Tangle - The war in Iran expands.

Episode Date: March 5, 2026

On Thursday, the conflict in Iran, which began over the weekend with U.S. and Israeli airstrikes that resulted in the death of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, some members of his family, and several other top Iranian officials, continued into a sixth day. Since the initial strikes on Saturday, Israel has ramped up its attacks, with heavy strikes against Hezbollah in Lebanon and Iranian military infrastructure in Tehran. As part of Operation Epic Fury, the U.S. military has struck nearly 2,000 targets in Iran and “struck or sunk” over 20 Iranian ships, according to U.S. Central Command. According to human rights group HRANA, more than 1,000 civilians— including 181 children under the age of ten — have died so far in the conflict. Ad-free podcasts are here!To listen to this podcast ad-free, and to enjoy our subscriber only premium content, go to ReadTangle.com to sign up!Further viewing.In yesterday’s Suspension of the Rules podcast, Isaac, Ari and Kmele discuss the argument for the Iran war, the primary results in Texas, and the “Good guy of the week” — Sen. John Kennedy. You can watch the whole thing on YouTube.You can read today's podcast⁠ ⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠, our “Under the Radar” story ⁠here and today’s “Have a nice day” story ⁠here⁠.You can subscribe to Tangle by clicking here or drop something in our tip jar by clicking here. Take the survey: How has your life been impacted since the U.S. launched a direct attack on Iran? Let us know.Our Executive Editor and Founder is Isaac Saul. Our Executive Producer is Jon Lall.This podcast was written by: Ari Weitzman and audio edited and mixed by Dewey Thomas. Music for the podcast was produced by Diet 75.Our newsletter is edited by Managing Editor Ari Weitzman, Senior Editor Will Kaback, Lindsey Knuth, Bailey Saul, and Audrey Moorehead. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

From executive producer Isaac Saul, this is Tangle. Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening, and welcome to the Tangle podcast, the place where you get views from across the political spectrum, some independent thinking and a little bit of RU take. I'm your host for today, managing editor Ari Weitzman. Today's topic is the ongoing conflict in Iran. We're going to do our normal thing, break down what the left and right are saying about the ongoing conflict. and I'll be right back for my take and an answer to a reader question. Before you started, I want to tell you about a Friday edition that's going to be coming out tomorrow for paid listeners and paid readers only. It's coming from our associate editor, Audrey Moorhead,

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Here are your quick hits for today. First up, Turkey's defense ministry said that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization defense systems intercepted an Iranian ballistic missile headed toward Turkey's airspace. Number two, Senator Steve Daines, the Republican from Montana, announced that he will not run for re-election and retire at the end of his current term. He is the sixth sitting Republican senator not to seek re-election in 2026. Number three, the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee voted 24 to 19 to subpoena Attorney General Pam Bondi, demanding she appear to testify as part of the committee's investigation into files related to convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

Number four, the House Ethics Committee launched an investigation into allegations of sexual misconduct against Representative Tony Gonzalez, the Republican from Texas. On Wednesday, Gonzalez confirmed that he had an affair with a staffer who later committed suicide. calling the affair a lapse in judgment. And number five, a federal judge ruled that companies that paid tariffs levied under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act were due refunds from the federal government, citing the Supreme Court's ruling in February, striking down the IEPA tariffs. But we begin with the latest from Iran and plans from the U.S. to strike even deeper into the country. Israel, launching a new wave of strikes across Tehran and an attempt by Congress to stop it all was shut down. Tonight, unclassified video shared by the Pentagon shows a U.S. submarine sink in Iranian ship, marking the first sinking of an enemy vessel by a torpedo since World War II.

