Tea at Four - Can we trust guy group chats and is Find My Friends a toxic app? We answer your dilemmas
Episode Date: April 30, 2025In today’s ep, Billy and Christie yap about all the latest celeb tea and answer some of your dilemmas.Christie confuses David Hasslehoff with Pedro Pascal, Billy has to explain who Chris Hughes is a...nd why him and JoJo Siwa are in the headlines. They’re both also shocked by some savage Ryanair slander of Penn Badgley…Also, Billy shuts down a dilemma about a boyfriend not wanting his girlfriend to chat b*tch about him to her friends, and they also discuss whether Find My Friends is a toxic app.Let us know your dilemmas and we’ll read them out anonymously! Send to teaatfour@junglecreations.com or DM us @fournine
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People going to like screenshot that or retweet that.
That's how the internet works.
Hey, guys, welcome back to Tier 4.
I'm Kristy.
And I'm Billy.
And this is the podcast where we talk all things that normally stay in the group chats.
How are you, Christy?
Do you know what?
I am...
Bored.
Anyway, on to me.
This guy hates me.
To be honest, I'm in a good mood today because you guys said that my makeup today is 10 out
of 10.
Yes, they were lying.
They were lying.
It's 11 out of 10.
Oh my God. But now I'm in a
very good mood and apparently next week the sun is coming out. We're touching 23, 24,
25. I told you we're not talking about weather. It's so boring in the podcast. I hear it
but I'm excited because that means, you know, maxi dress season. We can wear no more jackets,
no more scarves, no more umbrellas. Okay. Yeah. I do. I just talk about weather all
the time that I think it's making me boring. I think that's my worst personality trait.
Talk about the weather.
All I talk about is the weather.
You talk about the weather every single day,
that is scary.
Yeah, you know, I do.
But I don't, so I'm excited to talk about it.
Okay, maybe this is how people feel when I talk to them.
They don't wanna hear it.
Now you understand.
Okay, go on, I'll let you talk about the weather.
Yeah, but that's what I wanted to say,
like, it's gonna be very, very...
It is exciting, it is feeling like summer's coming
around the corner.
It's around the corner, do you know what's so scary?
I feel like the year's like nearly done.
We just started the year.
I feel like we're going to wake up tomorrow
and the clocks are going to go back and it's going to be dark again.
Oh, hell no, because I'm really enjoying the bright, the bright, the bright mornings.
I've actually gotten up really early recently as well.
Yeah, he's becoming into work on time.
I've been coming to work an hour early, staying an hour late.
I'm so proud of you, hard work, boy.
And you've been interviewing celebrities.
You've been doing so much, please spill the tea.
It has been crazy.
Yeah.
I'd say like most of my time at Jungle has been like
dreaming of getting these moments and opportunities.
And now it's all come and it's all come at once,
which is huge.
Like they have done free premieres this month
That's crazy and the month's not over free premieres. Yeah, who would be your I
Ideal person to bump into you on the like a red carpet bump into a red carpet. Yeah, I thought Florence Pugh would be really fun energy
You know who she is?
Do you know who she is? I thought that was a guy.
Florence?
Yeah, because Florence can be a boy.
Florence, no, no.
Producer Bob, Florence can also be a boy name, right?
Wrong.
Are you being for real?
Florence.
I don't know, you're French, maybe that's why.
Yeah, there is, there's, you could call.
Well, guess what?
Well, this is Ingerland.
Ingerland.
Ingerland.
But okay, Florence Pugh.
Florence Pugh.
She played Matrix. Oh, wow, Christy, never mind.
She was in Little Women. She's in the new Thunderbox movie.
She was in Don't Worry, Darling, but she doesn't talk about that.
Okay.
She just always looks like she's got good energy.
So that would be your ideal person to work with.
I don't know.
I'm probably on a hype because she was at the premiere
I went to on Tuesday.
Yeah.
I don't know who my ideal person would be.
Obviously it's...
Okay.
But I can't say that in case I actually get to meet him
in a couple of weeks time.
Can you imagine?
Well, maybe you've manifested it so.
No, actually I can't actually talk about that, sorry.
No.
Anyway, moving on.
