TBPN Live - Open AI Acquires TBPN, Artemis II, The AI-Built $1.8B Company | Diet TBPN

Episode Date: April 3, 2026

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We have some huge news. This is from the OpenAI blog. OpenAI acquires TBPN, accelerating the global conversation about AI. This is not an April Fool's joke. April Fool's was yesterday. We didn't do anything for April Fool's Day. This is real. This is a very interesting deal.

I think a lot of people will be interested in this. We're very excited about this. We have a bunch of context and information to share about how this changes things, what changes, what doesn't. I'm sure there's a million questions. we're trying we're going to try and get to them all but then we also have a huge normal show because normal show we got mark lore that's the first thing that's not changing tv pfons not going away we're going to be live every day three hours as long as we want we have a lot of flexibility we're going to do a lot of interesting things if you are calling me right now i can't pick up because i'm live

and i think you know it might be time to turn off the phone i think yes it might be time to turn off the phones yeah very very strange i think this is maybe the first time in history there's been a deal like this and then uh two people that are a part of have to go and talk for three hours straight, but it's technology business as usual over here. We're very excited about the Artemis II mission going successfully. Hopefully you all watched it. It was a lot of fun. We were watching it here on the screen and we were gripped as the rocket took off because it's been so long. We were so locked in. We were joking around that it felt like it should have been a pay-per-view. Yeah. Could we turn space into a profit center for the government? Somebody was saying that it was not entertaining. I was extremely entertained. I don't know.

Yeah. Maybe they could do more, but I thought. NASA has a decent e-commerce business too. We were watching, they were selling like 10,000 patches a minute or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think we were doing the back of the envelope. Just from the main call to action at the bottom of the YouTube stream, they were selling a patch for, I don't know, tens of dollars, and they'd sold like hundreds of thousands of them.

So as we were watching, they were selling something like $10 million worth of merch. So maybe go get some for yourself. Anyway, let's go over to PGCMO's post on the OpenAI blog. She shared this message with the company earlier today. She says, I'm excited to share that we've acquired TBPN. This acquisition brings a team with strong editorial instincts, deep audience understanding, and proven ability to convene influential voices across tech, business, and culture. I'm still going to be hitting the soundboard.

Yeah, you are. TBPN has built something pretty special. It's one of the places where the conversations about AI and builders is actually happening day to day. A lot of you already watch it and rely on it to stay close to what's going on. As I've been thinking about the future of how we communicate in Open AI, one thing that's become clear is that the standard communications playbook just doesn't apply to us. We're not a typical company. We're driving a really big technological shift and with the mission of bringing AGI to the world comes a responsibility to help create a space for real constructive conversation about the changes AI creates with builders and people, using the technology at the center.

And that's exactly what TBPN has built, which is what I was gonna say is the next line. That is a huge part of the show is making sense of what's going on, how these tools are actually being used, all of the implications we've gone all over the place and we will continue to go all over the place. Yeah, and over the last year, like, you know, multiple years, there's just been some,

there's so much uncertainty about AI, and I don't think we can change that. Yeah. But there's also a lot of fear and just talking through it with the people that are actually helping diffuse AI through the economy across every single industry is something that we've enjoyed a tremendous amount and is exactly what we're going to continue to do if you want to continue. Yeah, so she says, so rather than trying to recreate that ourselves, it made a lot of sense just to bring them in,

support what they're doing and help them scale while keeping what makes them special. A core part of this is editorial independence. We can say whatever we want because we're live and we don't need to run anything through anyone. It's not possible. It would be very difficult to have somebody here. Can we say this? I'm about to say a sentence. TBPN will continue to run their programming, choose their own guests, and make their own editorial decisions.

That's foundational to their credibility, and it's something we're explicitly protecting as part of this agreement. And also, we were never in the scoop industry. People were kind of asking, like, is this journalism? Is it commentary? I think we've always been like, hey, we like to talk to a lot of people, have a conversation, bring in people all over the place. Yeah, and even when companies have approached us and said, we'll give you the exclusive.

