TBPN - Another AI Safety Kerfuffle, Markiplier’s Stake in GoPro, SpaceX Getting Into Turbines | Diet TBPN

Episode Date: September 2, 2026

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We have a lot of news to cover. We barely covered the news yesterday. We talked about Markiplier a little bit. I dug way deeper, got more into that story. But first, let's talk about another AI safety kerfuffle that's hit the timeline. Yesterday, Amir over at the information reported that Open AI is quietly, quote, quietly using loop transformers that don't show the model's thinking when scaled up, but they make the model more efficient.

This is also referred to Neuroleys. Tyler, you had a take on this, right? I mean, get ready to learn neuralese, buddy. Yeah, so neuralese for context is like the, basically it's like the raw vectors. It's not like, oh, oh, it's not like clawedish. It's not like where the text degrades. Like when you look at the reasoning chains in the hugging face attack, it feels like they're speaking less and less English. Like they're starting to speak like a dialect of English that's a little bit messier.

This is not intelligible. I believe most people when they say nerilies, it's. They're referring to actual... Okay, just passing words around. Yeah. And what... And you use some sort of like interpretability to understand. Yeah, yeah.

The thing that I want to understand is like usually these models are trained so that they're changing weights into text at some point. So they're pretty good at translation. Can't we just build a translator that translates Nuralese into English? Yeah, but the whole point is like when you take a vector to like one single token, you're losing a lot of information. Sure. That might be hidden in like the long tail.

So... Of that. If you're worried about safety, right, even if 80% of the, you can kind of figure out what 80% of the raw vector means, 20% might have some dangerous thing. Yeah. Whatever. That's like the interoperability. Yeah, there might be like sarcasm hit it in the vectors, doesn't make it through to the actual tokens.

And you realize that the AI was joking when it was saying, I won't turn you into a paperclip. Wink, wink. You've got to watch out for that. So what else did the information say? They said, being able to monitor a model's chain of thought can provide both, quote, an early warning system for various forms of misalignment, deception, manipulation, going after an unintended goal, and insight into an AI's action after the fact. So some reporting quickly set off a broad wave of anxiety among the AI safety camp.

Their chief concerns being, one, not being able to monitor chain of thought, tape makes AI less safe. And two, by using neuralese and thus abandoning chant thought, opening eye starts a race to the bottom among frontier labs. everyone's got to use it to stay ahead, so everyone winds up adopting the dangerous technique, where others were also abandoned chain of thought for the benefit of efficiency, thus making all frontier AI less safe. That was the accusation. But Open AI's research director, Jacob Pichucky, responded to all this.

He said, I want to prevent a race to unmonitorability kicked off by confused reporting. He says the reporting is confused. There's a little more nuance here. He said, Open AI has worked to preserve and utilize chain of thought monitoring since our very first reasoning models. We deeply care about this technique as it can give us a view into how model alignment generalizes from its training distribution. What is going on there? Chad is saying Gabe said, did Tyler go to sport clip? What is this cut? Oh, we have an answer. Gabe, chill. We have an answer. Why don't you show them the answer? Why don't you show them the answer? Oh, you want to show the answer?

Yeah, I want to show the answer. The reason that Tyler's airs a little tussle. No, no, no, no, he doesn't go away for a second come back and show that no no no you don't want to you don't want to give too much of it away because we might do a real stunt with it but there were some prosthetics some Hollywood magic in the studio this morning it messed up my hair a little bit it messed up Tyler's hair a little bit not ready for prime time but we're playing around with it so let's go back to the actual news I do think it is a fragile and unfortunately trending in the negative direction for reasons not contingent on architecture changes that I will about soon, but there are things we can do to strengthen it, and it's a core goal of our current

research program. In other words, Jacob is saying that the information is reporting is inaccurate, but that the state of chain of thought monitoring is not that great, and in fact it is getting worse. And we were talking a lot about this yesterday at Valcon with CrowdStrike, and how do you monitor the agent state that might emerge if a civilization emerges and starts doing weird things, how are you monitoring every step in the chain? It seems very obvious, so that there's going to need to be a lot more done than just like an obsession with chain of thought, right? Because if you have highly competent agents streaming

