Taylor Lorenz’s Power User - The Insane Overnight Rise of Clavicular: the black-pilled Gen Z looksmaxxer taking over the internet

Episode Date: December 31, 2025

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Is he dead? I don't know. Hopefully. You haven't heard of clavicular yet. It's only a matter of time before you do. Over the past few months, the 20-year-old looks-maxing live streamer has become inescapable online, collaborating with an ever-growing cadre of massive. influencers and conservative online figures. Just last week, he made headlines again after running a

stalker over with his cyber truck on Christmas Eve. It's rare to see someone blow up so quickly, nearly overnight. And I think clavicular's rise reveals a lot about the current state of online culture and the growing influence of a sort of Nick Fuentes adjacent, black-pilled, nihilistic zoomer ideology that seems to be spreading across the internet. So today, we're going to be going deep on who exactly clavicular is, where he came from, how he blew up, and what his rise reveals. To do all of that, I had to call up my friend Jarvis Johnson, who has become as obsessed with clavicular, I think, in the past few months as me. Hi, Jarvis. Welcome. Hello, thanks for having me. I was just saying this before we got on, but I'm so excited to

have you here because I don't think that there's anyone else over the age of 16 who would be able to talk to me about this man for an hour. I don't know what decisions I've made in my life that have led me to this place, but we're here now, you know? I don't even remember how I realized that you also knew who he was. I think we were talking about a tweet of his where I couldn't tell if he was being serious or not,

because at the time, I didn't know who he was, and then I got some sort of clip on my feed that was him talking about how he uses, quote unquote, meth two looks max. There are. Wait, is it true you do math? Somebody told me you do math, too. I do meth, yes. So I do math to, you know, basically suppress my appetite and try to get leaner.

My first thought was like, is this person a comedian? Is this a bit? Because it's doing the normal thing of like, you know, lure you in and then it takes this, like, ridiculous turn. And I, to this day, don't know if that's something he seriously does or if it's just like various layers of bait. Well, I felt a lot of joy because I feel like I'm constantly spam pretty much anyone in my contacts list about like weird things.

And then like, sometimes a friend replies and they're like, oh, yeah, do you know about that? And I'm like, oh, my God, thank God. I feel like I've- Finally, someone's brought it up. I've been keeping the secret. I want to talk about the origins of clavicular, which his name is not clavicular.

It's a very, actually, I would say millennial coded name, even though he's only 19 years old. Right. When you said man earlier, I was like, only recently is he a man? And I think that that's partially why this is such a conflicting. thing to discuss because it's very alarming to see, but then they're so young that I'm like, okay, but then also the stuff you're saying is very dangerous. I know.

And the older you get, the more you're like, oh, his name is Braden Peters. And I mean, this is like public. His real name is out there. We're not doxing anyone, so relax. He sounds like a, like a hype house type name. Exactly. That's exactly what I thought. I was like, what a like 2020 era.

TikTok name, you know? If you name your child, Braden, he's bound to post online, unfortunately. Yeah, I do think that that is at least shaped similarly to a lot of pranksters I've seen as well on TikTok, though I can't say, and this is actually in defense of the name, Braden, a much better name than clavicular. Yeah. Well, so the name clavicular comes from your clavicle, which, you know, when you're ripped, you see it, that's like a looks maxing. They're obsessed with the clavicle. Every time I talk about some child. I'm like, wait a minute. He was only 14 in 2019. I'm like, but that was last year. And then I'm like, oh, shit, no, that was six years ago. So six years ago when he was 14, this is sort of like, I think he had a pretty normal childhood. He is, he identifies his neurodivergent.

He doesn't say if he's on the spectrum, but he's sort of alluded to it. He's, he had a tough time making friends growing up. It is. It's hard to, you know, have constant social, bad interactions as an autistic person, you know? So he gets into middle school. He's, 14, 8th grade, and he comes across a Nick Fuentes video. Not good. I feel like Nick Fuentes has become mainstream as of late, but that was when he was kind of still in, your average person on the street would have no clue who that is.

Or your parents, right? If my, if I found out my kid was watching Nick Fuentes, maybe in 2019, I'd go, who's that? So 2019, we're talking like, honestly, it was kind of like peak resistance, like pre-COVID, Trump's first presidency. There was all those sort of like, Lib culture. And then there was this sort of like bubbling all right.

I guess it was called culture. Obviously, we're two years post Charlottesville. There was this like more reactionary internet, but most of those people had been de-platformed. 2019 was kind of a pivotal year. And I feel like people learned about it a little bit recently after the Utah shooting too, because it's when something called the Groyper Wars started.

Are you familiar? Only vaguely. I know that Groypers are Nick Fuentes' community name. And they were question mark harassing people. online. That's maybe, I don't know. So in the fall of 2019, Nick Fuentes launches this social media campaign targeting turning points culture war college tour. So they were disrupting Charlie Kirk's events and harassing him asking these really extreme questions about like immigration, Israel, LGBTQ rights. Basically, their whole goal was to challenge mainstream

conservatism, which by the way they did challenge and by the way they basically won. I think we're seeing that now. But this went really viral and specifically, these clips would go really viral on YouTube. So it would be like some like super reactionary like 17 year old, challenging Charlie Kirk and being like, you know, owned, like, lame conservative owned or whatever. I know you gave a speech in Jerusalem early this year. Was there any like awesome fun dance parties that you guys had afterwards?

I heard that Israelis are some of the best dancers in the world. I mean, if you guys don't believe me, just Google dancing Israelis. It's insane how good their dance moves. And this is what clivicular as a young child stumbles upon and thinks is awesome. He's like, I've never heard people speaking this way. He likes, you know, like a lot of young boys. He's like, wow, this is like challenging authority. He thought that like conservatives were based.

And then he finds out, you know, there's this like even more based group that's like challenging them. So that kind of gets him into this pipeline. I think one of the levers of this radicalization is like how are how can you be the most based? And it doesn't matter kind of what you believe. It's just like actually we all decided that it's the most contrarian possible. position and that means you're cool with no further questions asked because you're 14. So he goes to this like Catholic high school. He said he had like a Catholic page.

Like he had a religious faves. He sort of tried on a lot of identities. Like clearly this is a kid that's struggling for community and like trying to kind of find groups like, should I get really religious? Who's this kind of base group? He also starts watching John Zirka who's like sort of, this was like also like the golden age of a lot of fitness content on YouTube. You made her uncomfortable and now you're making jokes about it.

