Tea at Four - Can anyone be Psychic? Energy Healer reveals how to unlock your hidden abilities

Episode Date: October 9, 2025

Energy Healer, Psychic and Medium, Katy Whyte joins Lauren and Billy today to unlock their inner magic. With Billy on the sceptic side, and Lauren as a believer, Katy helps us learn how to discover our spirit guides....Ever wondered if you could be low-key Psychic? Katy reveals the signs to look out for and the ways to improve your abilities. We also go through the power of manifestation and what people get wrong when trying to manifest themselves a life partner.Katy also shares what it's like to be a Medium when walking through busy areas like London train stations, and how unsettling hospitals can be. Give it a listen to understand how to use the power of manifestation to it's true potential...Send us your dilemmas, tea or quite frankly anything you find funny to [e-mail].💖 Watch on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@Teaatfourpod💖 Follow on TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@four.nine💖 Follow on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/fournine/?hl=en Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Everyone's psychic. Everyone can be a medium. I just picked up a load of dead people at the hospital that had been there and we're just like, cool person who's open. Let's go like see if we can get her attention. Oh no. Hey guys. Welcome back to T it 4. I'm Billy. And I'm Lauren and this is the podcast where we talk all things that normally stay in the group chat. And today we have a very exciting guest. Please give it up for Katie. Woo! Oh, sorry. I'm excited. But also known as a psychic witch. Welcome Katie.

Thank you. Thank you for joining us. This is really cool. Yeah, I'm very excited. I know we were just talking then about me being like a bit of a skeptic, but I'm open to learning today and maybe joining the ways of your culture. I thought you were going to say cult. Would you mind explaining a little bit about who you are and what you do? So I class myself as a psychic, an intuitive witch and an energy healer.

When I was younger, I had lots of experiences, which my parents. told me about them basically. And then I actually shut all of that stuff out in my life for a very long time. And it wasn't until 2007 when I was training in light beauty and holistic therapies and I went and had a reiki achievement. And basically it was a bit like opening up Pandora's box and all of the stuff started happening to me. And basically since 2007, I've been on this journey of working with energy frequency. It's evolved a lot over time. And yeah, that's me. And then that's my full-time job as well. So I'm kind of a full-time witch. And anything. a healer.

What a LinkedIn profile. Full-time witch. That's incredible. What did that look like when like you described like all these feelings and frequencies started coming back into your life? Yeah, it was interesting because where I was training at that time was in a very old building that was used as a hospital building in the war. So we did it there.

And then it was weird. I was going into like lectures and there was this one room every Tuesday I'd go in. And I started to think I was allergic to a food because my throat would close up. I couldn't swallow properly. It was really uncomfortable. I kept getting like, I would go beach root red because I was just so hot. I was just like, this isn't right. And one of the lecturers called me out one day and was like, come with me and took me into this other room.

I was like, look, basically you're being someone's trying to communicate with you. And I was like, what? She was like, have you noticed anything changing? I was like, well, I think I'm like having a bit of a breakdown because I started to like hear voices in rooms where there was no one else. and feel sensations and all these things. And you don't talk about it because you're like, they're gonna lock you up. You're gonna think you're crazy.

You're like, I hear the voices. She at the time basically just said, you wanna tell whoever it is, just very firmly to F off. And it stopped. So from then it was just really a journey of like working out what an earth was going on for me. Like I ended up going to like found mediumship circles

and like just books and bits like that and just found it. So it was quite lonely to be. honest to begin with. It was sort of like, yeah, literally it's like that whole persecution thing. They talk about the witch wound. It really is that kind of thing. And I'd been bullied a lot when I was younger as well. So I was like, I didn't want to add something else to the bucket of like, we know.

So yeah, that's kind of like how it was. But yeah, it was weird, sensations, voices, like I say, all kinds of kooky things. My gosh. You said that Reiki was almost kind of like this starting point. What is Reiki? So Reiki is basically, there's different versions of it as well now. So back then it's like you sue your age Reiki. So it's about using yourself as a channel for universal life force energy basically.

So you use your being to channel like energy to other people because we're basically, I don't know if you remember when you're at school had all the boxes that you draw solid liquid and gas in. So all the particles all vibrating and everything and they're just different densities. So basically we are all energy like all of us in our meat suits, all energy. But our mind obviously creates the separation. Right. So then when you're channeling this energy, you basically help move stagnant energy through people. So this is where sometimes the word healing, I even feel some resistance to the word healing,

because I don't believe we are healing someone. Like people are healing themselves. It's just we are moving energy that's sitting. Like I always think nature's like our best teacher. Like if you have a pond or a river and it stops moving and flowing, like see that as the energy, it basically becomes stagnant, doesn't it? And if it's stagnant, rotten, stinky, nothing can throw. thrive will live in that. And that basically is what happens in areas of us. Like energy can sit stagnant,

whether that's emotions, whether they're ours or not. Because again, our being is like Velcro and we're like brushing past people day and day out or even like, you know, when you're having road rage and you like say something at someone, you're basically psychically attacking them. Like your words are energy and stuff like that. So sometimes you might experience like a headache, a feeling in your body or things like that. And you can actually get rid of it. very quickly by going, is this even mine? And just listen to the first answer that comes to you, yes or no. If it's not yours, just send it away because it's not, it's just an energy that's in

your being so you can get rid of it. Is it similar to like chakras or? Yeah, chakras. Some people use that like energy system. I think, again, it's sort of depending on what religion and things like that. Some religions are like, I don't believe in chakras and all that kind of thing. Different chakras are like energy points within the body. Again, it's just kind of gets your human on board with something.