We don't. Yeah, we'll say, give it to somebody else. It's like, hey, you can come on the show. We got a golden scoop more. We actually want you to go talk to the journal or the Times or Bloomberg, wherever, Bloomberg, etc., wherever you want to go. And then come and contextualize it with us and let us dig in and understand more about the strategy. And so, TBPN will continue running their programming, choose their guests, and make their own editorial decisions. That's foundational to their credibility and something we're explicitly protecting as part of this agreement. I'm also excited to bring their amazing comms and marketing instincts to the team. We've got lots of ideas, and we're very excited for this.

They've helped many brands market online, and because they have a strong pulse on where the industry is going, their comms and marketing ideas have really impressed, did you see me? I can't wait to leverage their talent outside of the show to innovate on how we bring AI to the world in a way that helps people understand the full impact of this technology on their daily lives.

TBPN will sit within our strategy organization, reporting to Chris Lahane, really excited to welcome Jordy, John, Dylan, and the broader team. And here's a statement from you. Do you want to read this? What did you say? Over the past year, we've had a front row seat, not just to Open AI, but to the entire ecosystem

covering the daily news announcements and launches in real time. While we've been critical of the industry at times after getting to know Sam, Fiji, and the Open AI team, what stood out the most was their openness to feedback, and commitment to getting this right. Moving from commentary to real impact and how this technology is distributed and understood globally is incredibly important to us.

I contextualize it a little bit more shared, you know, a lot of people are like, is this an April Fool's joke? I've been saying, expect the unexpected. This is a plot twist. I'll give you that. It was unexpected. It was unexpected. to me, but I'm really happy about it. And when I reflect on my career, it's, I think it makes a lot of sense. And I can walk you through some of my career and my experience with Open AI and with Sam Altman. I've known Sam for maybe 13 years. He invested in my first company in 2013. And then we got in a really serious log jam during a financing and I wrote him an email I told this story in Bloomberg a couple years ago I wrote him an email and said like hey

like this is getting really rough I'm a first-time founder I don't know if we're gonna be able to get this done and he called me and we hopped on the phone for like five minutes and he was able to completely resolve everything and everyone walked out of the deal feeling pretty good and so that always left this impression on me that like he was founder friendly obviously he didn't in this particular case it was to my benefit not particularly to his benefit the way the deal, the way the deal like wound out. And he was just a great add, a great addition to the to the negotiation and really, uh, and you were very young at the time.

Yeah, you were just a wee lad. I was. You were about 23, 24 or something like that. Yeah. And then, uh, when I took my second company through YC, he was president at the time. Uh, and then when I joined Founders Fund, uh, the very first deal that I saw in motion at Founders Fund was the post-chatchapetee round in OpenAI in late 2022, early 2023. And so I sort of had this front row seat to all of this. And then once we actually started growing TBPN, he was one of the first people that I texted to say, hey, do you want to come on the show? And he was the first lab lead to come on the show.

And we're excited to continue having him on the show, hopefully have other lab leads on the show, have other people from all over the industry. And just generally, I think that when I was at Founders Fund, I was not particularly, in the weeds of intra venture capital fights. I was much more interested in the conversation around technological stagnation, not funding companies, not making great companies happen. I never was in a situation where I was like,

oh, like if a different VC firm backs a great company, that's bad, you know? And I think that's the same philosophy that I have always taken forward and will continue to believe in, which is that the American AI industry is the most important thing, and that will continue to be the case.

And I'm excited for all the different competition and everything that's happening in the industry to continue and push further. Jordy, did you have anything else to say? I just wanted to say some thank yous because a lot of people have been a part of this journey to date. It's been, I think, something like, let me do the math here, 496 days, roughly 16 months

since we put out the first episode. It was just the two of us and Ben sitting in a room, couple cameras, a couple microphones. And I will just say I didn't know this special of a business relationship was possible between you and me. Yeah. Like I think like if you look back on that almost 500 days,

we've had disagreements around strategy or approaches or things like that. But we have like almost universally stayed perfectly aligned on everything that matters every single day, every step of the way. And I think that's somewhat of a miracle, given that we went into this not really knowing what it would become. Yeah, we did like one side project together, and it took like eight months, and it was like not, it was like successful, but it was not like, oh yeah, like, okay, we were, we were working together daily for months, you know. Yeah. It was a lot of just, just jump in and leap of faith, right?

