Tangle - Trump strikes the Houthis.

Episode Date: March 18, 2025

Over the weekend, the United States carried out a series of aerial and naval strikes against Yemen’s Houthi rebels. President Donald Trump said the strikes were retaliation for the Houthis’ attacks on commercial shipping in the Red Sea and surrounding waters, adding that the assault would continue until the attacks stopped. At least 53 people, including five children, have been killed by the strikes, according to a Houthi health ministry spokesperson. White House National Security Adviser Mike Waltz said “multiple Houthi leaders” were killed. Ad-free podcasts are here!Many listeners have been asking for an ad-free version of this podcast that they could subscribe to — and we finally launched it. You can go to ReadTangle.com to sign up!You can read today's podcast⁠ ⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠, our “Under the Radar” story ⁠here and today’s “Have a nice day” story ⁠here⁠.Take the survey: What do you think of the U.S. strikes against the Houthi rebels? Let us know!You can subscribe to Tangle by clicking here or drop something in our tip jar by clicking here. Our Executive Editor and Founder is Isaac Saul. Our Executive Producer is Jon Lall.This podcast was written by Isaac Saul and edited and engineered by Dewey Thomas. Music for the podcast was produced by Diet 75.Our newsletter is edited by Managing Editor Ari Weitzman, Senior Editor Will Kaback, Hunter Casperson, Kendall White, Bailey Saul, and Audrey Moorehead. Our logo was created by Magdalena Bokowa, Head of Partnerships and Socials.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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we get views from across the political spectrum, some independent thinking, and a little bit of my take. I'm your host, Isaac Saul, and on today's episode, we're going to be discussing President Donald Trump's strikes in Yemen against the Houthi rebels. I'm going to share some of my very torn up and complicated take on this issue. And of course, we'll share some views from across the political spectrum as well. With that, I'm going to send it over to John to break down today's main topic and I'll be back for my take.

Thanks Isaac, and welcome everybody. Here are your quick hits for today. First up, Israel carried out large-scale airstrikes in Gaza against what it said were Hamas targets. The Hamas-controlled Gaza Ministry of Health said the strikes killed approximately 400 Palestinians, reigniting fighting in Gaza and ending a two-month ceasefire. 2. The Justice Department asked a federal appeals court to replace the district court judge overseeing the case challenging the Trump administration's deportations of alleged

Venezuelan gang members to El Salvador. The Justice Department claims the judge committed an inappropriate exercise of jurisdiction in attempting to pause the deportations. Number three, President Trump said that former President Joe Biden's pardons on his last day in office were invalid because they were signed with an auto pen, a machine that automates signatures on documents. Trump said those who received pardons, specifically the lawmakers who served on the House Select Committee

to investigate the January 6th Capitol riot, should not consider themselves immune from investigation. Number four, the US State Department declared that South Africa's ambassador to the United States, Ibrahim Rasool, has until Friday to leave the country. The decision follows President Trump's order to pause US funding for South Africa over its government's policies.

And number five, Texas State Police arrested a Houston area midwife on charges of performing illegal abortions. The first criminal charges brought under the state's law banning abortion in virtually all cases. pieces. John, these are the most significant airstrikes since President Trump returned to the White House and the first time U.S. jets have struck these Iranian-backed Houthi rebels in Yemen since President Trump returned to the White House. U.S. officials say F-18 Super Hornets from the flight deck of the USS Harry S. Truman

were the vanguard of the strikes, along with Air Force fighter jets and drones. Houthi rebels, backed by Iran, are claiming they've targeted an American warship as retaliation for U.S. strikes. Danielle Hemanjan is with us. And Danielle, there are concerns about the potential for escalation now. Over the weekend, the United States carried out a series of aerial and naval strikes against Yemen's Houthi rebels.

