Tangle - The Graham Platner controversies.

Episode Date: October 30, 2025

In recent weeks, Graham Platner, a Democratic candidate for Senate in Maine, has faced controversy for some prior statements and actions uncovered by news outlets. Platner is running against Maine Gov. Janet Mills (D) and several other candidates for the Democratic nomination; the winner is expected to face Sen. Susan Collins (R) in the general election. Ad-free podcasts are here!To listen to this podcast ad-free, and to enjoy our subscriber only premium content, go to ReadTangle.com to sign up!You can read today's podcast⁠ ⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠, our “Under the Radar” story ⁠here and today’s “Have a nice day” story ⁠here⁠.You can subscribe to Tangle by clicking here or drop something in our tip jar by clicking here. Take the survey: Do you think Platner should drop out of the race? Let us know.Disagree? That's okay. My opinion is just one of many. Write in and let us know why, and we'll consider publishing your feedback.Our Executive Editor and Founder is Isaac Saul. Our Executive Producer is Jon Lall.This podcast was written by: Isaac Saul and edited and engineered by Dewey Thomas. Music for the podcast was produced by Diet 75.Our newsletter is edited by Managing Editor Ari Weitzman, Senior Editor Will Kaback, Lindsey Knuth, Kendall White, Bailey Saul, and Audrey Moorehead. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

From executive producer Isaac Saul, this is Tangle. Good morning, good afternoon and good evening, and welcome to the Tangle podcast, a place we get views from across the political spectrum, some independent thinking, and a little bit of my take. I'm your host, Isaac Saul, and on today. episode, we're going to be talking about Graham Platner and some of the controversies surrounding the Democratic candidate for Senate in Maine. I'm going to share some views from the left and the right and some views from Maine columnist. And then I'm going to share my take. Before you jump in, a quick heads up that tomorrow we are publishing that response piece to what I wrote last week. The story titled, yes, things are actually pretty bad right now. Tomorrow, in another member's only edition,

we are running a response to that piece from Associate Editor Audrey Moorhead. She's going to be making the case that Trump isn't the only one to blame, that the current political climate is a direct result of the cultural and institutional dominance of the left. I think it's a really good piece.

I've read a draft of it. We're still working on it. And we're going to publish that on the website and then she'll probably do a read-down of it here on the podcast. So keep an ear out for that. And it'll be worth your time, I hope. All right. I'm going to send it over to John for today's main topic, and I'll be back for my take.

Thanks, Isaac, and welcome, everybody. Here are your quick hits for today. First up, President Donald Trump met with President Xi Jinping, and the two reached an agreement to lower U.S. tariffs on Chinese imports in exchange for a promise from China to crack down on the trade of chemicals used to make fentanyl, ease exports of rare earth minerals, and buy U.S. soybeans. Shortly before the meeting, President Trump ordered the Pentagon to resume nuclear weapons testing on an equal basis, alluding to other countries' nuclear programs. Number two, the Federal Reserve voted to lower the benchmark federal funds rate by 25 basis

points to a range of 3.75 to 4 percent, the second rate cut in 2025. Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell said the current outlook for employment and inflation appears similar to September, when the Central Bank voted to cut rates for the first time. Number three, more than 30 deaths have been attributed to Hurricane Melissa in Jamaica, Haiti, and the Dominican Republic, as rescue operations continue. The hurricane was downgraded to a Category 2 storm and is moving toward Bermuda as of Thursday morning. Number four, the Senate voted 50 to 46 to advance a resolution to repeal tariffs on Canadian imports imposed by President Trump using emergency powers. Four Republicans joined all voting Democrats in support

of the measure, which now moves to the House. And number five, a police raid targeting a drug gang in neighborhoods in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, resulted in at least 119 deaths. The raid sparked protests at the state's government headquarters. Okay, two weeks ago on the show, I interviewed Maine Senate candidate Graham Platner, the oyster men, an upstart candidate, trying to win the Democratic. nomination to challenge Susan Collins in November. And a lot has happened since that interview. I mean, just days after that interview, a number of Plattner's old Reddit post resurfaced showing the candidate had made a number of offensive statements online, calling himself

