Taskmaster The Podcast - Ep 60. Lou Sanders - S5 Ep.4

Episode Date: December 23, 2021

On this week's podcast Ed is joined by comedian, presenter, podcaster and champion of TM Series 8 - Lou Sanders! As well reflecting on Lou's Taskmaster experience the pair go through S5 Ep.4 in full detail! Enjoy. Your time starts now! Watch all of Taskmaster on All 4www.channel4.com/programmes/taskmasterVisit the Taskmaster Store for all your TM goodies! taskmasterstore.comVisit the Taskmaster YouTube Channel youtube.com/taskmaster Get in touch with Ed and future guests: [e-mail] Taskmaster the Podcast is Produced by Daisy Knight for Avalon Television Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hi, it's Terry O'Reilly, host of Under the Influence. Recently, we created an episode on cannabis marketing. With cannabis legalization, it's a brand new challenging marketing category. And I want to let you know we've produced a special bonus podcast episode where I talk to an actual cannabis producer. I wanted to know how a producer becomes licensed, how a cannabis company competes with big corporations, how a cannabis company markets its products in such a highly regulated

category, and what the term dignified consumption actually means. I think you'll find the answers interesting and surprising. Hear it now on Under the Influence with Terry O'Reilly. This bonus episode is brought to you by the Ontario. It's Ed Gamble here. Of course it is. I'm always here. Today we are talking about Taskmaster Series 5, Episode 4. That's right, we are dipping back into the historical episodes. there's no new taskmaster series on at the moment so what we do is we go back in time and we talk about episodes from the past and we're currently talking about series five and today it's episode four it's a brilliant one and we can only have a brilliant guest for a brilliant one so today our guest is lou sanders

taskmaster champion of series eight brilliant comedian, excellent TV host. She's all sorts of things, Lou, and she is my friend. And I cannot wait to speak to her about this episode. Bit of Taskmaster news. The Taskmaster New Year's treat will be on New Year's Day at 9 p.m. Of course, the one off episode that they did last year is returning again this year with an all-new lineup of celebs sports stars that sort of thing it's an excellent lineup uh can't wait to see that can't wait to chat to someone about that there will be a podcast episode

for that coming out straight after the episode is on so that's new year's day channel 4 9 p.m that's january 1st for those of you not versed in the day nicknames uh do go and check that out catch up on taskmaster on all four uh go and watch this episode uh before we talk about it now and then you'll be all up to date with the things we're going to say email me taskmasterpodcast.gmail.com uh questions for our guests questions for me anything you like really pictures you've drawn uh things you've eaten don't really mind really uh i don't have to read them it's the producer bad luck um so let's get on with this now here talking about taskmaster

series five episode four it's the wonderful lou sanders welcome lou sanders to the Taskmaster podcast. Do you always... Welcome to your own podcast as well. Thank you, Lou. That's very nice. No one ever welcomes me to the podcast. Well, welcome, one and all.

And that's just you. But also, do you usually do them this early? It depends. I'd say we... So for the listener, it's before 10am.m it's uh we met at 9 45 a.m it's now 9 54 a.m um i'd say more often than not we start at 10 um occasionally we start at 9 if we're interviewing someone in new zealand we'll start at 9 a.m because that's that's late night for them a nice round time isn't it exactly yeah so in answer to your question lou yes yes

also when you say 54 i think this isn't this is boring i will get into some more fun chat but my clock is wrong by four minutes because i've got 9 50 right okay well i'm looking at i'm looking at my it's 9 55 now i'm looking at my laptop, which says 9.55. Do you use your phone and realise that your clock's wrong? No, no. No, my phone is right. My computer's wrong. No wonder I'm always late.

Let me just send myself an email to fix that and fix Mac clock. And then I'm really on the clock, as it were. Okay, and in we go. Ask me anything. Just to let you know know before we started recording yeah the producer said to lou it normally takes about an hour and a quarter and lou said we'll probably bring it home in an hour we're professionals first thing she does five minute chat about what time is it really yeah well you know do the listeners want that or not

well it's staying in i'm demanding it stays in well let me get more sprightly come on i'm ready i'm ready to entertain the nation that likes taskmaster and listens to this podcast yes yes yes we sort of narrow down the nation bit by bit there yeah um lou you uh were in taskmaster series eight you were the champion of taskmaster series eight yes only because I was with a load of dummies and I don't think they'll mind me saying that I think they might it feel like you've insulted them and yourself all in one big fell swoop I loved them all I loved them all and they were very intelligent each in their own different way I mean Paul Sinner Quizmaster for crying out loud yeah he's he's a clever guy

but you know Taskmaster is it's own thing Yeah I like that you Seemed like you were going to go through all of the other competitors There and name how they were clever In their own way and you got to Paul Cinder and then run out Yeah we're on the clock We haven't got time Also Sian Gibson is very good though

She could have won Oh Ian Oops just a quick belch and on we go Ian Ian and Sian were good as well yes very much so so poor old joe gets left out in the cold joe thomas was so funny he was so funny you don't need to win if you're like a little cutie pops i mean they were all funny they were all great i love that team actually it was a really good

lineup yeah Sian is like so charismatic I mean you're falling in love with her every week yeah totally but um she didn't win it she hasn't got the golden head sorry Sian yeah bad luck Sian um your do you have memories of working on Taskmaster Lou? Because we all know, well, I do as your friend, sometimes your short-term memory, not that ideal. That's why I watched the episode we'll be discussing today just but five minutes ago. Yeah. I got up early to watch it.

I hate to bump out those memories, which are probably eager to get out before they dissipate. But do you have any highlights from your time on Taskmaster in Series 8? Any particular tasks that you're very proud of? No. None at all? No. No, I'll tell you what I did.

