Tea at Four - Ep 43: TikTok’s Toxic Dating Rules, Do Women Graft More Than Men, and Embarrassing Sex Confessions
Episode Date: November 24, 2023This week, Lauren and Christie are joined by TikTok creator, Ellie, to give her thoughts on some of the wild dating rules that are spread around online. They discuss the 333 rule, the 3 month rule and... the 48 hour rule. As well as debating if men actually DO ever put in a good graft.
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                                         hi guys welcome back to t at four i'm christy and i'm lauren and this is a podcast where we
                                         
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                                         and today we have ellie as our very own dating expert so it's gonna be a very interesting of course dating conversation but you may ask why why do
                                         
                                         we need to be talking about dating well i've got some fucking beef with me no no no no i've got
                                         
                                         some beef with the people on tiktok at the moment that seem to be covering
                                         
                                         my for you page uh that just try to come across as relationship experts yeah yeah and dare i say
                                         
    
                                         i'm somebody that's not single right now but even someone in a relationship i'm seeing these little
                                         
                                         things and they're like infiltrating my little brain and i can't think how scary that could be
                                         
                                         to someone that's like completely
                                         
                                         new to the dating game and it's like you're being inundated with this information the 222 rule
                                         
                                         the 369 the 333 yeah the 252 um two for one two yeah i fucking wish yeah um so my we just want
                                         
                                         to kind of put to you some of these theories and see if it's actually science-backed
                                         
                                         or whether this is just like content creators
                                         
                                         that don't have any like scientific or therapy background,
                                         
    
                                         anything like that.
                                         
                                         And like if they're scaremongering us, the people.
                                         
                                         I kind of get that because even when you said like dating expert,
                                         
                                         I'm not like a dating expert.
                                         
                                         I just started posting about my dating life one day
                                         
                                         and then two, three years on,
                                         
                                         I've eventually got quite good at it,
                                         
                                         but I never post like I have,
                                         
    
                                         but then I'm like, why the hell am I doing this?
                                         
                                         Because I actually don't really know what I'm doing,
                                         
                                         but I just kind of learn my own experiences
                                         
                                         and then post about them
                                         
                                         and then people seem to relate to it.
                                         
                                         So I'm not ever telling people what to do.
                                         
                                         And I do think that is like an issue
                                         
                                         with like dating experts on tiktok because
                                         
    
                                         no one could ever be your dating expert when they don't know anything about you when they don't know
                                         
                                         anything about your upbringing like where you've lived what your parents relationship is like and
                                         
                                         what you're actually looking for there's no one size actually fits all but i do feel like
                                         
                                         some of these things can help you have like a healthier view on what a relationship is i feel
                                         
                                         like i've learned some things about healthy relationships through tiktok it's true i think
                                         
                                         it's been quite good for example i'm like a people pleaser yeah and this information has been quite
                                         
                                         good for maybe helping me set boundaries yeah but i i like that kind of information but it's like the hardcore gospel
                                         
                                         rules you need to follow when you're dating or in a relationship that is like oh my god i feel i feel
                                         
    
                                         so like restricted yeah restricted and it's just like as you say a one-size-fits-all kind of thing
                                         
                                         what works for you might not work for me but now i think oh god if i've not gone the right way am
                                         
                                         i not going to get a relationship out of this or is the date not going to go well or they're not going to respect me so it's that kind
                                         
                                         of thing it is 100 supposed to be fun day and i think tiktok is definitely taking the fun out of
                                         
                                         it yeah and also you're not really ever going to learn anything properly through watching a video
                                         
                                         like you learn through making mistakes and actually putting yourself out there that's what people like need to realize like you are going to get your heart broken
                                         
                                         sometimes you are going to feel like a little bit of an idiot but like it's all part of the
                                         
                                         learning process it's like the same as like learning maths like you don't watch the teacher
                                         
    
                                         do it on the board and think i know how to do that now like you just have to do it and cry like
                                         
                                         5 000 times before you're like okay like i actually think i get it now yeah and i think
                                         
                                         that's quite important true and i think that's the toxic part is that on tiktok sometimes it even
                                         
                                         doesn't let you like mentally get to the date yeah because it's like i saw one the other day
                                         
                                         and it was just like if your intuition is saying no then it means no like like just follow it what
                                         
                                         if i've got anxiety that's what you're anxiety
                                         
                                         my ibs is flaring and i just generally feel on edge that day maybe it's nerves and nerves are
                                         
                                         okay yeah you're allowed to have nerves like now it's like you have nerves oh god it's a red flag
                                         