a communist, calling all police officers bastards, using anti-gays slurs, suggesting black people don't tip, minimizing sexual assault, and appearing to call for political violence. Platner has since apologized for all those posts saying that the posts, which are at least four years old are not indicative of who he is today. And he has also openly talked about the impact of his time in the military and the PTSD he has suffered and what he has battled through since that period of time. In recent weeks, Graham Platner, a Democratic candidate for Senate in Maine, has faced controversy for some prior statements and actions uncovered by news outlets. Platner is running against Maine Governor Janet Mills and several other candidates for the Democratic

nomination. The winner is expected to face Senator Susan Collins in the general election. Platner launched his bid for Senate in August, running on a platform of campaign finance reform, Medicare for All, and breaking up large corporations, among other progressive priorities. Before his entry into politics, he was deployed three times to Iraq with the Marine Corps and then served in Afghanistan with the Maryland Army National Guard. According to his campaign website, he struggled with undiagnosed PTSD and physical challenges from his service and moved back to Maine to seek treatment. He subsequently began work as an oyster farmer in his hometown.

Platner has risen to national prominence for his explicit challenges to the Democratic Party's establishment, drawing comparisons to ascended progressive figures like New York City mayoral candidate Zoran Mamdani and Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Senator Bernie Sanders has also endorsed Plattner. However, controversy has followed his newfound spotlight. On October 16th, CNN published comments Plattner made on Reddit years prior. In the most notable post, Plattner calls himself a vegetable-growing, psychedelics-taking socialist, and a communist, says all police officers are bastards, and suggests white people are racist or stupid. Plattner disavowed the posts, telling CNN, that was very much me fring around on the internet.

I don't think that any of that is indicative of who I am today, really. On October 17th, the Washington Post published additional deleted Reddit posts from 2013, in which Plattner appeared to downplay concerns about sexual assault in the military. Platner apologized for the posts, which he said he made in a difficult time in his life after his fourth deployment. I don't want people to judge me off the dumbest thing I said on the internet 12 years ago, he said. The advocate also uncovered posts in which he used homophobic slurs and the term gay as an insult, which Platner apologized for, saying, Today, I find that stuff abhorrent. Separately, recent reporting revealed that Platner had a skull symbol tattooed on his chest that is associated with Nazi police. He says he got the tattoo during a

night of drinking in 2007, while in Croatia on leave from the military, claiming not to know the Symbols Association. Plattner covered up the tattoo after its existence was made public, though a former acquaintance claimed Plattner had known about the Nazi Association for years. The multiple revelations have disrupted Platner's campaign. His political director, Genevieve McDonald, resigned over the Reddit posts, and Kevin Brown, a longtime friend, stepped down as campaign manager just days after assuming the role. Brown said he recently found out his wife is pregnant, and he would not be able to dedicate sufficient time to the race. Plattner has also escalated his criticisms of the Democratic Party, telling attendees at a town hall event on Monday

that the party is trying to destroy his life. Today, we'll explore the controversies surrounding Plattener with views from the right, left, and main writers, and then Isaac's take. We'll be right back after this quick break. All right. First up, let's start with what the right is saying. The right criticizes Platinor's defenders calling out a double standard. Some say Plattenor's candidacy is based on a fraudulent image. In the American conservative, W. James, Antel the third wrote about Platner, partisanship, and problems.

Maybe none of it is disqualifying anymore. Platner is a candidate with a regrettable tattoo is how one prominent progressive commentator put it. Sensorious, Hall Monitor liberalism that refuses to accept growth in people is bad for Democrats, another opined, Antel said. A University of New Hampshire poll that was partially conducted after all the negative news broke shows Platner beating Janet Mills, the incumbent governor, and Chuck Schumer's choice for Senate,

in a Democratic primary by 34 points. It is impossible to imagine this kind of grace being extended to Pete Hegsef, Elon Musk, a young Donald Trump campaign worker, or really anyone a millimeter to the right of, well, Susan Collins, even in a limited, what a shame that a promising person fell apart once carefully vetted sort of way. Certainly not in an unabashed, we all make mistakes when we're young, and this guy has interesting stuff to say about the war,

