TBPN - $1M Trading Cards Heist, Trevor Milton Returns, The Death Of Common Courtesy | Diet TBPN

Episode Date: October 21, 2026

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What is the top story today? Thievery at PSA. On October 13th, thieves broke into a FedEx truck outside of PSA's California headquarters. Wait, they were waiting outside of the headquarters. That's shooting fish in a barrel. That's crazy. I mean, that seems pretty smart. That is smart.

It's actually similar to money in the sense of like how dense. Yeah, go to the bank, go to the mint. They basically robbed the mint. So, yeah, these are trading cards, extremely valuable. A lot of them were stolen. To some people. To the market. To the market.

Some people find them extremely valuable. So PSA, of course, grades, trading cards, and a FedEx truck outside of the California headquarters was robbed, and the thieves stole nearly $1 million of graded trading cards that were being shipped back to customers. Here are the facts. FedEx truck was parked right outside PSA's grading center where they actually rate the cards for their quality in Santa Ana before it was broken into. The driver left the truck unattended for 60 to 90 minutes and returned to find the truck. Yeah. Okay.

This is kind of an own goal at this point. Now, inside job. Inside job. Okay. Maybe get the tinfoil hat out. Inside job. So the truck driver left the truck attended for 60 to 90 minutes and returned. Oh, no, they broke into my truck. The lock was broken. Three pallets were stolen from the truck full of already graded cards. Two pallets had around 100 packages each in them. And the third pallet had 50 packages, totaling 250 packages of cards stolen. The value of the first two pallets is estimated to be around $963,000. That's to some people.

To some people. Like Dylan, our president. He values it. trading cards. Potentially higher than this. PSA is still figuring out the value of the third pilot. The one thing worked against the thieves is that every PSA graded card has a unique certification number and PSA has deactivated the certification numbers of the stolen cards. So if you go try to sell the cards, they'll say, oh, that particular skew has been stolen. They would say this card is worthless. Yeah, basically. It probably won't stop the thieves from selling them on black markets. Who's buying black market trading cards? For the collectors that were affected, PSA says it's figuring out compensation based on the fair market value of the cards,

but the payout is capped at the insurance limits the collectors chose at checkout. Some of the effectors, oh, whoa. So if you sent your cars into PSA, you got the insurance? I feel like- PSA's got to eat this one. Yeah, this happened like at the PSA headquarters. No, no, it wasn't their driver. It was the FedEx driver.

I know, but you used a service. Okay. It was completely incompetent. So you think PSA is on the hub? I think PSA should take it up with FedEx. Well, yeah, you would think that PSA's insurance. It's like, oh, you didn't check the box with the extra insurance. A lot of that stuff is a lot of those like check the box for insurance things are basically scams.

It seems like they designed this properly. I know, but they should insure their job is to ship valuable trading cards. Yeah. Valuable around the world. In quotes. Every shipment should be fully insured. What are we doing here? What is this?

Okay, this is a one-piece character. It's from anime. That was valued at $500,000. In quotes. Some people are paying $500,000 for a one-piece trading card. Not Jordan. Where's this Tortuga? The FedEx Heist is bigger than we think.

Just one card in the truck is valued at $500,000. You can see it here. Let me know, Jordi. How much would you pay for this card? I just added it to the timeline. This is from 1999. It's a Zorro. First stage.

I want the fair market value from not PSA, but JLH. What you got? How much are you paying for this? Like, where do you even start? You start with a number. A dollar sign and then a number. I would rather have $1 than this trading card. Okay, so $0.99 in your buyer?

I don't even care that I could go and sell it for $500. I'd lean on the dollar. You're out of it? Okay. You have respect for the dollar. Anyway. Daryne Rovell... I'm so fascinated, so fascinated by the hobby. Yeah. I do not understand it. If these cards are so valuable, why aren't you using Brinks?

Oh, yeah. That's a good point. You're going to trust FedEx? They should be using Brinks. That's actually a good take. In other interesting news, former Nikola CEO, Trevor Milton, is starting a private jet company. He was pardoned by Donald Trump last year after being convicted of fraud. Preston Hall and the private jet guy has a take here. He says, tonight's cyberjet will unveil their new light jet model, the SJ36, supposed to do New York to Los Angeles nonstop in a light jet faster than any competitor.

