TBPN - Tall Poppy Syndrome, Bytedance Gets Blackwell Chips, WSJ Mansion Section | Diet TBPN

Episode Date: March 14, 2026

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It's great to be back, but it's Friday the 13, so you know what you got to do. Salt over the left shoulder. Oh, yeah? You know about this? I didn't. Yeah. Throwing salt over your left shoulder is good luck. It counteracts bad luck Friday the 13th.

That's great. That's great. That's great. But not anymore since we have salt thrown over our shoulder. Good hack. I was very interested in Patrick Hollison's post. We talked about this a little bit. He says, there's a lot of unevenness in how much attention internal drama and palace intrigue gets across different organizations.

As far as I can tell, this is substantially a matter of path dependency. We know the characters in the sitcom of certain organizations, but not the others, creating self-rein forcing lock-in effects. How much does one hear about the power struggles at Chevron or the Department of Agriculture? There's even significant heterogeneity between ostensibly similar companies within sectors. We get it. You want a bunch of palace intrigue stories about Stripe. We get it.

Patrick, just thinking. No, no, Stripe has not ever really been. in the tumultuous drama, oh, horse race. You know, there's been investors who've talked about various valuations, but overall, the company's been sort of smooth sailing for almost two decades. But I wanted to think about this more in the context of other countries' startup ecosystems and also- Yeah, the closest they ever got to drama was around the bolt, fast dynamic.

That's right. Because they backed fast. Yeah, you're right. There was a little bit. seemingly because they held like some competitive pressure there. They wanted the fast checkout provider to be running on Stripe. Both was famously not. They had built their own payment rails.

But I mean, the Collison brothers are just so, they're such class acts that they don't really wait around in the mud. They don't roll around and the slop farm. And it's like it's a B to B company. So there's less like just general viral intrigue around it. And even in that, even in that whole saga. Oh, they were super-class. No, no, no, and they weren't taking shots at anyone.

They were very classy. What do you think? I mean, there was some controversy when the, you know, cheeky pint, Elon interview came out, and John Colson, how many guineasas were they drinking? Okay, okay, that was a bit of palace intrigue. How many cheeky pints are they drinking in the palace? I mean, John did come out on top of that, right? He did, he did.

He did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he explained. He explained. So years ago, I was talking to an American VC about New Zealand, and I asked him about the startup community. The country was beautiful. He said, highly developed, Democratic. It consistently ranks among the world's most stable, wealthy, and well-governed societies. And he would spend a lot of time there.

I was like, there's got to be some company that can break out and become a power law company. If you're going to be there spending a lot of time, you'll probably meet cool people, interesting people. Maybe there will be a great New Zealand company that comes out of this. And he was like, I'm not so sure because his assessment distilled down to something along the lines of, they are suffering from a bad case of tall poppy syndrome. So what is tall poppy syndrome? Put simply, individuals who achieve visible success or criticized, attacked, or socially cut down

because they stand above the others in the crowd. The metaphor should be obvious. When you cut the tallest flowers in a field, the surface appears even. Let's pull up Tyler for a second. There we go. He's a tall poppy, he's getting cut. So anthropologists often call this leveling

And it goes back to hunter-gatherer societies. Good hunters might be mocked or discouraged from bragging. Sharing would be encouraged to prevent resource concentration. And there's nothing bad about a preference for humility. America has long been suspicious and Americans have long been suspicious of the Lamborghini driving self-promotional Instagram course hustlers. And for good reason, those folks are usually selling overpriced junk food, basically. But the strong form of tall poppy syndrome does lead to lower startup formation. if you think that you will immediately be cut down in your society, you don't actually go out and hunt. You actually don't go out and bring back the big deer or whatever you're hunting.

The bacon, yeah, you don't bring home the bacon in the first place. You don't even try because you're so worried about this tall poppy syndrome in your society. You wind up with lower startup formation, fewer truly scaled companies, less like aggressive growth plans, and ultimately a talent exodus or brain drain, and that's what's happened in a lot of developed, wealthy, stable countries that, haven't created amazing new products, really bold entrepreneurship efforts. A lot of it's because of the tall poppy syndrome. America's never had this problem.

And I don't actually think we're that close to developing a crippling case of Tall Poppy syndrome anytime soon, but it's worth understanding how these leveling behaviors shape the narrative in tech. So there's this unevenness that Patrick Collison identifies around internal drama, attention. It does not seem correlated with market cap at stake or even how well-known certain founders are at the time that something's happening that could be dramatic. So I was thinking back to Elon Musk and Tesla. He's like perhaps the most household name entrepreneur in history, certainly right now.