The one where I was giving Alex's real phone number out to Bums and Tums and different therapies and stuff like that so that was I didn't say it was Alex Horne but I said my friend needs a lot of you know attention and puts putting right and stuff and so he was getting calls for ages and I did think that was quite clever was that the that was the apology task was it where you had to do something and then apologize for it in the best way yeah so I did something apologize for it and then I gave him a bit more to work with yes I mean I think you probably destroyed his life for quite a long time with all the signing him up for all those things right it's a bit of a laugh isn't it it's a bit of a laugh you know

destroying his life I mean I didn't like uh pretend he'd had an affair and sent his wife. That would have destroyed his life. Yeah, I suppose so. But that's a good idea for any... Yeah, that's a good idea for... Any future contestants listening, you can always destroy Alex's life that way. Because I think quite often Alex's life is destroyed

in the very short term with Taskmaster, where he has to eat something horrible, which you also did. You fed him burnt porn. Yeah. But very rarely do the effects of the tasks sort of continue to ripple after he leaves the house.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's why in another task I just kidnapped one of his kids. So, Series 5, Lou. Tell me, I'd never really known this about you. Do you watch Taskmaster on a regular basis or do you just dip in and out or do you not watch it at all do you want the truth yes i dip in and out but um that's because i want this is going to make me sound like such a beast i want to be in it all the time and doing the tasks

that doesn't make you sound like a beast i completely understand that i watched the one before mine i watched the whole series loved it yeah couldn't watch the one after mine because that's too sad that i wasn't doing it that's the one i was in so that's a shame revealed yourself there oh i did see four of them actually because when i was with my friend george we needed something to watch and so we did watch four episodes and then we were going to watch the rest together but then we didn't hang out for a while and then I didn't watch it because I wasn't with her and it felt cheaty

That's a big swing from you didn't watch any of them to suddenly you've watched four of them now. I remembered now, I remembered, ask me anything about episodes one to four and it may even be five, ask me anything Go on. I'm not gonna do it we're not no we're not here to talk about series nine we're here to talk about you on

series eight and we're here to talk about series five specifically this what what if the listeners want to uh to ask you a question well they can email me on taskmasterpodcast at gmail.com oh lovely and smooth lovely and smooth and they don And they don't need to hear any more about my experience on Taskmaster. Everything that comes up, I'm like, when I did Taskmaster, I did that. What are your thoughts on Series 5? Is this your first time seeing an episode from Series 5?

I think I'd seen maybe one or two from it. Cool. Yeah, Series 5. Mark Watson is the underrated clown from heaven. He's so funny. He's very funny. Everything he says is just so funny, but because I think he doesn't, like,

bang a drum when he delivers it, he's very cool. People obviously know how funny he is, but I just think he's, like, one of the funniest men in Britain. He is. He is absolutely hilarious. He's brilliant on this show. We've obviously discussed three episodes of series five, just think he's like one of the funniest men in britain he is he is absolutely hilarious he's

brilliant on this show we've um we've obviously discussed three episodes of series five so far and we've been quite mean to mark because he does everything he does he presents it as if it's a disaster um but he's secretly doing quite well on this series he does come second in the series so he does do well but he has a real, and I've said this a few times, of making successes look like disasters just by the way he does them. Yeah, that's his whole thing, isn't it? Bumbling. He sort of acts like he's bumbling, but he's also brought out like six books. You know what I mean?

But he just acts like a bumbling, not fool, that's too harsh, a bumbling boy. Yes, he sort of gives the impression of being quite sort of gawky and awkward. Yeah. But even while he is doing those things in a gawky and awkward way, he is achieving those things. Whereas Nish, of course, is making things seem like a disaster because they are a disaster.

Yes, very different approaches and very different skill levels. Yes, yes. And of course, we've got also in this lineup, we've got Aisling Bea, your friend of mine, Aisling Bea. Yeah, lovely. Who is brilliant on this series as well. She nails a lot of the tasks. Yeah, she's winning.'s very funny in the studio yeah

um sally phillips who is sunshine in a bowl i think oh my goodness the old phrase sunshine in a bowl sunshine in a bowl but utterly utterly unhinged sunshine in a bowl you never know what sally phillips is going to do next I think she could get away with anything because she could do the most outrageous thing and then just does the biggest smile you've ever seen. Yeah, she's filth in a bowl as well, sunshine filth. Oh yeah, sunshiny filth. But that little smile is, yeah, I mean, yeah, she's great. They're all great.

I mean, Bob Mortimer, National Treasure, et cetera. Of course, yeah. It's got to the point where now it's just National Treasure, etc., right? Yes, etc., yes, yes, yes. We're all so on board with it being a National Treasure. Let's talk about the prize task then which is the most extraordinary souvenir um which is a pretty straightforward prize task i think it's a nice a nice one i think it's a good i'd be excited to do this do you have anything that you own lou that springs to mind that you

might bring in what as in a souvenir or something? Yes, most extraordinary souvenir. Do you have anything that you would bring? I went to the House of Lords. Oh, yeah. And I got a biscuit. What, you stole a biscuit from a plate in the House of Lords? No, no, they gave me the biscuit fair and square. I had dinner there.

You had dinner at the House of Lords? Yes. It's just one of my strings can it be a string to my bow if i had dinner somewhere no i don't think so depends why you were having dinner at the house of lords maybe that's a string for my um my tireless charity work right is that true yeah but i'd only done one gig to warrant the um the invite, really. I just did a gig at the Irish Centre. And for some reason, then I got invited to dinner at the House of Lords. Yeah, no wonder it's tireless. You've barely done anything.

And I bought my mother. Lovely. We had a whale of a time. It wasn't actually a bicky. I just remember it was three chocolates. Right. And in a little thing that said House of Lords. Nice.

And they did have milk in, which is why they remain uneaten. So there's that you're not expecting, I suppose. That's nice. I've also got a pebble from a beach in Scotland, you know, different end of the scale. Why is that a souvenir? Tell us about the beach in Scotland

why do you think I need to keep a pebble from this beach sometimes you're drawn to a pebble and sometimes you pop it in your pocket and take it home but you know anything's a souvenir if you tell people it is and point at it and say where you got it from I'm not sure Greg would fall for that

I once, you'll like this about me Lou i once met peter andre and i kept his tea bag and where's that tea bag now i don't know i did i only kept it for a bit i thought it would be funny that's nice yeah that that might have gone for something on the internet or made someone happy yeah i don't think now i think maybe at the time it might have. And even then, it probably wasn't peak. It wasn't pique-a-randre time, so it probably wouldn't have got too much. That's very good. That's got his DNA all over it, though.

