Tangle - The Nobel Peace Prize debate.

Episode Date: October 15, 2025

Last Friday, the Norwegian Nobel Committee announced the Nobel Prize winners for 2025. Each year, the committee chooses six recipients of its prestigious award for advancements in the fields of physics, chemistry, medicine, literature, economics, and peace. This year’s Peace Prize recipient was María Corina Machado, one of the leaders of the opposition in Venezuela and founder of the center-right party Vente Venezuela.Ad-free podcasts are here!To listen to this podcast ad-free, and to enjoy our subscriber only premium content, go to ReadTangle.com to sign up!You can read today's podcast⁠ ⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠, our “Under the Radar” story ⁠here and today’s “Have a nice day” story ⁠here⁠.Take the survey: What do you think of Machado winning the Nobel Peace Prize? Let us know.Disagree? That's okay. My opinion is just one of many. Write in and let us know why, and we'll consider publishing your feedback.You can subscribe to Tangle by clicking here or drop something in our tip jar by clicking here. Our Executive Editor and Founder is Isaac Saul. Our Executive Producer is Jon Lall.This podcast was written by: Will Kaback and edited and engineered by Dewey Thomas. Music for the podcast was produced by Diet 75.Our newsletter is edited by Managing Editor Ari Weitzman, Senior Editor Will Kaback, Lindsey Knuth, Kendall White, Bailey Saul, and Audrey Moorehead. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Visit medcan.com slash moments to get started. from executive producer isaac saul this is tangle good morning good afternoon and good evening and welcome to the tangle across the political spectrum some independent thinking and a little bit of my take I'm your host, Isaac Sal, and on today's episode, we're going to be talking about the Nobel Peace Prize, who it was awarded to, the Trump of it all, and some really interesting commentary about this year's recipient, which is maybe a little bit more controversial of a story than people think or no. Interestingly, today also, we have another take, another my take from somebody who is not me. We're going to be doing more of this in the future. I want to include more voices from our team

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Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Isaac, and welcome everybody. Here are your quick hits for today. First up, President Donald Trump announced the U.S. military carried out a fifth confirmed strike against a boat allegedly trafficking drugs near Venezuela. Trump said six people were killed in the strike. Number two, Israel confirmed the identity of three additional hostages returned by Hamas but said a fourth body was not a hostage.

Israel says the bodies of 21 deceased hostages have not been returned. Number three, the Supreme Court declined a conservative media personality, Alex Jones's request, to hear his challenge to a lower court judgment requiring him to pay $1.4 billion for making false claims about the 2012 shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School. Number four, President Trump posthumously awarded conservative activist Charlie Kirk the Presidential Medal of Freedom in a ceremony at the White House. And number five, Argentine's president, Javier Millet, visited the White House, where he and President Donald Trump discussed the United States' efforts to stabilize the Argentinian economy.

Trump said that U.S. support would be contingent on Miele's party's performance in Argentina's midterm elections later this month. The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided to award the Nobel Peace Prize for 2025 to Maria Corina Machado. She is receiving the Nobel Peace Prize for her tireless work, promoting democratic rights for the people of Venezuela, and for her struggle to achieve a just and peaceful transition from dictatorship to democracy. Last Friday, the Norwegian Nobel Committee announced a Nobel Prize winner's for 2025.

Each year, the committee chooses six recipients of its prestigious award for advancements in the fields of physics, chemistry, medicine, literature, economics, and peace. This year's Peace Prize recipient was Maria Corrida Machado, one of the leaders of the opposition in Venezuela and founder of the center-right party, Vente Venezuela. In 2023, Machado announced her candidacy for president in the 2024 election and decisively won an opposition primary election, in which more than 2.4 million Venezuelans voting. However, Venezuela's highest court barred her from running over claims of financial impropriety as a national legislator. She then threw her support behind the opposition's alternative candidate Edmundo Gonzalez Uridia, who lost to incumbent Nicolas Maduro in an election that was deemed fraudulent by the United States, several Latin American countries, and international human rights organizations. We covered the Venezuelan election, and you can check that out with a link in

