Taylor Lorenz’s Power User - How Charlie Kirk Memes Are Radicalizing Gen Z w/ Ryan Broderick

Episode Date: December 17, 2025

SUPPORT ME ON PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/c/taylorlorenz        Buy a subscription to my Tech and Online Culture newsletter, User Magazine to support my work!!!! 🙏 https://www.usermag.co    After Charlie Kirk was killed in front of a crowd of students in Utah, right wing influencers and pundits claimed that his killing would result in millions of Charlie Kirks. Almost immediately, mini me Charlie Kirk clones began cropping up, and far right Gen Z influencers began attempting to mimic Charlie's viral debate formats. But pretty soon, things went off the rails. Hardly a month after Charlie died, his widow Erika Kirk was pictured giving an awkwardly close embrace to JD Vance in skin tight pleather pants. Donld Trump all but forgot Charlie existed, and very quickly, Charlie became a meme.  Ryan Broderick is an online culture journalist and he's been covering The Great Kirkification. He joined me to talk about the rise of Charlie Kirk slop and what it's morphing into. Because as fun as it is to laugh at absurd memes featuring Charlie Kirk's face plastered into some mpreg emoji, the whole thing has taken a sharp turn lately and is now funneling a lot of people right back into the far right.  We dig into this new hyper online esoteric form of Naziism, explain the lore behind the mythical city of Agartha, and explain what all of this says about the current state of the internet, politics, and culture. Follow me:https://www.instagram.com/taylorlorenz               https://www.instagram.com/taylorlorenz3.0               https://www.tiktok.com/@taylorlorenz 

I had a couple of people be like, oh, I thought these were funny, and I liked them, and then my feed filled up with, like, insane Nazi stuff. On September 10th, 2025, Charlie Kirk was shot to death in front of a crowd of students in Utah. Just a week and a half later, a massive rally and memorial was held in his honor at State Farm Stadium in Glendale, Arizona. The event was attended by over 90,000 people, and Donald Trump, J.D. Vance, Marco Rubio, and a slew of other high-profile political and media figures, praised Kirk and framed his death as the start of a holy war. They claimed that his killing would result in millions of Charlie Kirk's. Get married. Have a million kids and live out your American dream. And by doing that, we can create millions and millions and millions of Charlie Kirk's.

And we can save our land. Now I believe with the assassination with the heinous murder of Charlie Kirk, that millions of Charlie Kirk's were created today. That today will be a never forget kind of day. Almost immediately, mini me Charlie Kirk clones began cropping up and far right Gen Z influencers began attempting to mimic Charlie's viral debate formats. The far right also began cracking down on online speech.

At least 600 Americans lost their jobs for saying stuff about Charlie Kirk online, including 50 academic administrators. By contrast, just 22 academics were fired. in 2020 for Black Lives Matter commentary, and 160 total for pro-Palestine views, meaning the crackdown over Charlie Kirk was the most extreme form of cancel culture we've ever witnessed. Content creators like Asman Gold claimed, quote, this will radicalize a generation.

And conservatives for weeks continued to push this idea that Charlie's death would be avenged. But pretty soon, things went off the rails. Hardly a month after Charlie died, his widow, Erica Kirk was pictured giving an awkwardly close embraced to J.D. Vance in skin-tight pleather pants. Donald Trump pretty much all but forgot about Charlie Kirk and very quickly, Charlie became a meme. Ryan Broderick is an online culture journalist and he's been covering the great Kirkification. Today he's joining me to talk about the rise of Charlie Kirk's slop and what it's morphing into because as fun as it is to laugh at all the absurd memes featuring Charlie Kirk's face plastered onto like some M-Prag emoji or whatever. Lately, the whole thing

has taken a sharp turn, and it's now funneling a lot of people right back into the far right. We're going to dig into this new hyper online esoteric form of Nazism. Explain the lore behind the mythical city of Agartha. You might have seen these edits of Charlie Kirk flying behind Alex Jones on TikTok or Instagram Reels lately. And we're going to explain what all of this says about the current state of the internet, politics, and culture. Hi, Ryan. Welcome to Power User Podcast. Hi, thanks for having. me. All right. So I want to kind of dive back for people that might have been seeing these Charlie Kirk memes on their timeline, but can't really remember. I feel like we all entered in such a fugue

state this fall, like how this all began. When did this sort of like Kirkification begin? When did things move from memorializing, eulogizing Charlie Kirk to meming him? How did that all start? I was surprised to find out that it happened pretty much immediately. Best as I can tell, like within a week of his death, there were memes about him. These early memes were not exactly making fun of him. They were being passed around, particularly people in like the cryptocurrency world who are making like AI generated videos about what if Charlie Kirk was brought back as the Terminator. A lot of these are super racist.