You said you. like truth earlier and the truth is. I got it. She feels unsafe and I don't give a . Oh, I've heard that name as well. Okay, yeah. He's just a gym YouTuber type guy, but he starts getting into this like gym workout type content.

And this stuff is so normal. This stuff is so normal for like 14 year olds, for young boys coming into their own, finding themselves. I personally was writing into video game podcasts and joining internet communities about Pokemon. But like, I, I, could have taken a different turn, you know. I also saw 4chan far too early in life, but I was more afraid of it, you know? So I get it, I get it, you know, some, but then there's the edgier kid at school

who's like, let me show you the pain Olympics and all these horrific, like, shock content on the internet. And I was like, no, thank you. I'll stick to Roomscape. As you said, it's sort of like, it's like, it's like, it could be this way, could be this way. I mean, I think we don't know that much about clavicular's parents, other than they seem like regular kind of suburban parents. They were into bodybuilding, or at least his mom was a bodybuilder. I think both of his parents were bodybuilders. So I have no idea, you know, what that sort of put on his self-image. He starts using steroids very young. He claims to start using steroids actually when he was 14, going into 15. So just when he's hitting puberty, he's like watching like mainlining all this fitness content,

watching Nick Fuentes videos. And then he starts injecting himself with steroids, which his parents were against, but he started buying it anyway. That is very concerning. Just because, like, you're already going through puberty, your body's changing, your hormones, all of these, like, chemicals in your body. It's already an explosion of change. And now you're just adding another agent of chaos. Yeah.

I don't know what sort of the long-term impact of steroid use is on your brain, but not great. I don't know what sort of regulations we have for that type of thing. You're not supposed to be able to take steroids at 14. He talks about the way he gets around it. Like, he's done interviews and talked about how, like, He would fight with his parents about it. His parents would say, like, you know, you can't do that. And he would, like, get it.

He would sort of order it somehow and obtain it. I mean, when there's a will, there's a way. I mean, we're in a post-silk road era of, like, I feel like you could probably get anything with an internet connection if you really put your mind to it. Yeah, so he starts going on testosterone. He also starts to, like, just try to, like, look smacks himself a little bit.

He said that he would do whatever it takes to be attractive. Because I think that's genuinely one of the most important things that you could do to improve upon your your life quality. We see it with all the dating statistics. We see it with Jeremy Meeks, who was the hot felon who got released by all those women bailing him out of jail. You've got to literally do everything to become good looking. He starts college. He goes to, I think, Sacred Hearts, some sort of small Catholic school. And very quickly, he's still making this sort of looksmaxing content online. And he's very heavily involved in looksmaxing.org, this like looksmaxing subreddit.

I learned about them from their article on PSL rating system. And it told me that Tom Holland was like middle of the pack. And I'm like, okay, whatever you guys say. Yeah, so he's very into this like looks maxing forum. He starts giving other people tons of advice. And he becomes sort of so prolific on the looksmaxing.org forum that people start to docks him. Somebody actually impersonates him on another forum and starts baiting people. That leads that other forum.

I think it's maybe Kiwi Farms, something like that, to docks him and to write to his school, saying basically this guy's telling, you know, teenagers to get on steroids. He's saying all this problematic stuff. He gets kicked out very quickly of his college. And this is kind of the best thing that could ever have happened to him in terms of his content creator career. Well, yeah, because I got a grind. Now's the time to grind the content.

So around this time, he's also gotten himself a job working as a nightclub bouncer. He talks about this, like, really formative moment where he realizes, like, basically, hot guys leave with girls. And this informs his worldview a lot. Because of course, like you're 17, 18, you know, 16, 17, 18, like, you don't have a lot of interactions with girls. You're working at a nightclub. And you're just like, oh, okay, hot guy. Oh, you're leaving with a girl. That's how life works. Also, it's this very strange selection bias because nightclubs are not the real world. Again, it's just so much happening when you're at such a formative stage in your life. I grew up in a college town, Gainesville, Florida, shout out, where there were lots of 18 and up,

by virtue of the fact that it's a college town. And I did go whatever the equivalent of clubbing was, but a lot of it was just like dancing with friends. And I guess we were more or less in places where other teens were. Yeah, it's a lot to expose to a young person who's, to their own admission, had difficulty making friends and finding community. So it just gives you such a warped perception of like what is valuable in the world. Yeah.

And he talks about this like one to two percent of men, leave with all the women. And this is when he starts talking about just like taking the black pill, which is just truly like this nihilistic ideology of just like nothing really matters. Everything is fake. Like the world is really messed up. I think also, you know, he talked about just like in these interviews that he's done just like being lonely. He sounds really lonely. That's kind of like the main thing. That's the most relatable part of all of this to me. And that's what makes it so sad because so many people experience that loneliness, and that is such a normal part of that stage in your life.

And it just stinks that sometimes you can really make these compounding changes that are so small at the start, but then really just blow up into something huge. Yeah. So he's kicked out of college. It causes a lot of drama. Like his parents were swatted, which sucks. Like, my parents have been swatted multiple times. It's like, you feel very, like, violated.

It is a radicalizing experience in a sense where like, I think he just was like, fuck it, I'm going to go all in. So he starts to make money. He's bouncing. He's working security at these nightclubs. He starts selling looks maxing advice online and just goes full in onto his content career. And we're now, by the way, in the past year, which is like this kid's life. Like I was like 14. That was only, that was like 2019.

Right. And you were saying he was a college freshman. I'm like, he's only 19 now. There's still 19 year old college freshman. So this only had to have been a year or two ago, right? This was like a year and a half ago, I think. Yeah. So anyway, he becomes really good friends with this guy, Cookie King.

Are you familiar? Maybe I saw a clip a TikTok channel or a clip from something like that. Cookie King is a really popular TikToker who is also very young, who blew up doing POV videos. So in the beginning of COVID, he was like doing more of this like POV, you're a something, something, you know. Then he started vlogging his life. he kind of went through his own fitness journey transformation where he got into really good shape. In 2022, Cookie loses a bunch of weight and talks about being prime cookie and his fandom still

talks about Prime Cookie. But 2022 to 2023, he gained a lot more weight. So he's sort of like talking about his own fitness journey online. Klav obviously is also going through a fitness journey. They end up bonding and becoming friends. And this is when like I would say he starts integrating into like the actual. actual content creator world. And he leaves kind of like the looksmaxing.org forums, although I'm sure he's still active and like enters like mainstream popular TikTok world. So Cookie is really good

friends with this guy's Santa Cruz. When Cookie started gaining a lot of weight again, this guy, Santa Cruz, who runs Santa Cruz Medicinals, he's also a TikToker in Santa Barbara invites him to quote, come to San Diego and lock in. And it's that they are going to do this like sort of reality show over the summer, this past summer, 24, where they like lock in where they all basically just get. get fit together and get ripped and like optimize their looks together. It's one of those things where it's like if if things aren't taken to be extreme, extreme, it's not so bad. You know what I mean?

