportunity available to slander Hegseth and make complete fools of themselves, Fleetwood wrote. Contrast this with the behavior of Republican senators, who largely asked questions related

to issues impacting America's military. Hegseth answered inquiries about topics such as the service's recruiting crisis, military infrastructure problems, the harmful impact of neo-Marxist ideologies on military readiness, and more. Unlike their Democrat colleagues, many of the GOPers garnered answers from Hegseth on matters of importance to everyday Americans. Unlike his predecessors, Hegseth is not beholden to the military-industrial complex. He's a man from outside the system who has fought in the forever war as many politicians and bureaucrats sitting in air-conditioned offices in D.C. don't have the courage to

fight. And he understands the frustrations of the service members who have been failed by this lack of leadership," Fleetwood said. Much to Democrats' dismay, Hegseth's nomination promises bold, long overdue reforms. This includes rooting out DEI, firing incompetent woke officers, ensuring U.S. tax dollars are put to good use, and reviving a service that prospective recruits will want to join. The Wall Street Journal editorial board wrote Pete Hegseth gets a Senate pass. Americans didn't learn much about Pentagon nominee Pete Hegseth gets a Senate pass. Americans didn't learn much about Pentagon nominee Pete

Hegseth at his Senate confirmation hearing on Tuesday, but they did learn more about the world's greatest nondeliberative body. Democrats mostly played into Mr. Hegseth's hands with questions he easily parried, while Republicans asked little of substance, the board said. The most effective Democratic questioning came from Virginia's Tim Kaine, who wanted

to know why Mr. Hegseth didn't disclose to the Trump team a settlement had been paid to a woman who accused him of sexual assault. Mr. Hegseth kept saying he was falsely charged but never answered the question. Republicans didn't do much scrutinizing. Mark Wayne Mullen, the Republican from Oklahoma, noted that senators sometimes show up drunk for votes at night and cheat on their wives, but they aren't in the chain of command of U.S. military forces. Tim Sheehy, the Republican from Montana, after opening his remarks by asking how many genders

there are, did ask about Navy shipbuilding, to which Mr. Hegseth basically said Donald Trump wants to build ships. No details, the board said. It appears we're on track to have a Secretary of Defense whose real views are a mystery. Let's hope he rises to the occasion. In Newsweek, Rob Smith argued DEI is destroying our military. Pete Hegseth can make it great again.

The once admirable attempt to make America's military a welcoming place to all transitioned into a Frankenstein's monster of woke-speak, declining standards, and politicized leadership spewing far-left propaganda, Smith wrote. One of the great joys of serving in the United States military is that soldiers from many different backgrounds and races learned to come together as a unit to complete the mission at hand, but the Biden administration seemed hell-bent on creating and fomenting racial division. We urgently need a change of course, which is where Pete Hegseth comes in.

I believe, and I think it's safe to say that Pete does too, that the only identity that truly matters is that of a proud American. When we focus on that, we will find more of them to make our military stronger," Smith said. When we focus on that we will find more of them to make our military stronger Smith said From his service with various veterans organizations to his status as a Bronze Star recipient for his own service to yes His years of communication skills perfected by the pressures of doing daily live news television Pete Hickseth is it for what the right is saying, which brings us to what the left is saying.

The left is critical of Republican senators' unserious questioning, arguing they failed in their duty to advise and consent. Some say Hegseth's handling of confrontational questions was likely enough to get him confirmed. Others worry that Hegseth will support Trump's worst impulses. In the Washington Post, Ruth Marcus said, at the Hegseth hearing, GOP senators covered themselves in shame. I have witnessed many contentious confirmation hearings over the years and watched as the system has become increasingly partisan and vitriolic, but the Hegseth hearing represents a new low in that diminished process," Marcus wrote.

The seriousness and breadth of the allegations against him, from sexual assault to excessive drinking to sheer lack of experience, demand the most searching and responsible of inquiries. Instead, the Hegseth nomination has largely produced reflexive party-line salutes. In contrast to the behavior of previous nominees from both parties, Hegseth refused to meet with Democrats on the committee before the hearing. In contrast to the practice of previous hearings, Chairman Roger Wicker, the Republican from Mississippi, refused Democratic requests to allow senators more than a single seven-minute round of questioning," Marcus said.

