Tea at Four - Ella Morgan reveals why she’s scared for trans people, spills the tea on Love Island and her secret crush…

Episode Date: May 8, 2025

This week on Tea at Four, Billy and Christie chat with iconic MAFS star Ella Morgan about life after the recent Supreme Court ruling on the legal definition of a woman. She opens up about media backlash, online hate, and what it’s really like navigating fame, dating, and conversations as a trans woman IRL in the UK today.Ella opens up about the pressure of being seen as a representative for the trans community and why she’s tired of being a ‘token trans moment’, speaking candidly on being banned from bathrooms, trolls, and fake allies — she holds nothing back.We couldn’t have Ella on without getting the tea on MAFs and Celebs Go Dating, and which celeb she’s currently got her eye on. Plus, she shares her hopes, and concerns, as the first trans woman prepares to enter Love Island and challenges everyone to speak up: “you post what you had for breakfast, why not post your support for trans people?”If you've been affected by this or want to help please use and support these resources:- Trans+Connect: https://notaphase.org/trans-connect/ - Mindline trans+ : https://www.gires.org.uk/tranzwiki/groups/mindline-trans-helpline/

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What a course life is cold enough, the mountains on the can turn blue! So the next time you want a cold lager, cold filter, cold package, core's light, just wait until those glorious mountains on the can turn blue! Woo! It's easy to say that fast when you're freezing cold! Just so you know, I'm not coming on to debate my existence because I never would do that. There's nothing to debate. I'm Ella, I'm a woman and I'm fit.

I don't know many trans people so for me it's like, let me actually sit down and take you in. Like let me take it in, do you know what I mean? When this happened I was like, oh my god, I'm actually scared to use the toilet on the train. I'm scared to use facilities if I go into a restaurant or if I go to an award show or I go to any function. I'm now scared, which I never was before. We're so grateful for Ella coming onto the pod today because not only is she one of our favourite TV icons, but she's also here to talk on the news of the Supreme Court ruling last week that deemed the legal definition of a woman relates to the biological sex at birth. After that, we've got some celebs

go dating and married at first sight goss. Plus, Ella answers your dilemmas. So grab your tea, settle in and let's have a real conversation. Hey guys, welcome back to Tea at Four. I'm Billy. I'm Kristy and this is the podcast where we talk all things that normally stay in the group chat. And today, we have a very fabulous guest, reality TV star and trans icon, Miss Ella Morgan. Woo! Ella, Ella!

Yeah, Ella! Welcome. Thank you guys and everyone behind the scenes for having me. This is a pleasure and an honor. That intro was incredible anyway. I was working on it outside. Yeah, I agree. I am an icon. I am an icon. How are you? I'm really good. I well considering everything, I'm sure we'll get into it. That's going on at the minute. I'm actually like personally, I'm really good. Like life actually can probably

be better other than the whole trans debate. Take that to one side. Yeah. I'm really, really good. I'm really happy. Well, that is lovely to hear. And it's, I'm glad you mentioned that because we do want to talk about that. I think one of the reasons we brought you on, not only because we love you, but we want to make sure that we're speaking to people who are really affected by this. You know, if you want to be a trans advocate or you want to support the trans community, the best way to do that is to really speak to the people that are affected by this. And be visible. Exactly. And I do think though, that being a representation

is so much pressure because you're not only talking for yourself, you're talking for a whole community that don't get the visibility and the representation that, you know, a lot of the time I'm not being rude, white cis women or white cis men get. And so everything I say now, probably compared to maybe two years ago, where I would have just said whatever I wanted,

now I have to always make sure I say the right thing, because I'm not just talking for me, I'm talking for other people that don't have a voice. I don't put anything on, there's no kind of fakeness to it. I'm just talking for myself, but also the millions or however many people that are trans that are affected by this legislation, which also doesn't actually just affect trans people.

It affects everyone. If you really think about it, it does affect everyone. I saw someone talk about, I think it might have been Charlie Craggs, she was talking about it and she said that like, trans women are gonna be affected the most. But there are also instances where cis women are not allowed or being refused entry

into these bathrooms because- Because they don't conform to- Exactly. Yeah, would you feel threatened actually as a group? Would any of you, and feel free to say no, feel threatened if I walked into the female bathroom? No, absolutely not. No, I just did it then.

So since this has all come out, I just went into the bathroom here and one of your lovely colleagues is in there. And for the first time, I don't know why, because I like to make jokes out of things to make me feel a bit better about the situation. Because if I didn't laugh, I would cry. And I actually just said, hoping, you know,

judging on my instinct that she'd be okay. I said, just so you know, judging on my, my instinct that she'd be okay. I said, just so you know, I'm now legally a man, so I shouldn't really be in here, but I just want you to know, I'm not here to molest you, I'm here to have a pee. And then I did my business and she was like, you know, I'm really sorry that you're having to go through this. I don't feel threatened by you. Pee in peace. Like when you think about it, it's all been talking about.

She actually came out a bit upset for you. Oh, did she? I think he said upset. No, no, no. I was in there with her. I was like, I'm not here to do anything. No, she was really moved and felt horrified that you have to do that. She had tears in her eyes for you.

But that's what I get scared about now that I wouldn't have been scared about before I was in the public eye. Because I actually am affected. Like when I speak about these, I guess, issues before this legislation, I didn't feel untouchable, but I think because I am in a privileged position, you know, I'm a white woman, I've also got white privilege. I passed, you know, relatively well.

And, you know, I've got great career, money, et cetera. So I'm very aware that I have this privilege and I don't take it for granted. But, and so what I used to think when people talked about, trans people and the hate on us and what we should be doing and what we shouldn't, I was a bit like, do you know what? I'll do my job and talk about it, how it affects people.

But naively, I actually used to think I'm so privileged and I'm actually gonna be okay, which is a lot for me to admit, because that sounds big headed, but I don't mean it to be. And I always thought I was not untouchable, but I thought this is never really gonna affect me. Like I'm very happy, I'm doing well, and you know, people are most of the time really nice to me,

not online, but face to face. And then when this happened, I was like, oh my God, I'm actually scared to use the toilet on the train, because I don't live in London, so I always come by train. I'm scared to use facilities if I go into a restaurant or if I go to an award show or I go to any function. I'm now scared, which I never was before. So that is a feeling that most trans people feel,

whether you pass or not. And also then you have the argument that trans men, because a lot of this conversation has been about trans women, and that's what the headlines have said. But actually that means that trans men would legally, by this new ruling, be seen as a biological woman, which would also mean they would technically

have to use the male, the female bathrooms. Anyone from off the street who is a cis male could walk into a female bathroom now, according to this legislation, and they could say, well, you know, I'm a trans, I'm a trans man. And that's the bigger issue, isn't it? Yeah. So these people, all of these turfs and feminists that say, you know, that this is all about women's safety. I don't believe that this is about women's safety. I believe it's about eradicating trans people

and our existence, which is never gonna happen because we've existed forever and we always will. I think the only thing that it's gonna do is scare monger young trans people, or anyone actually of any age who believes, you know, that they're trans and wants transition. They're gonna try and stop those people from doing it. Because I'd probably say, and I hate to say it,

if we went back 10 years and what was happening now happened then, part of me would be slightly scared with what's going on now to come out. And I actually, obviously now it's different because I have a voice and I am an advocate and people know who I am. So when I go into the toilet, even now, I am scared

because I've been in the public eye, people might know who I am and they would know I'm trans. If I wasn't in the public eye, I, you know, because of, I guess, all the work I've had done, I probably could, I'm lucky that I passed and I could go into the toilet and no one would say anything. I, you know, because of, I guess all the work I've had done, I probably could, I'm lucky that I passed and I could go into the toilet and no one would say anything.