that's invisible and enables something to have a structure. I think my mum had it done once or she had something similar and I think Reiki or had her chakras aligned. Yeah. She said that she was like stood like you stood there and then someone was like moving hands and she said like oh no it was around her front here I think she said and she was like oh you built up or tension and she was like no I'm fine like this didn't couldn't think of anything and they were just like I'm just going to like release something and all

of a sudden she felt like the world would rain out of her and she burst into like floods of tears. Yeah. You hear about that happening but I just I just can't imagine well actually it has happened to me and it is all about like like for example sorry I don't know if this is a trauma dump but like I went through like two years of therapy and I'd kind of recount the things that had happened to me almost like a script and then I went to like a retreat where it was a lot about kind of before you're talking about your trauma, you're getting your body in a very calm and a very open place so that you can kind of access those feelings to feel and then heal. And within this one session, I remember just like doing that whole thing and like,

and just crying and not being able to stop. And it was amazing. It was cathartic. But like the difference between not being in the right place energy wise versus being in the right place energy wise is so powerful. Because it's all about our perception as well. Like if we're connected to our own energy and like actually really know what is or isn't ours, you can then differentiate like when you've had a bad day where it's like actually is this mine or am I just carrying around other people's thoughts, projections.

Because again, from the minute like I say you're a child, you come into this world, you're like, I don't want to say the word pure, but you haven't got all of that stuff. But generally you come here is a fairly clean slate in theory in this like avatar or meat suit. And then sorry. I say meat suit. And then I'm like, some people don't like that way. So maybe I'll go, uh, avatar, human.

Your parents, they like put their beliefs on you. And then you go to school and then you've got friends. And it's like everyone has their own stuff. And then basically everyone goes into protection mode, isn't it? It's like your natural instinct is to want to be part of the group. You want to be loved. You want to feel those things. So then you like take on board what everyone says.

But sometimes it's like, that's not what you believe. It's not right for you. Like it's no different. If someone's like, do you want to do something and you like kind of go, oh, I don't want you feel in your body that you're like, oh, no, I don't want to do that. then you're like, I should, I need to, I have to. It's kind of the same thing. And you then carry all of that.

And it kind of moulds who you become. And some of the time you're like, actually, I thought this is what I want, which then ties to the whole manifestation thing. People are chasing things that they think they want. But actually it's based on what everyone else's desires are. So then are you going after things from a lax potential or a desired potential? And yeah, it's a whole thing. Yeah.

So you speak a lot on your socials about using spirit guides to help understand. maybe what you want out of life and like tune into your own energies. Could you just speak a little bit more about that? Well, I believe in lots of different beings. Like I know some people's school of thought is there's just like us or people who are ancestors and things like that. I personally believe in like the universe is quite vast. There are lots of other things out there from Eat East, all kinds of beings.

So when I talk about spirit guides, it doesn't necessarily just mean it's your Aunt Bessie who like or someone down your lineage that you don't know. Like spirit guides or angels or anything like that. sometimes people or beings that will come to you to help you with a specific area of your life. So you'd call someone forward that would be able to support you that. But I definitely believe you have like certain beings that are around you from like birth and can support you in your energy. And you can like connect with them, which is a comforting thing. I definitely think because a lot of people have that perception of like life and death and like it ending.

Whereas again, when you're connecting with other beings, you realize that there's so much more that when like, this is over, you actually live on just in a different form because energy can't ever be, like physics shows energy can't end, it just transforms. So really, these beings are just energy in a different form. Would you not get scared of like calling forth maybe like a malevolent being or like some like nasty form of energy? So I see it as energy like in the same way as a human. If a rotten person came to your front door, would you let them in? No, you just shut the door. Right. You would just be like, no, because it's, this is the thing like if everything's energy and your thoughts are energy and your words are energy

therefore what you state and your intention gets to be your law gets to be your truth so you want to be very intentional if you go into something and you're just like also if you're fearful you're then creating the fear so then you're more likely to call something like that in which i think is where sometimes people are like you must protect your energy you must do that and they do it from a very like fearful energy of like making people worry that there's something bad whereas if you're like I am calling in beings that are just for my highest good. I am in my safe space and you're very intentional about that. Like that is what comes.

Like I have never had anything come in that's bad or like anything like that. And I see beings that are trust me. They're really fuddly. And I've had experiences where like I've been working with like different spirits and being like aware that there was someone in my space and be like, come on then. Because as a child I used to see things a lot. My parents would talk about how I would see things coming out of the walls and they wouldn't always look like people and all kinds of stuff.

But like even like about 18 months ago, I nearly killed my husband accidentally on the bedside cabinet. I'd been asking this being that I hadn't seen. I was aware of them. I could hear them and things, but I was like, come on, just show me.

And I wasn't very specific about when to come to me. So I woke up in the middle of the night and this being was just over my bed. And they were not pretty. And I screamed so loud like. It basically was kind of, human in body but elongated, let's say, like stretched out and like face kind of melted. Because what we see is a blend of what our mind will allow us to see. So it's not necessarily, that's not necessarily what it looked like.

So there was an element of my conditioning around horror movies, scary things, projecting slightly what it looked like. And when they come in, they are trying to share with us what they look like. But because again, the thing is like, when people think of angels, they're like, ooh, winged beings. and they look like this. And it's like, no, they might not. They might like look like anything. Greg bless him, that's my husband, like literally like woke up, like hit his head on the best side of him.

Oh, no. Because I scream so loud like the neighbours next door heard. I was so scared. And I'm used to this stuff, but in the night, in the dark. Yeah, that's not when you want it. No. I was like, I was like, oh, but I didn't say come only in the daytime or we're in meditation. So, lesson land.

You've asked to someone to come forward. Is it to give a message? Is it a gut feeling? Is it like a sense you're going the right way? Sometimes I go asking for a specific guidance like, oh, I'm feeling a bit lost right now. Can you give me like guidance on where I'm stuck or something like that? And they'll give me like little nuggets because I see here for your spirit.