And the idea was sort of to venerate him while also playing with it and having fun with it. And then we've just sort of seen these memes kind of devolve over the last, you know, a couple months. Some people were, of course, meming the day of and like the like hashtag Charlie's squirt and like, Some of the content then was out there. And then, like, there is this sort of crackdown and policing of social media. People were potentially getting fired from their jobs. I feel like it pulled back. And you saw a lot of AI slop that wasn't necessarily intentionally meaming him,

but like the one where he ascends with the flag of Israel around him to God or whatever. That was sort of like, I feel like it ended up as an ironic meme by people on the left, but it wasn't necessarily intended that way. And I feel like that sort of seems to be a lot of this stuff, like even though we are Charlie Kirk's song, which went viral. It seems like it started off as serious and then sort of got twisted. So can you talk through kind of like the evolution of just in the first month, like how the memeification of Charlie Kirk kind of progressed?

Yeah. So what you're describing, that kind of confusing, like is this supposed to be serious or not thing? What that is, is there is a massive chunk of what we would call normies who are super, super conservative and far right now. MAGA is effectively mainstream. And there's a lot of Boomer MAGA. accounts that make AI-generated slop for MAGA boomers and more sophisticated, more intellectual people on the far right, younger people, they find this very embarrassing.

And so if you're on the outside looking in, it's actually very hard to tell what is ironically or genuinely being shared by these different right-wing factions. And a huge chunk of these young people hated Charlie Kirk because Charlie Kirk was embarrassing. Charlie Kirk was a sellout. Charlie Kirk was the Genzy, the younger kind of person who sold out to them. So when he died, it kind of became a free-for-all. And you can see this interplay if you look really closely, but like from the from the outside, it looks ridiculous. Like it all just looks like garbage slop. But there, there are different people sharing this stuff for different reasons. Well, let's kind of break down those different factions of like the fandom and the,

I wouldn't even say anti-fandom, but maybe the haters is like, I feel like you have the mainstream of Charlie Kirk fans that, like you said, or that maybe the authentic audience for the most cringe sort of slop out there, which are like the boomers, basically. And then you have the leftists where everything is sort of ironic. And obviously they hate Charlie Kirk because he was like a right-wing extremist. But talk about this other group because I remember, I mean, in the aftermath of his killing,

I feel like a lot of people, including the New York Times, like learned the word griper for the first time. And we weren't even aware of sort of like the Groyper Wars. So can you sort of fill people in on that lore? and the different factions within the young conservative, right? Yeah, so let's break it down, right? So we've got MAGA as the new mainstream Republican Party. For all, you know, intensive purposes, they are the boomers.

They are the old guard now. I mean, MAGA has been going on for almost 15 years at this point, 10 years, right? So they are seen as old and out of touch. And you have these younger Gen Z extremists. They're called Groyper's. Their name comes from like an obese Pepe the Frog meme. And their de facto leader is a Holocaust denials. nying live streamer named Nicholas Fuentes. They aren't really as prevalent as they used to be

as Nick Fuentes has become more popular, but their attitudes have spread. They're extremely xenophobic, they're extremely isolationist. They don't want any American military presence outside of the U.S. They believe in eugenics. They believe in no voting rights for women. They don't really believe in anything, actually, in a way. Like, they are, I wouldn't say nihilistic, but they are the total race to the bottom and result of a decade under Trump's thumb. And they believe that Trump is being held back from being more extreme. And they hated Charlie Kirk to the point where they would show up and they would heckle him in real life, to the point where the shooter was believed to have been a grope, initially by the FBI or by certain journalists. It's a little

