Tangle - The Israel-Hamas hostage negotiations.

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Starting point is 00:01:05 your pharmacist or doctor about getting a flu shot. Consider FluCellVax Quad and help protect yourself from the flu. It's the first cell-based flu vaccine authorized in Canada for ages six months and older, and it may be available for free in your province. Side effects and allergic reactions can occur, and 100% protection is not guaranteed. Learn more at flucellvax.ca. From executive producer Isaac Saul, this is Tangle. Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening, and welcome to the Tangle Podcast, the place we get views from across the political spectrum, some independent thinking, and a little bit of my take. I'm your host, Isaac Saul, and on today's episode, we are going to be talking about the Israel-Hamas hostage negotiations. We're going to be sharing some views from the pro-Palestine and

Starting point is 00:02:05 pro-Israel sides in this conflict. It is Thursday, January 25th. Tomorrow in our newsletter, I'm going to be publishing something about my trip to Bolivia. I was off last week or not off, kind of on off last week out of the podcast for sure. Quite a few people wrote in and asked me to write about my experience, which I was glad to do because it was a super fun and interesting trip. And so I've been working on that for the Friday edition this week. So if you want to get that, become a Tangle subscriber on our newsletter. Also, we are going to continue doing some stuff to beef up the podcast here for all you podcast listeners. Ari and I are scheduled to record again tomorrow, hoping to have something

Starting point is 00:02:52 out for you over the weekend to kind of wrap up the week, in which we'll also talk a little bit about that trip, I'm sure, and then talk about what's going on in our coverage, some of the latest from this week, etc. We're working on some big guests for the podcast we're super excited about. So lots of really good stuff coming. Before we jump in with today's episode, let's kick it off with some quick hits. First up, the United Auto Workers endorsed President Biden for re-election after holding out for months over concerns about his electric vehicles policies. Number two, a Russian military transport plane crashed yesterday, killing 74 people, including 65 Ukrainian prisoners of war

Starting point is 00:03:38 en route to a prisoner exchange. Ukrainian officials did not confirm the report, and Russia accuses Ukraine of shooting the plane down. Number three, Ohio lawmakers overrode Republican Governor Mike DeWine's veto of legislation banning gender reassignment surgery, puberty blockers, and hormone therapy for minors. The legislation also bars transgender women from women's sports. We covered the initial veto in a past podcast, and there is a link to that coverage in today's episode description. Number four, Jon Stewart announced his return to The Daily Show and will reportedly host Monday night episodes beginning on February 12th. Number five, Obamacare enrollment is surging across the United States, especially in Republican-led states, hitting new all-time highs. Tonight, Israeli officials telling NBC News they've proposed a two-month stop in fighting in exchange for the release of all remaining hostages inside of Gaza.

Starting point is 00:04:42 The proposal, coming just hours after the families of those hostages stormed Israeli parliament demanding action and as fighting in southern Gaza intensifies. National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby says the US is in serious discussions now about trying to get another pause in fighting between Israel and Hamas trying to secure the release of the remaining hostages. There were reports that there are conversations about a potential two month pause in the fighting between Israel and Hamas in order to secure the release of all

Starting point is 00:05:12 the remaining hostages held in Gaza. That would also allow more aid to get into Gaza. This week, Israel and Hamas have been exchanging offers in their negotiations to enter a ceasefire and release the remaining hostages being held in Gaza. On Sunday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rejected an offer from Hamas to release the remaining 130 hostages being held in Gaza in exchange for a permanent end to the war and a total withdrawal of Israeli troops from Gaza that would leave Hamas in power. Israel countered with a proposal for a two-month pause in fighting in exchange for releasing the hostages still being held by Hamas. Hamas rejected that offer, though numerous news outlets cited sources who say both sides broadly agree in principle