Yeah. Like which I believe like you everyone can do that. Like everyone's psychic. Everyone can be a medium. Everyone can be a bridge to like spirit. I know other people would think, no, you can't do that. but we all come here, we're all energy, so we all have access. It depends how open you are to it.

Because some people, if you're scared, you're going to be closed off to that and not want to do that. Whereas if you want to be open, you can connect to that. That's my belief anyway. And I've been to circles where people have come, being very skeptical and thought this isn't going to be for me. And then they've been receiving messages and they give really good evidence and all of those kind of things. I feel like energy wise, I'm very divinely protected. And I don't know what it is, but I've always felt it. And I feel like I am quite open about it, but I never feel like I can be in too awful a position because there's almost like a bubble around me.

And I don't know if that's something like my mummy always used to say it like, like, ask her angels, ask her angels. It's always been in my kind of immediate thinking. So I don't know. What about you? Do you feel anything? Well, we always, when we try to get glassabry tickets, we always like a can. and always say, come on Nans, you can do it. We do do that.

Is that the same or? Is it getting wires crossed? It's very. Like, it can be a thing asking to see if they'll line things up. But also the energy that you're going into that with, please get the tickets. You're literally them repelling it, which is the interesting thing. It's quite satanic as well.

Like, the way we were going bad, it was so good. It was a bit scary, actually. I think that's brilliant. But your intention was pure So it's fine You weren't like Hey I'll swap my soul at the crossroads To do that kind of thing

Which maybe you would But like hey So anyone can connect to their guides Mainly it's through I would say Like I can take you through that if you like Like people Depends how open you are

Obviously you're very open to it It's like different sensations That you might feel in your body Or you might hear something So I take you through like Scanning your body So you know what your body feels like now, because you might not be aware if you've got aches or pains or a tummy ache,

and then you might be like, suddenly notice that and be like, is that my guide giving me like bowel movements? No, they were there before. Like that kind of thing. Yeah. So I don't know. You open to. Yeah.

What now? Yeah. Don't worry. How do it's getting on? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Do you have to ground up here on the floor. Yeah, I was going to say put your feet, like, flat on the floor.

So you can like be really grounded and centered. So I'm just going to get you to close your eyes. so you can like focus on your energy and your being and then I'm going to get you to take your attention to the top of your head and just be aware of any maybe sensations, warmth, tingling and then I'm going to get you to scan down your body, focusing like maybe on your forehead, just maybe noticing if there's any tightness there

and then down your brows, the side of your face, your jaw. You might notice if the tongue's on the top of your mouth and then going down your shoulders, down your body. If you're noticing anything as you go down, all the way down to your glutes and down your legs into the ground and just placing your attention there at the bottom of your feet for a moment and then I'm going to get you to focus on your heart space this would be like the heart chakra but it's basically the space around your chest and then I'm going to get you to in your mind or out loud just state that you are surrounded by white light and you are protected and you're only calling an energy that is here for your highest good and then I want you to like imagine a bubble expanding out from your heart space until it's like a foot around your body. And then when you're ready, I'm going to get you very intentionally to ask one being, or if you prefer a loved one, if that makes you feel more comfortable to come forward and just notice if you feel a sensation, a name,

if someone pops to your mind, if you're feeling really brave, you can also be very specific and ask them to touch you. Some are very specific and notice if you feel anything. And then when you're ready, just say thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. And your mind are out loud. And then just come back. Anything and everything? I don't know. I think I was so on edge about being watched.

I was like, you were very tense. You're like, it is much easier to do it when you're on your own because you can then just like take your time. And also like in the space room, I wasn't about like with people. I'd take like 20 minutes where you'd sit and you'd be in that bubble for a lot longer being peaceful, like really aware of like the small sounds, the sensations. But you could take yourself through that process. I noticed, whereas you smiled, which might be because you felt uncomfortable or it might even because you got something. No, I love doing stuff like that.

And I feel like I get the same kind of, um, like, buzzy feeling. Yeah. Like when you're meditating or something like that, I felt like, I don't know, like pressure on my arm. Yeah. Almost like someone was doing this to me, which was nice. And whether that is that or not, because I know it's hard to achieve in like a minute, I don't know.

I just, it's nice to reaffirm the feeling I have. then you can like play with that when you're at home and you're or if you're on your own at any time or any times you're feeling late like just play with that like take yourself into that peaceful space and like say just set the intention of like only like one person at a time so you don't get overwhelmed with like a whole troop of people showing up because if there's a row of people on the other side they'll be like hey and then that can be quite overwhelming for your energy yeah and then just like highest good that like caveats anything of like who can come to you and then just sit there and then like you've just there is an element of trust because it's invisible. isn't it? So just like asking very specific questions, even of like, what are you or who are you? And just trust that like first words. Like you obviously were just like, my angels and everything. And also if that's what you believe,

that's also what you create. That's how I believe energy works as well. I'm very open to doing it again probably like maybe on my own. Of course. It was very relaxing. Did you feel anything or just like realized how tense you were? I felt empty. like in terms of like I thought I had a headache beforehand and then as I like did the whole process of like

analysing every part it was almost like there was nothing inside of me or like everything was just like like a shell what does that mean no that's not bad because also one if you know thought you had a headache and then it went away when you were like scanning your energy I would say then and you were pushing it down to earth therefore you were clearing any stagnant energy so that headache as I was saying before earlier was that just like the chaos of how you got to work today and other people's stuff and its emotions and actually you could just get rid of it like that rather than sitting there with a headache.

That would clear up a lot of problems for me because I always get headaches. You should do that. And I think it's like what you say about that kind of chaos of like other people's energy. Yeah, and just carrying stuff. And then the tension and stuff, obviously even if your jaws clenched to get a headache and stuff.