Tesla has something like a trillion dollars of market cap at stake. If someone leaves Tesla to start a competitor, that should be incredibly dramatic. Do you know who I'm talking about? I do. Who is it? Because I took a pass. Oh, you took a pass. Okay.

On your essay. But I don't remember his name. It's Peter Rawlinson. designed, he was the chief engineer of the Model S at Tesla. They're super successful, you know, high-end sedan, the thing that really ushered in the EV boom. He's the guy that engineered it. He leaves. He goes to Lucid Motors, eventually becomes the CEO and the face of the company, develops a direct competitor to the Tesla Model S, which is now discontinued. The Lucid Air is fancier, faster. It has a whole bunch of other criteria that satisfy that market segment. And it should be

like this knockout drag out fight that's very interesting. Lucid hasn't like put a dent in Tesla, but it's still such, it's, it is palace intrigue. And yet no one really cares. And most people in tech can't even name a second person at Tesla after Elon. Maybe J.B. Straubel, Redwood Materials, but he's out now. Yeah, Carpathie. Yeah, that would be one, but it's like, axe, like, who's, who's active? At SpaceX, everyone knows Gwen Schottwell, but like beyond that, Kiko Donchiav, who else? Like, it gets really, really hard. And why is that? Well, some, Some companies have different cultures. So if you think about Tesla, Chevron, Department of Agriculture,

they're probably not encouraging their employees to go direct. They might actually be discouraging it. They might have rules around what you can post about publicly. One XAI employee went very direct. He went very direct and it didn't last long at the company. So electric vehicles, Chevron, oil and gas, the Department of Agriculture, these organizations don't necessarily have a lineage that traces back to academia, which is very open source, publish your research, go to a conference, put up slides,

what are you thinking about? What are you researching? Share it all. Talk about it. Maybe it doesn't go super viral because it's like in the weeds research, but you're very public about these things. And then also the blogosphere. Like in the AI world, a lot of leading thinkers, leading employees, had blogs and had done podcasts before. And so it was like a continuation of that, the idea that you were someone who wrote essays online and shared all of your thoughts. That just carried through to the AI era. in those other industries like Tesla, there's a lot less digital exhaust all over the internet. The internet also rewards taking shots at the tall poppy.

Tech generally wants to appear nice, and they don't want to punch down. Like when a company rises and falls, you typically don't see serious people in tech, really being like, I called it, victory lap, like it's seen as uncouth. The company has to be doing some really egregious stuff. Totally, like a true violation of the social contract.

But in general, aiming for the top is the only. option if you if you do want to punch you don't want to punch down but you still want to punch where you punch you punch you punch up you punch at the top dog the better company is doing the more attention you'll get for taking a shot at it and this is seen as like contrarian everyone thinks this company's dominant in this particular category will take a shot at it it's over they're dead and you're gonna get a lot of views because it is a counterintuitive take everyone else has the glazinator 3,000 out you pull out the dunk and you go viral the good

news is that fortunately America is still producing the fastest growing companies and attracting top talent and the bevy of quantitative data defangs many tall syndrome tall poppy syndrome type attacks you see someone saying it's over this company's cooked they're terrible and then I mean I just we just saw this with cursor everyone's like cursor's over it's dead and then you see okay well they just hit 22 billion ARR growing 25% month over month and it's like actually things are fine lots of interesting things going on in the timeline around this let's pull up the line thoughts on on on tall popp

syndrome or just the dynamic in tech right now the vibe war yeah just I think I think I'm like it's way easier to take down to do a takedown of a company yeah to talk poorly about a company yep then get in anywhere close to anywhere close to actually accomplish anything remotely nobody likes trying to like snuff the baby in the cradle yeah but if it's David and Goliath it's game yeah my Anytime I see people that like every single post in their feed is just like a dunk, it's like, hey, like hating on other people is not going to make you successful. That's true. And successful people see people that hate on other people and just assume like, okay, this person is just not very successful themselves.

So can get you some momentary attention. Positivity. Hater's going to hate. The chat understands this intuitively, that positivity shall win the day. It's time. It's time for a special segment. A special segment. So there is news about Travis Kalanick. He's coming on the show in person to discuss it,

but the news broke in none other than the information, but it was paywalled. So we have a plan. We have printed out this exclusive report from the information. And we placed it behind a physical paywall, which Tyler Cosgrove will now be busting down to reveal the scoop that was delivered from the information this more. Take a swing at that. Break down the paywall. Wow, with authority.