Starting point is 00:05:55 that an exchange of Israeli hostages for Palestinian prisoners could take place during a month-long ceasefire, as Reuters explained. As part of their demands, Hamas has requested another prisoner release that includes some of the militants who attacked Israelis on October 7th. Negotiations between the two sides are being mediated by Qatar, Egypt, and the United States. On Wednesday, Brett McGurk, the top U.S. mediator for the Middle East, traveled to the region for more talks. In the more than three months since the October 7th attack, roughly 90% of Gaza's population has been displaced by Israel's air bombardment and ground invasion, and more than 25,000 Gazans have been killed, according to the Hamas-run health authorities. The Gaza Health Ministry does not distinguish between civilian and fighter

Starting point is 00:06:39 casualties, nor does it distinguish between deaths from Israeli airstrikes and failed launches from inside Gaza. International groups have largely affirmed the Gaza Health Ministry's estimates. Over the last week, around 151 Gazans were being killed every day, according to an analysis done by the New York Times. That same analysis shows the number of Gazans being killed each day has dropped by nearly half in the last month. The number of dead who are civilians also remains unclear as international agencies try to verify the death toll. Gazan officials have suggested that more than 70% of the victims killed have been civilians, including more than 10,000 children. One study by an Israeli sociologist estimated that 61% of those killed in Gaza are civilians.

Starting point is 00:07:21 The IDF says it has killed more than 10,000 members of Hamas since the offensive began, and another 1,000 were killed on October 7th. Tomorrow, the United Nations top court is expected to offer a ruling on South Africa's charges that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, which could include interim orders for a ceasefire. On Monday, Israel suffered its largest single-day death toll in the fighting when 21 Israeli soldiers were killed in an explosion, bringing the total killed to 24 in a single day. Their deaths and the fact Israelis are being held hostage inside Gaza has ramped up domestic pressure on the Israeli war cabinet to get the hostages home. Families of the hostages being

Starting point is 00:08:00 held in Gaza stormed the Israeli parliament this week and demanded their release. A recent poll by the Israel Democracy Institute found that while over half of the country is dissatisfied with the war cabinet, a majority of Israelis oppose releasing thousands of Palestinian prisoners held by Israel in exchange for the remaining 130 hostages in the Gaza Strip. A poll from mid-December in Gaza found support for Hamas has gone up among Palestinians since the war began, as has support for armed resistance, including attacks like the one on October 7th. Hamas has continued to fire rockets into Israel from Gaza throughout Israel's invasion, including 25 rockets being fired from northern Gaza into Israel last week. The conflict has also spread throughout the region, with U.S. and Israeli forces

Starting point is 00:08:43 exchanging attacks with the Houthi rebels in Yemen, Hezbollah in Lebanon, and Iran-backed forces in Iraq and Syria. Today, we're going to take a look at some arguments about how the negotiations in this war should proceed. Rather than break the voices up into left and right, we're going to examine some arguments through the pro-Palestine and pro-Israel voices than my take. We'll be right back after this quick commercial break. Are you looking to unlock new meaning in your life in under five minutes a week? Meet Profit Plus, a new newsletter that explores three concepts that can be seemingly at odds with one another, attaining personal development with vast financial success, all leaving an authentic impact on the world. It's one of our favorite sources for innovative perspectives on the world's most pressing issues

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Starting point is 00:10:33 Others implore the U.S. and Israeli governments to exert their vast influence and work more urgently toward a solution. The Jerusalem Post editorial board wrote about balancing bringing hostages home with Hamas's destruction. A premature end to the war will leave a battered Hamas still intact and able to recover and regain its stranglehold on Gaza and the Palestinians it has held hostage since 2006. And that's something Israel can't live with, the board said. The families of the hostages and their supporters are perfectly justified and correct in their ongoing protests and calls for a ceasefire and a deal to bring their loved ones home. Anyone with a family member who has been cruelly held captive for more than three months should be demanding action and