Four days in, we have only just begun to fight. On Thursday, the conflict in Iran, which began over the weekend with U.S. and Israeli airstrikes that resulted in the death of supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khomeini, some members of his family, and several other top Iranian officials, continued into a sixth day. Since the initial strikes on Saturday, Israel has ramped up its attacks with heavy strikes against Hezbollah in Lebanon and Iranian military infrastructure in Tehran. As part of Operation Epic Fury, the U.S. military has struck nearly 2,000 targets in Iran

and struck or sunk over 20 Iranian ships, according to U.S. Central Command. According to Human Rights Group, HRANA, more than 1,000 civilians, including 181 children under the age of 10, have died so far in the conflict. Iran has retaliated with its own attacks, launching airstrikes against Israel and targeting U.S. bases and other sites across several Gulf nations, including Iraq, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, and Jordan. The fighting has displaced thousands of civilians, disrupted international shipping routes, and impacted market activity.

U.S. crude oil prices soared on Tuesday and then eased after President Trump announced a plan to escort and ensure tankers traveling through the strait of Hermuz. Additionally, following drone strikes and attempted strikes on U.S. diplomatic facilities, the State Department ordered non-essential personnel and their families to depart from several posts in the region and urged American citizens to immediately leave countries across the region. The White House has framed the operation as both an effort to degrade Iranian nuclear capability and end the threat posed by the country's repressive regime. President Donald Trump has said that many of the replacement leaders he had in mind had been killed in the strikes.

and when asked on Tuesday about U.S.-based opposition leader Reza Pahlavi taking over, he said, somebody from within maybe would be more appropriate. On Tuesday, senior clerics responsible for choosing Khomeini's successor reportedly named Khomeini's eldest son, Mostaba, as their top pick for the country's next supreme leader. As of Thursday morning, no successor has been officially announced. Several U.S. officials have signaled their intent to continue attacks in Iran. At a Pentagon briefing on Wednesday morning, Defense Secretary Pete Hegeseth said that the U.S. military is accelerating, not decelerating.

Additionally, on Wednesday, Joint Chiefs Chairman General Dan Cain said, the U.S. will continue striking Iran and expand its attacks further into the country to create additional freedom of maneuver for U.S. forces. He added that Iran's missile launches have dropped sharply since fighting began, down 86% from Saturday, and reduced by an additional 23% in the past 24 hours. On Wednesday, the Senate voted 47 to 53 to reject a war powers resolution that would have required U.S. forces to withdraw from the operation until Congress granted approval. Senators John Federman and Rand Paul were the only senators to break with their parties in the vote.

The House is expected to vote on a similar resolution on Thursday. Today, we'll share perspectives from the left and the right on the ongoing conflict, and then managing editor Ari Weitzman will offer his take. We'll be right back after this quick break. All right, first up, let's start with what the left is saying. Many on the left ask about Trump's strategy after the initial strikes. Some criticized the administration for seemingly allowing Israel to dictate the terms of the conflict. Others say Congress must reign in the president's war powers.

The Bloomberg editorial ward wrote, Iran's strikes won't succeed without a real strategy. The airstrikes now raining down in Iran, a joint U.S.-Israeli effort that quickly eliminated Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khomeini and other high-ranking officials have no doubt been well-plained. yet it remains entirely unclear why they were necessary, the board said. After last year's airstrikes, the regime is further from a nuclear bomb than it's been in years, and the Pentagon estimates it couldn't build an arsenal of missiles capable of reaching the U.S.

for a decade. No imminent threat required such force. There's virtually no evidence that airstrikes alone can topple a regime as entrenched as Iran's, even if the U.S. and Israel end operations in a few days without suffering major casualties, most retaliatory strikes are intercepted, and Iranian military and nuclear capabilities are severely degraded. Hardliners from the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps would still have a far better chance of ceasing power than unarmed and leaderless civilians, the board wrote. Without a clearer plan for what comes next, the U.S. risks an outcome that will be worse for

