Tea at Four - I'm a 73 year old escort after being celibate for 40 years...

Episode Date: January 23, 2026

From 40 years of religious celibacy to becoming the UK’s most famous 73-year-old escort. Caroline Vee is pulling back the curtain on the things that usually stay in the group chat.In this episode of Tea At Four, Billy and Lauren sit down with the iconic "Busty Granny," Caroline Vee. After a lifetime in the church and struggling with her mental health, Caroline had a sexual awakening at 57 that changed everything. Now, at 73, she’s sharing the unfiltered truth about the escorting industry, her youngest clients, and the bizarre requests that even shocked us.We’re talking everything from "poo sandwiches" and "dead mother’s nighties" to why sex actually saved her life. This is a masterclass in confidence, pleasure, and living life on your own terms, no matter your age! Send us your dilemmas, tea or quite frankly anything you find funny to [e-mail].💖 Watch on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@Teaatfourpod💖 Follow on TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@four.nine💖 Follow on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/fournine/?hl=en Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Move over Bonnie Blue. Granny Blue is taking over. Strong. That's so iconic. Hey guys, welcome back to T at 4. I'm Billy. I'm Lauren, and this is a podcast where we talk all things that normally stay in the group chat. And today we're joined by a rather iconic guest.

Everyone give a big woot for Caroline. Welcome to the T at 4, Caroline. Thank you. It's lovely to be here. Are we right in thinking this is your first podcast? Absolutely. What an honour. That is such an honour.

So for people that might not know, you, would you mind explaining to our listeners what your profession is? I'm an escort. Slay. That's ironic. An unlikely vision of an escort. You're 73 years old. And how did we get here?

Oh, now that is a very long story. How far would you like me to go back? At what age did you become an escort? Well, it was 2017 that I started and that had been a build-up over a few years. years because I had started swinging a few years prior to that. And then some of the guys I met said, you should do escorting. You'd be good at it and you get paid. And I thought, got to look into it, haven't I? What does being an escort for you entail? Okay. So for me, I mean, it does cover a whole variety. I call it escorting, but that's just part of what I do. The

escorting side, it could be, I've got a man that would like me to go on holiday with him. Okay, you know, he's on his own, would like me to accompany him on holiday for little city breaks. I've got another friend and she, most of her escorting is accompanying guys to gardens, National Trust properties, going to the cinema, going out for a meal. Yeah. And finishing up, obviously, you know, in the bedroom. So it's not purely sex. It's not right.

It's just get in the bedroom, bang away, bye, bye. Yeah. It's so much more. That's amazing. And am I right in thinking you were celibate for quite a long time before this? 40 years. Wow. 40 years from 17 to 57.

And the reason behind that was... I became a born-again Christian. Okay. And the church I was attending, it was no sex outside of marriage. Right. So did you leave the church in order to pursue this? No. I left the church because I was completely disillusioned

because having been there for 40 years and I'd had mental health issues throughout my life and suicidal a few times, you know, and the only way they thought they could help was offering to pray for me. Yeah. That's not going to work, is it? Well, no, I mean, I must have had thousands and thousands

of prayers over the years and not one of them was ever answered. Yeah. So my conclusion was, if there is a god, I can kind of understand why he's not answering mine, but he don't seem to be answering anybody else's either. Right. So actually, is there a god? Yeah.

And if there is, he doesn't give a stuff about me. Christ, this is like an awakening of sorts. Absolutely. Yeah. So between having these thoughts and kind of detaching yourself from the religious side of yourself, how did you end up going into this? Well, I had started the swinging whilst I was still going to church.

Right. Which obviously nobody knew about. Can't imagine the frowns I would have. Because their other suggestion was, think of Job. What's that? Now, sure, if you're not aware of Job, was a character in the Bible

6,000 years ago. and I said well if the only person you can think of is Joe is a man that might have lived 6,000 years ago then basically F off you know so I left good for you

yeah yeah happy for you yeah and I don't mean to be presumptuous and say it's only this but is it a presumption to say that sex saved you like going into the swinging or this kind of industry took you out of that lower mental space No. No. No. I was still in it while I was doing this swinging. Right. I got sick and had to go to hospital. Ambulance guys came. And she saw the state of my house, which was pretty grim at the time. And she came back up. She said, we're a bit concerned. So would you mind if we did a referral to social services? And I was going, yeah. When I came out of hospital, this wonderful social worker came to see me who not only got the situation, but got me. She started to help me. the house.

