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Episode Date: December 21, 2023Trump and the Colorado Supreme Court. On Tuesday, the Colorado Supreme Court ruled 4-3 that Donald Trump cannot appear on the 2024 presidential primary ballot because of his actions on January 6, 2021.... In the first ruling of its kind in American history, the court sided with a group of voters who argued that Trump is disqualified from elected office under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.You can read today's podcast here, our “Under the Radar” story here, and today’s “Have a nice day” story here. You can also check out our latest videos, an interview with financial commentator Kyla Scanlon here.Today’s clickables: Quick hits (1:04), Today’s story (3:19), Right’s take (7:36), Left’s take (11:26), Isaac’s take (14:51), Listener question (21:26), Under the Radar (23:13), Numbers (24:24), Have a nice day (25:38), A quick note and a special signoff (26:28) You can subscribe to Tangle by clicking here or drop something in our tip jar by clicking here. Take the poll. What do you think of the Colorado Supreme Court's decision? Let us know!Our podcast is written by Isaac Saul and edited and engineered by Jon Lall. Music for the podcast was produced by Diet 75. Our newsletter is edited by Managing Editor Ari Weitzman, Will Kaback, Bailey Saul, Sean Brady, and produced in conjunction with Tangle’s social media manager Magdalena Bokowa, who also created our logo.--- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/tanglenews/message Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening, and welcome to the Tangle Podcast,
the place we get views from across the political spectrum, some independent thinking,
and a little bit of my take. I'm your host, Isaac Saul. Today is Thursday, December 21st, and we are covering maybe one of the biggest stories of the year. I think arguably the biggest story
of the year. Donald Trump has been ruled ineligible for the 2024 election by the Colorado
State Supreme Court. We're going to talk about exactly what they said, how they got there,
and then as always, share some views from the left and the right. Before we jump in though,
as always, we're going to kick things off with some quick hits. First up, China's President Xi Jinping told President Biden last month that he
plans to reunify with Taiwan and prefers to assume control peacefully, according to a new report.
Number two, former President Donald Trump asked the
United States Supreme Court to delay considering whether he is immune from federal prosecution in
the Justice Department's election interference case, while an appeals court considers the
question. Number three, the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry said the death toll has now surpassed
20,000 people in Gaza, while roughly 134 Israeli soldiers have been killed and 1,400 people
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those deaths, which can be found with a link in today's episode description. Number four,
separately, President Biden told reporters that he does not expect a new hostage deal between Israel
and Hamas soon, but said that the United States is pushing for one.
Number five, the United States released a close ally of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro from
prison in exchange for 10 Americans in prison in Venezuela, as well as a former Navy contractor
who organized a bribery scandal and was a fugitive from the U.S. government. Let's turn now to some breaking news in the 2024 presidential election, a ruling just
coming down from Colorado's Supreme Court. The majority of the justices in the state declared
Donald Trump is ineligible, saying he should not be
allowed on the state's primary ballot. The Colorado Supreme Court has ruled former President Donald
Trump is not eligible to be on the state's primary ballot and is in fact disqualified
from being president again. In a four to three decision, the court ruled Trump violated the U.S.
Constitution by inciting the mob that attacked the Capitol on January 6th.
This morning, former President Trump is vowing to appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court
after Colorado's high court ruled he is not eligible to be on the state's ballot
because of his role in the January 6th insurrection.
They want to silence me because I will never let them silence you. And in the end,
they're not after me. They're after you.
