Tangle - The Venezuelan Election

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Starting point is 00:02:02 we're going to be talking about the Venezuelan elections. What is happening in Venezuela? A lot of people have written in asking us what's going on. We're going to do our best to break that story down. We're going to share some views from the left and the right here in the U.S. and then from some opinion writers in Venezuela, which is always fun. We translated some articles from Spanish to English for inclusion in today's newsletter and podcast. Before we jump in, I do want to give you a quick heads up on something we need some help with. A few weeks ago, a podcast producer approached me about doing a story on Tangle. In our conversation, I discussed Tangle being used

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Starting point is 00:03:22 the subject line, my story. It would be tremendously helpful. Thank you. All right. With that out of the way, we're going to jump into the main pod today. John Law, our handy podcast producer and editor is traveling today. So I'm going to read the full podcast. We have a guest editor who you'll hear about in our credits and we might as well jump right in. First up, we'll start with our quick hits. First up, Hamas's political leader, Ismail Haniyeh, who was involved in ceasefire negotiations, was assassinated in Iran after attending the inauguration of the country's new president. Separately, Israel said it killed a top Hezbollah commander in Lebanon in retaliation for a strike in the Golan Heights that killed 12 young Druze. Number two, Vice President Kamala Harris said

Starting point is 00:04:16 she'll hold a rally with her running mate in Philadelphia next Tuesday, meaning she'll announce the decision in the next six days. Number three, an Israeli court opened an initial hearing for nine soldiers accused of sexually abusing Palestinians at a facility where Israel has held prisoners from Gaza. The investigation has stoked tension between hardline nationalists and Israel's military command. Number four, Project 2025 said its director, Paul Danz, was stepping down from the Heritage Foundation

Starting point is 00:04:43 and it was ending its policy work amid criticisms from former President Donald Trump and Democrats. A reminder, we interviewed Danz for our deep dive on Project 2025, which you can find at readtangle.com. And number five, Carrie Lake narrowly defeated Mark Lamb in Arizona's closely watched Republican Senate primary. Lake will face Democrat Ruben Gallego in November. Violent protests have erupted in Venezuela over allegations that Sunday's presidential election was stolen by the country's authoritarian leader, Nicolas Maduro. Publishing what they say is proof that they got more than double the votes won by Maduro, whose government refuses to publish the official election results, and is now calling the protests an attempted coup. We saw clashes with police as we were covering one of the protests. We saw police

Starting point is 00:05:43 deploying a great deal of tear gas protesters, throwing rocks and canisters back at the police, the arrests taking place. And then throughout the night, we saw the symbolic protests of people saying, we are done with this regime. On Monday, the National Electoral Council, or CNE, of Venezuela announced that President Nicolás Maduro had won Venezuela's presidential election, defeating challenger Edmundo González by a total of 51% to 44%. The results were immediately contested, with leaders from a coalition of opposition parties claiming that vote tallies they received showed González up by 40 points. Protests over the results of the election broke

Starting point is 00:06:21 out in cities across Venezuela, with police deploying tear gas to control a crowd in Caracas, the nation's capital. U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said he had serious concerns that the results did not reflect the will of the Venezuelan people. The recent results have now been deemed fraudulent by Argentina and several U.S. entities, while other neighboring countries have called for an audit. A quick reminder, Venezuela is an oil-rich country in South America, where Nicolás Maduro has served as president for over a decade. The country has suffered economic hardship and hyperinflation during his term,

Starting point is 00:06:54 with the nation's inflation indicator at one point reaching 130,000%. Since 2015, 7.7 million people have fled the country. Maduro first assumed the presidency in an interim role following the death of President Hugo Chavez in 2013 as a member of the far-left United Socialist Party. In a special election later that year, Maduro was elected by a 1.5% margin over challenger Enrique Capriles,

Starting point is 00:07:20 who challenged the results as illegitimate. Maduro was then reelected in 2018, though the result was disputed within Venezuela and abroad, with the U.S. and South American nations deeming the 2018 results fraudulent too. In April, President Joe Biden reintroduced sanctions against Venezuela following a six-month reprieve for the Maduro administration's failure to comply with a deal to allow a fair voting process in this year's election. Opposition parties rallied around Gonzalez after their original candidate, Maria Carino Machado, was barred from running by Venezuela's highest court over claims of financial impropriety when she was a national legislator. Machado had won an opposition-organized

