TBPN - Diet TBPN: October 21st, 2025

Episode Date: October 22, 2025

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You're watching TVPN. Today's Tuesday, October 21st, 2025. We are live from the TBPN Ultradome, the Temple of Technology, the Fortress of Finance. The Capital of Capital of Capital. There we go. Massive news out of OpenAI. They launched their browser. It had been rumored for weeks now, months now.

The browser wars have been heating up. OpenAI dropped a trailer announcing the browser, which is called Atlas. By the way, the Atlassian browser company acquisition just closed today. Oh. I'd love to play the video from OpenAI announcing their browser, Atlas. I like the different sound cues. This one.

That sounds kind of like typing on an iPhone. I mean, it sounds exactly like. Is that what it sounds like? Okay. It's funny, I like the sound cue in videos, but I turn it, I certainly turn the sound off on my actual phone, so I don't actually hear it very regularly. So this is, you're on all trails. Is that the website?

So you're in Coursera and you're saying cheat on my homework. Wall Street Journal summarizes for me. Interestingly, the Wall Street Journal actually has AI summaries now in every article, just a couple of bullet points. I don't go to them a lot, though. So it does some online shopping. Tyler, were you successful in your prompt? Give me your review.

People are saying, you know, it's a new browser. It's not just a browser. I think it's kind of a whole new way to really use the Internet. Browse the web, to browse the web. Will this be successful? I believe that chat GPT, especially once it had some close to live search, was five to ten times better than Google search for a lot of searches. And my prediction is that Atlas, in its current form,

might be 1.1 times better than Chrome. And that will not be enough to get large-scale consumer. adoption. I'm not super bullish, but I think it's great that they're taking a big shot on goal, and it makes sense strategically. Well, if you're looking for a product that is 10 times better, go to ramp.com, time as money, say both ease of use corporate cards, bill payments, accounting, and a whole lot more all in one place. Me, my daily driver in a peaceful corner of the internet, Safari power user. Safari power user. First of all, let's say thank you to Sam Alman for constantly creating content. It really is, like the bull marketed and tech news. There's always something to

There's always a Samma story. Wall Street Journal's Open AI piece makes you realize Sam Altman must succeed or he could be a real problem for an otherwise sterling industry. Dot, dot, dot. Sam Altman is kind of becoming the preeminent deals guy of the modern tech era. He's like the deals are so big and they're coming so quickly that a lot of people are asking. Is Sam just so good at deals that all the counterparties are actually making mistakes by tying their fortunes to Open AI. If Open AI doesn't deliver and Oracle does all the build out, but then Open AI doesn't have the revenue, is Oracle in trouble? That's the narrative right now. So the question is like, why are these deals happening? I don't think Sam's gotten any foxier now that he's 40. He's going to be a silver fox. But he's always been a great dealmaker.

Even going back to his very first company where he got he got looped, acquired when the company He wasn't doing that well. It was sort of one of the first aqua hires that turned out really well. But now everything has three, four, five extra zeros after it. And I think that the reason isn't just that he's become a better dealmaker, it's that he actually has more leverage now. When you have the breakout consumer product of a generational tech trend, you have a lot of leverage.

If you're running AMD or Nvidia or Oracle or any hyperscaler, you know, computing company, and you have to go in front of shareholders, and they're asking you, are we doing anything with OpenAI, the company that scaled to over a billion users? The thing that will be the next Google, the next Amazon, the next Microsoft. And if you have to go in front of them and say no, they're like, okay, what exactly do you do here? Why are you missing this? Open AI could swap out the underlying model and still accrue the vast majority of value.