Yeah. And then she contacted, there was a lady that worked with her that did this therapy called EMDR. Seven hours in total, completely dealt with all of my 40 years history. Well, longer than that. Wow.

That's incredible. That's crazy. So it transformed my life. You were almost a new woman. Yes. I have not been depressed since in any way, shape or form. Wow. And what point in your, like, if your career was, was you going through this therapy?

Was you done the swinging and then you started doing escorting? What kind of point was you, was you then taken on new, like, adventures within your career? That must have been after I started the escorting. I still can't, because we had COVID and that kind of screwed everything up, didn't it? You don't know when and everything is now. So I was still working. I was still doing, I was a florist. So I was still doing my florist.

I was working for waitrose and then I was doing the escorting as well so I had three jobs that I was juggling just to pay my mortgage. Yeah. That was it and that was the main reason why I started the escorting. Yeah. Because I wasn't earning enough to pay the mortgage. Wow. So if you've lived all those years of celibacy and, you know, that religious environment, where did the sexual feelings come from? Where did that kind of want to get into that kind of...

So how it originally started was because I had sex before when I was really young. Yeah. When I was 16, 17. But I didn't enjoy it. Okay, because the guys were not good, you know? Yeah. I didn't miss it. So when I became a Christian and we couldn't have sex,

it was like, well, I didn't enjoy it anyway. So it's not going to be any loss. So that's how I managed to go through the 40 years, not partly obviously because it wasn't allowed in the church, but also because I didn't have any interest. I didn't feel sexy. Yeah. I didn't start acknowledging that guys found me sexy

until I joined the first dating site. Right. Okay. What was that, like what kind of reactions were you getting on? I got there because a guy that I knew that I worked with but I'd never met. We just flirted on the phone. And because I was a florist, I flirted.

But with customers, you know, especially the rather yummy ones, of course, you know. How could you not? Well, you could, I suppose. But it wasn't because I felt sexy or was turned on or anything. It was just fun, you know? So, and then, so this guy would talk on the phone and he goes, so when are we going away for that dirty weekend then? All in friendly banter, you know.

And we had few of those. And then one day he messaged me. Oh, I messaged him because there had been a problem with the company. And I rang him up and said, what's going on then? You know, I wanted all to gossip. And he said, I can't tell you now. But if you're on Facebook tomorrow, I'll tell you. So we're on Facebook the following day.

And he told me all about it. And then he said that he had a fantasy for what was the term back then? Cougars. Oh. Cougars. Right. He loves cougars. I didn't have a clue.

So he was younger? He was 27. Oh. Is that the like kind of, is that your main clientele younger people? No. No. Get on to that in a bit. Because it's wide.

Yeah, no, so he said, what I thought was jokingly. Yeah. So why don't you come around to mine tonight? And I thought, you're 27. Oh, and he was a rugby player. Oh. So, yeah, a bit of all right. Bit of it.

But I thought. Oh my God. A 27-year-old rugby player wants to play with a 57 overweight granny. What the? Why not? So I just assumed it was friendly banter. So I didn't go. And then later that evening he rang me up and said,

So where are you then? Oh, you were serious. He said, well, yes, of course. Oh, because then he said where he lived, and it was quite away from where he worked. But then when he said he was serious, I thought, oh so he said so you're not coming then I went no wow because I hadn't done anything like that before

so it was like what yeah so I didn't go but it sparked a little interest in me I joined this site yeah and 18 year olds were messaging me wow how old are you at this point I was 57 57 and I would go no and of course they do the usual like 18 year old hello babe I'm 57, I'm not really a babe, darling. Yeah. And so I would go, no. And they go, why not, babe?

Age is just a number. You know, famous quote. And so I go, so I went, yeah, but a very important one. I said, being young enough to be my son is one thing. Being young enough to be my grandson, it's just wrong on so many. levels. Yeah. You know, the second guy I met was more my age, a few years younger, went, went for a drink,

then we went for a meal, then he asked me to go to a hotel. And that's where we did the oral, where he went down on me and I went down on him and sucked a penis for the first time in my life. First time in your life? The first time in my life. How was it? Um, well, he said it was brilliant. Trip advisor.