Most Republican senators are dutifully obedient to Trump and his demands, even if they privately know better. Those who might consider straying, that is, doing their jobs, are subjected to the threat of unbridled and well-financed attacks and the looming threat of a primary challenge. This is not a responsible Senate. It is a partisan and cowering one." In the Atlantic, Jonathan Cheat explored Hegsut's strategy for the hearing. During the proceedings, the Republican majority displayed no willingness to block or even

seriously vet a nominee who resides far outside the former boundaries of acceptability for a position of immense power," Chait wrote. If you've ever had media training for a television appearance, a common piece of advice is to use the prompt to get to whatever point you wish to make rather than focus on answering the question. It isn't supposed to work in a Senate hearing, especially one in which lawmakers have serious qualms about the nominee's record or statements, but Hegseth, a slick and successful television talk show host, employed it to great effect. Meanwhile, Democrats on the panel complained

that Hegseth had declined every offer to meet with them, solidifying the impression that he conceives of the position for which he has been nominated in purely partisan terms. They likewise complained that the Republican majority rejected their requests for a second round of questioning. Hegseth looked like a man who understood that the fix was in, and that all he had to do was run out the clock on the Democrats' allotted time while dodging their questions. So far, his calculation appears to have been correct. In the New York Times, Ben Rhodes wrote, Hegseth is dangerous, but not for the reasons you think. To state the obvious, as a former Weekendgseth is dangerous, but not for the reasons you think.

To state the obvious, as a former Weekend Fox & Friends anchor, Army National Guard officer and leader of two small nonprofits, Pete Hegseth is unqualified to run a nuclear-armed organization with a budget approaching a trillion dollars. That's the point. Donald Trump doesn't want someone to effectively manage the Pentagon. He wants to disrupt it," Rhodes said. His choice of Mr. Hegseth is born out of right-wing grievances that have been building for a long time over the failures of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Many of these frustrations are understandable, but the remedies Mr. Trump proposes are dangerous. His disdain for international rules could eviscerate the laws of war that emerged from the devastation of two world wars. His threats of territorial expansion could intensify a period of nationalist aggression. His tirades against enemies of the United States foreshadow MAGA social engineering and domestic intervention by the Pentagon. In Mr. Hegseth, he has found a loyal vessel for this project, Rhodes wrote. Mr. Trump has complained about a military that bucked his will the first time around. No one expects Mr. Hegseth to do that, nor with the kind of military he has talked about building. What happens if he is asked to support the political interests of the president, or participate

in mass deportations, or suppress political protests. All right, let's head over to Isaac for his take. All right, that is it for the left and the right are saying, which brings us to my take. So Pete, Hegseth and I share a lot of the same values, a commitment to meritocracy, a love of country, and a belief that our military and honestly, American society writ large, should commit ourselves to high and difficult standards.

Ironically, these shared values are exactly why I think Hegseth should not be Secretary of Defense. And why I have a hard time overstating my disappointment at the entire spectacle of his nomination and yesterday's confirmation hearings, I've promised always to share my honest opinion. So today is one of those days where I may come off unusually fiery.

Let's start by going back to about a month ago. Hegseth's nomination looked dead on arrival. I wrote in Tangle that he was going to have an even harder time getting confirmed than Tulsi Gabbard and predicted a bruising confirmation fight. At the time, this made sense. Hegseth doesn't match the recent trend of high-ranking nominees to the position,

and everywhere he's gone, he's been tailed by controversy and damning indictments on his character. Yet, as we sit here today, Hegstaff's confirmation looks all but assured, and I left the confirmation hearing without any sense that Democrats or concerned Republicans had put any real dents in his odds, which is a shame. Throughout the confirmation hearing and his nomination,

Hegstaff has emphasized his military experience, justifying his candidacy because of his combat experience. "'It is time to give someone with dust on his boots the helm, a change agent,' he said in his opening remarks on Tuesday." It's worth giving this framing a critical eye. To be frank, it's a ridiculous and borderline offensive thing to say,

given that most of Hegseth's predecessors served in the military, many of them much longer than he did. Spend some time reviewing the resumes of Christopher Miller, Mark Esper, or Jim Mattis, and the absurdity of Hegseth's comments will sink in. Presently, our Secretary of Defense is Lloyd Austin, who served 41 years in the army and is well known for being the first African American to command a division, corps, and field army in combat. He's a four-star general who also received the Silver Star, the third highest award one can receive

for valor in combat. We can and should criticize Austin for his views or his stint at the military contractor Raytheon, but I wouldn't pretend he needs some dust on his boots. Not incidentally, Hegseth, by comparison, has spent the last 11 years as a Fox News commentator, spent decades fewer in combat than Austin, and is far less decorated.