So hypothetically, you could have chat, GPD, chat.com, powered not by GPT5, but instead. powered by Gemini or Claude and still see positive user growth, monetization, because at the end of the day, most of the users aren't there for the model, they're there for the app, they're there for the ecosystem, they're there for the platform now. Joel Spolsky in 2002 coined this phrase, commoditize your compliments. And so anything that complements your product, you want to be a commodity so that it can bring more content onto the platform. This was the thesis behind meta open sourcing llama. If it's free to generate content, there will be more content on the platform, just like the Sony camera, you know, commoditize the video production, made more content for YouTube. All of their partners are looking at them, whether they're Google with the TPU program, Amazon with Traneum, Open AI, say AMD is pretty good. Sam's looking at that margin profile just being like, Jensen, I'm so happy. The whole industry is losing money. And they're like, we're trying to find the one guy that's making money. Exactly. And they see Jensen just absolutely printed. If only there were another plate that we could eat off of at Jenson.

Johnson's just there with like the massive Thanksgiving dinner on his plate. And so everyone's kind of incentivized to like work against the video. Obviously Jensen would have been incredibly frustrated by this for a number of reasons. His reaction, very presidential, was, I saw the deal. It's imaginative. It's unique and surprising, considering they were so excited about their next generation product. The Pew says, enjoy the vague posting. Well, last, my friend, soon all the AGI companies go public and ruin and I's shit.

posts are also called security violations. Martin Schrelli says jail is not so bad. It's funny because somebody at Open AI legal is going to probably send this to Will his post to him and be like, hey, look, like a lot of people are going to read into this that I'm going to go public soon. Genuine question. For VC firms invested in both frontier model labs and coding application layer companies, how do you handle the discrepancy between the two, since coding is number one on the roadmap of the labs versus other products which are more adjacent. If you're a company, I don't, I don't think there's huge downside here. Like, VCs tend to give immense support for their winners. I think something similar might have happened with Palantir and Databricks, which had some

same investors, actually, but there was this thesis of like, well, if Databricks is the database layer and they allow you to do AI on top of that, like, what is Palantir's role? And they kind of wound up partnering. Venture investors want to invest in companies that become so successful that they launch products that ultimately compete in a bunch of different adjacent categories and ultimately compete with a range

of their portfolio companies. That is ultimately what success looks like. Something I've been thinking about a lot is this dynamic between Anthropic where all of their revenue comes from having the best coding model, which is very different than having a lot of revenue because you

have a hit consumer product, because you have to keep training the next model. Pets.com is the go-to slur of the dot-com era. Let's see. Pets.com burned $182 million of total investor capital before going bust. Today, just U.S. online pet goods sales is $38 billion a year, $70 billion total market cap, including portions of Amazon and Walmart. Lesson should have invested more in Pets.com.

Like, makes sense to take a really big. swing at what became a $38 billion market. U.S. East is down from Syriac, and it's, what exactly is this image from? Is this like Rome falling? Is this the fall of Rome? This is very... Do we know what caused it yet? Wasn't it database migration or something?

Some data, oh, no, DNS configuration, I think, was the root, something like that. The outage began around 3 a.m. Eastern time when Amazon made a technical update to a widely used AWS database service, DynamoDB. The update, which included an incorrect domain name service or DNS information for DynamoDB, kicked the database offline in Amazon's critically important northern Virginia data centers. Really exposed to insane dependency. Yeah. So we're taking it on-prem. This was my take yesterday. We're going back to sticks and stones. We're going back to pen and paper, baby. The computer revolution is over. AI is dead. So Tuxedo Sam says, meet James Hamilton. He's Amazon's literal, very top engineer, the brain behind all the data centers. He lives in a custom

yacht and does not give an F about any RTO. Wow. So it claims that his yacht made landfall, and this is like in the AWS update. Fake news. But it was digitally altered. It was fake news. Moving on. Coinbase and Kobe announced that Coinbase is acquiring Echo. Yes. Echo is an angelist-like platform for crypto. So they help groups of people in invest in different projects. Yep. They paid $375 million, and so you can think of this as effectively a $400 million. Yes.

Acquisition. It's such a creative way to get a little bit more attention on an acquisition. That would have been cool, but it wouldn't have had a narrative to it where people were like, this is crazy. Oh, it actually all makes sense now. So it was a really good Mission Impossible rip off the mask. Coinbase isn't actually crazy. They're not actually paying $25 million just for a podcast.