the working class and wokeness manner, Antelrode. Whether Plattner's Reddit history represents genuinely, bigotry or bizarre, anti-woke contrarian horseplay. It isn't healthy, and it isn't bad coalition politics to say so, no matter how low-level those involved might be. In the Daily Caller, Amber Duke criticized Platner's contrived working-class act. Plattner is described by left-wing activist and podcaster Emma Vigland as authentically working class, except Platner's dad was a lawyer with his own private practice, who was reprimanded for professional misconduct, ran a local office and as a candidate supported painting crosswalks in LGBT pride colors and donated

$50,000 to Democrats over the years, Duke said. His own mother owns two restaurants and a gift shop, helped fund Platner's oyster business, and is apparently his biggest customer. His grandfather was a renowned modernist architect who graduated from Cornell. His aunt runs the children's care facility at Yale New Haven Hospital. Plattner went to private high school. Is this a working-class phenom or the son of wealthy left-wing activists who spent his life struggling with his identity before finally creating a false one, Duke asked. Platner's uncovered Reddit posts do even more to deny him credibility with real working-class folks. He called all-police bastards, described himself as a communist and an Antifa super-soldier,

and says that white rural Americans are stupid and racist. Color me skeptical that Platner has the working-class best interests at heart. All right, that is it for what the right is saying, which brings us to what the left is saying. The left is mixed on the controversies with some arguing Democrats should continue to pursue energizing candidates, even if they're flawed. Others say Platner's appeal won't extend beyond the Democratic primary. In the New Republic, Alex Shepard said Graham Platner is a disaster. Democrats need more candidates like him. I don't think anyone could take a look at the state of the Democratic Party or, relatedly, the larger Democratic brand, and conclude that

the party's kingmaking is going well, Shepard wrote. Platner generated a ton of attention online by seeming like the kind of candidate Democrats need, an authentic person with a knack for communicating a populist message in a social media era. It turned out he was a dud. That is going to happen sometimes when backing inexperienced candidates, perhaps more often than when backing experienced ones. Democratic leaders and incumbents are, on the whole, so old and uninspiring that anyone with a little bit of charisma will generate the kind of hype that Platner did. He didn't work out, and now the Democratic Party leaders can boast that they got this one right. But they got it right by doing the same thing they always do, the same thing that has left the party powerless

and in its weakest position in years, Shepard said. The Democrats need excitement and youth. That requires taking some risks, which means elevating more candidates like Platner, so many of them that none of them carry the burdens of being the party's fresh-faced future. In the Atlantic, Jonathan Chate wrote about what progressives keep getting wrong. Platner is toughing it out, as scandal-plagued candidates almost always do. What's surprising is that his supporters appear completely unfazed by the bad news avalanche. Rather than abandon his candidacy, or even back off slightly, until they've seen the end of the damaging stories, they have accepted his apologies and backed him to the hilt, Chate said.

Indeed, progressives have treated the Platner revelations as a scandal revealing more about the perfidy of his enemies than about him. The left's continued embrace of Plattenor has a certain logic. Progressives have a theory of political change for which he remains, despite his massive and ever-expanding political baggage, the ideal prototype. That is, rather than abandon unpopular positions, Democrats should court votes by nominating more candidates who look like, talk-like, and ideally even are working-class people, cheat-root.

But the reason Democrats are underdogs in this race is that it's incumbent, Susan Collins, has won election after election by cultivating a reputation as a moderate, which illustrates the value of ideological moderation. So far, Platner is making a little effort to do this. All right, that is it for what writers from the right and the left are saying, which brings us to what main writers are saying. Some main writers say Platner's scandals are disqualifying. Others argue Platner should stay in the race and make his case to voters. In the Portland Press Herald, Stephen Collins said Plattner should bow out. The trouble is, there's nothing special about Platner.

I'm willing to believe he's a decent guy today, but I can't lose sight of the fact that he's never won an election, never earned a college degree, never achieved any distinction except as an enthusiastic organizer for socialist and other left-wing causes, Colin's route. Plattenor's biggest achievement in life thus far is that he has persuaded a large number of Democrats that he ought to be their Senate candidate in Maine.