Iranians and quite likely for Americans too. In the nation, Jack Murchinson said the Iran War could be catastrophic for the U.S.-Israel alliance. good. Trump's ever-shifting justifications for his war on Iran are breathtaking. Every few hours seems to be a new explanation for why the United States and Israel decided that it was a good time to launch an illegal, unprovoked, open-ended assault on another country, Merkinson, there's just one problem. Other people are also talking about why we're suddenly at war, and a lot of them are giving the same reason, because Israel wanted it. That has the potential to erode

both the U.S.-Israeli relationship and Israel's already shaky standing with the American people. It is, for want of a better phrase, an extremely bad look for top U.S. government officials to be sending the message that the reason this country finds itself plunged into a bloody, spiraling conflict with no clear justification, no legal authority, and no end in sight is because a different country had a war itch it needed to scratch, Berkinson said. The implication that Israel is the driving force behind a deeply unpleasured, popular war with Iran only bolsters the truth that more and more people have come to understand over the past two years of genocide and repression, that time and again, the United States does

terrible things, both domestically and internationally, in service of its alliance with Israel. In Fox News, Representative Ro Khanna, the Democrat from California, argued Congress must reclaim war powers from an out-of-control Trump over Iran. As James Madison wrote, war is in fact the true nurse of executive aggrandizement. That's why they entrusted the authority of war and peace fully and exclusively to the people's representatives in Congress, not the president, Connor wrote. Trump once seemed to understand this. In his 2024 election night victory speech, Trump promised, I'm not going to start a war. I'm going to stop wars. The administration is now promoting a new set of lies, including the false claim that U.S. Israeli airstrikes were actually

preemptive. The longer this war drags on, the more dangerous it becomes. Iran is a complex society of 90 million people, more than three times larger than Iraq in area and more than triple its population when we invaded Iraq in 2003. Top U.S. military advisors warned that with limited stocks of air defense systems, American and Israeli forces will be forced to absorb incoming fire from Iran's missile arsenal in the coming days and weeks, Kana said. After decades of wars launched by presidents of both parties. It's time for Congress to build a new bipartisan majority. Congress must reclaim these war authorities from an out-of-control executive branch. All right, that is for what the left is saying, which brings us to what the right is saying.

Many on the right say the conflict is progressing favorably for the U.S. so far. Some suggest the risk of a prolonged, costly war is growing. Others argue Trump acted within his authority in launching the operation. In the Wall Street Journal, Gerald Baker made the case for cautious, optimism about Trump's war in Iran. Few regimes have been undermined in the way Tehans has been in the past two years, Baker wrote. It has just witnessed the awesome combination of a U.S.-Israeli intelligence and military

capability pulverized its supreme leader of almost four decades and much of his leadership team. It has seen the countries that vowed to destroy rain down fire and destruction on its military facilities for a year, its top military commanders taken out with breathtaking precision, its conventional and nuclear facilities badly damaged, its air defenses essentially destroyed. It has watched as its close ally in Syria was overthrown in a civil war. Its proxies in Gaza and Lebanon decimated. So if regime change doesn't come now, what kind of regime survives?

Leaderless, impoverished, isolated, besieged, mostly disarmed, is Iran likely to be stronger after being on the receiving end of a campaign from the most technologically sophisticated and best-equipped militaries in the world bigger? said. There are risks, and news of the first U.S. casualties reminds us that the costs are dear, but for an opportunistic precedent, there may never be a better opportunity. In the American conservative, Andrew Day wrote in Iran, Trump's luck runs out. In his second term, Trump's cabinet members and enthusiastic supporters have tended to see him as a quasi-mystical being whose political and financial success bespeaks a preternatural ability to rack up victories and defeat enemies. The

perception intensified following the successful military raid in Venezuela this January day, said. Evidently, Trump still feels he's got the mightest touch, that he's a geopolitical savant who can eliminate the dastardly Islamic Republic and bring freedom to Iranians, his professed top priority in launching the war. But the results of the combat operations thus far don't inspire confidence that a golden age is dawning in the Middle East. Indeed, after the joint U.S. Israeli attack began early Saturday, Tehan started blowing up the Middle East. hitting U.S. bases as well as civilians and commercial targets. In airports and city centers and energy markets, mayhem ensued, Day wrote. Knocking the bejesus out of Iran is easy,

