TBPN Live - Siri needs an App, OpenAI Acquires health startup Torch, Claude Cowork reactions | Diet TBPN

Episode Date: January 14, 2026

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Everyone wants to know, did John get a haircut? Yes. Yeah, I did yesterday. Cleaned it up a little bit. It's getting wild. There's some length still. We'll see. I think Siri needs an app.

I think that that's under-discussed. The news is that Apple and Google have a deal. We talked to Ben Thompson about it yesterday. Billion dollars going from Apple to Google. Now, my real hot take is that I think it's going to flip at some point. And I think Google or someone else is going to pay Apple to route LLM queries to them. because with the universal commerce protocol, agentee commerce protocol, with ads and LLM responses,

there's gonna be a whole bunch of moments where an LLM query is actually profitable. And on average, I think they will be profitable. I think the price of inference will continue to decline, and the value of each query, the monetization of each query, will increase until there's a flippening. And then all of a sudden, every LLM query that's generated is on net across the entire category, generating profit instead of generating

losses, which is what's happening right now. Of course, just like with Google, when you search for, you know, how old is Leonardo DiCaprio or something, they're not making a lot of money on that. They're not running a lot of ads on that. But when you go to search for insurance or something like that, they charge a pretty penny for those ads. And I think the same thing will be true for LLMs broadly. It is kind of interesting. They don't, I just looked it up. They don't run ads on how old is Leonardo DiCaprio, you'd think that they could figure out some type of ad to serve a Yeah, you'd think Brian Johnson would be buying an ad on that. Like some peptide. Because you're like, oh, he looks great and what's he doing? Oh, and then they look like Leo. He's 51 year. Leo was

born in the 70s, which is crazy when you say it like that. Well, he's looking great. He was at the, he was at the Golden Globes, having fun celebrating his movie. Goofing around. Yeah, yeah, he was goofing around. He was caught on like some Mike looking at somebody. I don't know. I saw some random clips. The real thing I wanted to debate with Tyler was I was arguing that Siri needs an app. It's crazy. Siri came out in 2010. Hasn't had an app for its entire life. I mean, it actually started as an app back in the day. It was Siri is that from the Stanford Institute of Research and Intelligence or something like that. Yeah, it was like a 200 million dollar acquisition. Yeah, yeah. So it was an app that you needed to install on your iPhone. There were a few of these

speech recognition apps that you could go and you'd open up the app, click a button. Siri, because I think the fact that they were on the on the West Coast, was able to get the deepest integration in Apple, sort of win the home button over time, win the Siri button. And eventually they teamed up and actually, oh, I have triggered Siri on my MacBook. There you go. Fantastic. Eventually, you know, Siri gets baked into the operating system level and the rest is history. The first couple of years are pretty good.

People are excited. You know, you can, it was somewhat magical to be able to just press a button, ask for the weather, ask for a stock chart, ask for, you know, what's on your calendar, dictate a text message. A lot of that was pretty great. Estimates are around 500 million active Siri users globally, which is huge. But there's 1.5 billion iPhone users. So having only a third of your user base use your AI feature seems a little bit low, if that's the case. Obviously, juicing it up with an LLM like Gemini makes a ton of sense.

But this deal between Google and Apple makes a ton of sense for a few reasons. Google's actually profitable, has the money. They don't need to take a huge amount of cash from Apple. They can give them sort of a deal on it because it's a billion dollars. Ben kept throwing around big numbers yesterday. Let's be honest. We're intact. It's not a lot of money.

It's actually true. It ramped up because at first it was, the $30,000 DaVinci Resolve, the Black Magic, Ursa, immersive camera, that's $30,000. He's like, that's nothing. You just put the number. That's true for a tech company. And he was like, you know, Apple's paying Google a billion dollars. That's nothing.