today's episode description. The Nobel Committee credited Machado for her tireless work, promoting democratic rights for the people of Venezuela and for her struggle to achieve a just and peaceful transition from dictatorship to democracy. However, the committee's decision has generated controversy. Machado has been criticized for recently advocating for non-peaceful means to depose Maduro,

saying that only a credible threat of international force could convince him to step down. Machado has also faced scrutiny for her friendly relationships with leaders like El Salvadorian president, Naï Boukele, Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro, and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Furthermore, Machado recently suggested that the U.S. should forcefully remove Maddo from power. The committee's decision has also drawn considerable attention

due to comments from the White House and President Donald Trump. The White House has claimed that the president has ended seven conflicts, and Trump said that it would be an insult to our country if he were not awarded this year's peace prize. Trump administration officials criticized the committee's decision, though President Trump acknowledged that the award primarily recognized actions from 2020. On Saturday, President Trump said that Machado had accepted the award in his honor in a private phone call, which the president called a very nice thing to do.

Machado also publicly dedicated the award to Trump, as well as the people of Venezuela. Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro responded to Machado's award by calling the opposition leader a demonic witch, and Venezuela closed its embassy in Norway on Monday as part of what it said was a reallocation of resources to the global south. Today, we'll cover what the right, left, and Latin American writers are saying about this year's Nobel Peace Prize. Then, senior editor Will Quebec will give his take. At Medcan, we know that life's greatest moments are built on a foundation of good health. Big milestones to the quiet winds. That's why our annual health assessment

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All right, first up, let's start with what the right is saying. The right mostly supports Machado's win and says Trump deserves the prize in 2026. Some worry that the award tacitly endorses military action against the Maduro regime. In the Washington Examiner, Christopher Tremotly wrote, No, Trump was not snubbed of the Nobel. Machado is a worthy recipient. What would you call a political activist who went head-to-head with a bloodthirsty, communist leader suspected of killing tens of thousands of people and viciously silenced opposition?

How would you describe a woman who stood up to a corrupt, brutal dictator who stole a country's presidential election and arrested citizens of his country who protested? In Venezuela, such a person is called Maria Corrina Machado, Tramogley said. Her peace prize will surely disappoint, even outright anger, many hoping that President Donald Trump would be named this year's Nobel Peace Prize recipient. However, Machado being named this year's winner should not be considered a slight. Trump has made monumental and groundbreaking achievements. However, they occurred within his first year, not his first 12 days. And unless there are rules to the process that the public is not aware of, these fantastic achievements don't really play into consideration for this

year's Nobel Peace Prize evaluation, Trevogly wrote. I would argue that people who are quick to denounce Machado winning the award are not familiar with her efforts in resisting the left-wing communist government of Nicolas Maduro. If they were, they might be more receptive to her win. one can objectively realize that Machado is a worthy recipient without disparaging her or dismissing her efforts because Trump was not declared the winner in 2025. In the American conservative, Joseph Addington said, The Walls are closing in on Maduro, and the Norwegians have made their own contribution. Not too long ago, the situation of Venezuelan's Iron Lady looked bleak.

Machado headed up the effort to oust current Venezuelan presidential strongman Nicolas Maduro democratically during the 2024 election, an effort that failed when the Venezuelan Electoral Commission blatantly falsified the results to secure yet another term for Maduro. The domestic protest movement, she headed up, also fizzled out after key opposition leaders were arrested, disappeared, or fled the country, Addington wrote. Now she's in hiding, coordinating the remaining resistance inside the country

and stumping outside the country for support via social media. Events are swinging Machado's way, and she has flexed her political talents to the utmost, most to steer them in her desired direction. The latest coup comes with her acquisition of a Nobel Peace Prize for showing that the tools of democracy are also the tools of peace, a description that may go down as one of the more ironic tributes, as Machado has been quick to turn her Peace Prize award into one more weapon of war, Addington said. Trump may already have a good case for the next award of the prize he covents, if his peace settlement in Gaza holds, but he may consider, not unreasonably,

that kicking a certain South American dictator out of office would be a very strong addition to his resume. All right, that is it for what the right is saying, which brings us to what the left is saying. The left is mixed on the award, with some saying Machado's resume does not suggest a commitment to peace. Others see her sustained activism in the face of persecution as worthy of the honor.