President Donald Trump said the strikes were retaliation for the Houthis attacks on commercial shipping in the Red Sea and surrounding waters, adding that the assault would continue until the attacks stopped. At least 53 people, including five children, have been killed by the strikes, according to a Houthi health ministry spokesperson. White House National Security

Advisor Mike Walz said multiple Houthi leaders were killed. For context, the Houthis are an Iran-backed political and religious group that has declared itself part of a resistance to Israel, the United States, and other Western countries. Shortly after returning to office, President Trump re-designated the group as a terrorist organization after President Joe Biden removed the Trump-era designation to allow aid deliveries to civilians in Yemen. You can read our previous coverage of President Biden's response to the Houthi attacks

with the link in today's episode description. After emerging in the 1990s, the group took control of large parts of Yemen in the 2010s and engaged Saudi-led forces in a protracted civil war that killed more than 160,000 people and displaced 4 million. A UN-brokered truce has been in effect since April 2022. Shortly after Hamas' October 7 attack on Israel, the Houthis began targeting merchant vessels passing through the Red Sea, which they claimed were in retaliation for Israel's aerial bombardment and invasion of Gaza.

The Biden administration and British government carried out strikes on the Houthis in January 2024, with support from Canada, the Netherlands, and Bahrain hitting an estimated 260 targets. The Houthis paused the attacks when Israel and Hamas reached a ceasefire in January. On March 11, the group said it would resume attacks on Israeli ships in response to Israel's blockade of Gaza. After the U.S. strikes, the Houthis reportedly attempted at least two retaliatory attacks against a USS Harry S. Truman aircraft carrier in the Red Sea, but both attempts were unsuccessful. On Monday, President Trump said further attempts to attack U.S. forces would be construed

as attacks by Iran, writing on Truth Social, Iran will be held responsible and suffer the consequences, and those consequences will be dire. Iran has rejected the claim that it is backing the Houthis, but the country has a well-documented history of supplying Yemen with weapons, including drone parts, missile warheads, and anti-tank missile units. Today, we'll share perspectives from the left and the right on the Trump administration's strikes on the Houthis, and then Isaac's take. We'll be right back after this quick break. FanDuel Casino's exclusive Live Dealer Studio has your chance at the number one feeling, winning, which beats even the 27th best feeling, saying, I do.

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All right, first up, let's start with what the left is saying. The left is mixed on the strikes, with many expressing concern about the US being pulled deeper into conflicts in the Middle East. Some say the attacks are hypocritical after Trump ran on ending military engagements abroad. Others say the strikes are justified but require a broader strategy. In Bloomberg, Paul Wallace suggested hitting the Houthis ups Mideast stakes for Trump. Donald Trump's most significant military action since he returned to power, weekend airstrikes on Yemen's Iran-backed Houthis, will likely have far-reaching consequences for the wider Middle East and the oil market, Wallace wrote.

The U.S. says for now there's no need to consider sending in ground troops. Still, the Houthis control western parts of Yemen, including the capital, Sana'a, and the crucial port of Hodeidah. Past experiences suggest it won't be easy to stop them from the air alone. While the Houthis have been weakened, their attacks dropped off in recent months. They're still far from being toppled and continue to prevent most western shipping firms from taking the Suez Canal route while sailing between Asia and Europe. Moreover, there's a danger they could lash out against Trump

by targeting oil-rich Gulf states, such as Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates with drones and missiles, Wallace said. The Middle East will be watching the showdown to gauge how relentless Trump's willing to be in backing his words with military action. In The Intercept, Ada Chavez wrote, Trump reasserts the US as the world's policeman.

Framed by the US as a move to protect crucial Red Sea shipping lanes, the illegal escalation is a shift from the retaliatory strikes of the Biden administration to what appears to be a return to a full-scale regime change war, Chavez said. The escalation makes for awkward politics in America. Trump ran on ending wars, emphasizing his desire to avoid new wars in his inaugural

address. In turn, his America First loyalists, whatever their motives, are cheering his dealmaking with the aim of ending the war in Ukraine. Yet the administration is now barreling toward more bloodshed in the Middle East, where both Trump and Joe Biden have let brutal allies run amok while trying to extricate the U.S. itself from regional conflicts. Now the Trump administration is pushing an explicitly deeper and more involved intervention in Yemen, Chavez wrote.