Compromise to the shelf. You know, because he said, where do you live? to do that and I said I didn't this is my first time and he said well oh my god you've got a gift woman and I thought well there you go then and that was the calling and that was it that was it so and then I saw another guy from the same site a few months later and he said I've been going to a club for the last few months why don't you come and join me and it was a swingers club what happens in like yeah what are these like I because I pitch the grinch yeah they're doing the keys in the bowl Yeah.

This is another thing where a lot of people have got preconceived ideas about what swinging is. Yeah. Because it was started and generally known as being couples, playing with other couples. Right. You know, doing foursomes, whatever. And then you get the other extreme where it's, where they all go mad. What's a term when? I was going to say a muckbang.

Do you mean a gang bang? No. No, not that. That comes later. But it's like an orgy. Orgy. Thank you. That's the word.

Thank you, I see. So you either have one of the. other is it's either just couples playing together or this is what people think or it's an orgy where it's a free-for-all and sex is going on in every corner of the building you know and yeah and i got there and um it was like oh my god what have i come to and uh they showed me around the building you know to the dungeon and yeah oh wow and the glory hole and and the dark room and i thought scared little mouse Not what's quite what I was expecting

So then a group of us There was six and we went off to a room to play And I wasn't sure quite how much I wanted to join in And so one woman who hadn't squirted all of her life Suddenly started about two weeks prior And now was squirting for England All over the place and I didn't even know what Squirting was

Yeah Until I saw it happen and all And she was loving it And she was 50s You know, whatever So I thought we'd go for it girl Yeah So I did

It did suck two of the cocks But you know And somebody gave me a massage Oh Yeah So that's a job Well done That was the scope on the first night

Right So when I left The guy my friend said to me So what did you think then So I said certainly different, isn't that? And he said, I think you should come back up, because it was a party night as well.

You know, so what a way to get to turn up is on a party night at a swingers thing, where it is all happening. And he said, you should come back on another night when it's quieter, you know. So I did, went back, and that time you could have people watching behind a screen, okay,

and then they'd knock on the door open and say, would you mind if we joined you? You know. Did you ever say no? Oh yeah. Oh yeah, there are some really... I do wonder that. Yeah.

It's not a free for all then. That's the one thing I would be a bit like, as if you don't actually fancy them. Yeah. Well, this is it. You have to. With that, with my escorting, I don't need to fancy them.

But with the swinging, you do because you build up a relationship and you want to get on and be able to have conversation. Yeah. So I would, whoever I went with, They would always leave me to decide whether or not I wanted to play with the person that was asking. And yeah, and sometimes if they were rather yummy and gorgeous, I would say, definitely. What's been your most memorable swingers experience? In the swinging?

Yeah. The most... Sorry, what's been your most memorable swinging experience? Oh, memorable, thank you, sorry. I forgot what you said. You only just said it. I forget what I say as well. outs out,

I'm setting in. You're fine. What was your name again? Honestly. Where are we? I suppose that the first one must be the most memorable. Sure. Because it was knowing absolutely nothing about swinging to then turning up at a party.

Yeah. I mean, I'll never forget it. Yeah. You know? What about? Favorite experience. After a little while, I got to meet some bye guys.

And again, I knew nothing about bye, you know. Yeah. So that was interesting. And so got friends with two or three of them, all really lovely guys. Yeah. And we would meet once a month. Once a month we would meet a local pub to me and then we'd go back to mine and all play. And the other month, we would go to this swingers club and play there.

and meet other people who wanted to join in. And again, you get the nerd. The guys are the, some of them are, you know, wankers, basically. I remember going with this guy and they've got a cinema and you'd be on the back bench at the back, okay, and it was all dark and you'd hear the door open. You couldn't see it. You could just hear the door open.

And then you'd hear this, ding, ding, ding, ding. And then a little while later than that door, open again and the ding ding ding would get louder and the more people came in the louder the ding ding ding got again the reason for the ding ding ding ding ding was because they wore their key on their wanking hand so as they were doing this it was ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding yeah right

and is this like a normal cinema world or an idiot or is this within the club no no no I was thinking exactly the same thing I was like What are you watching? Is that a public cinema and also people not getting annoyed by the noise? I was like rude. Of you? We're talking about swimming clubs, darling. Not your local cinema.

The lingo, we're not that. Yeah. Is it a club? I mean, this is such a boring question. The club must be cute. Is it a purposely built club for swinging? Oh yeah. The first one was in a, it was in a bungalow.

