TBPN - Astra Reactions, Jobs Print, Cybercab Launch | Diet TBPN

Episode Date: September 5, 2026

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Big news in the AI world, obviously. Astra, GPT6, launched yesterday. We went through the blog post briefly. It went up mid-show. A bunch of impressive benchmarks. We talked about Arc AGI. We moved the goalposts because Arc AGI V3 is now saturated, which is particularly crazy because of how detailed those games are when you play them.

The thing that stuck out to me, though, was watching the... the demos of people build 3D scenes in Blender using Astra. Clearly, a bunch of people got access to the model before and were able to fire off one prompt, maybe a few prompts. It feels like it's very, very capable to just fire a blender and do a full task and model a whole world. That said, Matt Schumer, who had a couple

of the most impressive examples. He has been talking about how the art of prompting is back. Oh, interesting. He has, he had a very specific process where you have like a manager agent and subagents. Yeah. And it's still not as simple as just like you can get a good output.

Yeah. Doing, you know, in one shot, but to get some of these really incredible outputs does take a little bit of refinement. Yeah. And I'm sure a lot of that information will propagate across the internet as it already has. I'd love to pull up some of the images. from or the videos from the launch from folks who are actually test driving GPT 6 Astra. First, Sharif said, GPD6 Astra recreated the Palace of Fine Arts in Blender.

This is my favorite building in San Francisco because it was built for the World's Fair in 1914. Oh, I didn't know that. Where the steam locomotive and telephone were showed off. Wow, it was a time when technology gave us all a deep sense of optimism for the future. I feel like some of that sense has been lost since, certainly. But I hope models like Astra can help restore it and push us towards a more hopeful future. So if we can play that actual video, you can see. So I imagine that it pulls images from the internet. There's a whole bunch of, obviously, reference diagrams.

There's a whole bunch of different ways that you could ground a 3D modeling exercise. You could even pull the blueprints. There might be free models out there. Yeah, there's probably architectural plans. And yeah, it's this odd thing where you could use an AI image generator. because the AI image generators are knowledgeable about what the palace of fine arts is. It could generate a bunch of images there. So there's all these different ways to triangulate it.

And then you can also just go on, I think Sketchfab is one of the big free 3D model purveyors online. And so you could potentially go grab an actual 3D model build off of that for your scene. So there's all these different ways to solve a problem. And Astros seems to be good at actually going and doing it. There's a few more that we should look through. There's one comparison, since this is the new Pelican. bench apparently. Same prompt, same goal of creating this fly-through video for a real estate scene. And this feels like something that could be useful. I've already seen on Zillow. There is the ability

to restile images. So if you're looking at a house on Zillow, you can see the interior photos. And then you can say, I'd like to redecorate this in a modern style or in a contemporary style or in a colonial style. And it will go and use AI image generation on the back end to do that. It's only available on a fraction of Zillow listings. It's clearly some sort of feature that they need to turn on. But you could imagine this being something, especially for spec homes that are selling that maybe haven't been, that they don't have the budget to actually go do proper rendering. just lowering the cost, you get sort of a Jevins paradox moment. There's another one from Thomas.

He says Astra is very good at 3D modeling, and the lighting is way better in this one. This is what this actually looks properly ray-traced, properly lit, really thoughtfully designed. Maybe that's in the prompt. Maybe that's just the way this one turned out based on the photos, from a blender scene to then an Unreal Engine 5 walkable experience. So everything becomes translatable. You'll be able to take your tweets, turn them into blog post, turn them into videos, turn them into 3D games on Steam.

GTA-style video games. Basically, basically. And so there's a little bit of prompt, and Thomas reveals a little bit about his process here. I would like to see VCs. If you're going to put out an AI blog post, you know, a blog post. Like a market map.

No, if you're going to put out an essay that was clearly written by AI, you should be required to put out a video game that accompanies it. Yeah. That's sort of playable that gets the same concept. Yeah, I'm thinking like instead of a market map, make it a Fortnite map. I want to be able to play in the different town is a popular AI startup. Might land on a market map.

Should land on the virtual Fortnite map. There's some debate over this last one, whether there was like a different harness involved. But same thing. Give it a Zillel listing. It can 3D model of the house. So this, it's always with these new releases, it's interesting what makes you feel the AGI or not. Realistically, Frontier Math, Tier 4. I think they scored 99% on that.