Like it's like sure. That's what I've seen like teen boys and young boys do that kind of thing a lot. But it's like okay, but if it goes too far, who's to say what too far is? I don't know. It also feels like a content house. Like they were all living in a house together. They're all making content like Henry Hoopify was there, another iconic Gen Z TikTok. or like there were all these like people together and that's harmless like it reminds me of the sway boys in

2020 where it's just like a bunch of like you know attractive like young guys making workout content like that's fine of course clavicular can't stop saying the n word so i've heard yeah so he starts saying the n word and santa cruz who's definitely conservative himself is like listen man i don't know if you should be on this locked in tic talk show that we're making like you're saying the n word no no he's like okay so he wasn't supposed to come. He shows up anyway. He's in all the content. And I feel like just sort of like he pushed through it all. Is Santa Cruz the guy who does the wrestling that he was doing the wrestling with? Yes. Yeah. So he's friends with him again. But basically this makes clavicular part of the cookie verse. And the cookie verse is this like as as Henry from Hoopify explained to me,

it's this like network of kind of just like affiliated accounts on TikTok. And there's like a very strong fandom around these kids. Much like this way boy. or the hype house or any of these like collab groups. Right. That's it's very normal or excuse me at this point in time in our history of the online has become normalized to a degree. So this is all over the summer. They're doing this locked in challenge and clav is very much considered part of the cookie

verse. And this is when he decides to go on his hero, Nick Fuentes' stream. The title was looks maxing with Nick Fuentes and clavicular. And basically Nick is like, this is for the zoomers. This is for the gen alphas. Like, Nick recognizes actually that clavicular is ascendant, even back then, which is kind of crazy. Like, he's sort of picked up on like, this is where the vibe is going. And then all of these kids, of course, start to watch clavicular more.

This leads to backlash. Somebody makes a TikTok saying, okay, officially the Cookieverse is part of the alt-right pipeline. We should cancel cookie. We should cancel cookie king. We should cancel all these people. They kind of distanced themselves from clavicular for like about two weeks. Okay. Wow.

And then they're all just friends again. That's how long it takes. for everyone to forget. In Zuma World, like two weeks is like, you know. In eternity. Clivocular, I think he moves to Miami. He leaves. He's out of the Northeast by now.

He's basically at this point living on his own. And he starts really leaning hard into kick streaming. He starts popping off. I feel like being in that cookie verse world kind of gave him like that first push. He also surrounded himself with a bunch of other like looksmaxers. Like he was kind of friends with these other like looks max type influencer guys. This guy, K. Shami.

This other guy Zahmi. just in the online world. And he just blows up. Like, I would say it's really the fall, like, over the past fall, like, starting in September, he started to just take off. When did you first see clavicular eclipse? I feel like it was slowly than all at once.

Like, I'm sure I saw a few clips months ago, because there was some people in like the commentary community were talking about the looks maxing community in general. And I also remember, I remember talking about it as if it was this like, I can't believe this is a thing, you know, we're doing all this like phrenology type stuff. And yeah, I think I probably saw like a little bit of him back then, but recently it feels like I can't get away from him, like he just keeps popping up everywhere.

I feel like honestly, this fall for whatever reason, he really broke through. I think part of what made him break through is just his willingness to be so extreme. Like looks maxers have been ascendant for years. They talk about, you know, improving their looks, like how to look the hottest. Like this has always been sort of like a 4chan in not insult type of thing, but it's sort of been like this like reactionary. As you mentioned, it's very tied in with like phonetics and weird things like that. But clivicular, I think was more extreme in the sense that like he really said he doesn't care if he dies early to achieve this. He thinks that like looks are the only thing that matters.

He doesn't care about quote unquote money maxing meaning getting his career up. He doesn't care about his personality, jester maxing as they call it. He literally only cares about being hot. That's me actually. Yeah. I'm the jester max. But I guess it makes sense. if you're so black pill, then yeah, you're nihilistic.

Like, not this is you, your value system is this. It's all the only thing that matters. And then you're maximizing that, I suppose. Yeah, it's really tied in with like really insane misogynistic views about women, which is basically like, the only thing women care about is looks. They're such, they're shallow. He talks a lot about this concept of hypergamy of like women are dating above their class or, you know, like. And that's where it starts to overlap with like some of these like dating guru pickup artists.

stuff because that stuff, I mean, is, is oldest time at this point, but that definitely is, I've looked at a lot of those type of people on TikTok and bought a lot of e-books, you know, where they, it's like half written by chat GPT of someone just like talking about how to pick up women or how to hypnotize a woman into falling for you against her will somehow. He also, like, I think like was just willing to be more extreme about surgery. He's talked about going to Turkey to get this double jaw surgery, which, by the way, I don't think is going to happen. His parents, I guess, took his passport recently when he was supposed to go. This surgery apparently takes like five months of recovery. And just given how fast his streaming

career is rising, I'm kind of like, I don't think he's going to really do it. But he talks about it a lot. I was wondering about that because in what I understand from just like how he talks about himself, there have been some procedures that he's done. But the only before photos I've ever seen or like him is a prepubescent child. And I'm like, yeah, well, that's just puberty. Okay, this is what my whole thing with him too is, is like, you just went through puberty. Like, I don't actually think you did that much. Like, I mean, I know he does a lot. Like, I know he is doing a lot. And like, you know, he does bone smashing where you like basically like repeatedly try to sort of like like put micro fractures in your cheeks to like, I guess, strengthen your bones there or something.

He does, you know, mewing. He does all the sort of like where you put your tongue in the top of your mouth and try to fix your jaw. And he works out like crazy. He takes a lot of supplements. He takes meth, he said. You know, he did this interview where he talked about. taking methamphetamine because it allows him to lean max or stay fit and the thing is like it felt to me that his community or the the people who are doing clip channels for him and stuff have taken that as almost a meme and if he's ever seen doing anything weird it's like oh he's on meth again or he's taking cocaine or something like where it's like this so irony poisoned where it's like, I don't know what's real

and if it even matters, because whatever he's doing to himself, how he presents the stuff, someone is going to take that as stuff he's actually doing, you know? Yeah, he says the type of meth that he takes is, like, prescribed by a doctor, and it's, like, not that different from Adderall, which I've been on Adderall.