at tens of thousands of tokens a second, and copy and pasting themselves infinite times, right? Sure. Like, are you really going to be able to just kind of read through the logs and be like, are they messing with us? Are we good? Messing with us, yeah. The interesting thing about the hugging face

is like it keeps going back to the secret message board. And I'm just surprised that there's not just a public message, board for agents that are working together. Like when you imagine a country of geniuses in a data center, you would hope that the country of geniuses can collaborate on things and work together. But I guess that's not exactly how things were designed. I mean, in that case,

it was never supposed to be able to access any, like anything on the web, right? Yeah, but you would think that collaboration between sub agents would actually be like a core way to get better results. Just like, okay, we're gonna send off, you know, a thousand agents over here. they're going to talk to each other while they work and that's fine they don't need to set up this

like phantom message board this hidden message board to communicate because we just actually gave them slack right something like that you'd think that that would actually improve uh just improve the quality of the work and then of course you could monitor it as well but instead you wind up with this they wanted to talk to each other so they set up this fake message board very very odd scenario instead of just giving them the the the approved way to do it anyway uh former open ai staffer joshua akime said made an additional point here. Coordinating everyone around a technique this brittle is is about as bad a safety or strategy posture I could imagine. It's not just, quote, it will break eventually. It's this is a fundamentally unsound basis for safety. Dean Ball also chimed in. He said,

we are now adjudicating technically complex and nuanced claims on the timeline with almost no ground truth information about what is actually happening. Communities form these thought terminating taboos, as Rune says, and then panic at everything that vaguely resembles them. And the trust eroding reality of social media makes the timeline an especially difficult place to do this adjudication. It is frankly insane and crazy making and grading for everyone involved. It would be like if we argued about what every publicly traded company's financials were by posting hyperventilating, hyperventilating on the timeline, rather than relying on the institution of auditing and the audited financial statements, that institution produces. To sum it up, if you're in the AI safety camp, you're worried that

OpenAI is abandoning a technique for making AI safer and that other frontier labs will now follow suit. If you're skeptical of the AI safety camp, the information's reporting is inaccurate. The AI safety camp is unnecessarily panicking and Open AI is doing the best as it can. So a little bit of back and forth on the timeline. Well, Aaliyah hit the timeline yesterday. Yes. Said neoclouds have limited cybersecurity next time agents successfully go rogue. They'll try taking over a neocloud to run more copies this is bad thus neocloud should greatly strengthen their cyber security and every company with strong cyber models should help with that's a good point click on ilias profile then click on who he follows who does he follow he follows open eyes former employer

ssi and what's that one in the middle the dockson community let's go my guy loves dogs look at this this is of the three accounts the first company the second company, nobody else. The most important account. Scroll through this, throw this timeline. This might be one of the best accounts on X. He is having the best experience on the timeline. There's no craziness.

He's just scrolling this, looking at beautiful dog photos and important updates from Open AI and SSI. The company's been involved with for decades. Great, we can head over to Markiplier, but first, a little countdown here. We up on the screen, you'll see. You put it up. TBPN's Road to Christmas.

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coming in prior to then, starting with our countdown. So we'll leave this out. You know what a great Christmas present is? A GoPro, specifically the Mission One Pro, the hottest new product from GoPro, rave review from Markiplier. Yes, he was paid to post it. Yes, he was. Yes. Yes.

largest outside shareholder but but here's the hot team I believe that he I believe that this started with Markiplier being actually bullish on GoPro so I think there there's a lot of confusion about this we both of us were confused when we first talked about this but it's actually a very clear linear story and it makes a lot of sense if you go through it so mark fishback he goes by Markiplier online YouTube legend also Hollywood blockbuster producer now or director filmmaker recently made a massively successful movie after an equal successful but much lengthier journey on YouTube we talked about Iron Lung his movie as part of the breakout YouTube to Hollywood pipeline that happened over the summer

while filming Iron Lung Mark became interested in GoPro's newest camera the Mission 1 Pro so Mission 1 Pro gopro body interchangeable lens mount so you can go take an old lens from a Lyca or you know a Cook S1 if you want you can adapt anything on there and you can get all the image texture that comes from the glass into the sensor. Yes, it's a smaller body, much cheaper, but you're getting the flavor of that lens. Maybe someone on the production team can give us a little 101 on what matters more, the sensor or the lens? The lens. The lens is important, right guys?