Terminal bench science, 0.1, they're just numbers to me. Like, they don't do anything for me emotionally because I don't have any grounding in how hard those particular things are. And also, I sort of, I sort of assume that computers are good at math. And you didn't get past algebra and look how successful you are, right? Exactly, exactly. So, so those are rarely. I've accomplished all of this off of algebra one. Yeah, yeah.

A freshman level math, Olympians. Yeah, exactly. So those are never really fieldy AGI moments for me, but this, but I've actually spent hundreds, if not thousands of hours in 3D modeling software, mostly in Cinema 4D and Houdini. And it was really fun. I really enjoy making 3D renders and motion graphics. And it was also useful when I was making YouTube videos. But every step in building a scene requires you got to watch a YouTube tutorial, then you've got to look up how all the different functions work, and then ultimately you're tweaking settings in literally four dimensions, because it's a 3D scene, but then over time you have to map where the camera goes, where the different objects are

moving, how things progress every time. And it can also be very compute intensive. So there's a whole bunch of times where just to preview the scene in low res, you might have to cache and load and pre-bake certain animations so that you can just see what it's, you can just see what it looks like and then you're like, ah, it's not there. I got to go back and change some setting for some sort of smoke simulation or some sort of fracturing that's going on. And so it's fun, but it is extremely cumbersome. And ultimately, you're doing this on a two-dimensional screen, and it can be very time-consuming and frustrating. And so by the time I stopped spending time on motion graphics, which is around 2021, I'd been building the YouTube channel and I hired

a few editors. Some of them were good at After Effects, some of them learned Blender. Blender was ascendant at that time. So Blender is the open source community-led effort. Cinema 4D is a closed source piece of software, very expensive, was very expensive, was like over $1,000 to get a license that would be good for like a year. Then they eventually went subscription. And so there were pieces of software that were used by Hollywood, but were very expensive, very high barrier entry.

So you didn't have as much of a flourishing ecosystem. Blender in 2021 was clearly on this trajectory where it was going to build this ecosystem and become very, very popular. And it did. But by 2021, I was able to hire video editors who were able to go do scenes in Blender. But still, it was a huge ask. If I was like, for this YouTube video, I was posting every single week, I'd like a motion graphic to illustrate something. And I did this one where we built a 3D battleship board for this U.S.-China military

competitive analysis. And, I mean, it's like it sort of ties up. an editor for a week while they're working on this, and this just speeds all of that up. So you're going to get back to like the, is it over for motion designers that worry about job displacement? I think we've been through enough of these cycles that hopefully we're Jevin's paradox pilled at this point. We imagine a word.

Yeah, exactly. There's a lot more 3D renders. It seems like everything that can be, anything that can be rendered will be rendered. Yep. And it's just, and more people are going to try to make something themselves and then hit the point where they're like, okay, there's this sort of area where the models can't, can't get it to 100%. Now I need to actually go find, you know, find somebody who's an expert to work with them.

Yeah, yeah, totally. And so we're back on the, is this AGI question? The Wall Street Journal said, yes, we are entering the era of artificial general intelligence. It's in the journal. they've declared it. Although entering the era, like the door, the house is AGI, the door, and we are entering, we're like almost in the AGI era, according to Wall Street Journal. I don't know. Stripe called it AGI. Didn't they call it AGI, Jan 1? Something like that. And there's been various calls. Tyler Callan called it AGI like three years ago. He was ready to rock. I think that was GBT four.

Something like that. No, it might have been 01. I think O1, he was like, this is AGI.GI. But it's clearly artificial, clearly intelligent. And don't you think he'll end up looking like pretty good in the fullness of time on that call? 100%. Because it clearly is this like, you know, timeline of spectrum. Yeah. I do like to imagine the stripe, the collisans, just like at like just after midnight. You know, there's champagne, maybe some sparklers, some fireworks, and they just go, that's it.

It's a GI. It's AI. But the question is no longer, is it artificial. We know it is. The question is no longer, is it intelligent. We know it is at a lot of different tasks. The question is how general is it? Because Blender, as open source, can be downloaded and copied a million times into reinforcement learning environments.

