Tangle - The DNC Platform

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Starting point is 00:01:56 some independent thinking, and a little bit of Isaac's take. I am your host, John Law, coming to you from Chicago, where we have been covering the DNC this week. We are on day four, and it's been a really interesting experience. This is my first time at the DNC, and I think the best way to describe it is it feels a bit like the Coachella of politics here. There's obviously the stars of the Democratic Party all here in support, and lots of famous celebrities as well. The energy here is through the roof. People are hyped up. There is a ton of excitement behind this run, and it'll be interesting to see what night four

Starting point is 00:02:36 brings. We hear there's going to be a few surprises. My hope is for Beyonce. Obviously, I'm also very much looking forward to hearing Kamala Harris give the final speech of the DNC. We'll be bringing you some highlights and a recap of what our experience was through the week. So look to our Instagram page and our YouTube channel for those videos coming soon. Today, we are going to be talking about the 2024 DNC party platform. But before we get into that, let's do our quick hits. First up, Minnesota Governor Tim Walz headlined the third night of the DNC, which included speeches from Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, former President Bill Clinton, Oprah Winfrey, and former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. Vice President Kamala Harris will speak tonight.

Starting point is 00:03:26 Number two, a Greek-flagged oil tanker was left drifting ablaze in the Red Sea after a suspected Houthi rebel attack. Separately, Israel and Lebanon exchanged cross-border rocket fire. Number three, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is reportedly planning to end his presidential campaign and endorse former President Donald Trump. Kennedy will give a speech outlining his path forward on Friday. Number four, Ukraine launched one of the largest ever drone strikes on Moscow. At least 11 drones were shot down by Russian air defenses. And number five, a federal judge in Texas blocked a new rule from the Federal Trade Commission banning non-compete agreements. The Democratic National Committee released its party platform. This comes just in time for the party to anoint Vice President Kamala Harris at the convention in Chicago. Only one problem. The 92-page document was passed days before President Joe Biden dropped out of

Starting point is 00:04:23 the presidential race. The platform was not revamped for Harris. On Sunday, the Democratic National Committee released the party's 2024 platform. In a press release, the DNC noted that the platform had been passed on July 16th, prior to President Joe Biden's exit from the presidential race. But the document makes a strong statement about the historic work that President Biden and Vice President Harris have accomplished hand in hand. The platform, however, was not updated to reflect that Biden is no longer the nominee, frequently referencing the president's plans for a second term. Democratic delegates voted to approve the platform on the first day of the party's

Starting point is 00:04:59 national convention in Chicago. The 92-page document broadly outlines Democrats' positions on a variety of issues, including abortion, gun violence, climate change, immigration, and the economy. Uncommitted Democratic delegates reportedly pushed the party to include a call for an arms embargo on Israel in the platform, but this provision did not appear in the final document. Instead, it endorses a negotiated two-state solution that ensures Israel's future as a Jewish and democratic state with recognized borders and upholds the rights of Palestinians to live in freedom and security in a viable state of their own. The plan outlines a vision for the growing economy, from the bottom up and the middle out. It praises Biden for efforts like the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, Inflation Reduction Act, and other initiatives that put workers first.

Starting point is 00:05:47 The platform does acknowledge that too many families still feel the pain of inflation at the grocery store and around the kitchen table when they sit down to pay their bills. But it vows to continue fighting to prevent the kind of supply chain shocks and corporate greed that have done so much to raise prices. and corporate greed that have done so much to raise prices. Other tenants include a call for a $15 minimum wage, a limit on foreign ownership of farmland, and a restoration of the expanded child tax credit and earned income tax credit. On immigration, the platform criticizes Republicans for pulling their support for the Senate's border security bill earlier this year, suggesting that the opposing party would rather play politics than solve problems. The Democrats' plan calls for congressional action on the border, including

Starting point is 00:06:29 additional border patrol agents, immigration judges, asylum officers, cutting-edge inspection machines to help detect and stop the flow of fentanyl, and funding for cities and states that are sheltering migrants. The platform does not outline any policy priorities or positions for Harris's campaign, though it does highlight some of the individual efforts as vice president, including launching the Economic Opportunity Coalition to stimulate economic opportunity in underserved communities and her efforts to promote women's health care. Notably, some of the initiatives differ from or do not acknowledge the proposals Harris has recently backed on the campaign trail.

