Tangle - The unidentified aerial phenomenon (UAP) sightings

Episode Date: December 16, 2024

For several weeks, residents of New Jersey and other East Coast states have reported seeing possible drones flying over residential neighborhoods and restricted areas. While federal officials have stated that the aircraft do not pose a public safety risk, a lack of specificity in the response has created uncertainty about their origins and nature. Overall, UAPs have been reported in at least six states: Connecticut, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Virginia.Ad-free podcasts are here!Many listeners have been asking for an ad-free version of this podcast that they could subscribe to — and we finally launched it. You can go to tanglemedia.supercast.com to sign up! You can also give the gift of a Tangle podcast subscription by clicking here.You can read today's podcast⁠ ⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠, our “Under the Radar” story ⁠here and today’s “Have a nice day” story ⁠here⁠.Take the survey: What do you think about ending birthright citizenship? Let us know!You can subscribe to Tangle by clicking here or drop something in our tip jar by clicking here. Our podcast is written by Isaac Saul and edited and engineered by Dewey Thomas. Music for the podcast was produced by Diet 75. Our newsletter is edited by Managing Editor Ari Weitzman, Will Kaback, Bailey Saul, Sean Brady, and produced in conjunction with Tangle’s social media manager Magdalena Bokowa, who also created our logo. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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["Tangle," by The Bachelorette plays in background.] From executive producer Isaac Saul, this is Tangle. ["Tangle," by The Bachelorette plays in background.] Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening, and welcome to the Tangle Podcast, the place we get views from across the political spectrum, some independent thinking, and a little bit of my take. I'm your host, Isaac Saul, and I am here with you from a rainy, cold Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. But today we're going to be talking about the skies,

being alight with drones, aliens, foreign invaders. I don't think any of the above. Going to talk about what's going on with the drone phenomena in New Jersey, all up and down the East Coast that has been dominating the news. in New Jersey, all up and down the East Coast that has been dominating the news. Many of you long time readers and listeners probably wondering why it's taken us so long to cover it. I'm gonna break down exactly what we know and what we don't and share my own personal theory on what is happening.

Before we do though, I have a couple of things at the top. First of all, a quick correction. This was one in the newsletter. I'm not sure if we read this wrong in the podcast, but on Friday, we identified Senator Josh Hawley in our newsletter as Republican from North Carolina when he's a Republican from Missouri. This error came as the result of our editors testing out

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did the read down of the Friday pod, and it's a good one. All right, with that, I'm going to pass it over to John for today's main story, and I'll be back for my take. Thanks, Isaac, and welcome everybody. Hope you all had a great weekend. Here are your quick hits for today. First up, Israel reportedly carried out 75 airstrikes on Syrian weapons depots and air defenses over the weekend. The Israeli Defense Forces said the strikes were intended to prevent extremists from seizing control of Syria's weaponry, while the head of the rebel coalition currently leading Syria said Israel is carrying out unwarranted attacks. 2.

The Justice Department Inspector General released a report finding that the Federal Bureau of Investigation assigned three informants to be present at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021, though none were authorized to break the law or encouraged others to do so. Furthermore, no undercover agents were present. The report also found that the FBI could have done more to gather intelligence from its network of informants prior to the Capitol riot. 3.

ABC reached a settlement with President-elect Donald Trump over allegedly defamatory remarks made by anchor George Stephanopoulos. ABC will pay $15 million to a presidential foundation and museum to be established by or for Trump. Number four, South Korea's parliament voted to impeach President Yoon Suk-yul for his declaration of martial law earlier this month. The country's Constitutional Court will now review the impeachment and decide if he will be removed from office.