In common dreams, Michelle Elner argued, peace has no meaning when right-wingers like Maria Corina Machado win the Nobel Prize. Machado is the smiling face of Washington's regime-change machine, the spokesperson for sanctions, privatization, and foreign intervention dressed up as democracy, Elner wrote. Machado's politics are steeped in violence. She is called for foreign intervention, even appealing directly to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the architect of Gaza's annihilation, to help liberate Venezuela with bombs under the banner of France. freedom. She has demanded sanctions, that silent form of warfare whose effects have killed more people than more, cutting off medicine, food, and energy to entire populations. Machado was also one of the political architects of La Salida, the 2014 opposition campaign that called for escalated protests, including Guarimba tactics. Those weren't peaceful protests, as the foreign press claimed.

They were organized barricades meant to paralyze the country and forced a government's fall, Elner said. She praises Trump's decisive action against what she says. She praises Trump's decisive action against what she calls a criminal enterprise, aligning herself with the same man who cages migrant children and tears families apart under ICE's watch, while Venezuelan mothers search for their children disappeared by U.S. migration policies. In the Atlantic, Ann Applebaum said Machado deserved the Nobel Peace Prize. When announcing the award, the committee chair described her as a woman who kept the flame of democracy burning amidst a growing darkness, Applebaum wrote. This metaphor is apt. Machado is in hiding, deep inside a country that is

failing. I spoke with her twice late last year without knowing where she was. A few months before the country had just held presidential elections. The opposition movement that she leads had won. Even though activists were being picked up off the streets or simply shot and killed, they had held a primary, run a presidential campaign. Machado herself was barred, so Edmundo Gonzalez was the candidate, and made sure that the votes were counted accurately. Lately, Americans have been hearing little about Venezuela other than drugs and gangs, but the country has long been home to one of the world's most impressive grassroots democracy movements. At this moment, when citizens in many of the world's most successful liberal democracies are

giving up, even questioning whether popular participation in politics has any value, Venezuelans fight violence with nonviolence and oppose corruption through bravery, Albaugham said. Machado continues to be a fierce, uncompromising optimist. She founded an election monitoring group more than two decades ago. Since then, she has continued to argue that engagement matters and that change is possible. All right, that is it for what the right and the left are saying, which brings us to what Latin American writers are saying. Some Latin American writers celebrate Machado's

award, viewing it as a blow against Maduro. Others criticized Machado's decision to link her cause to Trump. As a note, the following excerpts were translated from Spanish to English. In El Nacional, Carlos Perez Arisa called the award a Nobel Prize for the coming piece. The committee wisely chose Maria Corina Machado as a symbol of people who have managed to resist at a very high cost the greatest tyranny ever imposed on Venezuelans by a narco-dictatorial regime sheltered by that spurious invention they call

21st century socialism, the very embodiment of great misery, Beres Arisa wrote. The award further legitimizes her and the citizen movement that voted against the narco regime. That faction in its final stages has maintained a sepulchral silence about the award. With the Caribbean maritime borders guarded by U.S. ships, they are being strangled by the loss of drug trafficking routes to the United States through the Sinaloa cartels. This prize also provides international support to the Venezuelan people's struggle for freedom, which MCM represents.