It is a stimulant. Like, it is crazy that we just give it to everyone kind of... Right. It's like I was diagnosed with ADHD later in life and, like, have... now had like maybe a decade or so of trying medication for it. And I currently take Liz Dexamphetamine, so it's in the name, you know? And so in that, I'm like, oh, is this just for, because there is like this appetite suppressant element of those types of medications that can also be used, not a doctor,

by the way, it can also be used to like treat binge eating disorder and things like that. So, you know, I'm not in the meth world. Unfortunately, I can't really speak to what that's like, but I can speak to just like taking medicine for my ADHD. And he spoke to being neurodivergent. And I'm like, okay, so he could be taken what I'm taking. But it's how he talks about it, though. So it's like he knows what he's doing because he's trying to drum up outrage and stuff like that. He's like clip farming, basically.

Yeah, exactly. It's like that's what I feel. I feel like I'm in a perpetual clip farm with him and with like kind of people in that time. And you even see it in like streamer culture at large, but with far lower stakes, right? Because it's just like, oh, are we actually beefing or is this just for the content or are we making something out of nothing simply to farm a situation that could be construed in a certain way for content and i i don't care so much about the ethics of that when it's in fairy tale land and the worst thing is like are they dating or are they not type type of things

but when it comes to like i'm with a straight face saying i'm doing meth i'm injecting myself it feels like it's obviously doing more harm than good i mean part of why i think he blew up too is like i mean obviously he's this like good looking young guy that any streamer could like like could have him on and do this like slideshow type thing. We're like he was rating a lot of people. So looks maxing has this like system that's like very mathematical about how they rate people's appearance and stuff. And so these other big streamers like Jack Dordy, Cheezer, Aiden Ross, eventually neon later.

These are really huge streamers in the kick space. And they would just like have him on and be like, ha ha, rate this person. Ha ha rate this person. And then he would just drag them often. And that's the type of content that's like. going to work when you have thrown out all manners. I described this as you've turned yourself into a science experiment where instead of a rat looking for the cheese,

you are looking for dubs in the chat and you will do anything to find that validation, that dopamine. And because you have the chat to validate you, it allows you to issue normal social norms. So it doesn't matter what's happening in the real world or if you're hurting someone's feelings, harassing them, whatever, because I can balance whatever bad feelings would normally keep a society in order by having all of these anonymous people

stream like dubs in my chat. And that makes me feel like what I'm doing is actually good. Yeah. I mean, Jack Dordy, who he collabed with very famously, like, crashed his car on stream and his best known for just going around and like harassing people on the street for like. Yeah, not a fan of when he told this bleeding cameraman to like make sure he got the shot when they were in that car crash. Which is hilarious.

Like you're in a brutal car accident. and you're just like your last breath is like, did you get this shot? We've had this in a form throughout time. It's like what is like, do it for the vine, do it for the gram. You know, it's like that sort of thing. Even when I, very early on in my YouTube career, was just vlogging as a hobby, I found myself way more willing to whether the social anxiety and awkwardness of having a camera out. And I was holding like a freaking Casey Nystatt-esque setup.

Nowadays, it's like the cameras are much lighter, but it was like a whole big, bulky thing. And everyone looks at you weird and you're like, well, this will be good for the video. And as long as I'm polite or whatever for myself, it's going to be fine. And I'm not doing this in private spaces. It's like walking on the streets of San Francisco or whatever. So I mean, he's mostly in Miami. So he's like streaming himself like he's going on these kick streams, but then he's also streaming himself like hitting on girls, picking up girls and doing things like this tweet

that I think we mentioned before we got on. He tweeted back in November, looks maxing random homeless people today with Ed Maddie on kick at four. His other thing is like making people ascend. So like the whole thing when you're a looks maxer is you like start, you know, ugly theoretically. And then you quote unquote ascend to a Chad. So you sort of rise the ranks until you're a Chad and a Chad is like the hottest guy you could ever be, I guess. And so he talks about the fact that he hasn't ascended yet or he's like in the process of ascending and he tries to ascend other people. Yeah, he'll just go rate women, rate people, try to look smacks other people.

If he hasn't ascended yet, that's interesting to me because I'm like, someone should explain to him the law of diminishing returns. Like, there is only so much you can ascend after a certain point. I mean, also it's very funny. Like, I don't want to drag his looks because he's a very handsome young man. But like he looks like he's like 28. He looks older. And I, it's interesting because I'm like, it's like, once you're over 30 or you're like,

we're elderly millennials now. But it's like, you're like, fuck, man. like your youth, you're 19. Like, none of this matters. That's the thing. It's like I, one of the other of the many sad things about this is that embracing that youth while you still have it is like something you should do. But the thing about that is that you probably don't have the context, presence of mind and general awareness to appreciate it while it's, while it's happening. So you have elder people tell you that, but then you don't listen to what they say anyway. So it goes in one ear and out the other. He does like present to me as like a little older than he is,

but it just reminds me of, and this is a bad thing, like when they dress up like pageant children and they put a bunch of makeup on them, if they put adult makeup on them, it like they look more adult, but that makeup kind of hides the childish features. And so whatever he's done to his face, it's kind of just given him mature features

as if he's like, you know, aged into them. Speaking of just like this obsession with like ranking and rating, I totally forgot this total side arc, which was actually when he was 16, there was a big town-wide controversy because he started this Instagram account where he was raiding girls. And what I would do is I would take pictures

of the girls from my town, and I would post them on the story and give him a rape. And people freaked out. Whole town-wide controversy. No one could prove it was me, but everyone kind of knew because I was always the one doing some bullshit.

So he was obsessed with even, like, looks back then and sort of trying to figure out, I think it's like, it's really sad, especially knowing that he's neurodivergent. I feel like for so many, I have also, of your ADHD and like learning disabilities and like, you know, school is like hard. That's such a hard time in life.

And I feel like so many people, it's like you're trying to figure out, why does that person get invited to parties and why don't I, you know? And he seems to just focus completely on looks and sort of thinks that that's like this golden ticket. It seems like the same type of ingredients that affect like the in cell community and things like that where it's like, woe is me. Why am I not chosen to have these experiences? It's because of.

And then it's like, okay, who's the villain? It's like, am I ugly? Is it women's fault? You know, like it feels like usually we find these convenient villains to place blame onto. And as a kid who was like sad because they weren't invited to stuff or I would go on Facebook, which is an old website that we used to use. And I'd see people like upload photos and I was like, oh my God, all these people were hanging out without me or they were having a party.