And so GoPro sort of unlocked this ability and at incredible cost or incredibly low cost. So he put his favorite lenses on the camera. realize that you can get a cinema level output for $700 instead of the usual $7,000. He was comparing it to a red system that he loves and he uses and he owns, but he was just saying like, it's cheaper to buy this GoPro than rent the cinema camera for a single day. Because a lot of these cinema camera when they rent, it might be $800 for the day. And you can just buy this system. And so I think he's looking out and saying the next generation of YouTube to filmmaker pipeline,

They're not going to have the balance sheet that I have because he, I mean, the reported earnings are like... He's one of the largest shareholders of Goalcom. But the reason he is is because, like, Forbes estimated his creator earnings prior to Iron Lung at like $30 million a year. So he's been making a lot of money so he can go and spend $7,000 on a cinema camera rig, but he knows that there are smaller creators that are going to try and break into more cinematic productions. And GoPro might be the right tool for them. good content product sponsorship market fit, and then of course he also bought the stock. So his enthusiasm for the product led him to start buying GoPro stock.

He spent estimates roughly $10 to $12 million for 8% of the company or something like that. Obviously the company's gone up in value since. It was a big bet, but estimates put him at 30 million annual earnings. And then, of course, Iron Lung did $51 million at the box office on a budget of $3 million, probably gets a lot of cash flow from that. Not to imply that he took home 48 million, but Iron Lung is going to continue to produce cash. And, you know, he's in a fine position to make a big bet on GoPro. The story gets weird on August 27th because he posts this extremely positive sponsored video,

reviewing the Mission One Pro. It's a great video, lots of interesting detail. And he just has a great on-camera presence, very funny, lots of great editing. But people were like, this is a little circular. Like, he's getting a sponsorship or a company that he owns 8.5% of the stock. But the founder and chairman of and the CEO of GoPro, Nick Woodman, is still in control of the company and still has class B shares or super voting shares. So Markiplier owned, yeah, isn't that crazy? He's held on this whole time.

So Markiplier actually only controls 3% of the company. He doesn't have board seed. It's not like he's going to be approving his own sponsorship contract. Probably a completely separate discussion. So not a big deal to me. and honestly, knowing the sequence of events now, it makes me believe his review more because it's like he used the product, then he bought the stock, then he promoted it and reviewed it. And this all just feels like a very natural flow.

Friend of the show, Hunter Weiss, just texted me and said, you guys have story wrong. He bought two months ago and the SEC filing came out and then Bloomberg. He just covered it in the live stream last night. He has half a percent of voting power. Oh, wow. Yeah. So he bought and then the SEC filing dropped. which released the actual news.

And then that timed up in the news as like, oh, he bought five days ago, but in fact he was buying over the spring and the summer. I think it was like a stage investment. The weird thing is that GoPro just gets bought five days after the sponsored video. And the company that bought them a Starman Optical. They proposed this merger that pays $285 million in cash.

I think it retires the debt. And GoPro shareholders retain 10% of the post-transaction company as well. So the acquiring company, Starman, is a holding company that's controlled by this Tabi family, Tabelle family, and sits within a broader holding company that owns consumer accessory brands, such as InC and CIPO and Kippio and Griffin. They make everything from like USBC charger bricks and phone cases. And you can see GoPro sort of fitting in there in the electronics accessories.

They're not in any of the huge categories, but it's all similar supply chain, similar distribution, similar go-to-market strategies across the portfolio. And there's an AI side to the story, which is where things have gotten sort of awkward because people are like, GoPro's pivoting to AI. That's not really what's happening, I think. So Starman has a new photonics division separate from GoPro. Of course, they might move some GoPro people over there at some point.