And they had added, you know, a big marquee at the back and put all this equipment and stuff. They had different rooms and playrooms. and a swimming pool and hot tubs and all the facilities and a bar, you know, so they had everything there and a sort of dance floor for the party nights and then the dungeon and the... Are they normally like someone's house that they've done up?

Well, this was, this was a bungalow, as I say, which they had expanded. Later turned out that they hadn't asked permission so they got closed down. Right. Because, and the reason was they said it was because the neighbours complained. Well, actually they didn't.

In fact, the next door neighbour used to offer them his garden, his big piece of land, for parking. Oh, yeah. On party nights, you know. So. Jeez. So at the beginning of this kind of experience for you, did you start developing your preference for the kind of people that you'd like to be sexually involved with?

Well, I'm not by, so we've ruled out women. Right. Well, I've ruled out women. There are some by guys who have a bi partner who would like me to play with them. and it's like, no. I have had my pussy licked three times by a woman. It didn't do anything for me. Right.

Okay, and I have no desire to lick one myself. So it's like, I've concluded I'm not by. It's very fair. Yeah, so I, but I have said, I don't mind them doing it on me, but just let them know I will not be reciprocating. Fair, respecting your wishes. I too will not be going near. a pussy.

Thank you for clarifying. So between the swinging and then obviously you said about needing to pay off your mortgage, going into the escort stuff, how did that come about? Well, with the guys from the swinging, you know, I just kept getting comments like, have you thought about doing escorting? You'd be good at it and you get paid. And so I thought, hmm, got to look into this because I seriously needed. money because my mortgage companies were trying to repossess me.

I couldn't afford it. So I really did. And then another friend of mine, she was also financially, you know, whatever. And she had one day said to me, we've got to do something. What can we do to earn money? She said, we're going to have to sell our bodies. Jokingly. Yeah.

Okay. And laughing. And then I watched a program of a late. doing phone chat, phone sex. Okay? Yeah. And it was hilarious because she was in her kitchen on one occasion, painting the kitchen wall whilst on the phone talking to a client.

And I just fell about laughing. And she had made so much money she had redone her house. And I thought, ooh, sort of contacting my friend and said, just in this program, you've got to watch it. How about phone sex? Yeah. So, and then a. one of the swinging guys did, I did meet and he did take some photos and he was going to set up

the account for me, but we kind of lost touch and it never happened. So we were back with the phone sex and I said, but how would we find out? Where do you look for these things? I mean, can you do that on Google? You know what I had no idea. On the swinger side, a photographer contacted me and said, oh, no, I still have a couple's profile on there. So this other guy that I started that I regularly used to see for the swinging. We set up a couple's profile so people would mess with me but we both had individual profiles as well

this photographer contacted sent us a message saying would the lady be interested in doing some solo filming work he said you're going to do it and I said well it's worth finding out isn't it you know I mean my curiosity for things you know does tend to get a bit So I met the guy and met for coffee And he told me that he shoots videos

For a company called Matured.NL And they wanted my pictures and things They wanted to ask him if he had any new models So he sent them my details And they said, yes, please. So we made a video And that was the very first thing I did Really?

Very first porno? Yeah. Solo porno. How much did that kind of adjourned from that? Not a lot. Not a lot. No, which is why I'm not interested in the professional side of it. I did one recently and that turned me off completely.

Oh, really? Because the couple, I think all the way out to Wigan. That would turn me off too. I mean, they were a professional company or so I thought, but they were the most disorganised people I'd ever met in my entire life. It was supposed to be a five-hour shoot. It went on for nine hours. Bloody hell.

With no breaks, no food, nothing. And I'm diabetic. Oh my gosh. Nine hours! Oh my God. That's exhausting. I assume for like, for making a porno there needs to be chemistry and you need to be getting on. If you're doing a nine hour shoot and it's uncomfortable and a little bit.

Well, we were doing four scenes. The first one was with a guy. Yeah. Having clearly said to them beforehand that I've got a very tight pussy so I cannot take big. ones. You know, I mean. How big was he? So they found two guys and said it would be one of these two.

So I thought, yep, no, they look doable. Okay. So I turn up and there is this Irish boy with a truncheon. I hate when that happens. I don't. And the first thing he says to me, gets it out and he says, all right, babe, what do you want to do with this? Oh, how about, hello. Hi.

That's his introduction. Oh, God. And then it turned out he couldn't actually do anything with it without watching porn on his phone for the entire time. Stop it. That's so rude. Is that common? I have no idea.