Starting point is 00:08:00 primary with 90% of the vote and remained the face of the opposition movement, campaigning alongside Gonzalez, who is widely viewed as her proxy. Polls showed Gonzalez's Democratic Unitary platform significantly ahead of Maduro's United Socialist Party heading into the election. On Monday, Machado told supporters that the opposition had access to about 70% of the voting tabulations, claiming they showed Gonzalez leading Maduro by over 3 million votes. We won and everyone knows it, said Machado during a news conference. The CNE maintains that the results of the election are legitimate. Maduro condemned the demonstration, saying that Gonzalez is responsible for any violence. Venezuela's allies, including China, Cuba, Russia, and Bolivia, congratulated Maduro for his victory.

Starting point is 00:08:44 In a moment, we'll get into what the left, right, and Venezuelan writers are saying about the election, and then I'll share my take. We'll be right back after this quick break. Are you sure you parked over here? Do you see it anywhere? I think it's back this way. Come on.

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Starting point is 00:10:30 The Washington Post editorial board asks, will democracies fight for Venezuela? Venezuela's years-long crisis has now reached its peak. It demands urgent action from the United States and democracies around the world. In Sunday's general election, the opposition led by Mundo Gonzalez and Maria Carino Machado resoundingly defeated President Nicolás Maduro, but he has fraudulently claimed victory. This blatant attempt at electoral theft cannot stand, the board wrote.

Starting point is 00:10:57 The United States and every nation that values electoral competition, rule of law, and democratic transfer of power has an obligation to recognize that the opposition are the true winners and to demand that Mr. Maduro submit to the will of the people. The stakes are enormous for what was once a prosperous anchor of all Latin America. If Mr. Maduro persists in clinging to power, another million or more may soon depart, creating a wave of desperate new arrivals at the border of its South American neighbors

Starting point is 00:11:24 and eventually the United States. Moreover, the United States made two attempts in recent years, one under President Donald Trump and one under President Biden, to advance democracy against Mr. Maduro's dictatorship. Now, the opposition has united and, at U.S. urging, tried to make the most of the limited and manipulated Democratic opening Mr. Maduro, pressured by U.S. sanctions, permitted. In Counterpunch, Roger Harris argued that Maduro's critics are crying wolf over election fraud. While the U.S. corporate press refers to the opposition as if it were a unified

Starting point is 00:11:54 bloc, eight other names appeared on the ballot. Unlike the U.S., where most of the electorate is polarized around two major parties, the fractious opposition in Venezuela is split into many mutually hostile camps whose dislike of the ruling socialist party is matched by their loathing for each other. And this is despite millions of U.S. taxpayer dollars used to try to unify a cabal that would carry Washington's water, Harris said. The perennial accusations of fraud

Starting point is 00:12:21 trotted out every time the far right gets rebuked by the voting bloc were not reflected by the actions of the people on the ground as evidenced by their wholehearted participation. Far greater than any accusation of fraud manufactured by the far-right opposition is the much more significant interference in the electoral process by Washington. The vote for continuing the Bolivian Revolution represents a mandate for national sovereignty. Venezuelans went to the polls knowing that a vote for the incumbent meant no relief from U.S. unilateral coercive measures.

Starting point is 00:12:51 These so-called sanctions have been part of Washington's failed regime change campaign explicitly designed to asphyxiate the Venezuelan economy and turn the people against their government. All right, that is it for The Left is Saying, which brings us to what the right is saying. The right is skeptical of the election results and criticizes the Biden administration for its deal with Maduro's government. Some say Venezuela will never have free elections as long as Maduro is in power. National Review's editors wrote about Venezuela's stolen election. When Venezuelans went to the polls,

Starting point is 00:13:36 they had no meaningful chance of ending Chavismo's stranglehold on their country. But their efforts were nothing short of heroic. Media reports say that they braved threats of violence and faced gunfire as they lined up to vote, the editors said. Now, the Biden administration must carefully consider its next steps. It is waiting for the Electoral Council to publish precinct-level results or not, and for statements of concern to come in from other governments. There have been a few such statements already, including from Javier Millay and, surprisingly, from the leftist president of Chile, Gabriel Borg. There have been few such statements already,

Starting point is 00:14:05 including from Javier Mele, and surprisingly from the leftist president of Chile, Gabriel Boric. By waiting for the international community to react and for the Maduro regime to publish the election results, the administration is just placing a fig leaf on its latest failed foreign policy. The Biden administration has chosen to enable the regime