It's like they're both nothing. Yeah, the whole thing with the, Apple's, that's a $4 trillion company now. The infrastructure, the hardware to do a live Apple Vision Pro broadcast being $30,000 or something in that range is like the fact that they could copy and paste that around every. stadium and suddenly have like a probably a like I imagine they could scale that to hundreds of millions of dollars of like you think so review and stuff yeah not not even pay per view but just a subscription yeah it's like the you can just selling headsets i mean the headset's 3500 dollars yeah you only need to sell 10 headsets to offset the price of the of one immersive camera my take is that i think over time this will flip and i think over time google will be paying apple for all of the lLM

routing that happens because google will be monetizing those queries you will go to syri and you will say what's the weather and Gemini under the hood will tell you the weather and they probably won't monetize that very well but then every once in a while you'll say hey Gemini order me a new TV and it'll say what size do you want and it'll just order me rain rainmaker yeah yeah yeah it changed the weather and and they will get either an affiliate fee or a transaction fee or there will be an ad that's placed in the stream of content that comes back and I would imagine that right now Apple's saying don't do any of those ads don't monetize these queries but over time I imagine that they will. But the big thing that I wanted to discuss with Tyler, he was

fighting me on this, he says that Siri does not need an app. I think that Siri will need an app. I think that the LLM chat interface is so dominant at this point that everyone has the experience of going back and forth asynchronously, like it's chatting to a helpful assistant, like you're texting with a friend, you want to be able to scroll up and see previous. Yeah, if you think about it be very annoying if you had a real-life assistant and they were like you can only call me well i won't Tyler explain explain your position so it's not that oh no you flash banged him hit him on a flashback so i was trying to help you out john uh opinion denied tyler opinion we have a flashbag now on the stream what good timing so did Tyler uh what the flashbag wears off

please tell us okay so it's not that i I disagree. I'm not like anti-app. It's just like the fifth most important thing that they need to like do. Okay. Like I don't care like okay, would you rather have the same Siri but there's also an app or a new series. There's no app. Yes, yes, yes. It's a better model. Like obviously you're picking the latter. Yeah, you're picking the better model. But what I'm saying is that as soon as you integrate a better model that has more he's going to flashbang again. I'm too powerful. I'm watching this. As soon as you have deeper responses and more back and forth and more Knowledge retrieval. Siri has, they had Wolf Form Alpha integration. I think they had a Wikipedia integration for a little bit,

but it was more just like pulling up a Wikipedia snippet. If you want to go deeper, you would open that webpage in Safari and look at the actual Wikipedia. Now there is new context and new content that's being created on the fly by these models because you can ask questions that don't exist in a single Wikipedia page. Gemini, under the hood in Siri, will instantiate that for you, give you those paragraphs, and you might not be able to be able to to read through all of that in one screen time session. You might get a text message,

you need to answer it, you might get a phone call, you might have to put your phone down to keep doing whatever you're doing, and you want to come back to it. And so, yes, you could just say your prompt again and reinstatiate it all, but that takes time. These models are slow, especially if you're firing off a deep research report. I mean, like, yes. Like these are, I agree that these are important things, but these are like far from the most important thing. I could just say, okay, if I'm asking about chips yesterday, we have this long conversation, and then I say, okay, yesterday we're talking about chips. Let's continue that conversation. That's that whole thing solved now.

Yes. So that is a, that would be amazing. But the current chat apps don't even have that functionality. If you go to a new empty chat box. You could very easily implement that. There are on all the, okay, on cloud, on chat, you can search through your past chats. Do you know how bad the search is? The search is not LLM power. It's not. I've found the search. It's not that good. It's not that good. It's not that good. Okay, well, they can... It's not actually an LLM query.

It's not just you're talking about something like you're talking with a friend. You have to use keywords again. You're back in, like, traditional search world. You don't just go to the same empty box and say, hey, remember when we were talking about the fall of the Roman Empire? We pull all that up.

It doesn't do that. Okay, sure, but that's, I don't think that's that hard to implement. You just... It's not. But we're talking about Siri here. It can barely pull up the weather. We're going from like a D-tier product to now we're baking in a new model, Gemini. Yeah, but it's going to take it to like B-tier.

The implementation of the model is way more important than if the app works, if I can like search through it correctly. So, okay, if you're doing a deep research, are you even, are we even sure that that is, you want to be using Siri for that? Like maybe it's just better to do it. Whenever I do deep research, I never do it on the app. I'm always on like my laptop. Nerd, nerd alert.

