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Episode Date: October 22, 2024On Sunday, former president and Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump manned the fry station and handed out drive-through orders at a McDonald's in Feasterville-Trevose, a Philadelphi...a suburb in the critical swing state of Pennsylvania. Afterward, he held an informal press conference with reporters.Ad-free podcasts are here!Many listeners have been asking for an ad-free version of this podcast that they could subscribe to — and we finally launched it. You can go to tanglemedia.supercast.com to sign up!You can read today's podcast here, our “Under the Radar” story here and today’s “Have a nice day” story here.Check out Episode 7 of our podcast series, The Undecideds. Please give us a 5-star rating and leave a comment!Take the survey: How does Trump’s McDonald’s event affect your view of the candidates? Let us know!You can subscribe to Tangle by clicking here or drop something in our tip jar by clicking here. Our podcast is written by Isaac Saul and edited and engineered by Jon Lall. Music for the podcast was produced by Diet 75. Our newsletter is edited by Managing Editor Ari Weitzman, Will Kaback, Bailey Saul, Sean Brady, and produced in conjunction with Tangle’s social media manager Magdalena Bokowa, who also created our logo. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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the House Task Force investigating the assassination attempt on former President Donald Trump released its interim findings, calling the shooting at Trump's rally in
Pennsylvania on July 13th a preventable incident caused by a lack of planning and coordination between the
Secret Service and local law enforcement partners. Number two, the trial of Daniel Perry, who is
charged with manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide for putting a homeless man in a chokehold
in New York City on a subway car in 2023, began on Monday in Manhattan. Number three, U.S. Secretary
of State Antony Blinken met with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in Israel
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wake of Russia's invasion of Ukraine in 2022. Former President Donald Trump campaigned in the
swing state of Pennsylvania yesterday, a little more than two weeks before Election Day. One of his stops was a McDonald's restaurant north of Philadelphia.
Trump spent some time working the fry station and greeting customers at the drive-thru window.
The franchised shop was closed much of the day as the former president worked the fryer
under detailed instructions. Then, during the highly stage-managed campaign event,
Trump delivered fast food through the drive-in window.
The pre-selected occupants of all six cars expressed their support before driving away.
And there'll be no charge Trump is paying for. Is that okay?
Afterward, Trump talked to reporters through the window where he repeated his unproven claim
that Vice President Kamala Harris never worked at McDonald's during college,
as she has asserted. I've now worked for 15 minutes more than Kamala. Outside,
hundreds gathered to cheer him on. On Sunday, former President and Republican presidential
nominee Donald Trump manned the Fry Station and handed out drive-thru orders at a McDonald's in
Feasterville, Traverse, a Philadelphia suburb in
the critical swing state of Pennsylvania. Afterward, he held an informal press conference with reporters.
Trump's visit to the McDonald's comes after weeks of claiming that Vice President Kamala Harris,
despite what she has said while campaigning, did not work at McDonald's while in college.
Trump has not backed this claim with evidence, though Harris's claim has only been verified by
a friend who recalled her working there in the early 1980s. On Sunday, McDonald's sent a memo to franchisees
noting that it did not have employment records for all employees dating back to the 1980s.
During the roughly 30-minute event, an employee showed Trump how to dunk fries in oil and boxed
them up. While handing out orders to customers, Trump addressed reporters saying he would respect
the results of the vote next month if it's a fair election. Asked if he would support a minimum wage increase for
McDonald's workers after seeing them in action, Trump deflected, saying, these people work hard,
they're great. Trump's visit became an immediate source of controversy. Many liberal pundits
criticized that the visit was a photo op, while a Harris campaign spokesperson said,
the visit showed exactly what we would see in a second Trump term, exploiting working people for
his own personal gain. Conversely, Trump supporters said it was a perfect example of the former
president's ability to connect with the working class voter. Shortly after the visit, McDonald
shared a statement with franchisees saying the company is not a political brand and is not
endorsing candidates. Meanwhile, the owner of the Feasterville
Traverse McDonald's defended the decision to host Trump. It is a fundamental value of my
organization that we proudly open our doors to everyone who visits the Feasterville community,
Derek Giacomo Antonio said in a statement. That's why I accepted former President Trump's request
to observe the transformative working experience that one in eight Americans have had, a job at
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The left views the visit as a stunt, though some note that both campaigns are using McDonald's to appeal to voters.