uncomfortable to say this, but they have a sense of humor that is very irony-based in the same way a lot of hardcore leftists are. And they're aware of this. And so they'll insert like super, super, you know, niche neo-Nazi imagery or references into their stuff, hoping that it's ironically shared by leftists spread by people who don't know what they're talking about. And they really just want to doggpile any training topic. And Charlie Kirk's death was the biggest training topic of the year. Let's like kind of explain, I guess, like the different types of memes that have arisen, like in the sort of Kirkification, because I feel like we've seen stuff evolve, like, actually towards more of those extreme spaces, like more of the content today. I think the meme

content about Charlie Kirk today fits in line with the stuff that you're just talking about versus sort of what it was before. So right after Charlie died and like the memes that were posted at that point, when do you think that meme culture evolved to kind of become dominated mostly by these hyper online extremists? So the Charlie Kirk Terminator stuff was definitely the first one. It's like an AI generated web series about what if Charlie Kirk was brought back as a cyborg and then him and Hitler, Alex Jones, like traveled around the world beating up black people and liberals and stuff. And it's promoted by a lot of cryptocurrency people and it's been kicking around since September. So that's like the first big one. Then you also have leftists that are trying to push

exactly how offensive they can be about Charlie Kirk. And this dovetailed with the Trump administration really going all in on revering Charlie Kirk as a martyr. So as Trump became more hysterical about Charlie Kirk's death and how we should all honor it, the more it became a taboo that people could sort of start to manipulate or play with. And so this is where you start to see people using Kirkin on it as a euphemism for whirl sex because he's the throat goat. This is where you start to see the kind of like dicks out for heron. Rombay style absurdist, dark humor about Charlie Kirk's death. I saw a conspiracy theory being passed around ironically that he didn't die.

His neck just did that. Like, there's all this kind of stuff circulating. And this is happening like late September, early October. And as this is happening in the background, a lot of AI generated accounts targeting conservative boomers are making insane AI slop about Charlie Kirk. This is also showing up in like megachurches where Charlie Kirk is like being AI generated into a video where he's talking to Jesus. And as these accounts become more popular, people start discovering more and more surreal, weird,

AI-generated, genuinely shared Kirk content. All of this starts to collide last month, basically. And this is where you get, you know, the AI face swaps of Charlie Kirk, the deep fakes where they're taking his face and they're putting it onto like rappers and famous memes. Yeah. How did that start? Because I feel like suddenly every single face that you started to see on the internet was replaced with Charlie Kirk.

I can tell you how it started. because I reached out to the person who started it, and they ghosted me, and I'm very mad about it. So right now they're going by money spread. They're an account on X that just makes tons of these, tons and tons of these. And I did reach out to them, and they talked to me very briefly, and I asked him, like, what are your political views?

And they completely ghosted me, which I don't really know what to make of that. It could be that they are a Groyper, and they thought it was funny. It could also be that they just don't care at all. And they realized that, like, it was pissing people off or making people laugh, and they kept doing it. And then that has spread. And then that has spread. that spreading, we have a ton of Charlie Kirk, like, groiper slop spreading around TikTok.

So this is the stuff that we can go further into about like Agartha and Hyperboria. And then we also have the AI generated song, We Are Charlie Kirk, which goes viral after it's already gone viral among conservatives. So basically like apolitical shit posters and leftists and liberals discover that it's so popular on Spotify. And then that goes viral in its own way. So now there's tons of remixes. And so all of the, it's basically like all these different corners of the internet are making fun of Charlie Kirk and making fun of the martyr status that was sort of imposed upon him by the administration. And the point that I've tried to make in a couple different pieces, including one in the Rolling Stone, is that Trump has always sort of succeeded

by not having standards, by not respecting anything, by not really caring, by being this sort of cultural wrecking ball. And that veneer kind of broke in September. Because suddenly they're making us do like flags at half mass for him and there's, you know, televised funerals for him and all this stuff. And it's like, well, wait a minute. Like if the administration cares about something, that means that we can bother them. We can mess with them. We can troll them. And that is a first, actually. It is kind of amazing to find like the one red line for trumpists. And now that people have found it, both leftists and extreme right wing people, extreme far right people are triggering MAGA that way. It's, it's kind of fascinating. Yeah, it's kind of also just like seems like so the opposite

of what people were claiming in the wake of Kirk's death when there was the big, you know, rally in Arizona. And they're like, we're going to have a million Charlie Kirk's. And like, you've started this movement or you had the Magabombs being like, I'm raising my lions, you know, to stand up to the woke culture. And it seems like it just sort of backfired on them. I think it absolutely backfired on them. And historically, it does.

