TBPN - China Considers AI Export Controls, SK Hynix Eyes $28B IPO, Banks Target Payment Business | Diet TBPN

Episode Date: July 8, 2026

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The big news of the day is that China is taking a page out of Washington's playbook, potentially, and aiming to limit the export of AI models. Now, these are just meetings at this point, but Chinese authorities have reportedly, this is according to Reuters, held meetings with some of the country's top tech firms. That's Alibaba, ByteDance, Z.A.I. DeepSeek, High Flyer, not mentioned yet, but you have to imagine that they'll be in the conversation if they aren't already, about potentially restricting overseas access to China's most advanced models. So they're thinking about doing the same thing that's happening with GPT 5.6, Seoul,

ultra, mythos, Fable, all these different models that are starting to get more restricted as they get more powerful. The government wants to say in what companies and what non-governmental organizations, what governmental organizations have access to them. So the discussions are still preliminary. And when did an AI 2027 did China wake up? Right around this time. Right around this time. Mid 2020. I actually have on my calendar check on Jack Clark for today.

Because last year, December 23rd, Jack Clark predicted that there would be big changes and acceleration in mid-20206. He said, so by summer of 26, it will be as though the digital world is going through. through some kind of fast evolution, with some parts of it emitting a huge amount of heat and light and moving with counterintuitive speed relative to everything else, great fortunes will be won and lost here, and the powerful engines of our silicon creation will be put to work further accelerating this economy and further changing things. Do you think that's where we are? Is that an accurate assessment of mid-2020-6? When I saw this prediction, I put a calendar reminder for mid-20206.

We're right in the middle of the year. And I wanted to check in and say, does it feel like this? Obviously, this is not a quantitative benchmark. This is a qualitative feeling. Fast evolution, emitting a huge amount of heat and light, moving with counterintuitive speed relative to everything else. Great fortunes certainly are being won and lost every day in the market.

Tyler, how would you assess the amount of heat and light emitting from some parts of the digital world? Would you say it's huge? I would say it's huge. It's kind of hard. I feel like I've been very tapped in for a long time, so it's hard to say like... You've been feeling... It's hard to see an outside view as like, oh, is this actually like, has there been a big change recently? Yes, so there's two things. It's been kind of like a personal thing for you.

Being so tapped in. Would you say that? So there's, I mean, there's two things going on. One is that anyone who has... Angel has been like a personal thing for Tyler. He's been so tapped in for so long. No, no, it's true. So much of news coming out of DC of the past like two or three months

has been about AI, which is like definitely was not true. Yes. You know, even earlier this year, I would say. Yes. And the just the amount of heat and light around cybersecurity issues, the coding models,

the agenic capabilities, the revenues that we would see in enterprise, those have not been a shock to AI insiders who have been tracking the capabilities of these models since, last October or even last summer when models started when vibe coding was coined by Andre Carpathie and coding became not solved but you know greatly enhanced by our So going back to AI 2027.

Yes. Which was published April 3rd 2025. By late 26, they had, or sorry, mid-20206 was China wakes up. In China, the CCP is starting to feel the AGI. export controls and lack of government support have left China under resource compared to the West. I'm going to fast forward a little bit. Hawks in the CCP warned that the growing race towards AGI can no longer be ignored. So they finally commit to the big AI push that they had previously tried to avoid.

He sets in motion the nationalization of Chinese AI research, creating an information-sharing mechanism for AI companies. So right now they're just looking at export controls. It feels like we're a little bit behind all that. this. It's possible the CCP is just reading this as a guide and just implementing it. They're just planning to implement it to a T. Thanks for the guide. Just like, yeah, thanks. Thanks for the playbook. Yeah. You should have, you should have billed me for it. Yeah. No, the real, the real 4D chess here is to shame the CCP into not copying off of AI 2027 saying, oh, really? You're just doing the AI 2027 thing? Come on, you don't need to do it. I don't be memetic with our, with our philosophers literature and our most

popular podcasts over here in America. Think of your own strategy. Come on, do whatever. No. So the discussions around AI export controls in China are still preliminary. And it isn't clear how Beijing could claw back access to models that they've already released. If they're on Hugging Face, you can download them, you can run them.