So I'm also worried, but I worry for the future trans people that right now are terrified to come out because of all of these women that are saying it's all about women's safety. It's absolutely not about women's safety. Trans people do not harm anyone in toilets. If someone wants to sexually assault or rape someone, they don't need to go to the extreme of saying,

I'm a trans person and pretending that they're trans just to do that. So really, who does this protect? Who does this safeguard? In my eyes, nobody. And so, yeah, I just think it's barbaric. And the fact that the government didn't have the guts to do this in parliament,

debate this in parliament and instead left it to a court to define what a woman is. I just think it says so much about them as politicians and the only party that I'd probably support now is is the Green Party because I'll be honest, I actually don't know if any of the others support trans people. Oh not anymore. Like I used to think that, I don't know, I'm not very big into politics, but I used to think that Labour had the most in favour of LGBT. They did. But not anymore. And I-

We met at Pink News and actually, do you know who was at the Pink News? It was Angela Rayner. Yes. She came up to me, I thought I'm- She did a whole speech about trans rights. Yes! And I feel this woman's not gonna know who I am. I knew who she was, because I'm quite into politics. And she went, Ella, because when I meet people, I always go, you won't know who I am, but...

And then she went, I do know who you are. And I was like, oh my God, this was just under two years ago, about 18 months ago. And she was like, you know, I wanna be here as a... Labour weren't in government then, but we wanna be here for all trans people and everyone who's queer and do what we can for pride and bloody, bloody bad, same old spiel that they all use.

And then fast forward to now, your party is okay because the prime minister, who is the labor leader, has come out saying he's like in favor of the ruling. And I get that politicians are scared of being canceled because this is such a taboo topic that it's like, when they get asked such a direct question, what is a woman to you? They are put into a position where if they say

what they really think, they're gonna piss off the whole of the queer community and the trans people. But then if they, I guess, stick with what I'd say the majority of people are in favor of this new legislation, But then if they, I guess, stick with what I'd say the majority of people are in favor of this new legislation, what they think, it's like, yeah, you know, we're back in the majority of people and we agree that biological women are the only type of women, trans people,

trans women, you know, don't fall into that category. They feel like they've kind of done their job, they could done talking about it and then they can move on. We're the ones now that are left feeling unsafe, not knowing what's gonna happen because of the Supreme Court ruling. So it is, I'm just saying, I'm just literally admiring what you're saying

and your willingness to kind of like share it in a way that is accessible to those that might be open to learning what's going on and actually understanding the trans community. Me, myself, I don't know many trans people. So for me, it's like, let me actually sit down and take you in. Let me take it in, do you know what I mean?

And it's like, I feel like it's real for me to be curious about what's going on and understand your shared experience. Just cause I don't know what, I have no connection with anyone that's trans. I do feel like sitting down, speaking about it, it's me learning as well. But do you think that maybe because you, I assume,

have probably experienced some sort of racial injustice in your life can relate to me slightly? That's where I think I can... I think we all have shared life experiences. Yeah, we do. And that's like part of like, I guess, the representation that's important. Like we all go through breakups,

we all have get into arguments, we all make mistakes and we all have certain life moments that just makes us people, right? And there's so many layers that we can connect to one another, whether you're gay or straight or white or black. And at the end of the day, we're all people. And for someone like, especially these turfs

who refuse to find those human connections with trans people, it just makes me fucking heartless. It is, but I think that actually, I don't agree with what you said, but the majority of people don't face daily discrimination. You do because of some people's skin color, you do because of your gender or the fact that I'm trans. So that actually, yes, we all go through

different life experiences and we can share, you know, something traumatic that we've all gone through, but actually, you know, you guys as white people, without sounding rude, you will never face discrimination because of your skin color. I'll face it not because of your skin color. I'll face it not because of my skin color, but because of the fact I'm trans

and you will because of the color of your skin. So that's how I've learned to educate so many of my black friends who were very, not naive, but they just didn't understand it. I think it's because it's such a taboo. It is, and that's why I just want us to be open and talk about it. It's like the elephant in the room,

and I'm like, but actually think about it. If you can compare your situation with somebody else's, it's still a form of discrimination. You receive racism, I receive transphobia. It's the same, it's just slightly different in the forms that you get it in, does that make sense? Yeah, it does make sense.

For me, it's just like, I feel like everybody has their opinions, but also allow other people, especially small minority groups, to speak about what they're going through, their experiences, and just have a level of understanding. I think that's the way it is. And I feel like that's where sometimes the majority are for this new ruling. It's like, we don't care about what you guys have to say.

This is what stands. That's it. And it shouldn't be like that. It shouldn't, but I also am not naive. I think I'm good at being an advocate now because I don't do, when I was younger, I used to watch like Daybreak and Good Morning Britain and all those shows. And you would always see whenever something came up

about trans people or gay people or anything or Black Lives Matter, I remember when that happened during lockdown and the whole George Floyd thing. And you see that they put on someone who's opposed and someone who's for, and they do this debate style interview. And it riles me up because when I was younger, I used to watch people that I now look up to

have to kind of explain their existence or justify who they are or their existence. Nobody on this planet should have to justify their existence, which is why the way I go about being an advocate isn't to rant and rave and shout and jump down with someone's throat and say, you're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong. Instead, I think I come from it from an understanding

that actually you might have beliefs in certain things that I don't and you, Billy, too. But I'm okay with that. I'm not here to, A, say I'm a biological woman because I never can and I never will be able to say that, but I'm just saying that actually I am a woman. I'm just a different type of woman that's not cis and that's okay.

But I also just hate when these big media corporations think, right, we're gonna get some click baits and views. Let's put two people on that are gonna be at loggerheads with each other. And I'm like, no, I're gonna get some click baits and views. Let's put two people on that are gonna be a loggerheads with each other. And I'm like, no, I refuse to do that. And I come, and I think that's why people relate to me and like me, because most of my, not fan base, but my followers are actually cis women over the age of 30.

And I think it's because people relate to me, whether it's because I've gone through breakups or I've been so vulnerable. And I think you're never gonna win someone over by me sitting here now and saying, you're wrong, your opinion's wrong, this is how it should be. I understand that everyone's gonna agree with it

because I don't always agree with everything. And that's fine. I just want people to hear my story and hear my point, talking for the community and maybe just learn something and take something away from it. I'm not here to change everyone's mind because I'm not crazy. I know that'm not here to change everyone's mind because I'm not crazy.

I know that I'm never gonna change everyone's mind. Just a little bit crazy. Yeah, just a little bit crazy. So, yeah, and I agree, like, it's an opinion. We all have one. It's like an asshole. Everybody has one. Same with an opinion. So, I'm not here to convince everyone that that's completely wrong.

I'm just here to say, see it from our point. What about my safety now? I don't want to walk into a man's bathroom. Also, I refuse to, I will not do that. Because what if something happens to me? The dangers there are like, it's creating way more problems. And it's also avoided the main issue, which was predatory men.

So now they've brought in this ruling that's gonna make a thousand more issues, especially for the trans community. And they've actually just bypassed the main problem, which is predatory men. So what have they actually accomplished? Why are they celebrating? The predatory men are now finding it easier

to go into these bathrooms. And you've got J.K. Rowling sitting there smoking a cigar and you just think. Don't even talk about that one. I've never been a fan of Harry Potter and I never will be. No, no new season. Do you know what, actually though, at the time, when it came out, I remember I got the call

to do Good Morning Britain the day that it all came out about this whole relish. You were amazing on that, by the way. Thank you so much. There was so much I wanted to say, because my whole point, which I'm gonna try and make now, is when Richard Madley was lovely, when he was interviewing me, Charlotte was lovely and the woman that I was next to, Daisy, was also lovely, no issues with her. And everyone

treated me great, but I know that probably some people would probably hold him back. I'm sure that maybe she wanted to say certain things that she couldn't say. Media-trained. holding back. I'm sure that maybe she wanted to say certain things that she couldn't say. Media trained. Yeah, unlike me. But I think the whole interview, a lot of it was talking about toilets and hospital wards. There's so much my point to this was when I found out the news, the only thing it wasn't toilets or hospital was that worried me. It was a fact that after everything I've been through and everything that every other trans person's been through, right now legally, we could potentially be put in passports, driver license, documentation as a male.