Because it's just like way more information dense. There's a bunch of links that I want to click on. No, to do that on the local. definitely fire off deep research reports on their phone. Maybe they go read them later on their laptop, but we live in a mobile first world and Apple, and that's the Apple customer base. Part of what's cool about these apps is that if I pull out the sidebar, I can scroll through and I can remember, oh, wow, I was looking at, you know, the NBA's history and, you know,

their attendance over different, I don't even remember firing this off. But, like, I did, and now I can go back and enjoy the fruits of, its labor. What would you rather have? Would you rather have Gemini 2.5 and an app or Gemini 3 and no app? It's not a trade-off. They're getting the best Gemini, obviously. And then also the app is coming. That's what I'm saying. Apple is bad at implementing AI. Yes. Do you agree with that? They have been to date. Yeah, no one debates that Apple intelligence was sort of botched. So I think there's definitely a case to be made that they need to prioritize certain things. And the implementation of the actual model, like them using the best model that's going to be fast,

It's going to, like maybe on Siri, people are used to having fairly short responses. You don't want paragraphs and paragraphs unless you ask for it. Okay. Stuff like this is, I think, much more important than having. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yes, and I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, truthfully, developing the type of app that I'm discussing about Siri, like, it should be able to be one shot by cloud code.

Yes, yeah. Like, it's super simple. Okay, let me say one more thing. Okay, so I'm just saying like, I'm about to flashbang you. Okay, if you're like writing this, who's the audience, like Apple, right? You want to make a change? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so it's like.

Ben Thompson comes on yesterday. All I'm saying is that is that I'm excited for, I'm excited to be able to access Gemini with a button. I feel like that's what this deal is giving me. Yeah, that has nothing to do with an app. Also, after I access Gemini with this button that triggers, trigger flashbang, then I want to be able to see my list. Pull up this clip from Gary Tan testifying in the Senate. Okay, okay. about who here actually uses Siri.

I personally do not because I know that it does not have the cutting edge technology that... I don't get along well with her. Yeah, but exactly, that anthropic or Open AI or many other American labs could provide. And imagine if Apple opened it up so that similar to when you open Windows, you have to choose a browser. What if you choose your AI agent? Then there are a billion consumers in the world. consumers in the world who would suddenly have access to not just one self-preference Siri but a variety of American labs and that would open up investment that would

open up prosperity I like this when is that from is that recent Ian is on an absolute tear see oh over here thank you Ian hi he says current Apple's currently hiring 300 Siri focus role they're going big they're gonna do everything you You don't think one of those is an app developer. I'm ready to move the goalposts. Let's do it. We have the goalpost. So my new definition for Apple AGI, Apple intelligence, Apple super intelligence, Apple super intelligence.

There's just a functioning search feature in iMessage. That would be very good. That's AGI for Apple. That's ASI. No, my definition is I want to be able to go to the new Siri. And so I got an iPad and the iPad just accidentally installed. like every app that I've ever installed on my phone on the iPad, which wouldn't be that bad because on my phone,

I have one home screen and then I have a second screen, and then the third screen is just the app library. And it just has a search box. And then the app library actually very intelligently organizes things into productivity, utilities, entertainment. It does all that for me. I don't need to organize it. I don't choose where things go.

It knows if it's a creativity app or a travel app or a news app. It puts it in its correct category. I don't need to manage that. So it's great. It's a good test of agentic AI to be able to, with a single prompt, one shot, hey, clean up the whole desktop because we're seeing that today with Claude Co-Work. As trivial as that example is, I think it's a good example of what an agentic system should be able to do if it has the proper hooks into the OS layer.

Claude Co-Work can do it on desktop. What's the iOS equivalent of that? It's got to be Apple Intelligence. They have their walled garden. The walls are standing up. They're not letting Claude co-work go around your iOS installation and hook into all your different local APIs. That's the domain of Apple Intelligence.

That's the domain of Siri. Series now powered by Gemini. Let's see if that's what they launched. Apple ran a blind test of frontier models and picked Gemini. Interesting. And there's this old photo of the Tim Cook meeting with Sundar Pachai from Google in a dimly lit cafe or a restaurant. Tim Cook very clearly mewing here.

I think they're both mewing at each other. They're both mewing at each other. They're just having a mew off. Yes, that's how they really decided. They're not even talking. They're not they want to do business to the other. New York Times has a new profile. John Turnus, a low profile, but influential executive at Apple.

Could be next in line to replace the company's longtime chief executive, Tim Cook, if he steps aside. They say around 2018, Apple considered adding a tiny laser to its iPhones. The part would allow consumers to take better photos, more accurately map their surroundings and use new augmented reality features. But it would also cost Apple about $40 per device cutting into the company's profits. John Turnus, Apple's head of hardware engineering, suggested adding the component to only the more expensive pro models. And we have to take a minute to talk about the nominative determinism of Turn Us.

