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Starting point is 00:01:00 From executive producer Isaac Saul, this is Tangle. Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening, and welcome to the Tangle podcast, the place we get views from across the political spectrum, some independent thinking, and a little bit of my take. I'm your host, Isaac Saul, and on today's episode, we're going to be talking about the NPR controversy, a little bit about Uri Berliner, what he did, what came of it, and my take on all the fallout from this essay that he wrote in the Free Press, which if you haven't heard about, we're going to explain. Before we jump in, I want to give a quick heads up reminder that in case you missed it on Sunday, Ari and I sat down on the podcast to talk about the behind the scenes

Starting point is 00:01:55 experience of going to this TED Talk in Vancouver. And then we reflected on the live event in New York City before sharing a full recording of the entire live event. So if you go back a couple episodes on our podcast page, you will find that Sunday podcast with the full recording of the New York City live event. And if you're interested in that, which I know many of you were, we got a lot of questions about how to listen to the event or tune in. It is now up. It is live with a little bit of a 30-minute intro chat between me and Ari about all the crazy stuff that happened in Tangle World last week. So I encourage you to go listen to that. Also, before we jump in, I want to give a quick heads up that we're going to do something a little different today. We're going to mix John and I's voice on the podcast.

Starting point is 00:02:42 This is something we might experiment with going forward. So if you have thoughts about it, shoot me an email at Isaac, I S A A C at readtangle.com or write to John, J O N at readtangle.com. The idea is that we're going to try and delineate a bit between my take and the other things we're sharing in the podcast. So our thought is maybe we'll have John read the bulk of the podcast and I'll just do the my take section. And this will give more than one voice on the podcast, which we think will make it a little more interesting. And it'll also make it clear, you know, what is my take and what isn't for people who might be new to Tangle. And we just think it's going to make the whole thing a little bit better, but we're going to try it out today.

Starting point is 00:03:24 This is just an experiment and we're curious what our listeners think about it. So if you have thoughts strongly one way or the other, feel free to write in and let us know. So without further ado, I'm going to pass it off to John for the quick hits and our main story, and you'll hear from me for the My Take section. Thank you, Isaac, and welcome, everybody. Here are today's quick hits. First up, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken urged Hamas to accept Israel's latest ceasefire proposal, which calls for the release of hostages. Separately, Israel expressed concern that the International Criminal Court could issue arrest warrants for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and senior Israeli officials. Number two, Hunter Biden is threatening to sue Fox News for defamation, exploitation, and unlawful publication of

Starting point is 00:04:15 hacked photos for stories related to his laptop. Number three, the largest nuclear power plant in the U.S. put two new reactors into commercial operation in Georgia yesterday after a much-delayed 15-year expansion. Number four, the Supreme Court declined to hear Elon Musk's appeal over a settlement that required the Securities and Exchange Commission to vet his social media posts. Number five, four officers were killed and four others were wounded while serving an arrest warrant in North Carolina. And number six, this just in, former President Donald Trump was fined $9,000 and held in contempt of court for violating a gag order in his hush money trial. drama is unfolding at npr national public radio as its senior business editor editor yuri berliner published an article titled quote i've been at npr for 25 years here's how we lost

Starting point is 00:05:17 america's trust when i started there was a liberal, but I think we were more guided by curiosity, open-mindedness. I think that's evolved over the years into a much narrower kind of niche thinking, a group think that's really clustered around very selective, progressive views that don't allow enough air, enough spaciousness to consider all kinds of perspectives. enough spaciousness to consider all kinds of perspectives. On April 9th, National Public Radio's longtime business editor, Yuri Berliner, published an essay in the Free Press titled, I've been at NPR for over 25 years. Here's how we lost America's trust. Berliner detailed his experience at the network, castigating it for a leftward lurch that has left many of its longtime listeners disenchanted and moving on to other news sources. It's true NPR has always had a liberal bent, but during most of my tenure here, an open-minded, curious culture prevailed. We are nerdy, but not knee-jerk,

