Tangle - The $12 billion farm bailout.

Episode Date: December 11, 2025

On Monday, the Trump administration announced a $12 billion bailout for farmers in response to “temporary trade market disruptions and increased production costs.” Most of the money — ...$11 billion — will be distributed as one-time payments through the Farmer Bridge Assistance (FBA) program, which supports row-crop farmers producing goods like corn, soybeans, oats, and cotton. The remaining funds will be used to support farmers producing crops not covered by the FBA. The aid comes as U.S. farmers report persistent challenges caused by trade disruptions linked to President Donald Trump’s tariff agenda. Ad-free podcasts are here!To listen to this podcast ad-free, and to enjoy our subscriber only premium content, go to ReadTangle.com to sign up!You can read today's podcast⁠ ⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠, our “Under the Radar” story ⁠here and today’s “Have a nice day” story ⁠here⁠.You can subscribe to Tangle by clicking here or drop something in our tip jar by clicking here. Take the survey: What do you think of the farm bailout? Let us know.Our Executive Editor and Founder is Isaac Saul. Our Executive Producer is Jon Lall.This podcast was written by: Ari Weitzman and edited and engineered by Dewey Thomas. Music for the podcast was produced by Diet 75.Our newsletter is edited by Managing Editor Ari Weitzman, Senior Editor Will Kaback, Lindsey Knuth, Kendall White, Bailey Saul, and Audrey Moorehead. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 From executive producer Isaac Saul, this is Tangle. Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening, and welcome to the Tangle podcast, the place where you get views from across the political spectrum, some independent thinking, and a little bit of our tick. Our take today is delivered by me, your host for the day, Ari Weitzman, managing editor. And today we're talking about the farm bailout bill that Donald Trump just gave to U.S. farmers. Before we get started with that, I want to tell you about what tomorrow's Friday edition will be, which is going to be another piece from our executive editor, Isaac Saul, that's addressing the explosion of anti-Semitism and conspiratorial thinking about Jews that we've seen over the last few years.
Starting point is 00:00:56 Speaking from personal experiences, his not mine, and with historical context, Isaac is going to both offer advice about how to address these growing beliefs and he'll address some of them head on himself. It's going to be a really compelling addition and I encourage you to tune in for it. All right, that brings us to today's topic and our quick hits, which I'll send over to John, and then I'll be back in your ear for my take. Thanks, Ari, and welcome, everybody. Here are your quick hits for today. First up, the Federal Reserve's policymakers voted to lower the federal funds rate by 25 basis points. The third rate cut of 2025. Fed Chairman Jerome Powell said inflation remains persistent, as the Central Bank also contends with a weakening labor market. Number two, U.S. Customs and Border Protection published a notice in the Federal Register of a proposed rule for foreign tourists from 42 countries, requiring them to provide their social
Starting point is 00:01:56 media histories from the last five years to enter the United States. A Department of Homeland Security spokeswoman said the proposal is not final. Number three, President Donald Trump said the U.S. seized an oil tanker off the coast of Venezuela. Attorney General Pam Bondi said that the tanker is part of an illicit oil shipping network supporting foreign terrorist organizations. Number four, the House of Representatives voted 312 to 112 to pass the National Defense Authorization Act, which authorizes $901 billion. million dollars in Pentagon spending for the year. The bill now heads to the Senate.
Starting point is 00:02:31 And number five, a federal judge ruled that the Trump administration must immediately end its deployment of the California National Guard to Los Angeles. The judge said that allowing the troops to remain under Trump's control would wholly upend the federalism that is at the heart of our system of government. The ruling will not take effect until December 16th to allow the administration to appeal. So what we're doing is we're taking a relatively small portion of that, and we're going to be giving and providing it to the farmers in economic assistance. And we love our farmers. And as you know, the farmers like me, because, you know, based on voting trends, you could call it voting trends or anything else. But they're great people. They're the backbone of our country.