On Tuesday, the Colorado Supreme Court ruled four to three that Donald Trump cannot appear
on the 2024 presidential primary ballot because of his actions on January 6th, 2021. In the first
ruling of its kind in American history, the court sided with a group of voters who argued that Trump is disqualified from elected office under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. The clause, which was
enacted in 1866 after the Civil War, said that no person shall be a senator or representative in
Congress or elector of president and vice president or hold any office, civil or military,
under the United States who has engaged in insurrection or
rebellion against the same or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. The majority found that
Trump incited and encouraged the use of violence and lawless action to disrupt the peaceful transfer
of power on January 6th. Prior to this ruling, Trump had prevailed in a number of cases where
voters tried to remove him from state primary ballots under Section 3. Just last month, Minnesota Supreme Court rejected a bid to remove him from
the primary ballot, while a judge in Michigan ruled that the issue was a political question
that could not be resolved by the courts. A Colorado State District judge had ruled last
month that Trump did engage in insurrection, but stopped short of removing him from the ballot,
saying that the 14th Amendment's disqualification clause did not apply to the presidency. That ruling was appealed
to Colorado's Supreme Court, which found that the 14th Amendment does apply to the presidency
and agreed that Trump participated in an insurrection. While Trump lost Colorado in
both 2020 and 2016, and the state is not critical for his general election chances,
the ruling could
give momentum to other 14th Amendment challenges underway across the country. At least 16 other
states have pending legal challenges to remove Trump from the ballot on the same grounds.
We are mindful of the magnitude and weight of the questions now before us, the court's majority
opinion said. We are likewise mindful of our solemn duty to apply the law without fear or
favor and without being swayed by public reaction to the decisions that the law mandates we reach.
President Trump did not merely incite the insurrection. Even when the siege on the
Capitol was fully underway, he continued to support it. These actions constituted overt,
voluntary, and direct participation in the insurrection. The ruling applies to both the
general election as well as the Republican primary. Trump's campaign promised to appeal,
and the United States Supreme Court is expected to quickly intervene and resolve the argument.
During the appeal, Trump will remain on the ballot in Colorado, though the state said the
issue must be resolved before January 5th, the day primary ballots need to be printed.
The Republican primary is scheduled for March 5th. the day primary ballots need to be printed. The Republican primary is scheduled
for March 5th. The ruling drew immediate outrage from Trump's campaign, which called it completely
flawed. His team also began fundraising on the news with an email blast to supporters.
Democrat Party leaders are in a state of paranoia over the growing dominant lead
President Trump has amassed in the polls, Trump spokesperson Stephen Chung said.
They have lost faith in the
failed Biden presidency and are now doing everything they can to stop American voters
from throwing them out of office next November. Meanwhile, every one of Trump's remaining rivals
in the Republican primary criticized the ruling, either pledging to drop out of Colorado's primary
or saying the decision should be left up to the voters. All seven justices on Colorado's Supreme
Court are Democratic appointees. The three justices who wrote in dissent argued that the state's election
code is not the avenue for finding guilt of insurrection, noted that Trump has never been
criminally charged for insurrection, and warned that this ruling could violate his due process
rights. Even if we were convinced that a candidate committed horrible acts in the past, dare I say,
engaged in insurrection, there must be procedural due process before we are convinced that a candidate committed horrible acts in the past, dare I say engaged in insurrection,
there must be procedural due process before we can declare that individual disqualified from holding public office,
Justice Carl Samore wrote in dissenting opinion.
Separately, the Supreme Court is already considering whether Trump is immune from prosecution for his actions on January 6th
in the election interference case being brought by special counsel Jack Smith.
Today, we're going to take a look at some opinions from the right and the left on the case,
and then my take.
We'll be right back after this quick commercial break.
First up, we'll start with what the right is saying.
The right is disgusted by the decision and says the Supreme Court should overturn it unanimously.
Some say the Colorado Supreme Court's legal reasoning is deeply flawed and ignores the intent of the 14th Amendment. Others suggest Democrats are becoming the threats to democracy
they claim to fear.
In the New York Post, Jonathan Turley argued that SCOTUS should rule unanimously that the Constitution matters more than defeating Trump at any cost. January 6, 2021 was a riot. That does
not excuse those who committed crimes that day, but it was not an insurrection, Turley wrote.
