Tangle - The Uvalde police response.

Episode Date: May 31, 2022

On Sunday, the U.S. Justice Department announced it was going to launch an investigation into the police response to the shooting at Robb Elementary School. Officers have faced criticism from parents, politicians and officials after reports they chose not to immediately storm the school and engage the active shooter who killed 21 people, including 19 children. The account of events from police and law enforcement has at times been contradictory and unclear, including initial reports that a gun battle took place outside the school and that the shooter wore body armor, both of which appear to be inaccurate. Border patrol, local Uvalde police and the county sheriff's department were all at the school shortly after the shooter arrived, but were ordered not to storm the classroom where he had barricaded himself. The delay in confronting the shooter — who was inside the school unimpeded for more than an hour — has become the center of the story.You can read today's podcast here.You can subscribe to Tangle by clicking here or drop something in our tip jar by clicking here.Our podcast is written by Isaac Saul and produced by Trevor Eichhorn. Music for the podcast was produced by Diet 75. Today’s episode was edited by Zosha Warpeha.Our newsletter is edited by Bailey Saul, Sean Brady, Ari Weitzman, and produced in conjunction with Tangle’s social media manager Magdalena Bokowa, who also created our logo.--- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/tanglenews/message Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

From executive producer Isaac Saul, this is Tangle. Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening, and welcome to the Tangle podcast, the place where you get views from across the political spectrum. Some independent thinking without all that hysterical nonsense you find everywhere else. I hope everyone had a good Memorial Day weekend. A quick note, actually, on Memorial Day, and I should have done this before the break. It was kind of my fault for not. I know everyone who reads Tangle expresses their

patriotism in different ways. Some of you are fierce critics of our military and government, and others are its most ardent defenders. Many of you are a combination of both, like me, I think. And assuredly, a lot of you are veterans of the military yourself. No matter where you land, though, it's worth actually understanding what Memorial Day is really supposed to be about. So again, this is a day late and I wish I had done this last week, but it is really about honoring the fallen soldiers. Memorial Day is a somber occasion to remember the men and women who have died while serving in the military. Veterans Day, which is November 11th, is a bit more of a celebration and recognizing everyone who has served in the military. Many Americans often conflate the two or aren't aware of the differences.

If you're interested, I shared in the newsletter today a piece from 2011 in the New York Times about Memorial Day that I really love. I found it informative about the holiday and also quite moving. There's a link to it in today's newsletter if you're interested. All right, that's it for a little Memorial Day spiel. And first up is our quick hits. Number one, EU leaders said they have an agreement to cut Russian oil by 90% before the year is out. Number two, U.S. gas prices hit $4.62 per gallon on Sunday, another new record and 52% higher than a year ago. Number three, President Biden published an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal making the case for his economic achievements. making the case for his economic achievements. Number four, former Trump aide Peter Navarro was subpoenaed by a grand jury for testimony and records related to January 6th. Number five,

a bipartisan Senate working group is meeting on Tuesday to discuss a legislative response to the mass shootings in Uvalde and Buffalo. Two days after the mass shooting at Robb Elementary, the story of what happened when the gunman arrived on the campus has fundamentally changed. New video and audio is raising more questions about the horror that unfolded last week inside Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas. As ABC's Morgan Norwood shows us, it comes as the tight-knit community begins to say goodbye to the children who died. The growing outrage over the Uvalde massacre and the police response. ABC's Erin Katursky joins us. And Erin, you went through the state's active shooter training manual,

and it makes clear the first priority is to move in and confront the attacker. On Sunday, the U.S. Justice Department announced it was going to launch an investigation into the police response to the shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde. Officers have faced fierce criticism from parents, politicians, and officials after reports they chose not to immediately storm the school and engage the active shooter who killed 21 people, including 19 children. The account of events from police and law enforcement has at times been contradictory and unclear, including initial reports of a gun battle outside the school and that the shooter wore body armor, both of which appear to be inaccurate details. Border Patrol, local Uvalde police, and the county sheriff's department were all at the school

shortly after the shooter arrived, but were ordered not to storm the classroom where he had barricaded himself. The delay in confronting the shooter, who was inside the school unimpeded for more than an hour, has become the center of the story. Pedro Arredondo, the chief of the Uvalde Police Department that oversees all eight of Uvalde's schools, told law enforcement on the scene to hold off on storming the classrooms, according to state police. Meanwhile, inside, children were calling 911 as the shooter barricaded himself inside a classroom. Officials had previously said an armed school resource officer confronted the shooter as he arrived, but Victor Escalon, a regional director for the Texas Department of Public Safety, said that account was also incorrect.