Yeah, I mean, does it? He wasn't... I checked, he wasn't sucking the tea bag to get all the flavour out. Oh, yeah, maybe not. Sorry, we don't all have tea like I have tea, do we? But that maybe is what I might have brought in if I still had it.

But let's talk about what the actual contestants brought in. Well, I will say on Mark's one, I wanted to know why he got turned back around from Kuwait. Yeah, there's a kind of a bit... Hey, was he Kuwaiting long? Thank you. Was it a long queue? Was it a long queue of waits?

Yeah, that's better. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's better. But you couldn't have got there without me. Never forget that. No, no, no, no. That was workshopping. That was called workshopping. Yeah.

What else? Aisling's teeth, that was gross and a real insight. So that was nice. Yeah, I think... So let's talk about Mark's briefly. I think it's interesting. I suppose it is extraordinary in that it isn't an ordinary thing to have, but somehow it's still quite ordinary. I can see why it got quite low points, but I liked it.

I think maybe three points. I just had a feeling about it. Yeah, I like the story and I like it was typical him to sort of go to great and not get in. So I would have given him an extra, but you know, maybe it's because he plays that bumbling, you know, you don't give points,

you give points to the alphas maybe in the room. I think you are right. I think you are. I think you are right that you need to present the prizes in a confident way if you you're already presenting them as if you've lost which is the way mark presents them and the way say in series nine that rose matafeya used to present the prize toss is occasionally she'd get halfway through telling greg what the prize was and she put her head in her hands it's not not a good way to start. Whereas, like you say, Aisling really nails it this time. She's been getting three points a lot in this,

but five points for a bag of her own baby teeth. But then it is just the best one, isn't it? It is clearly the most extraordinary souvenir. Yeah, it's a souvenir of life. And that's quite profound. Are you more head? You're not head in your hands when you present something. What's the opposite of head in your hands? You're not head in your hands when you present something.

What's the opposite of head in your hands? You're kind of arms. Dick in your mouth. Dick in your mouth. You're dick in your mouth. Yeah. You're a dick in your mouth guy. I'm more dick in your mouth. Yeah.

But it's mainly because I was so excited to present some of them to Greg because I thought they were funny. Yeah. You're dick out. You're dick out. You're dick out. I think that's what funny yeah um you're dick out you're dick you're dick out you're dick out I think that's what you are dick out yeah um and also I just quite often wanted to get that bit over with so I just wanted to have one line to say what it was because it is nerve-wracking especially when you're like fifth to present the prize yeah it

is nerve-wracking because so it is on the the flip of a coin if that's a saying no the flick it's like it's so arbitrary yes you could go either way so you're just hoping the wind is in your favor why do i keep coming out with really weird phrases today i love it i love this for you i think a dick in the mouth is is is the best way to go yeah yeah yeah um do you have any particular prize tasks that you were very proud of that you remember doing well in Series 8? Do you have any particular dicks in your mouth

you want to discuss? Prize task. Oh, I can't remember any of them. Can you? No, I can't. I didn't watch my own series. I can't actually, but you were there watching it

through your own head I suppose Oh come off of it, it was years ago No I remember one that I made a baby Our baby would look like me and Greg's To you know sort of win him over Had the opposite effect It's like you say it can go either way

Any other day The baby that you made to over had the opposite effect it's like you say you can go either way any other day the baby might the baby that you made to you the mock baby that you created might have worked our dna together might infuse might have yeah it took um you know a lot of men sometimes if you present them with the theory of having a baby with them a lot of men love that they lap that up but on this occasion greg went the other way you know you just can't tell sometimes you just can't tell um yeah i can't remember any others so the bag of our own baby teeth from ashling was great nish four points finish which is very very rare i can't stress this enough lou nish does not do well in this series so the fact he's got four points here is incredible he brought in a single man-made leaf

from the set of Lord of the Rings. So essentially he's a thief, is what we've established. He just picked it off the floor, popped it in his pocket on the set of Lord of the Rings. Or was it magic? Or was it magic? Did it appear in his pocket?

Does Lord of the Rings involve magic? Yes, there was some magic in Lord of the Rings. Okay, well, I can't see they'll be bothered about that then um because a lot of the rings um set is of course in new zealand so nish went there on a little souvenir trip um we went to new zealand together didn't we lou yeah you took me to a lot of meat restaurants where i couldn't eat anything. Did I? And then complained that I was trying to change the menu. No, you demanded we go to this Japanese restaurant because you thought it would be nice. And then every single dish you ordered,

you changed so it was completely unrecognizable. Yeah, well, I've got to do half the work for them, have I? Think of new ideas for them. Yeah, they should be paying me, mate. I don't care now. Yeah, they should be paying me, mate. I don't care now. Yeah, I like the rice idea, but have you tried that with pasta? See you in five. See you in five is

Lou's restaurant catchphrase. Yeah. It was four points. I think it was a really solid souvenir and it's a good prize toss from Nish and I'm very proud of him we're all very proud of him actually for bringing in a fucking stolen leaf

yes we are, ignore loose tone Nish we're very proud of you well I'm proud of him for stealing because that's very off brand he's a good little boy so I'm proud of him Sally brought in Abba Monopoly

and said she only brought it in to get Greg to sneer because she thought she might be sexually aroused by it I don't think I mean it got three points I don't think it's a hugely extraordinary souvenir it's sort of a mass produced board game. Also, there was no backstory of where she got it from.

No, we don't get to see much of the chat, do we? You know, oh, a souvenir, what, from amazon.co.uk? Oh, lovely. Shout out. I mean, I love, yes, not shout out. You can go to a shop called Not Amazon. Did you know that? There's a shop called Not Amazon.

Is there? Yeah. Well, you could go to Monopoly itself, itself you know give the little guys some money finally yeah that little company's just one man and his son um yeah it's not we don't get to see much of the chat so i guess maybe there was more chat that sort of justified it as an extraordinary souvenir but obviously we'll know this from the movies and our television career. Sometimes they edit it out so it's not as is, you know, and people at home might not know that, but it's not exactly as is, is it, Ed?

No, no, no. The things, everything you see on the screen, there might be more. There might be more than that. Yeah. Bob, a rare one point for Bob, he brought in a large Woody Woodpecker cuddly toy that he won at a holiday camp in Spain.