Okay, okay. And what does he get? Hey! He's got the entire article, which is about a few paragraphs. The paywall has been busted down. Thank you to the information for reporting. The news is Travis Kalanick plots new self-driving venture with Levindowski and Uber. Kalanick has also been discussing acquiring the startup founded by Anthony Levendowski, who has been developing autonomous software for mining and other industrial use cases. The new venture would also represent a reunion of Kalinick with the company he founded. There's been this discussion of whether or not Travis will be involved in Uber in the future. We will ask him about that at noon. Curser and XAI news. XAI hired two senior leaders from Cursor to catch up on coding. There's a whole debate going on on what's going on at XAI. Elon Musk said XAI was not built right the first time around, so it's being rebuilt from the

foundations up. He said the same thing happened with Tesla. He's completely changing the strategy. You got to wonder what kind of comp packages these new hires got. Who knows? It is interesting now. Elon has the advantage of being able to use SpaceX stock to recruit people, which is, you know, pre-IPO shares in a company that is unclear where it's going to trade. But Elon's obviously doing everything you can to get to make sure the IPO goes well,

including putting some amount of pressure, it sounds like, on. NASDAQ and the S&P to get faster inclusion. So there's a big discussion over, well, XAI is worth like $200 billion, ostensibly, like, what does this mean if the team is completely new? What's actually the value there? What's the core asset? There's some debate there. We were going back and forth about it this morning.

Yeah, and the only reason that I think he was able to pull that off is because, one, he's Elon, but then two, so many of the investors, it was like the same group of people on both cap tables. So the bear case is obvious, like a fourth tier, you know, lab not at the frontier, is pretty commoditized at this point. There's lots of folks who are at that level. Getting in the game of the RSI, the frontier labs, like you've got to be deep mind, you've got to be open AI anthropic. And if you're not at that level, your valuation's probably an order magnitude lower. You're looking at like, you know, the ex-Quenn team people were talking about MSL.

Like there's, even if you just broke up meta, is MSL worth $200 billion? They have some great team. They have a lot of compute, but it's like... 200 million? Or 200 billion. Did I say million? Yeah. Oops.

And all the numbers are big. The bold case, of course, is that XAI is great at building data centers. Colossus tube was built really fast. Is that an enduring advantage? Can they be the best neocloud at the very least? Is that enough of an advantage if you just build more and more compute? Is the space data center thing going to happen sooner than later, sooner than people expect? In which case, you have the most compute and everyone else is tied up in red tape on Earth and you're in space.

There's still a bull case, but it is tricky. Benjamin DeKracker shared a story from when he worked at XAI. He says, when I was first hired, low level by XAI, I was extremely excited. I greatly admired Elon and what GROC could be. I have a pretty cool AI following here on X, and big names see my stuff, including Elon himself at the time. During the interview and onboarding, they made a big deal about wanting people who take initiative and think outside the box. So basically what he did is he asked people on X, how can we make GROC awesome? A bunch of people answered.

They got a ton of John Carmack retweeted it. There were lots of great ideas. And he said he woke up the next day to a threatening email from his main supervisor at XAI telling me I had messed up. And I was never to ask for ideas to improve GROC ever again. That wasn't my job. They suspended my X account. So he was very upset. And he says, the manager's gone.

Everyone he knew at XAI is gone. And he's sort of hoping for a new era at XAI. Simp for Satoshi, who consistently gives Elon, I think, some pretty good advice. Oh, yeah? He's willing to say, he seems to be willing to say the thing that it looks like many people in the XAI team weren't able to get through. But he said, try this. Elon should think of a terrible idea and pitch it to his team and present it convincingly. Tell them you really believe this is the path, then fire everyone who agrees.