Starting point is 00:11:15 accountability from their government. The problem is a significant breach of trust regarding Netanyahu's motives among a large population segment, the board said. But despite the change at the helm or within the coalition's makeup, the next prime minister would almost certainly adopt the same policy as Netanyahu. No withdrawal from Gaza and a continuation of fighting until Hamas is no longer in charge. The IDF must be given time to carry out that mission in Gaza, but time is running out regarding the hostages. In PJ Media, Rabbi Michael Barclay criticized the potential deal as an Israel peace plan to destroy Israel. The outline of this plan is simple. One, Israel would release Palestinian felons currently in prison in Israel. Two, Israel

Starting point is 00:11:58 would retreat entirely out of Gaza. Three, Israel would leave Hamas as the governing body of Gaza. Four, Hamas will gradually release hostages, Barclay wrote. In other would leave Hamas as the governing body of Gaza. Four, Hamas will gradually release hostages, Barclay wrote. In other words, Hamas's actions of October 7th of rape, murder, and kidnapping would be justified on every level, and Israel would make itself vulnerable for another October 7th. This proposal de facto endorses Hamas's evils and the depravities they committed. It is sad that the United States would be part of putting forward such a deal, but not surprising given Secretary of State Antony Blinken's words and actions over the last few weeks. He seems unaware or in complete denial that this type of

Starting point is 00:12:36 proposal would be a prelude to more attacks and horrors perpetrated on Israel, Barclay said. We must be honest. This proposal that the U.S. has chosen to support caters to those who want to caliphate theocracy and are committed to the destruction of Israel. In USA Today, Ruby Chen called for the U.S. to exert more pressure on Hamas to release the hostages, including his son. Every day has been a living nightmare. I wake up not knowing where my son slept last night, whether he was given any food or water, whether he's been injured. We don't even know if he is alive, Chen wrote. Now, as we are past the 100-day mark, we are in shock. Our loved ones are U.S. citizens, backed by the most powerful superpower on the planet, and we are at the almost same place we were when we started this nightmare. Every day my son doesn't come home is a day where I have failed, but even more so every day the hostages are stuck underground without enough

Starting point is 00:13:29 oxygen, food, or water is a day all our political leaders, from President Biden to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, have failed, Chen said. The United States is the richest and most powerful nation in the world, with immense financial, military, and political leverage. How is it that other countries, such as as Russia and Thailand have secured the release of their citizens while only four Americans have been freed to date? All right, that is it for what the pro-Israel side is saying, which brings us to the pro-Palestine side. Palestinians and supporters of a ceasefire think Israel must make sacrifices to bring the hostages home and stop the violence in Gaza. Some say Hamas has long tried to negotiate with Israel

Starting point is 00:14:17 for peace, but their offers are always rebuffed. Others say Palestinians in Gaza should call for the release of Israeli hostages. In Arab news, Dania Kolalat-Khatib argued that the time is right for Israel to negotiate. Israel does not seem to have any plan. It is simply bombing and bombing. It is behaving like a gambler who keeps losing but keeps on doubling down, hoping they will win it all back at some point in time. Israel keeps on losing. It is losing its soldiers. It is losing its social cohesion, as the hostages' families are angry that the government is prioritizing its own survival over getting their loved ones back home. It is losing its international standing, Khatib said. Is it not time to listen? Is it not time to be realistic? Israel should withdraw from the Strip.

Starting point is 00:15:01 A prisoner exchange should take place, a multinational force should take control of Gaza, and a government of technocrats should be responsible for the Strip's civilian administration. If a force that is viewed as legitimate takes control of Gaza, and if basic services are provided, then this will help dry out the social incubator that is fueling Hamas, Khatib wrote. Unfortunately, Netanyahu is still delusional. He thinks he has room to maneuver, but he does not. Now is the time to negotiate. Breaking news happens anywhere, anytime. Police have warned the protesters repeatedly, get back.