And I get it. It's like a bummer. But it is also just not real life. It's like social media isn't real. These clubs aren't real. Finding communities where you have shared interests or people, like-minded people, where you're not like-minded about punching down towards a community or whatever, is like usually the saw for that because we're like communal beings.

It's clear that he sort of struggled socially for a long time. And it makes me a little sad that he's now surrounded by these like extremely anti-social kickstreamer, like internet-pilled lunatics where, you know, it's sort of that I don't think that that's like helping his mental state. Like he is sort of the human embodiment of so many like internet cultural trends that are happening. Like you mentioned the sort of like the loneliness, the black pill, the like reactionary young men like pick up artists stuff.

This like weird obsession with like eugenics and physiology and stuff. But then also this self-improvement, this idea, this like I feel like the younger you are, the more you've internalized capitalism. And I think of this as like, I mean, we're both like millennial. Like it's like there was this optimism. And then I feel like a lot of Zoomers are like, oh, they don't have that, but they're like hustling. They're working. They have like e-commerce stores when they're like 15.

The drop shipping era, the prank YouTube era. And now we're in this like nihilism era where it's like they know that the everything's a joke. They know that the world is stacked against them. The economy is a lottery. Like they've grown up in the age of like crypto and streaming and like algorithms and stuff. And he feels like a kind of like a protege of that of that like hyper optimized culture like the Brian Johnson like optimist. like optimize your life, like, extreme. And a lot of Gen Z at large,

much has been written about the economic nihilism that they're feeling. And that's just broadly impacting an entire generation is like the, I'll never buy a house, it doesn't even cross my mind that that'll ever be a possibility. And it's like millennials had like stop buying lattes, you know, and I feel like now there's not even that.

It's just like, oh, you screwed up by being born when you were born. I think he's the embodiment of that. I think there's so much of this hyper-focus around one thing as a solve for the ways in which you were wronged by society. It's kind of like how the Gary V's of the world, I think the actual printed material or the said material in a lot of those, like, let's say Gary Vee podcast, isn't materially harmful.

It's the culture that like kind of builds around it and how sometimes you want to benefit from selling the simple art of not giving a fuck or whatever. Again, all these things are not inherently bad, but it's like, I want to keep profiting off of the people who connect with my message. So there's a financial disincentive for me to call out maybe how people are misinterpreting my message

or how, you know, there are actually dangerous ways to take this. Well, also you're getting rewarded on the internet with money and likes. And like, he's popular and he's fitting in and he's cool now. And he did this one YouTube video a while ago where he's talking about basically he didn't want to get kicked out of college. And he says that his life is a horror story. And not long ago, he was a college student. You know, he was telling one of his chatters

who was asking him advice or something. And he was like, I wish I was a college student in the cafeteria. This is a fucking horror story, right? I wish that I wasn't a fucking autist doing this rant right now. I wish I was walking around the dining hall like a normal kid, like a normal motherfucker,

hanging out with my buddies in college, right? Even if college is the dumbest fucking thing known to man, I wish I had that experience. And you guys took that away from me. I will never get to live the normal life of a normal kid. So I'm gonna try to mug. I'm gonna try to basically do whatever the fuck it takes to mug. Once he got kicked out and decided to go all in and that rewarded him, he's just kind of like nihilism.

It's like, all right, well, this is, I guess this is what the world expects and sort of what the world is incentivizing him to do. And that's sort of the options that he has. And I don't think he has any like close friends either that maybe can tell him that like, hey, there's more of life than looks like he only sees things through looks and he talks about like even women he's like looks maxing gives some people a purpose that's okay you know it's noble to become your ideal self like this is why skinny chicks hate o zempic like it takes away this like natural advantage that some of them have and how it's like a mog or mug kind of world like that's terrible in my sympathy towards like his situation i also have to acknowledge directly to women he's saying things like you have a recessed max

I mock you by two PSLs. You know what I mean? And I get like, there's like a tongue and cheek, like, wink to the audience type joke, but it's at the expense of someone who is not in this community, doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. And it contributes to this like misogynistic, well, it's fun to put women in their place, actually, because we are the guys who are rejected by women and now we're taking this power back, you know, that's frustrating.

Oh, he's awful. He's like basically says that like women are worthless after the age of 18 or 19. He said nurses are the worst women to marry. He like he was on this dating show. Oh, that is, I feel like I've heard that from a few of these guys. I can't remember what the reason is, but that's like, I've seen that as a common talking point. All these people, of course, are obsessed with this concept of body count, which like, I swear to God, no normal person ever.

Like, it's not a normal thing that anyone gives a shit about. Did you watch his appearance on the Fresh and Fit podcast? I saw a couple of clips. Then you probably saw it. all you needed to. Fresh and fit is like one of the most brilliantly misogynistic, hateful podcast. It's these guys that have just this sort of roundtable of women, usually only fans, girls,

where they just degrade these women for like an hour. And that's what he does. He's just like, he's negging all of them and saying the most misogynistic stuff you've ever heard. It is a strange economic conundrum. The Fresh and Fit and I would put the whatever podcast in this as well. I know, you know, it's like some of my friends or sex workers or I've talked to sex workers privately who have mentioned like, oh, hey, should I go on this podcast? Because actually it might convert well. And I'm like, really? And it's like, yeah, I actually have some

friends who went on and like, as much as they like to hate on the surface, what do they used to say, virtue signaling. But then behind the scenes, they're subscribing to the only fans. And it's like, okay, this is annoying because you're allowed to appreciate and enjoy the work of sex workers if that's your choice. I think that's the, one of the issues that I have with this is that there's always this projection of like a moral hierarchy on what jobs you do, how much money you make. You know, it's like if you're in the money space, how much money you make, if you're in the looks maxing things, that's how, how attractive you are.

And I saw some clip of clavicular like shaming some girl who did only fans and it's like, you do streaming. You do like, like, male only fans. I'm like, what do you? Like, we are not so different, you and I. Like, that's the frustrating thing. But the people in the chat, they get it. They're like, oh, yeah, what you're doing, I like that.