Yeah, and I think we've got this question so many times, like, do you guys get sick of each other? You know, you just have to talk to each other for three hours a day. And like, I've said this before. I'll say it again. And it is actually hilarious. The second that we leave the office, we both get in the car, we call each other, we end up talking for like another hour on the way home.

And so it's just been the privilege of a lifetime to just build this business with you. And the whole team, the team has been absolutely incredible. You guys are all truly amazing. And this very much is a, this very much is a team, like a team sport, like business is a team sport, but this is like a live team sport. We come in here every single day.

And the show doesn't happen if we don't all come in and make it happen. And so the consistency of the team has been just incredible. And watching everyone's individual talents just flourish. flourish has been incredible. A lot of people came into this, you know, having done a thing or two in the past, but learning new things. Brandon has been absolutely incredible. Just an absolute rock in the organization. Brandon, if you're not familiar, writes our newsletter every day and is just remarkably consistent and has like, you know, helped us shape our editorial approach. And it's been

incredible Dylan who joined us I guess technically Q4 of last year you know I'd worked with him at my last company but is truly truly one-of-a-kind remarkable I never want to I never want to do business without him and he has just done such an exceptional job working off-air it's like you know challenging when you're building a company and you're also having to put on a live performance yeah for three hours every day he wrote the newsletter yesterday so that's true that's true op-ed he wrote the op-ed uh ben ben who's been here uh since since before tbpn he was working with me on my youtube channel when did we start working new i was here before geordy yeah maybe like uh wait mid-224

maybe something like that sounds right yeah yeah we've traveled a lot a lot of pelton no but it's been it's been absolutely incredible to watch you grow uh from from an extremely talented individual and two very capable and talented manager and and building out a team of people that are so hardworking and wonderful and you know Michael Scott Jackson you guys you know are so you know such a joy to to work with even though what we do is is not easy and it's changing you know day to day Yeah. To all the guests, seriously, it's been, it's been so much fun. Like, if you went back and

rewound to the beginning of the show, to, we started with no guess. We did something like 50 episodes without any guess. We thought that there was a time that we thought we would just do that forever. Yeah. That was the only thing that was, you know, really unique about the show. Like, that's the reason I started creating content in 2020, because it was during COVID. There were no events, there were no places to meet other founders, meet other business people. I wasn't thinking of it as like a media business. I was thinking of it as like a way to just have conversations and meet other people who are building companies. And now we get to do that all day long, which is just dream come true. Yeah. So so many, so many guests have turned into to dear friends.

Yeah. You know, the Joe Wisenthals, the Dylan Patel's. There's really too many to list, but we will have you all back on the show. So I can't wait. To everybody that's tuned in, whether you've watched, you know, the RSS feed, the live show, the clips, the newsletter, anything. You know, we've strived to create the right product, regardless of how much time you have. If you have two minutes a day to read the newsletter, great. If you've got five minutes to watch some clips, if you want to watch the entire podcast, if you want to watch Diet TBPN, the daily cut down, thank you. Thank you for tuning in.

and fortunately pretty much everything is going to stay exactly the same. To our one and only Tyler. Tyler, you are truly, truly incredible. One of the brightest young people I've ever worked with, and you have such a bright future. You know, we always, we always knew that I've felt from the very beginning that you would go on to start your own company. And we cherish every single minute that we have with you.