Moving on swiftly.
We've got some celeb headlines.
Oh, should we play a little game of celebrity?
Let's go with it.
Should I go first?
Yeah, I can't reach that.
You know, the teak pot is right next to me.
Right next to me, time for tea.
Do you know what I like?
I like the noise that it makes.
I hate the noise.
Really?
I hate it.
Do you boil your kettle in the kettle or in the pot? Is this all we can talk about when Lauren's not here? Google hate it. Do you know, do you boil your kettle in the kettle or in the pot?
Is this all we can talk about when Lauren's not here? Google boring topics of conversation.
I'm actually genuinely asking you like how do you boil your tea in the kettle or in the pot?
In the fucking kettle.
So I've got mine, please English beyond point today. Pedro Pascal, brands, JK Rowling blank blank
after trans ruling.
I saw this earlier.
Brands, JK Rowling, heinous fucking cunt.
What, there's two blanks, there's two blanks.
Something like heinous person, heinous witch.
I probably can't say any of that.
Yeah, you're right, heinous loser. Heinous witch. I probably can't say any of that actually. Yeah, you're right, heinous loser.
Heinous loser.
After trans ruling.
Heinous meaning, sorry, I'm about to be serious.
You forgot all your words today.
I'm about to be serious, I actually don't know that word.
Heinous is like evil.
Okay, I actually don't know that word.
You know it's like every day, heinous.
Heinous.
Heinous.
It sounds like anus.
Yeah, but heinous.
Heinous, heinous, heinous. Yeah, but heyness. Heyness. Heyness.
Heyness. So Pedro Pascal brands, JK Rowling, heyness loser after trans ruling. But I saw
that comment to be honest, because she's been. He's not the only one as well. He was at the
premiere on Tuesday wearing a protect the dolls t-shirt, Stan. I didn't realize that his sister's trans.
Really?
And that's why he speaks so like, he's so,
what's the word, vocal about trans rights.
And I think it just makes me love him even more.
Big up him, honestly.
He's my crush of the year, you know.
Didn't really think twice about him
before the beginning of the year,
but everyone was always on the Pedro Pascal hype.
Can I go see you this person?
I don't know.
Sorry.
Guys, I'm so sorry.
Do you know what it is?
I feel like.
Someone control, oh, delete your brain.
Every month you decide to delete everything you've ever learned.
Wow.
He's so lovely.
He is daddy.
Daddy.
He's got that, you know, you know, he reminds me,
maybe it is him, but the guy from Baywatch that runs,
it's not him is he?
Arnold. Are you talking about Zac Efron? David Hasselhoff.
I mean I can't laugh I thought it was Arnold Schwarzenegger. Oh my gosh!
He did German Baywatch didn't he? Who? Arnold. Arnold did he? I, Pedro Pascal, you look absolutely beautiful. Yeah. Age 50. Okay.
Zaddy. Zaddy. Hey, Zaddy. Hey, Zaddy. Yeah. I love that he's standing up for, you know,
for the trans women out there, especially what's been going on and what's been ruled.
Um, I feel like, yeah, the world that we're living in is very much, I don't even know how to describe
it because I feel like if people identify how they identify, how dare you tell them
that they're not.
Absolutely.
Do you know what I mean?
Absolutely.
Also, I'm kind of like shocked at how I was trying to look at it earlier for something
else, but how there's not really been that many celebs that are kind of like actually
speaking up.
Really?
Nicola Cocklin has said something and she's quite, she's in Bridgerton and Derry Girls.
Derry Girls.
Irish, the Irish show.
Like Trinity, but for the Irish people.
Probably, maybe, I don't know.
Yeah, I just thought there'd be a lot more people
that are like talking about it.
Do you think it's like,
do you know what, I feel like people have spoken about it, but then think it's like, Jouis, I feel like people have spoken about it,
but then think of it like this,
could the media be controlling what's being put out?
Well, this is the thing, maybe,
but I think that right-wing media
who agree with the ruling,
they're writing stuff like,
they're talking about the people who speak out
in a negative light.
Okay.