So like those basic things can really impact our energy and our way of being. But yeah, just if you got a headache, I would always say, ask, is this even mine? And if you get like that little voice in your head or that gut feeling of like, no, just be like, okay, I send that back to Sender. Like I say, maybe you bumped into someone on the tube

and they're like, mm, they did that. They've like projected that into your field and then you're holding onto that and stuff. I'm going to project so many headaches to people when they cut me up. When they cut me up on the sidewalk or the pavements, you're getting a headache. Psychics, let's right in the end up.

You shouldn't have told me that. So obviously in that instance, with like, with us, shutting our eyes and like you kind of visualise something coming forward with your kind of psychic abilities that you have um when you ask your spirit to come forth uh and it's like say an angel or like a family member that's maybe past if you're looking for a thing from that can you see them yeah so i like see beings in my like mine's eye i've never seen i believe apparitions are like really rare you know like when you see in films like at chores if they like go running around and

stuff. So I see people in my mind's eye. So like sometimes if I, so I used to do medium shit readings for people, but I stopped for various reasons. But like I would be able to like see what someone looked like and then could describe them to someone. And the same happens with my team. But most of the time I can hear it's like a voice in my head, but I know it's not my voice. Because you know like when you've got that internal dialogue and you're chatting about a thing. It's like that, but it feels different. Or like I get sensations in my body. So say if someone, when I do readings, like someone had passed say they'd had a heart attack, I'd get like a feeling in my chest. So I could say or did they pass from a heart attack or they passed from a heart attack?

Because I could feel that. So it's kind of like evidence because that's how you tend to find out when someone's legit. Because there's lots of people, especially in social media now doing, I do this and that, like, evidence is key. If they're just saying, I've got this person with me and then they're not able to give you specific evidence around that person, whether it's their looks, their traits, like things that only you would know. so like discernment is definitely key because there's lots of people out there being like oh yeah and they just give you the most vague generic stuff and things like that

that's why I think I'm like on the skeptic side because I want to believe in it but you see all these kind of like horror stories of like people reading old GoFundMe pages about people that they're lost or about like ailments and stuff and it just feels like it's kind of like a really vicious way to like monetise

of people in their sorrows. But I'm like open to learning more about it, I think. Yeah. Can I ask why you stopped doing readings? I got to their place where I would like, because again, people are really keen. They're often like coming because there is a healing aspect of it. People come and it's for grief and they get that like either comfort that like life doesn't end.

So then they feel comfort that they can call that person or talk to that person still. But I noticed also that some people get caught in that loop of them. they constantly want to come back and they constantly want to connect with that person. And actually, I don't know if that, it just didn't start to resonate with, is this actually helping these people move on and heal? And I didn't like adding to the fact that someone then might not be moving on or healing or it not being, it just didn't feel aligned anymore for me and things like that. So I don't do mediumship in the traditional way of,

hey, come talk to me, I'll connect to a loved one and give you a message. Because actually, most people are doing it from a state of, Like, they're either really sad or desperate. And I don't know, it's not that I think it's bad if people do that. There are some people do it and they're really an integrity. But yeah, I think it's like very nuanced and a fine line. And it just didn't sit right with me anymore personally. That's valid.

Yeah, that's very fair. Yeah. I would love to ask a bit more we spoke on the phone about manifestation. Which is something I feel like I practice a lot. Billy's a little bit more. Well, every time I've manifested something, it didn't happen. Yes, but that's because you might be doing it wrong. But then this is the thing.

Like I read the law of attraction a few years ago. Yeah. And you can sometimes think you're doing it right. But there are the little nuances that can mean that you are doing the opposite of what you're intending to do. So, for example, Billy, like something I listened to in the book, it was like if you're looking to date someone, you should like be creating a space in like the bed so that they're there. Or like if you live in a house with a driveway, like leave a spot in the driveway to make room for this husband. going to come into the house when you're not there or like if you want an imaginary boyfriend that's your answer for me it's supposed to be way more effective and my imaginary car because I can't drive

or have a driver license and you made a really good point about the fact that we think that we're doing manifestation the right way but it's not a one size fits all so if I'm imagining this situation where I'm you know leaving a space on the driveway I don't even have a driveway like you Or, I don't know, could you explain it a little bit better? So I believe, like, manifestation, we are manifesting constantly. It's just, and this is the bit where people meet resistance to it because we have to take responsibility for what we're creating. Because if our thoughts, everything is energy, then everything we're having.

So you, for example, if you're saying, like, I'm trying to manifest another half, you focusing on wanting another half all the time actually is a lack state because you're like, I don't have it, therefore I want it. So then in theory you're in a different frequency where actually you're then creating more of that state of the I don't have it state. And so your reality, you are manifesting, you're manifesting I don't have. And like that's what you're creating from it. If you see what I mean. We were kind of talking about one of our friends earlier who was saying that they have really bad energy and they was talking about.

With love. With love or like just being like accident prone and stuff like that. It's kind of the mindset when people say they're unlucky and a lot of bad things consecutively happen to them and kind of saying that out loud and kind of almost anticipating the next time something's going to go wrong for that. And claiming that title of I'm the unluckiest person in the world. Congratulations, you shall be. Your words can cast blessings or curses basically. Do you want to create blessings or curses in your life by saying or it's like if you're like date and you go, I always only date weirdos. I only get the weirdos coming to me or something like that.

It's like, if you're saying that, that's what you're going to get because that's what you're basically focused on. Yeah. So I see it is like a bit like like a fire, you know, like you've got to give oxygen to the fire to make it go. It's just like, which fire do you want? Do you want a lack fire or an abundant fire? So weird like you're manifesting.