Lovely story. I thought that was harsh. I thought that was harsh because it was nice. It was sweet and it's big. It's a big Woody Woodpecker. Yeah, you couldn't maybe see the scale and that was to his adversity. Is that...

I'd say detriment. I thought you were heading for detriment. Adversity. I'd say detriment. I thought you were heading for detriment. We both feel that Bob Mortimer was underscored there, don't we? We do, but he's got a lot else out of life. And I don't think he's too fussed about it.

No, I don't. Well, that's the thing. He's not held him back. No, Bob is not fussed about anything in this show. He's very, very good, and he's clearly enjoying himself. But he very rarely gets flustered until later on. There's a task later on in this episode, which is, I think, the only time we really see Bob flustered in the history of Taskmaster.

Yeah, as in the dance. Yes, it is. So it was one point for Bob, two points for Mark, three points for Sally, four points for Nish and five points for ashling Bob what you bought any extraordinary? It's extraordinary to me. It's a big stuffed toy woodpecker So I It's very tall it's about five foot tall yeah Wow and I took my kids to

It's about five foot tall. Yeah. Wow. And I took my kids to, like, Butlins in south of Spain, and they wanted that. And, you know, when your kids are young, you want to make their dreams come true. So I spent five days trying to get that one, cos it was the ping-pongs, but there was one ping-pong right at the top. If you get that, you've got the big fucker.

I'm not a dad, but I would say that most kids' dreams are to spend five days with their dad. Task one, make marmite. You have ten minutes to select your ingredients, then ten minutes to make your marmite. Best marmite wins. Your time starts now. An excellent task.

I would have loved to do this task, Lou. Would you really? Yeah, I really would have done. I like cooking. Yes. I like trying to work out what ingredients are in things. I like trying to recreate dishes. I've been thinking about it for ages, what I would do, Lou.

Yeah, and what would you do? I would try and reduce Guinness on the hob. I'll get a can of Guinness and I would reduce it quite aggressively on the hob for as long as I possibly could to try and make a Guinness and I would reduce it quite aggressively on the hob for as long as I possibly could to try and make a Guinness syrup sort of thing maybe I'd have to use corn flour to thicken eventually but I really think if you reduce Guinness you could really get a sort of deep marmitey flavour and would you be a bit of a laugh where you were doing this or would you absolutely not I'd be so focused Guinnessness and salt is the way i do it

well well there's nothing stopping you just because you're not getting paid for it and you know there's nothing stopping you i bet you've got a little saucepan and i bet you've got a little can of guinness i bet i bet i do actually have both of those things yeah what a night you're in for tonight you you and Charlie. Oh, my goodness. And any thoughts as to what you... I mean, you'd probably use this as an opportunity to feed Alex something disgusting, wouldn't you? No, I'd take it very seriously.

I think... Well, it's hard now we've seen what they've done. It's hard to not be influenced by that. Because obviously stock cubes were, I think, the one, weren't they? I think I would have used a bouillon oui oui uh but then that's because I know now I bit of I probably would have put gravy in there and I know that's not cool to say but it's the same sort of color yes I think I think that's sort of the way to go is flavour profiles and colour.

Yeah, not colour profiles. Don't ever do that, please. No, please don't do that. Yeah, like you say, Bob did very well. He made it with beef oxo cubes, brown sauce and flour. He just went with sort of dark ingredients that he could find that had a sort of yeasty, beefy flavour. He seemed to think that Marmite was beef based. I think that's Bovril.

I think he's thinking of Bovril. That's Bovril, yeah. Marmite Famousy is one for the vegans. Yes. Do you like a bit of Marmite, Lulu? I absolutely... Thank you for asking, Ed. I absolutely love Marmite.

I can't get enough of the stuff. How much Marmite do you put on toast, for example? It's a medium to heavy layer but i soak it up and i think you'll like this with tomatoes to get the balance and um sometimes cucumber of amount of tomatoes and on occasion avocado and it really takes the edge off so you you're really catering for all the taste buds there yeah that, that's lovely. All the taste buds. All four taste buds. The Marmite taste bud, the tomato taste bud, the cucumber taste bud and the avocado

taste bud. Yes. Yeah, yep, yep, yep. I've got taste buds coming out my ass. Mark got four points. I mean, a lot of the points here were given by virtue of the fact that Nish was disqualified for example yes for example yeah uh but mark did pretty well the texture looked absolutely horrendous but he

seemed to nail the color um which this this felt like it was the sort of task set up for mark to have a complete meltdown but he did he did pretty well um ashling did something clever i think this was clever to use bovril because yeah yeah yeah could you have used bovril or even just like a marmite competitor like a non-brand name marmite competitor that's a good idea just use that and said i've made marmite yeah sainsbury's own other supermarkets exist yes if you if you're just hearing that from me for the first time that's gonna blow people's minds isn't it yeah yeah but um but yeah that's a really good idea that would have won you it i think well it's not it's another one that's not in the spirit of the task really um oh yeah i forgot about the spirit depends on the day depends on what sort of mood

they're in i suppose yeah um you've got to really get to the soul of the task sometimes haven't you do and yet that's what you were very good at on taskmaster lou i found you really got to the soul of the task you really threw yourself into everything i've you didn't even mention in your highlights i think which is the image that rings throughout the ages of you on taskmaster which which is you in a bin with your legs sticking out the bottom running along. Oh, that's because I do that a lot of the time. So that's not Taskmaster specific. Sorry, what were you going to say about Sally Phillips?

Oh, she had a meltdown again and it was joyous to watch. She seemed to make about five different jars, all the different things attached to them. One of them was just a jar of absinthe yeah one of them was attached to a horn yeah i love that she's a cheeky gal would you say she is she is a cheeky gal um she's so funny uh but two points and i don't i don't think she could care less really um nish just used actual mama i mean this again this is nish at his true worst intelligence wise decides to use actual marmite right which feels like cheating even though it doesn't it doesn't say that it's cheating but then decides to add other things to it so he's just taking actual marmite further away from

being marmite so he starts with something exactly like Marmite and gets worse and worse every time he adds something else it's such a crazy decision he's trying to cover all his bases but he's covering none kind of thing yeah no yeah he's I mean he's an idiot uh so it was nought points for Nish disqualified for using Marmite but I think it was because it doesn't say you can't use Marmite it's worth a shot just using Marmite and trying to argue it in the studio but taking pure Marmite and adding stuff to it

is a crazy decision from Kumar The boy's an idiot really We love him We love him but he's not helping himself but I bet he's very good on another show I can't think of one now, but there must be one. His show that he used to do?