Starting point is 00:14:23 for three years through sanctions reliefs, the editors wrote. Administration officials argue that their deal is what got election observers into the country in the first place and made it possible for exit polls to be compiled. But looking at the broad sweep of Biden's staggeringly naive outreach to Venezuela now, it's more obvious than ever that extending any form of relief to Maduro has done more harm than good. In the American Spectator, Scott McKay said our democracy is on display in Venezuela. It was fairly readily apparent that the Maduro regime in Venezuela was not going to allow itself to be turned out of power. That party has been running sham elections for the bulk, if not the entirety of this century, as it has destroyed the rule of law, turned itself into a massive exporter of people, some 8 million immigrants out of a population which used to be around 29 million, and cratered its economy to the tune of an 80% reduction in GDP.

Starting point is 00:15:16 If Venezuelan elections were real, Nicolás Maduro would have long ago been turned out of power, McKay wrote. What's surprising is that Maduro held an election at all. Was it stupid policy to slack off on the sanctions against the Venezuelan regime? Of course not. Was the stupid policy the result of incompetence? Why, no, actually. They made it far more lucrative for Maduro to remain in office than to go away into retirement or exile after the true voice of the people could be heard. And then they're going to act surprised when Maduro's regime does whatever it takes to hang on to power, McKay said. Venezuelans are the leading nationality of the illegal migrants showing up on our border, which is an indication of what our democracy can do. All right, that is it for the left and the right are saying, which brings us

Starting point is 00:15:57 to what writers in Venezuela are saying. Many writers in Venezuela cast doubt on the legitimacy of the election results, expressing fear for the country's future. Some, however, say the claims of fraud are unproven and argue Maduro is the rightful winner. In El Universal, Fernando Nira Urquela wrote about Maduro's victory and uncertainty for Venezuela. A quick note that we translated the following two pieces from the original Spanish. following two pieces from the original Spanish. With a participation of only 59% of the electoral roll made up of 21.3 million Venezuelans, the ruling party's suspicious triumph

Starting point is 00:16:32 immediately spurred rejection from the candidate Edmundo Gonzalez and the entire opposition that he represents, as well as from different international governments, Huela said. The way in which the entire election was carried out was marked by irregularities of all kind, which led to the prediction that the government would not allow defeat, hence the international concern and demand for transparency in the vote.

Starting point is 00:16:54 If it is not possible to legally authorize the new election of Maduro as president, what lies ahead for Venezuela is an even more difficult path than the one it has already taken. On the one hand, social protests were not slow to start and are expected to continue for several days inside and outside Venezuelan territory. This will lead to increased tension between different sectors of the population with predictable repression by the authorities, Orwella said. Furthermore, it cannot be ruled out that migratory flows will increase, although not to the levels of previous years, with the constant migration of hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans seeking better destinations.

Starting point is 00:17:37 In Ultimas Noticias, Oscar Bravo said Venezuela won. The most radical anti-Chavez far right was never going to recognize the election results when, quote-unquote, coincidentally, of the 10 presidential candidates, only the poster boy candidate did not sign the agreement to accept the official bulletins issued by the National Electoral Council. And now they claim, without any conclusive, convincing, and verifiable evidence, that they were robbed of a presidential election that they won by a landslide, Bravo said. Radical political groups do not accept, under any circumstances, that they have lost elections. They will always say that they have won absolutely. And this last presidential election for the

Starting point is 00:18:09 anti-Chavez extremists has not been the exception. They need to create the idea of gigantic fraud committed by the national government as a way of not handing over power by any means for which they are generating all possible conditions to re-establish riots, street violence, and social chaos, Bravo said. However, radical anti-Chavez supporters have a hard time recognizing the powerful political force of Chavismo when they continue to underestimate the capacity for mobilization and electoral processes by a solid and proven vote. All right, that is it for the left and the right, and some writers in Venezuela are saying, which brings us to my take. The election in Venezuela was not free or fair, and Maduro almost certainly did not win the popular vote. Aside from a few far-left commentators whose coverage of the election reads like a mix of antiquated anti-CIA pronunciamento