And we're going to do our very best to retain you for decades. But thank you for everything you've brought to the show, everything you've built, Tyler. If you're just tuning in now, is built all of the internal software that we used to run the show. It's insane stuff. It is a fully custom content management system, CRM. It helps us edit all of our videos.

is the backbone of the show. It's a tool that the entire team uses on a daily basis, and truly the show would not be possible without it. And yeah, your contributions on air as well. It's amazing. It's so much fun to be able to cut over to you. And so it is with great honor that I give you this soundboard. And our sponsors,

Yeah. We can start with the ramp team Eric, Eric Kareem, and the whole team over there has just been incredible. They allowed us, you know, at the beginning, sorry, the end of 2024, when we had started doing the show, we really loved it. They were, they committed to sponsoring the show for a year, and that allowed us to do, to do so much in terms of investing in all the equipment that we use, hiring people. they made it possible and have been truly, truly exceptional partners. And watching Ramps' growth over the last couple of years has just been phenomenal, and they deserve all the success. And every other sponsor that has been a part of this, truly.

Shout out Nick as well. Oh, did he not get one? We got to get a direct shout out for Nick. We got to get a direct shout out for Nick. We don't know what to call Nick. We can't give his name on air. because he'll get 10 times more emails. He, the lineup every day is crafted by Nick.

He is our liaison to 99% of the guests that come on the show. Sometimes it starts with an interaction over X or a text message or there's other intermediaries involved. There's a lot that goes into actually getting someone into the waiting room, into the show, making sure that they understand how the show will work. It's sort of like you know, you're hot dropping into this live show that's new for a lot of people and Nick does a great job communicating and

parsing all the noise to understand what the best news of the day is how we can contextualize it best with the with the optimal guests and he's done a fantastic job and we'll continue it's an honor David Senra yeah one-of-a-kind he literally inspired us to grind harder yeah David was our very first listener that I'm aware of. He gets sent a lot of podcasts. We sent a link in a Google Drive. And he listened. And from that first episode, even though it was very scrappy, he said, take this, take this, you know, a hundred times more seriously than you are right now. And we did. And it's the best advice that I've ever gotten. And he has been. And we have a picture of framed. We couldn't print it full size. And it would.

years that was printed on a black and white photo printer, but it's a black and white photo, and he's a black and white brand. So thank you to David Senora, who's been the podcast Godfather, truly. And the gong. The gong. The chat is asking us to hit the gong. We have to, we have to oblige. The gong will remain. The gong will remain. Willmanitis has already chimed in with his take. He says many people are saying we're in the deal guy yuga, many are saying. And it means a lot that Wilmanitis. The only, he is the only guest who has co-hosted a full show from start to finish with us. And if you want to go back in the archives, you can watch that episode. It's a wild one. It was in a hotel room. We had yet to figure out the remote shows fully. The team worked really hard to make that one happen.

Very chaotic. Very chaotic. Is there anything else to say about open air? I mean, of course, we'll be in conversation with you forever. You know, anytime on the show, you're welcome to leave a comment or chat in the chat is asking, where is Wilhelminaeus right now? I don't know. Probably sailing a boat. I don't know. Yeah.

And yeah, it's an honor to partner with OpenAI and every single person on the team that we've had the pleasure of meeting we've been impressed by. They are ridiculously talented and every single person is committed to getting this AI thing right. We're incredibly excited. Great. Well, let's move on to the Artemis II pictures and images and news. Very, very exciting. It made the front of the Wall Street Journal. NASA aims to orbit moon for first time for first time since 72 to boldly go.

The crew of NASA is asking is that three Diet Cokes? Yes. I got four now. You got to thank Diet Coke. Thank you to the Coca-Cola Corporation for making this possible. Thank you to the Huberman team. team for the Matayina, Yerba Mates, the podcast in a can. Yes.

Wouldn't be possible without you guys. And thank you to tailors and suit makers. There's a lot of people that make this possible. The horse, the prop department, there's a million things here. It's been a great time. So the crew of NASA Artemis 2 head to Cape Canaveral launch pad Wednesday for the first human space flight to the moon in half a century. John Krause posted an incredible photo.

Is he someone who actually, yeah, he, he, he, he, he, uh, special comms assistant. He actually goes to the launches and brings special photography gear to get the best possible photos. And man, did he deliver with this one? What an incredible moment. We talked about a little bit. There's an article on the watches of NASA Artemis too. John, we have to thank our lovely wives. Of course.