Oh, okay. I've certainly never experienced it before. No. So to say it was awkward, difficult. I mean, any other, some people would get quite offended, but I just thought, tosser. Yeah. You know, why do that?

So that did not go well. And so even the photographer, he had to adapt because it wouldn't go anywhere. And it wasn't hard. So how do you get a good shot with a floppy? With a floppy cock. Yeah. With a floppy, well, a floppy trunching. Yeah, that isn't going to even go in my porch, let alone light in.

Oh, my Christ. Can I ask how. That's the phrase I use for big ones. Yeah. In the escorting now. Yeah. When I see them, I go, oh, need to tell you, that's probably not going to go anywhere. Oh, my gosh.

So when you're filming a video, because you are older and, dare I say, a bit of a commodity, do you charge higher prices? Well, with that one, they tell you what they're going to pay. Right. So it's going to-bargain? Huh? You can't bargain? No. They reckon it's because, well, mature.

NL pay the photographer a set fee. Right. They then give part of them. that fee to the model. And you don't know how much they've been paid. So you do not know how much they're getting. That's crazy. So he paid me 500 pounds for five hours.

Well, no, I was meant to be due five hours for 500, but it was nine hours and I didn't get any extra. That doesn't seem worth it. That doesn't seem right. No. No. No. I mean, like thankfully there's sites now like only fans.

Do you use phone? Only fans? I'm registered. but I've never done anything on it. Right. No. Yeah. So, but then, so doing the escorting,

that gives you a little bit more control over how much money that you make. Yes. I mean, and that's the same when I do videos with other photographers, because I'm on a couple of photographer, model sites. And so that's where I find photographers that they contact me and say, love to do a shoot with you sometime, you know,

and then we arrange it. And, yeah, and they're generally pretty good. That's good. You know. Why don't you use OnlyFans? Because, well, having, it confirmed it when I watched Olivia's program with girls from OnlyFans because she tried to do it herself, which I thought was quite funny. And so she signed up and you would think she would have millions of followers, wouldn't you?

Because it's all about followers, Only fans. Yeah, of course. You need to build up, you know, thousands and thousands and thousands and hundreds of thousands of followers to be able to make any money. So she signed up and I think she was on it for a month and she made about 20 quid. Well, if somebody like that,

can't do it. So you literally got to do it. It's all about content. You've literally got to upload content 24 hours a day. Yeah. You know, seven days a week. That's all you do.

Day and night, day and night, upload, upload. Well, good luck to them. If that's what they want to do, but I would find that incredibly boring. That's why I do all the different things I do Because I just don't want to do one thing Yeah

What's your favourite thing? I was going to say, what's your favourite thing I'm going to say what's your favourite? It's not so much what I enjoy Because everybody's got a different size, haven't they? And so I could have a really hunky, gorgeous, cute guy And he's only got two inches So it's a finger job, not a hand-y-job,

not a hand job. So, as a woman, I'm sure you'd appreciate that. It's not really very enjoyable. Not sure if you've ever... Not sure if you've ever found a two-inch one and had to play with it. Or had any desire to play with it, you know. So it doesn't... There's so many features of a man, you know, I like a cute, sexy guy with a nice body,

with a nice penis. And who can last more than... than 30 seconds. Well, it's not much to ask, is it? You would think not. Yeah. But you'd be surprised that how many can only last 30 seconds. Really?

Oh, and they're younger. Wow. I've got a few 30-somethings who, one guy said to me, bless him, very cute, very lovely. And he said, I want to come and give you the best sex of your life. Now, I don't know if you've ever been told that, but you go, yeah, right. Believe that when I see it. So he came and he lasted 30 seconds. He was gutted, poor guy.

Absolutely gutted. He came and he came? Yeah. Yeah, literally. Yeah. And when he went home, he messaged me and said, sorry about that. It didn't quite go according to plan, did it?

It do go like that. And I've seen him a few times since, and each time he comes with that ambition to come either to last longer or to come twice. Hasn't happened yet. Oh, bless him. Poor guy. Poor guy. Poor guy.

Yeah. Shame. Bless him. Such a bless. Yeah. Just on that previous beat, online you've been coined as the OAP Bonnie Blue. And as we are a sex positive podcast, I would love to ask your thoughts on what she's doing. Yeah.