Many criticize Trump's comments about the minimum wage during the event.
Others say the entire event was built around promoting a lie about Harris's work history.
In the New York Times, Marcia Chatelain wrote about the
enduring symbolism of McDonald's. In presidential politics, you have to meet potential voters where
they are. So every four years, churches, college campuses, and even barbershops become the mainstays
of the presidential campaign circuit. But this year, the contenders have added the McDonald's
fry station, Chatelain said. The public's image of the typical McDonald's
employee has overlapped with the elusive voter both parties are hoping to secure in the last
days of the race. The Trump and Harris campaigns have relied on the American dream of industry and
unbridled capitalism to tell a story about social mobility and who can deliver it more to Americans.
The story of who owns and who works at McDonald's is part of that story.
By the 1980s, when Ms. Harris was donning her McDonald's uniform, the restaurant was a beacon of hope for minority entrepreneurship, but also a symbol of economic marginalization of workers of
all colors, Chatelaine wrote. Although there are many things that Mr. Trump and Ms. Harris disagree
on, their view of the role of McDonald's in economic mobility is something they share.
Both candidates appear to be running on the idea that Black voters are enamored of promises of the
free market more so than guarantees for fair wages and labor protections. In Salon, Ashley D.
Stevens said Trump's McDonald's stunt highlights his disregard for minimum wage workers. While the
scene might seem like typical campaign theater, it highlights a larger irony in Trump's relationship with fast food, and more specifically with the minimum wage workers who typically make it.
For years, Trump has cultivated a populist image, frequently exalting his love for McDonald's, Burger King, and other chains, Stevens wrote.
However, while Trump is known for his love of fast food, this latest stunt highlights a stark irony.
While Trump is known for his love of fast food, this latest stunt highlights a stark irony.
The same man who celebrates McDonald's burgers seems to belittle the workers who serve them,
as evidenced by both his past policies and current attitudes.
And Trump's latest attempt to turn Harris' work history into a punchline simply underscores his broader pattern of thoughtlessly dismissing the value of minimum wage jobs.
For instance, while standing in the McDonald's drive-thru,
Trump was asked multiple times if he supported raising the federal minimum wage jobs. For instance, while standing in the McDonald's drive-thru, Trump was asked multiple times if he supported raising the federal minimum wage. During his first presidential
campaign, Trump seemingly toyed with the idea of supporting a $10 minimum wage instead of the
current $7.25 per hour, but ultimately said he'd rather leave it to the states. Let the states
decide, Stevens said. Ultimately, Trump's McDonald's stunt serves as a reminder of the contradictions
at the heart of his populist appeal. He may love fast food, but his rhetoric and policies
often undermine the people who make it. In USA Today, Rex Hupke suggested that the event
promoted a really dumb and dishonest point. On Sunday, the Trump campaign took over a McDonald's
in Feasterville, Pennsylvania, thanks to a franchisee, Derek Giacomo Antonio, who agreed to close the restaurant to the public for the day.
That allowed Trump's handlers to stage manage a fake shift, with Trump making some fries and working the drive-thru window, Hupke wrote.
Trump wearing a McDonald's apron drew comparisons to Democratic presidential candidate Michael Dukakis' disastrous 1988 photo op in an
M1 Abrams tank. Both moments featured candidates looking dumb and wholly out of place. What made
the elaborates done particularly ridiculous was the reason behind it. Trump wasn't trying to appeal
to voters who work in the fast food or service industries. He was trying to make an inconsequential
and unfounded point, Hupke said. He has literally nothing to back up the
accusation. And also, who cares? It's a tiny part of Harris' background and work experience.
But because Trump is the smallest person on the planet,
he has to make a big to-do about it because he thinks it's a sick burn.
All right, that is it for what the left is saying, which brings us to what the right is saying.
The right says the visit showed Trump in a favorable light and reinforced the negative impacts of the Biden administration's policies on the working class. Some call the event a
tactical success for the Trump campaign. Others criticized the media's and Democrats' reaction to the visit.
The Wall Street Journal editorial board wrote about Trump, Harris, and McDonald's.