Starting point is 00:06:15 activist, or scolding, Berliner wrote. In recent years, however, that has changed. Today, those who listen to NPR or read its coverage online find something different, the distilled worldview of a very small segment of the U.S. population. Berliner's essay prompted a public spat with several of NPR's other top editors, who criticized his piece and its characterization of NPR. Morning Edition host Steve Inskeep said that Berliner refused to engage anyone who had a different point of view. This article needed a better editor, Inskeep wrote. I don't know who, if anyone, edited Uri's story, but they let him publish an article that discredited itself. Shortly after the essay was released, NPR CEO Catherine Marr sent a memo to NPR staff vouching for the newsroom's integrity. Berliner was then suspended

Starting point is 00:07:00 for five days without pay for breaking the organization's rules on working for outside organizations without first securing permission. After an email exchange with Maher, Berliner announced his resignation. I cannot work in a newsroom where I am disparaged by a new CEO whose divisive views confirm the very problems at NPR I cite in my free press essay, he wrote. Berliner's essay created a wave of criticism about NPR from many conservative pundits. It also brought increased scrutiny into the newsroom. The conservative activist Christopher Ruffo uncovered tweets from 2020 in which Maher called Trump a deranged racist sociopath, downplayed rioting during the George Floyd protests, described ideological diversity as often a dog whistle for anti-feminist, anti-POC stories, and criticized Hillary Clinton for using the expression boys and girls, which she said amounted to non-binary erasure.

Starting point is 00:07:52 While some current editors criticized Berliner, he also received support from some former NPR employees. Jeffrey Dvorkin, former ombudsman of NPR, described Berliner as not wrong, while former managing editor Chuck Holmes called the essay brave in a post on Facebook. On Monday, several Republican members of Congress sent a letter to Marr blasting the organization and expressing deep concerns regarding the editorial direction under NPR's national leadership. In the past two weeks, two House GOP members have also introduced bills to cut NPR's federal funding. NPR was established in 1967 by Congress as the Corporation for Public Broadcasting to create a non-profit radio entity, but as of 2013, roughly 1% of the organization's annual operating budget came from federal agencies or grants, though the exact amount is still disputed. Still, NPR benefits from contracts with local

Starting point is 00:08:44 radio stations that U.S. government incentives help support. Today, we're going to break down some arguments about the controversy from the right and the left, and then Isaac's take. We'll be right back after this quick commercial break. First up, we're going to start with what the right is saying. The right says Berliner's essay validated what conservatives have said about mainstream media outlets for years. Some say the time has come for NPR to lose its federal funding. Others suggest media bias goes deeper than what Berliner shared.

Starting point is 00:09:24 federal funding. Others suggest media bias goes deeper than what Berliner shared. The Chicago Tribune editorial board wrote about liberal bias at NPR, old-school journalism, and the reluctance to admit a mistake. We journalists hate to fess up as a breed. Only the best of us do so in a timely and complete way. In all three cases cited in Berliner's essay, those same changes also have been credibly leveled against the New York Times and others. Even many progressive journalists in many newsrooms quietly acknowledged those errors, the board wrote. So what happened? Part of the answer is the chicken and the egg segmentation of the audience. The reason all the late-night comedy hosts are progressive is that like-minded viewers are watching TV at that hour. The Times has mostly urban liberals as its subscribers,

Starting point is 00:10:05 so it fiscally behooves it to super serve them. We commend Berliner's courage in taking a stand that probably alienated him from many of his colleagues. We think it has good lessons for all news organizations, and it's equally applicable to those on the right, the board wrote. There's a business case to be made here too. The best news outlets, columnists, and editorializers have the capacity to surprise readers and viewers and don't hesitate to do so. Predictability is a turnoff for readers and listeners. If you know what someone is going to say about something in advance, you're more inclined not to bother finding out. In The Hill, Representative Bob Good of Virginia argued, Congress must finally eliminate the flow of taxpayer dollars to biased NPR. The government should not be in the business of funding the news.