I mean, you don't even have to go that far back in history. But like, you know, the guy who built a contraption to kill the prime minister of Japan. And then his party apologized for their connections to... to like a scam church, like Luigi Mangione. Like, like, political violence does have typically, I don't wanna say it gets results, but like it does impact how people talk about stuff and think about stuff.

And I think the far right in the right wing, in the MAGA world, we're very naive to imagine that they would just be like a ton of people wanting to line up and become the next Charlie Kirk and literally be put in the crosshairs. Like I think it has had a really chilling effect on certain parts of the MAGEL World. Yeah, it feels like also very quickly,

it just made the MAGA world seem very corny and boomer and out of touch and lame. It is fascinating to me that like the biggest impact of Charlie Kirk's death is that everyone around Trump looks like a boring old boomer who sucks and like it is lame. They've always sucked and they've always been awful, but like they look lame now. Let's dive into the ways that it's sort of like going now because I feel like you've done a good job of breaking down kind of how these memes are evolving and being weaponized in sort of these more esoteric spaces. I don't even know what to call.

Is there like a name for? this like weird movement on the internet of like the agartha type stuff. GQ did like a big list of like all the different Kirk memes flying around right now and they called them a garthin charlie Kirk memes or a garth and charlie Kirk edits. That's probably as good as you're going to get but there are a bunch of these that don't involve Charlie Kirk and the whole thing predates him. Well so let's zoom back and talk about kind of like the evolution of that movement because I feel like what we're seeing with the agartheification of Charlie Kirk is like you said it's sort of this like like movement that was a little bit before him, that's kind of like taken him on now as like

the face of their like digital content initiatives, I guess. Tell me a little bit about like kind of that faction of posters online and kind of where they emerged from. So basically like Trump loses the election, you know, COVID has hit. Trumpism is feeling a little stale, especially like the whole like Pepe the Frog wave of it, right? And so in lockdown and immediately after that sort of 2021 to 2020, people, period that people were sort of describing as like a far-right vibe shift, you know, like all that silly stuff.

What that really is is a lot of different far-right extremists experimenting with finding other forms of fascist iconography and imagery and symbolism that they can play with. And one of the most effective things they stumble across is like Nazi occultism because it fits very well with the kind of new surreal brain rot that's becoming popular with just. Gen Z. So you start to see the Nazi black son, Son and rad stuff pop up, and you start to see schizo wave edits and creepypasta about the Holocaust and this stuff about the lost city of Agartha that only white people can access at the center of the hollow earth. And I sound like a total maniac when I'm talking about this stuff. And you're supposed to. Like the whole idea is like,

what if you create a bunch of memes around the far right that can never be properly explained by people like you and me. Like that we could never go on CNN and be like, okay, so like all these like racist teenagers on TikTok believe that like there's a secret city in the center of the earth. You know, like that's ridiculous. Also, I feel like you saw this increasingly like creeping out. You give some examples in your piece that you wrote for garbage day, but you talk about like in 2022, the mass shooter in Buffalo used weapons covered in references to these ideas, including that black sun Nazi symbol. There was a whole TikTok trend in 2023 you wrote where users were making aesthetic fan cams of Nazi Germany, fascist Italy, hoping to like dupe unsuspecting TikTok users into sharing

them. And yeah, Ron DeSantis had an aide that had a Saanananrad symbol in his videos. And I don't know if you've seen this recently, but I feel like Hitler's speeches translated to English have also become popular sounds on reels. Oh, that's interesting because they were super popular on TikTok like two years ago. During that whole Fashwave classical art fan edit era, they were also doing the AI translated speeches of Hitler. So, I mean, that just proves that like metaproducts are two years behind, like, everything else, right? Oh, you guys just got AI translated Hitler. That's crazy. Like, welcome to Instagram. Yes, there is like a absolutely concerted effort from the top to spread this kind of content, but also this is a lot of people who are just messing around. Like this is, I want to be

really clear that like, this is as conspiratorial as just like how, like, fascist stuff works. Like, it's not like there's one person being like the hot new thing is the son and rad. It's like they're experimenting with stuff. And it's very much like monkeys and type. and throwing stuff at the wall, the way it's always been. Yeah. So after Kirk is shot, you wrote that, you know, this sort of imagery went into overdrive. Can you talk about how it kind of all fed together? Because I feel like really quickly now, we started to see like a tsunami of these like Agartha, I guess all white Charlie Kirk edits where like Charlie Kirk is also a super blonde, like looks very Aryan.