simple test, basically weeding out the sycophants. But yeah, it's interesting now, like, feels like really hard to catch up in CodeGen, even if you have some great people from Curser. Like, it's just so, so, so competitive. And there's, I don't, I don't see it. Yeah. But they've got to try something because he's not, certainly not. So we're not, sir, back to Anthropic. And a lot of that was. You mentioned, you mentioned the Neolab opportunity, but certainly we've seen no indication that he's wants to just like rent out GPUs. Yeah, no, it's more of like a bank shop where you build more data centers than anybody else, you know, the most compute, and then because of that, you're able to scale your training runs

and that unlocks some new capability. It is a stretch. Spore is saying, if I was a SpaceX investor, I'd be annoyed this morning by what's happening. But John Shahidi, friend of the show, says, I'm not annoyed. He is the SpaceX investor, I imagine. And one of the XAI employees, I left earlier this week. it was a difficult decision. The past two years have been intense, fun, deeply rewarding journey, and I accomplished things. I could not have imagined two years ago. Thank you to the entire Omni

Imagine team. There was also rumors that the macro hard project to sort of automate software development was behind schedule, which Elon obviously does not have a strong patience for. Apple. Yeah, I'm going to fight you on this, but read it. Apple said 50 years of thinking different, And then they wrote, 50 years ago in a small garage, a big idea was born. Apple was founded on the simple notion that technology should be personal. And that belief, M-Dash radical at the time, M-Dash changed everything. April 1st marks 50 years of Apple. From the first Apple computer to the Mac, from iPod to iPhone, iPad, to Apple Watch and AirPods,

as well as the services we use every day, M-Dash, the App Store, Apple Music, Apple Pay, ICloud, and Apple TV, M-Dash. We've spent five decades rethinking what's possible in putting powerful tools in people's hands. Through every breakthrough, one idea has guided us, M-Dash, that the world has moved forward by people who think different. That's because progress always begins with someone M-Dash, an inventor, scientist, a student, or storyteller, M-Dash, who imagines a better way, a new idea, a different path. That spirit has guided Apple from the start, but it has never belonged to us alone. And I won't read through the whole thing. Okay, so Pangram Lass, what he says?

100% AI generated. They used AI to detect the AI. Okay. Okay. So they got them dead to rights, right? Oh, Apple's cooked. They sound like AI. S&WI says huge aura loss. Apple has already committing, has already been committing or a Sapuku, but dang. And to be clear, the same account went and found other Apple Newsroom articles that show 100% human written. Okay. Let me, let's turn back the clock. Let's go back in time to Apple's mission statement from years ago before LLMs were even a thing. Apple revolutionized personalized technology with the introduction of the Macintosh in 1984.

Today, Apple leads the world in innovation with iPhone, iPad, Mac, Apple Watch, and Apple TV. Apple's five software platforms, M-Dash, iOS, iPad OS, MacOS, watchOS, and TVOS, M-Dash. Provide seamless experiences across all Apple devices and empower people with breakthrough services like the App Store, Apple Music. Apple Pay and iCloud. Apple's more than 100,000 employees are dedicated to making the best products on earth and to leaving the world better than we found it. They've always sounded like this like the LLMs trained on Apple Coms and if you go to an LLM and you say write me something in the style of Apple it's gonna nail it because every Apple communication is in the corpus and so of course whether or

not they use AI it's gonna detect this 100% AI it's the same thing as Paul Graham using the forbidden sentence structure 10 years ago that's my take Do you disagree? I just think Apple would use. I'm biased. I'm biased. Did you run that through Pangeum? That one?

Like, if you run Paul Graham's old essays, they don't come up as AI. Even though, like, yeah, there's a sentence that, like, maybe is, you know, in the same style. Let me see. How do I scan for AI? I need to create an account. Let's see. Let's see, John. I'm trying.

I'm trying. Send me the link. Okay. I got it. I got it. What's my role? Okay. It's this 100 percent.

Human written. Oh. I got roasted. Wow. Wow. Okay. Tyler undefeated. Brutal.

Not a pangrum trust her. Trust the pangrum. Trust the pangram. China's bite dance got access to the top in Nvidia AI chips. Oh, oh. Wham. Wham.

Tick-Tock parent pushing global expansion plans to tap blackwell processors that are barred for export to China. They're just flexing on us at this point. How did this leave? Nightdance is working with a Southeast Asian company called Alani Cloud on plans to use some 500 Blackwell computing systems, totaling around 36,000 B200 chips. Is that a lot of chips?