It was a nice photo op, but the fast food aficionado missed a bigger opportunity to highlight how Kamala Harris' agenda endangers such jobs and franchise restaurants, the board said.
restaurants, the board said. Fast food jobs provide young people lessons in treating customers courteously, showing up on time, and taking and following orders, which can serve them well
throughout their careers. So why does the vice president want to make it harder to work there?
Like other restaurant chains, McDonald's has had to cope with a tight labor market and inflationary
costs. This has contributed to higher prices. The average cost of a Big Mac meal nationwide has increased to $9.29 from $7.29 in 2019.
A hamburger Happy Meal has risen to $4.69 from $3, the board wrote.
Progressives accuse McDonald's of price gouging, but its prices have increased in line with the costs of goods and labor.
Yet Ms. Harris wants to give the Federal Trade Commission authority to punish alleged price gouging by the food industry, that is, fixed prices. FTC Chair
Lena Kahn's agency would determine if McDonald's franchisees are charging too much for a happy meal.
In Fox News, David Marcus said Trump's McDonald's visit served up four brilliant political moments.
In one event, Trump's savvy campaign team slew
four political dragons, leaving Vice President Kamala Harris's central argument strewn across
the floor like a spilled McFlurry, Marcus wrote. First, Trump's playful manner with employees and
supporters alike clearly humanizes a man that Democrats need to convince voters is some kind
of combination of Stalin, Hitler, and the Hamburglar.
Second, Trump's campaign completely dominated the news cycle all day.
At a stage in the campaign when winning each day is the central and most important goal.
Third, Trump had the opportunity to further mock Harris over her alleged stolen McDonald's valor.
After all, this is a woman who wanted to inspect Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh's high school yearbook,
but can't recall where the Mickey D she worked at was.
Finally, and most importantly, the spectacle made it completely obvious that Trump is neither exhausted nor senile,
a lie that the entire liberal media sang in chorus all weekend, Marcus said.
Whether it's putting on an apron at McDonald's or chopping it up at a barbershop in the Bronx,
Donald Trump is just a gifted retail politician.
In hot air, David Strom called the visit,
There is something glorious about how Donald Trump keeps breaking the minds of the elite.
It is his most charming characteristic,
and probably one of the key reasons why there is a preference cascade
that may carry him to victory in just over two weeks, Strom wrote.
You can see their heads
explode as Trump served french fries to the proles. It was so gauche and popped Kamala's bubble by
exposing her phony claim that she worked at McDonald's. Nobody cared whether she actually
worked there. They cared that she so casually lied about it in a vain attempt to seem relatable.
She puts on McDonald's employee the same way she adopts a phony accent, with contempt for her audience.
Trump doesn't cosplay being a pro.
He is who he is.
He is a billionaire and proud of it, and is also pure Americana.
He's not all about transnational high culture.
He loves fries like the rest of us, Strom said.
Trump's McDonald's stunt will not win him the election, because no one event will win him the election.
But it is symbolic of what makes
Trump a force in American politics. He is who he is, and even if he is not like us, he understands
us in a way that nobody on the left ever could. All right, let's head over to Isaac for his take.
All right, that is it for what the left and the right are saying, which brings us to my take.
So obviously this McDonald's video was staged, and I think that's important to say,
but I want to start by describing just how staged it was.
Feastiville was well briefed about Trump's visit. I saw a friend from home post about it on Instagram before it happened. Thousands of people lined the streets
before he arrived. Drivers rehearsed their drive-thrus. The customers were vetted by the
Secret Service before going anywhere near the window, and so on. We didn't witness some
impromptu shift in McDonald's, and Trump wasn't really putting himself out there randomly with
the public, which, by the way, is understandable given he's a former president who's also been
the target of two assassination attempts since July. This isn't to say Trump didn't serve up
some authentic or genuinely endearing moments. He's a known germaphobe and seemed to delight
in the fact that he didn't have to touch any of the fries to make his order. His ability to
casually chum it up with the other workers inside the McDonald's and some of the fries to make his order. His ability to casually chum it up with the other
workers inside the McDonald's and some of the customers is exactly the kind of retail politics
that he's always been much better at than most other politicians. He can make people laugh and
look comfortable chatting with the employees. Moments like this are a core part of Trump's
appeal, and he executed the visit to near perfection. My point is just that in the final days of the
presidential campaign, you should remember that visits like this are all theater. Trump obviously
wanted to use this visit to draw attention to Harris's purported record of working at McDonald's.