The majority on the Colorado Supreme Court adopted sweeping interpretations of every element
of the decision to find that Trump not only incited an insurrection, but can be disqualified
under this provision. It does not matter that Trump has never been charged with even incitement
or that he called for his supporters to go to the Capitol to protest peacefully. In finding that
Trump led an actual insurrection, the four justices used speeches going back to 2016 to show an effort to
rebel before Trump was ever president. We need clarity, clarity of purpose and principle. The
Supreme Court plays a unique role in our system at times like these. It must at times defy us in
rejecting racism as cases such as Brown v. Board of Education. At other times, it has protected in
rejecting government overreach as in cases such as Katz v. United States, demanding warrants to overcome the reasonable expectation of privacy.
This is a time where it can unify us, Turley said. The court could help unify this country
in a way that may be unparalleled in its history. It can show that justices who hold vastly different
ideological views can be unified on core principles. National Review's editors wrote
that Colorado forces a 14th Amendment crisis to get Trump. While there are a number of subsidiary
legal questions under Section 3, the biggest problem is that the Colorado court got it wrong
on the merits of the case. While Section 3 was not limited to the Civil War, it was aimed to
disqualify active Confederate rebels and political leaders of the Confederacy from returning to government. Those were people who made war on the United States or materially
supported armies in the field to do so. The original public meaning of Section 3, as illustrated
by decisions of Congress in the late 1860s on whether to seat Southern members, barred only
active participants in an ongoing rebellion, the editor said. The Colorado court ignored the
contemporaneous evidence of how Congress construed its own amendment. It is a serious stretch to
convert Trump's lassitude and a few tweets during the riot into active participation in the riot.
More than some vague tweets ought to be required before depriving tens of millions of Americans
of a candidate who may be their choice. In The American Spectator, Dove Fisher
said the court's decision transcends hypocrisy. Trump claims the 2020 presidential election was
stolen from him. Many of us agree, although we approach the claim differently from how he does,
Fisher said. So, in the face of Trump claiming that Democrats stole the 2020 election from him,
how do the geniuses on the Democrat left proceed to convince all Americans
of all stripes that Trump was not really cheated out of the presidency? Of all the lame-brained
schemes imaginable, they do so by brazenly trying to cheat him out of the 2024 election by denying
him the right to run. Frankly, it is they who repose the foundation of the insurrection.
All it took was three Democrat Colorado governors to name seven Democrat Colorado state Supreme Court justices. And even then, three of those jurors held their noses
while the bare majority of four voted to deny Trump and his 75 million or more voters a fair
and free election in Colorado. Sure, the United States Supreme Court will overthrow this one
before they allow that kangaroo court to overthrow America, but it demonstrates how
close we are to the end of our democracy as we know it.
Alright, that is it for the rightist thing, which brings us to what the left is saying.
The left is split on the validity of the court's reasoning,
though many worry about the precedent
the ruling would set if upheld by the Supreme Court. Some praise the court for using conservative
text-based legal theories to justify its decision. Others say the court's interpretation of the 14th
Amendment is wrong and call on the Supreme Court to overturn its ruling. The Washington Post
editorial board said, not so fast to disqualifying Trump from the ballot.
Obvious as this analysis might seem to citizens appalled at the then-commander-in-chief's conduct
on January 6, 2021, the law is not so clear. The court had to answer yes to a vexing series
of questions. Does Section 3 apply to the presidency? The answer here is probably yes,
the board wrote, yet these puzzles are relatively mundane compared
with the case's most consequential conundrum, whether Trump really did engage in insurrection.
What's missing from the majority's analysis is due process of law. Not only has Mr. Trump not
been convicted of insurrection either by a jury of his peers or from the bench by a judge,
he hasn't even been charged with it, the board added. Disqualifying a candidate based on an accusation, albeit one blessed by a state court judge, is in the Colorado case,
but not in an actual conviction, is dangerous. The potential for abuse is ample.
In The Nation, Ellie Mistal called the court's ruling sharp as hell.