    
                                         or like your instincts are telling you like forget it yeah you're putting yourself off it
                                         
                                         when you get to the date before you can get there you're judging a book by its cover basically
                                         
                                         yeah whatever you're seeing have you found like being a content creator that makes content around dating i think obviously
                                         
                                         these people make these videos that are like these like radical rules that people should follow
                                         
                                         and then it gets pushed up the algorithm they see this kind of content doing well
                                         
                                         and then they make more kind of videos in that manner have you found that like
                                         
                                         in order for you to be successful on the platform you have to keep making that kind of videos in that manner have you found that like in order for you to be successful
                                         
                                         on the platform you have to keep making that kind of content around like red flags you should look
                                         
    
                                         out for or like warning signs and men or bad experiences you've had rather than the goods
                                         
                                         to be honest in the past couple of years i haven't really dated that much because
                                         
                                         from like the age of 16 to about 22 i think i was putting a lot of energy just into men
                                         
                                         sure so i'm just like you know what i'm good for a bit let me just touch some grass let me just figure out what's going
                                         
                                         on with me sure um and i think that's where my focus is at the moment um but i think when you
                                         
                                         do come across red flags you do just kind of want to share it with people don't you like that's like
                                         
                                         where i'm at i don't think i have i'm not gonna lie i have started making content like looking up
                                         
                                         different red flags and then maybe posting about it and that probably isn't the healthiest thing
                                         
    
                                         but i always give my own experience of what the red flag is and if i think a red flag is like
                                         
                                         actually a load of rubbish i'll be like yeah like i actually don't agree with that um because i did
                                         
                                         a video once where it was just a girl giving all of her opinions'd be like yeah like i actually don't agree with that um because i did a video
                                         
                                         once where it was just a girl giving all of her opinions on what like her strict dating rules are
                                         
                                         and i was like don't really agree with that this is what my opinion is on it like i try to give
                                         
                                         a real like the most realist version of dating that i can and like what i'm actually learning
                                         
                                         from it yeah yeah we were um we were talking as well about how all these terms even
                                         
                                         like red flag the ick gaslighting ghosting love bombing wouldn't have come about if it wasn't for
                                         
    
                                         social media i mean i know they were terms but they've been like propelled by like like this is
                                         
                                         a key word when i'm talking about dating i'm talking about icks that i've had on the date
                                         
                                         rather than more what the fucking man does for a job.
                                         
                                         And that's silly.
                                         
                                         I think our generation is so obsessed
                                         
                                         with putting ourselves into a bit of a box,
                                         
                                         to be honest,
                                         
                                         rather than actually engaging into our own experiences.
                                         
    
                                         Yeah, the focus on ticking boxes, I think,
                                         
                                         rather than actually understanding who the person is.
                                         
                                         So let's go through some of these rules
                                         
                                         that I found on the on the old tiktok
                                         
                                         dating hashtag um so we've got firstly the 333 relationship rule um this has like a number of
                                         
                                         different points where you're supposed to be to see if you're really a match for someone
                                         
                                         so at three days you're seeing you're assessing are you actually attracted to each other within three weeks of dating and talking you should know if there's chemistry or you see a
                                         
                                         future with each other but then after three months they say it shouldn't take longer than
                                         
    
                                         three months to see if you want to get into a relationship or not yeah does that seem right
                                         
                                         yeah i'd probably agree with that to be honest yeah yeah i think i don't even need three days
                                         
                                         to know if you're interested three minutes literally like if i wore i've walked into
                                         
                                         blind dates before within yeah three minutes i'm like yeah like okay yeah for sure i mean i am
                                         
                                         accepting like okay maybe this person will grow on me but yeah so far none of them actually have
                                         
                                         um so yeah i think three days
                                         
                                         max you're gonna know if you actually like someone and i think you might even be forcing yourself to
                                         
                                         try to like someone at that point yeah at this rate as well i feel like most like
                                         
    
                                         flings people have are like three months like it's not less than like people just move so fast
                                         
                                         yeah they're not feeling it someone
                                         
                                         could ghost you in two weeks in two weeks yeah if they're being graceful i mean the first week
                                         
                                         if you if you like the conversation's flowing the first week cool but then after that two weeks
                                         
                                         three weeks if i'm letting the conversation marinate a bit do you mean like over text yeah
                                         
                                         yeah if i'm letting the text marinate for a bit way too long and we found definitely
                                         
                                         i just don't get some of those people
                                         
                                         that I see in the comments that like,
                                         
    
                                         yep, 10 months in, still waiting for a,
                                         
                                         still waiting to see what this is.
                                         