Yes, I believe in thinking about the end state. So like you say, you can think of like the space on the driveway or something like that. But I would go further beyond because if you personally can't connect that because you don't have the driveway or you don't have the car so it's feel. a bit like empty like you've really got to be able to like fear it feel it and like feel that shift in your being yeah that ends you know like when if you were someone said to you like think about like chewing on a lemon and how you'd be like most of the time your mouth goes funny thinking about like

the taste of it and all of that you want to create that same sort of sensation in your body with the end state and people will think it's mad but maybe think about the wedding day or the like something way further down the line because if you're getting married that means you already have the other half i plan my wedding to everyone I see on the train. He's doing it this morning. Yeah. I was like...

How's your boyfriend then? I don't know. He should be it. It's picking me up soon. He's waiting on the drive way, actually. But it's that holding then the space in between. That's the thing because everyone kind of goes, oh, I'm manifest for that, like, that one day of the month.

They think, oh, I'm really, they go, actually, I'm feeling lonely. I do want someone. So you're instantly going into that, like, lack energy, not intentionally. And that's when then you think about the person you want. Whereas again, thinking about more the values, the feeling, rather than the specifics, if you can think about the feeling, that's what shifts your energy and frequency. So you want to think about like, you want to have someone that you have amazing connection with and the conversations rather than the he must be like or she must be like, have a height and talk,

like those things that we classically go like, I want them to have a car to park on my driveway. Like maybe they're not meant to have that. So I'd be thinking about how you want to feel in that relationship and notice how you literally feel. if you end up when you're thinking about that and creating that in your imagination, like you would as a child, if you feel your being, then like you can't know it's like, you're smiling and you're like, oh, this feels so good. Like you've shifted your state. You've shifted into that desired state.

And you want to do that, play with that, like, of like how this person makes me feel and all of that, rather than sitting there and doing your gratitude. I'm so grateful for this. But actually, if you don't feel it, you're not actually shifting your vibrational frequency into the version of you that will then call that. Because I believe you're then a bit like, it's like magnets. If you're in your desire state, in the frequency, you will attract the frequency that is meant for you, basically.

Yeah. Maybe I am manifesting all the time then. I think you are. Because we always call it, what do we call it? What do we call it? What? A mine palace. Oh, yeah.

Always have a mind palace. Like, all of like daydreaming, like, I sit in my daydreams so much that it's kind of like, makes me feel loved. Yeah. Yeah. But that's perfect because you're basically naturally. shifting your frequency and your energy. You're shifting your state. So you know, like, when you're having those days and you're like, and you feel rubbish, if you can then tap into your mind palace

and you suddenly feel like peaceful, calm, you've literally shifted your frequency. It's like saying when you're dating, oh God, I just want someone that will just take me out. I just want someone to take me out on dates. Like, I never get to go anywhere in London because everyone else goes with their partners. Like, when do I get to go out with them? But actually, the way the energy shift should work and to probably manifest, you should be like taking yourself out on the date. So it already exists in your frequency and it's something you're already doing. And then the other person too will come along at some point, but you are already living it. That is your reality.

Exactly. And it can be the smallest things. Because again, I think there's always this pressure for it to be something big and grand, whereas it can be buy a different item of clothing that makes you feel awesome because then you're already in that energy and therefore you're going to attract from that space rather than the I will make buy the things or make myself feel good when I get there. It's like we delay it.

The mind's like, oh, I'll do that later. And it's like, do that now and create from that space and you'll find things happen way more quickly. Love that. Any excuse to buy myself more stuff. It does. Yeah. Like a soap in your house.

Like, again, like people who want like homes and things like that, they're often like, oh, I don't like my house. And it's just like, and then they think, oh, but there's no point in buying the new things and stuff. But if you start buying one or two things, whether it's the nice soap or something that you would have in your future home. Every time you use that, you're already tapping into that space that's available. I know.

I basically applied for two houses and I'm saving this candle and I'm thinking, oh, I can't wait to light that up in my new living room. I should fucking knit it last night. Oh no. Like live like, and when you're lighting it, be like imagining yourself in the new house, in the new space, seeing yourself there and just notice how you like move differently. Like when you're like putting the keys in the door, you're imagining that you've been. also don't be like imagining the day that you got the keys like imagine the house is messy because

you've had friends over like and you've been living there for a year or two already and like it's like it's already happened. Okay. So here's my thing to you. I had this before. There was something last month where I thought I was doing it all right and I still think I was doing it all right in terms of manifestation, visualization, being very careful with like asking the universe and then the way I worded things and like kind of preparing already having it rather than wanting it and it didn't come true. So what went wrong? I would say that nothing went wrong. I would say it's just our perception and expectations, which is something we all do as humans. We have judgments and expectations. What if it not happening was exactly what wasn't meant to happen and that whatever, like that's the

bit where the trust has to come in where we have to detach because your expectation of that being definitely the thing you want is a limitation. because what if the thing that's coming in is way better. Okay. But that's the opening. And like being able to lean into that place of like, how can it get any better than this? Like this is what I'm like working towards fine.