Starting point is 00:03:26 we're going to use that money to provide $12 billion in economic assistance to American farmers. On Monday, the Trump administration announced a $12 billion bailout for farmers in response to temporary trade market disruptions and increased production costs. Most of the money, $11 billion, will be distributed as one-time payments through the Farmer Bridge Assistance Program, which supports row-crop farmers producing goods like corn, soybeans, oats, and cotton. The remaining funds will be used to support farmers. farmers producing crops not covered by the FBI. The aid comes as U.S. farmers report persistent
Starting point is 00:04:01 challenges caused by trade disruptions linked to President Donald Trump's tariff agenda. U.S. farmers with an adjusted gross income average below $900,000 for the 2022-2-24 tax years are eligible for the new relief funds as long as they submit acreage reporting data by December 19th. The Trump administration said payments will be released by February 28, 26. For context, bankruptcy filings for farmers were up roughly 60% in the first two quarters of 2025 compared to the same period last year, with over 180 farmers filing for bankruptcy protection. Soybean farmers have been hit especially hard amid U.S. China trade disputes. Earlier this year, China began buying more soybeans from Brazil and Argentina in response to the new U.S. tariffs, leading to significant losses for farmers. Labor, fertilizer, fuel, oil, and seed costs have also risen.
Starting point is 00:04:53 The U.S. and China subsequently reached a trade deal that includes China buying 12 million metric tons of soybeans. Agriculture Department data shows they have so far purchased 2.85 million metric tons as of October 30th, and Treasury Secretary Scott Besant said that they were on pace to fulfill their part of the deal. On Monday, President Trump said that the U.S. would fund aid for farmers through tariff revenue. The United States will be taking a small portion of the hundreds of billions of dollars we receive in tariffs, and we're going to be giving and providing it to farmers in economic assistance, the president said. Trump and Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins also suggested that foreign-owned agricultural companies
Starting point is 00:05:32 were to blame for the rising input costs for farmers. Today, we'll cover the $12 billion farmer bailout with views from the right, left, and U.S. farmers, and then managing editor Ari Weitzman will give his take. We'll be right back after this quick break. All right. First up, let's start with what the right is saying. Some on the right say the bailout is a product of Trump's flawed tariffs. Others say Trump must proceed with caution or risk angering a key voting block. National Review's editors wrote,
Starting point is 00:06:17 Trump bails out the farmers he kneecapped with tariffs again. It's becoming part of the Trump playbook. book. It goes like this. One, farmers overwhelmingly vote for Donald Trump to be president. Two, Trump imposes enormous tariffs unilaterally, wrecking the export markets that farmers rely on to sell their crops at profitable prices, the editor said. Three, farmers lobby the Trump administration to give them money at taxpayer's expense to cope with the effects of the administration's trade policy. Four, Trump bails out the farmers with billions of federal dollars and changes nothing about the tariffs that hurt them in the first place. As crimped export markets,
Starting point is 00:06:52 markets have caused a glut of corn and soybeans. Tariffs have also raised the prices of crucial farm inputs such as fertilizer and machinery. Complicated duty schedules and trade policy uncertainty have combined to tighten supply. The average tariff rate on agricultural inputs has risen from less than 1% at the beginning of the year to 9.4% the editors wrote. The proper solution to farmers' financial woes in 2025 is the same as it was in 2018, and the tariffs. Instead, the Trump administration has chosen to paint over the problem, with a $12 billion bailout. In hot air, Ed Morrissey explored Trump's tariff reinvestment.
Starting point is 00:07:30 Donald Trump has used trade wars and tariffs to muscle through better terms with trading partners, resetting the table to undo what Trump argues were deals that robbed the U.S. In the meantime, however, the brinksmanship has done its own damage, especially to the agricultural industry, where farmers have lost significant income from exports that normally would have taken place, Morrissey said.
Starting point is 00:07:50 Farmer subsidies generally have widespread bipartisan support, but an attempt to redirect tariff revenue may generate pushback from Democrats, as Trump's tariffs are too much his signature policy to incorporate into bipartisan solutions. Of course, there are other options. Congress could fund the program itself apart from tariff revenues. It sounds a little absurd to suggest that $12 billion is a relatively minor outlay for the federal government, but fiscal year 26 at the moment has a budget of $1.69 trillion in discretionary spending and far more in mandatory and statutory spending, Morrissey wrote. They will likely need to choose quickly.