                                         It's like, move on.
                                         
                                         I'm so sorry, there's that saying where
                                         
                                         by nine months you should know what you want
                                         
                                         or like the guy should know what you want
                                         
                                         or by six months you should ask you to be the girlfriend.
                                         
                                         Yeah, for sure.
                                         
    
                                         So I kind of agree with the 369 rule yeah i that's that's a bit of me like the first month what's the 369 so
                                         
                                         the first one to three months is like the honeymoon phase like we'll be like each other oh my god it's
                                         
                                         going good three to six is like the imperfect phase where it's like small little like not red
                                         
                                         flags but small little things can't start
                                         
                                         to annoy you but you know you were not perfect people anyway and then six to nine is the
                                         
                                         negotiation side where it's like okay cool i kind of like you like me where we go i think you're
                                         
                                         pissing me off can i approach you with it or not there you go so that's why it's like okay well
                                         
                                         we're about to confirm you you're my girl that's that's my boyfriend that's my man my man my man
                                         
    
                                         my man my girl my girl my girl and then nine to one year is like we'll talk about the future commitment phase where's this going we're going
                                         
                                         we're going in how many kids do you want are you giving me twins i need to be married at this time
                                         
                                         this is that's when we'll talk i agree with that three six nine rule but so far the guys that i've
                                         
                                         been bumping into are either very foolish and they go by that yeah that's the thing this is the page the girls are
                                         
                                         on that's the thing so what are the men on they're doing like fucking two minutes two weeks and then
                                         
                                         fucking true i'm so true what what does the page like man what is that um good question there is
                                         
                                         one minute like a there's a men loneliness pandemic isn't there a men loneliness yeah because
                                         
                                         apparently women's standards are like getting higher yeah because we're more educated and like
                                         
    
                                         well they need to start learning whereas the men just don't so apparently like 180
                                         
                                         there's been like 180 percent increase in men like not having sex and stuff like that
                                         
                                         i know literally now there was a tiktok about it and it
                                         
                                         was like i i really don't care if there's a men like loneliness pandemic because at the end of
                                         
                                         the day you cause it yourself it's something called like patriarchy i hear it what i hear it
                                         
                                         why do i care though like are they doing a study like that on women i just can't see that happening yeah i know
                                         
                                         i know but interestingly on the intimacy there's another rule on tiktok which is called the three
                                         
                                         month rule and okay and this is how it goes if you're starting to fall for him stay away from
                                         
    
                                         doing anything intimate for three months don't tell him or your friends why you're doing it i love communication yeah uh he will
                                         
                                         start to take you more seriously if you give him less he'll want he'll keep wanting more he'll have
                                         
                                         to work for it men love the chase what men love the chase no i think men some men do love the
                                         
                                         chase but then they get it and then they get it and then they're like okay yeah i honestly haven't seen a man graft um ever in my
                                         
                                         life like i'm like gas from geordie shaw talking about it on fucking season one i've never seen it
                                         
                                         with my own eyes never have you not no no my men can grow up when when men actually want to
                                         
                                         what you said your my men can grow no like men can grow but would they do it without complaining
                                         
                                         about the blue balls and like oh yeah what are you gonna do for me like somewhere else my brother
                                         
    
                                         and his girlfriend so when my brother met his now fiance for the first time he instantly knew that
                                         
                                         that was a woman he wanted to marry she wasn't interested so he literally just kept on being a friend until eventually that's nice they're
                                         
                                         together and they are happy that's good but i don't understand why you'd have to withhold that
                                         
                                         information from him or your friends i mean if what do you mean withhold and she's saying like
                                         
                                         just just stop being intimate for three months don't tell anyone why you're being that or you
                                         
                                         can be a fucking big girl
                                         
                                         and if he's definitely down for that and he wants to do that with you he will wait
                                         
                                         yeah do you get i feel like it's yeah that whole withdrawing thing and then when he goes and fucks
                                         
    
                                         up with somebody else don't be upset because you didn't open your bleeding mouth yeah that's
                                         
                                         speaking sis yeah oh so she's saying don't tell him why you're not yeah this is the thing i think
                                         
                                         all these things are like have a good intention at heart
                                         
                                         but it's like the details like that make quite gamesy and if you're in an experience like data
                                         
                                         or someone just getting into like relationships and things you could read that take it as gospel
                                         
                                         and then like completely mess up your chances with someone because you've not gone the right
                                         