If you'd said to me 15 years ago when I started transitioning, you'll go through all of this, you'll have surgery, and some trans people choose to do that and some don't. So I am talking on behalf of the community, but I am talking from my experience now. I've obviously chosen to go through, you know, medical transition. I have hormones. I've had surgery. I have a vagina. I've had all of that done. But just because that's the way I've done it doesn't mean that that's the blueprint for every other trans person and people

need to remember that. That's very important because a lot of the time people almost have a checklist, how trans are you? Yeah, I'm no more trans than anybody who's just started transitioning two weeks ago, who hasn't even had hormones. I don't proclaim to be the queen of trans. I believe I'm an icon, yes, but I'm not the full icon of all trans people. And that's what people need to remember

is that I am talking as someone who has transitioned that way, but that's not the way that everyone goes about it. And that's what people need to remember is that I am talking as someone who has transitioned that way, but that's not the way that everyone goes about it. And that's absolutely fine. They're no less of a trans woman because of not having hormones, not having surgery. But the thing that peed me off when I saw that article about this new ruling was actually that legally now I would be seen as a man. And I think 15 years ago, if you'd said, Ella, you're going to go through all of this, but you're still going to be in 15 years as a man. And I think 15 years ago, if you'd said, Ella, you're gonna go through all of this, but you're still gonna be in 15 years legally a man.

Yes, of course I would have done it because it was a choice. It wasn't a choice of I wanna be a woman or a man. It was a choice of life and death. I either wanted to be Ella and live and be authentic, or I just didn't wanna be her anymore. And that's the case, but I'd probably see the majority of trans people.

So the toilet thing wasn't what was on my mind, it was the fact that I have had to work, same as women, cis women have had to struggle for their rights for years. But we also have had to fight for our rights for so many years and actually the years have progressed for cis women, it's got better for you. As trans people, it's actually the years have gone by, it got better for you. As trans people, it's actually, as the years have gone by, got worse for us. And I'm just like, I don't know how much more to you I can prove that I'm a woman, to the point now

that I'm actually done with proving that I'm a woman, I know I'm a woman. Whether it's legally on paper or not, I don't care. I am a woman, of course it would be nice to have a birth certificate, because I haven't actually done my gender recognitions certificate. I applied for it a few months ago,

and I still haven't got it. So I don't quite know how that's gonna work now. Same with a lot of things with this ruling. No one really knows what was going on with so much of it. It's like, we've dropped this bomb and then give us a few months or a few years and we'll work out the logistics of how it works. So yeah, that's what upset me the most.

It was that I've struggled in a different way to other people. And right now, like, not that it's all been for nothing, but it's like I'm legally a man. And I just think I'm literally just a woman that's trying to live my life. I'm not here to upset anyone or molest anyone or do anything. I'm just trying to be Ella.

And I don't think that, you know, ruins someone else's life or existence. How does me being Ella affect you? Watch me on telly, you'll love me. I was gonna say, with like the ruling being in place now, have you already seen or felt like the way people treat you or treat trans folk, has it changed or has it been the same? From my point of view, I can see visibly online

that the way that trans people are treated now is the worst I think it's ever been because so many people that have their opinion here and there about trans people online now feel justified that they can say what they want and it's got even worse. It's like people are, like J.K. Rowling has fully just come out with a cigar and a glass of whatever being like, you know, we've won today or whatever she said.

And I just thought, wow, that is just so, it's a big F you to trans people or wanted to do whatever she said. And I just thought, wow, that is just so, it's a big F you to trans people or actually to queer people really. 100%. Because we all should stand by each other. Exactly. Whether you're trans or not, we should all stand by each other.

Do I think it's affected me? I, it's affected me in the way that I'm now more conscious and scared to use toilets, to go into the gym, train room. I hate that for you. Cause I don't think you should live like that. That thinking always like, looking behind your shoulder. Like it's not the way of life.

But that's the way that cis women feel, after the whole Sarah Everard case, including me, I was walking around at late at night thinking, oh my God, it's a nice hot sunny day. I can go home in the dark. Yeah, and I just thought, wow, what if something happens to me? So if people could compare that as cis women,

if you can think you walk down the streets, probably all the time worrying that something could happen to you. I now feel that, which I probably didn't necessarily feel as much as I have now, every day now. Since this, I'm like, oh God, well, I'm clearly not gonna use the male toilet, but to have to baited using the disabled toilet.

And I think, but that's me taking away someone's space. It really does need it. And also there's never a bloody, you always have to have special key data to get it. But I definitely have seen a rise in, and it makes me laugh because the comments are just barbaric. The rise in my trolling online hate has been the worst it's ever been.

Now I can say that with a smile. I don't know. But it just makes me laugh that people... The worst thing they can say to me is, you're a tranny, you're a man, you'll always be a man. I've heard that so many times before this ruling. So nothing has changed in terms of that. But the amount of people that feel that it's okay now to say it to me,

I've just seen it rise. So, yeah, I got hate before. And what's the worst thing you can call me a man, but because I joke about it and I'm like, oh, legally I'm a man now. It's like, because I've said it, the elephant's now been taken out of the room because it's like nothing that anyone can say

really is gonna hurt me now because I've already said it or I've made the joke first, which is why I always go about things in a jokey way. Because I think if I can say it before anyone else, you know what you have to say won't hurt me. But yeah, the amount of hate I've got, even this morning someone said something, what did she say?

She was like, enjoy using the, a male toilet, I hope something happens to you. Where do I find her? Yeah, oh, let's find her. What's the act? What is it? But to wish me to be abused and have harm on me, babe. So probably got better vagina than her.

So yeah, but the trolls always try and come at us for the way we look. And I think, honey, have you looked in the mirror? Okay, because that eyeshadow is so 2002. But I just laugh about it. And I'm not being horrible to anyone. I'm just being horrible to the people that troll me. Giving it back and that's deserved. And giving it back 10 times.

But then I don't want to stoop to their level. That's why I never reply. You know when celebs or whoever get cancelled because like a few years ago, someone finds a resurfaced old tweet that they've been homophobic or something. You'll never ever find out about me. And you'll also never see me retaliate online with anyone in my comments. Because you think that my precious time, which, you know, I'm a busy girl, I'm booked to busy. You think I'm gonna spend my time replying to you

because you've got some ludicrous comment about me. Yeah. You can stay over there. I don't read the comments. So they're actually just wasting their time when they put in the podcast. Oh, I do read them. I laugh at them. And then I think you're not going to get a reply. Because if you give them that ammunition, they've won then. Hence why if I ever do a debate,

if I ever was asked to do some kind of debate, I will never shout. I will always just stand my ground, but I'll be like, yeah, okay, you're a good boy. Because after a while I'm like, I will wait for you to talk and then I'll provoke you to the point where you be like, yeah, okay, your opinion is your opinion. And then you're good, boy, because after a while I'm like, I will wait for you to talk and then wait for you, I'll provoke you to the point where you're like, hit me, touch me, and then I'll drive out. The devil comes out, yeah. But I just love the fact that you're just keeping it real and it's like, you know what, you guys go ahead,

y'all talk, I'm living my life, I'm doing me, and I'm good, regardless. And you did carry yourself with such grace on the Good Morning Britain show. You did. And like you said earlier, they do almost kind of like preemptly get people on to have an argument and it was really refreshing that you two had different points of view from

the same conversation and you were able to kind of like bring what you had to the table without a shouting match. How like, do you feel like that that's what you were brought on to do on that show? I don't necessarily. I don't think that they brought me on for that actually, because even though if you've watched any shows I've been on, yes, I can be quite loud and frash and I don't bite my tongue. I don't see it as me ever being rude. I just call a spade a spade.