The Colorado Supreme Court has gone and used the conservatives' own obsession with the state's
rights against them, literally. The court quoted Justice Neil Gorsuch in an election law opinion
from when he was a judge on the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals, which oversees Colorado,
Mistal said. Despite the fact that the text of the law, conservative ideology, and some of the
justices' own words are on the side of Colorado in this case, I fully expect the Republicans on
the Supreme Court to ignore all that and restore Trump to the Colorado ballot. You see, the problem with beating
conservatives at their own game is that they don't care about their own rules, Mistal said.
I'm still guilty of believing there is a chance the Supreme Court sides with Colorado.
There's a chance that Gorsuch listens to himself. There's a chance that Roberts' political
preferences are such that he understands the grave threat a second Trump term presidency poses to the country and the Supreme Court's own power.
In Slate, Lawrence Lessig wrote that the Supreme Court must unanimously strike down Trump's ballot
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absurd to exclude the president from the reach of Section 3, because it is plainly not absurd.
Indeed, excluding the president and vice president from the scope of the clause makes Section 3, because it is plainly not absurd. Indeed, excluding the president and
vice president from the scope of the clause makes perfect sense, Lessig said. There's an obvious
reason why the only two nationally elected officers would be excluded from its reach.
It took mere moments after the Colorado Supreme Court's ruling to see why, as Texas Lieutenant
Governor Dan Patrick threatened to remove President Joe Biden from the Texas ballot as retribution.
All this will be enough for the Supreme Court to see why there is no argument from absurdity
that justifies stretching the words of the 14th Amendment to cover this extreme case, Lessig added.
Again, electing Trump would be the worst political decision of the nation since the Civil War,
but excluding him wrongfully by a close vote of the Supreme Court could well trigger the next
Civil War. We must defeat him politically, not through clever lawyer interpretations of him wrongfully by a close vote of the Supreme Court could well trigger the next civil war.
We must defeat him politically, not through clever lawyer interpretations of ambiguous constitutional texts. All right, that is it for what the right and the left are saying, which brings us to my take.
So I think this is the wrong decision legally. I think it is incredibly dangerous politically,
and it will rightfully have close to zero chance of standing up to Supreme Court scrutiny.
First, the legal decision. Every court's job is to act with no or very, very minimal consideration
for politics or public reaction.
So any conversation about this decision should focus on the legal questions first.
The most important of those questions to me, the one that ends this case where it starts,
is that Trump is not guilty of insurrection. He has not even been charged with insurrection.
He has not been found guilty of any federal crime as we sit here today on December 21st,
He's not been found guilty of any federal crime as we sit here today on December 21st, 2023,
nor has he been convicted by any political body of any crime. He was impeached twice,
and the Senate acquitted him twice. The idea that four justices in Colorado have the authority to declare him an insurrectionist and then remove him from the ballot isn't just anti-democratic,
it is, in a legal sense, absurd. Please consider again the words of the
three dissenting justices who advanced this argument in such simple terms that I am unsure
how the four in the majority got around it. Quote, even if we are convinced that a candidate committed
horrible acts in the past, dare I say, engaged in insurrection, there must be procedural due process
before we can declare that individual disqualified from holding public office.
This wasn't just the position of the dissenting justice, but the position of several courts and
judges that have already ruled on similar challenges. Fundamentally, I don't know how
a court can determine someone is ineligible for office due to a crime that no court or jury or
political body has said that they are guilty of. Again, it is worth emphasizing the
Justice Department has charged Trump for his actions on January 6th. His charges are conspiracy
to defraud the United States, conspiracy to obstruct an official government proceeding that
is the tallying of the Electoral College vote, conspiracy against the rights of voters to have
their votes properly counted, and obstructing and attempting to obstruct an official proceeding.
votes properly counted, and obstructing and attempting to obstruct an official proceeding.
First, those are all charges, not convictions. Second, none of those charges is insurrection.