And even if they had some sort of intellectual property, they could sue an open source inference provider for running Kimi or something like that, that feels really difficult to do from Beijing. But there are other implications. So once open weight models are posted publicly, of course they can be copied, mirrored, downloaded, reused anywhere, fine-tuned. But there are several ways China could restrict future frontier models before they leave the country. At the latest end, Beijing could require companies to file future releases with regulators or submit them for national security review before publishing model weights. A more aggressive version would require government approval before any advanced model could be released overseas. And at the most

restrictive end, China could simply ban the public release of frontier open weight models. They could say no more open sourcing, although the game theory there is a little odd because it feels like the fact that China has been open sourcing near frontier capabilities has been to it to China's benefit in general because it creates more disturbances. Like the deep seek moment was definitely good for China. Pricing pressure. Yeah, pricing pressure. So they could limit these to state approved customers or Chinese government priorities.

which at a certain level might just be the most important thing to do. The RSI loop, of course, you want all of the GPUs that you have focusing on advancing the frontier internally, as opposed to sending it off to America. The talks come as the U.S. is also moving toward tighter control of frontier AI. The Trump administration recently restricted access to Anthropics, most advanced models, Fable 5, and Mythos 5, before later lifting some of those controls after additional safety mitigations. Open AI has also reportedly faced government-prudely. pressure around the rollout of its next frontier models.

The issue has become more urgent because Chinese open weight models are increasingly competitive. Z.a.i's GLM 5.2 in particular recently impressed Silicon Valley by performing close to leading U.S. models at a much lower cost. The Kwen family of models from Alibaba has also become one of the most important open model ecosystems in the world, while Bight dances, Dao Bao is one of China's most widely used domestic AI systems. I didn't know about that. If China places export controls on future frontier models, it could

raise costs for American AI users and companies because it's obviously very beneficial to have a great open source model available to you and use them for lower stakes task while reserving expensive U.S. frontier models for their most important workloads. If the best Chinese models are no longer freely available abroad, some of that cheap model supply disappears, but you have to ask what happens to meta. Do other labs start piling back into the open source ecosystem? system and more. Or will all the demand just go straight back to the frontier? That's the question. It really does. It really does. We should play some clips because we need to be thinking about podcast safety because this is an addictive.

There should be export controls on this. It should be only available to American citizens. Patrick should be doing the U.S. even though one of the guys over there is Canadian, yes. But maybe North America. Let's pull up a clip from this. I want to hear Jeremy chat about all sorts of things. go all over. Where in the timeline is the... Well, should we talk about SK Hynix's new listing? Yes, we can run through that and then we can pull up... SK. Hynix is set to raise around $28 billion in a NASDAQ share sale this week, potentially one of the largest ever New York listings by an Asian company. The South Korean Memory Chipmaker is already public in Seoul, where its stock is up

more than 750% over the past year, but the U.S. listing gives American investors an easier way in. The story is big on the timeline because situational awareness. the hedge fund run by Leopold, Aschenbrenner, may participate alongside Bally Gifford and Co2. Together, the firms could take as much as $7 billion of the deal. S.K. Hinex has become one of the purest AI infrastructure plays because it leads in HBM, has become a key Nvidia partner and now has a market cap around $1.1. Which is like a quadrillion won. Yeah, that's a lot.

When you look it up, it's very confusing. It's a lot. The business is ripping 2025 revenue grew full. 47% to 63 billion profit more than doubled, 28 billion in profit, Q1 revenue tripled year over year. But interestingly, the stock only trades 7X forward earnings because memory is brutally cyclical. And there's still a lot of people that are wondering what happens if there's another leg up in the AI demand and the AI buildout? Will that mean more competitive pressure? Will it be a bottleneck where they do stagnate?