And if I feel a type of way, I'm gonna say it, but I always just try and say it in a cool, calm way because you always get a better response that way. So no, and I actually said to the researcher who was wonderful, I said, just so you know, I'm not coming on to debate my existence because I never would do that. There's nothing to debate.

I'm Ella, I'm a woman and I'm fit and sexy and all fly and all that stuff. Who found our stinger? What did she say Tiffany when she went, Gemma thinks she's hot, flying sexy. I am hot, flying sexy. She's all of the sorts. So I don't know if they did bring me on for that, but I knew that when I went on there, I was like, I refuse to do what so many other people would want to do, which is scream and

shout and debate. And I thought, no, I'm going to hold my own because actually it makes me look better and it makes them look dumb. So, um, no, I don't think they brought me on for that, but I made it very clear that I would not be doing that on the show. Um, and when I say something, I think people listen, they're like, yeah, okay, we won't mess with her. Cause then you will see my crazy bitch side, which doesn't come out very often anymore. Yeah, oh bless. What do you think the answer is to educate the British public

on the trans community? Is it more representation, more conversations, or like being taught in schools? Like, what do you think is... I don't know if it's necessarily... Well, actually, I've been a big advocate for... I was at the Metro Pride Awards a few weeks ago, and I actually got asked to present an award. And I made it up on the spot, but I quickly wrote a few notes before I went up, because I thought, I'm in

a room full of really influential producers, directors, casters, actors, singers, etc. And I thought, I'm going gonna do what a lot of people are too scared to do because it means they might not get hired. And I thought, you know what, I could not get hired for another TV job again. I need to stand in my truth. So I literally said to the horror room,

I was like, you guys all, especially there was a lot of white cis men in there because they're the people at the top most of the time. You all have a responsibility to educate the masses. Netflix were there, the whole, the table next to me was the Netflix execs. And I just said like, you all have a responsibility to fairly and equally spread the playing field

of speaking about kind of black culture and gay people and trans people and kind of represent everyone because the one kind of minority group or community that is never represented enough is it's not a pick me thing, but is a trans community. And I think if there was more representation, then people would be like me, for example, being on my own at first sight, the majority of the people that watch that show

are not queer and they're cis people, which is probably why I think my fan base is mainly cis women. I don't know if people just wanna nurture me or they just feel sorry for me or because I'm so vulnerable, they see me as like a daughter, but I'm like, I thought all my fans would be gay men and trans women, but yeah, I think when you put someone like me on that show, it was such a shit storm. It was so big.

It was the headlines weren't all about the new cast is announced. It was all first trans bride, first trans bride, first trans bride. And I just thought I knew that was going to happen. But I got the hate straight away before they'd even watch the show. As soon as I got announced as being on the show, it was like, let's just bombard Ella with abuse. But every time that someone trans is in the public eye and does do a show, there is a lot of press around it.

So I don't even know if representation... Yes, of course, we do need more representation. But I think it's just people's attitudes that need to change. We could put everyone on TV as trans. Like we could have everyone that's trans on telly. I still don't think it would change everyone's mindsets because if you've got that mindset, you're always going to have it. But I do think that me being on mass and Nadia being on Big Brother and Monroe just being Monroe, the icon, Bimini being on Drag Race. I think with the queer, non-binary trans representation

that's out there, we have to shout more than most people and shout from the rooftops and try and turn the headlines around because the headlines are usually negative. Yes, they write about us and they make a big deal out of it, but nine times out of 10, the headlines are actually really bad.

So I don't know if it's necessarily answer is more representation, but I do believe we should have more representation. We just need people to listen more and also for the media to turn the story around and take it from such a negative story or press article to a positive. And there's certain articles that I read

and I just think that publication, I won't name names but they absolutely hate me and they never write anything good about me even if it's about the way I look or what I've worn on a red carpet there's some kind of little slander in there that they have to throw in there. I think the main issue is is the British press. Yeah I do. Like trans people weren't villain number one ten years ago. And then since these conversations started happening, and especially, let's say, certain publications...

You want to write Daily Mail? We can start a new one. Yeah, I always want to write Daily Mail too. They hate me. They, like, there's more that they churn out. And unfortunately for us, the majority of the public do read it and it's an easy form for them to read and they're seeing like the way that they write about especially trans people is you can do one thing wrong and the first thing is is trans.

Yeah. And it's that's your identity is being labeled at the first thing and then it's being connected to an issue. So like say if you have an argument with someone and they're writing about it, it'd be trans Ella Morgan. Rather than just Ella Morgan. And then it becomes people kind of subconsciously connect trans to being an issue. And people who are reading it are also idiots.

So they are assuming that the trans community are now associated with problems. And it's all down to like what you subconsciously read and what people are like intentionally putting out for you to read. And unless more publications. I agree, but if you notice actually, I've done more research into it.

You do notice that minority groups or smaller groups in the UK are also subject to that. Whenever there's anything about a terrorism, the headline is always Asian man or man from Pakistan. And I'm like, whenever someone white does like, and there's a cis-heterosexual man, their race or their sexual orientation or their gender, like none of that comes into play.

But when it's a minority group, it's not just a trans thing, but that is the way that the press works. And so then people will use that to justify racism or like, you know, like homophobia. So I completely agree with you. I don't know what the answer really is because in 2025, if you're still transphobic or you're hating on such a small group of people that really aren't harming anybody, I actually don't know if you're still transphobic or you're hating on such a small group of people

that really aren't harming anybody, I actually don't know if you're ever gonna change your mindset. No. So yes, more representation would help, mainstream representation, but also like the media, I think, has an obligation to, I, of course, you know, they can't always be impartial.

If you commit crime, you commit crime. But I do think the media has a lot to answer for. I do. Yeah, absolutely. And you could use Prince Astana as an example and what they're doing to make a mark, which I just think is barbaric. So yes, we can protest and what the gays and the queers

and the trans do best is protest. When something goes wrong, we protest for everyone, okay? And I can tell you that if there was a protest for abortion rights, if anything that's happened in America when it comes to abortions happens here, I can tell you that a lot of the people in the protest would be queer people and trans women, even though it doesn't affect me. It's a shame that not everyone stands up for us. But other than protesting It's a shame that not everyone stands up for us. But other than protesting and speaking up, I don't know what more we can do. Whether you're trans or not, everyone has in my eyes

an obligation to stand up for what's right and what's wrong. And for me personally, this whole trans debate, there's no answer about it. Like it is wrong. It's completely wrong. And I think everyone should stand up. People should use their social media because people always say this to me,

what can I do, what can I do? And I'm like, you're asking me because you're just too lazy. You know what you have to do. You're a 30 year old woman. Like there's certainly, and actually you don't have to put this in the edit. I've cut ties with so many celeb friends

or so many people that I've been on shows with, especially the mass people, because not one, bar one person, which is Jay, the ginger girl, who was born with one arm, she is an icon. She was, and I will say this, and you can put this in the edit, she was the only one that vocally stood up for me and put it on her Instagram.

And I think everyone else, like you all licked my ass during the show and you all wanna know me now because I'm doing well and you're not. But you don't, you don't wanna stand up and talk. So I've canceled them all. I don't want to know any of them. And that's how I'm starting to treat people now.

I never used to, I'm protecting myself. Because I think if you're not gonna stand up for me when I stood up for you for X, Y, and Z, I don't want you in my life. And I did put that on my Insta. And then I think I may have got a few unfollows, but I really can't give a shit now. So yeah, I think people just need to use their common sense,

write on Instagram, show your support, repost, have the conversations with your friends. When I did the podcast with Paul, he said to me, Ella, I'll be honest, there's a lot of my friends that actually don't talk about you as a she, they talk about you as a he. And I'm not- You say friends.