It sheds light on that horizon, closer now, where Venezuela may regain its democratic development, Bera Zerito wrote. It breathes life into the cause for justice to recover a path that the narco regime has ruthlessly defiled. Peace lies in the hands of Venezuelan civil society, represented by MCM, not in those of Maduro and his gang. As Machado has said, the only one responsible for what is happening here is Nicolaas Maduro, and he must choose, leave through negotiation or without negotiation, but he leaves. In El Universal, Adolfo Perez Esquival, recipient of the 1980 Nobel Peace Prize, published an open letter to Machado. I was surprised by your nomination of the Nobel Peace Prize by the Nobel Committee.

It reminded me of the struggles against dictatorships across our continent, and in my country under military regimes we endured from 1976 to 1983, Esquival wrote. In 1980, the Nobel Committee awarded me the Nobel Peace Prize. 45 years have passed, and we continue working in service of the poor and alongside the peoples of Latin America. I accepted this high distinction on behalf of all of them, not for the prize itself, but for the commitment it represents to share in the struggles and hopes of the people. At 94, I remain a student of life, and I am troubled by your social and political decisions.

I'm surprised at how you cling to the United States, and you must know that it has no allies or friends, only interests. The dictatorships imposed in Latin America were instruments of those interests of domination, destroying the social, cultural, and political life and organization of the people's fighting for their freedom and self-determination. We, the people, resist and fight for the right to be free and sovereign, not to be a colony of the United States, Esquival said. I'm concerned that you didn't dedicate the Nobel Prize to your people, but rather to the aggressor to Venezuela. I think, Corina, you need to reflect on and understand where you stand.

All right, let's head over to Will for his take. Hey, everybody. This is Senior Editor Will Kayback. jumping in here to read my take. First, let's address the president in the room. No matter how you feel about his qualifications, President Trump simply wasn't snubbed for the Peace Prize this year. The nomination period ended on January 31st,

less than two weeks into his second term. So the events of the past months weren't a part of the committee's considerations. Trump will have a strong case in 2026 if his Gaza peace plan results in a lasting ceasefire and progress toward rebuilding the strip. But we should remember, the agreement still has a long way to go to be considered a total achievement. The Biden administration, of course, also secured the release of 50 Israeli hostages

under a ceasefire deal negotiated in 2023, but that deal, along with another in January of this year, eventually collapsed. Now, candidly, I felt pretty indifferent about all of the Trump-inspired furor leading up to the prize announcement. While a Nobel Peace Prize is, of course, a major achievement for,

the recipient, its impact typically doesn't extend outside their immediate circle. And the prize also has a checkered history, having recognized people like Henry Kissinger, who contributed more to global disorder than peace, and Yasser Arafat, who led the Palestinian Liberation Organization in support of terrorism in the past. This year, however, the Nobel Committee's decision to honor Maria Karina Machado feels conspicuous, given the backdrop of rising U.S. aggression toward Venezuela. Machado's nomination is understandably controversial, and it certainly surprised me. The opposition leader's current position between the Maduro and Trump administrations actually indicates the opposite of a person working toward peace.

Machado has tacitly endorsed the Trump administration's military actions against alleged drug traffickers in Venezuela, and even suggested the U.S. should go further. Quote, the regime in Venezuela is a criminal structure, she told the BBC last week. Quote, we need the international community to cut those flows that are not only used for corruption, but also for repression, violence, and terror, end quote. She's also said Venezuelan President Nicholas Maduro won't agree to leave power unless there is, quote, a credible threat, and claimed, quote, you cannot have peace without freedom, and you cannot have freedom without strength, end quote.