Yeah, his show, Live at the Apollo, something like that, stand-up based. Yeah, he's very good on that. Anything practical, no thank you. No. But he's very funny and sweet on this show, we should say. And we love Nish. He's a fucking sweetheart. No one can take that away from him he's a... And we love Nish. I'm not trying to be mean. He's a fucking sweetheart. No one can take that away from him.

It was nought points for Nish, two points for Sally, three points for Aisling, four points for Mark and five points for Bob, the big five. This is the best Marmite because it is not Marmite.

Isn't that awesome? Drink it. Mm-hmm. Oh, my God. Marmite number one. Come on, that's amazing. Yeah, it is. I really feel drunk. Yeah. That's number one. Number two. The best Marmite. The best Marmite number one. Come on, that's amazing. Yeah, it is. I really feel drunk. Yeah. That's number one.

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Your time starts now. Let's talk team tasks quickly, Lou. Now your team task uh possibly one of the most controversial in taskmaster history big up big argument between you and sterling oh gosh well poor old ian because people really went for him uh like he was just being funny you know but like social politics the way it is and I'm all for women you know me I love them but I think people thought you can't talk to a woman like that but I didn't not have the power any more than he do you know I mean we're equals we're friends so he was just being like funny and I was getting ratty with him like it was just we were just like mucking about but like a bit

ratty with each other for it but we didn't really care and then everyone was like oh my god like ian got and i did feel really bad for him because we're friends so you can talk to your friend how you like really no of course and it's because i think more people jumped on it because when they cut back to the studio he was so mortified yeah like gave such a long apology um everyone was like maybe he did do something awful we should yeah that's why you should just deny it if anything deny deny deny deny

even if you do something awful just say you haven't done it and you should say it's the other person's fault yeah point at them and that's when Nish left Mashable but um now Ian is is great and we're friends so it but yeah poor old ian but anyway that was uh but you were a lovely team other than that i think you ian and paul sinner were a really sweet lovely team i loved that task you did where you had to uh you had to make the giant man you sort

of did a bit of synchronized stuff in that way you all got into the bin bags and all uh all sort of had to work your arms and legs at the same time was very sweet and paul well you know go under some bin bags and lovely for me because you know i'm usually running around in a bin but i don't often have it lined so it's a real luxury day for me um yeah i felt lucky actually with my uh teammates but i mean there's not been a series i wouldn't like to be in really no true um this this task is is great uh do something remarkable synchronized i mean this watching ashling bob and sally do this it reminds me of every time i was like hanging out with girls or like family friends who were girls and they were like well we're gonna do a dance now that's how we're gonna the next couple of hours we're all gonna do a

dance and Ed you're in this as well and then I just screw it up so much poor Bob he's so he's so flustered yeah but it's lovely to see I mean yeah unless you sort of feel bad that you're taking points away which I mean luckily the other team did crap as well but I love to see I mean yeah unless you sort of feel bad that you're taking points away which I mean luckily the other team did crap as well but I love to see synchronized things it's one of life's big joys really isn't it yeah yeah I guess because it's like we're all in unison and we're all one well yeah Ashley and Sally are and then and then poor Bob is trying so hard that's the thing it's not like he doesn't care. He's really, really trying.

And you can see on his face every time he gets it wrong. He's like, oh, come on, come on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he swallows the tea. Yeah. Like, I mean, that's a basic. Keep your tea in your mouth. That would have been a lovely moment.

But on Stars in Their Eyes, did he not do any synchronised dance? No, probably not, actually. It was a different vibe. Stars in Their Eyes eyes lou uh what's it called shooting stars as far as i know he might have done stars in their eyes but um no no no shooting stars god it's like talking to your grandma sometimes isn't it um also i saved your toffee but also um i'm always trying to get people to do dances now like uh but yeah i love i'd love to do like a team dance i am i did a salsa class once oh god my wife yeah um because we were staying at like a one of those like health farms bar places and you got a free class and i was like we should do the salsa class she was like I don't know it's a good idea and we went and I was really bad

like really bad I'm basically one tube of flesh beginning to end I've got no like hips or anything um and we were we were doing it and I just couldn't get it right and I got so flustered Lou and but Bob sort of you know Bob is sort of admitting that he got it wrong and you can see he's annoyed with himself yeah I felt really backed into a corner and I told Charlie that I thought the teacher was doing it wrong oh no the teacher's doing it wrong she keeps changing her mind on what we're doing I'm doing it right oh really couldn't be more embarrassing and Charlie just scooped you back and sort of popped you back at the breakfast bar come on back to the buffet

well me and uh me and my boyfriend tried to do dancing and we looked watched this was recently as well so super embarrassing tried to do like tango and salsa. They were both too hard for us. But actually he was quite good. And then I did my move. And what happened is I was doing my moves and then he had to stop for a laugh break and just laugh for 10 minutes. Laughed at me.

Never a good sign. And then we tried street dancing and that was even worse. Oh God, I feel ashamed just thinking about it. Carry on. Let's move on. Let's talk about Mark and Nish. me never a good sign and then we tried street dancing and that was even worse oh god i feel ashamed just thinking about it carry on let's move on let's talk about mark and nish i mean just i've written notes here lou and my first note about mark and nish's uh synchronized um piece is i really have no faith in them yeah you know just when you're like okay nish and mark i've got to do something synchronized there is absolutely no way they're going to be able to do it and that was borne out it was an absolute mess yeah but it

could have gone so well the outfits the idea was really good lovely idea exposition x x how do you say it the execution was bad yes it was bad um it's of course they're not going to be synchronized i mean straight away they're doing things differently um as greg pointed out a disaster to give mark a massive glass of whiskey like you can just see it throws him off for the rest for the rest of the thing for the rest of the uh series yeah the rest of the series yeah maybe all the tasks we've seen up until this point were filmed directly after he had that big glass of whiskey um but like neither of them will go on uh dancing with the stars would they i think they'd be too too clumsy oh god imagine i'd love i'd like to see it not dancing with the stars what's the one strictly come dancing i i've never even thought