The CEO is Trevor Milton, formerly of Nicola, the electric truck startup. I'll be there tonight and he will make sure to get picks. Now, I was very confused about this because I was. As you should be. I was like, okay, he was pardoned a year ago. Even if he wasn't, even if the fraud allegations and conviction and over or pardon didn't happen. He's got a clean record. It just takes a decade to start a plane company, often two decades.

It takes forever to get FAA approval. Good news, John. Yes. Because Cyberjet has been a while. I believe has been FAA certified for quite a long time. Yes. The history is fascinating. So he basically bought the remains of a private jet program that had already consumed more than $700 million in development spending, and that company had achieved FAA certification.

So Ed Sweringen invents the airplane, this particular airplane, the cyber jet, between 1986 and 1991. He was an experienced aviation engineer behind the Merlin and Metro Turbo props. and his thesis was the same thesis that Trevor Milton is pitching today. An extremely fast private jet, small, initially called the SA30, with Gulfstream providing early backing. Engineers stretch the fuselage, redesign components, and spend years trying to certify the- Look at the lasers, John.

It's very- If you were worried about buying a plane from Trevor Milton, don't be, because the lasers are out of this world. This is actually a very cool design. How are they doing those lasers in front of the plane? The background looks like a LED wall of some sort, but what's going on in front? Do they have like LED wires throughout the crowd? Circus mode.

This is a circus. Yeah, this is akin to the Tesla Roadster launch. Very, very entertaining. So by 2008, cumulative spending reportedly exceeded $700 million. And the jet achieved FAA certification in October of 2005. So the first customer airplane was delivered in 2007. Dubai investors acquired a controlling interest in 2008, renaming the company Emmy Vest Aerospace, but production never scaled. They only built about 10 aircraft across the program.

Production ceased in 2009, and Emmy Vest filed for bankruptcy in 2010. Metalcraft had manufacturing expertise, tooling, and the aircraft's type certificate, but struggled to restart production despite years of promised upgrades. an updated SJ30I test aircraft flew, but large-scale commercial deliveries still didn't materialize. Then an investor group led by Milton acquired cyberjet in 2024, which feels pre-pardon. I don't remember when the part. Didn't the pardon happen in 2025? So he was out there doing this deal before.

That's pretty crazy. And his role as CEO became public in 2025. So he began promoting the company as a broader air. aerospace platform with the SJ34, SJ36, in-house avionics, which is sort of a wild bet. Yeah, this is the crazy thing. Yeah. This is the craziest thing to me. That he wants to do the Aeonics.

So you could just go and say like, hey, we have this plane that's already FAA certified, and we're going to make him and we're going to sell them. Yeah. But instead, he's going for this sort of like autonomous vision. Yep. He's not going to use a Garmin cockpit or a Honeywell cockpit. Yep. He's like, I got to do it myself.

And I could understand this a bit more if the whole angle was like we're not here to reinvent the wheel. We're just going to make and sell a plane. But with the differentiating, why would anyone buy this? Well, I don't. So the thing is like, if you were going to buy an aircraft and you're going through that process, these are some of the most educated, discerning buyers, right? It is a massive purchase. Your life is dependent on the quality.

liability, all these things. And I would go out on a limb and say that every single person that is in the market to buy a mid-sized jet like this will do a little research on the company. They might do a little research on the CEO and realize that you probably, you probably, you probably, yes, technically. He's due for a major comeback. Yeah, but, but the comeback could have been, And like, yeah, we're going to use the technology that every other plane relies on. Yeah. And the specs are pretty solid. Like the performance seems good.

Yeah. It doesn't seem obvious that you need to reinvent the cockpit. And while you're just trying to prove that anyone should fly in a vehicle that you create, right? You're famous for creating a vehicle that you've rolled downhill. So what would be the strategy to sell the first unit? Just go really cheap, like low margin? I don't know. I just don't see it as a selling point of like we're reinventing the cockpit. Yeah. Also, I wonder like how the autonomous features can actually benchmark. Is the idea that at 14 million you can buy this and fly it yourself, but then use the autopilot to go take a nap in the back or something?

I don't think buyers in this category are even that worried about like, like, like, oh, I want to have one pilot versus two. Like, it's just not that material. It's not that material of a cost when you think about flying over the course of a year and doing hundreds of hours in the air. Yeah. And so I just think it's like a pretty rough. I think it's a rough, rough, rough pitch.

And I just, again, I don't see why you would buy this product unless it was the only product in the category. Yeah. At the same time, I do like the idea of buying something that's already been certified, something that has a lot of- Ladd makes a good point. He is post-fall. I sell you to this plane?