I'm flummoxed at the notion that his ability to sway activists is extraordinary enough for them to overlook a growing number of shocking revelations. With Platner as their candidate, Democrats won't just lose big to Collins. They'll hand Trump's team the opportunity to smear other candidates with the charge that Democrats are cop-haters who despise rural voters, Colin said. Plattenor risks spoiling races around the country for candidates who really do possess the experience, education, and eloquence to help stop the MAGA agenda. He should stick to oyster farming and let Janet Mills focus on what she's good at,

winning elections. In central main.com, State Representative Valley Geiger wrote, Graham Platner deserves grace. I worked at the Togus VA for six years as a nurse and talked with hundreds of veterans. Unless you're a psychopath, if you've seen combat,

you likely return to the U.S. with physical and moral injuries, Geiger said. My own nephew was a Marine. He returned from service whole and body, but with moral injury. My nephew, like Graham Platner, sought mental health treatment at the VA and is healing with their support and the support of a loving family.

Graham Plattenor is a success story. He returned, lost and struggling, but found his way back. Plattener is a reformer, and reformers are angry. He understands that the true enemy of the American people is the oligarchy, the oilmen who keep us going to war and burning fossil fuels as the planet heats up, the weapons industry that profits from war and uses young idealistic men as cannon fodder and the politicians who serve them, Geiger wrote. Platner's opponents intend to silence a man who would disrupt the status quo,

fight for a better life for those who work for a living, who would demand that the obscene profits of the few are shared by all who made those profits possible. All right, let's head over to Isaac for his take. All right, that is it for the left and the writer's saying, which brings us to my take. So in a lot of ways, I actually understand why Democrats might have a hard time letting Platt

Democrat's 2024 election post-mortem has produced an obsession with reconnecting to young men and populist policies. Can the left find their Joe Rogan or their Charlie Kirk? How can the party message its progressive populist ideas without sounding like out-of-touch Ivy League professors? And then in walks Graham Platner. Out of the blue, the party is gifted this tough-looking, burly ex-marine who taught. like the offspring of Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

Unlike Ocasio-Cortez and maybe Zohra Mandani, though, he didn't have the demographic baggage that might scare off a moderate or a conservative. He's a white, hairy, ex-military dude, a tough working-class man. At 41 years old, he's even young, especially for a senator, but he's got the gift of a gravely voice that feels battle-worn and wizened. His Wikipedia page is speckled with biographical foresight Like protesting the Iraq War as a senior in high school Yet when he deployed for a few tours in the Middle East

He did so in a combat role As one of the tough guys actually holding a gun and fighting He says he thought he could do some good Best of all, he's not an urbanite teeing up a run In an already deep blue city or state He's from Maine, running in Maine And runs an oyster farming business in Maine On paper, Democrats were in heaven, a farmer, a Marine, a progressive, all in a state where they could actually flip a Senate seat?

Politics and biographical details aside, Plattner reminds me a lot of politicians like Mamdani or Marjorie Taylor Green or John Fetterman. They just feel genuinely authentic. You get the sense, regardless of their political views, that they are being themselves. At a moment when the Democratic leadership seems so disconnected from their base, when the party feels unmoored to any post that isn't Trump is bad, when Congress has become so geriatric, it felt like the political gods decided to hand Democrats a gift from heaven. At least, that's what it felt like.

The truth, as we learn repeatedly, is that when a populist uprising boosts an otherwise unknown candidate into the national spotlight, we still have a lot to learn about them. Right now, Plattenor is weathering several controversies, the Nazi tattoo, the downplaying of sexual assault in the military, and the anti-gay slurs, among other controversial posts from his past. Those scams are important, but it's equally important that his resume offers little to counter them. He serves as Harbormaster in Sullivan, Maine, and sits on the town planning board. Both positions are appointed. He's never won an election of any kind, and I don't think he's ever managed more than a handful of people,

the time. Now he's a couple of steps away from the United States Senate. That populous working class authenticity, well, it might not be so authentic. He comes from a line of well-off, very left, academic types. He went to a pricey private school. The biggest customer for his business is his mom, a restaurant owner, and he has told news outlets that the business doesn't make much money, but it works out because he lives off disabled veteran benefits. At 41, nothing on his resume indicates he's been a successful enough leader to become one of the most 100 powerful elected officials in the country. And to be clear, I actually think Congress could use a few more normy people with normy resumes. But if those resumes are loaded with this kind of baggage, there are some problems.