We know that OpenAI bought, quote, tens of thousands of Mac minis and Mac studios to do computer use training on. And so the question is, is it only good at Blender? Will it work in Cinema 4D? Will it work in Houdini? Will it work in a small piece of software that does 3D modeling that has been followed? has fallen by the wayside. Now, there's an interesting dynamic here where I was in the boat of, I could see that Blender was going to be the new hot thing, the best tool that I should have

moved, but I already had so many plug-ins and textures and rendering and I knew the layout that I downloaded Blender, I opened it up, and I was like, I really don't want to have to get over this learning curve, even though I know in five years, Blender's going to be way better than Cinema 4D. There's this switching cost. Now, you're in this weird world where it's pretty good if you're a source. software company where the frontier labs bullseye lands on you. And I'm thinking about Slack, like Alex Wang at Meta, just moved them to Slack off of teams or they had like an internal

workspace thing. And specifically he said, give it up for Beniov, truly. And specifically he said Slack is better for work with AI agents. And why is that? Well, it's because the Frontier Labs all use Slack. And so they have Slack as a reinforcement learning environment. And so it got really good at Slack. And I think that even though there are open source slacks and you can vibe code a Slack competitor, as we have tested, Slack was the logical tool to pull off the shelf for the AI companies, for the AI agents, for the models. And Blender seems to be that. So the interesting thing is that I do wonder if people will wind up shifting from Cinema 4D to Blender because the models are better at Blender or will the models generalize and say, yeah,

Yeah, this looks a little bit different because it's a slightly different piece of software. But I've trained so many hours in Blender that I can also do Cinema 4D or also do Houdini. Because some of those other softwares are better at certain things. Some of them are better at smoke simulations. Some of them are better at water simulations. There are advantages to each piece. I don't want to degrade any particular piece of 3D software. I love them all equally.

There are some reports that it's quite effective at video editing. Cool. I'd be interested to take it for a spin. I wonder the interesting thing is that most video is still edited in Adobe Premiere. It's a closed source, Adobe, you know, they have their guardrails. They probably, they might not want to, you know, say, oh, yeah, sure, take 10,000 licenses, no problem. Pay us $10 a month for that. They might have a different opinion.

They may want an AI agent that's internal. There might be all sorts of different things. But then again, there are probably, I mean, I know that there are open source video editing suites out there. I think that they lag a little bit, but there are some that are free or open source at least. The other interesting thing, I mean, video editing, like all these things, like taste is so important in these. It's often less about the exact instructions and more about telling the right story, using the right tools, not creating slop, whether you're doing it yourself or with an AI agent. But I think that gets to the core question of like, how do you evaluate these model launches?

as we were discussing the idea that like the benchmark era might be coming to a close in some in some way because as soon as the benchmarks created, it's hill climbed very, very quickly and then it's at 99 or 100 percent pretty quickly. And everyone sort of their eyes start glazing over in benchmark discussions. And it just goes back to like the vibe check. I think the best thing to do when a model comes out is just take it for a spin. And mostly pointed at something that you know really well because you don't want to be You want to expose the models.

What's the, what's the, what's the gelman amnesia? That's the one I'm thinking of. You basically want to test if galman amnesia is triggered by you using the model. So pointed at something that you intimately understand and see if you're impressed. And then, because if you pointed out something. What? Yes, exactly. Yeah.

Yeah, we've got to do the horse bench again. We have a couple more adventure. Let's see comedy. I want to see some new jokes. Shrimp fried rice bench. Oh, there are other reactions to Astro we should go through in the timeline. The big one comes from Joe Weisthenthal. He says, you're never going to believe it.

But someone one prompted the new model to make a completely new and immersive 3D game. Yes, the bar has already been raised. The goalposts have been moved. It's not enough to make a game. It has to be funny, entertaining. And I don't know. I feel like a lot of people are taking the easy way out with these web-based games. Playing a game on a MacBook Pro in a Chrome tab, that's not real gaming.

It's got to be running on a PC on Steam or on a PS5 or on an Xbox. It's got to have more to it than just some fun game that you can play around with in the browser. There's also some updates. token pricing is effectively meaningless now. The benchmarks are meaningless. The token pricing charts are meaningless. Everything's meaningless. No.

So Stephen Hidal is sharing the cost efficiency, how you should think about cost efficiency in the modern era. So 3.8 flash looks 13 times cheaper when measured per token, but Astra is cheaper per task since it's far more efficient. Measure your costs per task, not per token. So interesting. Will we see a decline in, if models get more token efficient, will we see a decline? I mean, we probably won't see an actual decline in token volumes.