Yeah, he gets an agarthe and makeover basically. That's the idea is that like you become blonde and blue eyed when you go down into Agartha. The reason it's spreading right now, especially after Charlie Kirk's death, is basically what we kind of already talked about, which is that he is a sacred cow. You can attack him. You can piss off older people by doing it. In fact, I did a video about this, like a short little reels, like video being like, hey, like, this is a thing, which it did get blocked from being uploaded to TikTok until I do appeal, which I think is fascinating. But I had a couple people be like, oh, I thought these were funny. And I liked them or I watched them.

And then my feed filled up with, like, insane Nazi stuff. Like, it's clearly being used as the tip of the spear on algorithmic platforms. So if they can make stuff that looks like it's making fun of Charlie Kirk, which they're, they love doing because they hated him, then all of a sudden you're going to get hit with, like, hardcore neo-Nazi stuff. And that's happening on, like, every platform that has an algorithm. Love it. Where do you see this kind of, like, evolving? Because I feel like there's also, I don't know.

I mean, I feel like we've exhausted a lot of the Charlie Kirk formats, starting to slow down. Like, I think he's just going to enter into that sort of, like, eternal realm. where he's always kind of like a present meme, but it's not like you, it's not like as funny as it was when you first saw it like a few weeks after his death or whatever. But do you think that he like Charlie Kirk as a figure will continue to be used by certain factions of the right either as like somebody to mock or kind of as this example of kind of like cringe MAGA, like millennial lame conservatism? Yeah, I might be wrong, but I sort of feel like the MAGA movement actually did die with Charlie Kirk and we'll look back at it as like the moment like the whole thing kind of fell apart. The timing with the Epstein files, I think, also kind of added a bit to this. And in terms of, like, his meme status, I can't really think of a more fitting end for him than just become the next harombe. Like, it'll be a thing where, like, every anniversary, there'll be a wave of, like, offensive Charlie Kirk memes.

And, like, every time the administration tries to, like, use his memory, there'll be a wave of people making fun of it. He's just, like, a meme now that, like, will cycle around the internet forever. Like, probably the Gen Z equivalent of, like, making fun of 9-11 or the Gen Alpha equivalent. It feels like that. I mean, when you look at the new movement that's arising in place of MAGA, because I agree with you, and I think MAGA is definitely like that classic MAGA is on the decline. How do you see those factions like evolving? And like, do you think that that sort of younger, more extreme Fuentes lead type movement is going to start gaining real political power? I mean, according to conservatives in DC, yes. Like Rod Dreyer, like the, you know, prominent conservative wrote a whole substack post about how he went to DC in every aid was like a genuine and neo-Nazi who love Nick Fuentes. So, like, that's already happening. Like, the, the, the, the young part of the Republican Party are these people. They will have to do the hard work of, like, seeing if being a hardcore neo-Nazi is good for, like, getting voters, right? Like, is esoteric

Nazi occultism a winning electoral strategy? Like, I don't really think it is. Maybe I'm naive, but, or optimistic about America, I just don't see it working that way. I think as long as we are in, like a fair and open democracy, like, these guys are not going to do well if they go and publicly like say what they believe. I kind of agree with you, but also kind of like it is undeniable that they're pulling more people to the right. And like, you're right that if they go out and start talking about like a Gartha or like doing this weird Nazi symbols, like, yeah, that's off putting to a certain number of like

normies. But I also just think a lot more like normie people are becoming pilled and like the culture generally is becoming more reactionary and right wing. And I think that's in large part because of the rise of these like that like super young, super extreme like faction on the internet. You might be right. I might have rose colored glasses because I just went home for Thanksgiving. But like those theory that I've been sort of sitting on and sort of had talked about, I sort of think the whole internet broke and like the average person doesn't care about any of this and that like all of this stuff doesn't matter. I think like a decade of Trumpism has made the internet so ugly and inhospitable that like the average person isn't being red pilled. Like I actually sort of think that like all internet disc.