Starting point is 00:07:04 differ from or do not acknowledge the proposals Harris has recently backed on the campaign trail. For example, the document touts Biden's proposal for a $10,000 tax credit for first-time home buyers, whereas Harris called for a $25,000 first-time home buyer subsidy last week. Furthermore, it praises Democrats for passing an expanded child tax credit that provided $3,600 per child per year to nearly 40 million families. But it does not mention Harris's recent proposal to offer six thousand dollars in tax relief to families during the first year of a child's life. In July, we covered the Republican Party's 2024 platform. You can find that in a link in today's episode description. Today, we're going to share arguments from the left and the right about the Democrats' 2024 platform, and then Isaac's take.

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Starting point is 00:08:35 winner Kieran Culkin, A Real Pain is a comedy about mismatched cousins who reunite for a tour through Poland to honor their beloved grandmother. The adventure takes a turn when the pair's old tensions resurface against the backdrop of their family history. A Real Pain was one of the buzziest titles at Sundance Film Festival this year, garnering rave reviews and acclaim from both critics and audiences alike. See A Real Pain only in theaters November 15th. All right, first up, let's start with what the left is saying. The left is mixed on the platform, with some touting the party's vision on climate change issues.

Starting point is 00:09:17 Some worry that Democrats are shifting back toward hawkish foreign policy. Others note the party's shift to the right on immigration. In the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, Madeleine Himes said, Democrats are worlds apart from the GOP on climate change. While the Republican platform approved last month did not specifically mention climate change, the party platform Democrats approved in Chicago this week embraces the issue, which consistently ranks as a major concern for a majority of Americans, Heim wrote. Historically, Democrats have considered climate change a greater concern than Republicans do. Republicans' 2024 party platform does not mention climate change. It champions lifting of restrictions on oil, natural gas, and coal, and contains the line,

Starting point is 00:09:55 we will drill, baby, drill. As one might expect, the platform draws deep distinctions between how President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump, this year's Republican nominee for president, approached the issue of climate change, Hyman said. The platform applauds Biden's signing of the Inflation Reduction Act, a sweeping climate law that included hundreds of billions of dollars to help the U.S. transition to cleaner forms of energy and reduce greenhouse gases that are driving climate change. During Trump's presidency, he pulled the U.S. out of the Paris Climate Agreement and rolled back more than 125 environmental protection policies, scaling back federal safeguards that the oil and gas industry had derided as burdensome. In the New Republic, Blaise Malley argued the Democrats just erased

Starting point is 00:10:35 all their progress on foreign policy. In 2020, the Democrats released a platform whose foreign policy section was greeted with cautious optimism by the party's progressive wing. The document called for an end to forever wars, a reinvigoration of congressional war powers, a strategic cut to the Pentagon budget, and the end of the Trump-era blank-check policy toward Gulf countries, Malley wrote. Four years later, the center of gravity appears to have shifted almost as far, right back to where it had been previously. The foreign policy section of the party's 2024 platform largely reads as if the 2020 version never existed. The party, it seems, is proudly hawkish once again. The 2020 platform included a section

Starting point is 00:11:13 on ending forever wars and the lessons that should be learned from decades of misguided military interventions, including opposition to regime change and the need for informed consent to war from the American public and its elected representatives in Congress. That has been completely removed in the 2024 platform, Malley

Starting point is 00:11:29 said. Also absent is the section arguing for the balancing of defense spending with other foreign and domestic priorities. Instead, the entire platform ends with a section titled Strongest Military in the World. In Vox, Christian Paz wrote about the major political transformation flying under the radar at the DNC. On the third night of the Democratic National Convention four years ago, immigration was front and center. Americans heard a series of personal stories about how Trump-era policies had scrambled immigrants and their families' lives, Paz said. Four years later, the DNC sounds a lot different, reflecting how public opinion toward immigration in general has soured as comments over how secure the border is have risen.

Starting point is 00:12:09 Gone are the heartfelt testimonies from undocumented immigrants, the repudiation of Trump-era policies, and the calls for better treatment of migrants and expansion of asylum protections. The 2024 party platform supports quicker deportations of economic migrants and stricter asylum rules, including the ability to stop processing those asylum claims. It's not clear that those policies would help deter or slow the rate of future immigration, either legal or not, but for the time being, Democrats can report some results. After historically high numbers of migrant encounters at the southern border, crossings have been declining every month for the past five months, Paz wrote. 2024, as Democrats sound very different from 2020 when none of these kinds of stricter proposals appeared in the party's

Starting point is 00:12:50 platform. All right, that is it for what the left is saying, which brings us to what the right is saying. The right is critical of the platform, rejecting its prescription of bigger government for most issues. Some say Biden's accomplishments that the document highlights are not really accomplishments. Others argue that the platform reveals Harris will govern the same as Biden. The Wall Street Journal editorial board called the platform the Democratic Party's Project 2025. The Wall Street Journal editorial board called the platform the Democratic Party's Project 2025. The 92-page document is filled with political rhetoric and exaggerations that present Mr. Biden as a working-class hero and Donald Trump as a richy-rich villain. But the platform is also a peek into the economic worldview in which the government is the answer, almost no matter the question.