That risk of full-blown regional conflict, too, is growing, as Trump himself threatens Iran, a major backer of the Houthi movement, and a prime enemy of U.S. top allies Israel and Saudi Arabia. In foreign policy, Daniel B. Shapiro said targeting Houthi leaders is warranted, but not enough. The Biden administration, in which I served, struggled with the Houthi challenge. President Joe Biden also authorized extensive strikes against the Houthis. Unlike the description of some Trump administration officials, these were not pinpricks nor purely responsive strikes. On at least seven occasions, U.S. forces, sometimes with U.K. participation,

struck underground weapons and storage facilities and command and control centers, Shapiro wrote. But the attacks did not restore deterrence. The Houthi leadership and its deep anti-Israel, anti-American ideology seemed emboldened by the exchanges. In order to mount a sustained campaign against such targets, the U.S. military requires additional intelligence and needs cooperation, both analytical and operational, from key regional partnership heroes said. From Trump administration officials' descriptions of their strikes, it sounds as though the intelligence picture has matured enough to target Houthi leaders.

That is necessary and appropriate provided care is taken to minimize civilian casualties as much as possible. But this will need to be a sustained effort. Alright, that is it for what the left is saying, which brings us to what the right is saying. The right is mostly supportive of the strikes, arguing that Trump is protecting global commerce. Some say the threat from the Houthis justifies military action. Others question Trump's change in tack after previously criticizing Biden's strikes. The Wall Street Journal editorial board wrote, Trump takes on the Houthis. One of the Biden

administration's worst failures was letting Iran's terror proxies in Yemen shut down a crucial global shipping lane and shoot at the U.S. military with impunity. President Trump sent a better message on the weekend by ordering significant airstrikes against the Houthis that are a step toward restoring deterrence in the region, the board said. Mr. Trump often talks tougher than he acts, so it's important to see if this is the start of a larger campaign to target Houthi leaders and eliminate the group's weapons stores and Iranian supply lines.

Notably, Mr. Trump also included Iran in his truth social warning to the Houthis. This is significant because the Houthis like to claim that they are independent from Iran, but Tehran is their main arms supplier. The Houthis wouldn't be nearly as large a threat without that help, the board wrote. Deterring the Houthi attacks is crucial to restoring the freedom of global commerce. They have all but shut down the Red Sea route between Europe and Asia for ships that aren't Russian, Chinese, or Iranian. The cost of shipping and insurance has soared. It's encouraging that at least in this case, Mr. Trump believes in American

global leadership. In National Review, Charles C.W. Cook said, blow the Houthis out of the water. Has there ever been a case for American military action as strong as the case for hitting the Houthis? Cook asked. The internationalists ought to be happy that the federal government is protecting trade. The nationalists ought to be happy that the federal government is retaliating against attacks on U.S. naval assets.

If consumer inflation is your preoccupation, this helps. If respect for the United States is your concern, this works out. If you want an interventionist government, you'll like it by default. If you want a government that acts only in extremis, this counts. The federal government exists to represent and protect the United States on the world stage and the Hutties represent both a direct and indirect threat to that charge. They have attacked our ships, which is an act of war that the executive branch is permitted to respond to unilaterally. And they have attacked our economy," Cook said.

That President Trump has chosen this course of action is surprising only because his predecessor chose to dilly-dally. Sometimes sending a gunboat is both the simplest and most righteous response. In Reason, Matthew Petty criticized Trump for reopening the conflict in Yemen. Candidate Donald Trump thought that bombing Yemen was just a failed mentality when then-president Joe Biden did it. Quote, it's crazy. You can solve problems over the telephone.