But, you know, we've seen Sundar Pachai from Google and alphabet stand on stage and talk about the exponential increases in token volumes. But you might see a kink in that graph or like a deceleration to some extent if models just get way more token efficiency. Like if the next version of Gemini or 3.8 flash is 100x more token efficient, you might see a little bit less growth in token volumes, but they might be doing more valuable work than ever. So sort of an interesting nuance. You've got to adapt to the modern times, I suppose. Jack Altman saw the benchmarks and said, Sam, exclamation point, I guess even a blind squirrel can find a nut sometimes. That's good. That's good.

We should move on to the jobs report because even though AI is getting better, so is the U.S. employment picture. The U.S. added 162,000 jobs in August. Sheesh. That is a lot of jobs. Also, what's interesting is that the Wall Street Journal had an op-ed. A lot of violation. Had an op-ed just, I mean, it just printed today. It went to print online yesterday, but saying, why will have to get used to me-job?

reports. The economy doesn't need to generate all that many jobs to keep the labor market steady, but that won't keep low job growth from feeling dissatisfying. So economists think, or they thought that Friday's jobs report will show the U.S. added seasonally adjusted 53,000 jobs in August. The number came back, 162,000. Three times what these economists, what were the economists doing, asleep at the wheel. They're on summer vacation maybe. Who knows? That would be a step up from July's unexpected loss of 23,000 jobs, which of course was now revised upward. So we actually did add jobs in... Oh, we got an upwards revision.

Upward revision. You don't see that much. No. Usually. Narrative violation. Usually. Yeah. That's a narrative violation.

There's a whole bunch of interesting dynamics going on in the economy. The Wall Street Journal has been doing a great job, highlighting the main street millionaire, the small town entrepreneur, what's happening in the broader real economy. not too focused on what's happening in tech and tech jobs where obviously a very small employee base can create a really outsized outcome. Nothing shows that better than hugging face. Couple hundred employees, $12 billion outcome. That's not the nature of the U.S. economy. That is the power law. That is the outlier. But it's easy to track and say, oh, well, like, if you're making a $12 billion business with just a couple hundred people, there's not going to be any more jobs.

but that's not the way the actual U.S. economy works. So what is going on with the U.S. economy? The August jobs report is out, and it is good. It blew past expectations with the U.S. adding 162,000 jobs. Economists polled by the Wall Street Journal said that the U.S. would add 53,000. That comes after both the June and July jobs reports were revised up to 31,000 and 21,000 respectively. So the unemployment rate remained at 4.1%, which is historically, low, which indicates that we generally have a healthy labor market. The jobs added were fairly

broad based from the Wall Street Journal, food services, and drinking places where standout, with an increase of 59,000 jobs. And people were worried about this post-World Cup slump. You remember this? Yeah. Yeah. And so it seems like whatever happened there, whatever gyrations happened, people are still dining out. People are still going to bars. And so they're hiring. I think it's quite possible that, you know, recent model advances are allowing people to, you know, have more power lunches. Yes. It might have historically been a Friday thing. Yeah. Maybe now they're out on Monday to Wednesday. Sort of a let Astra take the wheel scenario. Yeah. After 1 p.m. in many offices across the country. Could be a, could be a thing. Could be that.

Similarly, local government education gained 42,000 jobs after losing 58,000 jobs in the prior months. manufacturing was among the sectors registering job gains, as was healthcare, as has always been the case. Healthcare continues to boom. The information and finance sectors shed jobs while economists are divided over how artificial intelligence will divide the market. Those sectors are generally viewed as among the most exposed to technology. At a minimum, the report is an argument against the Fed lowering rates in September. Before the report, markets have been roughly divided on the prospect of a hike. It also seems that the AI jobs apocalypse is still on hold at least for another month. And of course, we'll discuss this on the show.

The great Dyson debate. T.J. Parker kicked it off. He said apparently unpopular opinion. Dyson products are generally not very good. Strongly agree, though my girls love their air rap, says Bryce Roberts. A couple other people saying, yep, my wife got a vacuum. It was terrible. It felt like a total sci-op. A lot of people are upset.