Yeah, his friend, yeah. He said it on the pod and I'm glad it made the edit. And he was like, there was a time in his life, and I'm so glad that Paul actually spoke about it and wasn't scared to talk about it. But he was like, there was a time in my life where, you know, I didn't get it and I'd never met anyone trans. He was like, Ella, you're the first trans person I've ever met and you've educated me most of the time

without actually having to say anything, having to educate. Me just being me and existing as Ella has been like, she's just Ella, she's just a girl like everyone else, way more fabulous, no offense, but. And so I think people always find excuses to not advocate, but then if it affects them, they all wanna shout from the rooftop. So yeah, have the conversations with your friends

and be like, no, she's not a he, she is a she, that is wrong, because it's so easy to laugh and joke about things, which I actually am guilty of doing. But actually that just justifies people joking and making a mockery of us and thinking that's okay. So yeah, there's loads of people can do, head to my Instagram, follow me, okay. We were talking about this before we started rolling

and it kind of, I have this conversation a lot of the time with like my cis girlfriends about how anytime that there is an issue with gay men, women, trans women, the entire LGBT community, all rally together and support the issue. But I feel like as a gay man, I don't see as many gay men doing the same for women or for the trans community.

And it's, we were talking about this earlier and I was like, part of me is like, is that, is that like a male privilege thing? I think so. Because a lot of gay people that I know, they're all happy to kick in the gay clubs, you'll see me at Heaven and GAY and Freedom. And they'll be like, oh my God, let's go on a night out. And sometimes, and I hate to say it, and I've never said this before, but I actually sometimes have felt like an accessory to a gay guy where it's like, oh my,

even before I was in the public eye, and it was like, oh my God, you're trans, and like, girls do it, cis women do it, in this girls bathroom. And I'm here for it, I'm like, oh my God, yeah, I'll tell you my life story, because I'm really drunk. But actually, when I look back it, I'm like, oh my God, yeah, I'll tell you my life story, because I'm really drunk. But actually when I look back now, I'm like, it was like a fascination

that the girls had in the girls' stories. But actually the gay boys would literally, or gay men would be like, oh my God, you're trans, let's kick you, let's go on a night out, let's have a drink. That's all that they wanted. But then when it comes to actually supporting us, when you're not in the club, so many gay men do not pipe up and say anything.

Whereas I think if anything happened now, you know, with the, like with HIV and the AIDS pandemic years ago, so many people stood together. And even now, you know, if that was to ever come up again, people would talk and stand up including myself. But I don't, I do agree with you. I actually don't feel like a lot of gay men stand by what they say

and do stand by me or the community. And I do think it's like accessory, we're an accessory when it suits them to go on a night out or to be friends with someone who's trans. I had to cut out some friends, I think, years ago wear an accessory when it suits them to go on a night out or to be friends with someone who's trans. I had to cut out some friends, I think, years ago when I felt that I was being the accessory in a group because I was loud, funny, gorgeous, smart.

Have a great coupé. And you just realize that actually I'm more than that. And when people, there was instances where friends kind of, if I wasn't being the loudest in the room or the funniest, they were like, what's wrong with you? Why are you not getting drunk? And I was like, wow. You have to live up to their expectation

of what they thought a gay person was like. Yeah, which I don't do anymore. And I agree with you, what you've done is right. Cut people out. I don't think in the last year, I've ever cut out so many people than ever before. Spring cleaning. Yeah, because I just think I don't need loads of friends

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You don't need them. No, I don't. Once you know you can stand by yourself and your confidence in yourself as well, you don't need to hang on to those people. So when they do see you detached, or they do see you be like, oh, what's going on there?

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We were talking then about acquaintances and obviously you've been in the public eye for a couple of years now. Who's your most famous acquaintance? Oh, me, silly. Amen. No, so I actually I've met Nicola, is it Clocken? Yeah, from Derry Girls. Yeah, I met Nicola for the first time the other day at the BAFTA party and I went, hi Nicola, you won't know who I am, which is what I always say. Bridgerton.

Yeah, Bridgerton. And Lady Whistledown. She doesn't know anything. Derry Girls, Icon. We talked about her on the podcast last week. Irish girl, sure. Because she is one of- Can I fill myself up?

Yeah, go for it. Don't not fill myself up. Nicola. Yeah, Nicola Cockland, she's Irish, but she's one of these- She's on our final pitch. Yeah, to educate you, Kristy. Yeah. Last week...

She has no idea. Last week we did an episode and we were talking about so many celebrities that she had no idea we were talking about. I mean, I want to watch his extenders. Like who? Well, we were talking about Pedro Pascal wearing the Protect My Dolls t-shirt. He's fit and I really want to marry him. I never fancied him until he started, I realized how much of an advocate he was.

Yeah, do you know who I am a huge fan of? And all these three men are big advocates. I was on the train earlier actually, thinking if you're gonna ask me about who I fancy. Harry Jowsey, is it Jowsey? Yes. I am obsessed with him, he's so fit and he's Australian. And I just met a photographer who took some pictures for me. Oh, that sounds a bit wrong, but he is so hot.

And he's, oh yeah, he's Australian, he's cute. I fancy Young Blood so much, so much. And he is an ally to the trans people. He is an ally. Yeah, so they're my crushes. So Harry and Pedro as well. And Young Blood, just everyone just DM me because I am a single. Where am I looking? This is my camera. I am a single Pringle and I haven't been touched in quite a while. So, yeah, anyone who... I just joined Hinge. I want Rhea to accept me.

If any of you are you on there, can you send me a referral? I need to get on Rhea. I was on Rhea once, paying £15 and he didn't get a single match. Oh, no. I don't believe in dating apps no more. No, but I believe in the hot, sexy, rich men behind the apps. I'm like, yeah. I just take the rich men at this point.

Give me a shake. So yeah, most famous person I've got in my contacts is, I don't know, Daisy May Cooper, Talisa, that's my iconic one. Talisa, I love her. Tasha Gorey, Olivia Atwood. And then the person I was most starstruck to meet, weird one. No, she's not weird, but this is a bit of an odd one. I'm the biggest, biggest fan of Tim Burton and Helen Bonham Carter.

And I met Helen at the Bachelor last year. And I was just like this. I was like, oh my my god and Jasmine, she's from Top Boy, Jasmine, um, Jobs. Oh yeah, I don't know her name but I know you're talking about her. I love Jasmine, she was, oh I've got her, she follows me on Insta too, messaged me, yeah. Can you just let her know that, Jobson, yeah. Yeah.

Can you let her know I want to be in the mix, Top Boy. I'll see you next week and I'll let her know. I could just be a little, you know, yeah, next week. I'll be in the shop or something. Yeah, but yeah, I try to think if there's anyone else. Is there any way that you like have been apart from hell or bonk, like you've been starstruck? I think when I met Bimini and Munro for the first time. That was a big pivotal moment for me because for so many years I'd looked up to them. Who really, Olivia Atwood has to be one that I love.

Yeah, I love her. And Megan McKenna, I remember I did, my first red carpet ever was Pride of Britain Awards a few years ago and I was on the carpet and I saw Megan, then I saw Olivia and I was like, I'm the love child of Megan McKenna in her crazy era and Olivia Atwood. Cause like, and they're both a bit,

like we're all very similar. I was gonna say. We're all kind of girls are quite similar. And now we've all turned quite classy. Megan's had a baby and she's loving life. Olivia's just bossing it. And now I'm finally slightly more classy than I was. So yeah, they're the girls

that I used to look up to that I'm who actually aren't trans, but I'm just like, you're amazing and you're just so empowering. I think there probably is. I've met, there's a certain celeb man that I've met that I was just ogling over and I didn't know what to actually say to him. I was drunk and I couldn't get my... There was a rapper. He was... That's probably one of the best DMs I've ever had. A certain rapper that was sliding in there. Was it like a yo? Was it like an emoji like to have picture? What was it? No, no, no, we had a conversation. There were words, I promise. All right, but yeah, he's quite cute.