Starting point is 00:08:26 This was urgently needed in mid-October. It's likely at a crisis level at the moment. And with that crisis comes political risk for Trump and the GOP, which will face a very bleak harvest season at the midterms if farmers don't turn out for a Republican. All right, that is it for what the right is saying, which brings us to what the left is saying. Many on the left say the bailout is a temporary measure that won't fix a problem of Trump's making. Others say Trump is making the same mistakes he made in his first term.
Starting point is 00:09:03 In MS now, Hayes Brown called the bailout duct tape on a broken pipe. The recent de-escalation between Washington and Beijing has led to an uptick in Chinese soybean purchases. But the shift came late enough in the harvest season to ensure that prices depressed from reduced demand stayed low. Likewise, moves to cut tariffs on imports such as fertilizer have helped some, but the economic damage Trump began inflicting back in the spring is still reverberating, Brown wrote. A one-time federal intervention doesn't correct the strife that Trump's tariff regime continues to fuel. The same was true during Trump's first administration. When the president began unveiling his tariff levels, I argued that Trump's trade policy
Starting point is 00:09:42 mostly consists of patching together half-considered solutions to problems that Trump himself has created and calling you to win, Brown said. The money that is poised to be paid out to America's farmers shouldn't be mistaken as anything more substantial than duct tape on a broken pipe. It may give the appearance of helping while doing little to fix the underlying problem, which threatens to rupture again at any moment. In Inforum, Rob Port said farmers need competent trade policies, not a bailout. Trump would like you to believe that this is a reinvestment of the hundreds of billions of dollars we receive in tariffs from foreign countries. This isn't how tariffs work.
Starting point is 00:10:19 Their attacks, which is also why Trump implementing them through executive orders is unconstitutional, and they are built into the price of imported goods and services, port wrote. The money isn't coming from foreign countries. It's coming from Americans, including, ironically enough, the very farmers who Trump is now bailing out in part because tariffs have driven the input costs through the roof. There is no question that America needs better trade deals. There is no question that China, among others, has not been playing fair. while completely free trade would be ideal, we can't do that if the nations we trade with
Starting point is 00:10:51 aren't going to play by the same rules, Port said. But as pressing as that problem is, where's the evidence that Trump's approach is accomplishing anything other than higher prices for Americans and an increasing degree of economic isolation from the rest of the world? Worse, Trump's approach is further entangling our farmers and ranchers in government dependence. All right, that is it for what the right and the left are saying, which brings us to what farmers are saying. Some farmers say the aid will provide little relief without changes to trade policy. Others argue the U.S. should stop subsidizing crops like soybeans. In the Kansas Reflector, Kansas farmer Ben Palin said Trump promises handouts to farmers. Politicians promise development benefits. We pay for it all.
Starting point is 00:11:33 The Trump administration will provide several billion dollars in bailouts to farmers, with an emphasis on corn and soybean growers. Only a small portion may go to Kansas wheat farmers. Predictably, political dances followed the announcement, with various farm groups issuing statement-supporting release for this money, Pallin wrote. It's pathetic. How about some honest conversations about what this regime has done to American farmers via a patchwork of actions that show little understanding of international trade and so many other issues? Farmers are receiving just a few breadcrumbs. The fundamental challenges of trade policy remain unsolved, and our competitors are gleeful as they take market share from U.S. farmers, Palant said.