Thematic founders chiming in. I got an alternative for you. Oh, he's saying that it's likely ruining your rug slash carpet. Oh, interesting. Dyson, uh, rug shed and Dyson suction is very adept at making it shed faster than necessary. Interesting. Uh, okay,

I'll start with what I, I think the Dyson business is incredible. The story is incredible. I think that the making things that look like halo weapons for stuff around the home is a very, cool way to differentiate and I appreciate the over-engineering like everyday objects. I'm not saying I'm buying into it, but I appreciate that someone's doing it. Somebody needs to make a $500 toothbrush.

But that being said, I saw this and I was like, you know what, that kind of, that does resonate because every time I have a Dyson vacuum at home and I've had various Dyson products over the year, vacuum in particular, it just feels like a lot. little bit like like it's like creaky it feels a little bit it feels a little bit cheap yeah and i always want to put it away because i don't like this like halo weapon you know a home cleaning device doesn't exactly fit into the overall design just say you don't live at the city just say your house doesn't look like it would be welcoming to the flood come on you got you got to design your whole house to fit the aesthetic yeah you got to have a banshee out front a banshee out front would be sick would fix

me. I think you forget how bad it was before Dyson. Yeah. It was so bad. Vacuums were so rattling and clanky, and, like, they used to have bags on the back that you would have to, like, take out and they'd have this felt inside and the stuff would be going everywhere. Like, this is such a step forward. Maybe you could say that, like, it's plasticy and, and it doesn't feel, like, super rock solidly built now. But it moved the whole category so, far forward and so far into the future, just the fact that you don't have to plug it in. It has a battery. That was an innovation. Like, most, most vacuums, you would have to take it out and then you would unwind this long cable. And I think they still make some of these, but you would have to find the lowest, the nearest plug, plug the vacuum in, and then you could

only vacuum as far as the cable would go. And then you'd want to move to another room. So one of my early like chores. I think I, I don't know why I have so many remedies of this, but I guess I, I have, I have formative memories of like vacuuming. And you're like, oh, and you're trying to extend it and then you have to like get the, and as a kid, you're trying to be, you're trying to be as efficient as possible. Yeah, of course. You don't want to move the cord in the two seconds. There's four plugs in the house that I need to hit to vacuum the whole house. And so you got to, you got to optimally, it's a traveling sales problem all of a sudden. It's NPR. Like, you got to plug in over here,

reach under there, get under the couch, go over there. Then you got to move the cord. over the couch so you can get to the other side, then you've got to move the cable all the way to the other side of the room so you can get the other side of the room. Huge problem, completely solved, one shotted by James Dyson, one of the greatest to ever do it, and put some respect on his name. What is going on with the cyber cab is, uh, there's an interior tour here with Holmar's catalog, and I B says, the doors go up, John. The doors go up. Did you know the doors go up? Yes, I saw that. Uh, this will completely replace Uber for me. Holy mackerel. I like this. There's a couple other data points about the cyber cab rollout.

So famously, YouTuber and electronics reviewer Marquez Brownlee attended the previous cybercab event and came away, impressed and optimistic about the future of self-driving, but skeptical of the timeline. And he said that if Elon could make good on his forecast, which was for sale by the end of 2026 for under $30,000, no steering wheel, full self-driving. you can just put it out in the world and it will go do tasks and earn you money. That was the pitch. And Marquez said, I think that's too aggressive. Does for sale mean they're being delivered? Yes. Okay. For sale. Because they did throw up, they did throw up like a... Pre-order doesn't count. You got to pay the 30,000. You got to get the cyber cab by December 31st. And so if you get the... Elon took that personally. Elon took that personally. Yeah. He has a pre-order where you can buy a whole stack of them for

for a million dollars and run a fleet. But I think Marquez is looking good. The stakes were high. Marquez Brownlee said that he would have to, he would shave his head if this happened on Elon's original schedule. And of course, every time there was a cyber cab that was spotted, I actually saw one here in L.A.

Every time there was an update about the progress of the cyber cab program, people would respond with an AI image of bald Marquez, which is very funny. But the... Should we be making? predictions with head shaving as a conference Yeah

Yeah if Elon doesn't ship this by the end of the year I'll shave Tyler said I'm willing to do that If Elon doesn't Okay is that we have a deal Yeah Wait if he doesn't ship it If he doesn't ship the cyber cab for under

$30,000 by the end of the year Actual deliveries No steering wheel and it drives yourself and earns your money So I'm inverse Marquez Brownling No No. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh. No, no, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If he doesn't do it, yeah, you're the opposite of Marquez. If he doesn't do it, you shave. If in the world where he does do it, then you don't have to shave your head. I do like the head shaving as a bat. I don't know exactly.

