TBPN - AGI in 2035, SoftBank Sells Nvidia, Buffett Goes Quiet | Diet TBPN

Episode Date: November 12, 2025

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Everyone has 10-year AGI timelines right now. It started when Sam Altman put out that post, like, Super Intelligence is just a few thousand days away. And at the time, it was kind of odd because, like, when he wrote that post last year, everyone was like, AGI is one year away. AGI is two years away. He was like fast takeoff time.

Like, everyone was very excited. And then he came out and was like, it's a few thousand days away. And so Sam came out and, you know, and he was kind of in his blog post of the super intelligence age talking about, you know, maybe we're a decade away. Then Andre Carpathie goes on Dwar Keshe just a couple months ago, a couple weeks ago, says AGI is a decade away. And then Dwar Keshe posts this probability density of when AGI will be achieved.

There's a chance that America does it. There's a chance that China does it. And the median, the 50th percentile was exactly 2035. And you know that chart, that like very schizo chart that says periods when to make money? Have you seen this photograph on X? and it's like, it was created, like, I guess about 100 years ago. People references it any time it, like, actually aligns to events, because it basically has years in which panics have occurred,

years of good times, high prices, and time to sell stocks, and years of hard times, low prices, and a good time to buy stocks. And so it's basically like astrology for stock picking, right? And what is it saying right now? 2035 is a year, they're predicting, is when a panic will occur. Oh, interesting. Well, that certainly aligns in all these AGI timelines. There you go.

And then I was looking at Meter, and this one will have to debate a lot more. But meter has been tracking AI's ability to complete long tasks. And it's growing exponentially. It used to be like six seconds. Now it's like two hours. And when you talk to anyone who's in the AI field, they'll tell you that the agents are getting more and more capable of handling longer time horizon tasks. The question is, I feel like humans don't have a time horizon. I feel like humans, they're just born and the goal is like survive, be fruitful, multiply, right?

Yeah. And so I feel like if you're tracking the meter data, you need to get out to like 30 years, like a full career, right? Like the prompt needs to be like, go make money. And then it just goes and becomes a lawyer and lives its full life and retires after 35 year run. Of course, when you track out the doublings, one, in 2035, the meter is projecting based on that log curve, that, or that logs, that log graph, that AI will be able to have a time horizon in the, in the decades. My read on the meter data is that, you know, AGI 2035 again.

It's maybe the messiest, the least like definitive. But what's interesting is that it just feels like 10 years of this consensus right now. there's much less diversity of opinion. There aren't that many people saying two years anymore. There aren't that many people saying 50 years anymore. Everyone's kind of saying 10 years. And I just wonder, like, let's put aside like, let's try and accurately predict when this thing happens. And let's just analyze it from a psychological perspective. And like, what does it mean when the tech community all has a consensus of something that's a decade? Like a decade away could just be what people say when they don't know.

Like if you ask me when flying cars are going to happen, I'm going to say a decade. If you're going to say when quantum computing, oh, that'll be a decade. Oh, Mars, yeah, that's a decade. Most people overestimate what they can accomplish in one year and underestimate what they can do in 10 years. And in this situation, we're just like,

yeah, we're estimating that we can just achieve AI in 10 years. When I personally feel like about AGI, like I'm convinced by these. Like I feel like AGI is 10 years away. And I don't feel like I'm like coping or doing some sort of like mental logic jumps or something. It's just like if you actually forced me to put a prediction down, I probably would say about a decade. Then I go to, well, well, like how should I actually be changing my behavior? Like if something big is coming in a decade, it feels like you should actually, should not just be acting normally. It feels like there's some sort of preference falsification going on.

Like how many, everyone's saying a decade, how many people are actually acting like it's a decade? Like, what should you be doing in the intervening years? If it's a decade away, like, are you just supposed to like build technologies that are fun little dopamine rewards? Are you trying to like accumulate as much capital as possible before? Who plans around 10 years at all, right? People tend to go for things that they want today. Yeah. In some ways, right?

So somebody like, let's say they're in their 20s. Yeah. They're like, I want to own a home. Yeah. by the time by 2035. They want that thing today, but they might understand, okay, it's going to take some time to get there.

Yeah. But actually making real changes in your life for this like impending scenario that's hard to predict entirely. It's very, very difficult. And I don't know that, you know, it was maybe more popular earlier this year to joke about, you know,

uh, uh, what, you know, the golden retriever maxing, right? Oh yeah. We would talk about this, right? But it feels like that dialogue has kind of changed. Tyler, what do you think about my take?