Starting point is 00:10:51 More accurately, the government should not be in the business of forcing taxpayers to fund the news. Actually, the government should not be borrowing the money to fund the news and then sticking hardworking taxpayers with the bill. Doing so is even more egregious when the news organization has a clear bias that is offensive to half the country, Good said. Now, 55 years since its founding, NPR has long strayed far from its journalistic roots and become a primary outlet for advancing the biased, partisan, hard-left view of political and moral issues. So why do we force Americans to help pay Mars' salary and contribute nearly $100 million annually to NPR? Imagine the outrage from Democrats and their allies and traditional media organizations if taxpayers were forced to fund conservative news outlets,

Starting point is 00:11:34 Good wrote. Trust in journalism is now at a historic low, rivaling that of Congress, because too often Americans are not presented both sides of the story and are instead fed a one-sided narrative with an agenda. That shouldn't be done on the taxpayer's dime. In National Review, Howard Husek said, the real bias at NPR is story selection. As concerning as the treatment of specific topics may be, however, criticism of NPR should not be understood to be a problem of political bias. As anyone who has been involved in daily journalism knows, the decisions involve more than specific personalities, Husek wrote.

Starting point is 00:12:10 On any given day, the stories of NPR and those, for instance, of Fox News can seem to be reports from different Americas. For NPR, it may be the Arizona court decision on abortion rights. Fox may be more likely to lead with its correspondence on the southern border. As Berliner points out, some takes on events, such as the possible lab leak origin of COVID, can become radioactive. All such decisions as to what to cover and what about it to emphasize are effectively efforts to set the national culture and political agenda. This is the real media bias, Husek added. NPR must do much more than, per Berliner, present the distilled worldview of a very small segment of the U.S. population in what is effectively an effort to recruit others into that segment.

Starting point is 00:13:03 All right, that is it for what the right is saying, which brings us to what the left is saying. The left pushes back on Berliner's essay, arguing he missed the opportunity to offer a reasoned critique of NPR's shortcomings. Some say Berliner raised valid points that should prompt introspection in newsrooms. Others say NPR has real problems, but not the ones Berliner called out. In The Guardian, Margaret Sullivan said, NPR needs real problems, but not the ones Berliner called out. In The Guardian, Margaret Sullivan said, NPR needs a serious critique, not a politically charged parting shot. Berliner's critique made some points worth pondering as he professed how much he loved the place he had worked for decades, but with which he had become disillusioned.

Starting point is 00:13:38 He also made some shaky arguments that undercut his musings and seemed intended to signal his readiness to having his words weaponized by the right wing of American politics and media, Sullivan wrote. The way he went about his complaint last week made it clear he was no longer interested in constructive criticism. He wanted a viral parting shot. Newsroom leader Edith Chapin launched an effort to critique NPR's journalism on a regular basis, including examining viewpoint diversity. That's been in the works, but the timing strongly suggests it came to fruition because of this whole very public mess. Something positive could result, after all, if those sessions are honest, open, and wide-ranging, Sullivan said. But one thing is certain. You'll be seeing Yuri Berliner on a right-wing talk show or a conservative

Starting point is 00:14:20 opinion page near you. In the Cincinnati Inquirer, Beryl Love wrote, Uri Berliner paid a big price for speaking out. We owe him a listen. Berliner's essay certainly can be picked apart, but it shouldn't be dismissed. Its overarching clarion call rang true for me, reminding me of times when the political polarization of our country uncomfortably seeped into the newsrooms I've worked in, Love said. My concern with Berliner's essay is that it leads the reader to believe the introspection he calls for isn't happening at NPR. Based on the response from Marr and NPR staffers I know personally, it has been, and I can vouch that it's happening in the company that employs me as well.

Starting point is 00:14:59 National news organizations often fail the sniff test when accused of promoting an agenda, Love added. Viewed individually, the stories are factual and stand up to review. But taken as a whole, it's obvious which way each news source leans politically, and that's a problem. It's too soon to arrive at a final thought on the Berliner dust-up. But one thing is clear. NPR and other news organizations should resist the urge to circle the wagons and err on the side of listening. There are lessons to be learned. Based on Charles Yu's award-winning book, Interior Chinatown follows the story of Willis Wu,

Starting point is 00:15:34 a background character trapped in a police procedural who dreams about a world beyond Chinatown. When he inadvertently becomes a witness to a crime, Willis begins to unravel a criminal web, his family's buried history, and what it feels like to be in the spotlight. Interior Chinatown is streaming November 19th, only on Disney+. The flu remains a serious disease. Last season, over 102,000 influenza cases have been reported across Canada, which is nearly double the historic average of 52,000 cases. What can you do this flu season? Talk to your pharmacist or doctor about getting a flu shot. Consider FluSilvax Quad and help protect yourself from the flu. Thank you. is not guaranteed. Learn more at flucellvax.ca.