Starting point is 00:19:11 and Maduro-approved propaganda, this assessment was widely shared across the right and left. That's encouraging because consensus can help create the political will to advance smart, sustainable solutions to aid the millions of Venezuelans struggling under a failed government. Before we dive into what should happen next, I think it's important to note the key points about last weekend's election. First, opposition candidate Edmundo Gonzalez and opposition leader Maria Corina Machado claim they've obtained more than 70% of the vote tally sheets, which they say show Gonzalez doubling Maduro's vote count. These results would align with the findings of pre-election polls that showed Gonzalez

Starting point is 00:19:49 leading Maduro by a significant margin. Election observers, who have a legal right to a copy of each voting machine's tally, allege that some witnesses were blocked from tracking the counts or weren't provided with printed tallies. The Carter Center, one of the few outside groups invited by the Maduro government to observe the vote, says it has been unable to verify the results of the election. Venezuela's Supreme Court's decision to disqualify Machado from running for president was very sketchy, and it's hard not to see it as Maduro trying to prevent the opposition from fielding their strongest candidate. When various opposition groups rallied around a new candidate to replace Machado, the new candidate was similarly barred from running just days before the candidate registration deadline.

Starting point is 00:20:30 Also very suspicious. Maduro's government effectively controls the country's voting system through CNE, a loyal electoral council, and a network of local party coordinators with nearly unrestricted access to voting centers. coordinators with nearly unrestricted access to voting centers. Maduro and his allies say the opposition leaders planned a cyber attack against the country's electoral apparatus during the vote, a likely smokescreen for their delay in releasing the full vote results. During the campaign, the Venezuelan government allegedly closed or inspected 22 businesses after they provided services to Machado. Scores of individuals were reportedly punished for their association with her. Some poll watchers claim that authorities refused to finalize the tally, said stations where opposition candidates won. Others said armed pro-government groups refused to allow them to

Starting point is 00:21:14 leave their polling stations. And before the election, Maduro said there would be a bloodbath if he didn't win. So yes, the election was fraudulent, and the outcome is especially disheartening because Machado, who remained the face was fraudulent, and the outcome is especially disheartening because Machado, who remained the face of the campaign after she was disqualified from running, actually seems like a leader who could have inspired genuine change. Though she calls herself a centrist liberal, Machado is undeniably conservative, praising Margaret Thatcher and backing ideas like privatizing state-owned companies. But her politics are secondary to what she's come to represent to the Venezuelan people,

Starting point is 00:21:47 particularly working-class voters championed by Maduro's predecessor, Hugo Chavez, a real democratic movement. Instead of a fresh start, Venezuela seems headed for more of the same. According to Human Rights Watch, around 19 million people in the country are unable to access adequate healthcare and nutrition,

Starting point is 00:22:03 over 26% of children aren't in school, and more than 15,800 Venezuelans have been subjected to politically motivated arrests since 2014. Roughly one quarter of the country's population has left in the past decade. Millions more could soon follow. The New York Times' Julie Turkowitz observed that only countries in the midst of war experience this kind of mass exodus, and Venezuela is not, at least not yet. Mass migration out of Venezuela is also a problem for the U.S. In 2021, around 545,000 Venezuelan refugees and migrants fled to the U.S. In 2023, border authorities recorded over 65,000 encounters with Venezuelan migrants in just the first four months of the fiscal year. With at least six more years of Maduro, the problem is only likely to worsen.

Starting point is 00:22:50 So what can be done? To date, the answer has been sanctions. The U.S. has imposed sanctions on Venezuela since 2006, and the Trump administration escalated those efforts with the goal of forcing Maduro out of power. Biden largely kept these measures in place until last October, when his administration made a deal to ease sanctions on Venezuela's oil and gas sectors in return for Maduro committing to holding a fair election this year. After Machado was barred from running, Biden reimposed the sanctions. And while Venezuela's economy cratered between 2014 and 2020, Maduro proved adept at holding on to power. However, the pressure strategy hasn't resulted in Maduro loosening his grip. Economically, analysts are mixed on the effect of the sanctions, with some attributing Venezuela's economic strife to Maduro's

Starting point is 00:23:35 mismanagement, while others suggest external factors like changing relationships with surrounding Latin American countries are more impactful. Now, Republicans are calling on Biden to turn the sanctions up to 11. Maduro and major oil companies would be sure to feel the pressure of sanctions on the country's energy sector, but so would the Venezuelan people, all but ensuring their continued migration to the U.S. and Latin American countries. I can understand why some people think that the U.S. should just accept the reality that Maduro is staying in power and work with his government to improve the humanitarian situation, even if it means legitimizing his rule. But