We aren't even close to the general election yet, where Platner would run against a Republican who the GOP will be trying desperately to protect. And this is what we know after a few months in the friendly part of the cycle. I imagine that a whole year of opposition research will only unearth more problems for Plattner. As for my standards, well, I've tried to make them clear. I called for Democrat J. Jones to drop out, and I was happy to see some accountability

for the young Republicans whose text messages were full of racism, rape jokes, and support for political violence. At the same time, I'm also for redemption and grace. To me, Plattner's case, rests on a kind of razor's edge. I can genuinely see the case for either letting Mainers decide

or rallying around a call for him to drop out. I appreciated progressive pundit Emma Vigelin's take that casting platinum out seems like the censorious hall monitor liberalism that refuses to accept growth in people. And I actually think she's right.

But if Democrats want to support a forgiveness and grace campaign, they should be consistent when an up-and-coming Republican is in the spotlight. It's not hard to imagine how they'd treat an important Republican candidate with a Nazi tattoo. Just look back at how they approached Pete Heggseth's controversial ink. Personally, I found Platner's apology for his past Reddit post believable, genuine, and compelling. In some ways, it made me like him even more.

He admitted he was wrong, explained his state of mind in a non-defensive way, and promised to try to do better. It was as sincere an apology as you could ask for. The Nazi tattoo scandal, for a lot of reasons, has felt different. Platner's story doesn't quite add up. He said he didn't know the symbol had been used by Nazis, but others say he definitely did. He got it in Croatia drunkenly, but never decided to do anything about it

in the nearly 20 years before it became public knowledge. What are we supposed to make of this? In my mind, I wonder, are the odds better that Platner holds some Nazi views or that he liked the way some edgy body art looked, despite what the meaning might be. I'd put my money on the ladder, but it's not a bet I'm particularly eager to make

for a potential U.S. senator. Democrats, like Representative Jake Ockincloss from Massachusetts, whom we know quite well here at Tangle, have called on Plattner to drop out. I think this is a perfectly reasonable moral line to draw on the sand. If nothing else, it might be wise politically. Despite Plattenor's early success in the polls,

the general election could get ugly, especially if the GOP can dig up something even juicier. Even at 72, Senator Susan Collins, the Republican, will be a formidable opponent for whomever she faces, let alone someone with Platner's controversies and thin resume. At the same time, I think there's also a case for Platner staying in and letting the voters decide. Mainers have the information they need in order to make an informed decision. Platner is in a primary race against the current governor, Janet Mills, an experienced well-funded establishment pick with high name recognition. If he can win this primary race against a party-supported

candidate who is currently the governor, what does that say about the Democratic establishment's staying power? And why would they resist? At the same time, should his ability to address and overcome the controversies then win in an open democratic process supersede the will of other Democrats who want to see him walk away? My answer, given the transgressions here, is probably yes, but I don't blame folks like Auchin-Claas for staking out a different high ground. Both extending grace and holding high standards are worthy principles to stick to. And if I were leaving the Democratic Party, I'm not entirely sure what I would do. We'll be right back after this quick break.

All right, that is it for my. take, which brings us to your question's answer, this one came in from several Tangle listeners. They asked, why do you continue to categorize the Washington Post editorial board under the left? Okay, so this question most recently came in after we included the Washington Post editorial board under what the left is saying in our coverage of President Trump's East Wing demolition. But we've fielded similar inquiries for some time now. First of all, it's an understandable inquiry given the board's recent shakeup. Almost exactly a year ago, post-owner Jeff Bezos reportedly stepped in to halt an editorial endorsing Kamala Harris for president.