I've now worked at McDonald's for 15 minutes more than Kamala, Trump said from the drive-thru
window shortly after arriving. Candidly, I can't say
for certain whether Harris did or did not work at McDonald's. There's plenty of reason to doubt her.
Harris only mentioned working at McDonald's for the first time publicly five years ago,
in the middle of running for president in 2019. She never mentioned it in two autobiographical
books, and it has only been verified by one friend who said she heard it from Harris's mom. The lack of hard evidence bolsters the point. Five years after college,
she applied for a law clerk job and was asked to list every job she'd held in the last 10 years.
She left out her time at McDonald's. McDonald's itself says it has no record of her working there,
but it also says it does not have complete work records going back to the 1980s
when she purported to work there. None of that looks great for Harris. At the same time, I could
tell you honestly that I worked as a busboy at several restaurants, as a janitor at a veterinarian's
office, as a landscaper throughout college, but I would not have listed those on applications for
full-time journalism work. And if you wanted me to prove to you that I had all those jobs,
I think it would be pretty difficult to produce records or photographic evidence.
So it's totally plausible that Harris had this job
and only introduced it as part of her political biography recently
in an obvious attempt to build some working-class connection with voters as a national candidate.
Trump is capitalizing on ambiguity, and it might be smart.
Even though wrongly disputing a political rival's background
is something Trump has done before, see Obama's birth certificate,
fudging working-class bona fides is just the kind of thing
a politician like Harris would do, too.
Setting aside his motivations,
I think the visit was unambiguously smart politics from Trump.
It's Bucks County, and you all know how I feel about that.
The margins in my home county will decide Pennsylvania, which could decide the election.
Visiting places like Bucks is not particularly novel, but working the shift,
throwing on the apron, dishing out a few orders, it worked.
The visit and the Harris campaign response also says a lot about how both Harris and Trump are trying to appeal to working class voters.
Trump wants to turn out specific kinds of working class voters that doesn't just eat at a place like McDonald's, but works there.
His brand of politics is to make these voters feel something, to make them feel seen.
These visits communicate the message, I know you were there, that Trump
recognizes their day-to-day lives. That feeling he gives normal Americans is still the central
advantage of how he campaigns. Harris and Democrats writ large tend to approach these
voters differently. In this case, her team responded to Trump's visit by just claiming
that he's never worked a real job and was handed his wealth on a silver platter. They responded by deriding Trump. In other contexts, Democrats want to
convince voters that they can change their day-to-day livelihoods. The common refrain
from Harris or Democrats during this election has been, I will do X thing for you. In this case,
it's to raise the minimum wage, which Harris has described as poverty pay. So Trump tries to make
these voters feel seen without promising anything, and Trump tries to make these voters feel seen without
promising anything, and Harris tries to make them feel hope for a different future. I'm not passing
judgment on either approach. I think each strategy has worked in past campaigns, and they work
differently for different voters. Now, if Trump had used this visit to announce he supported raising
the minimum wage, I think he could have made days of headlines and political hay. He didn't. So voters have to decide whether they care about Trump's gesture, and they'll land
in different places. In the end, it was smart stuff from Trump, and it allowed him to give off
some quote-unquote normal vibes amid a slew of headlines comparing him to Hitler or claiming
he's lost his marbles. Given where we are in the campaign, that's a win for him.
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by just 1.1 points. The late shift means Democrats are now defending
four seats rated by Cook Political as toss-ups, while Republicans now have two rated lean
Republican but no toss-ups. Cook Political Report has this story, and there's a link in today's
episode description. All right, next up is our numbers section.
The number of Americans who have worked at McDonald's at some point is one in eight,
according to the restaurant chain.
The approximate percentage of Americans who consume McDonald's in a given year is 90%.
The percentage increase in the average price of a Big Mac in the U.S. between 2019 and 2024 is 21%.
The percentage of Democrats who say they would be less likely to
purchase from a company that endorses a candidate from the opposing party is 68%, according to an
August 2024 Gallup survey. The percentage of Republicans who say they would be less likely
to purchase from a company that endorses a candidate for the opposing party is 61%. The
percentage of U.S. adults who think businesses should take a public stance on
current events is 38%. And the percentage of U.S. adults who think businesses should take a public
stance on political candidates is 17%. All right, and last but not least, our Have a Nice Day story.
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