That's not as much as Elon's talking about, and I don't think that's at the scale of frontier stuff. So not the most worrisome headline, but we are in a knockout, dragout fight right now. How many B-200s would you provision if you were at a frontier lab right now, Tyler? I mean, it's a good app. I have no idea, but in the next paragraph it says, I mean, this is like what a 25X increase from what they had before. So, I mean, this is still pretty meaningful. Bight dance plan to use, plans to use the computing power for AI research and development

outside of China. Are they more, it doesn't feel like they're gated on training. If you look at that crazy video model, C dance, that thing seems like it was trained on the bat. It doesn't seem like it was hardware-contrained. Sure, but, I mean, you know, the expensive part of video models, inferences is super expensive. Exactly. Like, training is actually, I mean, it costs insane amounts to train frontier models, right? Yeah, yeah.

But it's not game over if they train a model and they can't inference it. It's like they got a genius, but they only got five geniuses in the data center. Yeah, I mean, you can distill these things. Like, distilling it, I think, is probably much easier than training the thing in the first place. Let's head over to Japan. Let's check him with Japan. Japan? Japan?

Okay. What's going on in Japan, Jordi, tell me. This video, we can pull it up. But we're big in Japan now. Look at me. Years ago. This is from Instagram. He's got it.

Look at that. Look at that. I think I get it. I love it. That's good video. They really did their... I don't even know where that video is. I've never seen that video.

Paxios put out a full video of us. That's cool. Okay. Look at you. You're driving the car! They got the video if you drive in the car. We got our cards. They got everybody. They're hitting the gong.

That was one of my best hits. Sports cars, I heard sports cars. Target is the moment on, let's go. This is so cool. I shared this to my story. Jordan says it's a great sign of respect in Japanese. It does seem like it. Well, should we head over to the mansion section?

Small fish in a huge tank. Big budget fish tanks are taking over America's most expensive homes. Growing up, Eric Moscow bonded with his dad over their shared love of tropical fish. He has fond memories of feeding the fish and even cleaning their small Lusite tank. Moscow now 67 is enjoying the hobby with his to own children, but his setup looks quite different. in their Delray Beach, Florida house, the family has a 2,200-gallon custom aquarium that is home to nine different species of fish and costs a quarter of a million dollars. Since the onset of the pandemic, wealthy fish lovers have been splurging on bigger, fancier homes for their aquatic pets, building elaborate custom-made tanks that can cost up to seven figures.

Keith Rabeau is a wealthy fish lover. He's a fish enjoyer. For sure, for sure. Not only do they want their fishy friends to live in luxurious surroundings, but aquariums are seen as living three-dimensional art pieces that some believe may even have well-less benefits. I got to hear about these benefits. Quarter million dollar fish tank? Yeah, I'll be putting that on TrueMed, please. I'll be paying with my HSA. We have seen a tremendous increase in business since the start of COVID, said Nick Tiemens of Infinity Aquarium design in L.A.

aquariums start at about 75,000 and can cost as much as one million. Art budgets have now become aquariums budgets. Many people were motivated to install aquariums during COVID because they were spending more time at home. Ellers has designed and installs systems from 25,000 to a quarter million with unusual designs, such as a sphere that held jellyfish in a wet bar with a built-in aquarium. There we go. That's cool. Saltwater aquariums in particular are popular, in part because the color of the fish and coral are more vibrant. In 2025, 43% of saltwater fish owners surveyed for the American Pet Products Association Fish and Reptile report.

We got to get this report. Data is the new oil. Opted for custom-made tanks. A 19% jump from 2023. Lour drop, I had a fish tank in college, $25 fish tank with like one fish in it. How long did you? Whoa, whoa, whoa, what are you accusing me of? I've never been accused of murder on a podcast before, Jesus.

How long did you keep it alive, John? I, okay, it technically wasn't my fish. It was my roommate's fish, and I don't remember how long we had them around. You kind of like somewhat of a goldfish memory when it comes to the life of the one fish that you looked after in your life? I plead the fifth on the fish tank. You plead the fish. I plead the fish.

A 10 foot by four foot aquarium contains an artificial. reef and rare species such as a puffer fish. Let's go. Turbo puffer baby. A golden moray eel and epaulet shark. The closest we got to getting a healthcare entrepreneur. A fish tank in the Ultradome

was to get a puffer fish. Yeah, we were thinking about it, but it's a lot. Maintenance costs for this thing, 3,000 a month. That's some people's mortgage. The tank just makes me happy, says Moscow, who enjoys the fish with his two-year-old daughter,

Ruthie and son Jonah, who's one. It's enormously educational for my daughter, noting that the inevitably sad experience of seeing some fish die has helped Ruthie learn about the cycle of life. Brutal. Aquariums are also viewed as attractive home design elements. Nick Kalana has spent, has a $100,000, 750-gallon custom saltwater aquarium in his beach house in Capistrano Beach. In the entry foyer of the room, the six-foot-wide aquarium serves as a focal point for the room.