How could we not? Our families. Did you get a text? Maybe. We don't talk about them a lot on the show. This is a show about technology and business, but they have been, they are the back, they're the truly the backbones of the show and have put up with, I think, like, a lot of travel, incredible hours, a lot of kids.

A lot of early mornings. A lot of early mornings, I think out of the last, out of every single day that we've done the show. I haven't, I've, I've left the house past 6 a.m. maybe twice, right? It's been, it's been a long road. And the good news, ladies, is it's, nothing's going to change. No, thank you to both of you for supporting us and allowing us to do what we do. Can we pull up this picture, Ben, in the production chat of the first episode that we recorded in the Jonathan Club in downtown, showing a little behind. Oh, you did? Yeah, behind the scenes. This is, yeah, such a wild time. Remember that? Yeah, remember that, Georgia? Suitless. We had the flag. Yeah. But no suits.

It looked pretty good on camera. I was happy with the way it came out. But yesterday, the long-awaited Artemis II mission took to the stars en route to the moon for the first such-maned mission since 1972. It's memory. The chat asked for a flashbang. We had to have a flashbang. We had to a Flash out, okay, that's good. Yes. The flashbang has been a highlight for sure. Both literally... Yeah, the soundboard.

It's truly a character on the show. And I have some too now. Its members all had Omega Speedmaster X33 models strapped to their flight suits. Danny Milton just wrote a full article on the site now detailing the watches worn on the wrists of the four astronauts throughout their time as part of this mission.

Watches have a long-standing history with spaceflight, notably through the Omega Speedmaster Moonwatch, but there are countless others that have cemented their place in the cosmos. So we can pull up this video now of the astronauts working on what looks like some type of tablet. So here he is typing in. Most secure password known to man. What is that, 9393 or something?

399. 3.939. 939. Powerful. We're going back to the moon. Apparently that video we played yesterday was a little bit of. of fake news. The young man, the adolescent who swears and says, we're going to the F and moon. He was, he, the real line, I believe, in the community note is that he says, we're going to the

frickin. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it had been altered to add the actual F word. But the, but the, the sentiment is still the same. Yeah. It's very exciting. Very inspirational. And Jared Isaacman on launch day says, oh, this kid is definitely getting it back in NASA gear. That's great. Very cool. There are some wrinkles with the launch, right? Fortunately, nothing like disastrous or catastrophic or anything, but the good news is that we're on our way back to the moon. The bad news is that the toilet's broken, apparently. And I believe this is from the live blog from the New York Times. The NASA Associated Minister said there is a controller issue with a toilet on the Orion capsule,

and it would take a few hours to troubleshoot. We're just getting started, he said, when addressing that and some other glitches with the spacecraft. The spirit of Apollo 10 lives on. They said, 1.35. They told us that here's another. It seems like this is not the first time that this has happened, but we're hoping for the best here. Sounds like there were some other issues with Outlook as well.

We can pull up this video from Tom Warren. Can remote in and take a look directly. Two? Why do you have two? Like web and desktop? Or do you think it's like two separate desktop installations? We will join in on your PCD and we'll let you know when we're done. Honestly, this is the best possible failure.

Mario is Outlook and not the rocket itself. Can they vibe for the solution? There were so many amazing images coming out yesterday. Peyton Alexander says, this is the real reward for Artemis. This is who we are actually doing this for. They will grow up knowing they can one day work in their country's bases on the moon and Mars. We are not just abstractly hoping for a better world for them. We are going there.

And two kids here watching the launch from Orlando. Just beautiful. Yeah, my five-year-old said it was boring, which is not what you want to hear, but we'll have to give some more context to him about how big of a deal it is. He was like, yeah, I don't know. Maybe he wants more flashing lights on the screen. We were driving for the actual launch, and it was so funny listening to the audio feed and sitting in traffic and just looking out at everyone. Yeah. And realizing that it felt like the majority of the world still wasn't paying attention or didn't care. I mean, like, rockets do launch, like, every day now.