One mother on the scene, whose children were inside the school, says she was handcuffed by police for disturbing their investigation as she urged them to enter the building. as she urged them to enter the building. Eventually, she convinced officers to remove her handcuffs, then scaled a fence, entered the school on her own, found her two children, and removed them, according to the Wall Street Journal. The chief's decision and the officer's apparent willingness to follow his directives against established active shooter protocols prompted questions about whether more lives were lost because officers did not act faster to stop the gunman and who should be held responsible, according to the Associated Press. Charges against law enforcement in school shootings are rare, but not unprecedented. Former Broward County Deputy Scott Peterson, the school resource officer from Parkland High School

who was accused of hiding during the shooting, is going on trial in September. A group of Parkland parents also reached a $127 million settlement with the U.S. Department of Justice after suing the FBI for failing to stop the gunman despite explicit signs his attack was imminent. In a moment, you'll hear some arguments from the right and the left about the police response and then my take. First up, I want to start with what both sides seem to agree on. On this story, there is significant consensus from the left and the right, both of whom criticize the actions of police and officers in charge of the scene. Across the political spectrum, professionals and commentators are wondering aloud about the current training tactics for active shooter situations and whether they

need to be updated or if the officers on the scene simply failed to follow them. So, first up, we'll start with what the right is saying. The right said there is reason to be outraged. Many insisted that police must rush toward danger, and others said the response looked incompetent, cowardly, or both. National Review's editorial board called it the Uvalde outrage. Throughout the week, the official accounts of what happened on that fateful day kept changing. First, the shooter was confronted outside the school, then he wasn't. First, the shooter quickly entered the school, then he lingered outside for about 10 minutes. First, the shooter was pinned down in one classroom by law enforcement,

then he barricaded himself inside. There's always confusion in the aftermath of a horrific event like a mass shooting, but members of the public were correct to ask whether they were getting the whole story. Perhaps the most egregious detail from the Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw's account is that as many as 19 police officers were gathered in the school's hallways or nearby shortly after noon, but, McCraw said, they made no effort to breach the classroom door, leading to this mind-boggling exchange. A CNN correspondent asked, what efforts were the officers making to try and break through either that door or another door to get inside that classroom? McCraw said, none at the time.

The on-scene commander at the time believed that it had transitioned from an active shooter to a barricaded subject. The on-scene commander considered a barricaded subject and that there were no more children at risk. Obviously, based upon the information that we have, there were children in that classroom that were at risk, and it was in fact still an active shooter situation, not a barricaded subject. Keep in mind, the board said, the barricade was a locked door. In City Journal, James A. Gagliano said police must rush to the sound of the guns. Why the delayed response? Citing the benefit of hindsight, Colonel McCraw described the decision to wait as the wrong decision, period. Cops are fallible human beings. Yes, they make mistakes. The stakes are considerably higher,

however, when lives hang in the balance of decision-making that often occurs within an information vacuum, he wrote. Yet for two decades, law enforcement professionals have talked about the modifications that the profession made to tactical response protocols following the April 20, 1999 Columbine mass shooting, where an after-action review indicated an interminably long 47 minutes had transpired between the first shots and law enforcement officers' entry into Columbine High School. It has been more than 23 years since those painful lessons were learned, yet it appears we must relearn them. In this context, one of the most damaging and frankly nauseating explanations offered by police in the wake of the Uvalde attack came in response to a question from CNN's Wolf Blitzer on Thursday, Gagliano said. Blitzer's guest, Texas DPS Lieutenant Chris