Starting point is 00:13:45 While private businesses are always gouging and adding junk fees or otherwise trying to rip somebody off, Washington's wise men are capable of providing for the American people if only they have the power to pass the laws and regulations, the board wrote. There's plenty else in the platform, including turning Washington into the 51st state, codifying national abortion protections, spending more on environmental justice and climate change. Ms. Harris isn't committed to every jot of this document, and the rap on the party platforms is that they're quickly forgotten. But is Ms. Harris really going to steer in a different direction if Democrats send her to the White House after she won zero primary votes?

Starting point is 00:14:18 In her debut speech as the presumptive nominee, she said she wants a country where every person has affordable health care, affordable child care, and paid family leave. In red state, Mike Miller said the platform is laughable and obscene in its lies. It's no surprise that the official 2024 Democratic Party platform, released late Sunday, is jam-packed with lies from beginning to end. platform released late Sunday is jam-packed with lies from beginning to end. After all, every Democrat party platform is jam-packed with lies from beginning to end. But what makes this one special is the blatancy of its ridiculous claims, Miller wrote. For starters, the platform calls for the re-election of President Joe Biden, who was still the candidate at the time the document was finalized in mid-July. Moreover, the platform claims that Biden and Harris have achieved great progress for Americans,

Starting point is 00:15:09 repeatedly highlighting Biden's achievements and positions, even when they differ from Harris's comments. One question, what achievements? Biden's disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal debacle resulting in the death of 11 Marines, one Navy corpsman, and one Army soldier, and as many as 9,000 Americans left behind Taliban lines? Perhaps the way Biden intentionally drove up gas prices, ultimately raiding strategic oil reserves several times in desperate efforts to lower them? Or maybe his greatest achievement was overall Bidenomics and his stubborn insistence, blatant lies, that the

Starting point is 00:15:43 Biden economy has been a success. In PJ Media, Matt Margolis wrote, The new DNC platform says the quiet part out loud. The platform manages to hilariously say the quiet part out loud, and it's a real hoot. Kamala's team had zero interest in updating the party's platform because, according to the platform's preamble, President Biden, Vice President Harris, and Democrats are running to finish the job, Margolis said.

Starting point is 00:16:07 Is Joe Biden still running for president? No. The Harris campaign simply had zero interest in what former Democratic National Committee chairman Steve Grossman explains as creating any divisiveness whatsoever around platform issues during her abbreviated campaign.

Starting point is 00:16:22 There are zero references to any of Kamala's recent economic proposals, nor does it reflect her foreignated campaign. There are zero references to any of Kamala's recent economic proposals, nor does it reflect her foreign policy vision. The document presents a tougher stance against Hamas than Kamala's public position since becoming the party's presumptive nominee, Margolis wrote. In 2012, controversy erupted over the Democratic Party platform and the issue of recognizing Jerusalem as the country's capital. Something tells me this part of the platform is going to cause even more controversy. But in the end, the document tells us what we already know. Kamala's first term will be Biden's second term. All right, that is ever what the left and the right are saying, which brings us to Isaac's take.

Starting point is 00:17:13 Just a reminder that this is Isaac's opinion, and I'm just reading it in the first person. When we covered the Republican Party's 2024 platform in July, I offered some brief, candid thoughts on the document's 20 promises that laid out the party's priorities. The GOP's document was interesting, not for specific proposals, but for how it showed the direction the party is headed. The same is true for the Democrats' platform. The 2024 Democratic platform has many similarities with 2020's, supporting workers, lifting up the middle class, taxing the wealthy, and addressing gun violence. But I'm most struck by how it differs. First, prices. Inflation wasn't an issue in 2020, so things like groceries and gas weren't discussed in that year's platform, while housing and healthcare costs were. Four years later, this is one of the Democrats' most vulnerable issues.

Starting point is 00:17:55 The 2024 section on costs is broad, with some ideas I like. Negotiating lower prices for prescription drugs, investing in new housing, for example. And some I don't like, like mass student loan cancellation and $10,000 credits for homebuyers. Democrats continue to center corporate greed as a main driver of higher costs. There's a whole subsection of this chapter about it, but included nothing about Harris's proposed price-gouging ban. Second, climate and energy policy. I noticed some subtle shifts here from the 2020 platform, which focused on how climate change impacts disadvantaged groups, set out net zero emissions goals, and emphasized racial and socioeconomic equity in climate policy. Those ideas are still there in 2024, but the bigger focus is on investing in clean energy, lowering energy costs, and creating new jobs in the energy industry.