I know. SpaceX has normalized it to such a degree. Isn't there some sort of subplot on the Apollo missions that by the third or fourth Apollo mission, there was no, like, the actual viewership had dropped off and, like, the American population had gotten bored with it. 2.6 has put subway surfers on it on the NASA feed. Crazy. You actually need to, maybe need to do this. How AI helped one man and his brother build a.

a $1.8 billion company. Who needs more than two employees that when artificial intelligence can do so many corporate tasks, it's super efficient and a little bit lonely. So Aaron Griffith tells the story of Matthew Gallagher who took just two months, $20,000 and more than a dozen artificial intelligence tools

to get his startup off the ground. From his house in Los Angeles, Mr. Gallagher 41 used AI to write the code for the software that powers his company, produce the website copy, generate the images and videos for ads and handle customer service. He created AI systems to analyze his business

his performance, and he outsourced the other stuff he couldn't do himself. His startup, MedVee, a telehealth provider of GLP1 weight loss drugs, got 300 customers in its first month. In its second month, he gained more than 1,000 more. In 2025, MedV's first year in business, the first full year in business, the company generated $401 million in sales. Mr. Gallagher then hired his only... This is absolutely insane, because as GLP1s were starting to take off.

I had, I remember distinctly talking with somebody that was like, I want to start a telehealth company for GLP-1s. And at that time, I was like, okay, there's a lot of telehealth companies that are at scale. Yep. And they're well aware of this. They will immediately introduce this product and other, you know, similar products to their customer base. And it's going to be incredibly difficult to be competitive. And it turns out there's just such overwhelming demand for these products that you could come in as a new company. and scale. Like one year in, maybe, he hires his only employee, his younger brother, Elliot.

This year they're on track to do $1.8 billion in sales. A $1.8 billion company with just two employees in the age of AI, it's increasingly possible, says Aaron Griffith in the New York Times. Sam Alman, the chief executive open AI predicted the rise of a new breed of super-efficient company in 2024. A one-person business worth $1 billion would have been unimaginable without AI. he said on a podcast, and now it will happen. Now is AI tool spread, entrepreneurs are harnessing the technology to expand their startups to an enormous scale at breathtaking speed with very few humans.

Big companies, especially in tech, are getting in on the disruption two. Pinterest, Block, and others have cut thousands of workers in recent months, citing efficiencies enabled by AI. Does this count yet, though? I feel like to be the one person, one billion dollar company, you gotta be able to log into your payroll tool, and you're the only person there.

Oh, so is. And he's got his brother. in there. Sorry, bro. Take a walk. The startup, which is not raised outside funding, also has no official valuation, but many highly valued tech companies can only dream of hitting one billion in revenue with so few workers. Medvea is also profitable. That is great and important if you're bootstrapped. Can't get very far. Is this a wrapper company? It's like a GLP1 wrapper. But it's AI enabled, but it's not wrapping the AI foundation model. It's like using the tool to wrap another industry and just create the efficiency between the manufacturer and the actual distribution.

It really is remarkable that they were able to hoover up so much revenue in such a competitive space because you would assume that the other telehealth providers would have significant ad operations and that the margins on customer acquisition would be very, very tricky to crack. But he must have found some unique insight into how to distribute the product, get actual people to the website, because like the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, The AI certainly can build the website and write the copy, but it can't necessarily get people to show up and actually put down their hard-earned cash for the product. I texted my dad, the news. He says, congratulations. That's so exciting. Thanks for letting me now. Talk to you soon. Have a great day. Thank you. Thank you, Dad. That's amazing. Well, if you've texted me or you've called me in the last three hours, there's a good chance.

that I might respond to you in the next couple hours. Leave us five stars in Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Subscribe to our newsletter, TBPiddon.com. Everything is the same. We will see you on Monday. The fun week, next week, five shows, 15 hours. Let's be honest. It'll probably be more like 17 or 18 or 19.

We'll see. Who knows? The world is our oyster. And thank you for being with us along the journey. Let's get one more gong hit, John. One more gong hit. It's been an honor. Gong hit.

Goodbye, everyone. See you soon. We'll see tomorrow.