and no one doubts the U.S. possesses enough air and sea power to escalate, but military action needs to serve a coherent political strategy, and so far, the administration hasn't shown any signs of having formulated one. In National Review, John Yu said Congress had plenty of opportunities to stop the Iran strikes. Congress had every opportunity to stop Trump's Iran policy. Trump had not only telegraphed for weeks that these attacks were in the offing, but he had already launched attacks on Iran's nuclear facilities in June, you wrote. The controversy over ICE operations in Minneapolis shows that Congress knows full well

how to stop presidential initiatives, at least when it really wishes to do so. Though only a minority in the House and Senate, Democrats prevented any appropriations from passing, effectively shutting down much of the government. Operation Epic Fury rests on the same core presidential authority over national security at a time when Iran's nuclear ambitions, ballistic missile development, and support for proxies were converging, and when the window of opportunity was closing. Faced with those circumstances, Trump, as Commander-in-Chief, determined there was no responsible alternative to the use of force, you said.

If Congress disagrees, it has the tools that the framers gave it, the power of the purse, the power to impeach, and the power to appeal to the American people. But the Constitution does not require the precedent to wait for Congress before acting against a foreign threat. All right, let's out of it to Ari for his take. All right, that's it for what the left and right are saying, which brings me to my take. Taken altogether, the opinion pages of news outlets across the political spectrum are telling the story of this war pretty well. The Wall Street Journal editorial board wrote The War and, yes, despite the lack of congressional authority, if we're deploying carrier groups and exchanging fire for a full week, then you can call it a war.

It has been remarkably successful so far. Ayatollah Ali Khomeini and his top generals have been killed. The regime that has allied itself with Russia and China enchanted death to America for years is getting punched in the mouth, and the U.S. has suffered relatively few casualties. As PJ Media's David Mani wrote, Iran's missile stores are being rapidly depleted. And despite what you may have been led to believe by critics in the media, like Isaac, and like me, the latest polling suggests between 41% and 50% of Americans approve of Operation Epic Fury, rating higher than what's enjoyed by most federal departments.

And yet, even as the military takes out Iranian assets, the administration's goals have been mercurial at best. As recent Matthew Petty wrote, the United States says it's going into Iran to destroy a nuclear weapon system that was already destroyed, but also to quickly decapitate a despotic regime, which has already been recapat, which has already been recapitated, but also to ensure the freedom of the Iranian people, something the military cannot deliver through bombs alone. Depending on when and whom you ask, you get different answers. Already, six service members stationed in Kuwait have died, and as Vox as Eric Levitz wrote,

the war is going to incur additional costs on top of Iranian and American lives. The price of gasoline in the U.S. is rising, and U.S. allies in the region are being hit. Furthermore, as the American prospects Ryan Cooper wrote, the war costs actual dollars to wage too. By some estimates, the first 24 hours cost $779 million. And as the dispatches Jonathan Rui opined, the worst is yet to come. You can expect Iran to broaden the fight regionally in an effort to expend U.S. and Israeli weaponry. and for the trillion-dollar U.S. military to ask for even more money. The Atlantic's Adam Surer rightly noted that only Congress has the power to declare war.

Not the president, but as CNN, Zachary Wolfe reminded us, presidents have been routinely waging military actions for decades. Without congressional oversight. And as national reviews John U affirmed, members of Congress have been all too willing to allow the president to do their jobs for them. Taken together, these writers weave a convincing narrative on a complicated issue. The U.S. military appears to be accomplishing its goals with breathtaking efficiency, but its goals are not clearly defined of the public, and its efforts are quite costly,

perhaps even illegal. However, the narrative, as I told it, feels uncomfortably incomplete. Above, I named dropped eight different people. Those eight people are intelligent and represent views from across the political spectrum, all with sincere conviction and belief they came to honestly. Yet, as far as I can tell, none of them have served any time in the U.S. military. Neither have I. Neither has anybody on Tango staff. And that's not a poor sample either. While veterans and service members comprise roughly 6% of the general population, only 2% of media workers are military veterans. What's more,