When's the last time you had a buzz cut? High school, football season. I would shave it before the season started, easier to put on the helmet, and then I would grow it out all year. had long flowing hair. I... Electric. We'll pay a lot of money for pictures of John.

I'll find an old one. It was a wild luck. It was a lot of fun. It was also just easier, lazy bones. I'm actually really bullish on the cyber cab. I've tested Model S recently, and I ordered a model YL, and the self-driving capability is 100% ready to rock. Like, it is...

Brandon and our team was saying that he's at 95%... of the miles that he's driven in the car have been in full self-driving mode. You had a little bit of tele-op for that 5% that's not there. And with a cab, you don't have to negotiate driveways and drop-off points and valets as much.

Yeah. It's solved. Like, truly, the only time you're driving a Tesla, if you have the full self-driving on the latest hardware, is you pulling into your garage or negotiating a parking lot,

something like that. Interestingly, Tesla has a feature. Sure, smart summon, it can pull out of a parking space and come and pick you up. It's a little janky right now, not quite there. You have to sort of puppeteer it yourself, but they don't have a banish mode, and there's huge demand for banish, which is the inverse of summon. And Brandon just coined this, and I was like, that's actually great. And he was like, yeah, that's probably what they'll call it.

And I was like, yeah, I guess, but I wouldn't have thought of that. I don't know. Seems like a very Elon word. Yeah. So I love the idea of being able to take the full stuff. driving vehicle, get out of it just on the curb, actually at your destination and say banish, go pay for parking. If you want to pay for parking, go find a spot on the road, go drive around until you find something. I'm going to be here for an hour. Deal with it. Deal with it. AI.

That's what everyone wants. Yeah, for sure, for sure. Anyway, what did Elon actually say about cybercab? He said, 20 cents a mile to run 30 or 40 with taxes. and yes, you can buy one for under $30,000. Get ready to shave your head, MKBHD. Somebody's shaving their head. It's either Tyler or MKBHD, we'll see. I think the cost of autonomous transport will be so low that you can think of it like individualized mass transit.

The average cost of a city bus per mile, not the ticket price, because that is subsidized, is about a dollar a mile. The operating cost of a cyber cab will be around 20% a mile, including taxes and everything else, probably 30 or 40 cents a mile. you'll be able to buy one. We expect the cost below 30,000. It is crazy that I'm in a world where I think they're going to ship cyber cab before Roadster, because they announced Roadster a decade ago. I know, but we were expecting something around the Roadster in August. Right? Yeah, flying. And he told Rogan he was going to show a demo that was going to blow everyone's mind.

Yeah, so I would expect that hopefully this month. So you think you'll be able to buy a Roadster and get it delivered before you'll be able to buy a cyber cab and get it delivered? I never said I thought you could ever get a Roadster delivered. You just think it's never going to come? No, no, no. But I would assume if they're going to do a demo, then we're still over a year out from delivery, at least. I mean, just from a financial position, CyberCab makes so much more sense as a business than Roadster.

Roadster, I mean, even at $250,000 for the crazy specs, it's still like there aren't that many buyers that want that. A lot of people that are spending $250,000, they want a manual, they want an experience, they want a weekender. They don't necessarily want this. There's going to be so many buyers for the roadster, at least where we are. There will be, but we're talking about so many buyers, oh, 10,000 cars a year or something. It's not the way people get around every day, like taxis. You know, like it's just completely different, Tam, completely different situation in general. So I don't know.

I might go, well, I'm shaving this side of the head if it's cyber cab first, this side of the head of it's roadster first, and I think I'll have a head here for over a year. The National Weather Service forecast dangerous beach conditions for the Malibu Coast. Dangerous? Starting today. Dangerous for novices or dangerous for someone at your level? That's impossible. Dangerously good surf condition.

Dangerously absolutely electric surf conditions heading into this weekend. Hope to see the TBPN Nation in SoCal taking advantage of this hurricane as well. We're going to have back-to-back days of phenomenal activity. in here on the Pacific. So I'm thrilled. I'm excited. I hope to get you out there, John. I would love to see you.

I might be tinkering with Astra. Who knows? Have a happy labor day. Have a wonderful three day weekend. And we will see you. Zeke says, great weekend to get out on the pontoon in Malibate.

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