course has no value anymore. Oh my gosh, Ryan. You're coming off Thanksgiving. I'm coming off like 20 hours of watching this guy clavicular. This Gen Z looks maxing kick streamer that I've been writing something about. Oh yeah, I've been watching the looks maxing guys on TikTok. They're super funny. I think it's a bit. I don't think it's a bit for this guy. But I agree, but I think you're right. Most of it is just kids going through puberty. But I don't know. I just don't know, like the internet does remain like the most powerful communication tool of our time. And I do think that like, yeah, a lot of people are just like maxing out on brain rot shit and it's all kind of nothing. But it does feel like things have gotten further to the right.

I think American culture is the most right wing it's been since the Bush administration. I think we are very much in like a post 9-11 media environment where everything is very conservative and very reactionary. And in fact, there is a version where like the Groyper wing of the MAGA movement moves us further to the right by allowing coverage for magic. people to like join the Democrats and move the Democrats right, right? But also like a lot of sort of early, you know, primary stuff makes me think that that's not true. Like instead of trying to predict the future, what I will say is that like this stuff is popular to a point.

But I think at a certain level of internet discourse, you become completely indescipherable to the average person. And that to me doesn't feel like it helps your political movement. If you're just talking nonsense, maybe I'm too old and naive, but like that's, That's my thought. No, I do think that like, especially the like Charlie Kirk stuff, like that lore and all of those Agartha edits and all, just the AI edits generally are so full of so many niche internet references. It is like you feel like you're looking at Italian brain rot or something where it's like you have to know every single kind of niche symbol to even understand what's happening in like the TikTok. And that is unscruedable to everybody over the age of 17 and like ultimately probably not, yeah, like a winning way to kind of convince people of anything.

And yeah, I think it's funny that Charlie Kirk's legacy, I guess. guess is ultimately just going to be as like a meme and a punchline. And I don't think any of those younger Charlie Kirk wannabes have gotten any traction either. I mean, do you think we'll see another sort of Charlie Kirk in our lifetime? No. In fact, my pet theory was that like the major reaction we've seen mourning Charlie Kirk from the Trump administration and like prominent conservatives is that like he was their only hope for replacing Trump. Like Chedy Vance can never be Trump. Elon Musk can't even really do what Trump does. And I think that like a lot of ways Charlie Kirk was grown in a laboratory to be this like influencer president replacement to the TV show president.

And without him, they have nothing because like that takes a long time. It's not going to be Tim Poole or Ben Shapiro or that kid whose name looks like a capuchia, Bradland Holland, whatever. None of these people can do it. So like without that, they're going to have to run traditional Republicans who might not be totally on board with the whole taking over America thing, or they're going to have to run alt-right weirdos who don't know how to talk like normal people. Charlie Kirk was the only thing they had that kind of bridge that gap and he's gone. Maybe Erica Kirk, but she's a woman. They would never do.

No, they're not going to. Although I do think the first woman president is going to be right wing. Me too. Yeah. I mean, that happened in the UK. So do you think it's like problematic? I've seen a lot of scolding of people, especially in the past couple weeks, like, of making fun of Charlie Kirk and saying like, oh, you know, this is being used as a tool for

the right. Do you think it's a problem for leftists to share a few Charlie Kirk memes for fun? I share them all the time. I think they're super funny. I think everything making fun of Charlie Kirk is super funny. All that said, there is no way to safely engage with any right wing content on the internet right now without triggering that algorithmic effect. And that is just something you have to sort of take into account. If you're doing it on blue sky, you're probably fine.

If you do it on X, you are absolutely probably going to trigger some kind of algorithmic cascade of neo-Nazi content. for another user. Same with TikTok, same with Reels. Up to you, like, whether you care about that. But like, so I was just having this conversation with June, who hosts the podcast, Kill the Computer, about, like, irony cannot defeat irony. And like, it is so easy and it feels so good to, like, ironically share Maga Boomer Slop and, like, talk like Trump and do all that stuff. But you are helping them. That is just a fact. And unfortunately, like, being genuine in earnest seems like the best course of action, but like, God, that sucks and feels uncomfortable. But, you know, whatever. I think the average person is probably fine. Yeah, go for you. Ryan, thank you so much for joining me

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