And number five, Representative Nancy Pelosi underwent hip replacement surgery in Germany after a fall during an engagement in Luxembourg over the weekend. Separately, Senator Mitch McConnell was injured in a fall in the Capitol on Tuesday. McConnell has since resumed his normal schedule. ["Floating in the Sky"] Look at it! Oh! Frustration building with each new drone sighting

across the Northeast. ["Floating in the Sky"] And I think that there's multiple drones frustration building with each new drone sighting across the northeast. But New Jersey leaders and the political leaders there say that they're still not getting answers on where exactly these objects are coming from or who is controlling them or where they're going. How can you tell me that there's no imminent threat? What are these drones doing in New Jersey? I can tell you what they're not doing. If they're Martians, I guarantee you they're not staying

because the taxes are way too high. For several weeks, residents of New Jersey and other East Coast states have reported seeing possible drones flying over residential neighborhoods and restricted areas. While federal officials have stated that the aircraft do not pose a public safety risk, a lack of specificity in the response has created uncertainty about their origins and nature.

Overall, UAPs have been reported in at least six states – Connecticut, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Virginia. According to the Federal Aviation Administration, the first sightings occurred on November 18th and have reportedly continued every night since then, including near the Picatinny Arsenal, a military research and manufacturing facility, and President-elect Donald Trump's golf course. Additionally, Stewart International Airport in New York temporarily shut down its runways on Friday after UAP reports in the area. On Thursday, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Department of Homeland Security issued

a joint statement affirming that the reported drone sightings do not appear to pose a national security or public safety threat or have a foreign nexus, adding that the agencies and other federal authorities are continuing to investigate the reports. They also suggested the objects could be manned aircrafts and not drones. Separately, the Department of Defense said the U.S. military was not responsible for the activities. The absence of clear answers from authorities has led to widespread speculation to explain the sightings.

Many people assume the sightings are of real drones. Some have suggested that foreign governments could be responsible, while others have proposed more benign actors, such as pranksters, hobbyists, or copycats. On Saturday, Senator Andy Kim, the Democrat from New Jersey, posted on XDAT aircraft he observed while investigating the sightings in New Jersey were almost certainly planes after analyzing flight data from the area. Meanwhile, Mike Gasali, the Mayor of Montveille, New Jersey, shared findings from federal agencies that some of the reported objects appear to fly in a coordinated pattern and can remain in flight for up to six hours. Authorities in impacted

states have announced various measures to investigate the sightings. Connecticut and New York are deploying drone detection systems, while Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, Massachusetts Governor Maura Healey, and Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin announced that the state's authorities are collaborating with federal agencies to respond to residents' concerns. Other political leaders, including President-elect Trump, have called on the federal government to shoot down the objects. Can this really be happening without our government's knowledge? I don't think so.

Let the public know, and now. Otherwise, shoot them down," Trump wrote on Truth Social. Senator Richard Blumenthal, the Democrat from Connecticut, echoed Trump's statements, commenting, we should be doing some very urgent intelligence analysis and take them out of the skies, especially if they're flying over airports or military bases. Today, we'll explore the perspectives from the left and the right

about the aircraft sightings, and then Isaac's tape. We'll be right back after this quick break. Timothy Chalamet reinvents himself again as Bob Dylan in A Complete Unknown, a riveting portrayal of the legendary artist's meteoric rise and groundbreaking journey. Witness the untamed spirit of a musical pioneer brought to life. From James Mangold, the visionary director of Walk the Line and Logan, this powerful film celebrates the courage to create and the legacy of an icon who redefined music forever. Watch the trailer now and get your tickets for a story that inspired generations. A Complete Unknown, only in theaters December

25th. Alright, first up, let's start with what the left is saying. The left is concerned about the issues raised by aircraft sightings, with many arguing that the U.S. needs better policies to respond to drone threats. Some say that the lack of clear answers from federal authorities is alarming. Others note the privacy issues raised by drones. In the Washington Post, Max Boot said, New Jersey needs to get a grip, but our drone defenses need work. Mass hysteria is a recurring feature of American life. In 1938, it was about an alien invasion sparked by Orson Welles' radio drama, The

War of the Worlds. In the 1950s, it was flying saucers. Today, it's drones, another form of UFO or unidentified flying object. New Jersey in particular has been gripped in recent days by alarmism about large mysterious drones that are supposedly flying over the state, Boot wrote. Though the New Jersey drone threat is at the very least greatly exaggerated, there are genuinely domestic security concerns about the proliferation of drones. More than 1.7 million drones are registered for commercial and recreational use in the United States, and it's not hard to imagine some of them being employed for espionage or even terrorist attacks.