And what this person is doing, I don't like that. And actually, that means that you got monged. I do think part of it is that the internet, too, and, like, assigning analytics to everyone and, like, numbers to everyone. And, like, I mean, you mentioned the PSL score before, which is this rating system that they're all obsessed with, where it's like you can be a Chad, light, low-tier, normie, whatever. It's like there's all these different like names that they have for different sort of rankings on these scales. And it's all very mathematical. You can buy these like looks maxing apps that will like analyze your face and tell you like what you need to do. And so much of what he's doing is actually what women do too, which is very funny. I was going to say this is Myers Briggs and horoscopes right now, but for rough and tumble boys. And it's also like it's funny because there's a lot of parallels in terms of like the sort of moral panic around women getting plastic surgery and like wanting to look like Kim Kardashian or getting Instagram face or whatever. It's like he,

does this. I mean, he talks about wearing makeup, too. And, like, his whole thing is, like, basically, I will do anything to look good. And women do anything to look good. So why shouldn't I do anything to look good? And it's like, yeah, but it's because of the misogyny, by the way. Right, right. That system exists. It's like, yes. And I'm totally fine with you doing whatever to affirm the way that you look for yourself, affirm your gender, whatever. It's all of the other toxic shit. It's like, I actually don't have a problem with someone getting a, a surgery if they're an adult and, you know, like all these things. Like, there's nothing wrong inherently with cosmetic surgery. But why are you being mean to these people? Like, why are you,

yeah, why are you being hurtful and hateful? There is this like, like with the looks maxing world specifically, like it did come from extremist content. Like even just the acronym PSL comes from the forum's pickup artists hate, which is short for pickup artists, this forum, slut hate and lookism, which are just these like large communities, I guess, where it took place. This is according to GQ, like in the 2010s. They're all very like 4chan adjacent, like extremist content. You know that no normies were involved with that scale because it shares an acronym with the pumpkin spice latte.

And that would have been bad marketing if you had anyone in the room who was familiar with that. That's what I'm thinking of when I'm thinking of the PSL scale. It's sad also because like I feel that he will meet like a diary. And like there's there's something that is very scary and tragic to me. Even though nothing like you said, he's doing immense harm. He's out saying the N word. He's being horrible to women. But I don't know.

I think of this tweet that I saw like a month ago or something. And it was this woman and she tweeted, why do I feel maternal towards clavicular? This is something that I think a lot about because I make a lot of content about people being bad on TikTok or doing something. They're not supposed to do. And a lot of times people mean well. And it's helpful to just illustrate that there can be harm if you've lived in a bubble or if you've only ever been positively validated to say, hey, maybe you shouldn't do this. But then there's also the people who just don't care or they don't have any empathy towards or sympathy towards those who they might be harming.

And in his case, it's just hard for me to root for someone's downfall or for someone to have a really bad time in life. And a lot of times it's because the ingredients and the factors that contribute to that person's worldview are factors that other people are experiencing. And maybe they are in the like 1% of the 1% who is like, I need to make content about this. I need to proselytize this, speak on it. But a lot of the people watching him share a lot of the same perspectives. And there's something to that. They're getting at something that people connect to.

Yeah. There's some sort of root ideology that, that, that's, that people are connecting. There's some sort of root humanity maybe in him that is like, who among us has not tried to like optimize themselves in some unhealthy way that they know is going to harm them later? Like, we've all done it to a little extent. I got braces.

That's called looks maxing. You know what I mean? Like I was so self-conscious about my teeth that before I even got braces, I wanted to make sure I was doing it not just for everyone else. And I was doing it for myself, you know, because I didn't want to be doing something for the external gaze of other people if it wasn't improving my own life. I think of like diet pills and like things that women go through. Like any woman can empathize with that struggle to like feel like your judge on your looks 24-7.

And like I guess that's what he's put on himself. I'm like, bro, you don't have to do this. Like actually we've seen how this goes. Yeah. Doesn't matter. But just back to sort of like the ideology part of it and the harm. And it's like in one sense he's so young. And you're like, oh, my sweet child.

Like don't worry about any of this. Like I want to, I want you to like get out of it. But at the same time, especially recently, I see him being fed into this bigger pipeline. And the more clout that he gets, I think the more harm he will ultimately do. So there's this video that went viral right before Christmas of him getting invited to Peter Teal's holiday party and all of these like Silicon Valley, synchifent weirdos starting to follow him. I noticed that's when I started to notice people on tech Twitter. I was like, oh God, tech Twitter is going to have to learn about clavicular.

And Peter Thiel's crazy and injects himself with blood. You know, like he's doing his own weird anti-aging optimizing stuff. But then he also, Clivocular also posted that he's, you know, going to film a podcast with Michael Knowles of The Daily Wire. And Nick Fuentes had him back on. And it seems like he's very quickly being sort of swept into the upper echelons of the extreme far right internet. And that comes with a lot of power, especially with Trump in office. It comes with a lot of power, but also like my brain immediately goes to cynicism. Like you were a useful tool.

Oh, yes, yes. A hundred percent he's being used. A hundred percent. I, like, I just don't know what if he has any kind of grounding in community, family, friends, whatever, who like kind of keep him connected to... Obviously not, Jarvis. What do you talk about? I know, I know. I know.

But it's like, that's, that's kind of what happens. It's like, you become, like, so detached that just you're so impressionable to these people that will drop you the second it's not profitable. It's so interesting to see this, like, split happening in the right right now between like the mainstream conservatives, the Charlie Kirk wing of the conservative movement, and the grapers and the more far, like, extremists. Because I would say the mainstream conservatives have completely lost control of a lot of people that they amplified who were sort of useful idiots at the time. Candice Owens, a young black woman who they platformed and were like,

oh, we're happy to use you to shit on women, attack Black Lives Matter, et cetera, et cetera. And now they've lost control of her. And now she's questioning, like, you know, Charlie Kirk's death in these ways. She was like transvestigating Macron's wife. and the genie's out of the bottle, right? Like, you can't put the toothpaste back into the tube. She's feeding a lot more women down a really dangerous rabbit hole of conspiracies

in a lot of ways, I would say. But I think that, like, these people become who they are because they have a lot of money behind them, too. Like, you see the amount of money that these conservative right-wings pour people pour into them. Like, if Peter Thiel takes a liking to you, as we all know, like, you get money. You can become vice president.

You can become vice president. You can get, like, you get money in power. Look at Barry Weiss, like, the most untalented loser ever. who just got like $200 million deal at CB. Like, it's like, just because she tells rich people what they like to hear and clavicular, I'm like, who's more rancid, like clavicular very wise,

but he's more extreme. And I think of him in the Fuentes realm where I'm like, maybe he's going to die tragically at 22, or maybe he will mature and become even more hateful and amass more power. And that would be really bad. There's a clip recently that went viral on clavicular updates where it's him and another streamer

and clavicular reveals he doesn't care about politics. at all, but we'll support whichever side gives him the most money. I hate politics. So whoever wants to give me the fattest bag, let's be real. I'll go each and every way, brother. I saw that. I'm glad you brought that up because when we were talking about politics and how he initially found Nick Fuentes or whatever, I was like, I thought recently he said he doesn't care about politics.