Starting point is 00:12:11 The peril in farm country is real. In less than 12 months, damage done to Kansas farmers and their peers across a nation is only just beginning to be felt. The latest bailout completely fails to address the underlying issues. In the Brownstone Institute, Virginian farmer Joel Salatin wrote, ditch the subsidies, grow what actually works. Farmers have many choices as to what to grow. Although farmers are known for their product, dairy farmer, orcharist, vegetable grower, livestock, they really are caretakers. of a spot of creation. As a farmer, the deed recorded at the county clerk's office says I own this land, but in reality I'm a sojourner on something I did not create. The soil, water, and sunlight hitting my fields are ultimately not possessions as much as resources I have the privilege to steward, Salatin said. Any land that will grow soybeans is inherently good land. Nobody grows row crops on rock piles. The better the land, the more diversified the options. Why should the American taxpayer guarantee the viability of soybean farming when the world has too many soybeans. Markets and farmers are supposed to respond to supply and demand, Salatin wrote. The crop insurance safety net prejudices decisions
Starting point is 00:13:21 and incentivizes dependence on one crop and one agency. Sooner or later, making the same choice every year because it's easy due to a safety net will show its weakness, because safety nets eventually shatter, especially if they depend on politics. All right, let's head over to Ari for his take. All right, that's what the right left. And farmers are saying about this bailout, which leads me to my take. I could write the whole take today in 60 words, telling a simple story with a simple lesson. The story. Tariffs levied against the entire globe raised costs for importers and consumers of
Starting point is 00:14:10 all domestic products, sending off trade wars that diminished our exports of soybeans and other crops. This motivated the government to use some of the revenue would raise to offset losses for farmers. The lesson, we are robbing Peter and Paul to pay Paul. And that could be it. The same story you just heard six times with a lesson that changes slightly, depending on the author's angle of attack. The problem is either government tariffs or government bailouts or some combination of the two. But there's a deeper and I think more interesting story here that tariffs and bailouts only provide an addendum to.
Starting point is 00:14:47 And if we focus solely on tariffs, then we'll learn the wrong lesson from all this. It's a story of how the incentive structure we've created for a food production makes Americans less healthy, makes farmers poorer, and as far-reaching consequences that hurt us in ways we never even think about. That story starts with a root problem, which is not China buying too few soybeans. The root problem is that U.S. farmers are not growing food. Think of a U.S. farm. What do you think it's growing? If you said corn or soy, you're probably right.
Starting point is 00:15:20 In 2024, the two crops accounted for 45% of all cash crop receipts. They are easy to grow in rotation with one another, and together have been common agricultural staples since U.S. soy production took off to meet the demand for fat and oils caused by trade disruptions in the lead up to World War II. If you reflect on what you eat, you'll probably note that corn and soy aren't 45% of your diet. So where does all that corn and soy go?
Starting point is 00:15:49 A lot of it goes abroad to countries like China or Mexico while we import other crops from them. Somewhere between 10 and 20% of corn is exported and roughly 50% of all U.S. soy is exported, but most of those two crops together are used domestically. So how much of the domestic yield of our most widely produced crops, would you guess, becomes part of our diet? 60%? Half? Even less than that? In fact, less than 10% of the corn and soy farmers grow each year is used in food products domestically,
Starting point is 00:16:27 almost all of which is highly processed. The food products that do come from American yields usually take the form of corn starches and high fructose syrups. And even though those products don't provide much. much of the nutrition in the average American diet, they are added to seemingly everything, where they have become leading contributors to our epidemically high incidences of diabetes, heart disease, and obesity.
Starting point is 00:16:50 That's the small portion of what we grow that feeds us. The other 90% goes to animal feed and biofuels. If instead of asking what the average U.S. farm grows, I had asked, what is most U.S. agricultural land used for? The answer to that question would be different. about two-thirds of agricultural land is used for grazing animals, cows, pigs, and chicken, but predominantly cows. That's a lot of land, but not nearly enough to support the number of cattle
Starting point is 00:17:17 Americans consume every year on the grasses that those animals evolve to eat. Instead, cows are fed grains that are not healthy for the animal and that research shows generally produce less nutritious beef. Biofuels, meanwhile, are no more beneficial to humans. Compared to petroleum, corn ethanol itself burns cleaner and produces less greenhouse gases. But when you consider all the inputs, the oil used to drive the machinery and transport the fuel, the fertilizers and pesticides used in growing the corn or soy, and the land use itself, it produces a net increase in greenhouse gas emissions. Without subsidies to drive corn and soy production, using farmland to grow fuel would be an absurd proposition. As a result of all of our combined land management
Starting point is 00:18:04 practices, we do a remarkably poor job feeding ourselves off of our own very fertile land. Here's a quote from a 2013 scientific American article, which remains tragically accurate today. The average Iowa cornfield has the potential to deliver more than 15 million calories per acre each year, enough to sustain 14 people per acre with a 3,000 calorie per day diet if we ate all of the corn ourselves. But with the current allocation of corn to ethanol, in animal production, we end up with an estimated 3 million calories of food per acre per year, mainly as dairy and meat products, enough to sustain only three people per acre. That is lower than the average delivery of food calories from farms in Bangladesh, Egypt, and Vietnam.