Turn Us Around. Mr. Turn Us Around. Our AI strategy is failing. We need somebody to turn us around. Mr. Ternis could be the man for the job. He joined Apple in 2001. He is now considered by some company insiders to be the frontrunner to replace Tim Cook. Apple last year began accelerating its planning

for Mr. Cook's succession. Like Mr. Cook, Mr. Ternis is known for his attention to detail and his knowledge of Apple's vast supply network. Both men are also considered even tempered collaborators. If meta owns WhatsApp and includes that in the family of apps and messaging is obviously a huge driver of stuff.

social networking activity these days, people sharing content through there, Snapchat is a messenger, Instagram is, you know, you look and you see there's more shares on this real than likes, because people are sending it to each other. That's what people do. That's how people are. Yeah, and I think the people have long had the idea to build a family-focused social network, and I don't think they'll ever be successful because group chats on IMessage function. Oh, yeah, totally. Do that very well. You just can't keep up with that. Apple's plans for artificial intelligence are also a big question. Is he HGI pilled? Is he AISI pilled? Whatever is timelines? Is he a doomer? We got to get to the bottom of this. Hopefully the New York Times

is asking the hard questions. We will find out. While other giant technology companies have spent tens of billions of dollars developing AI, Apple has largely been on the sidelines, and it pushed off making major changes to its products with new AI technology. It'll be up to Apple's board of directors to decide who will eventually replace Mr. Cook, who also sits on the board. The rest of the company's eight board members did not respond to request for comments and Apple declined to make Mr. Ternus available for an interview. They couldn't get the New York Times in the room with Ternus. Is he a nice guy? Yes, says Mr. Rogers. He is a nice guy. He's someone you want to hang out with. Everyone loves him because he's great. And here's the quote that lives in infamy. Has he made any hard decisions? No. Are there hard problems he's solved in hardware? No.

Cameron Rogers, Hater of the year right here. We should have Cameron on the show. Hater in chief, chief hating officer. It's crazy. Certainly, you cannot be at Apple for two decades and never have made a single hard decision or solved a hard problem in hardware. Like, that seems impossible. It's funny.

There is a hardware engineer at Apple today named Cameron Rogers, but it is... Different person. Different. Okay. Very fun. Well, good luck to him. I don't know. I think you can figure it out.

I would be shocked if he's really never solved a hard problem. Seems like he has some beef with his camera. fellow. Open AI. They've acquired Torch. It's a healthcare startup that unifies lab results, medications, and visit recordings. Bringing this together with Chachapit Health opens up a new way to understand and manage your health, says Open AI. Okay, founders of Torch. Torch was a four-person company. Oh small. They, the co-founder of Torch, Ilia, I believe one of the other founders, previously built forward. Yeah.

Ilya was also an early Uber GM, so trained at the Travis Kalanick School of Mogging. Healthcare startup founded in 2016, they wanted to rebuild the healthcare system from the ground up. Sounds cool. The general belief was that health care was too reactive instead of proactive, right? You go to the doctor when you're sick, not to just kind of generally be healthy. They had an app, they wanted the sort of physical spaces to feel like Apple stores, right? They wanted this Apple-like experience for health. A subscription-only model.

They didn't accept insurance initially. A bunch of folks, Founders Fund, Kostla, Eric Schmidt, a bunch of legends were in the round. 2018 to 2022, they expanded to dozens of locations. They had body scanners, real-time blood work, a bunch of different software that they had built out. 2021 reached evaluation of over $1 billion, raised a quarter billion-dollar-ish series D round. At this point, from that point on, they sort of pivoted to focusing on this thing called care pods. And these were like trying to be autonomous, like AI-driven medical kiosk, so honestly probably right idea maybe a little bit too early. I think the right way to read into this, Open AI just launched Opening Eye Health.

They're now acquiring a torch. I would assume that they want all, they want all of your, they want all of your health data. Like they really wanna help you with your health. And what your blood, they're out for blood. They want your blood. They want your blood work.

Maybe, maybe they could say like, hey, this month, instead of, instead of paying, you could be a blood boy for us. Our research just working really hard. And they need your blood. I'm ready to upload, upload me. Just let me know, let me know what, what, I'm going to read the message that Torch wrote.