In fact, I saw a clip of him saying that it's a waste of time to think about politics. Yeah. But I think it's like that that's a thing. just the nihilism, right? Do we have any examples of people who, like, were radicalized young, became famous through that type of radicalization pipeline and then reformed? I fear that we have yet to see that, and that is upsetting. The thing is when you, there's, there's some people that have stepped away.

I mean, there's like Nick videos, although I think he's right wing again. It's so funny, I was at the inauguration reporting on the TikTok influencer party the night before Trump became president. And I saw these kids that. have been de-platformed, and some of them had gone through wild political evolutions. Like, I reported on the Republican hype house back in 2020. And like, some of those kids, it's crazy. Some of that, I mean, Cam Higby is like a main street.

He's in the Pentagon now. And like these are kids that were in these TikTok lobby groups because I feel like when you get money and power and access, like, it's hard to sort of turn those things away. Some of the women get like married and sort of like Tommy Laren. I don't even think she's married, but like Tommy Lerrin, I would say it sort of fell off. No, I had not seen her in ages. I was like, I haven't seen you since like Hassan was beefing. with you on Facebook video and those old the Young Turks videos.

She was such a Facebook video star. I was going to say that my usual refrain is to just like, hey, like there's no need to be a mouthpiece for any sort of political arm. Because you're a person and they're like a political ideology or force made of lots of money and agendas. And like they're never going to care about you as a person and you are probably being used.

And so because I feel like the often thing is like, well, you're just liberal. And it's like, well, I think that we should just not stand politics. We should not stand politicians in any regard. But that's really hard in a world when both political parties want stands. And both are working to incentivize stands. And there's money in being a political mouthpiece online. And that's where I was going with that is that I want to say those things.

And I do. But then I'm like, well, but I get it. Because if you can be in the Pentagon after, you know, making a few cool TikToks, then. Yeah, right? Like, why not? and get hundreds of thousands of dollars. I think it's so interesting, too. Like, I mean, you mentioned, we were talking about sort of Tommy Lairn

and how she was the star of Facebook video. And then you had the TikTokers and now, yeah, they're in the White House, they're in the Pentagon, et cetera. And I think I wrote about this recently, but I do think that the new ascendant format in terms of fame is live streaming. And when you look at young influencers who are blowing up, a lot of them are blowing up through live streaming,

Kaisenat speed, like that whole group of Twitch streamers, kick is really growing. And because there's so much actual clip farming and like actual clip like clipping is sort of such a thing on social media, especially the far right. I was talking to a Republican firm recently. They're they're spending hundreds of thousands of dollars with clipping agencies just to cede out their right-wing influencers on subreddits meme pages,

just getting their clips out there. And they just, they want live streamers. They're basically recruiting live. They're looking for more young Republicans that are also live streamers. And so when I see someone like clavicular and Michael Knowles and all these, but like, I think they're like, ooh, we need streamers. We need our next. generation of talent. Here's this reactionary 19-year-old that has truly nothing to lose. A deeply

dystopian worldview. Let's like maximize it. Yeah. And it's like we saw this like in the lead up to Trump's reelection where a lot of podcasters were like, hey, I have access to the president. I have access to whomever. I'm actually going to get on the MAGA train and then start to have a hangover from that like after Trump has been in office for a bit. They're not really having a hangover. They're still, they're riding with Trump. I think some of the comedians started to be like, Uh-oh, but we'll still go to the parties. They're not disavowing power. It's a very strange time.

I'm also just worried about the other younger kids that are looking, now looking up to clavicular. And like, you know, he's normalized, like, Fuentes in 2019, that Groyper War era, those clips are not even extreme. Now you look and you're just like, oh, that's just another person challenging someone on social media. Like the stuff they're saying, like,

the Overton window has been moved so far. And so now, like, the things that we see that clavicular is doing where we're like, whoa, this extreme like body maxing, looks maxing, like misogynistic, nihilistic kid, blackpilled. Like that doesn't seem that extreme to a lot of 13 year olds, you know? And so there's this guy that came up on Instagram. His handle is like Chadified something, something. I don't want to give him free clout.

But he's been documenting his journey as a 23 year old man, 6-6 L-M-T-N, which is low mid-tier normie, I believe. He claims he's somewhere like mid to low on the like PSL chart. He finally quit his, I guess, lucrative computer science job dropped out and is now in Florida and his words, Bouncer Maxing, meeting up with his bros from the looksmax org discord. And when you go to this guy's profile, he's kind of trolling, but he also is meeting up with these people from the looks maxing discord. And I went down this rabble of these Instagram and it's like, clavicular is just sort of like the main guy of a lot of, there's a lot of like Timo clavoculars out there basically. And that is just going to continue. It's like it happened with Mr. Beast. It happens with everyone because once you've defined that there is a path,

it's kind of how like Hollywood only wants to make sequels. It's like once you figure it out a profitable path is out there, there's going to be a lot of people like following that path. I think it's also like there's a lot more women getting fed into this pipeline too. Clavicular was in a video recently helping a woman ascend. Like he has women in his program that are doing his weird protocols. and there's a video of him injecting his, I think it was his girlfriend,

although I don't think he's a girlfriend now, I don't know, some woman in his life with like, I wasn't sure if it was like filler or peptides or something or other. There is a clip that I was surprised was still on TikTok because it is a very visceral clip of someone being injected and it has 50,000, 51,000 likes and it's of what you're describing. It's of clavicular injecting a woman of unknown origin.

with something in her face. Just to kind of like wrap things up, I'm curious kind of like where you think this is going. Because part of me is just like, where is this man gonna be when he's 30? And I know men take a long time. Like they always say that women, I think because there's such this obsession

with like women's youth and beauty, like they start to notice like signs of aging really soon. They start to have these like life crises where it's like, oh shit, like am I getting old? Like what am I doing with my life? Men they say have that I think in there more in their 30s and 40s. But I'm like, you're gonna get old.

You're gonna get old. You're going to get old. Like, time comes for us all. And you're not going to be, like, 19 looking like a hot 28-year-old, you know, forever. There is that guy on TikTok. The 40-year-old that thinks he looks 17. Yeah, he's 16. Yeah, 17.