Instead, they start dropping bombs. I see recently they're dropping bombs all over Yemen. End quote. Trump is now dropping bombs all over Yemen, Petty wrote. Instead of calling Biden a warmonger as he had a year ago, Trump claimed on Sunday that Biden's pathetically weak policy had allowed an unrelenting campaign of piracy, violence, and terrorism against American shipping. In fact, those attacks had already stopped earlier this week thanks to Trump picking

up the phone. The Houthi movement, one of two rival governments in Yemen, thanks to Trump picking up the phone. The Houthi movement, one of two rival governments in Yemen, had tried to blockade the Red Sea in support of the Palestinian cause. After Trump brokered an Israeli-Palestinian ceasefire, the Houthis declared an end to their attacks on foreign shipping.

American ships then returned to the Red Sea. All right, let's head over to Isaac for his take. ["The Red Sea"] All right, that is it for what the left and the right are saying, which brings us to my take. So I try to be pragmatic in my political commentary, but I also try to be human. And those goals are often contradictory, especially on days like this,

when the world shows that it can be a cold, hard place full of violence and destruction. Case in point, this morning, after working on this take yesterday, I woke up to the devastating news that the Israel Gaza ceasefire had gone up in flames. After a couple weeks full of stories about halted aid, exchanges that included deceased hostages and ramped up clashes in the West Bank, Israel carried out one of its largest

attacks ever in Gaza, an attack whose lasting image will almost certainly be a dead Palestinian baby and a rainbow onesie that went viral on social media. The image was verified by a Fox News war correspondent. As a new father, it's hard to process that kind of picture, even amid reports that key Hamas fighters were also killed in the strike. War has a way of breeding more conflict, not just on the ground, but internally.

When I read news correspondences and see these images, my brain and my heart, the pragmatic and the human, they're set against each other. The Trump administration's strike on Yemen might read like a simple show of force, but the Houthis are claiming we killed dozens of civilians, including five children. How do we possibly weigh that human reality against the pragmatism of deterring future Houthi attacks? Since there still seems to be some debate about this,

I'll just steal from my previous writing to make the case quickly again that the Houthis are not the good guys here. Newsflash, the Houthis are not doing this because they care about the Palestinian cause. They are not bent out of shape about civilian deaths as evidenced by their and Saudi Arabia's total disregard for civilian casualties in Yemen,

where their own people are dying by the hundreds of thousands. Nor is this all new. Long before the latest incursion into Gaza, Houthi rebels were attacking and hijacking ships in the Red Sea. They're doing this because they are literally pirates, Islamic extremists who want money, power, and death to the infidels.

Their slogan is a call for death to America, Israel and Jews, and victory for Islam. They are working hard to bring back slavery in Yemen. They are not the Yemeni government and shouldn't be conflated as such. Attacking foreign ships that are not part of the conflict in Gaza as they try to transport goods through the Red Sea is also not an effective way to wage a war against Israel. None of this is to absolve Israel for the mass civilian deaths in Gaza or the US for its funding of Saudi Arabia

and the war in Yemen, or the Saudis for inflicting so much horror in Yemen over the last 10 years. But it is to say the Houthis are not fighting some moral battle, nor have they demonstrated they care at all about the deaths of Palestinians or Yemenis. That was from a piece I wrote back in 2024. And in our cold, hard and violent world,

a show of force from an unrestrained US military against pirates like the Houthis can be incredibly effective. However, it can also dramatically worsen a bad situation. So in one way, I don't know what other kinds of action Trump can take, which is more or less what I said when Biden ordered strikes against the Houthis in 2024. Biden took criticism from just about everyone, from the left for risking a wider war in the region,

from some conservatives for not attacking the Houthis persistently enough, and notably from Donald Trump, who suggested he pick up the phone and find a way to resolve the issue. In the year and a half since the Gaza war broke out, the Houthis have been attacking ships that pass the Red Sea near their coastline. These attacks have often been carried out against cargo ships that are totally uninvolved with the conflict in Gaza.