Starting point is 00:16:31 In Slate, Alicia Montgomery discussed the real story behind NPR's current problems. NPR, the great bastion of old-school audio journalism, is a mess. As someone who loves NPR, built my career there, and once aspired to stay forever, I say with sadness that it has been for a long time, Montgomery wrote. NPR has been both a beacon of thoughtful, engaging, and fair journalism for decades, and a rickety organizational shitshow for almost as long. If former CEO John Lansing, the big bad of Uri's piece, failed to fix it, or somehow made it worse, that's a failure he shared with almost every NPR leader before him. Uri's account of the deliberate effort to undermine Trump up to and after his election is also bewilderingly incomplete, inaccurate, and skewed. For most of 2016, many NPR journalists

Starting point is 00:17:16 warned newsroom leadership that we weren't taking Trump and the possibility of his winning seriously enough, Montgomery said. And that's what the core editorial problem at NPR is, and frankly has been, an abundance of caution that often crossed the border to cowardice. NPR culture encouraged an editorial fixation on finding the exact middle point of the elite political and social thought, planting a flag there and calling it objectivity. All right, that is it for what the left and the right are saying. Thank you, John. Now we're going to jump in with my take. So a few weeks ago, when I was writing about Chuck Schumer's rebuke of Benjamin Netanyahu, I said, quote,

Starting point is 00:18:06 The most important thing about Schumer's speech is that he's right. With only one change, I could have written the same thing about today's story. The most important thing about Uri Berliner's essay is that he's right. NPR has always had a liberal bent, of course, but it had a way of approaching major issues that humanized its subjects and offered a wide range of perspectives on the most controversial issues. As a result, it used to enjoy a diverse audience, one that isn't too far off from the current makeup of Tangle's audience. Berliner said that in 2011, NPR's audience was 26% conservative, 23% independent or middle-of-the-road, and 37% liberal. Tangles is about 40% liberal, 30% conservative, and 30% independent or centrist. That is the kind of audience you get when you work

Starting point is 00:18:53 to speak to more than one political tribe. Today, Berliner notes, NPR's audience is totally different. Only 11% describe themselves as very or somewhat conservative, 21% as middle of the road, and 67% of listeners said they were very or somewhat liberal. Berliner then documented a story that is by now familiar to most people. Donald Trump got elected, and the reporters at NPR completely lost their minds, covering every rumor about his criminality as if it was fact, while ignoring their mistakes about major stories without any serious acknowledgement. The only thing surprising about his piece is that it took this long for a current or former NPR reporter to speak about it publicly. Berliner described a similar newsroom atmosphere as Adam Rubenstein did in his story about the New York Times. And, to be frank, I created Tangle precisely because so many newsrooms were going the way of NPR, the New York Times, and others, and because the alternatives to them were institutions like Fox News that were just as ideologically captured by the other side.

Starting point is 00:19:53 As with any newsroom, I don't want to simply trash NPR. I think it still does great work and still produces captivating radio shows. This American Life, for instance, is one of my favorite podcasts, even if the subject matter and language choices have listed noticeably to the left. I sometimes use NPR's digital news as references in Tangle, and I find they can still report on and break some stories with even handedness. When making Tangle's editorial decisions, we even stole some of NPR's approach to abortion, an area where I think the newsroom is still at its best. Yet Berliner's case is self-evident. The network, as he detailed thoroughly, boastfully and

Starting point is 00:20:31 unapologetically ignored major news stories like Hunter Biden's laptop by simply dismissing their significance or openly suggesting they weren't going to cover them for fear of helping Trump. It also found itself on the wrong side of coverage of other topics like the Trump-Russia story without ever acknowledging it or course-correcting. The tweets from NPR's new CEO, Catherine Maher, were just the cherry on top, a damning example of the kinds of ideology many of the people who rise at a place like NPR now hold. It's not hard to imagine how Maher's worldview could permeate NPR, influencing everything from its strategic direction to hiring decisions. Even though she isn't in an editorial role, her public comments are undoubtedly alienating to would-be conservative readers and listeners. When NPR responded to Berliner's essay by suspending him, my instinct was to be critical of the decision. Why bring