                                         way about like if you don't want to be intimate that's your right it might depend on like the culture where you've grown up true so that experience could actually be normal in another
                                         
                                         country but for us it's not like it's normal for things to happen a lot quicker yeah physically
                                         
    
                                         and for us to open up about feelings and stuff like that whereas i don't know i don't i haven't
                                         
                                         traveled everywhere in the world but like it could actually just be
                                         
                                         gospel for them to do that straight away anyway very true yeah i do get it but i think there's
                                         
                                         nothing wrong with you know saying how you feel no that's true and it works both ways as well
                                         
                                         like for instance that 48 48 hour rule oh my god yeah that one like it's the same way the
                                         
                                         girl said something yes if a guy is asking me out on a
                                         
                                         date you ask me yeah chrissy on wednesday we're going out i said oh hey cool today is tuesday
                                         
                                         do you know i mean i've got time to like prepare if i don't hear from you yeah within the working
                                         
    
                                         hours of five to nine if you don't message me before noon i'm not going on that date yeah yeah
                                         
                                         i'm not going i don't care if you told me remind me reassure me are you still even like on the day
                                         
                                         on the day like let me know like yeah you know i mean don't come and assume that i'm gonna sit there be like okay
                                         
                                         oh my god you know to pick me up that trend of girls where they'll do like a montage of them
                                         
                                         getting ready being like my date hasn't texted me the whole day here's to see if he actually replies
                                         
                                         and we go on the date and she's got a fucking dyson air wrap out she's using a nice reflecting
                                         
                                         fucking foundation yeah it's like put
                                         
                                         your expensive makeup away yeah sit down yeah and stop yeah like see look what you're doing here
                                         
    
                                         yeah take yourself on a date fine yeah but like if a man hasn't given you the grace of like sending
                                         
                                         a fucking three-word text like see you later or like books like this your cab's coming this time
                                         
                                         we're meeting up at this time if you i'm not gonna sit there and assume oh maybe i should wait until you know five minutes till the date oh my god yeah and then
                                         
                                         then i'm late no yeah yeah i'm not doing that no don't fuck me up but 48 hours before that's where
                                         
                                         i was like that's yeah weird yeah she was saying that he has some message her at least 48 hours
                                         
                                         before the date even as planned otherwise she's not actually going on the date and i was
                                         
                                         like that like i don't do that with anyone like if i arranged to go i don't know shopping with a
                                         
                                         friend or something or like we're going out for that i'm not messaging my friend 48 hours before
                                         
    
                                         like yeah were you all good for that thing that's happening on thursday after day yeah in westfield
                                         
                                         yeah i'd be like yes i'd be like calm the fuck down yeah true but on the day fine like i agree
                                         
                                         i had someone um who arranged to go out on my birthday he he asked me if i wanted to go out
                                         
                                         on my birthday i had no plans because i wasn't that bothered about my birthday so i was like
                                         
                                         sure whatever it comes to the day of my birthday he literally hasn't messaged me at all whatsoever not even happy birthday not even happy birthday
                                         
                                         yeah and then i actually just messaged because he was supposed to be my friend as well so i was like
                                         
                                         you still okay if it's a day and he was like oh no sorry i'm okay what you messaged him yeah because
                                         
                                         i'm i'm still i thought
                                         
    
                                         we were friends like at least at the end of the day and he was like oh sorry i'm actually in
                                         
                                         nottingham now because i had to come up a few days ago oh my god because i can't the plan was
                                         
                                         like it's my fault like i know i had no plans yeah like don't make a plan with me yeah exactly
                                         
                                         exactly so this person that i was seeing god yes we um met during summer going well perfectly
                                         
                                         six months down the line still amazing still you know chilling basically practically moved in let's
                                         
                                         just say that right and then it just got to a point where i knew what i wanted but it felt as
                                         
                                         if the person didn't know what they want they wanted from the situation so i think what i hate
                                         
                                         about dating the dating era is that guys don't really emotionally speak about how they're feeling
                                         
    
                                         they just go with the flow yeah and it got to a point where i was like you know i actually want
                                         
                                         to know what's going on here so i did ask him i was like oh where do you see this going like you
                                         
                                         know we've been chilling together we've done xyz like where's your head at and i got the response that said, I just think we're friends.
                                         
                                         What?
                                         
                                         I do feel as if I should have not let this go,
                                         
                                         let my imagination.
                                         
                                         Not a Delulu.
                                         
                                         Delulu.
                                         
    
                                         I should not let my imagination take over and not let you know what was going on with me.
                                         