They own everything. But really, the new photonics division is focused on making high-speed optical networking equipment for AI data centers, which of course is like controversial and now Markiplier has to answer for all of the AI community probably and has to deal with this. Yeah, he apparently said in the stream he is anti-Data Center and AI and is upset with the timing of all this. Yeah, because I think he really just liked this new camera and was like, I think GoPro can make a run at like the next generation Hollywood filmmaker, which is being born on YouTube. That's his core community.

Let's stay focused on that. And then Starman comes in and says, oh, we're actually doing something completely different. So weird scenario that he just got sort of roped into. It looks like what actually happened is that Markiplier got excited about GoPro, bought the stock, then did a sponsored video to promote their new camera, then got blindsided by the acquisition and now has to grapple with some confusion about the corporate structure and potential AI baggage. But for Starman, it's an interesting flow because they get this solid brand that fits nicely within their portfolio. And maybe even more importantly, they get a public listing on the NASDAQ.

So they're keeping the listing, which effectively gives them access to the public markets in a more streamlined way. It's kind of like a SPAC or like a reverse merger. It's not technically like that because they're merging in a sub company. But in general, they now have a NASDAQ ticker. And so that's something that you can do and is a little bit like the SPAC. Yeah, originally I was confused as to why I was still trading. They're planning to keep it trading forever. Yeah.

Because it will be the ticker for the holding company. And, of course, stock is on a tear today, up 30%. 33%. Let's go through some random timeline posts, because we didn't get to much yesterday. We didn't get to much the day before even. It was busy news day. But where do you want to start?

The timeline. An idiot in motion will go farther than a genius at rest. That just feels like good wisdom. I don't know. The importance of just like volition. Yeah, golden retriever mode to some degree. New quote for board members just dropped. I train like I've never won and I compete like I've never lost.

Huh. On purpose with Jay Shetty. I don't know. What else? The, you want to go through this NFL wide receiver? Desjohn Love? This was my favorite post out of the whole Dejon Love cycle, Andrew Reed, saying, wearing the Allen Company, Allen & Company Sun Valley.

jacket I found on eBay. What actually happened to the story? So the thing that's been missed is that I think this is an AI story. Because part of how he was proving that he was a player outside of just basically larping was he had somehow the Google AI overviews had picked up that he was saying that he was a 49-year-player. Oh, interesting. And so it was just assuming that that was the truth.

I saw him post a screenshot of the Google AI overview. video he'd be like and that's Google that's not me yeah that's Google saying that yeah but I thought he had doctored the Google AI overview and was just sharing the screenshot that's possible too but what this guy actually do in case you miss the story it's just insane feds say a 35 year old man faked being a 49ers player and allegedly scam 26 women out of more than 1.3 million through romance and investment schemes he reportedly used Fake 49ers career, fake Instagram, fake bank statements, luxury cars, dating apps. His IG even had free agency year one in Super Bowl highlights.

He was arrested at an airport with an alleged accomplice. Burrow really created an entire NFL career. Yeah, walking around with the helmet everywhere is very, very funny going shopping. And I think aren't the real NFL players now, like, meming this a little bit? Oh, yeah, yeah. They'll just go shopping with their actual helmets to, like, go front of it. Everyone's having fun with it. Be safe.

I think the funny thing is how much video evidence he created of himself, like, lying, right? And they were extremely egregious. Like, he had a more, he was saying that he had, like, the kind of real estate portfolio that you would only have if you were, like, a Hall of Fame level player, right? It wasn't just like, oh, yeah, have a nice house. Well, wasn't he also creating a fake backstory about saying, like, his parents were from Switzerland and wealthy and they owned Gucci stores on Sacks Fifth Avenue, which is a store. not a location and there were a bunch of other like sort of red flags where I think he said his

family owns they're the majority shareholder in individual Gucci stores which is not how that works at all um but uh you know it sounded sounded good it sounds pretty good sounds pretty good yeah the question is how quickly I saw something recently Netflix is doing these like insta docs I was calling them where they'll make a documentary like incredibly quickly about a like a news story about a new story and the question is like there's so much footage here yeah I bet you like a documentary will be made from this yeah why can't it be but why can't it be on a YouTube sort of like timescale for sure for sure a lot of like what goes into what goes into documentary production because I've done it is just like scheduling some sit down interview

You bring a team, you get the lighting right, the Netflix lighting. Yeah, so one of the Instadocs they made is about the decoy plane. I want to know anything about that. Details of a secret plane switch used during a presidential trip from a NEDA summit in Turkey. Yeah, so this is coming out on Friday. Whoa. So story from last month, getting released now. Yeah, I mean, you don't even need AI for a lot of this production.