So what do you think is next for reality shows in the LGBTQ plus space? You said, is it a trans love island? So have you seen the recent article about a trans woman going into love island this year, potentially? No, I did see it. Yeah, so Mimi, I think I could say her name. Oh, sorry. Mimi. So I know Mimi. I'm friends with Mimi. So she didn't tell me. I had to read it online. And then the first thing I did was message

her and be like, so is it true? Are you doing it? Do you need some advice? Don't ask me. So I actually applied for Love Island before I did Married at First Sight because I just thought, you know what, if there's gonna be someone that can represent everyone, not just trans people, I do, without being bekele, think that I'm a great person. Like, I'm just kind of a bit of everything. And I obviously didn't get it,

and then I did Married at First Sight, but when I read the news about the whole trans person, someone trans being in Love Island, I just thought, and this is probably how a lot of people thought when they read that there was gonna be someone trans on mass. So actually I can put myself in their shoes. I did think, I really hope ITV, if this is true, because it's rumored at the minute,

if they do do that, ITV must have a really good duty of caring while petting. Because that is such a mainstream show that probably isn't actually watched by a lot of queer people. The majority of viewers are cis, heterosexual people. And social media, when Love Island is on. Already, those articles online about her doing Love Island potentially, disgust him. So, slightly envious, because I wish I could have done it, but I've done dating

shows now. That would be my third. I can't do any more. I do think, yes, we need to be more trans inclusive. I would like there to be an I Kissed a Boy, I Kissed a Girl time show, but for trans. The problem is logistically. And I get where Love Island and ITV are coming from when they say, how do we logistically do it if we put someone trans in? You'd have to make sure that on the application, with my season of mass, the application said, would you be open to dating someone trans?

Post-op, pre-op, someone who's in a wheelchair, someone who's lost a limb. It was very in-depth. So if ITV were to do that and make sure that the trans thing was on there and that some people ticked it were okay, then I you know, I'm all for more representation. It shouldn't have to fall to shows like maths and Big Brother to have trans people because I actually don't know many other shows that

have had anyone trans on. Even though you said that like, you know, you were the first trans contestant on Marriedott Farsight and Celeb to Go Dating, but you've also been the last. It should be that there's so many trans people, so many gay people, so many black women, so many plus size women, like we should be so inclusive to everyone. And I'm so bored of hearing the whole, oh, you know, they're white, they're cis, they're heterosexual. I'm bored of it. They're from Essex. Yeah. Like how many more Essex people do we need on our telly? No offence if you're from Essex. Sorry, Bobbie. Oh, I love Essex boys, but if that makes you feel any better. But no, yes, I do believe there's an

obligation to represent everyone. Of course, there's people that will argue, well, why would we represent a minority that most people have never met, spoken to or are friends with? I kind of get that standpoint, but I think they're just using that as an excuse not to be inclusive. I think it's about time now after 10 or 11 seasons of Love Island, let's start putting in people that are queer, okay, and different plus sizes. It's always like the same, but that's why I loved Mimi, because Mimi was the first black woman that ever won with, I can't remember his name, but he was hot.

Oh, of course he's named Josh. Yeah. It's always the Josh's name. Really hot in real life. I saw him at Pride of Britain, I was like. Oh, the last Love Island. Yeah. Yes.

But yeah, I do think that there should be more representation, but I also understand now where there's more trans girls and trans men that are stout. Do you know what stout means? I'm gonna educate you very quickly. Stout is where someone who is, and I'm gonna use this from a trans point of view, is where someone who is trans doesn't come out publicly.

So someone who's stout doesn't recognize to know, recognize to everyone else that they're trans, it's not something that they... That's what it means, Billy, isn't it? I've never heard of it before. Oh, you haven't? No. Okay, so... Educate us. Okay, yeah, stout is kind of someone who's not out. So they may have come out to close family and friends,

but they wouldn't publicly disclose that they're trans, which actually, I hate to say it, is probably one of the safest things for trans people right now to do because of what's going on. Leave it to me and the other loud voices and they're very loud. Charlie Craggs is so loud.

Monroe is amazing. Like Bimini is incredible. Leave it to us to do the fighting because I wanna make sure that all trans people that I know and even the ones I don't know are safe. And I actually think right now is a scary time to come out and be vocal as a trans person.

So that's why I'm always like, I would just rather my younger self, if I could look back now, be like, just do you, be stealth. You don't need to come out to everyone. You don't need to disclose it. You don't owe anyone anything, which is sad. It shouldn't have to be like that. But the world's not a very good place right now.

And hopefully in a few years people can, does that, is that okay what I've just said? Yeah, okay. But yeah. Joy is, I feel like, let's say for instance, Mimi does go on to Love Island and she's the first trans on Love Island. I feel like those producers,

like you said when you did your speech, all they need to do is just ask, sit down with the trans community, how can we make it inclusive for you guys? What do you guys wanna see? How can we join you for presenting you guys in a way? And I don't know why it's so hard to do it. Hello, hi.

I feel like that they purposely put haters in there. You know what I mean? Like sometimes you're watching it, like people who- To rile things up. To rile things up, which is dangerous for queer people. It is, but I always look at the positives of life. And the positives in that is that then

if you have someone like me in a house, say I did Big Brother and I was with someone who is like against trans people, it gives viewers a chance to watch someone educate someone else. So I would then use that to be, instead of shouting and screaming at them, I'd make them feel this small because I would educate them.

And so I'm not in agreement with them hiring people, putting people in shows that are horrible and rude and opposed to people that are from a minority. But I also do think it is a chance for people, viewers, and that person to learn and grow and have an experience with someone who's trans. Because let's be honest, when you put someone trans on a show,

most people, I'm assuming most of you guys in this room, because you're in this industry and you meet people like me all the time, it's different for you. But most people, average Joe that you meet on the street, have never ever met someone trans, never been in the environment with someone trans. So I actually do think it's a really good chance for people to be educated to the masses.

And I think, like, television representation is great because people that would never be exposed to someone who is trans or gay or black or, you know, whatever, they are now then hopefully gonna watch a show that they're used to watching, but this time, this time around, they're someone who's slightly different to what they're used to seeing.

And it makes them think, oh, okay, I'm not used to that. I've never met someone like that, but I'm learning something. So I do think it's good to show representation. I just don't want us to be used for click bait and for headlines. So I think it's about hiring the right people. Sometimes there's a lot of people that I know who are trans

and I hate to slag off my community because we're amazing, but there are small, small few people that just want the money, the headlines, the fame. No, I won't say it because there is someone that really wiles me, but I won't say their name. No, we won't go into that. But yeah, it's about hiring the right people. And I think I come with good intentions,

but I just wouldn't want there to be someone who comes with bad intentions. Like if you've got a trans woman on there that is just going crazy and wild and fighting everyone. And then, yeah. You're, A, you're representing. So you need to be a voice for all of us, whether you like it or not.

As soon as you're put on a show like that, I knew I had the role to represent, so I had to be careful what I said and did. We can't then be having people that are just going absolutely crazy, because you're not gonna do yourself favors, us favors, or anyone favors, because people are gonna be like,

this is why we don't like trans people. This justifies our kind of excuse. So it's about hiring the right people, but is why we don't like trans people. This justifies our kind of excuse. So it's about hiring the right people, but yeah, we definitely need more trans people. It is a shame though, because like, you should, you have the right to be- Who you are and what you are, yeah. If you're crazy, and do you know what I mean?

Like you have the right to live a human experience like any other person, if it's a cis person, and they're going crazy. Like the fact that if a trans person is doing that, it shouldn't be about their identity. But unfortunately, the reality is, you do have to be careful. You do.