What do you think, what do you agree with? What do you disagree with? I think it's definitely interesting that people seem to kind of align around this tenure thing. I think there's also some sort of bias, right? If you think AI is coming in three years, you're probably not just going to be like writing blogs. Maybe you're going to start a macro hedge fund. Maybe you're going to go work at one of the labs to really try to influence how it's going to happen

if it's going to happen super quick. So I think there's some sense of that. And if you really don't believe AGI is coming at all, then you're also probably not going to be writing blogs about AGI. You're just going to be doing your normal job or whatever. So I think there's some confirmation bias there. Tyler's probably the most AGI-Pilled person on the team. And so it's interesting that you kind of day-to-day acts like everyone else on the team.

Yeah. What's your biggest revealed preference? That's hard to say. Maybe just hanging out on the show. Yeah, just hanging out podcasting instead of going to university. He's just like, yeah, nothing matters. This clip of Alex Wang that's sort of going viral, people are dunking on it because he recommends the kids learn to vibe code.

And I just disagree with the haters. Like I think the haters are wrong on this one. And I was thinking about like, well, I have a kid. Like would I teach him to vibe code? And I was playing with Legos last night. I was assembling Legos. And from what I've done vibe coding and what I've done Lego's. I'm like, this is going to be very fun,

and this is going to be an activity that we do together. And I'm super, I'm like super in agreement that I think learning to vibe code is good. What do you think, Tom? I think, like, the point of view of, like, the people hating were that, like, oh, your 13-year-old should be, like, making B2B SaaS, which is, like, not, that's different than saying

this should be vibe coding. Because vibe coding is just like, it's like basically playing a video game where it's, like, making Minecraft mod or something. That seems totally fine. Yeah, some of the criticism, Some of the criticism was like, you should just be doing really hard things. You have to ask is like, okay, should 13-year-olds only be hand coding? Like, if you want to get them into maybe doing engineering work,

is it maybe doing it with a pen and? Like, what is the alternative? When I was 13, I was working on little iPhone apps. Yeah. And knowing the vibe coding tools that are available today, I would have been able to make way more progress. I would have had a lot more fun. it would have been like having an expert

like software engineer sitting next to me kind of like paraprogramming, right? Yeah, yeah. And so I'm on your side. I think people generally just don't like Alex because you've been wildly successful. He's basically the youngest, most successful person in the world.

With Alex Wang, it's like, yeah, he's rich and I have no idea what the thing I don't interact with it at all. Fun fact, so in fifth grade in the yearbook, they asked like what you want to be. Yeah. I put investor. investor in fifth grade? Yeah.

I didn't even really know what that meant. SoftBank's big profits jump this quarter came from opening eyes increased valuation. That soft bank lifted higher by buying shares from employees and selling them at a higher price. And so there is a question about, is this too circular? It's unclear if SoftBank was really the price setter on this deal,

but Just Dario is certainly... Just Dario is saying SoftBank books a capital gain on an investment it hasn't paid for and recorded in its assets. There's a scenario where you would do this if you were a company that invested in a fund. Yes. And it's called maybe some capital, but not all of it yet. And so you can show that there's a gain, even though you haven't paid, actually paid in the capital yet. Yes.

But I think the way in which SoftBank is doing this. It doesn't seem illegal, but I think it's non-traditional. Sophie over on X says SoftBank is selling. NVIDIA stake to fund companies whose main expense is buying from NVIDIA. The more important thing here is that this is not the first time Mossa has exited NVIDIA. He exited in 2019 before the run-up. He was then NVIDIA's largest shareholder, and he had a 5% stake in the company that he sold for $3.6 billion, and it would now be worth over $200 billion.

Are people mad about this? they think Nvidia is going to rip further? Selling your stake in Nvidia. Yeah, yeah. So basically, SoftBank is booking profits. Sure. Open AI profits. They are then selling Nvidia shares to fund the original investment in which they've already

booked the profits on. And the number one driving force behind Nvidia's growth is Open AI. Today we will get the SoftBank completely sold out of Nvidia, fear from Bears on mainstream media and Wall Street. Does anyone do objective research anymore? SoftBank initially bought its Nvidia stake through the Vision Fund in 2017, then exited completely in January 19. They missed it.

They lost patience, not the first time. Yeah, when did they buy this latest slug? That's the question. SoftBank sold 32 million shares of Nvidia in October, also sold part of its stake in T-Mobile for $9 billion. It's not the first time they've cashed out of the chipmaker. That's a funny way to put it. Despite the sales, SoftBank remains tied to Nvidia through its other ventures.