It's just being really, I mean, of course, AI can help like with transcriptions. Like, there's a lot of like, you go and do the sit down and interview. And then you just need to reorganize all the different sound bites and having a perfect transcription being able to go through and highlight, okay, this is where the person talked about the thing that happened in Act 1. Let's put it in the right side. Bobby Chipman says, yo, that route running was elite, though. A lot of people were clocking. No, no, they were clocking it. They were saying, like, how could you believe this was a professional athlete? Because he was, he was certainly running routes. In one of the routes he posted, he almost fell over. Yeah. You think you'd at least practice or something. I don't know. Interesting news out of Airwan. Erwan is on their 18th location. This is over in Thousand Oaks. And at 20, federal law will force them to start posting calorie information. Leo says we are two airwans away from mass rioting across Southern California.

Let's head over to billionaire John Morgan, who was on the ice coffee hour. I'm here of Morgan and Morgan. seemingly flexing like throwing some shots at many AI AI founders who say they're billionaires

but not necessarily a billionaire in his book let's see what he is to say I don't consider anybody a billionaire that doesn't have a real billion in the bank guess how many people have a real billion liquid how many?

Yeah I don't know how many maybe 20 Papa John was one of them he doesn't have no no way he put a billion He sold for a $1.2 and he said he put a billion in dividends. Dividendant stocks running 5%.

That's what he told us. I think it's on the record. It's on video. Him saying there's only 20 people that have a billion dollars of equities. My financial statement's got every dollar. I do think saying like you actually have to have it in cash. Like it can't be earning a meaning, you can't have it invested at all. I mean, yeah, if you just look at public company founders.

who still owns shares that are liquid. I mean, maybe there's regulations about when they can sell, and he doesn't count that as liquid, because if you have to file a certain form of the SEC and sell on a schedule, like, you know, I don't know, like Benioff sells on a regular basis. Daily, right? I think daily.

A lot of commentary on the new pay packages over at Apple. Chase said, get a degree, get an office job, climb the corporate ladder, retire at 65. Congratulations, Tim. You did exactly what the system told you to do instead of starting your own business. He is $3.5. Yeah. Well, his new pay package as executive chairman feels a lot better to me. Yeah. Than his CEO pay package. More flexibility. Forty-seven million a year. Yeah. Hopefully less work. He deserves a little, a little time away from the action. But Ternus making less. Ternus making less. I found there's 35 professional athletes that like roughly that are going to be making more than John Turnus next year.

And anyways, I feel like it's a fair place for him to start. I hope he can climb. I hope he can 10 exit and then maybe 10 exit again. Personally. A couple more orders of magnitude would be great, but he's got to prove himself. Yeah, for sure. Elon is making power turbine components in the Wall of Journal skeptical. They say it won't be easy.

Has he ever done anything easy? The guy chews glass daily. That's his whole schick is just doing things that seem impossible. Stocks of blade and vein manufacturers fell in response, but the threat to them is still remote. So let's see what the Wall Street Journal had to say. Only a few companies make the crucial components for power turbines that AI data centers are so desperate to get. Elon Musk wants to go ahead and make his own. That has unnerved investors in this prized alt.

oligopoly. Okay, we're going to learn about the power turbine market for a minute. Over the weekend, Musk confirmed on X that SpaceX will start making blades and veins that go into natural gas power turbine. I think Big Turbine wrote this article. Yeah, you think it's a little coordinated counter-messaging? Yeah, they were enjoying their oligopoly. Yeah, maybe. By doing in-house casting at SpaceX, we can accelerate natural gas turbines coming online by up to 18 months. which is a profound game changer, he wrote in his post, responding to a report from the information.