                                         Like, I don't see this going anywhere.
                                         
                                         Besides the person that took me to see Nas. You know is my husband right that's my other husband that's my other
                                         
                                         husband so the fact that i am now and this year i didn't post no photoshop with oh my fucking so i
                                         
                                         was really right i was really in i was like i was like this person's i want to marry this person x y
                                         
                                         z so the fact that he then came then basically i had to ask him to see where his head was at.
                                         
                                         The fact that he was acting as if, you know, I wouldn't say love bombing, but you're acting as if you're in a relationship.
                                         
                                         You're not actually expressing how you feel and like telling the other person that you're in, involved with like what's going on.
                                         
    
                                         That's just manipulation.
                                         
                                         Is it manipulation?
                                         
                                         I reckon that's, I would say that's manipulation.
                                         
                                         Do you think that's manipulation? you think it's manipulated i've been manipulated me i would say yeah like he's made you feel like you were on the way towards a relationship and then be like psych no like
                                         
                                         not the psych no but i just feel like it's especially with dating like females are very
                                         
                                         much like outspoken they know what they want why
                                         
                                         doesn't the guy why do why do guys not know what they want because if they know they're getting
                                         
                                         what they want in the moment then they're not going to tell you they're very selfish human
                                         
    
                                         beings my brother says men are selfish we are we think about ourselves good guys yeah i think it's
                                         
                                         just like women are much more nurturing and caring it's like
                                         
                                         actually embedded into us so a man i think when he wants to take advantage in a way that's not
                                         
                                         too extreme i think he will do that i just don't think they're on tiktok enough so they can like
                                         
                                         formulate how they're feeling based on other people's opinions i i believe that because if
                                         
                                         it's not what else are they watching yeah i don't
                                         
                                         know no guy that sit down and listens to like dating advisors and then again that's so true
                                         
                                         and think about it like my little brother him and his friendship group if it's not all the party
                                         
    
                                         will go into the football that's on yeah oh i like oh i'm seeing this girl oh yeah let me see how she
                                         
                                         looks like oh yeah she's a chonking whatever that's about it you know i mean it's nothing
                                         
                                         more nothing less there's never like oh yeah guys what do you think about this like she
                                         
                                         said this like there's no like boys don't talk about that shit but why yeah they need to like
                                         
                                         have a male version of like those dilemma agony aren't podcasts for men men go to women though
                                         
                                         for those situations not all no not all i think it would be good to like have a man and a man having
                                         
                                         a conversation though rather than two women because again we're as you said nurturing point
                                         
                                         of view and then a man is more selfish i think that's so true like it's really great having
                                         
    
                                         these things online like tiktok to just expand like your worldly view because his could literally
                                         
                                         only be me this is my needs is my wants yeah but just by having a little scroll so like you can see oh there's someone else's feelings i need to take care of
                                         
                                         like this my behavior could look like love bombing yeah i think maybe yeah making this
                                         
                                         content more accessible to men is actually how we need to turn it around maybe yeah i'll give it a go yeah business plan 2024 yeah i do like like what's the word i do make sure i make
                                         
                                         i help i hold my male friends accountable when they when they're going through relationships
                                         
                                         and stuff or like they're dating just to hear like where their viewpoint is in certain kind
                                         
                                         of aspects but it's then again they're in one ear out the other right it's like yeah how do you
                                         
                                         really let it land yeah
                                         
    
                                         but just create a nice visual podcast like the girls bathroom or like but with receipts uh oh
                                         
                                         yeah i hate that part um but yeah no you're right um i feel like yeah that's the truth when they
                                         
                                         talk about women it's not from a very like andrew tate women are trash women even like
                                         
                                         it's more it's like i don't know i came in someone's mouth and i
                                         
                                         fucking like it's just it's from a very perspective like yeah man i did this
                                         
                                         alpha very alpha yeah but oh very alpha i think that's the problem we don't we need we need soft
                                         
                                         men let's yeah soft man do you want a soft man though yeah i'd like a soft man
                                         
                                         soft man do you want a soft man though yeah i'd like a soft man
                                         
    
                                         let's play don't moldy stretchy armstrong no i need i need you to have a bit of a
                                         
                                         bit of a middleman a bit of a chest yeah a bit of a chest can be a bit soft but yeah some of the oh sorry oh no you go there you go you go mine's gonna be a complete
                                         
                                         i can't even remember what i was gonna say no i was gonna say yeah if that was a man
                                         
                                         yeah no i was gonna say like some of the other rules i was coming up with on
                                         
                                         on tiktok like very idealistic is these women that look like they've kind of got it all together
                                         