about the possibility of mark or nish being on strictly come dancing and i'd like to see them doing it together so they're partnered up with each other so it's a blind leading the blind as it were so there's no professional dancer involved no i'd love that i'd absolutely love that that's that's an idea first week do you think maybe no because people will be like we need to keep these clowns around, these plumes. So they'd be in it right to the end, but they'd come second. They are a lovely team, though. Normally in Taskmaster, there's an element of someone's good

and someone's a bit bad. And, you know, very rarely are people on exactly the same page. And I think Nish and mark sort of support each other through it when they're a team and it's lovely i think it's really sweet yeah it's nice but you know mark is better and he's you know he's hanging around with a bad crowd dragging him down you know he's better at taskmaster not a better person they're both lovely boys but there's of course i know people are going to get annoyed because we know that in the last episode of the series they do their song

which is just their crowning achievement and really rounds off their story arc perfectly so we are aware that they're not always bad okay but we enjoy watching them when they are yeah yeah stop your tweets your ham-fisted i I was going to say the C word, but I stopped myself. Well done. You just popped it in everyone else's minds. Well, my observation was that you were never synchronised. But why put a giant glass of whisky in when Mark Watson clearly struggles... ..clearly struggles to power drink a giant glass of whisky at mid-morning.

I think there's a pattern, really, in this taskmaster. I'm more about commitment than actual attainment. LAUGHTER Task three, part one. Wear this blindfold, blow up this balloon so that its circumference is the same as the length of a standard cucumber. You have one minute. Your time starts when Alex blows his whistle. And I'll read out part two now.

Task three, part two. Spot the difference. Have a look at the scene in front of you and explain exactly what's changed since you put the blindfold on. You have two minutes. Your time starts now. Very interesting. I think now, Lou, that people are so attuned to Taskmaster when they go into it

that if they saw that scene when they sat down yes they'd instantly be going why is that there do we have to remember something what's on that scene that's certainly I think what I'd do it was very crafty in a time gone by but we've we've grown with Taskmaster so we've got one eye on the prize now yes yeah but i do think also when you're in the moment and you're sort of not it's weird when you're under a light pressure how much you don't take in as well yeah yeah having said that i'd be quite good at it i probably would have absolutely destroyed it or just sat the wrong way on the chair or something and not looked at the scene whatsoever um and and i don't know like people i don't know you wouldn't necessarily think it would spot the difference

you might think it was uh something else like but put the balloon over there or something yeah you might think yeah that was my first thought when i saw it i was like oh it's gonna be put the balloon over there yeah it's often yeah it's often my standard old put the balloon over there a weekend with father again yeah who was playing put the balloon over there put the balloon over there uh but it's very i mean it was very funny it's a really good idea um especially changing changing alex i think was an absolute stroke of genius just to get that moment they must have been punching the air when Mark not only didn't realize that Alex had changed but walked off and said bye Alex yeah lovely how do you think you would have done Lou um that's

what the difference if I was thinking about it okay if i was not thinking about it probably would have got two yeah i think i would have noticed alex was different because you know me i'm a people person you know you are and you're good with energy as well if you felt you probably would have felt a different energy coming from over there yes not as dark if it was not alex very dark energy he's got quite see i'm not good good with energy so does Alex have quite a dark energy? No. He's one of the most trustworthy lovely guys I've met

certainly. And he smells nice. Does he? I don't get that close to sniffing. I don't. Yeah, he fucking stinks of rotten egg. No, I don't get close enough to smell him. He't um it's a handshake you know yeah he doesn't hug i mean we've talked about this many times he doesn't hug the guy

he's uh not very affectionate um well you would have been in good company with two points because bob and sally got two points they did not do very well mark and nish of course back together the old team three out of ten ashling pretty much stormed this. She got five out of ten, but to notice the rug was the wrong way around, to notice that Alex was different and his hat was different, all very good. She's a very observant person, Aisling. Yes. But it was all about the combined points with the blowing up of the balloon.

Not many people can blow up a balloon on this series, and there's quite a lot of balloon-based things. How are you at blowing up balloons, Lulu? Well, thank you for asking, Ed, actually. Listen, I've had a few parties in my time and you don't get to where I am without not having a few parties in the balloons you blow up yourselves. Yes.

I'm not getting the PA to do it, put it that way. So, yeah, I'm quite... I was going far to say I'm quite good at blowing up balloons. Quite good, but yeah. Once after a bad one night stand, well not really a one night stand, I had a little to do in the disabled toilet on holiday once and with a guy, we went snow snowboarding. And nothing really happened. We didn't culminate it in an ending.

So for a joke, I just got the condom and blew it up and put it on my head like a space helmet. Bit of fun. You know, end on a laugh, if not the traditional way. Did you see this chap again? No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. So did he leave you in the toilet

with the condom on your head? Well, it's hard to say actually now. I mean, certainly that's what you'd sort of assume would happen. I'm going around saying I'm Buzz Aldrin. This helmet's as dry as a bone, that sort of thing. But I can't really remember. Well, you've remembered all the key points. Yeah, yeah.

We'll do the combined scores. Mark and Aisling both got eight points. Bob got six points. Nish got five points. And Sally languishing in the bottom there for that double task with four points. Not a bad effort from Nish, considering, well, how spectacularly rubbish he is across the board.

LAUGHTER Now, Nish didn't do very well. The beard, the cat and the hat, that old story. Oh, that old children's tale. Whereas Aisling was the only one who noticed it wasn't me. Yes, and yet earlier on, with the Marmite, you stabbed me in my face. Slightly more simple task for task four.

It's sneeze. Fastest wins. Your time starts now. Good task. Really good. I can imagine you really going for this one, Lou. Yeah, I was thinking when I was watching it, what would I do? And I would have borrowed a cat, knocked door to door, in the interest of time uh borrowed a cat and just shoved it in my face would that do it straight away yeah the top end

head end in the face head end because if you borrow a cat you can't be you know you can't you've got to be careful with a stranger's cat you can't sniff the old ass no oh god nor would you want to really if you think about it. It's not going to make you sneeze, is it? We've had farts. Fastest wins. Time starts now. The individual task for Mike Wozniak.