In that time period, the Houthis have targeted over a hundred commercial vessels with missiles or drones, sunk in two ships and killed four sailors. That's to say nothing of the 174 attempted attacks on US Navy assets and even an attempt on a US fighter jet. The United States, United Kingdom and Israel have expended a great deal of resources trying to protect commerce passing through the area and we've had to put our own Navy in harm's way.

Nothing this coalition has done aside from reaching a now broken ceasefire agreement between Israel and Gaza has dissuaded the Houthis. If the Houthis have decided they will attack ships in the Red Sea without a peace deal in Gaza, which Biden, Trump, Israel, and Hamas, and the international community have now failed to deliver, then they can expect continued military reprisal for their decision.

That's the destructive pragmatism of the often violent world that we live in. At the same time, escalating with this particular group doesn't seem wise. For starters, the Houthis have survived encounters like this going back to George W. Bush. They have survived the onslaught from the US-backed Saudi forces.

They became more entrenched during the Biden administration strikes. Nothing about the latest US response is particularly novel and the Houthis appear undeterred, attempting a retaliatory strike on the aircraft carrier, USS Harry S. Truman, and promising to soon find new ways to inflict pain on our troops.

The idea that you're going to do this massive wave of airstrikes and the Houthis are just going to lay on their backs and take it is absurd. Mohammed al-Basha, the founder of a US-based Middle East security advisory, Basha Report told the Wall Street Journal, they're going to retaliate and retaliate severely. It's going to be a vicious cycle. While the safety of the USS Harry S. Truman is probably not at stake here, the Houthis could turn their attention to US bases some 800 miles from Yemen in the United Arab Emirates. Their solidarity with the Palestinian

cause, if you believe it's earnest, has earned them a great deal of support in the Arab world, and it seems like the group feels the wind at their backs despite taking heavy losses in the last year. That kind of confidence could embolden them to continue to escalate rather than look for an off-ramp. A military response also creates a genuine political question for Trump. Since 2016, he's been running on a kind of isolationist anti-war position that appeals to a generation of Americans who deeply resent getting dragged into Iraq and Afghanistan. One can reasonably argue that this anti-war campaign rhetoric has never

matched his actions, but his administration is now openly promising a sustained campaign against the Houthis while also warning Iran that they could be next. This latest strike has snapped US Navy ships into action and put our soldiers in the region on heightened alert. It is not unreasonable to think this opens Trump up to dissent from his own ranks, especially the ascendant isolationist right, who might view his response as the first step to dragging our troops into another Middle East conflict. Again, I understand Trump's predicament. As someone just reacting to this conflict, I'm pulled in different directions by my

head and my heart. The president has his own dilemma. Risk appeasement through an action or risk entrenchment with a response. In the absence of a ceasefire, the Houthis have not been dissuaded by tough talk or the occasional strikes. So a reasonable next step

could be a large scale sustained onslaught. But if Trump doesn't get the Houthis to back off, he'll definitely risk not just more violence in the region and more danger for US troops, but also political blowback back home. We'll be right back after this quick break. Fanduil Casino's exclusive live dealer studio has your chance at the number one feeling, winning, which beats even the 27th best feeling saying I do.

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Call 1-866-531-2600 or visit connectsontario.ca. Please play responsibly. All right, that is it for my take, which brings us to your questions answered. This one is from Ruth, who wrote it and said, you didn't do your homework on the last article "'about the Palestinian who Trump deported. "'Since he has a green card, which is a privilege, "'not a right, and he's not an American citizen, "'then deporting him is legal,

"'and the president has the authority to do so. "'Did you see Marco Rubio's interview with Margaret Brennan?' Okay, so first of all, yes, I actually saw Rubio's interview, which came out well Okay, so first of all, yes, I actually saw Rubio's interview, which came out well after our edition on Khalil's arrest. Rubio did give another statement much more shortly after that edition, though still after it. And I talked about how it was the best argument

we'd encountered yet in favor of Khalil's deportation. I talked about that on our Sunday podcast. However, I still thought his argument fell short for two reasons. First, Rubio conflated the process of granting a green card with the process of revoking one. He also repeatedly muddied the waters on student visa versus green card holder.