                                         and i remember
                                         
                                         one of the points she was saying was like oh one of our rules in my relationship is when we go out
                                         
                                         and we've been drinking if we have a disagreement or an argument we say we're gonna walk away from
                                         
    
                                         each other and we'll deal with this tomorrow i hear it yeah have you ever tried to tell a drunk
                                         
                                         person let's leave it tomorrow fucking wrath that would come at me i'm actually if you can't walk away
                                         
                                         from each other as well what if you're at a bottomless brunch and you're in the middle and
                                         
                                         there's six people are you really gonna turn around and go nope not doing this now it will
                                         
                                         take it will take something knowing me that you provoke me i'm gonna give it to you give it to
                                         
                                         you like it will take me most as deep you think i've got that calm of a mood like but i think
                                         
                                         i'll be so angry
                                         
                                         that the following day i won't remember why i was angry so then i need to get out there and then
                                         
    
                                         yeah i'm that person that i need to like no i can't just yeah they're boiling like i'm
                                         
                                         want to get out now yeah and that's true and i i'm in a relationship now and i see that content
                                         
                                         i think oh fuck like does that make me a bad person i can't imagine myself like dealing with
                                         
                                         a disagreement that way and it's like no everyone is so different i think actually i've more now when i'm not drunk
                                         
                                         like even i had a disagreement with my mom yesterday and like she proper pissed me off
                                         
                                         but i was like if i have this conversation with my mom now i know i'm gonna say something that
                                         
                                         i'm actually gonna regret so i was like i'm just gonna sleep on it nice and then i'm gonna approach the situation in the morning and
                                         
                                         then that's what i did and i felt like it was resolved a lot better that way that's when alcohol
                                         
    
                                         isn't involved but let me tell you once when i said that to my ex um he stood there and he ripped
                                         
                                         his shirt open not the hulk and he was dressed in hallow Halloween costume as well so it was just fucking sight
                                         
                                         do you know what
                                         
                                         kind of like
                                         
                                         makes me laugh
                                         
                                         it's like you know
                                         
                                         when you're angry right
                                         
                                         and it's like
                                         
    
                                         you know what
                                         
                                         I'm coming for you
                                         
                                         and you're walking
                                         
                                         towards the person
                                         
                                         and you're taking off
                                         
                                         your earrings
                                         
                                         yeah
                                         
                                         no
                                         
    
                                         that's not
                                         
                                         it's not just tenders
                                         
                                         take off the earrings
                                         
                                         wrap the hair
                                         
                                         I ain't got the hair
                                         
                                         no more
                                         
                                         but wrap the hair
                                         
                                         take off the wig
                                         
    
                                         yeah
                                         
                                         you're gonna hear
                                         
                                         from me today
                                         
                                         and the next day is like thinking like that is absolutely
                                         
                                         hilarious just like paying back do you remember when you did that i was like did i really do that
                                         
                                         yeah i must have been drunk have you ever done that yeah man too much honey oh la la
                                         
                                         too much honey in the system i just started fucking crying on the spot can't do a confrontation
                                         
                                         if i if i don't like i know i can't i think i both. I cry and like get proper angry at the same time. Like I'm going,
                                         
    
                                         I've got tears going down my eyes.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         That's actually hilarious.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         I think it's a,
                                         
                                         it's a very grown thing to do.
                                         
                                         Walk away.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
    
                                         From,
                                         
                                         you know,
                                         
                                         cause I,
                                         
                                         but then again,
                                         
                                         they do say when you're drunk,
                                         
                                         that's when you see the truth in it.
                                         
                                         So yeah.
                                         
                                         I'll tell the truth.
                                         
    
                                         But it's like,
                                         
                                         I don't want to say it in a way that tell the truth but it's like i don't want to
                                         
                                         say it in a way that i'm genuinely attacking them like i just want to be honest and not be like you
                                         
                                         fucking bitch you're a dick like you know what i mean like i'm gonna be like this is what you did
                                         
                                         yeah yeah but that's the thing like this woman on this video is probably like 30 in her 30s
                                         
                                         if i was to have watched that when i was like 16 with my first boyfriend yeah like i wouldn't want
                                         
                                         to feel inadequate for like not knowing how to express my feelings at that point in my life with the tools
                                         
                                         that i had in that way yeah so that's just my my overall thoughts is like all this content is out
                                         
    
                                         there sometimes it can be a help sometimes it'd be a hindrance but take it with a pinch of salt
                                         