Torch says, everyone deserves the best answers modern medicine can give them. And yet, we've all had people close to our hearts who didn't get the answers they needed about their health. We have more data about our bodies than ever before, but it's never been harder to bring it all together. Patients see only a fraction of their own records, while clinicians have too little time

to parse the growing stream of data patients bringing in from wearables and consumer health companies, you know, like function, et cetera. AI is the most important new tool we've had in decades for turning the chaos into clarity. But AI can't help you if your health Health data is scattered across four hospitals, two labs, seven apps, and three web portals. We started Torch to build a medical memory for AI, unifying scattered records into a context

engine that helps you see the full picture, connect the dots, and make sure nothing important gets lost in the noise again. Every time I see one of these new features drop from Claude, co-work, or OpenAI, chat, GPT, health, it just feels like the Siri thing is bigger and bigger. back to what Tyler was saying about implementation of the model because Apple has Apple Health. There's a whole promise there of what Apple Health as an app can do. You want that to be AI enabled. So they need to update that as well.

There's so many different, okay, shopping, agentic commerce. Like, there's Apple Pay. Is Apple Pay integrated with Siri and the new AI function? So they really do need to go around and update all over the place if they want to stay. they have some dominant positions carved out, but every AI company is trying to eat off Apple's plate as much as they can. But there's a really, really strong lock-in

to most of the Apple ecosystem. So it's not over if they don't move right now and get the app out and get updates out. But it's very clear that if Apple or ChatchipT Health is rolling out, it's going to take time for people to ramp up, start integrating things, start using it. But if that behavior develops and it's another two, three years until Apple responds, like, yeah, they are going to be a laggard in that category.

Claude code for the rest of your work, American middle class desk jockeys, watching the asteroid hit the dinosaurs. We will see, we'll see how much this moves productivity, how much this move GDP. That's the big question for this year, is how much will people actually be able to use this to do the work that do every day. I've been in jobs where my organizing desktop files was actually a one trillion dollar industry. Yeah. And I mean, I have I have been I was an I was an intern once and my job was basically to open up an Excel template every day, copy paste some some numbers, sort of make sure all the formulas held. And over the internship, over the couple months, I wrote more and more

visual basic so that my job went from eight hours on the first day to four hours to eventually it was like 15 minutes you might see a bull market and water cooler talk oh yeah that's possible as people automate more and more of their work and just decide to yeah i'm a i piled after seeing what the new grad philosophy major i hired to fly drones from mountaintop has automated at rainmaker with claude yeah we keep asking Tyler, hey, can you automate this? And he says, uh, sorry, sir. It's, it's not, it's not possible yet. It's not possible yet. Hmm. I don't, I don't believe it. I never said that. He basically said everything. Okay, Claude, take this unstructured data and turn it into dashboards that will give executives deeper insights into critical business functions, make no mistakes.

Uh, cheer tickets as all reliable because Sophie posts some version of this. Wait, really? Once a day. Once a day? Basically. No way. He's on viral with the same. concept. Atlas says, Claude, here is a picture of my crush. Claude, here is her phone number. Make her my GF. Make no mistake. That's also his been playing.

Everyone has their role to play in the post-Singularity hangout session. Jawan says, there's no point in learning or doing anything anymore. Just learn English and acquire a good mental model of things and just type, bro. Just type. We'll see.

I mean, you have to actually be inspired to come up with something that people want, talk to users or something like that. We got to go over to the OpenAI device. There's new leaks. Alleged leaks. We'll see. It's a new audio wearable, meant to replace AirPods.

So the lines with what the information has been leaking. The code name, Sweet P. Interesting. It looks like a metal eggstone with two little capsules behind the ear, aiming for a two nanometer chip, maybe a custom chip for phone-like actions. Big ambition, 50 million units in year, one. That's a lot of devices.

Foxcon has been told to prepare for five total devices by Q4 of 2028. All not known, but a home style device and a pen are still considered. I wonder how serious going to Foxcon, if you're opening AI, you go to

Foxcon and you say, prepare for five devices. What does that really mean? Does it mean, okay, help me prototype, do some demo runs, build me one or two and maybe we'll do one of the five, maybe we'll do two of the five, Is Foxcon really reorienting everything about this? Are they totally prepared to make five?