Starting point is 00:21:20 more attention to an already bad situation and why punish someone for speaking honestly about NPR's failures? I actually had my mind changed by a backstage conversation with Michael Moynihan, one of the panelists at the Tango Live event, who said of Berliner's actions, quote, you just don't do that. If you decide to go public trashing your employer, you can expect to get suspended or fired, even if what you are saying is true. That is simple, and it's fair. Funnily enough, Moynihan told me that the Free Press will soon be running a piece from him about his time at Vice, which followed a similar trajectory as Berliner's. In the end, Berliner did the right thing. He wrote a powerful, convincing piece that communicated something most of us already knew,

Starting point is 00:22:00 but in openly critical terms, and he wrote it because he was someone who could write it with authority. NPR responded fairly and predictably by punishing him for working with another publication, and Berliner responded rationally by resigning, sensing that he could no longer have a normal work life at the news outlet he just blasted. The only real shame that could come out of this saga would be if NPR, rather than enjoy some introspection, doubles down. Marr has shown no sign she is taking Berliner's argument seriously, and if the reception of his piece is any indication of how the network is viewed today, she'd be wise to. We'll be right back after this quick break.

Starting point is 00:22:50 right back after this quick break. All right, that is it for my take. We're going to send it back to John for your questions answered and the rest of the pod. Thanks, Isaac. This question comes from Tom in Nebraska. Tom says, there are now 16 Democratic states that have joined together in the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. These states now have 207 of the needed 270 electoral votes to elect a president. They obviously would not need to do this if their Democratic candidate had enough electoral votes from the primaries to secure the election. Unfortunately, this means there is no chance ever for a Republican candidate for president. What does this push by the Democratic states that are joining the NPVIC mean for our country, our constitution, and our elections? Will our country just become one where only the big cities or states matter and the rest of the country has no say? Why would

Starting point is 00:23:35 candidates go anywhere else but big cities such as New York and LA to get their votes? All right, so Isaac responded, we explored the merits of the Electoral College in an in-depth piece in 2020, and as with most things, there isn't a simple answer. My take was essentially that most arguments against a popular vote didn't hold up, but the threat of nationalizing our election still concerned me. The allure of the popular vote election is straightforward. One person, one vote. And you can view this interstate compact as either a backhanded deal or as an ingenious way to right a systemic injustice, depending on your perspective.

Starting point is 00:24:10 For example, my home state of Pennsylvania has 19 electors in 2024, meaning one vote for every 682,000 Pennsylvanians. Our managing editor Ari lives in Vermont, a small state with three electoral votes, one for every 216,000 Vermonters. In other words, Ari's vote in the electoral college is three times as valuable as mine. That doesn't seem fair. And most big states aren't battlegrounds like Pennsylvania. Democrat voters in states like Florida or Texas don't have the incentives to show up in general elections, while Republican voters in states like Illinois, New York, California, Washington, and Colorado have long been disenfranchised. I could turn your question around and ask why any nominee would ever campaign in California's Central Valley now,

Starting point is 00:24:54 or even enormous cities like Chicago or Austin. Furthermore, most small states aren't like Vermont either. Rural states like Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Alaska have been voting more and more reliably Republican. Meanwhile, city dwellers are voting more and more reliably Democratic. So, of course, the party whose constituents form majorities in the most populous counties would want to change the system that waters down their voting power. Fundamentally, it seems clear that our current system does not fairly represent anyone, but there are still benefits of the Electoral College. It preserves the influence of smaller rural states.

Starting point is 00:25:29 It prevents micro-candidates from diluting the vote. And it acts as a check on executive power and totally nationalized elections. And there are ways to improve the system without completely abandoning it. Every state could adopt a system like Maine's or Nebraska's, where individual districts send their own electors. I'd certainly support that. So would a president elected by popular vote spell doom for our republic? Not in my opinion. I think it would change the way parties campaign, yes, but I do not think it would guarantee Democrats would win more presidential elections.