Starting point is 00:18:42 Personally, I was disheartened to see the commitment to investing in nuclear energy in the 2020 platform was removed from 2024. As I've said before, I don't see a path toward energy independence and a healthy environment that doesn't include nuclear. Third, crime and policing. Here's one of the opening lines from the Democrats' platform four years ago. Democrats believe we need to overhaul the criminal justice system from the top to the bottom. Police brutality is a stain on the soul of our nation.

Starting point is 00:19:10 Here's what the 2024 platform says. Democrats will pass Biden's Safer America plan, which calls on Congress to invest $37 billion to support law enforcement and crime prevention. That includes funding 100,000 additional police officers for accountable community policing and $5 billion in community violence intervention. It's hard to overstate the magnitude of this pivot. Gone are the days of defund the police. In fact, the 2024 platform explicitly says we need to fund the police, not to defund the police. Fourth, identity politics.

Starting point is 00:19:42 The 2024 platform had a chapter titled Healing the Soul of America that focused on diversity and equity initiatives for a range of minority communities. And the words diversity, justice, and equity appeared frequently throughout the entire document, often as guiding principles for other chapters. 2024's equivalent chapter is a smorgasbord of ideas under the umbrella of protecting democracy, including appointing progressive judges, expanding voting rights, and stopping the influence of special interests. If diversity and equity were the Thanksgiving turkey of the 2020 platform, their 2024 is stuffing. Fifth, immigration. Apart from the section on crime and policing, this is probably the biggest shift from 2020. Back then, the platform focused on creating a 21st century immigration system that prioritized welcoming immigrants and asylum seekers and undoing many of Trump's immigration policies.

Starting point is 00:20:31 In 2024, the focus is firmly on securing the border, deterring illegal immigration, and cracking down on drug trafficking at the U.S.-Mexico border, closer to the 2024 Republican positions than 2020 Democrats' stance. You can look at those changes in a couple of ways. Democrats could be responding to the will of the majority of Americans, including their base,

Starting point is 00:20:50 who think that the party strayed too far from the left by backing slogans like defund the police and dismissing Trump's immigration policy as fundamentally racist. In this view, the party's shift is democracy at work, reflecting the will of the majority. Then there's the cynical take. Democrats are scrambling to backtrack after getting swept up in the anti-police rhetoric of 2020 and their reflexive opposition to any of Trump's policies. They're not evolving or staying true to their values, but fundamentally changing their positions to chase after centrist voters who don't share the values of their base. Both views are probably partially true, but I lean more toward the second group. It's hard not to see these shifts as a product

Starting point is 00:21:29 of a party more concerned with winning than maintaining their values. Democrats aren't alone in making these calculations. Just look at Republicans and abortion. But it's another reminder that political expediency guides a party more than principle. Then there's the elephant in the room. I counted 19 references to President Biden's next term and zero mentions of what a Harris presidency might look like. That might not seem like a big deal for a document about the party's grand vision,

Starting point is 00:21:54 but since party platforms are largely ceremonial, this signals the party is not focused on policy and feeds into the criticism that Democrats are smoke-screening Harris' specific positions for as long as possible. Overall, my biggest takeaway is the same one I had from reviewing the 2024 GOP platform. The parties are moving closer together. It's nice to see some consensus on policing, immigration, and energy,

Starting point is 00:22:17 but that also makes me frustrated with our inability to legislate on that consensus. In an ideal world, the parties would campaign on their differences and pass legislation where they agree. Unfortunately, I don't think we're heading in that direction, no matter what the party platforms say. We'll be right back after this quick break. Oh, that coffee smells good. Can you pass me the sugar when you're finished? break. If you're struggling with your payments, speak to your bank. The earlier they understand your situation, the more options and relief measures could be available to you.

Starting point is 00:23:07 Learn more at Canada.ca slash it pays to know. A message from the Government of Canada. From Searchlight Pictures comes A Real Pain, one of the most moving and funny films of the year. Written and directed by Oscar-nominated Jesse Eisenberg and starring Eisenberg and Emmy Award winner Kieran Culkin, A Real Pain is a comedy about mismatched cousins who reunite for a tour through Poland to honor their beloved grandmother. The adventure takes a turn when the pair's old tensions resurface against the backdrop of their family history. A Real Pain was one of the buzziest titles at Sundance Film Festival this year, garnering rave reviews and acclaim from both critics and audiences alike. See A Real Pain only in theaters November 15th. Based on Charles Yu's

Starting point is 00:23:49 award-winning book, Interior Chinatown follows the story of Willis Wu, a background character trapped in a police procedural who dreams about a world beyond Chinatown. When he inadvertently becomes a witness to a crime, Willis begins to unravel a criminal web, his family's buried history, and what it feels like to be in the spotlight. Interior Chinatown is streaming November 19th, only on Disney+. All right, that's it for Isaac's take, which brings us to your questions answered.