Easy. Easy. Do you reckon you could do that easily? Yeah, I think I've got gut problems. Oh, lovely. How many parps a day do you have, would you say? Depends what I've eaten, really. On average, maybe 10 to 12 oh dear

is that bad no it's bad for me oh how many do you do about 40 but i'm sorting it out because i've given up gluten and wheat so actually actually it's a lot better since i've given up wheat and gluten so is that reduced so say it was 40 when you're eating gluten and wheat how many is it yeah probably like six or seven actually but i've only done it for a week so okay it's been a lovely week if you've hung out with me this week i've not noticed in the past that you've been farting 40 times a day lou i'm not like you know oh yeah watch this you know I'll sort of go off and turn around

you do go off a lot yeah I go off and spin around you see me in the corner spinning around yeah that's true actually I just assumed it was your free spirit

but now I know that the 40 times a day that you go off into the corner and spin around is you doing a big fart maybe it was 30. But anyway, it's right down to seven really now.

And what's the smell like? What a success story when you think about it. Oh, that varies from wild pig to domestic pig, really. I bet domestic pigs smell quite nice, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but wild pigs, no thank you. Well, anyway, let's not get caught up in that. I fear it's too late.

The task is sneeze fastest wins. Aisling and Sally, I'm really disappointed in them here. Didn't do genuine sneezes. They bailed out of it. They thought they could act their way because they're both good actors. Fair. Yeah, but women are liars.

You know, and I can't stress that enough. That's what you've got to remember. But I think, yeah, I think maybe just because it says sneeze fastest wins your time starts now it's sort of ambiguous isn't it the task it's sort of it suggests that you could possibly do a fake sneeze and try and get away with it

whereas of course what we want to see as a viewer is someone putting themselves through pain someone putting themselves through agony to try and sneeze and maybe they just went after that that day yeah but you've got that it's nice that everyone does a different path you know you've got that with the boys sticking their head in pepper pots you know yes and the girls are just like there we go let's move on let's get on with the day yeah yeah yeah um bob uh and bob went for white pepper which i think is a really really good

idea white pepper properly makes me sneeze as well white pepper was when i was paranoid i had covid in lockdown one was the thing i went to sniff to make sure my sense of smell was still there oh no that's it's pungent did yeah it was i don't i didn't have covid and then i got a nose full of white pepper which probably wasn't a good idea um and it really works for him he snorts it he snorts it all up oh i love when mark says um yeah you can see why um people are sort of snorting the other stuff at the parties and not this mark again i mean that this is uh true to mark um he throw he throws everything at it he really goes for it and then even when he can't do it on the day, he sends video evidence after 48 hours of him sneezing.

And you know what? He sneezes exactly as I'd imagined he sneezes. It's so weird. It's so weird. The impact of the sneeze almost sort of breaks his body. Yeah. Yeah. Nish tried to bring on hay fever

by popping a flower up his nose Sniffs flower which I don't feel like that should bring on sneezes it's just powder isn't it? It doesn't really feel like it would bring on sneezes He'd heard about a hay fever and he got the wrong end of the stick I think Poor old Nishy

But gives up after 10 minutes poor nishi uh nought points for him but the worst is to give up after having shoved a flower up your nose and then yeah covering your face in flower i love how much of a wally he is it's brilliant um so it was nought points for him as well i mean so mark gets the four points which i'm not i mean i guess fastest wins your time starts now he's not limited to any time uh and 48 hours was his time and he still gets four points oh wow i missed that yeah and then bob gets five points for doing it in 10 minutes and one second why why what do you mean why because mark did it the longest time like a longer time because ashling and sally and nish

didn't do it but what about bob bob got five points oh yeah okay great that's four points that that all works out no i still i i i think those points i'd do the same yes yeah yeah well you can't do anything different really because it's just based on Well, that's maths That's basic maths Sneeze for me I'll get the clock ready Have a point It all works out as far as I'm concerned

Sneeze, faster than the wind Your time starts now Right I've recorded half a second Yes, but can I tell you that I already did a sneeze before that I would like accounted Is that done?

Yeah, I'll just take the hanky and... And when we analysed the footage, were they definitely sneezes? Yeah. Did it go? Sssh! And was that a real one? Yeah. These are all real sneezes?

Everything's a real sneeze. What is real? What brings on sneezing? Jumping really high? Or sticking the tail of this up my nose? Will brings on sneezing? Jumping really high? Or sticking the tail of this up my nose. Will that make me sneeze? I don't feel...sneezy. White pepper always seems stronger to me. Achoo! Yes!

The live task was stand on one leg for the longest while playing a game of Greg Says Alex Says. Your raised foot must remain above the balloon at all times and must not touch any other item last person to pop their balloon wins that is a great task it's a great task it's simple get get a spiked shoe get a balloon go down in history i can imagine you would be quite good at this one though i'd imagine you got good balance i think uh well yeah ask my yoga teacher yeah i have i don't have a yoga teacher

but i i think i would be quite good but it's very easy to wobble as well it's not a set thing you can have good balance generally yeah but one move in the wrong direction in your toast yes i i would i would be over fairly quickly actually i think uh bob bailed out very quickly i think that would be me because my balance is truly dreadful you could like i'm similar to nish you can see nish wobbling immediately as soon as he stands on one leg that's that's me well your diabetes is holding you back, isn't it? You can't dance for a sausage and you can't balance for a point, you know, and that's you.

Take you as you come, you know? I'm not sure it's anything to do with my diabetes. I think it's just poor balance. But hey, you know, it's a good excuse. Did you enjoy doing the live tasks in your series, Lou? Oh, I loved it because you're so in the moment. You don't get time to think. And it's there and there's an audience.

So you're all just like in it. It's so fun. Aisling smashes it. Good balance. Good balance on Aisling. You'd associate Aisling with good balance, actually. She was a dancer when she was younger. She can hula hoop.