And then there's also the left-wing who like fully support, no, not support,
fully disagree with the ruling. Okay. And like purely for trans rights are highlighting the
people that are talking about it. I just couldn't find many people earlier this week. And I don't
know when you've got a platform like that. This is the moment for you to like really, yeah.
People always have the argument of like,
oh, they're celebrities,
they shouldn't get involved in politics.
I think that's fucking ridiculous.
Yeah, cause to be honest,
just to say that maybe within their team,
within their friends, within their families,
they have also people that are trans
and they are waiting for people to kind of like, you know,
step out and speak up for them.
100%.
And I feel like the more people do speak out,
yeah, you celebrities watching.
They set the tone for everyone else.
Yeah.
There's people who are out there
who aren't as interested or have a care,
but celebrities have a power in which they can kind of
help educate and help inspire people.
I totally agree.
To, as long as it's like liberal thinking,
I don't need no Kid Rock telling me
some racist, anti-gay agenda shit.
Yeah.
Is that how you're signing off?
I thought you were still talking.
I was like, wait, what?
I'm getting so switched, but yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I can't remember what my point was now.
That's fine.
That's fine, yeah.
You're just like, okay, cool.
Sorry.
Go on.
How do you bore your kettle?
On the pot.
On the pot? On like, um,
really? Like old school?
Yeah, old school. Oh, it's just getting, not, not, you just get a pot,
water. Is that because you don't have a kettle?
I do have a kettle, but sometimes I hate
the kettle. Does it taste different?
Sometimes. It definitely does
taste different. I didn't know you were a kettle snub. I was a connoisseur. Yeah. Okay Jojo Siwa
realizes blank blank blank after cosying up to blank blank. I saw this. She was cosying up to her
Cosing up to her big brother housemate. But me and all the names
What is your see you all go back I think Jojo see where it realizes
She's her not a lesbian. What I saw that earlier
She she's not a lesbian after cozying up to Chris Hughes
Yeah, but she's it's Jojo seewa not seeing somebody? She is. I think in the clip she talks about that she has realized that she doesn't identify
it as a lesbian, she identifies as queer.
Oh.
And a lot of people in the comments are being like, what's the difference? And the difference is...
Educate the people then.
A lesbian is someone who solely knows that their identity as a woman loves another woman,
that's who they're sexually attracted to. Whereas queer is more of an umbrella term for anyone who
feels not heterosexual. So anyone that identifies as not completely straight can identify as queer
and that can mean anything. That can mean bi, lesbian, gay, but they don't really have the true...
Kind of like establish a, yeah.
They're not as established in their identity.
I feel like they're still exploring
and they obviously they're allowed to explore.
Do you know what I mean?
So, oh, imagine your partner hearing that.
I am so sorry, but I did not think that Jojo Siwa
and Chris Hughes love fair was gonna happen in 2025.
That was on my bingo cards.
I thought she was like 12.
What, you thought she was 12?
I'm just really confused,
because the last I heard of Jojo Siwa,
she was like a child star.
You also don't read the news.
Yeah, but now she's on Big Brother,
and I'm just like, huh?
Can't you see who Chris Hughes is?
Oh my God.
Yeah.
It's Christie, it's Emma.
Fucking hell.
Half of this episode is gonna been you asking who people are.
We just do like a montage of all the time
that Christy's like, who's this, who's that?
The name sounds so familiar, but I've never.
He was on the Love Island season with Kem and Amber
and Olivia Atwood.
Oh, so he's from the UK?
Yeah, she's on Big Brother UK.
Yeah, but Christopher Hughes, it says here, how old is he?
I don't think they're actually having a love affair.
I think people just think they keep cozying up together.
Or maybe he sees her like, you know.
He went out with Jessie Nelson from Little Mix.
Oh really?
I know, oh my God, this is the wrong Chris Hughes, guys.
This is, who's this?
Fuck off, Chris Lee.
Who is that?
For reference. Who is that? That's, Chrissy! Who is that? For reference.
Who is that?
That's who she thinks Chrissy is.
Who is that?
That one where you just said Jessie Nels and I was like,
oh my gosh, I don't know who that is.
Can you screenshot it?
Yeah.
Chris Hughes is an American entrepreneur and author
and co-founded and served as spokesman
for the online social directory and network in Facebook.