Starting point is 00:24:25 This one comes from Robert in Dallas, Texas. Robert asks, are you ever going to address the issue of Trump's mental state, age, and fitness for office? Not to take a stand on it, but at least acknowledge that there's a genuine, important, and serious issue that needs to be discussed. If not, I think you owe your readers an explanation for that editorial decision. So this is from Isaac. That is a question we've gotten a number of times from readers. We covered the issue of Biden's age several times over the course of the past year when Biden was the presumptive nominee.

Starting point is 00:24:56 He was said to be the oldest official presidential candidate in history at 81 years old. Now that Vice President Kamala Harris has replaced Biden at the top of the ticket, former President Donald Trump is the official oldest presidential nominee in our country's history. So is it a similar problem for Trump? Yes and no. As I've said a few times over the past year, Biden's issues were not about his age as a number, but his age as it affected him as a leader. I've seen seniors slow down at a younger age than Biden did, and there are plenty of examples of politicians older than he is who are still quite vigorous, like Senator Bernie Sanders,

Starting point is 00:25:29 about whom I haven't read a single editorial questioning his ability to serve on account of his age. During one of our editions on this topic, we quoted Brian York of the Washington Examiner, who summed it up as well as I could. If serving between the ages of 78 and 82 is too old for Biden, wouldn't it be too old for Trump? The answer is yes, it would. Now, the Trump of today is much more vigorous appearing than Biden. If you watched one of Trump's rallies, you would see a high energy performance that goes on somewhere between an hour and an hour and a half, York wrote. Trump appears to be infinitely stronger and more energetic than Biden, but age is coming for Trump, just as it did for Biden.

Starting point is 00:26:07 Now, there are plenty of examples of Trump forgetting names, confusing details, or generally appearing less sharp, which may be worth watching going forward. It's fair to suggest a double standard given the degree of scrutiny on Biden's communication issues, but I think York's point about Trump projecting much more vigor is the fundamental difference between him and Biden when it comes to concerns about their acuity. Next up is our Under the Radar story. Last month, Brazil broke ground on what it hopes will become the first maximum security biosciences laboratory in Latin America. The lab, named Orion, is being constructed about 60 miles northwest of Sao Paulo and is scheduled to be operational by 2028.

Starting point is 00:26:47 It will contain Biosafety Level 4 labs, the highest security level for biosafety standards, to work with deadly airborne pathogens for which there are currently no vaccines or treatments. There are 51 BSL-4 labs in operation around the world, and another 18 are in planning or under construction, including Orion. Brazilian researchers stress the need for a facility near the Amazon rainforest. We're sitting on a powder keg in terms of potential emergent pathogens, said Fernando Spilchi, a veterinary virologist at Phi Valley University in Novo Amburgo, Brazil. Nature has this story, and there's a link in today's episode description. All right, next up is our numbers section. The number of mentions of President Joe Biden in the Democratic National Committee's 2024 platform is 287. The number of mentions of Vice President Kamala Harris in the platform is 32.

Starting point is 00:27:40 The number of references to President Biden's second term in the platform is 19. The number of references to diversity in the DNC's 2020 platform is 15. The number of references to diversity in the 2024 platform is 1. The number of references to race and racial issues in the 2020 platform is 55. The number of references to race or racial issues in the 2024 platform is 14. The number of references to the southern border in the 2024 platform is 14. The number of references to the southern border in the 2020 platform is 4, and the number of references to the southern border in the 2024 platform is 45. All right, and last but not least, our Have a Nice Day story. After being held in

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Starting point is 00:28:58 All right, everybody, that is it for today's episode. As always, if you'd like to support our work, please go to retangle.com and sign up for a membership. As we mentioned at the top, this is the last day of the DNC convention and we are going to be covering it from top to bottom,

Starting point is 00:29:11 including any surprise guests and of course, Kamala Harris's closing speech. We're going to bring you a quick recap of nights three and four from the DNC on Instagram and there's going to be a longer video with more commentary

Starting point is 00:29:22 on YouTube coming soon. We'll be right back here on Monday for Isaac and the rest of the crew, this is John Law signing off. Have a fantastic weekend, y'all. Peace. Our podcast is written by me, Isaac Saul, and edited and engineered by Duke Thomas.

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Tangle - The DNC Platform

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