Like when I'm playing with houses, I'm like my husband's like always just like, you know we can't afford that. And I'm like, do not ruin my bubble. Yeah. I am up here like creating that we have got that swim lane in the garden. Like all of those things because it shifts my energy. And I'm like,

how can it get any better than that? I don't want to create a limitation that it has to be like a three bed hat, like to tap, like, do you know what I mean? It's just like, where can it be? Because again, that's conditioning. We're conditioned to believe things have to take time. Things have to be really hard work. All of that is conditioning. Whereas really, if everything's connected, we're all part of like consciousness. Yeah. The theory we should be able to create anything for ourselves. It's just the limitations of the minds creates around what is right, what is wrong, what we do like, what we don't like. You said about maybe avoiding or maybe not focusing on things like

gratitude journals, what would the, not the perfect day, but like the ideal day look like tuning into your highest energy? Like, what would you personally do? So me personally, so it's interesting, I used to be the person who would do like the gratitude diary. I would meditate for ages and I would do all of these things from like, I'm into like drumming. I have my, I do sound healing. So all of these things, I'd be like, I must do all these things to put myself in my desired state where actually I realize this is again where I started to think actually every time I'm doing this is because I'm saying I'm not good enough or something's not right with me. I need to fix something in my life. So I have to do all these things. Yeah. So I've actually released most of those things and just

ask myself each day, what do I feel I need to create that state? So I'll be asking myself. So if I desire, I don't know. Like I want to call a new client to my business. Like sorry, that's anything I can think of. So what is it that I need to do to create that? And sometimes it might be go for a walk outside and I just listen to what comes to me because everyone's different. If I said to you like, you must now go and drum for 20 minutes every morning. You might just be like, oh my goodness, or connect to your guides. You might be like, well, that's not for me. So it would dampen your frequency. So again, that's why it's important for everyone to know themselves, what feels good for them and create your routine around that. I think something's just clicked in my brain. So you know,

you go through phases in terms of energy and it's like mercury's in retrograde. That is like, a form of toxic or negative manifestation because you have one thing that goes wrong and then it's kind of like, oh, me noticing there's something off with the energy that's like maybe not just to do with my mood. And then I allow myself to feel that something's off for like the whole week when really I could have just like tuned into it and kind of realized it's just a, I don't know. Thank you for the awareness. Yeah. Thank you for that awareness that's going on. Yeah. And then choose something. What do I want to choose? Yeah, exactly. It's all, because this is the bit that's uncomfortable.

Like I say, with the manifestation thing, that people make resistance. And it's not to then be like, because then some people are like, oh, you're saying everything that's bad to happen to me is my fault. No, because some things we have, the illusion is we actually have no control over anything. Yeah. Like, we don't. We like to think we do, but we really don't, don't we? Like, who knows what's going to happen moment to moment.

Can like the planets and the moon and things affect our energies and mood? I think so. Like, I definitely think the moon has an impact on our being. Like, we are mostly made. made of water, it can move the tides. So it definitely can do stuff to our body. How much, because like, I again, I am someone who I go to like full moon fires. I do rituals.

I love all that kind of thing. It's like magical. It makes me happy. It brings me joy. That's why I do it. There was years ago I went because I was like, I have got things to release. I've got things to heal. Whereas I've shifted now to the place of I am what I am in this moment.

And if I choose to focus on that there's something wrong with me, then that's what I manifest whereas if I'm just like I am what I am in this moment that's fine and I go to them because I love the people the sisterhood there I think sitting around a fire is magical and drumming and singing and like releasing our blessings into the fire and sending energy out to the world to me is magical it brings me joy do you have anything you use physically to help manifest yeah so what's it called like change your energies like yeah like shift your frequency shift your frequency or desire's date so you can use tools so like in witchcraft you'll often see people have altars and things like that. And again, social media is brilliant because it's community. Like, I wish that I was

around when I was like younger and I was like, hey, I'm not alone. Go on TikTok and there's all these people talking about this stuff. But also it creates the sort of not the, well, an illusion in a way or expectation that one, tools have to be beautiful. Everyone has to have this amazing altar set up. It can be like basic. Because the tools are really just about making it tangible in the 3D for the human. I've bought a couple of bits in like to show you how you can do so this is like a little releasing spell. So like people often, because again in your environment, you'll have stuff. So whether you've had like old relationships and you've kept something from that person or and it can be something simple like they bought you a bag and it's a really nice bag. So why would you get rid of that bag?

But do you feel neutral about it or does it have an energy when you look at it without your an awareness that it's like, oh, that pings old memories, old emotions. So it actually puts you in that less desirable frequency to, if you see it and you're just like, neutral, fine, keep it. So I always think doing audits of your home is really important, like where you can do something. Because imagine if you're in your home and in your environment and every time you walk into that room and unconsciously,

you're picking up on the rucksack that that person gave you. And so then that's doing something to your energy. The energy is invisible. Like, we all believe in Wi-Fi, but if you start talking about energy and frequency, it's like, oh, that's weird. And I'm like, Wi-Fi is just as invisible, yet we like because you get it through the phone the tangible thing it makes you believe in it so again like the tools like the candles and all of that is to like allow it to more code in so you can get your energy more behind it because you've got the visual aid of it really so it's not that the candle is the magic thing or anything like that even though for i love like we candles because i like fire fires a really transformational energy like it burns through things also when stuff like the phoenix and then it reburns transform stuff back to life and

like that's why I like working with candles and stuff. I think they're really magical. We actually cast a spell last Halloween. Oh, did you? Yes. A manifestation spell. Yes. I think that's the reason why I was skeptical because it didn't work.

No, yeah. We had very, let's say, selfish ones. Yeah, actually. Our friend asked for world peace. And then at that point, we just knew. We probably shouldn't have included her in our coven. In our coven? Yeah.

Yeah. So do you think the. idea of using these spells is to start quite realistic yeah I think like especially if you're new to it again if you're going for like big things like I love that she was sending out the energy of like let's create world peace and everything but you need to do things where then you can like get collect your own evidence so it's got to be about you your connection your practice yeah which is why again I like people are you wicker are you pagan are you this and I'm like I just have my own like I'm not

part of a cover and I'm a solid someone say a solitude which like I have my my practices, I do what's right for me. Nothing is Instagramable because it ain't pretty. I bought a salser jar with salt in it. Like it's not like some glamorous altar set up. So what I bought for you like the concept around it is having a white and a black candle and then like I say, this is an old salsager, you know, with white salt because for me, white salt creates like a barrier. So you often hear like people like chuck salt over there. I think all of that protective. You can put it at your front doors. everything to like keep negative energy out.