I think the pitch is that it's already been certified so all the safety concerns doesn't have a real engine. They have a partnership with Williams. It's a Williams engine. It's going to be FAA certified. And so you're basically, the reason you buy right now is because it's going to be a good value because they have to get some planes delivered. Yeah, Dan is making my point. He says the quote, cost conscious private jet flyer. You'd be surprised. You'd be surprised. I don't know. I saw

T-Pain buying a 2004 Gulfstream and saying it's the exact same plane as the brand new one. It's 90% cheaper and the only difference is the USB ports or USBA instead of USBC. It's like it's the same thing. A lot of people don't care because like the safety is the safety standard and that's not really where progression happens. The progression happens on like slight comfort detail, slight, like how quiet it is, maybe the Wi-Fi. You can see what they're advertising, heated and cooled seats. Like, that's so minor. I don't know. Look, I'll tell you the most, one of the most bearish parts of this. What is that I think if this had potential, and if, and if Trevor wasn't all had, no cattle, Andresen would be backing up the truck, right? They did Adam Newman.

Oh, true. Right? These sort of like post-fall founders that that were, they all have their flaws, but in many ways, like their strengths are so overpowering. Yeah. And I just don't see, I just can't see Andresen getting involved here for a bunch of reasons. I don't know. If you see these flying around, my total victory for him, certainly, you know, people love a comeback story. I do wonder what will happen. I think the company's up a creek without a paddle. Okay. I think this is just a boring jet sales business. He's got to actually make them and sell them, but the plane's already approved. It's a zero. It's a zero. Okay. We'll see. We'll see.

I think the demand is really high for private aviation. And I think that, it's not that unreasonable to revive another architecture, even if it's a little outdated, sell it at a reasonable price, while there's increased demand for the other planes that are going to be trading above market. I don't know. It's for adrenaline junkies. That's the pitch. Robert has a pitch. Okay, I like it. Private aviation for adrenaline junkies. Yeah. The thrill of not having decades of operational excellence.

Yeah. And reliability. Very rough. Well, in the skies. Andy Kessler went off in the Wall Street Journal opinion pages over commercial air travel. We'll see what you agree or disagree with. He says, have some manners, people. We're too deep in the era of me, me, me to care about common decency and courtesy.

Is politeness dead before takeoff on a recent flight? The woman next to me spoke with gusto on several phones. calls. Annoying, though common. But then in the air for the next two hours, she loudly dictated text messages into her phone, including, can we split it into four lots question mark? And don't forget to buy organic blueberries, exclamation point. I put on noise canceling earbuds. Didn't help. Then music. Still heard her. My normally potent stink eye glares failed. Then I cranked Metallica's the unforgivven to 11. I could still hear her. Argue. I often encounter the expression polite society. I'm still searching. Yes, I should have said something, but I was seething so much.

It would have included many of George Carlin's seven words you can't say on television. And why should it be on me? I was taught to be polite, worry about others, hold doors, give up subway seats. I can't remember the last time someone held a door for me. Plain etiquette is long gone. But Dictating out loud when she could hear, when she could type as an irritating loophole, dictating is on par with eating a smelly enchilada with a stench that lingers until somewhere over Nebraska. Sadly, airplanes are the new Greyhound buses with apologies to Greyhound. People are often underdressed, unbathed, and overserved. And anyone who gave permission to go barefoot once the plane takes off?

And who gave anyone permission to go barefoot once the plane takes off? With Starlink Wi-Fi and artificial intelligence needing instructions, is the endgame talking versus non-talking sections on planes, like quiet cars on trains? How about common decency instead? What do you think? You want a quiet section on the plane? Like a train?

One of my recent public flights, a guy was just watching, like, scrolling. reels that was me. I was next to you. I was watching Nitro Circus Reels. You were over here. Okay. But this other guy was to my left. And he was just scrolling reels. Was it a good feed? Full volume. If it's a good feed. I wasn't paying that much attention. I like a little spy scroll. I like a little secondhand scroll. Take a take a trip down someone else's algorithm. The experience, like, part of this is like the experience of being jammed with with hundreds of people you don't know in a little tube. Yeah. And then spending hours and hour. Yeah, exactly.

And then spending, it's already so bad that when these other little things happen, it's like, you know, how much worse could it be? Well, absolutely going off. Good news, John. I love it. A lot of these people that he's referencing, they have no manners. Yeah. They love reading the Wall Street Journal opinion section. For sure.