At the absolute worst for Trump, they leave open the possibility of him being accused of insurrection and rebellion. At which point, as former Republican Representative Peter Meyer
from Michigan, who voted to impeach Trump, argued, there is enough ambiguity in the
law for the courts to leave this question to the political process to resolve, that is, to let the
voters decide. The second legal question is whether Section 3 of the 14th Amendment even applies to
Trump. When Trump's team argued this case before the lower state court, and I read that they were
arguing that Section 3 didn't apply to him, I scoffed. My initial reaction was that this was a silly legal strategy. Of course it applies to
the president, I thought. Instead, his legal team should argue that he isn't and has never been
found guilty of insurrection and win the case there. But the lower court ultimately agreed
that Section 3 didn't apply to him, which piqued my interest and made me read more about the
arguments.
And the more I read, the more I was convinced that the lower court was right.
The most obvious point is that the plain text of Section 3 makes no mention of the president.
As Harvard professor Lawrence Lessig wrote, this was not a sloppy omission. Lessig painstakingly explained how we know the 14th Amendment's authors intentionally excluded the offices
of the president or vice president. The decision was, in part, to prevent the chaos of individual states,
like, say, Colorado, trying to throw a presidential race. Rather than being a mistake,
it was a brilliant piece of foresight, and it isn't hard to see why. Shortly after the Colorado
Supreme Court ruling, Texas Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick vowed to remove
Biden from the Texas state ballot. How is that for a sign of things to come? So, legally, it is a
simple fact that Trump has not been found guilty of, or even been charged with, insurrection.
Additionally, I find it convincing that Section 3 intentionally omitted presidents and vice
presidents so states could not do exactly what Colorado is doing.
All of this, of course, is to say absolutely nothing about how the 14th Amendment is a dormant civil war provision written in 1866 to apply to people waging actual war and rebellion against
the United States and is now being wielded to take down Trump. Politically, the decision is even worse.
Everything about it is going to aid Trump
in telling his supporters that the establishment will do anything to stop him. His opponents in
the Republican primary, even Chris Christie, are now all stuck criticizing the Colorado Supreme
Court and insisting that this should be left to voters. The Republican Party is up in arms.
Scores of sensible left-of-center politicians and writers, even those who are ardent Trump
critics like Lessig, are making the obvious points about this being a weak legal case
and a political powder keg.
And, on top of all of that, the Supreme Court is all but guaranteed to come in and overturn
the ruling anyway.
In fact, I'll take this moment to do one of my rare bits of political prognostication
and wager that the high court rules 9-0 in Trump's favor.
All told, this is terrible for our country. Colorado's decision legitimizes a new mechanism
for state actors to try to impede federal elections. It adds state supreme courts to
the list of institutions whose public trust is crumbling, it will throw gas on the fire
of paranoia that burns through homes all across America, and it will ultimately do absolutely
nothing to slow down or stop the person that is supposed to be the threat to democracy.
If anything, it will galvanize his campaign. As I've said before and will say again,
January 6th was a disgrace. It was the first and only non-peaceful transfer of power in United
States history and constitutes one of the worst stains on our nation. We should take
every legal measure possible to prevent it from happening again, because it could be even worse
a second time. Passing reforms to the Electoral Count Act, as Congress recently did, are the right
ways to address what happened, and I support more legislation like it that clarifies Congress's role
in certifying elections. Former President Donald Trump is, by my best guess,
guilty in the classified documents case, and he faces serious legal threats in Georgia's and the
Justice Department's election interference cases. His actions have thrust us into uncharted legal
territory, and he very well may be a federal criminal by inauguration day in 2025. He, of
course, bears responsibility for his decisions. And not for nothing, but nearly
a quarter of Trump voters say he shouldn't be nominated if he gets convicted of a crime.
The justice system is working right now, with the federal cases largely playing out in court
how they should, with this obvious exception. Hopefully, the Supreme Court ends this 14th
Amendment charade, rules that Trump is not
immune from prosecution, and lets the other legal challenges move forward.
Then, the rest will be left up to voters, as it should be.