these views only represent one side of the conflict. Iran is an enormous and diverse country of 93 million people. Some of them cheer into the streets when Ayatollah Ali Khan was killed, while others mourned. Some are eager to start a new chapter. Others are trepidacious, and others still are terrified. And that is only a part of the spectrum of reactions coming from the residents of a country where this war is actually being waged, very far from American shores. I can't help but feel deeply unsettled by how the opinions that are shaping public sentiment on this war are so far removed from those tasked with carrying it out, or for that matter, the Iranian civilians on the receiving end of our firepower. It just seems strange to me that I can read for hours on end about a war of the United States military is involved in

and not come away with any real understanding of how the entire thing is impacting the people who actually are waging it. So I have to ask, what do those who have actually served in the armed forces thing? Among veterans, the current war brings on mixed emotions. A recent Fox News poll showed that 59% of veterans support the war in Iran, a number very similar to the group's job approval of President Trump. However, only 37% of veterans said Trump's actions in Iran have made the country safer. Compared to 44% who said they have made the U.S. less safe.

It's fair to say that most veterans are optimistic about the prospect of confronting the region's largest sponsor of terror head on, but some are also deeply concerned about doing so without a plan and without congressional oversight. Alex Plitzis, a former Army staff sergeant who deployed to Iraq in 2008, highlighted the risk of a drawn-out conflict while talking to Task and Purpose, an online publication for the military community. Plitzis said, even if there was a noble mission to seek justice for 9-11 in Afghanistan, the protracted conflict afterwards with mission creep or the lack of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq,

and the subsequent loss of lives and destruction has caused a lot of moral injury and PTSD among the veterans community. puts us one on to say, but at the same time, Iran again has been a party to this conflict over the last 25 years, albeit in the background providing lethal aid and support to a number of non-state actors who are engaged in fighting against the United States and responsible for hundreds of U.S. deaths. Some veterans also seem to hold suspicion about the failure to produce a declaration of war from Congress, or even so much as an authorization for use of military force, leaning to deep-seated fears that another forever war could be on the horizon. If force is used, it must be tied to a strategy that protects American service members,

advances our core national interests, and avoids another open-ended conflict, said John Vic, executive director of the Conservative Veterans Group, concerned veterans for America. Vic continued, it is essential the elected leaders in Washington debate and vote on these actions in line with the Constitution. As members of the media, we get to ask pointed questions about military actions. It's our job to ask. But in this era, we were afforded an almost incomprehensible luxury to work unimpeded by the effects of those actions. We take for granted that our country can just decide to drop bombs in another country without an industrial overhaul to produce those bombs,

a draft to bring more people into the armed services, or call to the populace that tighten our belts and pitch in. That's a societal anomaly over the broad sweep of history. Admiral Brad Cooper, commander of U.S. Central Command, gave a summary two days ago on Operation Epic Fury in Iran. I highly recommend watching his five-minute update, which is informative and professional. According to Admiral Cooper, at the time that he gave his announcement, 17 Iranian ships had been destroyed, that number may be now over 20, including every Iranian ship in the Persian Gulf. Cooper says that a total of 50,000 troops are supporting the effort, and it bears repeating. six service members have already died in Kuwait. 50,000 troops, six dead.

By way of comparison, 73,000 U.S. troops stormed the beaches of Normandy on June 6, 1944. 2,501 were killed on that day, which drew the eyes of the world to northern France. Today, the U.S. military can deploy a force similar in size, and most of the country will barely flinch. I feel deeply conflicted about this dynamic. On the one hand, we civilians are incredibly,

blessed to be shielded from the bloody side of geopolitics, thanks to the service of our military personnel. That speaks to the decades of development and excellence of our own forces, and we should be extremely grateful for that. But on the other hand, I think it's far too easy to feel disconnected from that service. And that disconnect scares me. What decisions will our government make when most of the country is so well insulated from the impacts of those choices? As this war continues, it will be tempting to think of its costs in terms of economic disruption, oil prices, and approval ratings. In reality, half the world away, a country with a population of 93 million people will have its fate impacted by how we deploy a standing army of roughly 1.3 million people. The most immediate cost will be paid by hundreds of millions of people in the Middle East, and they will be felt and witnessed by an even smaller contingent of several thousand uniformed personnel.