How much can they actually grow? And so many investors that are just in memory have seen booms and busts from cloud or smartphone or crypto. And they say, I don't know that this one's going to last forever. I'm pattern matching to previous cycles, not thinking about this as a different technology cycle. So I think that's what's going on with SKHonics. But it should be a blockbuster IPO, nevertheless, very interesting to see an Asian company listed in America. Most, you know, notable part of this deal is obviously situational awareness. Yeah.

And their participation in it. They cover in Best Like the Best, the Billion Dollar PDF. It's an idea that Jeremy and Patrick have talked about before. But situational awareness is turning out to be more of maybe a 10 or $100 billion PDF. Yeah. Seriously. I mean, the whole investing thesis built around that. It's just a PDF. I don't know.

Is it an essay, a thesis? So if the PDF was worth a billion, Or more than that, what was the Dorcasch episode worth? It's got to be some percentage of it, right? Yeah, definitely. Because a lot of people watch the podcast, watch the clips, scroll through the PDF. Breaking News, meta unveils Muse Image, its first image generation model from MSL. Waiting for this.

Let's pull up some images of this and see the results. It should be good, given that they have all the Instagram and Facebook data to train on. Alex Wang has a post. Cool. Let's pull this up. Okay. Muse Image, Muse Video. A whole bunch of very detailed badges printed all in one image.

He says, releasing Muse Image Today, the first image generation model from MSL. It is crazy that they didn't have any, like, back when it was fair, did they do anything with image? Because they had that amazing model segment anything. So they were doing work on images, and obviously they processed a ton of images. It pairs with Muse Spark to reason through your prompt, search the web, and plan before it generates people. get what they mean on the first try live now in the meta AI app. Very, very fun. Even puts a realistic QR code in there and can do infographics and old Polaroids as well. Big Sur, August 1983. Three things Alex Wang is excited about under the hood. Self-refinement. The model improves its

own output within its chain of thought. Emerged during R.L. Not by design. Multi-reference composition, many images blended into one coherent generation, multi-turn editing, iterate without losing coherence or starting over. Make an image of this person riding a bike, this bike, and wearing this suit while passing by these people on a park bench, make it look like a drawing in this style. That's cool. So you can upload multiple images and sort of drop them in his various prompts. What you got, Tyler? Yes, so MetaFair did release a number of image models. Oh, really? I think it's pronounced chameleon in 2003. There was EMU, also 2023, and then there was another, like, version of chameleon.

I think they were, they were somewhat different than the, like, diffusion, which was, like, popular at the time. I think they were all auto-aggressive, transformer, which was, like, how you get the good text, stuff like that. But I believe this is a different game, yeah. And Alex is also previewing Muse video, competitive, unprompted, hearing, visual fidelity, temporal consistency, also coming to meta-a-I. This has got to be GPU intensive if they actually roll this out to everyone. Although meta-AI does have a smaller install base than Instagram, but I mean, imagine you really push this in meta-a-I. What did they buy all the GPUs for? You've got to get people generating stuff.

I completely agree. I think put this in the hands of the modern Instagram creator, let them have fun with it. And see, you already have the algorithm to filter the slop out, the stuff that is, sloppy but still entertaining and creative will surface to the top. So, congrats to them on a successful launch. And let's click over to Jeremy Gaffon on why he doesn't worry about AI taking jobs, a very, very interesting take on the latest episode. I don't understand this idea of we're going to run out of jobs. To me, it's like very obvious that every, certainly every white-collar job is like totally fake and made up in the sense that like they are not

contingent for shelter and food and medicine and other necessities. But most jobs do not touch those, or if they do, they touch it in a very, very derivative way. What is your job as an allocator? It's like, well, because capital is inherently inflationary, you can't just leave it alone. And so, like, my job is, like, when you have money and you don't want it to go away, you have to give it to someone. And so you give it to a bunch of people and then I take it and I put it into things that are productive and then hopefully you don't lose your money you get more money and like is this usual is good yeah sure but like it's not real and to me there's like unlimited amounts of jobs that you can create in those

sorts of scenarios we're going to have unlimited wants and desires and and our economy is solely driven by our unprinciable desire to consume things and so we're like to come up with reasons to consume. And now, again, in the short term and medium term, that might be volatile and there might be a lot of job loss and et cetera. And, you know, that's not good. And, you know, there could be a lot of despair. But in the long run, like, we're just going to invent new things to do. Like, we've already solved all of their problems. Like, the worry about, oh, we're not going to have more jobs, it just doesn't really resonate because I feel like we just make up stuff for us to do. And that's sort of the whole point of it.