Shortly thereafter, the papers publisher announced it would forego presidential endorsements in the future, prompting a number of editorial board members to step down. Then, in February, Bezos announced a shift in focus for the opinion section writing to post-staffers, we are going to be writing every day in support and defense of two pillars, personal liberties and three markets. That announcement prompted opinions editor David Shipley to resign, and one month later liberal columnist Ruth Marcus also resigned, claiming that the paper had killed her piece, criticizing Bezos's decision. More changes have followed, most notably the paper hiring three conservative columnists earlier this month. Now, this sequence of events paints a picture of a news

outlet moving decidedly to the right, and their defense of President Trump's ballroom project could be seen as the ultimate indicator of that transition. However, we are not quite ready to categorize them on the right just yet. The recent editorials displayed a less right-word slant and more of a centrist-center-left slant toward criticizing the left and the right. For instance, they ran a piece on mid-decade gerrymandering efforts and criticized Republicans and Democrats

for engaging in counterproductive partisan warfare. Several other recent pieces took a similar approach. Many of their articles make conventional center-left arguments, like a piece denouncing Federal Communications Commission Chairman Brendan Carr's comments about Jimmy Kimmel or another piece supporting a federal judge's decision to block the National Guard deployment to Portland. With some exceptions like welcoming Javier Miele's midterm success in Argentina, most of their editorial stakeout positions between the center and center left, almost akin to an editorial board like Bloomberg's, which is still considered left, but much closer to the middle.

And while Bezos is directive to focus editorials on personal liberties, and free markets could read as right-coded, there's also nothing exclusively conservative about those ideals. Ratings for media bias evaluators back up our assessment. All sides rates the board as lean left, Adfantes rates it as skews left, and media bias fact-check rates it as left center.

So for now, we still think the post-editorial board fits best under the left. All of this obviously is indicative of the messiness of trying to label news outlets or journalists with complex views. we'll continue to use our discretion. If the board starts to make right-leaning or left-critical arguments more regularly, we'll recategorize them. All right, that is it for my take.

I'm going to send it back to John for the rest of the pod, and I'll see you guys tomorrow. Have a good one. Peace. Thanks, Isaac. Here's your under-the-radar story for today, folks. On Monday, Indiana Governor Mike Braun called a special legislative session to consider redrawing the state's congressional map,

which would make it the fourth Republican-controlled state to do so in the middle of the redistricting cycle after Texas, Missouri, and North Carolina. Republicans currently control seven of nine districts in the state, but new maps could be drawn to give the party control of all nine. However, Republican lawmakers are divided on the move. The session will be held as several other states controlled by both Republicans and Democrats pursue or consider mid-decade redistricting to boost the controlling party's representation in the U.S. House. NBC News has this story, and there's a link in today's episode description. All right. Next up is our numbers section. The number of days until Maine's Senate primary on June 9, 2026 is 22. Grand Platner is 41 years old. Senator Susan Collins is 72 years old,

and Governor Janet Mills is 77 years old. Collins' margin of victory in Maine's 2020 Senate election was 8.6%. Mill's margin of victory in Maine's 2022 gubernatorial election was 13.3%. Platner's campaign contributions to date total $3,248,670. According to a University of New Hampshire poll released on October 23rd,

58% of likely Maine primary voters say they will support Platner and 24% say they will support Mills. And according to a SoCal Strategies poll conducted between October 21st and 25th, 36% of likely main primary voters say they will support Platner, while 41% say they will support Mills. And last but not least, R have a nice day story.

Sequoia Park Zoo is California's oldest zoo, but it's still experiencing some firsts. Earlier this month, an employee discovered a wild black bear interacting with the zoo's black bears through their enclosures fencing. The wild bear went nose-to-nose with its counterparts, making what zoo staff called introductions. The entire episode was friendly, and the bear was eventually drawn out of the zoo and sent back into the wild. How exactly the bear managed to enter the zoo, which is surrounded by an eight-foot-tall fence topped with barbed wire, remains a mystery. The New York Times has this story, and there's a link in today's episode description. All right, everybody, that is it for today's episode.

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