The Defense Department, the DHS, the FBI, and the Energy Department all have responsibilities to protect various domestic targets from drones, but they are also extremely limited in their authorities and resources to actually interdict potential threats," Boot said. The limited powers that the FAA has to counter drone threats are due to expire on December 20. The Biden administration is supporting bipartisan legislation in both houses of Congress that would authorize the DHS to create a pilot counter drone program in cooperation with state and local partners.

But the legislation has been held up by civil liberties concerns from both the left and the right. In the Philadelphia Inquirer, Gregory T. Goins wrote, I'm a UFO researcher from New Jersey. The drone situation is out of control. As a UFO researcher for over a decade, I'm being asked by friends, family, and neighbors to explain what's happening in our community. While I don't have all the answers, and neither does the FBI, which is currently investigating, I try to reassure people that there's likely nothing to fear, Goins said.

But the truth is, I am concerned, and I'm also searching for answers. These incidents follow a troubling pattern, dozens of aircraft varying in size and shape emitting bright lights and persisting for days or weeks. After years of such events around U.S. sites equipped with the most advanced sensors available, you'd think the military could offer some answers to ease public concern. I acknowledge that national security implications must be considered by sharing sensitive intelligence information with the public. Revealing what we know or don't know about these objects could risk tipping our hand

to adversary's coins, right? But when unidentified aircraft are penetrating our defenses and arriving at our doorsteps with impunity, it's time for the Pentagon to show its cards. As citizens, we deserve the truth, and we're prepared to handle it." In MSNBC, Neil Richards and Ryan Dury called the issue a privacy wake-up call. Anxiety about these unexplained flying objects is certainly understandable, as are calls for the investigation and regulation of drone flights. There may be laws that are being broken here, and if no laws are being broken, maybe we

need better laws. At their core, though, a lot of the concern here boils down to the need to better protect our privacy," Richardson-Durie said. New Jerseyans, like all Americans, don't want others snooping in their private affairs, whether via mysterious flying video cameras hovering over their patios, data brokers scooping up their health and location data, or old-fashioned peeping Toms. Privacy matters because information is power, and information about people means power over those people, regardless of whether we are talking about drone cameras watching us in

our homes, social networks sharing sensitive data about us with advertisers, or artificial intelligence algorithms using our data to generate scores about our eligibility for health insurance, jobs, or access to loans," Richardson Durie wrote. "'Hopefully we'll get to the bottom of this mystery soon, but at the very least, the New Jersey drone mystery should be a wake-up call.

We need our elected officials to act thoroughly to protect our privacy against new technological threats, aerial or otherwise. Alright, that is it for what the left is saying, which brings us to what the right is saying. The right is alarmed by the possible drone sightings and critical of the government's response. Some say speculation about the aircraft as UFOs distracts from important national security issues. Others say the Biden administration has characteristically faltered in its handling of the issue.

In Fox News, Rebecca Grant said, America has a drone problem and no one is in charge. America's got a drone problem. Some are actually airplanes. Some drones are legal and no threat to you and me. Some are flown by drug cartels dropping off fentanyl in San Diego. General Greg Geo, commander, US Northern Command, told the Senate that more than 1,000 drones per month crossed the southern border.

Other drones belonged to the police or to the military, Grant wrote. But without question, the US is vulnerable to a national security threat from drones in a way we've never experienced before. Many US military installations have anti-drone systems. The rest of the country does not. A new plan for countering drones in US airspace should be a top priority for President-elect Trump's incoming cabinet.