So it basically coats barriers and boundaries. So I like using it in spellwork just because it like creates a nice safe space for doing that. So again, fireproof dish as we've come here or if you're at home, you can use a baking tray. Like really it doesn't have to be anything. Just don't set your house on fire basically. So have a vessel that's going to contain it. It doesn't have to be anything special. And then this is a white and black candle.

So this is basically for like releasing people or places or places or. objects or anything where you've had a connection. So whether it's an X or someone who just don't desire to be in your life anymore and they're not going away. So you would have the white candle is for like I say cleansing, like sending out pure light, shifting energy. The blacks are absorbing things. So then you would have your thread and literally it can be just like a thread from whether it's a piece of string and then you would wrap this round these together as a figure of eight for like that infinity energy you would then put the person or again it can be a place some few times we have like a connection to a place with something bad happened and you don't want to

be holding on to that anymore i would write that on a piece of paper so you've like been very intentional about who you're connecting with some people would maybe carve the initials of the person in the candle again it's all personal preference you could put like rose petals in the salt if you want or lavender if you want to call in calm energies all like depends on what you feels good to you basically so then you've wound your candles together um and break up and then you would pop those in your salt and then you'd like the white candle first and the black candle second and basically say i'm clearing any cords energy closing the door on this person insert their name obviously you've got a written down as well and then you would just watch

watch and very intentionally watch those candles burn down and burn through the cords between you both basically. And then just let that burn. Like, so these are obviously, they're called like spell candles, whereas I bought also, you can use like birthday candles again. Like it doesn't have to be. Because if you've got to sit and watch this, these take a lot longer to burn. And if you've like got a life, you might like want to use something that's going to burn a lot quicker. And this is the thing. It doesn't have to be like, there aren't any rules. Like so obviously I always think as well always ending like sending with love any energy back to someone because again if you're sending hateful thoughts out like what are you also calling back into yourself so it's just like being intentional

it's again that lack and desire state what we think we create and so if we think bad thoughts is that what's going to come to us as well so again we want to be intentional always like I say hi is good love of all but send it back but also when you do this kind of thing people because you literally will shift the energy of things because you again you've been intentional you're releasing that person and again if you've had objects of them I would recommend like maybe releasing those as well and just like letting those things go and being very like I really am closing the door on that you might find within like 24 48 hours that that person will reach out to you because they will unconsciously feel the energy shift so that then that person might be like oh so you again have to

be very like no no no so whether you block them don't engage because the minute you engage back with them. Yeah. You're re-putting those chords, that energy back together. So you have to be like, because you must have had that sometimes. You get to that point where you're like, and this is the thing, you might have had the thoughts for of, I'm done with that person. I really am and you've like, you know when you're so done.

Yeah. And then they randomly reach out again. You're like, I just like, I felt myself. I was so over it. And you didn't have to do the spell or anything because you were so like strong in your intention behind it. And then, yeah, they feel unconsciously and their energy. Oh, they've pulled back.

They're not there anymore. Hmm, that feels strange. Where are they? It is a thing. I do see that one on TikTok quite a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, people lighting candles, bound in string. I don't know if there's anyone I'd want to really cut out of my life.

I'm quite good at just doing that anyway. Yes, that's perfect, isn't it? Maybe one for attracting people. Lennon don't want to cast spells on people. Why? To make them fall in love with me. What, do you not think it's, no, but it's not a spell. It's energy.

It's energy. I'm a lot more less skeptical I think I really like everything you've been saying is quite interesting how like I don't know like there's parts of me that I've kind of like already doing what you're saying if that makes sense and I'm like oh

noticing yeah and like I definitely just feel happier in my life when I'm kind of put myself into that state even though I didn't realize that I was just kind of like not thinking about the negative things and just thinking about what

good things. Yeah. Yeah. Do you see more, obviously, less male clients coming to you and wanting to tune into their energy? I do mainly because I literally, in all my marketing, I talk to women. Yeah. So naturally, probably men might fall upon it and go, but I know friends who do work with

men who are very open to all of this. I think it's definitely a shift. I think more men are maybe more in the closet, isn't it? Like, my husband is he's open, but at the same time, he's like he wants the logic and the science behind it. He's like, can't you be a Jedi master instead of a Reiki master? And I'm like, sorry to disappoint you.

So like he believes in ghosts and all of that kind of thing. But then it gets to a line and he's like, really? But like I tend to see men need a lot more logic. Whereas I think naturally in women's energy, intuition and things like that, more of a natural thing. But I do like men and women like they all can do all of those things.

It's not like. No. Witches are only for women, which is, again, lots of people I think, which women. It's like, witches can be men. Like, yeah. Yay. Have you ever had that with your husband or like with one of your friends where you've had an intuition or like a message come forth? And you've had to kind of communicate that to them.

Yeah, when I first met my husband, his nan would come through a lot. But at that point, like again, because I'm very much, some people would be like, oh my God, there's this person with you. now and would very openly say that I've never been like that not from like fear but everyone's energy sacred like I believe like our space is our home I wouldn't want any old person walking into my space and home without permission yeah so I think it's personally a bit rude when people are like oh my god I've got a message from someone who's like I just think it's really invasive because you don't know what state that person's in or any of those things so I never used to tell him when she was around when we first met and it wasn't until like we're like six seven years into our

relationship and something came up and I was like, your nan's often around. And he was like, oh, he had some sadness around her passing, basically. And I didn't know. We just never talked about that stuff. So when I was able to share with him, he like, he found a lot of peace and healing in that that that he was like, oh, okay, I don't have to feel bad about like not doing what he thought he should have done. He was a teen, like a child. So, so he believes in that because he believes in, like I say, ghost and spirit in that sense. But when it comes to like the manifesting and stuff, But again, he very naturally is doing it. He's a super present person.