One of the most iconic quotes from a tech CEO of this. century from Chesky said, I was basically going room to room, just pouring out this stream of consciousness manifesto like Jack Kerouac writing on the road. I basically said, we're not just a vacation app. We're going to, um dash. We're going to be a platform, a community. What's funny is like I think of Airbnb as a community from like day one. What does community mean though? Like I met my co-founders on Airbnb. I met in YC. My pushback would be that maybe the last 10 times I've used Airbnb, it was to book a vacation rental. Yeah, yeah.

So, so. So, so. So, so. Yeah. I mean, also, once I was traveling and I was staying in an Airbnb in New York and it was very clear that the, uh, the owner of the house like, wanted to meet to me and like, I wanted to like make friends. And in that, in that context, I was like, uh, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't know.

Like I, I, I, I, I'm here on a business trip now. I kind of don't want to make a new friend. Um, you seem cool, but like, I'm good. Apparently, Anthropic spent 2.66 billion on Amazon Web Services in the first three quarters of 2025, around 100% of their estimated revenue. This article is implying that Anthropic has basically 0% margins, but it's possible that some of, like, they're paying to serve and run the models for customers, for API clients, but they're also training. You can now fundraise in Stripe Atlas. It's very cool. Stripe Atlas, generates. a significant amount. I forget the exact percentage, but a meaningful, I think,

double-digit percentage of all C-Corps created or created with Strait Battlis. I built this product at Party Round, and it's very useful. It's not a great business, but it makes sense to, you know, tie it into the Stripeak ecosystem. Let me tell you about TurboPuffer,

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the scope of live player action expands. Thinking of tech companies as nations. Yes. If you start thinking of Open AI in the context of like a nation state, and the nation state is saying, like, we're going to need trillions of dollars, we're going to need a huge amount of energy, and yes, it's going to be distributed all over.

It's not that crazy for, you know, a country to be saying, like we need to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on, it's like a digital nation state. It still feels like the U.S. government is at the top of the stack and the tech companies answer to the U.S. government. But I do wonder if there's some element of flipping that will happen at some point or has already happened. Like, did you know that Walmart spends more money than the United Nations? Isn't that remarkable?

Did you see this picture? It looks like somebody found them filming the Open AI. Is this real or is this just someone dressed up as Ili? Chatchipit 21 says this movie's going to be sick and it looks like Joseph Gordon Levitt Oh you think so? He's supposedly playing Ilya Yeah maybe Oh it does look like him

He's playing Ilya It would make sense that they would film in San Francisco Anyway wild Wilde wild going to be a good movie Hopefully it pumps some people up We'll see it's probably going to be a brutal hippies I wonder if we're going to see any releases of who's playing Rune I would love to know who's playing Rune

Let's play the Apple video Every Story you love Is this a new Mac, MacBook Pro? Is that where we're getting? I don't know. It seems just like a pro-Apple creativity vibe real. It's a Mac ad, John. It's a Mac ad.

It hits extremely emotionally because that ad is voiced by Jane Goodall, who passed away on October 1st of this year. She was, of course, the British primatologist. She studied monkeys. She studied chimpanzees. Warren Buffett missed out on 50, billion dollars in profits by selling Apple too early. Barron's calculated that he sold $650 million, shares at an estimated price of $185. Now they're at $263. He might have made more money than any

investment manager ever with that trade. And it was sort of a narrative violation because he's often bought these low PE ratio stocks and not stayed out of technology and just generally stayed out of technology. Of course, Apple kind of violated them both, but it was a fantastic success. Crazy because I remember when the trade war hit the tariffs, Liberation Day, everyone was like, oh, Buffett is a genius, right? He looked so smart for selling when he did, and then, of course, ripped back up because nothing ever happened. Nothing ever happens. Absolutely remarkable day. Well, thank you to everyone in the chat. Thank you to everyone who's listening and supporting us. Can't wait for tomorrow.

We will see you tomorrow. Have a great evening.