I was so...
I know his face but I just don't think I recognise him.
When you said Jess Nelson, Jesse Nelson, that's when I was like, oh my god no Little Mix,
that's definitely not the guy and I saw the guy in my head.
Now I know who you're talking about.
I'm so sorry.
Yeah, this guy's 41 or 50.
41.
My lord.
The episode title could just be called Educating Christy.
Wow.
OK. Well, I'm the only one that's got any of those news articles. You can read the Kristy. Wow. Okay. Well.
I'm the only one that's got any of those news articles.
You can read the last one.
Right. Thank you.
Last tea question.
Are you a herbal or are you an Earl Grey?
What's the difference?
It's not herbal, it's Earl Grey.
Well, I thought Earl Grey was herbal.
No.
Oh.
I don't think so.
Why? I feel like Earl Grey is just like normal tea. That's English breakfast bab Grey was herbal. No. Earl? I don't think so.
Why?
I feel like Earl Grey is just like normal to you.
That's English breakfast babes.
Okay, anyways.
If you ask me tea related questions, know you're fucking tea.
Okay.
Okay.
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Whoa.
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Was targeted by fans about his appearance?
No.
Oh. Was targeted by fashion critics. It no, oh was targeted by fashion critics
It's only one. Oh my gosh about his parents by
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Critics
Ryan air No. Critics. Critics. You're not gonna get it. Who not? Ryan Air.
What?
Who?
Ryan Air.
Oh Ryan Air.
I thought you were talking about a person called Ryan Air.
Ryan Air.
I have not heard of him.
This is my educating Christie moment.
Ding ding ding.
Ryan Air the airline.
Why?
Yeah, they got really sassy.
They just found this really outrageous.
Was this on their Twitter?
Yeah, you know how they're really sassy on their just found this really outrageous. Was this on their Twitter?
Yeah, you know how they're really sassy on their socials?
So he put up a picture, or it was from you,
and it was like him doing a conference about it,
and he's got a shaved head,
and he put, hi you, as the caption,
and they'd replied, hi turkey.
Oh!
That was just outrageous.
That Ryanair intern has got too big for their boots.
Mate.
I don't need Ryanair coming for me because that's savage.
You know how crazy, cause you know that's so crazy,
like people are gonna like screenshot that,
retweet that, like.
That's how the internet works.
Oh my gosh, no what's going on today? It works. It works. Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Oh my gosh, no, what's going on today?
It might be that way.
Gosh, can you imagine?
That's how they know.
I actually might put it on my story.
Now that would be wild.
It actually would be, imagine an airline coming at you,
that is crazy.
Like does he get free flights then?
No, there's no paid partnership.
Yeah, but at this point, I mean, if you're saying Turkey.
Hi Turkey.
Maybe he gets free flights to Turkey.
Probably.
That's compensation there.
Damn.
Where there's an aim, there's a claim.
There is indeed.
Or where there's a name calling, there's a claim. There is indeed. Oh wow.
Where there's a name calling, there's a claim calling.
Calling.
Well.
What's that?
That was nice.
I enjoyed that.
I've got some dilemmas.
All right.
So.
I've got a dilemma.
A low dilemma.
My co-podcast host doesn't know who anyone fucking is.
I'm so sorry guys.
Like I live in a hole.
I live in a hole.
I live in a hole.
I live in a hole.
I live in a hole. I live in a hole. I live in a hole. I live in a hole. I live in an dilemma. My co-podcast host doesn't know who anyone fucking is. I'm so sorry guys, I live in a hole.
You do?
All right, Chrissy, I'm sending this worst one to you.
Okay, cool.
Read it in your head first and then read it out loud.
Oh gosh.
Use your words.
Use your words.
Sorry if I'm coming across really feisty today.
No, it's all right.
At least I'm used to this.
I know, that's true.
I love this.
But they might not be used to me.
Well, they need to understand this is our relationship, okay?
Exactly.
This is how we...
It's called banter.
It's called banter.
And I hate her secretly.
Oh, he loves me dearly.
So, what do you think about venting to your friends about your relationship?
Would you stop if your partner asked you to?