Yeah. You're never gonna win anyone over, sadly. And now more than ever, it's like we need the best kind of representation that we can get now, because sadly with what we're going through. So I agree with you, everyone should just be able to be themselves on telly,

but I do, my actual advice is, and I'm just being honest is, it wouldn't be great to hire someone who is ranting and raving and screaming at everyone, because you're not going to do yourself favors, and you certainly won't do us favors when we need it now more than ever, which probably is a bit controversial to say but that's just my opinion and I think I am a bit right when I think that. Honey I know I've gotten T-shirt I've done

shows. But out of the two, maths and celeb go dating, which one did you prefer? Oh um I actually I actually... I had more fun filming maths, because I was with my girls. Like, Tasha J. Ross were my girl group, and we had the best time. So even though I didn't leave with like a boyfriend, or I didn't, you know, get to leave with JJ in the way that I guess at the time I wanted to,

I still had so much fun. Like, those girls are incredible, and just the bond that we had made it so much more special. But I think actually, Celebska Dayton was probably my favorite of the two because I felt like I was in my element. I knew who I was, what I wanted. I'd grown up so much since in between film and maths and Celebska Dayton. And I was a bit like, I'm coming in as Ella. I know what I want. I'm gonna be confident. And I think when I did maths, I just had no idea.

I was deer in the head like, I was like, what do I want? Who even am I? And I look back now and I'm like, Ella, you knew who you were the whole time, but you second guessed yourself because of the person that you were with, made you feel like that. We weren't even gonna say his name, husband I married,

because I don't wanna give him the clout. Because honey doesn't need to mention his name to get headlines. She's still relevant. You do have to mention my name to be some sort relevant. She's shaking the table. No, it's so annoying. Like don't talk about me on pods. Like it was two years ago. Are they still doing that? He is still doing that. Maybe not Swiffly. Not JJ luckily, he's been good. So yeah, So Let's Good Day to Me was amazing. I met Stephen, Helen Flanagan is the ball, Jamelia, the fact I was on a show when I have children, hopefully, I can be like, your mommy was on a show with Jamelia, the icon. Do you know who she is? I had like Chris, Tristan, Lauren, everyone was lovely. But I think me and Helen, Steven and Jamelia was,

and Paul was great. Anna was incredible. They were all just looked after me and I was treated like a proper celeb because I was. And you are. Yeah, so no, celeb hands down was the best thing I've done. What is, what's next? What are you gonna conquer next?

Can I actually say? Do you know what? I'm one of these people who I love to do a bit like, I don't know, Rihanna, she sings, she acts, you know, she's got amazing campaigns and her own business. That, I guess I'm like Paris Hilton, I can sing, people don't know that. I can act, people don't know that.

But hopefully they will soon. Oh my God, you're the UK Paris Hilton. Yeah. That is so true. I just wanna put my name to something though. And then be like, yeah, like I actually work really hard. I'm working really hard on something now that people will see I could be wearing it. Or wearing something.

Tee, tee. So yeah, that's a big deal for me. But yeah, I wanna do more TV. I love being on telly. Like, in fact, people seem to like me. Like people can say, we miss you on telly, we need you. But I'm very strategic and I'm careful about what I, if I get offered something, what I take now.

So there's certain shows I will do and certain shows I wouldn't. But there's one show that I would, I think I've spoke about it before, so I what I take now. So there's certain shows I will do, and certain shows I wouldn't, but there's one show that I would, I think I've spoke about it before, so I can say it now, Strictly is my absolute dream. I can just see you in the outfits already, walking down those stairs.

Yeah, and I think I've justified my, who I am enough to be on the show, because you know it's a lot of the time, it's actors and singers and authors and politicians and whatever. A lot of the time there's this taboo thing where it's like you know if you're a TV personality you're not as credible as someone else, but I think Tasha last year and Pete really broke the mold and I just do feel like it's time for a trans person to be on

the show so I'm really. Yeah, I would absolutely love to do that. I'd like to write a book. I've been offered to do an autobiography, but I've said no, not yet, because I just think I've got so much. I'm so young still. And to me, there's nothing more cringe than when someone does an autobiography when they're like 21.

Yeah, I agree with that. Like, baby, you haven't even left the womb. So yeah, I would like to do a book. I've obviously got something very exciting coming up in terms of like, how do I word it? What's it meant? Not, yeah, like a brand. A brand.

Very close with two brands. And then acting is what I'm very, very good at and very passionate about. There's one thing I'm like about myself. I'm like, I'm a good advocate, but I'm really, very good at and very passionate about. There's one thing I'm like about myself. I'm like, I'm a good advocate, but I'm really, really good at acting. So, it would be nice if people would see me, hopefully, do something that a lot of people watch or would know about. Watch This Space?

Watch This Space for real! I want to be on this morning, I want to present. I'm so good at presenting and just being like, hi, guys, welcome to This Morning. It's me, Ella Morgan and you. So I'm maybe in my own part. Loads of people want me to be in my own part, but I'm like, oh. No, so keep coming. Do it. Yeah. I'll be a co-host. Do a T to take over. Yeah. Oh my God.

Everything. I wouldn't say no to anything. Maybe I would, but yeah, I'm a celeb would be fun. But I know everyone would vote for me to do every trial. Because what's more fun than watching someone trans eating a, you know, a witchy grub or a camel's ball sack or whatever. I know I would get ruined on that show. So yeah, I would love just anything really. Not MasterChef because I can't cook. No, MasterChef is a bit boring. I'd much rather see you on Strictly or something like that. Well, you know. Okay. Should we go through some of our audience submissions?

Quick fire run. I love these. Let's go. And wrong person. What's one piece of advice you wish you had gotten at the start of your transition? I wish someone had told me to lay off the filler, invest in some good lace front human hair wigs and get makeup lessons. Cause Ella was always there. It was just the way I looked was,

oh my God, if I, cause I'm passing my phone, I'm gonna do something I've never done before. I'm gonna show you something now that's in my camera roll. So this is the first picture in my camera roll. And I've never done this before, but it was like a full circle moment last year. I introduced Girls Aloud on stage

at Brighton Pride, which was just amazing, because I just was obsessed with them. But my obsession, my icon... I just remembered that. We were there. Yeah, so I was obsessed when our chumka was Cheryl. So I met her in 2011 or 2012. Just as I was transitioning. And so this is the advice that I would say to this person.

So it's the first picture of my camera roll and I don't know why I've kept it, but I look absolutely terrible. God. This was me, guys, at the start of my transition. I'm wearing a really bad synthetic wig. I had not had makeup lessons. I was about 17 here.

I can't believe I'm actually letting the internet see this. But listen, starting from the bottom, now we're here. So I've also had a lot of work done, a lot of makeup lessons. I have a glam squad. I've got great hair now. That is one of the first pictures in my transition that I've ever had. And I looked so bad, but I'm so proud of actually how far I've come even though it's laughable because I had a clip on fringe and then a lace front over the top I met Cheryl and then 15 years later I introduced her on stage so anything you want to happen manifesting it well and get a good makeup artist and a nice wig.

Okay my next one is I've been with my boyfriend for two months, but his friends can't accept the fact that I'm trans and act weird around me. What do I do? Do you know what I would say? Dump him, get rid of him. But actually, I know they say that your friends are a reflection of you. But I don't think that if she likes him and he likes her and he accepts her, etc cetera, don't lose a good thing. He needs to drop his friends, have that conversation with him and say, listen, cause I had that with my exes.

A lot of the time the friends wanna be friends with me because, oh, you know, she's in the public eye. And I'm like, but what are their true opinions? And behind closed doors, my exes would be like, oh, they said this and they said that. And I was like, okay, I don't want to be associated with them, nor should you if they think like that, because I'm your girlfriend.

So I didn't want to end the relationship because of the friend's opinion, but maybe they should second guess who their friend's with and have that conversation with them and just say, I don't appreciate that. And if you love me and accept me, then you shouldn't have I don't appreciate that. And you know, if you love me and accept me, then you shouldn't have people around you like that.