What worries me is the pattern emerging of sightings of multiple drones operating at low altitude with persistent and coordinated overwatch near military bases and critical infrastructure, Grant said. It doesn't feel like this last gasp Biden White House is working on the problem. Ever since the Chinese spy balloon traipsed from Montana to South Carolina in 2023, Americans

have realized that our skies are not always safe. We are a low-trust society. The lack of transparency is almost worse than the drones. In the Wall Street Journal, Holman W. Jenkins Jr. wrote about mystery drones and nuclear stability. House and Senate subcommittees are taking seriously mysterious drones seen flying near military sites around the country joined by increasingly hysterical sightings in New York and New Jersey.

The bad news? The subcommittees are the ones addicted to conflating any unexplained sightings in the sky with the always crowd-pleasing vigil for alien visitors," Jenkins said. A serious country would have gotten serious after a one-ton Chinese spy balloon was tracked over the U.S. for days last year. Instead, a realistic discussion was sidelined by a Biden White House statement saying it had no evidence that aliens were involved.

Sorry to disappoint, but if 100% of identified objects aren't alien spacecraft, perhaps 100% of unidentified objects also aren't alien spacecraft. Many sightings will continue to be too ephemeral or poorly documented to be resolved, thereby keeping the UFOers happy. But an unappreciated urgency is starting to attach to making sense of those sightings that might herald destabilizing new technologies or otherwise give rise to fears, suspicions, and hysterias that could erode the margin of nuclear restraint in a confrontation. In The Washington Examiner, Christopher Tremowgli

criticized Biden's inadequate answers on New Jersey drones. Under normal circumstances, widespread reports of drones flying over the mid-Atlantic region would cause concern. Small, unmanned flying objects hovering over cities in one of the most densely populated areas in the country raises many red flags. However, the fact that the Biden administration is seemingly clueless about who or what is behind the apparent drone invasion is arguably even more alarming," Tremogli said. "'It's a sign of gross incompetence, negligence,

or an outright dereliction of duty. Unfortunately, with the Biden administration, one can never tell which it is.'" Perhaps the biggest question is how and why these breaches and security vulnerabilities keep happening, particularly under Biden's watch. First, there was the aforementioned Chinese spy balloon, and nearly two years later, numerous unidentified drone sightings are happening

on the East Coast. Biden has directed this country to spend billions of dollars in aid to Ukraine, sending weapons, defense systems, and other defense devices to help a foreign country. Yet, the United States cannot even protect itself from aerial espionage. Alright, let's head over to Isaac for his take. That is it for what the left and the right are saying, which brings us to my take. So I know what many of you are thinking. I must be going nuts right now. Longtime readers know that I enjoy a good conspiracy

and I subscribe to the unwritten rule that everyone gets one genuine conspiracy theory to believe. If you want to think we never made it to the moon or JFK was killed by the CIA or that the government is spraying chem trails, you can go right ahead. If you believe more than one such conspiracy, the moon or JFK was killed by the CIA or that the government is spraying chemtrails, you can go right ahead. If you believe more than one such conspiracy, you risk the dreaded conspiracy theorist label,

but everyone is allowed to be skeptical, have a little fun, and buy into something. My one conspiracy? I think the government has encountered evidence of extraterrestrial life or technology and is keeping it from the public. This is a very fun conspiracy to quote unquote believe since I'm only half serious and a hobbyist believer. I've also spoken about my alien curiosity in Tangle and past podcast editions. There are links to those in today's episode description.

And in the Tangle spirit, I've even interviewed the famous UFO skeptic, Mick West, who spends his days explaining very effectively why people like me are idiots. I really wish I could sit here and tell you that this was it. The moment we've all been waiting for. Some revelation about an unidentified aerial phenomenon or UAP that is going to blow the doors off the whole story. But, alas, I really don't think it is. My leading theory is that these sightings are just the intersection of the US government testing some drones it doesn't want us to know about and, well, our inclination for mass hysteria.