Yeah, that makes sense. Warren Buffett says he's going quiet, the world's most famous. investor warns against corporate greed as he prepares to hand over the reins of Berkshire Hathaway. The 95-year-old will step back from day-to-day responsibilities at Berkshire at the end of this year when he retires from his role as chief executive. Craig Abel, of course, is coming in. Investors have long seen Buffett often called the Oracle of Omaha as a corporate folk hero, interspersing guidance on his portfolio company's performance with life and business advice. He noted, for instance, that requirements for executive compensation disclosures

backfired as business chiefs engaged in a race to earn more than rivals. What often bothers very wealthy CEOs, they are human after all, is that other CEOs are getting even richer. Buffett said, envy and greed walk hand in hand. Buffett added that Berkshire should try to avoid future CEOs who are looking to retire at 65 or who want to become, look at me rich or initiate a dynasty. Look at me rich. Buffett has never been photographed doing a money. spread wearing Valenciaga, Rick Owens. Yeah, so he he took the pledge to give away, to give away his wealth. And so it's going to be a pretty big changing of the guard. There's that interesting stat that like if you go back 30 years ago when Buffett was 65, he was I don't think he was

close to the richest man in the world. He, he compounded a ton. He compounded a ton. in his third 30 year run, like from 65 to 95, he had a particularly good run that took him from pretty rich to one of the richest people in the world. It's very rare. We just don't see that many business executives or that many people broadly where that's like the highlight of the career is 65 to 95. Buffett has commissioned no plays, no poems, no symphonies, no operas, no ballets, funded no paintings or sculptures that will outlive him. endowed no theaters, choirs, orchestras, built no monuments, monasteries. Is this true at all? He's committed to giving away half of his wealth. So, like, some of the money is going to wind up with the opera, I imagine, just because it's

going to go out and get diffused amongst all the different charity efforts. It's not going to all go into one thing. Howard agrees with him on this. He says he's right. The greatness does not come about through accumulating great amounts of money, which is what he is known for. But beyond that, it's fortune cookie-level advice. It's not wrong, but that's about it.

His partner, Charlie Munger's contribution to architecture, was to fund factory-like college dorms in which a majority of the apartments don't have windows. Is that UCSB? Where is that? Have you been to that dorm? You made the donation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's some reference to it on the campus, but they abandoned the plans to build a windowless dorm.

It's so Soviet. It's extremely Soviet. I don't know why they wondered. I thought there were fake windows and they were like TVs essentially, but they would show like outdoor scenes. It should be a vertical TV windows that you can just put SORA on. Is it safe to take the other side of this and just say that like he was about to create the greatest lock-in of all time? I mean, what if he was basically saying like college students spend very little time in their actual dorms?

Yep. Because they're out and about in the world. They're studying the library. They're at events. They're really just using the dorm to sleep. Why don't we create common areas that have. windows, an outdoor area, but then you go in your pot. This is Eric Adams floated a similar idea to a munger calling for stripping legislation that promises each citizen, each city citizen window access this past March.

You don't need no window where you're sleeping. It should be dark, he said. The $2,000 dividend could come in lots of forms. Let's play the clip. You know, it could, the $2,000 dividend could come in lots of forms and lots of ways, George. You know, it could be just the tax decreases that we are seeing on the president's agenda. You know, no tax on overtime, no tax on social security, deductibility of auto loans. So, you know, those are substantial deductions that, you know, are being financed in the tax bill.

Tyler, do you feel like this delivers? How is that going to help the day trading community? Yeah, I was planning on doing rampant speculation with this $2,000. What am I going to do now? You're basically, you're basically fully, you've already committed the funds, right? Yeah. Yeah. I've already placed a ton of parlayes.

Yes. So, like, what am I supposed to do now? What am I supposed to do? I can't pay my parlay bill with a tax decrease on auto loans. Yeah, you're not looking for passive income. You're looking for massive income. Bro, I'm looking for massive income. They should put a button on the IRS website that allows you to either receive the $200

Stimmy check or if you press the button. You have a 50-50 chance of getting either $4,000 or zero. I really think a lot of people would press that button. Two of the world's biggest data center developers have projects in NVIDIA's hometown that may sit empty for years because the local utility isn't ready to supply electricity. 48 megawatts. What are we doing? That's child's part. The Data Center for Ants. Calm down people, Mossa's son is a male. Kathy Wood.

Him selling Nvidia today means Nvidia has plenty of upside left. It is. It is. I mean, it just comes down to he will take, he's selling Nvidia, he's going to give that money to Open AI, and then Open AI is going to give it to Nvidia. Yeah. Sold.

Jan Lacoon says, see ya. He's out. He's out. He's out from meta. He's going to launch his own startup. Tyler, what's your reaction? I mean, this is pretty big news. I think people have kind of expected this for a while.