Combine these statements with her effusive praise for President Trump after she won the award, and she evidently wants the U.S. to continue its military buildup around Venezuela, which could quickly spiral into open war. But again, the Nobel Committee is rewarding Machado for her actions in 2024, and in that time frame, she's a worthy recipient. After Venezuela's highest court banned her from running for president on clearly dubious grounds, she remained a visible figure in the race, campaigning alongside her replacement and de facto stand in,

and continuing to speak out against the abuses of the Maduro regime. As the Nobel Committee noted, she not only unified a previously fractured opposite, movement, but also activated and trained hundreds of thousands of volunteers to ensure an accurate vote count. Even when Maduro manipulated the results, which is still an allegation we should note, Machado's movement ensured that all the international community had ample proof that the outcome was fraudulent. She did all this in the face of constant threats, which eventually forced her into hiding after the election. This kind of perseverance and bravery are exactly what the Nobel Peace Prize should honor. It's hard to fault her actions in recent months, too.

Remember what she's up against. Maduro leads a repressive government that is overseeing a protracted humanitarian crisis and a lengthy record of human rights abuses. The vast majority of Venezuelans live in poverty, and millions have fled the country since Maduro came to power. Arbitrary detention for protesting against the government is common, and the United Nations has documented repeated instances of the state torturing perceived political opponents. Peace, then, is impossible in Venezuela with Maduro in charge.

Machado knows this, as do millions of Venezuelans who voted for change in 2024, but had their voices silenced. Machado's critics and contemporaries have certainly raised reasonable objections to her recent strategy of inviting military pressure from the U.S., but consider the situation from her perspective. It's hard to democratically reform an autocratic government and impossible to vote out a dictator. When you zoom out, this year's award has an unfortunate irony. The loudest campaigner for the Peace Prize, and its actual recipient may be bringing their two countries to the brink of war.

Members of the Trump administration are reportedly considering military strikes within Venezuela, which could eventually lead to U.S. boots on the ground. And it may go without saying, but that would be calamitous for Venezuela and the United States. military intervention may succeed in removing Maduro, but it risks seriously destabilizing the country and the region. As some analysts have noted, this move would likely drive Latin American countries to bolster their ties with China while worsening humanitarian conditions in the whole region. As some analysts have noted, this move would likely drive Latin American countries to bolster their ties to China while worsening humanitarian conditions in the entire region. Remember, too, the U.S. has tried regime change in Latin America before, and the results have largely been disastrous.

These actions have often hurt democratic efforts and the economies of Latin American countries, and in the cases of Chile and Brazil, U.S. involvement led to an even more brutal leader coming to power. Just to level set here, the outlook for Venezuelans is truly bleak. The status quo under Maduro is untenable, but U.S. intervention is likely to make the situation worse. The country doesn't have any good options, but I think the best path forward is to recommit to the idea that earned Machado a Nobel Peace Prize, that the determination of the Venezuelan people will eventually win out. The U.S. can and should offer support for Machado and for movement, of course, but there are other tools than the sword. Targeted sanctions against senior officials and corrupt actors, coordinated diplomatic pressure, and direct humanitarian assistance are just a few. But the inescapable reality, to me, is that genuine change will have to come from within Venezuela, even if that change comes at a high price and on an uncertain timeline. I realize all of this is completely aspirational.

As I began writing this take, the news broke of a fifth confirmed U.S. strike against an alleged drug boat near Venezuela, and President Trump has yet to waver from his current course. I expect we'll see more boat strikes and threats against Maduro in the days and weeks ahead. For now, the twisted irony of Machado's victory is that the added legitimacy offered through the Nobel Peace Prize could actually increase the odds of a direct U.S. Venezuela confrontation. All right, that is it for my take today. I will send it back over to Isaac for our audience question and the rest of the pod. Isaac, back to you. We'll be right back after this quick break.

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at Medcan.com slash moments to get started. All right, that is it for Will's my take. Very well written. I actually agree. You know, we always have staff to Sanson, but I'm pretty aligned with Will on this one. I think I would have argued it similarly as he did. Maybe a tiny bit more skeptical of Machado,

but mostly the same. which brings us to your questions answered. This one is from Sherry in Columbus, Ohio. Sherry said, is Qatar having an Air Force base in the U.S. as unprecedented as the media is making it seem? To other countries have similar arrangements on U.S. soil. Okay, so the headlines certainly grabbed our attention too. CNN said U.S. announces it will allow Qatar to build an Air Force facility in Idaho.