Starting point is 00:24:09 ultimately, I think the U.S. should join an international pressure campaign to force Maduro to recognize the election results and leave office now. If that effort fails, though, the U.S. will need to maintain some relationship with Maduro to prevent the migrant crisis from spiraling further, to maintain some relationship with Maduro to prevent the migrant crisis from spiraling further, and calculated sanctions should still be a factor in that relationship. The temporary unity of the opposition parties around Machado and Gonzalez

Starting point is 00:24:33 makes this a unique moment for the country, and it could be their last chance to oust Maduro and move Venezuela toward a healthier democracy. For now, though, the U.S., along with Brazil, Panama, and other Latin American countries, should continue to demand a full accounting of the vote while working through diplomatic channels to dissuade Maduro from taking escalatory action like jailing Machado. It's hard not to feel despondent about Venezuela's future under Maduro,

Starting point is 00:24:58 but it's clear that Venezuelans will continue fighting for change even when the deck is stacked against them. It's in our interest to have their backs. We'll be right back after this quick break. Working in the trades is intense. It can be stressful and painful. Some guys use drugs and alcohol to cope. But when we ask for help, or we see someone struggling with addiction, our silence speaks volumes. See how you can help or get help at Canada.ca slash ease the burden. A message from the Government of Canada. A message from the flu. It's the first cell-based flu vaccine authorized in Canada for ages six months and older, and it may be available for free in your province. Side effects and allergic reactions can occur, and 100% protection

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Starting point is 00:26:59 So it action on what matters to me? So it depends on what you mean by affecting change, but there are a few tried and true things you can do. First, voting at every level is vitally important. Even if a candidate you don't like or one that you really support seems destined to win an election, the big parties and their funders always notice when a candidate overperforms or underperforms in an election, so your vote still sends a message there. You can also have a huge impact on down-ballot races, especially at the local level, where a handful of votes can make a big difference. If you're involved with an issue group that rallies around a cause, you can influence outcomes by working with local or state politicians on your issue. In fact, over time, you'll probably get local politicians to come to your group for an endorsement. My advice is always start with your neighbors and

Starting point is 00:27:49 work out from there. Lastly, you can move the needle with all the boring stuff, calling representatives, sending letters, emailing your party's local chair. I hear from readers all the time complaining about our political system, and I think many of these complaints are well-founded. But I think you'd be surprised how reactive the system can be once you really roll up your sleeves and get involved, especially if you are working with a group. There is genuine power in numbers, so don't be afraid to organize meetups or try to bring people together who care about the same issues you do. All right, that is it for your reader question, which brings us to our Under the Radar section. Kamala Harris has a host of high-profile billionaire backers in the world of corporate

Starting point is 00:28:32 finance, despite her sometimes contentious relationship with Wall Street. Among the most well-known are Blackstone president Jonathan Gray, Avenue Capital Management CEO Mark Larsi, and hedge fund baron George Soros. Recently, Harris pressed Wall Street donors to make their donations as soon as possible, a message they believe means she is going to tap a current governor for vice president because there is a financial rule that bars contributions to tickets featuring a sitting governor. Forbes and Axios have the stories, and there are links to those in our episode description. Forbes and Axios have the stories, and there are links to those in our episode description.

Starting point is 00:29:11 All right, next up is our numbers section. The percentage of Venezuelan voters who say they supported opposition candidate Edmundo Gonzalez in Sunday's election is 65%, according to exit polling by Edison Research. The percentage of Venezuelan voters who said they supported Venezuelan president Nicolás Maduro in the election was 31%. The confirmed number of deaths resulting from protests of the election results in Venezuela was 11. The approximate number of arrests that have been made during the protests is 750. Maduro's approval rating in 2015 was 30%, roughly one year into his first term. His approval rating in 2018 was 24%. The percentage of Venezuelans who said they have confidence in the honesty of their elections is 26%. That's

Starting point is 00:29:51 down from 59% in 2012, according to a 2023 Gallup poll. Finally, the percentage of Venezuelans who say they would like to permanently move to another country is 27%. permanently move to another country is 27%. All right, and last but not least, our have a nice day story. A recent study indicated that primary care doctors can identify Alzheimer's using blood tests, marking an important step towards faster diagnoses and earlier treatment for patients.

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Tangle - The Venezuelan Election

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