                                         yeah take it with a pinch of salt because you're gonna get it wrong at first anyway like you're
                                         
                                         saying like these 16 year olds aren't gonna know how to communicate straight away
                                         
                                         but at least they have the knowledge that you do have to communicate whereas i actually when i was
                                         
                                         15 i never got told you had to communicate and have these conversations with like your partner
                                         
                                         and stuff like that so having the knowledge good but being pressured into always getting it right
                                         
                                         i think that's like yeah like there shouldn't be no rules 100 there shouldn't be no rules at all like your experience is your
                                         
                                         experience fair enough you can compare you can compare but to a certain extent don't compare to
                                         
    
                                         the point where it's like i've got to be at the other person like let's say for instance our
                                         
                                         friendship groups we all deal with things differently i know i must maybe i'm the i'm
                                         
                                         the shouter my other friend might be the crier the other might be the be the one that laughs, they laugh together and then they, you know,
                                         
                                         go at each other.
                                         
                                         So it's like, yeah, don't, there shouldn't be no rules,
                                         
                                         but also don't compare, give yourself grace.
                                         
                                         It's the same with like money.
                                         
                                         Everyone uses their money differently.
                                         
    
                                         Like people say, people want different things out of money.
                                         
                                         How you manage your money works for you.
                                         
                                         It's the same exact thing.
                                         
                                         And like your ultimate goal with money
                                         
                                         is different from someone else's ultimate goal with money is different from someone
                                         
                                         else's ultimate goal with money yeah and you just have to figure out what the goal is so then you
                                         
                                         can actually get what you want so true right get rich and die trying yeah and you could be following
                                         
                                         all these timelines as a girl but a man is over there on his own fucking watch what's he doing
                                         
    
                                         i really want to go through like a boys for you page now and just like analyze it I don't think there's anything interesting in there there must not be nothing dating wise anyway no
                                         
                                         so this is the part of the podcast where we react to some of the internet's brutal stories
                                         
                                         I can't wait to share it with y'all you both look to me very like all right first one my grandmother bless her soul was the sweetest most innocent woman you'd ever
                                         
                                         met she would stay with us sometimes and help out around the house one year for christmas she
                                         
                                         bought me back a pack of hankies she bought me a pack of hankies hankies yeah what hankies like
                                         
                                         tissues oh okay panties but hankies no hankies obviously confused
                                         
                                         i wanted an explanation she said to me that i need to use hankies to blow my nose into
                                         
                                         instead of all my clothes because she did the washing and saw all the crusty stains on them
                                         
    
                                         i am sorry grandma i am really really sorry reply she knew you needed a wanker chief
                                         
                                         I am really, really sorry.
                                         
                                         Reply, she knew you needed a wanker chief.
                                         
                                         Wait, how did she, why did she assume semen and not snot?
                                         
                                         Grandma isn't so innocent after all.
                                         
                                         Clearly not.
                                         
                                         I mean, to be fair, you don't have snot in all your clothes, are you?
                                         
                                         No.
                                         
    
                                         If you're me, I've fucking got runny runitis.
                                         
                                         I've got sinus rhinitis, actually.
                                         
                                         So yeah, there is.
                                         
                                         It's not in all my clothes.
                                         
                                         What?
                                         
                                         Oh my life.
                                         
                                         I mean, granny's clued up.
                                         
                                         A wankerchief.
                                         
    
                                         That's genius. She knew you needed a wankerchief.
                                         
                                         That is a Christmas cracker joke.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Well done, granny.
                                         
                                         Big up her.
                                         
                                         I thought you were going to say wink.
                                         
                                         A Christmas cracker gift.
                                         
                                         Oh god.
                                         
    
                                         A wankerchief. Imagine. Yeah. Love that. Cool. a christmas cracker gift oh god imagine yeah love that cool right should we do next we we
                                         
                                         do you want to do the next one yeah should i oh my fucking god no let me read this one
                                         
                                         okay go on one time i heated up a five layer bean burrito from Taco Bell for about 150 seconds before trying to use it as a fleshlight.
                                         
                                         Oh my God.
                                         
                                         Okay.
                                         
                                         I went.
                                         
                                         Wait, what's a fleshlight?
                                         
                                         Oh, Christy.
                                         
    
                                         Let me carry on.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         This will give some clues.
                                         
                                         Some context clues.
                                         
                                         I went balls deep and caused first degree burn on my crotch.
                                         
                                         Yes, I was a teen when I did this.
                                         
                                         Yes, I worked at Taco Bell.
                                         