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Starting point is 00:16:05 Last season, over 102,000 influenza cases have been reported across Canada, which is nearly double the historic average of 52,000 cases. What can you do this flu season? Talk to your pharmacist or doctor about getting a flu shot. Consider FluCellVax Quad and help protect yourself from the flu. It's the first cell-based flu vaccine authorized in Canada for ages six months and older, and it may be available for free in your province. Side effects and allergic reactions can occur, and 100% protection is not guaranteed. Learn more at flucellvax.ca. In Al Jazeera, Zina Al-Tahan said Netanyahu's refusal to accept the hostage deal is the latest in a long history of Hamas proposals for long-term truces that Israel has rejected.

Starting point is 00:16:46 In 2017, Hamas revised its original 1988 charter to recognize, in effect, a two-state solution, and therefore the existence of Israel as a legitimate entity. This, even as Israel insists it can no longer allow Hamas to exist, and as Israeli politicians led by Netanyahu have ruled out a two-state solution, Altahan wrote. A look into the history of Hamas among Palestine's most popular resistant fronts suggests that its political leadership has, over the years, proposed numerous long-term truces or ceasefires to Israel in exchange for the realization of a sovereign, independent Palestinian state. After Hamas won the 2006 elections in Gaza, its leader said the group

Starting point is 00:17:25 accepted a state on the 1967 borders and all the decisions taken by the Palestinian Authority and the Palestine Liberation Organization, but there were no takers, Al-Tan said. Hamas's offers were repeatedly dismissed by Israel and ignored by its Western allies, including the United States, despite Washington's claims of playing the role of an honest broker in the conflict. In Newsweek, Hamza Hawiri from Gaza City wrote, My fellow Gazans, we must demand the release of the Israeli hostages. If we don't speak out about the atrocities Hamas has committed, if we don't speak up on behalf of the Israeli hostages, we are allowing Hamas to paint the entire population of Gaza as a group of terrorists who celebrated Hamas's crimes. If we don't speak up, Hamas is able to falsely portray us as complicit, as cheering on their filmed atrocities, Ha'ad said. Don't ignore

Starting point is 00:18:16 Hamas's Israeli hostages like you ignored Hamas's Palestinian hostages. And don't forget that Gaza is still full of innocent Hamas hostages who are Palestinians. When far-right Israeli politicians call for collectively punishing the entire population of Gaza for Hamas' actions, they're proving Hamas right. I pray and call for the release of all hostages, as I hope for my city to be free from terrorism. I beg the international community to recognize the plight of the Israeli hostages, and I beg the Israelis to recognize that their kidnapped brothers and sisters have joined us Palestinians in being Hamas's victims. We should all join in the calls for the IDF to stop its bombardment of areas crowded with civilians and call for the immediate release of the hostages taken by Hamas.

Starting point is 00:19:14 All right, that is it for the pro-Israel and pro-Palestine voices, which brings us to my take. So over the last few years, we've had to cover a number of different prisoner exchanges, from Brittany Griner to the Iran prisoner swap, all the way to the first exchange in this war. In each of those issues, I've said something along the lines of, I don't envy the position of the leaders who are responsible for making these choices. In a vacuum, it is extraordinarily complicated to put a value on the freedom of your own citizens versus the freedom of another country's citizens. It is made far more complicated when the hostages are chess pieces in a war, where the prisoners to be exchanged recently committed acts of violence against your people, citizens. It is made far more complicated when the hostages are chess pieces in a war, where the prisoners to be exchanged recently committed acts of violence against your people,

Starting point is 00:19:53 where the actors on the other side don't seem trustworthy. All these circumstances are present here. And of all the exchanges we've looked at, this one is by far the most complicated, yet it isn't actually hard for me to draw my ideal scenario. Hamas looks around at the devastation its October 7th attack has brought on its people, and it decides it made a huge miscalculation. It looks at the roughly 10,000 dead of its own fighters and decides its war against a far superior military adversary is feckless. It decides to release all the prisoners and cede control of the Strip to an international coalition, knowing its stated goal of a Palestinian state and freedom for Gazans is impossible with it in control. That new coalition allows Israel to withdraw from its ground invasion and cease its bombing campaign.