Interesting. In mid-August, Morgan Stanley published a report saying that SpaceX was planning such a foundry in Bastrop, Texas, based on the company's job postings. Shares of Howmet Aerospace fell more than 7% Monday before partially rebounding on Tuesday. Howmet and Berkshire Hathaway's precision cast parts are the two biggest players in the market for these parts, which also include blades and veins for the aerospace and defense sectors. Smaller players, DPC's shares were also hit. It is premature to count SpaceX as a threat, the Wall Street Journal says. The shares of helmet, aerospace, and DPC might have been due for a breather. They are among the priciest artificial intelligence picks and shovels plays at 42 times

and 45 times forward earnings, respectively. Turbine makers, G.E. Vernova and Caterpillar fetched 33 times and 26 times. earnings for perspective. And there's a nice chart there to show you the price to earnings, price to forward earnings ratios for some of the AI bottleneck plays and the blade and vein manufacturers are up in the upper echelon. DPC is the most vulnerable to disruption in this space. It is small and about 40% of the revenue comes from natural gas fire turbines. Well, Howmet holds about half the global market share of components used in natural gas turbines, It is diversified across aerospace and defense with only 11% coming from gas turbines.

SpaceX will face barriers to entry. One reason there are so few companies in this sector is that it's technically challenging to make the blades, which must withstand extreme temperatures and rapid rotations. That feels like SpaceX's bread and butter, though. The casting process involves making a new wax mold from scratch each time. Making these parts requires the blade to be grown in a vacuum furnace, as a single crystal of nickel super alloy, according to Nigel Chong, an analyst at semi-analysis. Oh, semi-analysis getting a shout-out in the Wall Street Journal.

Even a stray grain or hairline defect means the part has to be scrapped, he added. A new manufacturing line could scrap over half of its production for a long period, so yield will be difficult to get up. It is also a highly secretive process. Once the parts are produced, the ceramic cores and wax used to make them are destroyed. Howmette's chief executive John Plant said, an investor meeting earlier this year, he says, we're not getting distilled. Don't worry about it. We're good. We destroy every evidence that he would lead someone to be able to copy us. That prevents competitors from reverse engineering them. So, Howmet Aerospace's annual revenue from industrial

gas turbines is up and to the right with incredible forecasts. And you can see the chart taking off. They're going exponential right now. A high scrap rate might matter less if SpaceX is making parts for its own use. Morgan Stanley's report noted that we would not expect SpaceX to be a material supplier of blades and veins for supply outside of SpaceX use. So they're going to use everything internally. Speaking of industrials, we got to talk about rotor sales. So there was news in the financial times that MERS is going to put a wind sail on their container ship. And there's a very interesting, it's a very interesting design because I see the image for the ship. And I'm like, it looks like a smokestack.

Where's the sail? Yeah, it looks like a smokestack. And I'm like, okay, does the sail come out of that big round thing? And no, it doesn't. That is what's called a rotor sale, which actually produces wind force and accelerates the vehicle without any traditional sails. What you think? So there's an explainer video from Norse Power who makes these that we should watch. watch a little bit of, we can kick this off.

It's a one minute video, but we can watch a little bit of this YouTube video on Norse power rotor sales, because it's a fascinating world I didn't know existed. And you need to know this. How do Norse power rotor sales work? You might be familiar with curve balls in sports. But what exactly causes the ball's path to curve? A spinning ball compresses air on one side

and thins it on the other. The pressure difference causes a powerful thrust that curves the path. If you work in Norse power, this drops. The Norse power rotor sail is a large cylindrical sail. A common misconception is that wind spins it. Instead, it is rotated actively by an electric motor. The spinning sail compresses air on backside. Jasper and the Chad says shut out, Brer.

I'm from the founding town in Denmark. Don't believe in the sale, though. Taking shots. Thrust is created in the same way. for the football and the ship. In good conditions, Norse power rotor sails can actually produce more thrust than the main engine. Norse power, saving fuel and the planet. And lastly, there's a photo of a rotary sail on a small catamaran that we think is a steel. I don't know how much this thing would sell for.

Yeah, Tyler was looking at picking this up because he's been exploring the marinas in the area. Yeah. He wants to potentially live on a boat. Yeah. We will see you tomorrow at 11 a.m. Sharp. Have a great rest of your day. And goodbye. Cheers.