My boyfriend found out that I'd been bitching about him
to my girlfriends and was really upset with me.
I feel bad, but I also feel like this is needed.
I honestly think fuck him.
Oh.
Because I will bitch about anyone to anyone if I want to.
It's natural.
And it doesn't make you a bitch.
No. It actually makes you a bigger better
person because you're not taking the problem head-on. You're avoiding it. I think that that,
waiting for it, is healthier. Do you know what I only, I wouldn't say she's a bad person for it but
I feel like maybe not the girlfriends or just maybe a friend, one friend, only because...
Wait, why girlfriends?
Why not a group?
So like her friends?
Yeah, I would say just a bitch to one person.
Oh, so she's not bitching to the fellow girlfriends of the, like she's just bitching to her friends.
Her friends, yeah.
Oh no, girl group therapy, I agree with.
I hear it, but then when your boyfriend now is in the room and then all the girlfriends
are now, he's uncomfortable good. Oh
You made me uncomfortable. That's also one thing. I love is like make things easy, but I'm petty and if I think you've done
Something to piss me off. Yeah, so should the guy also bitch to his mandem? He probably is I don't think guys do you know?
That I don't think they do that's where guys get off really easily
You know, I don't think they do. That's where guys get off really easily.
They think they think that they know that we think
that they don't do that kind of stuff
when they fucking do.
You reckon I personally feel like a guy will say
to like his close boy, but not the boy group.
I don't know.
I don't trust guy group chats.
I think.
But I feel like because of their pride,
I don't think they would want to say what's going on
within their relationship.
Do you know what I'm trying to say? I don't know.
Yeah, a guy's not going to go back to his friends
and be like, oh, she said my dick smell again.
But. Ha ha that problem before.
Yeah, what's going on?
Oh, I've heard about this problem before.
Oh wow, girl.
But, you know what I mean?
Like they're not going to complain that like something embarrassing, whereas a girl would,
a girl would like, I just think, yeah, guys, maybe not go into details.
Fair.
But they'll be like, oh, I can imagine being like, she's being a fucking bitch.
She's being a bitch.
Yeah.
I think we should all be like, oh, yeah, guys maybe not go into details,
but they'll be like, oh, I can imagine being like,
she's being a fucking bitch.
I think the difference is that girls bitch about it
to their friends, but they always have a healthy resolve.
So then usually it would get communicated and sorted out,
or the friends would then get involved and be like,
I can't believe you did this blah, blah, blah,
and it becomes more of an open thing.
Actually, yeah, that's where I agree.
Like I think, I forgot, maybe I'm stereotyping,
but maybe sometimes when guys do it,
guys don't then take on the frustration of the message.
Whereas I think most girls-
Girls will call up the girls.
Girls, can you imagine?
But then I thought they only call up the girls,
like what you said, once they kind of like have resolved it,
but you still need a little inkling of like,
boost me up a bit, like, you know what I mean?
Hype me up, hype me up.
And then it's like, okay, cool.
But I don't think she should feel bad about it.
I feel like it's just her venting and you're allowed to vent.
It's better to keep it out than keep it in.
Also, I feel like it's actually quite toxic for him to say,
like, don't complain about,
because where does the next step go then?
And I'm gonna go really dark here,
but MTV starts getting like
a little bit abusive verbally or emotionally or physically,
and he's already set this boundary that she can't,
do you know what I mean?
Your friends are the people you go to
when you think that he's being out of line
and you need that validation
or you need that kind of like comfort area.
So I feel like you should never tell your friends,
tell your partner that they don't have a safe space in their friends. Yeah. Can we talk
about Find My Friends? I feel uncomfortable with it sometimes because
some friends check it all the time and it's not like I'm hiding anything but it
feels like my privacy has gone. But on the flip side my boyfriend won't get
Find My Friends. I trust him but it low low key annoys me that he doesn't want me to know where he is.
Find My iPhone is probably my most used app.
Really?
Yeah, because you always miss playing your iPhone, right?
I'm on it all the time.
Oh.
And I'm seeing if my friends are meeting up without me.
I'm seeing where my flatmate is.
Oh, so you're one of the ones that,
you're on it like. Absolutely.