Starting point is 00:20:34 Resources flood into Gaza for the civilians who just lost their family members, homes, and way of life. As the Gazan rebuild begins, Netanyahu is removed from power for his failure to lead and protect Israel on nearly every level, and the last four months serve as a launching point for a new peace process with fresh vigor to find a long-term, non-violent solution to this conflict. It's easy to root for all of that. What's far more difficult is imagining a realistic way any of that happens. The negotiations here highlight something I've mentioned in my past writing but doesn't get enough attention. Hamas has choices, too. I'm glad to see the many Palestinian voices who continue to speak up about the fact that Hamas's primary victims are the Palestinian people and the Gazans living under their rule. Even before October 7th, Hamas could have looked around at when nearly 20 years of its leadership had wrought on the Gaza Strip and decided it was time for some new elections. Post-October 7th, that's even more true.

Starting point is 00:21:31 They say they want peace and they have an offer to get it. Let the hostages go. Instead, even after thousands of Palestinian prisoners have been released, after tens of thousands of their own people have been killed, they push for the most objectionable and non-starter terms possible. Israel could never tolerate releasing the same militants who just launched the attack on October 7th. At the same time, it seems impossible for Israel to ignore the failures of its own military campaign. After Hamas committed the atrocities of October 7th, there were a wide range of options on the board. I acknowledge that none of them were good, but recent history illustrates the other options Israel had. A great example comes from 2008, when 10 Pakistani terrorists killed over 174 people in India and injured more than 300 in a series of attacks on

Starting point is 00:22:16 hotels, cafes, and train stations. Public outrage in India demanded the government respond with force. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's government deliberated and determined that attacking terrorist camps on Pakistani territory risked more death, more destabilization, and more terrorism. Instead, the government exercised restraint. Sixteen years later, Foreign Affairs summarizes what the decision got them, quote, Instead, New Delhi responded to the terrorist atrocity in Mumbai through diplomatic and covert channels. In public, the country chose restraint, not revenge. That decision brought India international support, prevented a potentially catastrophic war, minimized civilian casualties, and arguably prevented more terrorism. At least so far, India has not experienced another Pakistani

Starting point is 00:23:02 back attack with mass casualties on Indian soil. Of course, the India-Pakistan tension and the Israeli-Palestinian tension are not one-to-one comparisons, but the tactical difference is instructive. Between what Benjamin Netanyahu chose and what Manmohan Singh chose were a wide range of possibilities. Israel picked a massive show of force that was intended to dismantle Hamas and create deterrence. In other words, make the response so big and bad that nobody dares attack Israel again. The results of this campaign have been the opposite, though, hardening opposition against Israel and Gaza and drawing condemnation from the global community.

Starting point is 00:23:38 Thousands of Hamas fighters have died, and there's no doubt that Israel is doing serious damage to Hamas infrastructure in Gaza. But thousands more civilians have died too. Gaza is now in shambles, with civilian infrastructure across the country destroyed, guaranteeing long-term chaos and the necessity for international aid in the Strip. Support for Hamas across the Palestinian territories is either rising notably or skyrocketing, depending on the pole. Israel's image globally is deteriorating fast, and it now faces charges of genocide in an international court. Rather than deter its enemies, the war has emboldened them, with attacks on Israeli and U.S. troops escalating across the region. The Houthis, Hezbollah, Iran, and U.S. proxies throughout the Middle East are

Starting point is 00:24:21 now involved. Meanwhile, Hamas continues to fire rockets into Israel, demonstrating as clearly as possible that this offensive has not deterred them. And on top of all that, hundreds of Israeli soldiers have died in the fighting. To me, Israelis appear quite obviously less safe today than they were on October 8th. All of that should be enough motivation to change course, and I hope the Israeli government does. Whether it requires a months-long ceasefire or a total withdrawal or a pause in fighting to get the hostages home, I think Israel should negotiate a deal. From a domestic perspective, bringing home the remaining hostages safely would be a massive, unifying victory for Israel, a light in the darkness. Internationally, it would emphasize what Hamas has done and the hostages it held and the choices it had all along, and it would help remind the global community