That makes me think we need an invest like the best. soundtrack. We do need to invest like the best soundtrack. Let's play the other clip that Patrick shared. The West Coast is definitely eating the East Coast. The founder is incredibly important and sort of the founding act is incredibly

important in any business. I do think that it's notable that like the current paradigm in which we live the largest and most important finance firms come out of a culture of leverage buyout, which it's extractive insofar as the primary

goal is to make a thing more profitable. The core idea behind it is using debt and financial engineering to make a lot of money in a way that the quality of the business itself is maybe ancillary to the court rate. Afterglow says, my God, what an obnoxious sound. Unwatchable. Sorry. It is a little loud today. I feel like the soundboard's coming in a little bit hot.

We're sorry about that. But we're having fun here. And of course, we don't want to. We don't want to pirate the entire Invest like the best episode. We've got to tease it a little bit. This would be a good use case for AI if we can make a separate show. That's just the show. But an agent in real time pulls out the sound effect.

Pull it out. And just has a normal show, no soundboard. Sure, sure. So you can choose whether you want the soundboard version of the show or the not. Tyler says, don't be sorry. That's why I'm here. Tyler's just here for the soundboard. So, unfortunately, there's people that are here that don't like the soundboard.

There's people that are here only because of the soundboard. We are trying to find the middle ground, and we don't always get it right. It's sort of a... We don't always get it right, but we're trying to. It's sort of a cold war between the pro-sound board and the anti-soundboard constituents in the audience. Well, revenge of the East Coast. The East Coast is trying to make a comeback. Jeremy Gaffon says the West Coast is eating the East Coast,

but the East Coast is trying to make a comeback across all of these big banks. did you hear about this? They're going after the debit card rails. They're going after Visa. This is news today. JP Morgan, Bank of America, Wales Fargo, PNC, and other big banks are reportedly exploring a deal to buy a FISA debit card network that would let them own more of the payment rails that the customer's debit cards run on.

So the basic idea is that post, I think it was post-financial crisis, there were limits on how much banks could make on debit card transactions. This is the Durban amendment. Durbin. The Durbin amendment, I think Dick Durbin. And they want a way to turn debit back into a more valuable business. So FISA owns major debit networks, including Star and Excel, which I don't run into that often. I usually see Visa MasterCard, Amex. I mean, MX doesn't have debit network. But Star and Excel already connect to millions of card holders and thousands of financial institutions. So this is like, it's a real rail with an existing bank and merchant connectivity. And so this is like when Capital One bought Discover.

They own the issuer. Then they also own the network. And then they can move their own volume onto their own rails and capture more of the economics. So who loses if this goes through? Who should be upset about this? It's probably the merchants, Visa and MasterCard. So merchants would probably see higher effective debit costs if banks find a way to route more volume through bank.

bank-owned networks, while Visa and MasterCard would lose some leverage over U.S. debit. But the bigger story is that payments are getting vertically re-bundled. Banks want the account, the card, the network, the wallet, the fraud layer, and eventually the AI agent checkout surface. So it's all very – I don't even think there's a real bid for the – for FIERV's debit networks just yet, but it's like starting to move out that they're doing it. And I was interested to know, like, is this – is this – bullish for ramp because they sit on top of networks. And I think it is generally positive and

because of the layer of abstraction they operate on. And I was wondering, like, is this an attack on stripe? Is this an attack on any particular West Coast tech startup that we know? And it seems like it's much more of an attack on Visa and MasterCard in particular who have been driving up debit fees for them. Anyway, did you want to talk more about Fiat's next next? U.S. car. You mentioned it when we were talking to Baiju from Cowboy Space Company yesterday. The Topolino. It's coming to America. Tiny two-seat electric microcar,

they're calling it. It starts at $14,000. Almost half the price of the other electric golf cart that we talked about last, what was that, last Thursday we talked? Yeah. But you can fit a lot more people in the Amble. I like this move from Fiat.