And most of the guys I've been with have dropped their friends that were negative. Obviously I'm single now. So who gives a shit? But yeah, that would be my advice. Love that. Okay. I keep ending up dating people who seem more obsessed

with the fact I'm trans rather than me. Have you ever had this and how did you handle it? I mean, yeah, so there's something called, I hate this saying, I hate the word tranny, but there's something called a tranny chaser, which is I guess like queer slang for a guy who chases only trans women and fetches fetishizes us. Fetishizes, yeah.

Anyone who displays any kind of fetish for you just because you're trans in my eyes, no, no, no. Like you don't need to just be with somebody because they accept you. Because this is a problem I've had that I will not have anymore is that I've settled and I've been with guys because they accept me. But I always think if I wasn't trans,

would I be okay with like the way that they treat me in every other way? Do I find them good looking? No. Do they make me laugh? No. Do they provide anything to my life? No.

Do they support me? No. Oh, but because they accept me, you know, I'm just gonna stay with them because what if someone else doesn't accept me? Then I'd rather be a single old bitch on my own. So I don't, A, I don't need a man. So, and B, also if I'm gonna have a man,

I want him to like me for me, not just because of the label. And also a lot, actually, a lot of trans women that have had the downstairs surgery, we find it a little bit harder to find men because if you've got someone who fetishizes a trans woman, a lot of the time it's because they're pre-op and they share kind of characteristics that they're into

and then other bits, if you get what I mean, I don't wanna go too graphic. But once you've had that surgery, like myself, I'm to them, to these men, I'm no longer seen as a fetish because I don't have the extra part that they're fetishizing over. So it's difficult. Dating as a trans person in general is difficult,

whether you're pre-op post or doesn't matter, it is difficult. But I just think if they're just displaying signs that they only kind of like you because of that, honey, get rid. There will be someone else out there that fits you. No one's good enough yet. You've not met anyone good enough yet. That's how I see it. Love that. Aww.

Can we throw it over my head as well? Yeah, three ways. Three ways? Oh, no. Okay. No, I didn't mean it like that. So somebody asked here, what is your career goal? My career goal actually is just to keep on dreaming and to keep on making those dreams come true. Cause I've done, I know, like I'm not silly. I know in my eyes, I joke about it. I know I'm still like a D-lister.

I wouldn't say I'm a Z-lister, like, like, no, don't put her name in, but you know, like they'll just turn up to the opening of a Greg store. Like I'm very picky. And the fact that I got invited to the baster party, I was like, even I'm still very humble and grounded believe it or not. Cause my mom and dad always are like, just remember you're not that big. And I'm like, yeah, you do keep telling me. But A, I'm proud of how far I've come and where I've got in my life. But do I wanna be a D-list anymore?

No, I wanna make it like mainstream. And I know I can and I know I will as big headed as that sounds. I've manifested everything that's happened to me and I absolutely know I'm gonna do big things. So career goal is to make a lot of money. Not that it's about money. It used to be about finding a man, but actually I'm so much happier on my own

and being my own boss. So make enough money to buy myself a lovely big house, buy loads of sausage dogs, retire in the countryside in a thatch cottage, and pay off my parents' mortgage, which was actually the reason I did maths, was because I said to them, I'm going to do maths. Do I want to find a man? I don't really care. I just want to be famous, rich and pay off your mortgage. Yeah, that's the reason generally. Two out of three isn't bad. Yeah, exactly. I know, I know. It's quite a lot. So yeah, I'm still saving. But no, I just want to help my mum and dad out. And I knew I was going to still

be relevant because most people from shows like this don't make it big. No one remembers their name. Like I'm very lucky. No offence. Like I am very lucky that I've not lucky, but I also deserve it. And I've worked hard for it. I've had to put my whole life on that. I never know something about me and I'm trans with all the struggles that's going on right now. I do actually think I don't feel bad. I don't feel bad for the success that I get because I've worked hard for it and I deserve it. There's all most of the people on my show were white cis heterosexual people you didn't have to struggle the same as me in terms of being in the public eye so yeah I do deserve it and I won't actually apologize for that and um yeah so you will still see me for the next few years

or 10 years or whatever, whether you like it or not, because I'm just gonna carry on conquering. Preach. Yes. So we also got one that says, I saw a trans man recently admit that he loves his new male privilege and people treat him better as a man.

Did you have the opposite experience as a woman? I don't know if this sounds controversial saying it, but I did feel slightly back then, this is 15 years ago, when things were actually probably better for trans people than they are now. I did feel weirdly safer and I was treated like guys would hold the door open for me. Do you know what, the thing that I found crazy was that obviously I started to transition,

I've got no sisters, I've just got my mum and I've got three brothers. Even though one of them's gay, he knows nothing about makeup, hair, et cetera. So I kind of had to learn everything myself and my girlfriends weren't really into like glam and hair and makeup and all that stuff, as in the stereotypical kind of the outside. But on the inside, I was like, I know who I am. I'm a girl, but obviously I want to radiate, you know, looking as feminine and being as firm as I can.

And so when I got catcalled for the first time, and then when someone had the door open for the first time, I was so, because I wasn't used to it, I was like the one that had to hold the door open, et cetera. I was just like shocked. And then it became something that I was kind of used to. And I was like, wow, I love the privilege of being a woman. But then there were still times where I got kind of clocked

and I had people being transphobic. So yes, it was amazing. And yes, I did see a difference, but I only really saw a massive difference when I looked passable. So there were times when I, you know, such as that picture, where I didn't look great. I did look just like a boy in a wig.

And people weren't very nice to me. But then as soon as I started presenting and I guess looking stereotypically female, is that the word? Yeah. Then I got taken more seriously and people would be lovely, but then the cat calls would be lovely. And part of me actually, I know people were very against it and I am too. But in the beginning of a transition, when you've fought your whole life to be a woman, and then finally people are seeing you in that way, and you get the attention from boys,

it was a nice feeling, but then as soon as I open my mouth, because I'm not silly, I'm like, I want to get my voice done because I hate the way I talk, and that's the last thing on the list of surgery to do, I'd say something, and then it would be like, oh, my God, that's a bloke, that's a man, that's a tranny. And then I the list of surgery to do. I'd say something and then it would be like, oh my God, that's a bloke, that's a man, that's a tranny. And then I was brought back down to earth.

I was like, oh, I'm beautiful. And then it's like, you're a man. So yeah, I did face privilege, but it took a while. And even now, like I still get people say stuff. I don't know if it's because I'm in the public eye or not, but I think if it wasn't in the public eye and people didn't know who I was again without sounding big headed I don't think I would face that much like hey because I do think I look great but it's taken a lot I've taken a village

like I've paid a lot of money for surgery and I actually take my hat off to all the girls who were like wear their heart on their sleeves and who have the guts to mess with me saying, we love you Ella, but you are very privileged. You've had a lot of work done. You look amazing, so you've got it easy. And I always bear that in mind, because I'm like, yeah, true, because I was in their shoes once

where I didn't necessarily look as passable as I do now. And so that's why I try and advocate the best way I can without sounding a bit like I've made it. I'm better than everyone. I look like this, you know, like there are still days where people say stuff to me. But also equally, I have worked really hard to be where I am. And I also should have just been born a normal, you know, biological woman and not had to

pay thousands of pounds to look like this. But you know, I guess I there was a reason everything happened. I think there's a reason I was not born as a cis woman. And that's because I was here to do God's work right now, which is what I'm doing now, preaching for the trans community. Preach it louder. I love being a trans woman. And if you could say to me, would you rather be a cis? And just go through, you know, when you popped out your mum's fanny,

just being a cis woman and not transition. I would say absolutely not. I love being who I am and I think I'm incredible. And we're all incredible. Well, we think you're incredible and we love you. And thank you so much for coming on today. Thank you for having me. Yeah!

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