Yeah. Basically since Alexander Wayne came in, because Alexander Wang kind of, in some sense, like, took over as, like, the chief AI person at meta, which was... Not enough room in this town for two AI... Not enough room for... Chief scientists. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Not enough room in this town for two chief AI scientists. Yeah. And so, Jan is, like, very goaded AI researcher. He's been in the game for, like, super long. Today, he's, like, very much seen as being bearish on LOMs. Sure. He doesn't think they can reason. He doesn't think they can, like, do novel tasks or whatever.

whatever. So he's been like very outspoken about that. I think that's maybe part of the reason why he's, he just has kind of a different vision from, from Zuck and Alexander Wang. I've read exactly what it's called, but he has like another kind of path that he sees to AGI. He's, he's still a professor at NYU, which I think is where he does most of his research these days. So I think he'll probably just stay in academia. Does he have any active classes going on this semester? Because if he does, we should send you onto the campus. to study. Do we have an update from Brian Johnson? He came back from his trip. He was on psychedelics. I feel like I'm expecting him to fall in love with at least one fast food restaurant. I want him to

flip around on at least one and say, okay, yeah, I'm an in and out guy now. He's been, he's been quiet. I do wonder if he'll update on anything or if he's just like, so, so powered through that it just will not affect him at all. He was like, he was kind of framing it as like, I'm, this is like a big deal. It seems like he got through it just super fine. It's a very viral post of somebody saying, I don't think it's a good thing that billionaires can talk about

taking Schedule I drugs publicly with no repercussions. It did seem that he was doing, like this seems like still such a gray area where you can get it prescribed by a doctor, but it's still, it's still, Schedule 1. He posted an update on his experience. He also talked about more about why. He says there's potential, it's potentially a longevity therapy for psilocybin expands lifespan and mice. It can reduce inflation markers tied to aging. It can increase brain entropy, breaks rigid patterns, and boosts long-term cognition and flexibility.

Yeah, I don't know. I kind of agree with that person who is saying, like, they shouldn't be able to talk about it publicly. I feel like he should have a disclaimer or something because there's going to be, there's people, he's such a huge audience, that there's going to be some people that just look at what it's doing, and just run straight into five.

In the early podcast era, you had Tim Ferriss, who, to his credit, was like, doing work on himself and would share what he was doing. But he would talk about doing things like Ibogaine, which is like a great, you know, super powerful psychedelic. And he wasn't directly saying, hey, I think you should go take this. But when hundreds of thousands of people like follow Tim for health advice, it sort of as like an indirect, it's somewhat of an endorsement even if it's not directly.

So. No, no. I mean, I 100% think some people will see this and be like, oh, looks like he had a good experience. Let me jump straight to exactly his protocol, which is clearly not accessible for the average person. Like he has been building up a tolerance to this particular chemical for probably a decade. And so it's going to hit him very differently than it will, someone who's not in the same place. we were joking yesterday about like, oh, if he wanted to like really challenge himself, he would have been at like a crowded concert or something. And there were going to be

people that see this post and wind up actually doing that and winding, wind up in a very, very rough spot. I did see some people responding and saying, I took a similar dose to this and basically ruined my year. I have joked in the past, it's like, are psychedelics going to fix your life or just doing the tasks that you've been avoiding? Is that going to make you feel relief? Yes. Is that going to make you feel better about your life? It's like that meme of like, the anime ninja. If you're tired, do it tired. If you're sober, do it sober. If you're sober, do it's sober. 2016, so almost 10 years ago, it says digital addiction is going to be one of the great mental health crises of our time. And Blade says, Unk had this thought and immediately was like,

how do I profit from this? The greatest to ever do it, DBH. Like if you're trying to like layer up like the the open AI is bad, like, case. Like, you don't start with, like, the product's too addictive. Like, I don't think that's the claim. The claim is, like, it uses too much water or it, like, it, like, one-shots people, or it does erotica or it's, like, AI slop. But very few people are saying, like, oh, yeah, people are on their phones too much, and it's because of open AI now.

People are on their phones too much, but it's because of Instagram, and it's because of, like, social media, actually not the AI chat ass. I think it's a little bit too early to say that. I don't think it's that. I don't think it's working that well. Certainly short form video. Have you ever been in like the gym or in a coffee shop and seen someone scrolling Sora? Like over in the shoulder?

I haven't seen it. I meant vertical video broadly. Totally, totally. Which is I guess, I guess like a good take here, which is like how do I profit from this? I got to make an AI version of it. That's probably like more of what they were thinking. In terms of actually profiting on like digital. addiction, it doesn't seem like it's going very well.

For, 4-0 seems to be extremely addictive so much so that- For a very small amount of people, like absolutely. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, and we don't know how many people. Yeah. And we hope you have a wonderful Veterans Day and we'll see tomorrow. See you more. Good-bye.

Cheers.