It's genuinely hard to overstate how much public panic is driving this story. I live in Philadelphia, and I grew up just north of here. My wife grew up in North Jersey, so between us, we have a lot of friends and family in the areas of all these sightings. Many of those same people started blowing up my phone when these sightings were first reported, since they know weird things flying in the sky is an irresistible story to me. A lot of these messages included videos and photos, most of which were obviously planes or helicopters, or texts from people curious about what I thought. After a couple weeks of UAP in the news, most of my friends had their own UAP story, a remarkable occurrence.

In fact, while driving to New York City last week, I was absolutely 100% certain I saw an odd-looking, hovering ball of light in the sky that then suddenly took off deep into space above I-95. I didn't say anything, assuming my brain was playing tricks on me. A few minutes later, one of my buddies swore that he saw a drone that looked like a shooting star. Tango editor Ari Weitzman claimed he had a similar experience this weekend in Vermont. I know what I saw, Ari said in our team Slack on Sunday. Stars don't hang out in front of the clouds. So what do I think is more likely? Everyone I know is suddenly spotting foreign

technology, alien aircraft or new US military material in the sky and our foreign adversaries, the aliens and or the US government don't care. Or we are all collectively hyping each other up into seeing things that maybe we wouldn't have noticed a few weeks ago. I'm fairly certain it's the latter. That's not to say nothing is happening. Some odd details like military bases closing over the weekend or smaller airports having to shut down suggest the U.S. government doesn't fully know what is going on out there. At the very least, there is an apparent gap between what the New Jersey congressmen or governors know and what the federal government knows, since everyone is demanding answers

from each other. If something unusual is truly behind these sightings, the most compelling explanation I've come across is that the US government is testing technology like the Pterodynamic XP-4 advanced Navy drones that look and move differently from airplanes, fighter jets, or helicopters and would cause obvious alarm if citizens start to spot them in the sky, especially in densely populated areas like New Jersey. If the explanation were really that simple, though, it raised the obvious question of

why the US government wouldn't just say, these are ours, and calm everyone down. A few reasons come to mind. One, they don't want our adversaries sticking their nose in and seeing what we are working on. Two, maybe they want to test the public reaction to these drones to better understand what they can and can't get away with. Or three, the panic is the point, as it could lead to more funding for the federal government's military.

I know number three might sound a bit paranoid, but as I was listening to White House National Security Communications Advisor John Kirby explain that the federal government didn't know what the drones were, I was struck by one of his closing remarks. He said, The reported sightings there do, however, highlight a gap in authorities, and so we urge Congress to pass important legislation that will extend and expand existing counter-drone authorities so that we are better prepared to identify and mitigate any potential threats to airports or other critical infrastructure. Maybe Kirby is taking advantage of an opportunity here.

Or maybe the opportunity is something the U.S. government created, happily, by running some tests over our most densely populated state. Whatever best explains the federal government's response, I bet that the vast majority of the sightings are legal, manned aircraft that just look odd with all of our senses on high alert, and that the few genuine UAPR aircraft our military is testing not far from its own bases. The aforementioned Mick West actually released a video last night explaining how every high-profile incident he looked into weren't even drones, but matched the flight records of planes or helicopters, and in one case, an out of focus Venus. In the most basic sense, I highly, highly doubt that swarms of drones and unidentifiable objects could hover around the largest metropolitan area in the United States, circle the President-elect's

golf courses, and fly over military bases for more than a minute without seeing the business end of the United States military might. Even if you think President Biden is a weak-kneed lame duck, I don't think that the DOD would let that fly, if you'll excuse the expression. So for now, I'm sitting back and waiting, and I'm certainly not ringing any alarm bells about foreign or alien invasions.

We'll be right back after this quick break. Timothy Chalamet reinvents himself again as Bob Dylan in a complete unknown, a riveting portrayal of the legendary artist's meteoric rise and groundbreaking journey. Witness the untamed spirit of a musical pioneer brought to life. From James Mangold, the visionary director of Walk the Line and Logan, this powerful film celebrates the courage to create and the legacy of an icon who redefined music forever. Watch the trailer now and get your tickets for a story that inspired generations. A Complete Unknown, only in theaters December 25th.