They'll be reading this article. You're going to read this article. And they'll be reflecting. Yeah. They'll be making changes in their lives. Like, it's very possible that the next flight that woman's on where she's dictating into her and taking calls. In between dictations, she flips open, she reads this article, and she never does it again.

Yeah. I think we should make a physical button of the beep button like this. Yeah. Instead of this, it's just the beep. Someone says something you don't like, you can beep it out. I think that's the way. That's the way. Well, staying in the world of aviation, United CEO says it should cost more not to sit in the middle seat.

Scott Kirby of United Airlines said it's a, it's a, it's a case. expensive to fly airplanes and that airfares may have to rise further. So you get a discount. So this guy waits for Delta to get an insane Wi-Fi crisis and just immediately is like, yep, we're raising prices. We're raising prices. Yeah. For a long time, I said our goal is to be the best airline in the history of aviation. I think we become the best, not of everything, but in totality, I think we're the best. He took over United during the COVID-19 pandemic, the worst crisis. the airline had based since 9-11. Things have largely turned around for the industry since then,

and United's stock has risen more than 300% during Kirby's tenure. Pretty good. Well, things may be looking up for United. For many travelers, flying is miserable, delays, lost luggage, chaotic boarding processes, and cramped seats. People talking dictating next to you, as we heard from Andy Kessler. It's United's job and his to take the stress away, Mr. Kirby said.

as a father of seven children. Whoa. Gong worthy moment. Mr. Kirby often looks at air travel through a parent's eyes, investing in better Wi-Fi, having more movies and TV shows available, and developing a user-friendly app, he said, all help

reduce the stress of traveling, especially with children. Tyler, give me your airline movie tier list. You said that you have strong opinions about what movies are available on different airlines. Is that correct? Well, so, I mean, a lot of them don't have screens at all. Okay. So I think honestly, like, I prefer the screen on the seat. You do. It's a better

experience. Okay. It's more like plain like. It just feels like you're on. Otherwise, I'm just like watching movie on my phone. Okay. You liked the screen in the back. So that already puts a lot of them kind of at the bottom. I think Southwest rarely has screens. I feel like JetBlue was early to the TV and the headrest. Sure. Yeah. How? Yeah, I completely forgot that we used to live in a world where there would just be the TV, like, for a section. Oh, at the high, yeah. And everyone watches the same thing. Yeah.

Yeah, real sense of community. We don't know how to do that anymore. That was great. Yeah, and you'd look over, again, this was the era where, you know, people had manners, too. And you'd look over to the stranger to the left and the right. And you'd be like, crazy movie, right? Oh, yeah. We're watching the fugitive or something.

I never experienced that. There was one screen for the entire. How? No, there would be, like, in the, in the back of the plane where I always, what? There might have been like four screens. So you could think of like... So they'd be mounted into the ceiling. Yeah.

You ever fly on a plane like this? You probably did. Never? Wow. I don't remember. Silver spoon. Okay, but so for me. Wait, wait, wait, really quickly.

Consolation prize, where they have the little grabber that holds your phone. How much of a consolation prize is that for you? You know what I'm talking about, right? Yes. There's no screen, but there's a hook that you can mount your phone into? I mean, yeah, obviously it's better than nothing, but it's still, I think I like the screen. Although the screen, sometimes bad because it's hard to connect your headphones, but okay, so for actual movie selection, I think Delta is clearly S-tier. They're far and away

the best. They have a bunch of like kind of art house criterion movies on there. They have a good selection. Name one art house movie. Let's see. They have a lot of like old, they have some Ingmar-Bringman movies on there. But name one movie. Seven Seal. I believe that was on a... That was good. Good test. Good test. Many people would have been. And then I would go, I think United is behind. Yeah, probably B tier.

But they got Starling now so you can watch anything. That's true. And then after that, it's kind of just toss up, I don't know. Do you think Delta flight attendants should be able to order passengers to close window shades on daytime flights? It's too bright in here for everyone. Even though you paid for the window seat, you probably paid extra. you don't get to the side.

Absolutely not. So if you sit in the window seat, you're the master. That's like the final freedom that you have on a plane, right? All your freedoms are taken away. But if you have the window seat, you've got a little bit of power left. But what if the person next to you is trying to? And you should be just, right? You shouldn't, you should be, I think you should have manners.