You like it? I think that their car are generally un-serious. Yes. And so I think it's good to just lean into that. Okay, okay. And I think they're trying to price this so that when people are thinking, hey, I need a new car. Yeah.

Should I go out and buy like a crossover SUV or sometimes? There's no way anyone can consider this for their main car. It's impossible. No, but you can if you typically roll around with a handful of people, and instead of buying one car for, you buy a bunch of them, for 60 grand. You'll need a train of them. You know the range on this thing? 46 miles.

46 miles. I mean, I guess if you have a 10-mile commute, you can technically commute here. They launch an EV with 46 miles away. It's nothing. They should have called it. How long is your commute? It's less than 10 miles.

Less than 10 miles. They should have called it the Fiat dice because every time you leave the house, you're rolling the dice. It's a thousand pounds. So you can deadlift it with another friend. Are you serious? Thousand pounds, yeah. Those thing's tiny.

It's really, truly, like, so, so small. They're saying it's the cutest car ever made? Look at the speed. The top speed. The top's out at 25 miles an hour. That's with a street legal low speed vehicle kit. By default, it only goes 19 miles an hour. So how long would it take you to get here?

19 miles an hour? 30 minutes? Yeah, 30 minutes. Wow. That's not too bad. That's not too bad. Maybe you've got to do it. Okay.

You guys are laughing, but you won't be laughing when, When I pull up to the office with... A fleet of these? With five of these. And you need a support car, like a cyber truck behind you. Yeah, no, no, the Topolino is the support. You just have a series of... You just go train mode.

Well, the main other news is that this is somewhat related to New York and Manhattan. A midtown Manhattan skyscraper under construction is reportedly at risk of collapse. The building was the former Pfizer headquarters on East 42nd Street. It was evacuated Tuesday morning after the FDNY received reports around 8 a.m. Eastern time of bricks falling from the high rise. When crews arrived, they found two structural columns inside the building had buckled with floor sagging from the roughly 21st all the way to the 26th floor. So there's six floors of sagging.

This building seems to be falling apart. Video from inside the site shows columns visibly bent, raising immediate concerns about the stability of the building. So far, thankfully, no injuries have been reported. Let's hope it stays that way, and construction workers have been accounted for. The site was undergoing one of the most ambitious office to residential conversions in New York history.

Metro Loft and David Warner real estate were converting the former Pfizer complex into roughly 1,500 to 1,600 apartments with plans to renovate the existing 38-story tower and add more than a dozen new stories to part of the property. Officials have evacuated the construction site and are nearby buildings as a precaution. Very, very crazy. City inspectors and engineers are now on site investigating the damage and trying to determine whether the building can be stabilized. They'll need to go and rebuild those columns. For now, commuters are being told to avoid the area. So if you're in New York, stay away from East 42nd Street.

I hope everyone is safe there. Bad day to be doing that conversion. Yeah, very, very chaotic situation. Anyway. It's also imagine trying to sell those apartments. Have you finished? It's like, oh yeah, moving into the building that was buckling across six different stories.

Yeah, there was a building, was it in San Francisco, the Millennium Tower? Yeah, TZ says good day to be a demolition company. I guess, yeah. Yeah, there was a millennium tower that was a fancy high rise in San Francisco, and the foundation, like, sunk a little bit. And so the whole building was tilted slightly. And so if you put a marble on the ground in these, like, luxurious apartments, it would roll. And there was a huge, huge lawsuits.

I believe that they were able to go do some structural reinforcement and eventually get it back. Just some saggy floors. Just some saggy floors. Yeah, lock in. Just, yeah, maybe it's just a mindset. Stop sweating the details. Thank you so much for tuning in. Leave us five stars on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

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