We'll be right back after this quick break.
break. All right, that is it for my take, which brings us to your questions answered. This one is from Dak in Rhode Island. Dak said, in light of how the media is reporting the war in Gaza and
how your Instagram post was taken down just because it had a certain narrative, would you
consider doing a Friday piece on media and social media bias in this war? So I said most of what I said about the ills of social media censorship in yesterday's
reader question, but if you're interested in reading more, you can check out some of my past
posts on misinformation and censorship that I've published here in Tangle. We'll leave a link to
some of them in today's podcast description. That being said, I did just finish recording a fresh YouTube video about all of the misinformation
about the war in Gaza that is spreading like wildfire on social media.
In my opinion, this is one of the most important videos that we've recorded since we launched
our YouTube channel.
I'm probably going to send an email to everyone when it goes live.
But in the meantime, I encourage you to just go subscribe to our YouTube channel so you'll get it when it's posted. And you can check out our latest video with Kyla Scanlon
while we're putting the finishing touches on our new video. I'm sure, of course, there'll be lots
more to come on all of this. So, you know, stay tuned. All right, that is it for our reader
question, which brings us to our under the radar section.
House Republicans who hated House Speaker Kevin McCarthy's debt deal over the summer
are now using it as leverage in their budget showdown with President Biden.
Six months after the agreement was struck, the GOP hardliners who led the way in removing
McCarthy as speaker for striking the deal recognized that the terms have become favorable
for them.
The McCarthy deal mandates across-the-board cuts or caps to spending if lawmakers can't reach an agreement to fund the government for the fiscal year that ends in October.
Initially, that agreement was going to result in deeper cuts to defense spending than non-defense
spending, a reality conservatives disliked. But non-budget scorekeepers readjusted their
calculations, which now show non-defenseget scorekeepers readjusted their calculations,
which now show non-defense spending would get slashed more deeply than defense spending
if Congress continues to implement temporary continuing resolution spending fixes,
which gives Republicans newfound leverage in negotiating. Thomas Massey, the representative
from Kentucky, called it an ace being dealt to House Speaker Mike Johnson.
Politico has the story and there's
a link to it in today's episode description. All right, next up is our numbers section.
Donald Trump's net increase in GOP primary polls one week after he was indicted in New York City
on charges of falsifying business records in March was plus 4.6. Trump's net
decrease in GOP primary polls one week after he was indicted on federal charges related to his
handling of classified government documents in June was 0.9. Trump's net increase in GOP primary
polls one week after he was indicted on federal charges related to the certification of the 2020 presidential election in August was 0.1. His net decrease in GOP primary polls one week after he was indicted on charges
related to interference in the 2020 presidential election was 0.2. Trump's net increase in GOP
primary polls since his first indictment through December 20th, 2023 is plus 15.8 percentage points. The percentage of Republican
primary voters who say that if Trump wins the primary, he should remain their nominee,
even if he is subsequently convicted of a federal crime, is just 62%. The percentage of all voters
who say Trump should be found guilty if his 2020 election interference case goes to trial is 47%.
election interference case goes to trial is 47%.
All right, and last but not least, our Have a Nice Day section.
The Hopkinsville Police Department in Kentucky recently swore in a new officer,
a pit bull named Bolo. Arriving at the station as part of a publicity program for the nearby Christian County Animal Shelter, Bolo was only meant to stay for a day and contribute his handsome
face to the department's social media posts as a means to help him find a home. But the station
couldn't bear to let him go. Oddly enough, everybody fell in love with him, Police Chief Jason Newby
said. So when it came time for him to go back that day, they got him in his cage and he kind of
dropped his head and whimpered and everybody's heart melted and we decided to adopt him. Now,
Bolo is Hopkinsville's
first ever Paul Troll officer. Good News Network has the story and there's a link to it in today's
episode description. All right, everybody, that is it for today's podcast. Please keep an eye out
for tomorrow's episode. It is a special edition, a little bit of a wrap up on our year
before we take a couple of weeks off. So heads up, that is coming. It's probably going to be a
crazy couple of weeks because they have to rule on this case sometime before January 5th. So
my vacation might get dynamited, but we're going to try and get some time off.
We'll see you soon. Have a good one. Peace. Okay. Phoebe's here.
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