Oh, so you say it's a responsibility. So you need to communicate with a person next year. I think it's more like if you're, you should plan your, like, you're, you should be planning how much light you're letting in, based on like time zones. How much, how much, how much, uh, how much research should you do on your, on your seatmate before you sit down? Like, because you could sit down and have a whole conversation about, you know, what's your level of sleepiness?

What's your level of interest in my personal Instagram real feed? Maybe they would delight you to watch me scroll reels. Maybe you want me to put on a movie because sometimes people would put on a movie and it's too salacious next to you. And even though they're on their phone or they're on their screen, I'm like, nah, I don't want that there. I don't like that. But sometimes people pick a really good movie, not just a good movie that I want to watch,

but a good movie that I want to glance at every once in a while. Like if somebody's putting on the dark night, I'm like, I'm definitely going to, you know, glance over there. Yeah, it's like an extended trailer. Exactly. You might hold it up yourself. So I think if you're being really, really courteous, you should have a whole discussion with your seatmate and say, hey, look, I got the window seat.

Yeah. But we need to have a negotiation here. We need to have a discussion about what are you trying to accomplish on this flight? Are you trying to sit? Are you trying to just enjoy the light? Maybe you're low on vitamin D. Maybe you're trying to sleep. Let's have a discussion.

Let's see what makes sense for everyone here. Yeah. Yeah. I would almost certainly take it a step farther. Yeah. And maybe pick out whatever your section is. Maybe there's 10 or so people in your vicinity go actually be, once everybody's boarded. Convene a little conference.

Yeah. But actually just go take notes on everyone's individual preferences when they're planning on napping, things like that, and then figure out the right schedule and then actually take it upon yourself to just say, I will be the window operator for this flight. And maybe you could get one of like some kind of like, you know, those like marshmallow roaster sticks. If you could have something like that and you could go and, you know, use it to open and close the windows on the schedule that is a sort of predetermined. You're saying that like commercial aviation has basically become lord of the fly. So you need to like embrace.

You need to become a leader. You need to become a leader. What are you saying? I was going to say, the window should always be open. And if you want to sleep, if you want to sleep, it's on you to bring an eye mask to like Oh, okay. I think it should basically be a little rugged individual. Maybe not at night or it doesn't matter.

You got to bring your own eye mask. Should the plane deliver free eye masks? I feel like they give headphones out. You can bring your own eye masks. They have eye masks in first class, but if you're in coach, they don't, they don't have any options, right? We've gone down this path a little bit when we get seated separately on a flight and then we started negotiation to try to do some trades. And we've initiated some pretty complex trades. It doesn't always work out, right?

What was the most complex trade we initiated? Sometimes you're like, you're going to move here because you're in a, you want to be, you don't want to be in a middle seat. Yeah. But we have a middle seat, but we have this other person who's willing to take a middle seat. Yeah, yeah, it should all be just open auction There should be a, everyone should board the plane And one at the time all the seats get auctioned off live With an auctioneer going, do I have $20 for a long leg room,

$20, $20 for a long leg room, $21 for Xero? $1, $2, $2.2? The auctioneer, that would really, that would really Up to that level of energy on a commercial flight, I think. I got peanuts. It makes so much more sense. You need peanuts. It's $5 for peanuts, penis, $5.

I mask, $6.6. I'm asking. The stakes on JetBlue. You definitely will sell those. Mercedes has announced the 2028 AMG GT-63 SUV. It's an 110053 horsepower electric powerhouse, and we're getting a review from Jordi. What are you thinking? That's my review.

That's all I got. You like a Mercedes SUV. You like a G-G-E-Rex-B. Yeah, I do. I actually think it looks fine. This is from the same company. I think it looks fine. Would I buy it? No. Why not? Would I recommend a friend or family member buy it? No. Zero 60 in 2.4 seconds. No, the rear end actually looks pretty okay. The rear end, it reminds me of the Ferrari luchang. Those circular, multiple circular taillights like that with that rim there. Something about that looks luce to me. But I don't know. These super SUVs, especially in the electric configuration, are just odd to me.

I think it's going to be a tough market with the depreciation and all this stuff. Yeah, this is going to absolutely bomb. You think so? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You think this is something that they started working on like five years ago? Yeah, almost certainly.

Yeah. No, it's going to be rough out there. It's going to be rough out there. It's one of those things where it's like an impressive piece of technology. Yeah. But this buyer is buying this kind of car as a daily. Yeah. And I just don't think it can stand up against other products in the class.