Starting point is 00:18:53 None of this is good for the American farmer as it creates a collective action problem. Don't grow enough and you don't earn enough. So individual farmers grow like crazy and they're turning out record yields and corn and soy. But that oversaturates the global market to the point that soybeans now cost more to grow than they do to buy, a boon for the buyer's market dominated by an incredibly small number of companies requiring taxpayer subsidies to keep individual farmers afloat. None of this is good for the American consumer either. The prices of the foods people actually eat stay high because, again, most of what farmers grow isn't turned into food. The farmer and blogger Beth Hoffman put it best,
Starting point is 00:19:33 writing, in Iowa, we have to import something like 80 to 90% of what we eat, while we are one of the biggest agricultural states in the country. I like to say that if something happened like a pandemic or competing tariffs, for example, we could starve here in Iowa, and most of the land is farmed. On the heels of the pandemic and in the midst of tariff wars, farmers have only few options to sustain themselves. First, they can turn away from soy temporarily since such a large portion of the U.S. soy crop is exported. That decision can produce an immensely wide-reaching set of effects. Skipping a soil rotation in the field
Starting point is 00:20:07 means turning to the other crop in their rotation, corn. Less rotation means more monocropping, which means importing more pesticides and fertilizers, and which increased input costs, shrinking farmers' margins, and all of that means more soil erosion and more nutrient wash-off that flows into the vast Mississippi drainage basin
Starting point is 00:20:28 and ends up in the Gulf of Mexico, which means algae blooms that hurt ecosystems, which means fewer fish, which means fishermen get hurt among other externalities and so on, so on. All of this creates an increasingly brittle agricultural system that goes back to harming farmers in the first place. Secondly, farmers can turn to the other asset they can control, their land itself. While their crops are becoming incredibly cheap, farmers' land values are at record highs, and investors are rushing to buy up farmland. The prospect of selling land that has been run by their family for generations can be painful for farmers,
Starting point is 00:21:04 but the cash influx of a one-time sale can be an attractive prospect to bridge the hard times. But most of the time, as someone involved in agricultural finance told me, farmers sell the land to another farmer in the area, getting out of the farming business completely. That consolidation further incentivizes road crop rotations that rely on soy and corn. Lastly, farmers can rely on government assistance to provide that bridge to better times, as we're seeing today with the new tariff bailouts. But what better times are coming? Providing assistance to farmers now is essential, but if we continue to incentivize a dual crop system that keeps food expensive and unhealthy, keeps farmers dependent on external assistance, and degrades local and far-reaching
Starting point is 00:21:48 environments, then we aren't solving the problem. But if we continue to incentivize a dual crop system that keeps food expensive and unhealthy, keeps farmers dependent on external assistance and degrades local and far-reaching environments, then we aren't solving the problem. So I'll end with some good news and some bad news. First, the good news. We have the tools to address this problem in both the public and private sectors today. Publicly, the USDA administers the Conservation Reserve Program to offer assistance to farmers. It is designed not just to continue to perpetuate the cycles of financial dependency, but to encourage practices that help prevent soil erosion and approve water quality and general farm sustainability. Privately, some companies
Starting point is 00:22:31 are popping up that offer discount financing rates to farmers for incorporating regenerative farming practices that will improve the long-term health of their farms. Profitable farmers, hardy crop land, and healthy diets are not mutually exclusive. In theory, they should go hand-in-hand. The bad news, you can probably already tell for yourself. We are currently going in the wrong direction. Tariffs don't help our farm system. And bailing out farmers so they can turn to corn won't help in the long term either. Our agriculture issues are far more likely to turn into a full-blown crisis
Starting point is 00:23:05 before they ever take a turn for the better. Hopefully they do, but first, something's got to change. We'll be right back after this quick break. That's it for my take on this issue today, which will bring us to your questions answered. This one comes from Jeff from the villages in Florida. Jeff asks, what became of the measles outbreak? Seems like a media blackout of late. This is a timely question.