All right, that is it for my take, which brings us to today's listener question. This one's from Tony in Kirksville, Missouri. Tony said, it appears to me from watching the results of your surveys that your audience is shifting leftward. Should I be concerned? Can you really hold to a more centralist position with that happening?

So first of all, I don't think you need to be concerned about our content or editorials changing. We think we are seeing a similar leftward shift, which makes sense to us as we grew a lot recently following this American Life's episode about Tangle, and that a larger proportion of those listeners lean left than right. Not all of you lovely new listeners and readers, but a larger proportion. But rest assured that our content and coverage approach won't change for a few reasons. First, we really don't concern ourselves with trying to hold the centrist position on every issue. Sometimes I might land on the left or the right depending on what the issue is.

Different editors on our staff will be similarly skewed depending on the issue or the person. What we are concerned with is being fair and sharing a wide range of perspectives in every edition. Audience feedback is one helpful way to gauge that balance, yes, but it is not the only way. We're big believers that our process itself is what produces even handed and empathetic takes that our readers connect with and can trust. That process will always be the same. Read commentary from all across the political spectrum, consider the best arguments from each side, and ask ourselves where we could be wrong. So while Tangle won't change, we do want to keep our readership balanced. Our North Star is to be

a big tent news organization, read and trusted by people regardless of their political affiliation, which our format lends itself to. That means we're planning to spend a little more energy advertising and reaching a conservative crowd in the coming months, not exclusively, but enough to try and tip the scales back. All right, that is it for today's Listener Question. I'm going to send it back to John for the rest of the pod. See you guys tomorrow. Peace. rest of the pod. See you guys tomorrow. Peace. Thanks, Isaac. Here's your under the radar story for today, folks. Between 2021 and 2023, annual net migration in the United States has been the highest in the country's history, according to a new analysis from the New York Times. Data from the Congressional Budget Office shows that net migrations,

the number of people coming to the US minus the number leaving, averaged 2.4 million people annually during the first three years of the Biden administration, a faster pace than at any other period on record, dating back to the 1850s. The number included both authorized and unauthorized migrants,

and the Times reported that approximately 60% of the immigrants who have entered the country since 2021 were unauthorized. The analysis suggests that the Biden administration's decision to loosen asylum rules played a major role in the surge. The New York Times has this story and there's a link in today's episode description. All right, next up is our numbers section. The total number of drones registered with the Federal Aviation Administration, or the FAA, as of October 1, 2024 is 791,597. The number of recreational drones registered with the FAA is 387,746.

The percentage of Americans who own a drone is 8%. The maximum height off the ground in feet that drones can be flown in most locations per FAA guidelines is 400. The approximate number of tips received by the Federal Bureau of Investigation related to possible drone sightings in recent weeks, of which fewer than 100 have been deemed worthy of further investigative activity, is 5,000. The percentage of U.S. adults who think drones should not be allowed to fly near private residences is 54 percent, according to a 2017 Pew Research Survey. The number of drone use violations recorded in the United States in 2024 is 1,133,647,

according to DeDrone. Of those violations, the number that involved operating a drone above 400 feet was 729,111, and of those violations, the number that involved flying a drone in controlled airspace around airports without authorization is 664,286. Alright and last but not least our Have a Nice Day story. John's Crazy Socks recently became the largest online sock retailer. The company's name comes from its founder, 28-year-old John Cronin, an entrepreneur who has Down syndrome.

Running the company together with his family, Cronin has included handwritten thank you notes and candy in orders, with themes from Christmas to Harry Potter. Cronin has donated over $800,000 of the company's socks to various charities, including the Special Olympics. The entrepreneur has this story and there's a link in today's episode description. Alright everybody, that is it for today's episode. As always, if you'd like to support our work, please go to www.reetangle.com and sign up for a membership. You can also go to www.tanglemedia.supercast.com and sign up for a premium podcast membership, which gets you ad-free daily podcasts, Friday editions, Sunday editions, interviews, bonus content,

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