Olivares, made the stunning admission that, quote, if they, police, proceeded further without knowing where the suspect was at, they could have been shot, they could have been killed. For those who understand the business of hostage rescue, that statement made us wince. Cops are certainly not machines, they are human beings like everyone else, but they must master the process of managing their fears in the face of danger. In The Federalist, John Daniel Davidson said a picture is emerging of extreme cowardice. During this time, about 78 minutes, as many as 19 police officers were reportedly in the hallway outside the classroom, while multiple

students inside the classroom called 911 begging for the police to be sent in. But none came, Davidson wrote. At the news conference, Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCross said the on-scene commander mistakenly believed that the shooter had barricaded himself in the classroom and that there were, quote, no more kids at risk, which is just a euphemism for believing that all the kids in the classroom had already been killed. Pressed on this by reporters in a series of tense exchanges, McCraw at one point said, from the benefit of hindsight where I'm sitting now, of course it was not the right decision. It was the wrong decision, period. Who made that decision? McCraw said that the on-scene commander was the chief of police of

the Uvalde school district, a man named Pete Arredondo. Chief Arredondo was not at the press conference and no one has heard from him since Tuesday, Davidson said. How Chief Arredondo could have possibly concluded that there were no children at risk and that this was not an active shooter situation while 911 calls were coming from kids inside the classroom with the shooter is perhaps the central question that needs to be answered. In The Federalist, John Daniel Davidson said a picture is emerging of extreme cowardice. Alright, that is it for what the right is saying, which brings us to what the left is saying. The left has criticized the conflicting reports from the law enforcement as well. Some criticized police training for the failures, and others pointed to a culture of selfishness in

many police departments. In MSNBC, Hayes Brown laid out all the conflicting reports. Did the shooter and an armed school safety officer exchange gunfire outside the school? A spokesperson for DPS told the Washington Post on Tuesday that they did, and that the school officer was wounded. The department also confirmed to NBC's Today Show on Thursday that the school safety officer was armed. But DPS director Steve McCraw walked back the gun battle detail Wednesday, and Escalon went further on Thursday, telling reporters that there was not an officer readily available armed, which sounds a lot like a hedge, Brown wrote. DPS initially tried to justify law enforcement's inability to bring down the shooter quickly, saying he wore body armor. The next morning, the agency acknowledged that it wasn't body armor, but a tactical vest that could be

fitted with ballistic protection. That's a major difference. Officials initially said that once the shooter was inside, he immediately barricaded himself inside a classroom and began shooting. McCraw said Wednesday that police pinned the shooter inside the classroom. Meanwhile, there are reports that some officers went into the school during the attack to retrieve their own children, even as desperate parents were being detained outside in handcuffs. In the New York Times, former FBI agent Catherine Schweitz said, I created the FBI's active shooter program, and the officers in Uvalde did not follow their training.

In the past two years, the Uvalde School District has hosted at least two active shooter trainings, according to reporting by the Times. One of them was two months ago, Schweitz said. Current protocol and best practices say officers must persistently pursue efforts to neutralize a shooter when a shooting is underway. This is true even if only one officer is present. This is without question the right approach. We need to understand why that protocol was not followed in Uvalde. I am still confident the FBI's focus on training to this standard was right, but I'm less confident in its execution. The officers who responded may have been unprepared for conflict, which can lead to fatal results. Law enforcement officers need to

be mentally prepared before they arrive on scene so they can respond immediately. Repetitive training builds practice and confidence, but gatherings for training every few years are more expensive and less effective for muscle memory. Instead, departments should consider more virtual tabletop exercises they can run through in an afternoon. Have officers walk through schools and talk with one another about how they would respond. Require officers to check all their gear before they begin a shift. We also need to re-evaluate how we advise students and teachers to react when an active shooter enters a school. After Sandy Hook, the federal government adopted the run-hide-fight model, which instructs students and teachers to run first if they can,

then hide if they must, and finally fight to survive. Today, schools, at best, are giving lip service to the first part of that mantra, to run. Most schools that train for a shooting urge students, teachers, and other staff members schools that train for a shooting urge students, teachers, and other staff members to lock out or hide from a shooter, but almost never to run for their lives if they can. In the American Prospect, Ryan Cooper criticized the cowardly culture in policing today. What it illustrates is simply the cowardly culture of American police in action, he wrote. Contrary to the chest-thumping rhetoric of police unions, they are neither trained nor legally expected to protect citizens in danger. In the pinch, they frequently put their own safety above those they are charged with protecting, even elementary school kids.