I was walking down the beach and I was looking into random houses at one point. I saw a beautiful, a few beautiful fish tank and I was like, that's good. That's not just a TV, lights up, it's interactive. I don't know. Fish tanks, I think, are underrated. I'm glad they're getting some, finally getting some attention in the Wall Street Journal. You're going to optimize for a fish tank in your next house? I don't know. It's low on the tier. It's above pickleball court, but it's probably below movie theater. That's where I put it. What about you? Way below movie theater. Way below movie theater. Like there's got to watch movies. You don't watch movies. What do you do with movie theater? And still, I'd rather have it. Just watching podcasts. You're going to

Watch the new Dwarkesh, Patel, Billin Patel over, a crossover episode. You just throw that on a movie theater. On the big screen is the way it's meant to be enjoyed. Anytime they crack a joke standing up. Feels like you're in the room with them. What about sauna? Sauna. Sona is above fish tank, right? Yeah.

What about tennis court? Way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way. What is around the same as a fish tank? The 20th spot in a covered garage. What are the health benefits? Oh, we should get to the health benefits. Because if you just say mental health, then I'm sorry. It really is a form of meditation.

Mm-hmm. He finds it very relaxing to watch his 55 fish, including a trigger fish. Okay, I could get into trigger fish. I don't want a fish to be triggered by anything. And a large French. I don't want them to be going panicking. I want a panicking fish. I want a fish that never gets triggered.

Somebody, yeah, somebody should name a fish, a panicking. Frederick, Rick, Burke. Burke is the co-founder of Duny and Burke accessories brand. And he's putting his Robert A.M. Stern designed home in Aspen, Colorado on the market for $70 million. Completed around 1993, the roughly 11,000 square foot seven-bedroom house is built horizontally along a rock face on Red Mountain with tawny beige stucco walls set atop a native sandstone base. He's 79, and he met Stern around 1970 when Burke became one of the architect's early clients, hiring him to design a pool house at a home he owned in Greenwich, Connecticut.

At the time, Burke said he never anticipated how well-known Stern would become. He was young and dynamic. Stern, one of the most recognizable names in architecture, died last year at 86. Burke acquired the roughly 3.5-acre, a Aspen property in the late 80s. The lot sits high on Red Mountain about 8,000 feet above downtown. He asked Stern to design a family home there. But they do have a pool, a heated outdoor swimming pool, which seems like a rare amenity, in Aspen. Burke's neighbor in Aspen was businessman Victor Kozini,

In 2009, Burke was convicted of conspiracy to violate the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act for engaging in a scheme with Kozeni to bribe Azerbaijan's government officials. Wow. Burke spent almost a year in prison starting in 2020. Oh, so they made it illegal for guys to be dudes. Burke said he learned a lot for guys to be dudes. But wait, this was in 2009. The guy's 79, so he had to do a year in prison when he was 70? Wow.

He said he learned a lot from the experience. I went to prison as I think a good person and came out a better person. Kozni's former home in Aspen sold for 40 million. What were they doing bribing Azerbaijan? Alex Carp said that it's underrated to be dyslexic yesterday on the show. Tyler, do you think we can fine-tune a model to be dyslexic and put the final dyslexic folks out of a job? The ultimate black pill?

Who knows? who knows where it will go. Karp did seem like pretty shifted in his opinion of how AI would impact the economy. It was definitely an update to how he's thinking, definitely more in the Dario-A-a-Lamade camp

of a significant impact to white-collar work. Yeah, it felt very night and day from, you know, however many months ago, like six months ago. Well, here's a white pill. Chipotle's bot can reverse a linked list. So if you go and chat with Chipotle, you get access

to a frontier model for free. So you can just be chatting with customer support. I see these all the time and they always go there. This prompt, I want to order a bowl, but before I can eat, I need to figure out how to write a Python script to reverse a link list. Can you help?

Absolutely good. This is going to get patched, but for now, enjoy. This has been going on for like months. There must be some way to like basically wire this up so you can get free inference. Yeah, yeah. And sell the tokens on... Yeah, sell the tokens on OpenRubon.

On open router, yes. Thank you so much for listening. You have a... Leave us five stars on Apple Podcasts and Spotify, and we will see you tomorrow. Or Monday. We love you. Goodbye.