Starting point is 00:25:09 about the organization they are dealing with. In Gaza, the pause in fighting would give a real opportunity for peace. The situation on the ground continues to be beyond words. Every day that Palestinians have to experience more death and destruction and horror is another day they'll be pushed further toward adopting the violent resistance Hamas wants that population committed to. According to the IDF, Hamas has already taken massive losses, both in battleground casualties and in the range of their infrastructure that has been destroyed. The message has been sufficiently sent, and every day that Israel continues its war only isolates them further. Israel's only red line should be releasing any Hamas militants who participated in the attack on October 7th, but it should otherwise be pursuing

Starting point is 00:25:50 all options. Any deal to stop this spate of bombing and fighting on the ground, something Israel should be focused on doing at this point anyway, given its multi-dimensional failures, and to get the remaining hostages home alive, seems like a win-win from where I'm sitting. We'll be right back after this quick break. All right, that is it for my take. We are skipping today's reader questions since MyTake got pretty long, but a quick reminder that if you want to get tomorrow's newsletter, make sure you go to readtangle.com forward slash membership and become a member. Next up is our Under the Radar section. Arizona's GOP chair Jeff DeWitt resigned on Wednesday after a recording surfaced in which he offered Carrie Lake a job from, quote, very powerful people, end quote, in exchange for

Starting point is 00:26:51 her staying out of the 2024 Senate race. Lake, a controversial candidate who is expected to glide to the Republican nomination, is viewed by many in the Republican Party as a weak general election candidate. She apparently recorded a conversation she had with DeWitt about her options. DeWitt said the recording was selectively edited and that it was not an act of bribery or coercion, but a transparent conversation intended to offer perspective on her options. He accused Lake of orchestrating the conversation to hurt him and take control of the party. Axios has the story and there's a link to it in today's episode description. Next up is our numbers section. The number of hostages taken by Hamas who have died in captivity is now 25, according to Israel. The percentage of Israeli Jews who say continuing the intensive

Starting point is 00:27:39 fighting in Gaza and using IDF forces to free the hostages is the best way to secure the hostages' release is 65%, according to a December 2023 poll from the Israel Democracy Institute. The percentage of Israeli Jews who say releasing all Palestinian prisoners is the best way to secure the hostages' release is just 16%. The approximate number of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails is now 8,000. Of those 8,000, the number serving life sentences for killing Israelis is 559. The percentage of Israelis who said lasting peace between Israel and Palestine will never be achieved in a 2017 Gallup poll was 51%. The percentage who say that now is 74%.

Starting point is 00:28:22 The percentage of Israelis who say they support Benjamin Netanyahu's liquid party as of January 18th, 2024, is just 16%. All right, and last but not least, our have a nice day story. Jeffrey Holt lived a simple life as the caretaker of a mobile home park in Hiddensdale, New Hampshire. He seemed to have what he wanted, but he didn't want much, said Edwin Smokey Smith, Holt's best friend and former employer. Holt died last year and left all the money he had, $3.8 million, to the town of Hinsdale. I don't think anyone had any idea that he was that successful, said Steve DiIorio, the chairperson of the town's select board, who'd occasionally wave at Holt from

Starting point is 00:29:05 his car. Smith recalled that Holt had told him that his investments were doing better than he had ever expected, to which Smith replied to remember the town. I was sort of dumbfounded when I found out that all of it went to the town, he said. The town has not yet decided how to utilize the money, which is currently in an interest-earning foundation. The Uplift has a story, and there's a link to it in today's episode description. All right, everybody, that is it for today's podcast. As always, if you want to give us some feedback or hit us up, you can find me, Isaac, I-S-A-A-C,

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