You know, that girl's a full package, you know? Her mum was a jockey. Her mum was a dancer when she was younger she can hula hoop you know that girl's full package you know her mum was a jockey your mum was a jockey that you know you can see that by looking at her you need balance to stay on the horse um but mark i wouldn't associate with good balance and he gets four points so well done mark was that after the whiskey even the whiskey might have worn off by then so it was four points for Mark, three points for Sally, two points for Nish, and a victory for Nish to not come bottom there. And one point to Bob. Now, the final scores in this episode,

Aisling and Mark both out in front with 24 points, Bob with 21, Sally with 15, Nish with 12. So it was a tie-break task. Can I just say something positive about our friend nishi yeah he sometimes loses on it but he looks lovely while he's losing he does he's a very lovely handsome sweet boy go on so there was a tie break task which was back throw a picture of a swede into a bin whilst looking at a picture of the taskmaster fewest attempt wins and surprisingly mark wins we've seen him uh throw some things in a pretty weird way so far

this series but uh 15 attempts the winner versus ashling's 66 attempts wow i don't know why i would have i would have had ashling down as being a good thrower as well. Well, I will say, not to bring this back to me, but I would have got that in one throw. I'm not sure that's true, Lou. Well, I've tried it before. Have you? And you got it in one? Well, four.

Right. So what makes you think you would have got it in one then? Pressure of the television. Pressure of the television. Yeah, okay. But, no, I think I have got it in one then pressure of the television pressure of the television yeah okay but no i think i could get it in very i'm very good at throwing things into things and that's just one of my skills i don't think i would i would have been more than 66 attempts i'd imagine i don't think that's very good that's bad because 66 is bad and it'd be worse than that it's really really bad. Yeah, terrible. Which gives Mark the victory this episode.

And he is in the lead in the series. You know, I can't apologise enough at how much we've been mean to Mark. When Mark comes on, he's coming on next week, I will apologise, I promise. He is good first place. Yes, good first place. Mark, 75 points. Bob, 72 points. Ashley, first place. Mark, 75 points. Bob, 72 points.

Ashley, 67 points. Sally, 65 points. So it's all quite close there. And Nish is there too, 56 points. But he's a good spirit. He brings good spirit. Luli, we've had a couple of emails in. If you wouldn't mind answering some emails from listeners, is that okay?

I would love to. I love to reach out to the fans. Okay. This is from Frank in Norway, Lou. Ooh! We have a very international listener base. Yes. Hi, question for Lou Sanders.

On a scale from 1 to 10 ten how much do you regret the repeated cry of mummy ah and a question for both um if they were to make a a loser of losers special who apart from nishku mark do you think would take part and who do you think would win both good questions let's deal with the mummy situation now do you regret the cry of mummy i'm i'm gonna say that you don't regret it at all though no i don't actually and also i don't know why it came out though it was just an involuntary thing yeah it just like i was like oh i don't think that's very cool like as i was saying it and it's like well i can't stop myself i guess it's like a twitchy eye what can you do you lean into it and start winking at everyone is um is is mummy something that you'd said previously to taskmaster when you're in a

panic situation it's something specific about taskmaster well well well i don't know because i wouldn't have really clocked it necessarily you know i mean you only really stay yourself in the face when it's like because there are a few of them, I suppose. But then I have noticed myself saying it since. Yes. Like if I'm in a tight position or something. Yeah. And I'm like, ooh, mummy.

Like, I don't know. But it's so weird because I just think I may have been saying it like here and there, very scattered, and not really known about it until it was yeah staring me in the face and uh question for both um if they were to make a loser of losers special who apart from this kumar do you think would take part richard herrick um who are the big losers uh the last places chowdhury i think chowdhury was oh lovely chowdhury was bottom um very funny i don't know i can't speak to who would take part um i don't know

what people's schedules are like i don't know how much people enjoyed it uh you know you'd hope that Nish would be up for it you'd hope that Chowdhury would be up for it, Roisin was bottom in series one she was fantastic love to see her again how did Wango do, did he come quite Wango was bottom I believe as well so you'd want

Wango in there they should definitely do a losers thing that would be really good Paul Sinner of course, was he bottom actually or was it Sian so you'd want Wango in there. They should definitely do a Losers thing. That would be really good. Paul Sinner, of course. Was he bottom actually or was it Sian? I think it was probably Paul. It's got to be Paul, right? Sian was quite good.

Sian did really... Sian did some of them immaculately. Yeah, it was Paul Sinner last. It was Paul Sinner. But the thing is, they're all very, very entertaining. So you could put these contestants together. David Baddiel, for example, from Series 9. It would be very, very entertaining to watch.

Oh, I love to see there's not very many... The one time where I love to see that there's not very many women in the group is in the loser pile well correct so i mean obviously a lot of women um roshin and katherine parkinson from series 10 who i'd love to see right yeah fantastic and charlotte richie from series 11 so you know quite a lot victoria corne mitchell from series 12 quite a lot of women actually but it would be lovely to see all of them back i think all of them let's do a massive loser of losers special with yeah 12 losers in there yeah yeah um thank you very much for your emails do keep them coming back in taskmasterpodcast at gmail.com lou thank you so much for coming on the taskmaster podcast what we like to do here on the taskmaster podcast is we get our guests to rate their experience on the taskmaster podcast between one and five points in the style of the taskmaster um i want you to be honest i

want you to be truthful have you had a nice time please rate your time between one i've had a lovely time i should have had a coffee before i started the only thing that's blighted the time is me pulling out the microphone three times um and i've pulled my back just before it but i don't think i can i don't think i can mark you down on that can i you can if you want well then three i will take that three it's you're right it seems unfair but i'm going to take it anyway three points from lou sanders because she pulled her back out forgot to have a coffee and ruined her microphone thank you so much lou uh we will have to have you back on the taskmaster podcast

when we discuss series eight uh we can chat to you about about a couple of episodes from that um it's been lovely to speak to you thank you for having me it's always lovely to see you lovely to see you and i'll see you very soon all right love you bye bye there we are typically chaotic episode with lou lovely to see her always a laugh um and some insight into the episode as well to be fair to her uh don't forget to catch up on all of Taskmaster on all four and the Taskmaster New Year's treat is on January the 1st at 9pm watch it then listen to the podcast straight afterwards thank you very much hope you have

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