I'll get a message from my friend Beth
and she'll be like, why are you around Molly's?
Where was my invite?
Oh.
Not aggressively.
Yeah, but like joking.
On the other day we had to turn it off
because we were doing, we all met up
to meet up for my friend's hen party planning.
Yeah.
And we couldn't tell her, but she goes on,
find my iPhone 24 seven.
Oh wow.
I don't trust people that aren't on it.
I have Find My iPhone on
and obviously I've got family sharing as well.
So like.
Find My Friends.
Oh my gosh.
I'm just saying, Find My iPhone.
Find My iPhone.
Oh, what's the difference?
It's Find My Friends, yeah.
Find My iPhone is for your iPhone,
but when you lose it.
Oh.
Yeah, but I still use Find My iPhone.
Is it the same thing?
Yeah. Yeah, but it's. Oh think it's for your iPhone, but when you lose it. Oh. Yeah, but I still use Find My iPhone. It's the same thing, yeah.
Yeah, but it's...
Oh.
It's called Find My.
Yeah, I know, but people refer to it as Find My Friend.
The cool kids.
Actually, you're right.
I can't imagine my friend saying Find My iPhone.
Do you know what it is?
I've only got one person.
Oh my God, why is my sister's location off?
Excuse me.
I need to know where you are.
I have to have mine on
because I've lost so many phones in my life.
Really? I'm trying to see all my devices I have to have mine on because I've lost so many phones in my life.
Trying to see all my devices that have been lost.
From the Find My app?
Yeah, devices.
Let's go look.
How many?
Billy.
All my phones that have gone.
Now in the graveyard.
That's crazy.
But I do feel like, do you know what it is?
I like that app because I do feel like,
for instance, let's say you're out on a night out and it's mad late.
I always tell my friends to let me know when you get in.
And a lot of the time they don't reply back.
And I'm gonna tell my friend that I will stay up
until you text me, I'm home, then I'll go to bed.
Cause I've got a peace of mind.
So I have not actually fought to do the find my,
but I would occasionally say for instance,
if it's like a very like lit night
and we've we've had fun everyone's drunk oh I need to make sure oh she's home it's okay I can go to bed
but um it's not saying that I would be like or force a partner to. I love just seeing where my
friends are. Really? Yeah like I'm not in a creepy way and they all do it as well I just like to see
where like oh they're at work oh they're at home oh they're at their mums do you know what I mean?
Yeah. It's got a nice way to kind of just be like,
they all do it as much as I do it.
And sometimes I'm a bit creepy on it.
So would you want your partner to have the Find My app?
I get why you don't want it,
because there is that level of like,
you're being watched and you don't wanna be watched.
But I can kind of see why you'd want them to have it. But I don't think I'd
ever enforce my partner to have it. Like if they didn't feel comfortable then they didn't.
I feel like with my metal friends it's annoying because when I tell them like message me when
you get home they never do. And it's like, I think for them it's like, why do you need to know where
I am? But for me it's just like, just, just, you know, just who's it? If you're like at concert or
a festival, it's so much easier than being like, wait,
what food truck are you at if you've got signal?
Right, during Carnival, find my best app because oh my gosh.
It's so good.
Trying to find your people in the crowds is a moan.
But I do feel like maybe sis, don't be too caught up about it.
Because I feel like you don't want to seem like you're clingy.
Yeah, don't be a loser.
Don't be... Sorry, is it thunder or someone farting?
No, because that's really putting me off. But yeah, don't be so obsessive about it. Don't be a little whiny bitch.
Don't be so obsessive. But yeah, I do get it.
Yeah. Maybe with your close circle, the mandem, the partner.
Your partner, like...
If you do trust him and you say you trust him,
then you don't need it.
Maybe on holiday.
You don't trust him if you feel uncomfortable
by him not having it.
And that's fine, but then maybe you need to do something
to work on your trust.
Okay.
And maybe break up.
Oh. No, I'm joking. Okay. And maybe break up. Oh.
No, I'm joking.
That's all the way left.
But very good points before the breakup.
Yeah, for the breakup.
Let's cut the breakup.
Let's cut.
Cool.
Nice.
Nice, that's the end.
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