Again, I hadn't heard of her until I was doing the one with Olivia because Olivia was on this morning. And then I think, not sure, I think, or Lorraine, they interviewed. I think it might have been Lorraine that interviewed this Bonnie Blue. Yeah. I didn't know anything about her. And then I discovered about the day when it was Shagga,000 guys in 24 hours. And I thought, what? Are you serious, woman?

Why? Money, followers. Fame. Fame. You know. No. No. And then I watched a, I think she was being interviewed by Louis Theroux or somebody.

I can't remember who. it got to the point when she was wanting to do something with Andrew Tate, no less, who I did know about. And let's just say, I've got nothing good whatsoever to say about that man. No, nothing here either. And that's when whoever was interviewing her decided not to carry on interviewing her. And I thought, good for you. Well done.

That was her Channel 4 documentary, wasn't it? Yes. We actually appear in that. We appear in that. Do you? Did you? Oh. Yeah.

Not as a commental. No, no. We have the podcast. We were speaking about her and they used our clips. Oh. So we appear briefly. Yes. So, no.

I mean, I mean, what do you say about somebody like that? I mean, I'd quite like in some respects to meet her and find out what's behind all of that, you know, because it's so banal and pointless that you're just doing that. for fame and likes and you know yes she was earning a million bound on a week or whatever so she was earning mega mega bucks but really yeah you know I mean I worked out it was about 30 30 odd seconds for each guy you know yeah it's not worth it I think also her morals are just like the way that she targets and rage baits people and like uses women as a kind of like a catalyst and kind of

like to fuel, if you get fuels off of their anger. And I just think she calls herself a feminist. And how can you be a feminist if you're willing to use women and rage bait women? Exactly. Yeah. I mean, no. Talking crap about people's wives and girlfriends and stuff. It's like, why are you bringing me into this?

I don't really get that. Just back on to the, so being an escort, can I ask what your main clientele is? What's the age range? Anything from 20. I had one last week a little 20 year old I did have two when I first started so the age difference is now more

because I was you know was 73 so I was late 60s when I saw those two yeah so this one last week he's 20 and I'm 73 so 53 years different as a friend very kindly pointed out to me because he was excited at the thought

bless him. He thought, wow, do you realize it's 53 years different? Oh, so it is. So, yeah, and the oldest was about 90. Oh. Yeah. Well, at first he said he was 71. Oh, could you tell? He catfished you. Oh, yes.

So, well, it took him five minutes to walk up the path, which is not very long. Another five minutes to walk up the stairs. Oh, gosh. And then when he derrobed, to say that gravity had taken over was a serious understatement. I mean, I worked in sheltered housing a few years ago,

so I had seen many elderly people naked in bed. So I know what the skin does to you. Oh, don't say that. Yeah. And I thought, no, there's no way you're 71. In fact, you're pushing it for 81. In fact, probably still pushing it for 91.

So he never owned up. But the second time he came down, he came all the way down from Cambridge to see me on the train twice. So the second time, he did admit that he wasn't 71, but he didn't tell me how old. But I thought, yeah, I think if you tried to say anything beyond younger than 90, I won't believe you anyway. Oh, my God. Something I'm really curious about is as you get older, Does your age of attraction change? Like, I'm attracted to people that kind of look my age.

Like, when you get older, do you now start becoming attracted to older men? Or is it younger men? Nah. Because, yeah. And I'm sure a lot of couples, married couples, you know, maybe the women might have wished they'd married somebody younger so that they could carry on together. longer because although, you know, to be fair, it's six of one and a half a dozen of the other

because a lot of my clients, the vast majority of my clients are in a relationship or married. Okay. So, and they come for different reasons and they started off because I, when I was a Christian, it was like, no, you can't sleep with the married man. So, but as they shared why, it was either They're not getting any at home. And they're only in their 50s. And it's like, have I got to live without sex for the next 20, 30 years? You know, so they pay to come and see somebody like me. Because it's safe.

It's anonymous. And they can go back to their happy lives. Because the vast majority of them are perfectly happy married with everything else in the marriage, but not the sexual side. And you think, well, that's a fairly major point in a relationship, isn't it? So no commitment, all anonymous. Nobody gets hurt. okay yes it's wrong in that you know

cheating and the wife but if the wife does not know and she's perfectly happy then they're going to stay for longer and they're both going to be happy in the relationship so it's really complicated but I could see the reasons why they were doing it and I thought well yeah it's your best option obviously how many clients would you say you see on a regular basis like is it one or two a day or no I don't even do it every day now when I was doing it when I first started

I was still only seeing about four or five a week. But now I've paid the mortgage. I don't need to do it. I choose to do it. But, you know, holiday money, whatever. So I can see who I want when I want, which is marvellous. So I don't even have to see the ones that I don't really enjoy it. We have to ask.