It's all well and good for Rubio to say that the State Department has the authority to reject green card applications at its discretion, but revoking one after issuing it is a different matter because U.S. residents with green cards are conferred constitutional protections. And as clearly stated in our constitution, these rights are inalienable and not privileges

to be meted out at the Secretary of State or President's discretion. That said, Rubio has also argued that the secretary of state has the discretion to deport a visa holder if the secretary deems their presence or activities would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States.

If Khalil is granted his due process, we'll see the Trump administration argue that this rarely used power can be applied to him in court, but I am skeptical that they will succeed. Either way, we've yet to see a clear case for Khalil's deportation, even under this obscure law, that spells out the specific threat he constitutes or describes any crime he committed beyond protesting in a manner the government didn't like. So for now, I stand by the argument that this is a dangerous infringement on free speech that could be easily used against a wide range of permanent and legal U.S. residents.

All right, that is it for your questions answered. I'm going to send it back to John for the rest of the pod and I'll see you guys tomorrow. Have a good one. Peace. Thanks, Isaac. Here's your under the radar story for today, Isaac. Here's your Under the Radar story for today, folks. Gen Z is gradually trying to break into the housing market, filling 13% of U.S. home mortgage applications in 2024, up from 10% in 2023. As this age group, roughly ages 12 to 28,

grapples with high housing costs and limited supply, Many are choosing to buy homes in relatively affordable parts of the Midwest and South while eschewing coastal metropolitan areas. Omaha, Detroit, and Salt Lake City were among the cities with the highest share of Gen Z home buyers in 2024, while Seattle, Los Angeles, and San Francisco were among the lowest. Axios has this story,

and there's a link in today's episode description. Alright, next up is our numbers section. The number of people in Yemen, whom the United Nations classifies as in dire need of humanitarian assistance and protection services, is 21.6 million, roughly two-thirds of the population. The estimated number of people internally displaced in Yemen is 4.5 million. The number of people in Yemen at risk of famine is 5 million. The number of attacks carried out by the Houthis in the Red Sea between October 19, 2023 and March 7, 2025 is 313, according to the Armed Conflict Location and Event Data Project.

The percent increase in the cost of shipping a container from Asia to Northern Europe from December 2023 to December 2024 is plus 270 percent, according to Freitas. The percentage of Yemenis living in Houthi-controlled areas, government-controlled areas, and areas of divided control respectively, with a positive view of the Houthi's Red Sea operations, is 35%, 28%, and 25%, according to a February-March 2024 poll from the Sanaa Center for Strategic Studies. And the percentage of Yemenis living in Houthi controlled areas, government controlled areas, and areas of divided control respectively, with a positive view of Houthis as a whole, is 8%, 3%, and 3%. And last but not least, our Have a Nice Day story.

On average, 951 soccer jerseys are sent to UK landfills every minute. An annual campaign called Green Football's Great Save aims to encourage players to keep sports uniforms and equipment in use for longer by upcycling, reusing, or donating them. The initiative has organized a secret drop of star players used and signed jerseys to charity shops across the country

and incorporates on-site repairs for old kids. I love the idea that instead of sitting unused, it can now help someone else stay in the game while also reducing waste, professional soccer player Demi Stokes said. Positive news has this story and there's a link in today's episode description. All right everybody, that is it for today's episode. As always, if you'd like to support our work, please go to reetangle.com where you can sign up for a newsletter membership, podcast membership, or a bundled membership that gets you a discount on both. We'll be right back here tomorrow for Isaac and the rest of the crew. This is John Law

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