Indeed, in trying to determine what exactly about Hegseth makes him special or uniquely qualified for this role, where he will be leading over three million service members, it basically comes down to his experience on television and his ability to communicate Trump's worldview. I'm not saying that to be cruel. I mean this literally. While Hegseth's service was certainly honorable,

there is very little about his resume that is exceptional. He rose to the rank of major, served tours and duty in Iraq and Afghanistan, was awarded bronze stars, and even got a master's degree of public policy from Harvard after his second deployment. I've never served in the military or graduated from Harvard, so he's certainly more qualified than I am.

But there are likely thousands of other veterans who have graduate degrees, served multiple tours, were awarded medals, and have risen to the rank of major or higher. I suspect there are even Tangle listeners listening to this very podcast who share those qualifications. Hegseth has promoted the idea that DEI initiatives and women in combat are lowering standards in the military.

But if we were to take Hegseth's own advice that the armed forces need more meritocracy, not less, the prospect of him becoming Secretary of Defense would seem wholly ridiculous. The only exceptional thing on his resume is that he became a millionaire as a Fox News host after serving in the military, and that the President-elect really likes him on television. For anyone watching closely, the prospect of Hegseth taking this role is already lowering our standards, which again is ironic given it's the critical issue he claims he is uniquely positioned to solve. The scenes in the Senate hearing became so debased that Senator Mark Wayne Mullen, the Republican from Oklahoma, could only muster a defense of Hegseth by sharing

that some senators cast their votes while drunk, encouraging. Later defending his point by clarifying that what he really meant was if senators are capable of doing their jobs while drinking, Pete Hegseth can too. Yay! While most Democrats pitifully spent their time making sure we all knew Hegseth cheated on his former wives, we got very little in the way of illuminating questions about Hegseth's ideas on Ukraine, Gaza, Iran, China, any of the other major global issues our armed forces will face in the coming years. In the few moments where senators asked smart questions designed to better understand Hegseth's qualifications, we found out he couldn't name any international security agreements he would lead as defense secretary, incorrectly guessed several members of the Association of Southeast

Asian Nations, was non-committal on using the United States military against US civilians and seemed to think the military has gender quotas or quotas for other demographic groups, which is not a thing, though diversity in the military has become a point of emphasis for the DOD during the Biden administration. Hegseth, funnily enough, has his own gender-related standards. At a time when the military struggles with recruitment,

he's repeatedly said on the record that he does not think women should be able to serve in combat roles, a position he's backtracked on in an effort to get this job. Here, I should pause briefly to shout out Democratic Senators Tammy Duckworth from Illinois, a decorated war veteran herself, Senator Alyssa Slotkin from Michigan, a former CIA analyst who served in Iraq, and Kirsten Gillibrand, the Democrat from New York, who at least tried to do their jobs honestly and Senator Alyssa Slotkin from Michigan, a former CIA analyst who served in Iraq, and Kirsten Gillibrand, the Democrat from New York, who at least tried to do their jobs honestly and ask important questions

that brought Hegseth's responses above to light. Also a special call out to Republican Chairman Roger Wicker from Mississippi, who is even handed and organized in overseeing the hearing. They were the few lone bright spots on the day. Republicans otherwise avoided even feening any real scrutiny of Hegseth during the hearings. Senator Tim Sheehy, the Republican from Montana, had some questioning that provided a good representation. He opened by asking Hegseth how many genders there are and how many push-ups Hegseth

can do, then tossed him a bunch of softball questions about ammunition and guns to make the point that Hegseth understood the tools of war, though Hegseth apparently flunked the last one about what batteries go in night vision goggles. Senator Susan Collins, the Republican from Maine and Joni Earths from Iowa, who expressed concern about various allegations of Hegseth's sexual misconduct, reportedly refused to meet with his accuser,

Collins denies this, and dutifully fell in line without providing any real scrutiny to the nomination. So here we are, mediocrity everywhere in every direction and Hegseth cruising through the hearings. As I've said in the past, we as Americans have been remarkably safe in the post-9-11 era from foreign threats, and we are totally unaware of how good we have it here in the U.S. Our soldiers are in about as little danger as they've ever been in my lifetime.