You know, I would think that electric would do better in an SUV package like this than in a sports car. Like the Porsche CEO was discussing the taking the Cayman platform entirely electric. And are you more optimistic about this or the electric Kamen? I thought they canceled the Kamen. He was talking about it. He was talking about electric sports car. Like two-seater small electric sports car or five-seater big electric SUV. Which one of those are you taking?

electric SUVs make sense but this car cannot drive itself yeah and it's just going to get destroyed but assume neither of them can drive themselves which yeah so obviously the cayman it just becomes like a street legal go-cart oh you think can i think that there's there's going to be some there's going to be some buyer there yeah i wonder i wonder with the SUV a lot of people still think yes it has 400 miles of range but maybe i want to take it to the snow maybe i want to take it to somewhere where it's cold and the battery won't warm up, or there won't be a great, there won't be a great electric charging network. Not that this is an off-road SUV, but I think the SUV buyer, they still have in the back of their mind, like, yeah, maybe I will take this to Joshua Tree and be,

you know, off the grid for a day, and I want that flexibility, even if this is just an everyday suburban get-around daily driver, comfy car. And it feels like electric might be harder in the SUV segment. At the same time, someone who's buying like a small sports car, they seem so much more inclined to want to hear the sound of an engine. But I don't know. We'll see. We'll have to see if we see these on the road. Do you think you'll see more of these on the road or the BNBW XM? Probably more of these, but the XM has been a massive flop. Yeah, but you said this might be a massive flop. So which one? Yeah, but this isn't, this is going to be, I think, quite a bit less expensive. Oh, really? Yeah. If it comes in at 130, that's more, that's more doable. But if it's up at like

220 and it's going up against Uris and the new McLaren SUV could have a hard time. But you don't know. You don't know. We'll see. We'll see. We have to watch the best interview in pro sports right now. I wonder about 34 saves in your night,

just how you felt and what you saw as you looked out from your crease. Yes. I felt nothing. The problem with me is that I have a lot of fun playing, but when I start having too much fun, it makes me into, from an unconscious goalie to a conscious goalie, and my conscious brain is really bad at playing goalie. So I have to, like, let my unconscious brain do the work

because it reacts a lot quicker. When I'm having too much fun and I'm smiling and I'm talking to everybody and I'm hanging out, what happens is that shifts me into more conscious brain goalie. And then I can't react in time, and then I'm slow. I'm behind the play. And then I give up seven goals, you know? But today it was just unconscious. Like, don't think about anything. You know, If you ask me how I may save my bag, I have no idea. Just my unconscious brain does it. And that's what you work and practice for, you know? Well, you felt nothing during the game, but I wonder what you felt like after,

when you're doing the three stars and you hear the crowd. When the buzzer went, that's when it's like, okay, now you can let it all go. So you get a huge rush of, like, dopamine and sartone and adrenaline and just, like, goosebumps. It's the best feeling in the world. It's, like, the biggest reason why I love to play. And, yeah, then you can just let it all out. Now I can smile and enjoy myself. But yeah, like TV timeouts in between periods.

I'm like, don't smile, don't talk to anyone. Just focus on your game, let your unconscious brain do it. And it was great. It worked. It worked. Congrats on everything and feel all of it. And I also got pretty lucky, too. Like three posts, you know, no goals off my own team.

So that's, you know, hopefully that luck continues that I can continue to make safe. Keep it roll. I love this guy. Why? Oh, he's just like, this is incredibly fun to listen to. I realize I've gone through that same experience. experience, not always, but sometimes I'll surf a wave and I get to the end and I have, no, I can't remember anything that happened. But in the moment, I was like incredibly, like I was incredibly

present. Yeah. But I had no, I'll have no memory of like what I actually did. And I feel like think like actually really hard. Yeah. What actually happened there. I think it's a better, yeah, it's a good sports like post game interview because it's not just like, oh, like thanks to the team, we all did everything we could. We worked hard and it paid off. It's more real. It was like a very real, very unique. It cuts through the noise. It's a normal interview. So I understand it now. I saw that on the timeline, but I didn't actually watch it. So I get it

now. Right joke. Tell joke. Get check. Very simple. A simple process. I love it. That's a great philosophy. Well, that's a fantastic place to end it. Thank you so much. Well, thank you, gentlemen. I appreciate it. Thanks, you guys. Thank you. We'll close out the show with you. Thank you very much. stars and Apple Podcasts on Spotify. We'll see you

tomorrow at 11 a.m. Pacific. It makes all the lights in the studio go very bright.