How serious is that? Serious is that? I don't know. All I know is that it's exciting. I like hardware. It's fun. We're seeing it. We're seeing glimpse of this with the kids with the board and with the, what was it called?

Camera box? No. Sticker box. Yeah. Sticker box. Yeah. And I think, I mean, opening eye, it sounds like Johnny's team are the ones that are kind of pushing for this form factor,

according to obviously this is a rumor, but picking a form factor similar to AirPods, which have insane product market fit, which last time I checked you're like a $20 billion revenue line for Apple. It could be a standalone business by itself. And again, if you look back to the infamous interview with Gersner,

Sam was saying, like, we have a device coming. Yeah. We have a device coming. Don't worry. 50 million minutes. That's a lot of revenue. potentially. I mean, I don't know if they sell them. What do you think the price point for a, for a open AI device would be? $300, $1,000, $999, $3,500? I feel like they have to, I feel like they

have to stay in the range of the AirPods. And AirPods are between $100 and $300, basically. So low, single-digit hundreds. Well, Andrew Curran has a projection for what it will look like. If they ship this. I think they got an absolute blockbuster on their hands. This goes so hard. The reason I like it is because the computer part is actually on the back. So it frees you up to just stay locked in. Super cool. And also I love that there's a display that you can't see, but everyone else can. Apple has just introduced Apple Creator Studios as Aaron here, analyst at Mac Rumors. Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, PixelMater Pro, motion, compressor, and main stage, plus new AI features and premium content in keynote, pages, and numbers come together in a single subscription.

I would love to know what the average iPhone customer spends on software monthly. They're printing. Their services, businesses, businesses, is everything at this point. Yeah, I guess you could just divide services revenue. Well, services revenue, they don't really break it all out. Whenever they talk about services, they talk about Apple TV, all the wonderful TV shows. and movies that they're producing. But then a lot of the services revenue comes from the app store, 30% cut.

You're laughing. What's funny? Dave says, Jordy, you dork. You didn't pirate it. Honestly, I, my father was very much like, you wouldn't, you wouldn't steal from the grocery store, don't, don't steal from, you wouldn't pirate a car. Big computer, big Apple. Yeah.

Respect, big tech from day one. Let's read through this back and forth between Tim Sweeney and. And Palmer Lucky because they're going back and forth. PC Gamer reported that Epic Game CEO Tim Sweeney argues banning Twitter over its ability to AI generate adult images of minors is just gatekeepers attempting to censor all of their political opponents. Tim Sweeney fired back and said this is a vile lie by PC Gamer. I criticized a government official for pressuring Apple and Google to block a speech app owned by their political opponent, depplatforming 500 million users on the pretense of stopping a small number of users from distributing disgusting content. And Palmer Lucky chimed in and said, PC Gamer loves to make things up about people they don't like.

And he's going back to a report that PC Gamer put out about. This is an insane headline. Tech billionaires, including Palmer Lucky, set up dumb new bank for those who didn't get burned enough in the 2022 crypto crash. You could write a headline like that. That's insane. Why does PC Gamer? It's so hard.

They literally use the word dumb. I mean, I guess this is opinion piece or something, but it's all about the stable coins, and they call him a bond villain. Wow, they really don't like him. This is crazy. Palmer replied, he said, quote, the point of SVB and thus Arab War is risky bets on fledgling startups that are unlikely to be backed by traditional finance,

which has all these pesky rules and regulations. Why are you lying? The point is literally the opposite. It's time for Silicon Valley to actually get involved and organized in California. One, financially tough times are ahead for California. California's government will almost certainly try to loot Silicon Valley. Silicon Valley will flee.

Four, this will create a severe loss for the Bay Area in California and for the United States. Five, the only way out is for successful technologists to run and win for office at every level in the 20206 midterm elections, especially for governor. Newsom says, this will be defeated. There's no question in my mind. I'll do what I have to do to protect the state. the governor has long opposed to wealth tax because of concerns. All of that is just very, very complicated, but there's really good news because now you can book a hotel on the moon.

A new startup backed by Nvidia NY Combinator is planning to develop the first hotel on the moon by 2032. I'm going. I'm going. It's starting at $416,000 per night. We'll see where that actually lands. Thank you so much for tuning in. you tomorrow at 11 a.m. Pacific. Leave us five stars on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. And sign up for a newsletter at TBPN.com. See you tomorrow. Cheers. Goodbye.