We're pulling back from any major conflicts, and the vast majority of the issues facing our Department of Defense involve wasteful spending, inventory issues, shaky leadership, and the fact we are falling behind on advanced military technology. I don't see any reason to believe Hegseth, who as a leader of several smaller, less complicated organizations has been followed by allegations of poor leadership, disorganization, sexual misconduct, poor financial management, and drunkenness, is the right person to solve these issues. It's perfectly okay for Hegseth to tell us he's a changed man, that he's found Christ

and has reformed. That may well be the true arc of his character and person, and I hope it is. I love a redemption story as much as anyone, but that doesn't mean we need to accept him as the best of the best, the brightest of the brightest, or the best leader for our entire military. But of course, our country is in a change mood.

We want to light the house on fire, kill the rich, and tear it all down. People like Hegseth are happy to oblige, or happy to pretend they'll oblige for power. So soon enough, it looks like we're going to get what we asked for. We'll be right back after this quick break. In a darkly comedic look at motherhood and society's expectations, Academy Award-nominated Amy Adams stars as a passionate artist who puts her career on hold to stay home with her young son. But her maternal instinct takes a wild and surreal turn as she discovers the best, yet fiercest part of herself.

Based on the acclaimed novel, Nightbitch is a thought-provoking and wickedly humorous film from Searchlight Pictures. Stream Nightbitch January 24th, only on Disney Plus. See, and my take today. So we're skipping the reader question for space. I'm going to send it back to John for the rest of the pod. I'll see you guys tomorrow. Peace. Thanks Isaac.

Here's your under the radar story for today, folks. In one of its final policy moves, the Biden administration announced new export controls on computer chips and other technology used to develop artificial intelligence. The regulations impose quotas on sales of graphic processing units to most countries and restrict the amount of information American companies can share about advanced AI models, with exceptions for a few close allies. Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo said that the policy was designed to help maintain the United States position as a leader in AI, but Chinese officials said the rules would

maliciously suppress China's technological advancement. The Washington Post has this story and there's a link in today's episode description. Alright, next up is our numbers section. The Department of Defense's total budgetary resources for fiscal year 2024 is $1.99 trillion. The percentage of the total U.S. federal budget for fiscal year 2024 allocated to the DOD is 16.3%. The total number of force personnel in the United States military in 2023 is 3,387,858, comprised of 2,509,590 military personnel and 878,268 DOD civilians. The percentage of U.S. adults who approved of Pete Hegsatz's nomination for Secretary

of Defense is 19 percent, according to a January 2025 AP NORC poll. The percentage of U.S. adults who say they don't know enough to have an opinion is 33 percent. The percentage of Republicans and Democrats respectively who approve of Hegsatz's nomination is 41 percent and 6%. The percentage of U.S. adults who support allowing women in the military to serve in ground units that engage in close combat is 66% according to a 2013 Pew Research survey. The percentage of military veterans who oppose race and sex preferences in military promotions is 94% according to a 2024 Ugov survey. And the

percentage of military veterans who say diversity is not essential for military success is 57%. And last but not least, our Have a Nice Day story. In the aftermath of the holidays, thousands of live Christmas trees will go to waste. One zoo in England wants to change that. For the fifth year in a row, Noah's Ark Zoo Farm is using donated Christmas trees to enrich the lives of the animals. Larry Bush, a wildlife biologist at Noah's Ark Zoo Farm, noted that the Christmas trees have benefited the meerkats at the farm.

When we create a new stimulation inside their space like these Christmas trees, they're really curious. They're foraging in the trees and they're using all of their senses to explore. Good News Network has this story and there's a link in today's episode description. Alright everybody, that is it for today's episode. As always, if you'd like to support our work, please go to retangle.com and sign up for a membership. You can also go to tanglemedia.supercast.com to sign up for a premium podcast membership, which gets you ad free daily podcasts, Friday editions, Sunday editions, interviews, bonus content and so much more. We'll be right back here tomorrow for Isaac and the rest of the

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best, yet fiercest, part of herself. Based on the acclaimed novel, Nightbitch is a thought-provoking and wickedly humorous film from Searchlight Pictures. Stream Nightbitch January 24th only on Disney+.