                                         No, I wouldn't recommend.
                                         
    
                                         No, that's not how we made sour cream.
                                         
                                         Oh!
                                         
                                         So a fleshlight is like what boys...
                                         
                                         It's like a fake vagina.
                                         
                                         That people...
                                         
                                         I could deal with it, but a men's version.
                                         
                                         So you had that at work?
                                         
                                         I think he did it in the comfort of his own home.
                                         
    
                                         Hopefully not around the fucking What?
                                         
                                         He used a burrito
                                         
                                         So he put his dick in a burrito
                                         
                                         And pretended that was
                                         
                                         That's a waste of a burrito
                                         
                                         Did he eat afterwards?
                                         
                                         Hopefully not
                                         
                                         Intriguing
                                         
    
                                         What's the female equivalent?
                                         
                                         That would be a dildo Banana? What? fuck it up very scary what's the female equivalent banana what no oh a cucumber a cucumber like it doesn't feel well shut up
                                         
                                         like one of those things you just go
                                         
                                         wow like one of those things you just go what do you know them
                                         
                                         oh what is going on you don't know that no that's a female credit look at that
                                         
                                         wow yeah god knows what it's called dad all right jokes okay next one christy during a summer in between my freshman
                                         
                                         and i don't know sophomore yeah sophomore i can i can read during the summer between my freshman
                                         
                                         and sophomore year of college my girlfriend called me telling me she had a big surprise for me
                                         
    
                                         if i came to visit her that weekend she lived lived three hours away. We met at school, but I decided to visit her.
                                         
                                         Walked into her house with a bouquet of flowers
                                         
                                         and was immediately broken up with.
                                         
                                         Oh.
                                         
                                         I started crying.
                                         
                                         Oh, that's actually mad.
                                         
                                         Poor man.
                                         
                                         I started crying and then her entire family
                                         
    
                                         comes walking into the house.
                                         
                                         So here I am standing with flowers in hand,
                                         
                                         tears pouring down my cheeks.
                                         
                                         And then my ex says
                                         
                                         well i have to get going to top it off the entire drive back it was pouring rain to top it off that
                                         
                                         for the entire drive back it was pouring rain i was crying non-stop damn and then i got lost and
                                         
                                         it ended up taking me five hours to get home oh god looking back i can laugh at it now because
                                         
                                         it seriously felt like a scene straight out of a movie that was horrible so you made the poor guy travel three hours just to break
                                         
    
                                         up with him for a surprise and then yeah that's the surprise i thought she was gonna be like
                                         
                                         lingerie or something like that i thought i thought it was gonna be a surprise having a baby
                                         
                                         maybe yeah that's mad that's out of order that's very brutal because yeah because yeah what the
                                         
                                         shame on her see there are some women bitches in the world there are
                                         
                                         what did he do to deserve that jesus cry me a river
                                         
                                         yeah uh okay should we play the next one yeah yeah okay my ex got into art and started attending
                                         
                                         an evening class so one christmas i spent a fortune on all the gear for her oil paints
                                         
                                         water paints brushes brushes canvas easel etc and that shit is not cheap came christmas day
                                         
    
                                         she opened her presents broke broke into tears and ran out the house smashing the car into the
                                         
                                         garden wall as she left and disappeared for three days
                                         
                                         before finally calling me
                                         
                                         after a completely ruined Christmas
                                         
                                         of my family and her family
                                         
                                         worried sick about what had happened to her.
                                         
                                         Turns out she hadn't been going to art classes.
                                         
                                         She'd been fucking some other guy
                                         
    
                                         and that was it for me, really.
                                         
                                         Never saw her again
                                         
                                         despite her wasted attempts to say sorry.
                                         
                                         Oh my God. You know what you do? You you take that art stuff you go to art classes yourself and you come a millionaire yeah oh my god revenge and success
                                         
                                         yeah that's dark well what do we take from that i have no words don't you have a hobby
                                         
                                         yes perfect thank you passions
                                         
                                         are out yes man jesus fucked all right people are scary man yeah
                                         
                                         so note to self date as you please and don't take tiktok dating so literal yeah yes absolutely yeah and thank you
                                         
    
                                         for giving us some insight ellie it was very valuable i'm gonna try to help where i can
                                         
                                         i'm gonna take those notes and try to apply it to my next bumble or hinge date all right let us know
                                         
                                         how you go yeah please and if it goes well give me some tips i don't really know what i'm doing
                                         
                                         on hinge either nobody knows what they're doing. No, we're trying to know.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
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