Starting point is 00:23:41 In January, measles were reported in a largely unvaccinated Mennonite community in West Texas. The disease spread from there with 762 reported cases in Texas by June. That sparked a lot of coverage about the spread of the disease, which was the largest single outbreak of measles in the United States since 2000, when the U.S. declared the disease eliminated in the country. However, after 42 days without a new reported case, the Texas State Department of Health declared the outbreak over on August 18th. That marked the end of the measles chapter in Texas.
Starting point is 00:24:12 However, cases are now being reported in other regions. On December 5th, Colorado reported a new case of measles. and South Carolina reported its 87th case so far this year. And by the way, 77 of those infected were not vaccinated for the disease. If the cases continue, the U.S. could lose its elimination status, which the World Health Organization would revoke after 12 consecutive months of sustained transmission. Canada recently lost their 27-year measles elimination status following an outbreak in New Brunswick, and the United States is now entering its 11th month since the initial outbreak in Texas. All told, over 1,800 cases of measles have been reported in the U.S. so far this
Starting point is 00:24:52 year, so the outbreak from June did not turn into the worst case scenario. You stopped hearing about in public because of that, but the spread of measles hasn't been resolved either. That's it for our listener question today. I'm going to send it back over to John for the rest of the podcast, and I'll talk to you soon. Have a good one. Thanks, Ari. Here's your under-the-radar story for today, On Monday, Maria Cornina Machado, the Venezuelan opposition leader who has been in hiding for a year, escaped the country via boat, seeking to reach Norway in time to receive her Nobel Peace Prize. According to a person close to the escape effort, Machado and two associates pass through 10 military checkpoints without detection over the course of 10 hours before reaching the coast.
Starting point is 00:25:38 Then they arrived in Kurosau by wooden fishing boat on Tuesday afternoon, took a plane to Miami, then flew to Oslo. Lachado's team reportedly informed the Trump administration of the escape route to ensure they would not target the boat as part of their strikes on alleged drug vessels in the Caribbean. The Wall Street Journal has this story and there's a link in today's episode description. All right, next up is our numbers section.
Starting point is 00:26:05 The price per bushel of soybeans on January 21st, 2025, was $10.67. The price per bushel of soybeans, on December 10, 2025, was $10.91. The approximate value of U.S. agricultural exports in 2024 was $176 billion. The average percentage of total agricultural production that the U.S. exports annually is 20%. The total export value of U.S. soybeans in 2024 was $24.47 billion. The compound average growth and export value for U.S. soybeans between 2015 and 2024 was 2.6%.
Starting point is 00:26:43 According to a September 2025 National Corn Growers Association survey, 46% of U.S. farmers say the country is on the brink of a farm crisis, while 33% say it may be. The percentage of farmers who say they are more concerned about their farm's financial situation than a year ago is 65%. And the percentage of vote received by Donald Trump in the 2024 election in farm counties, defined as counties where 25% or more of average annual earnings were derived from farming or 16% or more of jobs were farming is 77.7%. And last but not least, our Have a Nice Day story.
Starting point is 00:27:24 In 2022, 13-year-old Alyssa was diagnosed with T-cell acute lymphoblastic leukemia. Today, she's cancer-free after researchers from University College London treated her blood cancer with a novel gene editing procedure that transformed the DNA in her blood cells into a cancer-fighting living drug. They have now treated eight more children and two adults with T-cell acute lymphoblastic leukemia. Out of the 11 people they've treated, seven remained disease-free and nine achieved a deep remission that enabled them to have a bone marrow transplant. That includes Alyssa, who says she wants to grow up to be a blood cancer researcher.
Starting point is 00:28:01 I'm looking into doing an apprenticeship in biomedical science, and hopefully one day I'll go into blood cancer research as well, Alyssa said. The BBC has this story and there's a link in today's episode description. All right, everybody, that is it for today's episode. As always, if you'd like to support our work, please go to reetangle.com, where you can sign up for a newsletter membership, podcast membership, or a bundled membership
Starting point is 00:28:23 that gets you a discount on both. Isaac Ari and Camille will be here for the suspension of the Rules podcast, which we will also be debuting the full video version of on our YouTube channel tomorrow. And I will return on Monday. For the rest of the crew, this is John Law signing off. Have an absolutely fantastic weekend, y'all.
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