As an initial matter, it should be emphasized that this school had done everything that conservatives and experts from the school safety consulting industry recommend. To comply with the 2018 Texas law passed in response to a different school shooting, the district adopted an array of security measures that included its own police force, threat assessment teams at each school, a threat reporting system, social media monitoring software, fences around schools, and a requirement that teachers lock their classroom doors. It didn't work, and neither did police on the scene rush in to stop the killer. Now, of course, this is the polar opposite of approved police tactics

these days. After the Columbine shooting, where police waited outside for hours while a teacher bled to death, police are supposed to dash into the scene as fast as possible. They just didn't do it. The reason is the powerful fear instilled by other parts of police training as well as the overall police culture, he said. By and large, cops are taught to be in quaking terror at all times, to view the local citizenry as infested with violent criminals, and to prioritize their own safety above all else. The overwhelming focus is on threats to the police themselves, not the public. There is virtually no time spent on diplomacy, de-escalation, or remaining calm under fire.

Alright, that is it for what the left and the right are saying, which brings us to my take. So, uh, I think this story is just really hard. I think it's human nature to want a villain. There seems to be momentum growing to blame the police chief overseeing the officers on the scene, and it very well may be that he failed at his job, perhaps egregiously so. But as I wrote last week in Stealing the Words of Noam Blum, nothing is monocausal, there are just parts of our society that are unfathomably broken and they occasionally intersect in unspeakably awful and evil ways. These kids aren't dead just because of one police chief's actions, nor are they dead solely because

of gun laws, mental health issues, or failure to see obvious signs of a person in crisis. This probably happened because of some awful intersection of many of those failures. How the details have evolved is a good refresher of how to treat mass shootings in the first 24 to 48 hours, or really any major news story for that matter. I broke one of my own rules in writing about the shooting within 24 hours after it happened, before the dust had settled, and ended up parroting two reports that have now been disputed. One, that the shooter was wearing body armor, and two, that there was a shootout at the school before he entered. According to Texas public safety officials, both of those accounts were inaccurate.

It's almost always true that a few initial details in events like this end up being wrong. This story should serve as the latest reminder. It also makes me hesitant to opine now. In the last week alone, our picture of what happened has changed drastically. An investigation hasn't even taken place yet. I suspect much more will come out in the coming weeks, months, and years, a reminder that the officer present at Parkland's 2018 shooting is still yet to stand trial. From what we have seen, there's no doubt serious questions need to be answered. That at least one mom drove 40 miles, scaled a fence, entered the school, and got her two children out while police were holding parents back

is perhaps the most damning part of this story, if it is indeed true. Worse yet are reports that Border Patrol agents retrieved their own kids while the shooter was still alive. Fundamentally, police have chosen a job where they are expected to risk their own lives for the lives of others, especially children. They're supposed to be the good guys with the guns, so on the surface, I feel the same angst and frustration many others do as these reports unfold. Then again, it's hard not to feel for everyone in this story. Former FBI agent Catherine Schweitz said training has reduced the number of people killed in mass shooting events over the last few years, but I'm not sure any amount of training can properly prepare a local police chief or a training has reduced the number of people killed in mass shooting events over the last few years.