He's never been someone that focuses on the past. So he's like, I'm talking about things. He's like, why do that anyway? And I'm like, yeah. And he lives a very joyful life. That's the thing. So he's creating naturally from that state all the time. Whereas some people would be like, let's look at your childhood traumas.

Whereas he's just like, why? And I think it's not that I'm against like talking therapies or any of those things. They absolutely hold a place. because sometimes you have to talk that thing out so you're not holding onto it again. So you can shift that energy rather than like, some people never talk about stuff, don't they?

And they internalize it and hold it and it really impacts you. Whereas where does it then become a loop of you talk and you talk and you talk? And actually then you're just creating that spiral more. So I think again, everything's nuanced. It's not this is right. This is bad. Like I think, again, that's why you have to know yourself. So you can go like, actually, this has served its purpose.

But now I'm ready to put it down and move on to something else. look at it differently because it's all perspective. I probably shouldn't ask this, but did you feel any energies when you came in today? It was fun. Well, no, I actually, this building is very empty. And again, because I was very intentional again with coming to London, I was like, I don't want to be bombarded with spirit and stuff like, because train stations, airports, they're literally places of travel.

You get a lot of spirit in there because they're like passing places and things like hospitals as well. you end up like coming back like with a little harrim of people if you're not careful because I've had that before I've gone to a hospital this was last year for an appointment and it was a really old hospital building I didn't think anything of it but when I got home my husband was away that weekend I was like someone's been in here I could feel like the energy of the home had shifted and I was just like hmm something's not right and I got a bit paranoid of thinking has someone like broken in because it just felt really different and then I was just like literally mess with my friend and

was like, can you just tap in for me? I'm feeling a bit off, so I don't want to do it for myself. I think I'm going to make a story. And she was just like, have you been somewhere this morning? I've literally got like a trainload of people with you. Like they're all old from the war, blah, blah, blah. And she was picking up. Basically, I just picked up a load of dead people at the hospital that had been there

and were just like, cool person who's open. Let's go, like, see if we can get her attention. But I basically bought them more open. Oh, no. So then we had to sit there and like just pass them all, like, on or send them back to where they needed to go. Yeah, basically, because I just... Oh, God.

So, yeah, whereas I was very intentional. I'm coming to London, I'm going to be going on the train, very, like, shut. So also, and I had no intention of picking anything up. So my, like, your question is, yeah, I could tap in and pick stuff up if I want to, but I've also been very... Because this is the thing, it's the boundaries. People then think, oh, if I open up to spirit and all of that, I'm going to, like, then been bombarded.

Yeah. But basically, you, like, want to close that off. Yeah. So, yeah, like, you could pick up on the stuff here, but I choose not to. for my sanity. Absolutely. You can tap it. Like you'll all have done it.

You'll have walked in somewhere and gone, oh, this place feels funny. Yeah. You just know. Or you meet someone for the first time and you're like, they've got a funny vibe. But then you meet them again and you're like, oh, they're different to what I thought last time.

How much of what you were picking up on them wasn't even their stuff. They'd had an argument or being there someone who had an argument. And so we're reading energy all the time without realizing it of like what you pick up. So again, when we like make judgments sometimes off random stuff. No, it's not haunted. Yeah. No, it doesn't.

Well, it doesn't. Nothing's coming to me from that like space. When I'm like consciously tapping in and asking my team, I'm like, anything in there. Just kind of like, meh. That was very, very interesting. I feel like I want to go home and do a spell immediately. And it is always this season as well. Yeah.

We always kind of like, I'm more open to it because all of like our favorite films are. Yeah. It's awesome. True. The veil is getting thin. Halloween will be upon us or Sarwin. Yeah. Are you doing anything for Halloween that coincides with this? Yeah. So I tend to, there are times when I will do an altar and things like that.

Because like I say, I'm quite minimal on that. Whereas at Halloween or Salwin, depending what you want to call it, I will have pictures of loved ones, create a space, like a candle, because that's what like pumpkins and everything like that were traditionally about lighting the way home for the spirits to come home. So when people put them at their front door, you're essentially welcoming spirits to your home. No way? Mm-hmm. Seriously. That's like, that was the like the history behind them and stuff like because they used to be like Swedes and stuff like that.

So that's why when people like now are like, oh, for trick-or-treaters, it used to be your welcoming, you're guiding your loved ones home. All those Americans that have those big, big things outside their houses. Whereas their intention, obviously, again, they're not intentionally doing that for that. Okay, yeah. So whether they're like doing that, whereas, yeah, if I was to put something out there, like I light a candle, I will put pictures of loved ones, like, around the candle, and I will, like, call them in. I occasionally will set an empty space at the table, like they call it a dumb space,

like, for where then you got to ask your ancestors to come enjoy a meal with you. That's lovely nice. Yeah, it's like really, like, I do it because, again, it, like brings me a lot of peace. It's, like, really, like, just feels really connected. So you wouldn't carve out the face on the front of the pumpkin. you would just put a candlelight in there. Sometimes I'll like carve a face. Again, if it brings me joy and it feels like the right thing to do, I would do that.

But I'm more like, we'll just do something pretty, to be honest. That's so interesting. I always thought that pumpkins were meant to like ward off evil spirits. I suppose it's still within that same kind of realm of like, how you're like, how they interact with your proper space. Oh, well. Thank you so much, Katie. Yeah, that was amazing. I'm glad you're having you on.

And where can everyone find you on your socials? On TikTok, you can find me at Psychic Witch UK, and then KTC White on Instagram. Oh, yes. Okay, well, thank you so much for coming on. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.