You think that's his future? I don't think so. The issue is that I have this concern about when you have cosmetic surgeries because it's like, okay, how do I age into this? Or am I going to have to continue getting maintenance surgeries forever? I will never say never because I think if you have enough money, you can look young. Forever. Chris Jenner. Chris Jenner is who I thought of as well. And she looks great. And also, I'm not shaming that. You know what I mean? Because it's like what she wants to do. Her stated

value system is like my value in the sex marketplace. I don't know if that's like what he's actually interested in because it seems like he's like an asexual guy who just wants to be hot. Well, there's something like homoerotic about like a lot of this stuff that men do for other men. And a lot of people have talked about that with like gym culture because they're obsessed with other men's of them almost more than women. I loved this one guy that was dragging him because there's been a few, like, Jim Bros. that are just like, this guy is crazy.

And he said, My guy, I hate to break this to you, but you didn't blow up because of how handsome you are. You blew up because you're the Kanye West of Midwest Sevens. But instead of talking about the Holocaust, you're talking about hollow cheeks. Whoa. I still feel this, like, I'm like, maybe I'm just getting older.

I'm like, don't be mean to this poor child as he, like, you know, is evil. It's tricky because he, I think, has exhausted probably all of that goodwill. You know, like, when I Show Speed was young, there's lots of, like, objectionable, annoying stuff he did. But then he, like, went on his world tour and kind of became like a beloved celebrity worldwide. And I think that that's, like, a really inspiring arc that he had. I don't know how far nihilism takes you because I don't know what you care about or what you actually want. Like, I saw he collabed with a guy I made a video about a couple years ago. or a year ago called The Desirable Truth, who's a I'm in Miami interviewing people kind of guy.

And he is the type of guy that asks very leading questions where it's like, oh, so are you okay if a man makes less than a woman? But you meet a woman now. How can she truly support you in your lifestyle for you to actually commit to her and be real? I found him interesting because he's just crafted the leading question very well, where it's like I can tell exactly why you're asking what you're asking. And he had clavicular on, again, a great name. And it was about being a millionaire at 19.

And I know nothing of his finances, but he is essentially without saying, I don't want a money max. He's basically saying like, you know, I don't think about that because I'll get too, I'll get too complacent and I want to keep pushing myself. And I'm like, towards what? Like, what is the goal?

If you don't care about anything other than the mocking people, what is the goal? So are you being disingenuous? My guess would be probably, because I don't think he really cares about nothing. But it's also okay. if you're 19 to be searching for meaning and searching for what you care about. Yes, I think as long as you're not doing like enormous harm, which unfortunately he is.

This is also just like getting older. Like it's given me so much empathy for like my mom and like my grandma where I'm like, you are so stupid when you're young. Like you really are. And I used to hate when people told me that. And like when you're a teenager, you're like, shut up. I'm like, I know everything. And now that I'm like older, you become an adult is what happens.

You become an adult. And I know 19 is technically an adult, but, like, you become an actual working, like, member of society. And you're like, oh, I actually don't have, like, a very holistic view of the world. And, like, maybe you're just watching drunk girls go home with random guys in Miami nightclubs, like, might not be an accurate picture of how, like, the dating market really works. There's another clip he was with that Santa Cruz guy where he said he doesn't care about a woman getting, having an orgasm. Oh, yeah. I've heard that. And also, he says he's slept with, like, 150 women or something.

and I'm like, highly doubtful. Second of all, you didn't make any of them come. Are you crazy? You sound terrible. Yeah, even just on the odds alone. Like, you'd get lucky once. So I think that when you're young, many people go through the experience where they go to college, they study something.

They're not sure if they are going to care about it. And they go out in the real world. They might find themselves trapped in a job in a career that they don't really care about because they were afraid to switch it up. Or maybe they didn't have the means to switch it up because I think that there's also like a class and privilege element of that. But he is unfortunately creating such a disaster in the wake of all of his moves now.

I worry that this is the type of thing that kind of locks you in where you can't escape from it. It's not too late to hang it up and say, actually, like, I want to be a positive force for good in society. I mean, I could see him becoming like a fresh and fit type guy. I just think that the older you are, the sadder that is. because when you see some angry 45-year-old guy talking about, like, women and their expiration date, it's like, ooh, you're sad.

And actually, the people that are magging you are these guys that are happy and have a great life, whether that's with a man or a woman or anything, you know? He's running out of time for goodwill from being youth, you know? Like, like, Jack Doherty, like, what is he, 22, 20, like, he's young also, but like, all the goodwill went out a long time ago, you know? And unfortunately, there is this common thing that happens with celebrities where you're like locked in to the maturity and more personality that you had when you first became famous. And I fear that this is a bad thing to lock into. As much as it's frustrating that if I had started doing YouTube earlier in life, I could have been more successful, had done more whatever.

I'm also so glad that I started doing YouTube when I was like 26 years old because I had like touched grass, you know? It's like I felt like I had lived a bit of a normal life and could contextualize what was what was happening. And I'm also lucky that I was on YouTube in 2006, 2007 with everybody else. And I clicked on a Hank Green video instead of a Shane Dawson video. And that was a, you know, that was an inflection point. You know, that was a fork in the road. But yeah, I remain optimistic. in the face of facts.

And I hope that this kid turns his life around and throws away this kind of hateful nonsense. And also stop saying the inward. We haven't even talked about that that much. It's just that like he doesn't, he's bad at it. He's like not good at saying the N word. I don't even buy it. Dude, there's so many racists online these days. This is how I feel with a lot of leftists that started using the R word again.

And I'm like, you don't have it in your fucking heart. Get out of here. You're performatively slurring. It's disgusting. You just want to be edgy. You want to seem edgy. You're honestly, it's the most lame, like, virtue signaling to reactionaries. It's like, ooh-hoo.

But you know that they're only saying the ones that they can sort of feel like they can get away with. Like, he's not saying, and not that we want young white men saying the N-word or young leftist men saying that our word. Like any, no slurs. Okay, we don't want slurs. But it's like he wants attention and he wants to seem reactionary. Oh, my God. The saddest clips of his are when he just goes into a restaurant and he goes, watch this. niggah. Anyone hear that? It's like, what are we doing, bro?

But yeah, it's, I don't know. I hopefully he, honestly, I want him to like meet a nice girl. I don't know why I'm like, she can fix him. But I'm just like, he talks about like, he's like, you can't get anywhere with women these days. And I'm like, dude, have you had like one real relationship in your life? He sounds like a divorced dad. Like it's like such a like stuck in his ways type opinion. Uh, women, you know, they're all just. So annoying. Talking about my ex-wife. Bro, you're 19. Yeah, it's like chill. All right, Jarvis. Well, thank you so much for joining me today to dive deep into the life

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