Starting point is 00:26:00 Republicans are perfectly capable of winning the popular vote, as they have many times before, and I'm sure they could if they focused on chipping away at more populated areas. But right now, they have no incentive to. Alright, that is it for your questions answered, which brings us to our Under the Radar story. Kristi Noem may have just sunk her campaign to become Trump's vice president in bizarre fashion by confessing to killing a dog in her new memoir. The South Dakota governor, who has been a top candidate for Trump's VP pick, wrote in a soon-to-be-released memoir that she killed a rambunctious puppy she was struggling to train for pheasant hunting. Noem tried to frame

Starting point is 00:26:43 the story as an example of her willingness to do anything difficult or messy if it had to get done, but instead inspired backlash from conservative and liberal voters alike. She took to social media to say the dog had been aggressive and even bit her, but the fervor was so intense that some are wondering if the story has ruined her chances at being picked as Trump's running mate. The Associated Press has the story, and there's a link in today's episode description. Okay, next up is our numbers section. The percentage of Americans who said they had a

Starting point is 00:27:17 great or fair amount of trust in mass media—newspapers, TV, and radio—to report the news fully, accurately, and fairly in 1972 was 68%, according to Gallup. The percentage of Americans who said they had a great or fair amount of trust in mass media in 2023 is 32%. The percentage of Democrats who said they had a great or fair amount of trust in mass media in 2023 is 58%. The percentage of Republicans who said they had a great or fair amount of trust in mass media in 2023 is 11%. The net percentage of U.S. adults who said they viewed the Weather Channel as trustworthy versus untrustworthy in 2023 is plus 53, the highest trust rating of any major media organization, according to YouGov. NPR's net trust score in 2023 is plus 16. The average weekly listenership

Starting point is 00:28:06 of the top 20 NPR-affiliated public radio stations in 2022 is 8.3 million, a 10% year-over-year decrease according to Pew Research. NPR's score on all sides' media bias rating is minus 2, indicating a left-leaning bias. is minus two, indicating a left-leaning bias. All right, and last but not least, our Have a Nice Day story. It's been 30 years since the Rwandan genocide, which killed a million Tutsi and non-extremist Hutu, but the country seems to be doing a remarkable job of healing. Every year in early April, Rwanda undertakes a 100-day reflection period to bridge historical divisions between the country's main ethnic groups, Tutsi, Hutu, and Twa. This is done under the banner of

Starting point is 00:28:50 Ndi Monyarwanda, loosely translated as, I am Rwandan, and it appears to be working. During conversations with 50 young Rwandans, field worker Jonathan Beloff found that the next generation has little desire to bring up what they classified as their parents' divisions and instead see each other as fellow Rwandans. Good Good Good has the story, and there's a link in today's episode description. All right, everybody, that is it for today's episode. As always, if you'd like to support our work, you can go to readtangle.com and sign up for a membership. As Isaac said at the top, today was a little bit of an experiment. We're going to try out a new format where I'll read

Starting point is 00:29:29 some of the main sections and Isaac's going to do his take. We'd love to hear your thoughts about this new format. You can reach out to either one of us, Isaac at readtangle.com, that's I-S-A-A-C at readtangle.com, or to me at J-O- at reedtangle.com. Thanks again for tuning in. For Isaac and the rest of the Tangle team, this is John Law signing off. Hope you have a great day, everybody. Peace. Our podcast is written by me, Isaac Saul, and edited and engineered by John Law. The script is edited by our managing editor, Ari Weitzman, Will Kabak, Bailey Saul, and Sean Brady.

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Starting point is 00:31:04 cases have been reported across Canada, which is nearly double the historic average of 52,000 cases. What can you do this flu season? Talk to your pharmacist or doctor about getting a flu shot. Consider FluCellVax Quad and help protect yourself from the flu. It's the first cell-based flu vaccine authorized in Canada for ages six months and older, and it may be available for free in your province. Side effects and allergic reactions can occur, and 100% protection is not guaranteed. Learn more at flucellvax.ca.

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