I worry that as a voting public, we're trying to understand a war that we can't really feel. I worry that we can only interpret major events through a partisan lens and will only react to matters of life and death and global stability as if we're watching characters and a TV show. And more than anything, I worry that the vast majority of the country that's composed of civilians would not be able to appreciate the actual on-the-ground costs being paid in blood and lives. We'll be right back after this quick break. And that's it for my take today, which brings us to your questions answered.

Today's question comes from Kathy, from Blanco, Texas, and Kathy asks, in light of the attack on Iran, what is Congress doing about the shutdown? I feel like this has been forgotten news, even though it impacts many people. As a quick reminder, the Department of Homeland Security is partially shut down as Congress debates its funding levels for the next fiscal year. DHS contains the immigration enforcement agencies, Customs and Border Patrol, or CBP, and Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE. Democrats have been pushing for reforms to those agencies' activities before funding the department. However, both agencies receive specific funding in last year's one big, beautiful bill act, and are still operational,

while the rest of DHS, which includes the Federal Emergency Management Agency, or FEMA, the U.S. Coast Guard, and the Transportation Security Administration, or TSA, is facing difficulties. FEMA's operational budget is becoming stressed. civilians of the Coast Guard are receiving delayed pay, and TSA agents will miss their first round of paychecks this week. Two recent developments show how far Republicans and Democrats in the Senate are from reaching a deal to end the DHS shutdown. First, Republicans have advanced the vote on the funding package that Democrats already denied last month, and second, Democrats continue to say they won't relent on their demands to make funding the department contingent on ICE and CBP reforms. However, two other developments show that Democrats might be getting more leverage for a deal.

First, DHS Secretary Christy Knoem faced stern questions from the Senate Judiciary Committee on Tuesday about DHS's enforcement in Minnesota, showing that some Republicans, notably Senators John Kennedy and Tom Tillis, were losing patience with Noam's leadership. Second, Senate Majority Leader John Thune indicated that Republicans might be willing to reallocate some funding from ICE and CBP during the shutdown, to continue to pay for operations across the rest of the department. Altogether, the Senate doesn't appear ready to fund DHS any time of the next week. But agreements of priorities could provide common ground to pass funding that both sides could agree to.

Okay, that's it for your questions answered. So I'll send it back over to John for the rest of the pod. Thanks, Ari. Here's her under the radar story for today, folks. On Tuesday, a jury in Georgia found the father of a mass shooter guilty on 27 charges including second-degree murder. Colin Gray's son allegedly killed two of his classmates and two teachers in a shooting at Appalachie High School in September 2024.

In bringing charges against a suspect's father, prosecutors cited the case of James and Jennifer Crumbly, who were convicted of involuntary manslaughter in connection to a school shooting carried out by their son in 2021. Barrow County District Attorney Brad Smith said Colin Gray's wife raised a crumbly case with her husband before the shooting, advising him to take away their son's guns. Gray now faces up to 243 years in prison. NBC News has this story, and there's a link in today's episode description. And last but not least, our have a nice day story.

Floriana Island in Ecuador's Galapagos Archipelago was once home to thousands of giant tortoises, but the last of the species were removed from the island roughly 150 years ago. In February, they made a triumphant return with 158 juvenile tortoises released back into the habitat. The reintroduction plan will release 700 total giant tortoises over time, who will join the abundant plant and animal species on the island. The Associated Press has this story, and there's a link in today's episode description. All right, everybody, that is it for today's episode. As always, if you'd like to support our work, please go to reetangle.com,

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