A Qatari Air Force base on U.S. soil? With the stories about President Trump accepting an Air Force one jet from Qatar and Middle East envoy Steve Whitkoff reportedly wooing Qatari investors while mediating the Israel-Gaza deal, it certainly seems off. That's all to say that we also initially responded with skepticism, but further details make the news seem a little less alarming than 150-character push notification might imply. To your question directly, this arrangement is not unprecedented. It's not very common, but it is far from unique. First, the Idaho facility that Secretary of Defense Pete Hegsef announced over the weekend is not a Qatari Air Force base. It is a training facility. The U.S. often trains military personnel from other nations, and our Air Force has trained pilots from NATO countries, like the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, and Germany for decades. Secondly, these arrangements have not been limited to NATO countries, and the deal to train pilots is part of an existing agreement. Qatar recently purchased an F-15 squadron from the U.S. and the two sides mutually selected Idaho for a training facility because the topography in the area, the 366th fighter wing operates in Mountain Home, Idaho is actually quite similar to Qatar's, which is kind of a cool, interesting fact. Additionally, Singaporean pilots already trained out of the Mountain Home

facilities, so this kind of thing's happening. Third, and finally, the U.S. military has trained pilots from Middle Eastern allies in the U.S. before. In 2016, the Air Force trained Israeli pilots for the F-35 in Luke Air Force Base in Arizona. If there is something novel here, it's that the U.S. is training pilots from an Arabic nation on U.S. soil, though even that is not a genuine first. Saudi pilots have graduated from U.S. military programs.

This all might explain some of the reaction to the news. Still, I would say the story is probably not the bombshell that it might have seemed to be, even to me, right when it came out. All right, that is it for your questions answered. I'm going to send it back to John for the rest of the pod. and I'll see you guys tomorrow. Have a good one. Peace. All right, here's your under-the-radar story for today, folks.

At least 30 news organizations have declined to sign a new Pentagon press policy that asks journalists to acknowledge that they may lose access and be labeled a security risk if they solicit classified information and some types of unclassified information from department employees. Both right and left-leaning outlets have refused to acknowledge the policy, including the Associated Press, Bloomberg News, the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, CNN, Fox News, and Newsmax. Furthermore, on Tuesday, all five major broadcast networks issued a joint statement saying the policy is without precedent and threatens

core journalistic protections. Reuters, which also refused to sign, has this story, and you can check it out with a link in today's episode description. All right, next up is our numbers section. 1901 was the year the first Nobel Peace Prize was awarded. The Nobel Peace Prize has been awarded 106 times in the prize's history. It's been approximately 440 days since Maria Corrina Machado went into hiding following Venezuela's 2024 election. Machado was elected to Venezuela's National Assembly in 2010.

Machado was removed from the National Assembly in 2014, following her speech to the Organization of American States in Peru. According to an October 9th, U-Gov poll, 25% of U.S. adults say that President Donald Trump did deserve the 2025 Nobel Peace Prize, while 58% of U.S. adults say he did not deserve it. And last but not least, our Have a Nice Day story. About 25 years ago, Manolo Betancourt emigrated from Colombia to the United States to attend college, then created an unusual way to support people in his community. Betancourt moved to Charlotte, North Carolina in 2005, and O.

a bakery, which he says is the oldest immigrant Latino bakery in the Carolinas. For the past 12 years, in addition to serving his regular customers, he's partnered with Raise You Up Ministries to deliver free birthday cakes to the homeless population in the city. To me, that was the coolest idea ever, because nobody thinks about their birthdays, Betancourt said. This year, his bakery delivered its 300th free cake through the cherry. Today has this story, and there's a link in today's episode description. All right, everybody, that is it for today's episode. As always, if you'd like to support our work, please go to reetangle.com, where you can

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