But I'm not sure any amount of training can properly prepare a local police chief or a police officer for the kinds of decisions that had to be made in Uvalde. It's easy to play Monday morning quarterback, but it is impossible to imagine actually being the one making those calls in real time. Given that some of the law enforcement on the scene literally had kids inside the school, it's easier to understand why they may have been paralyzed with indecision, and it's also difficult to believe they weren't doing everything as quickly as humanly possible to stop the horror. Alright, that is it for my take, which brings us to your questions answered. This one is from Michael in Burnett, Texas. Michael said many pixels are spilled of late about various quote unquote threats to democracy in the U.S. They're often tied to election legislation. What do you think

of the current democracy threat level? Is this yet more clickbaity absurdity? So I think there's always a threat to democracy. Democracy is in decline globally, and here in the U.S. it has certainly been eroded in some ways. A lot of powerful people want to maintain power, sometimes by any means necessary, and it's up to our checks and balances to ensure that we are always electing our representatives. It's also up to us. As always, though, I think the greatest threat to democracy is apathy of voters followed closely by restrictions on their right to vote. So, is it clickbaity absurdity? Sometimes, sure. Comparisons of George's new voting laws to Jim Crow were obviously overblown, but George's

record turnout this year doesn't mean the state is making voting more accessible. It could even mean the mere threat of voter suppression drove massive turnout, which studies have documented repeatedly. It's why I've said things like voter ID laws don't necessarily diminish turnout. But there are also fractures. Studies showing a declining democracy in America tend to focus on Trump questioning the 2020 election and crackdowns on civil disobedience, that is, protests in the streets. The U.S. is still a high-performing democracy, according to those same evaluations, and they even improved in its indicators of impartial administration of elections in 2020. The Stop the Steal movement obviously concerns me a lot.

Politicians suggesting elections are illegitimate when they lose is always a threat to democracy because democracy fundamentally requires the people believe their votes are being counted fairly. Otherwise, they may resort to political violence and, you know, that's not really democracy in action. This is why films like 2000 Mules and easily disprovable allegations of election fraud frustrate me so much. So I guess it really depends what you're talking about. I think democracy in the U.S. is still healthy, but it's always at risk. I think democracy globally is in retreat, which is genuine cause for concern. And I think the most important part of preserving democracy here and across the globe is us, the voters, the people, demanding that we have it and that we elect our own leaders. All right, that is it for your questions answered, which brings us to a story that matters.

American schoolchildren didn't just fall behind in reading and math skills during the pandemic. Students are, quote, frozen socially and emotionally at the age they were when the pandemic started, according to a new report from the New York Times, which is based on a survey of school counselors from across the country. The Times interviewed 362 school counselors nationwide. 94% of them said students are showing more signs of anxiety and depression than before COVID-19, and 88% said students were having more trouble regulating their emotions. Nearly three-quarters said they were having more trouble solving conflicts with friends. The Times has the story. There's a link to it in today's newsletter.

All right, next up is our numbers section. 20 to 35 is the number of seats Republicans are expected to gain in the House of Representatives this year, according to Cook Political's latest midterm forecast. The increase in the median compensation package for a CEO of an S&P 500 company in 2021 compared to 2020 is 17.1%. The median compensation package for that CEO is $14.5 million. The decrease in college enrollment in the spring of 2022 compared to 2020 is 4.1%. The percentage of Americans who say that in general they believe the laws covering the sale of firearms should be made more strict is 52%. The percentage who say those laws should be kept as they are now is 35%.

The percentage who say laws should be made less strict is 11%. All right, last but not least, our have a nice day story. I love this one. Archaeologists in Egypt said on Monday they have uncovered a trove of ancient artifacts at the Necropolis of Saqqara near Cairo. Some of the mummies and bronze statues found date back 2,500 years. Among the treasures were 250 painted coffins with well-preserved mummies inside, including the first ever complete sealed papyrus document, an ancient material similar to thick

paper that was used for writing. The texts are believed to be ancient Egyptian writing. There were also 150 bronze statues of Egyptian deities and instruments in the find, estimated to be from 500 BC. The Washington Post has the story. There's a link to it in today's newsletter. All right, everybody, that is it for this podcast. Once again, I hope you had a great Memorial Day weekend, and we'll be right back here tomorrow. Same time. Peace. here tomorrow, same time. Peace. Our newsletter is written by Isaac Saul, edited by Bailey Saul, Sean Brady, Ari Weitzman, and produced in conjunction with Tangle's social media manager, Magdalena Bokova, who also helped create our logo. The podcast is edited by Trevor Eichhorn,

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