Would you mind sharing how much money you've made from being an escort? Oh gosh, when I was doing everything and lots of escorting and whatever. It was 3,000 a month. It was quite good. But that did include webcam, so it wasn't just having sex with guys. And a lot of them, we don't even get to the sex. Some of the, you know, well, some people would say oral is sex, you know, penetrative sex. Yeah.

Because they want other things, you know. They've got a fantasy, granny fantasy. They want me to punish them, you know. Oh. Is that quite common? Yeah. Oh, yes. I've got one guy and he gets sent by his wife to be punished.

She used to do it to him, but she's not capable anymore. So she sends him to me to give him a good punishing. And I can't do it, really, you know, like a proper dominatrix. No, I don't have the strength for one thing. But he wants me to leave marks because it's like gentle punishment with my paddle and my whip. or it's making the bum's pink or it's making them red and then it's actually leaving the marks

and she wanted me to and if it didn't do it properly he got sent back for me to do it properly what's the weirdest thing someone's asked you to do? Oh yeah but there's three and I always have to say to people

you decide was it wearing a guy's mother mother's knighty and him wearing one as well. What in the psycho? And to make it even worse, wearing his dead mother's nighty. No!

What in the psycho? That's crazy. And he was a perfectly respectable businessman. Travels the world. The least likely person you would think would ask for that. Oh, we did. And, yeah, but they were those old, static. Don't know what the material, polyester material that if you...

It just clung to your skin. Oh gosh. Vile. So yeah, so that's one. Okay. The other one is feeding a guy, a poo sandwich. Hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate. Who's poo?

Don't tell me you did it. Who's poo? Would it have been? Well, I have been asked to do hard sports quite a few times. And I always have to say, I can't do it. I mean, who came? You know? You probably could.

Could we ask you questions now on that? Wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, I have a thing to ask about this because it's been mentioned. Where was this person from? The Isle of White. Fuck. It's where I'm from. It was me.

Do you know him? No, do I know him? Send me his name, Leia. Yes. Wow. We actually have a Poo Museum on the Isle of White, so it does add up. Oh. that might be where he gets it from then.

Yeah. So, yeah. So, and I said, well, I can't do it on Q. He said, well, because he was traveling up from the Isle of Wight, it was quite a distance. So I said, I would have normally done my poo that morning. So he said, well, could you prepare it for me? You know, I hope none of you are squeamish at this point.

I made it into sausages. Two sausages. Caroline, what do you mean? You were playing with it. I would just left it to him. Pick up from the toilet. So, well, I had to get it ready. So I go see, obviously with gloves on.

Obviously. I don't think I even need to mention that. Obviously, so I scooped it up and rolled it into two sausages. Then because it wasn't solid, I wrapped it in cling film, then wrapped it in foil and then put it in the freezer overnight. Oh my God. You gave the freezer a deep clean afterwards, I hope. Well, no, because it was all in cling film.

And there was nothing at all that could get out and foil. So it was all encased in this sausages. And then I got them out. And so he turned up. And I realized that he was not a nice guy. Oh, really. He was, I don't know what you call them, really. But it was like, he kept on telling me I should move to the Isle of Wight.

Oh, people do do that. Weirdos do that. You know. Join us. Join us. It's really good. I said, I don't want to move to the Isle of Wight. Oh, but you'd like it.

No, I wouldn't. Oh, yes, you would. And I said, it's fine for a holiday, but I don't want to live. there. Oh, but you'd love it there. I used to think that. No, you really should. And I'm thinking this guy's winding me up here. And beside the point, my shit is in the freezer. Exactly. So, so it didn't start off too well.

And then, so I got it out and he didn't. Do you get something out of this? Well, only the pleasure of humiliating them. Right. You know, and in his case, that was serious. I mean, some guys when I like them, I think, no, I don't really want to humiliate him, but if they want to do it. Whereas this guy, it was like, if I could think of

anything, everything to humiliate this guy. I seriously would. So the next day, he message me and he said, the reason I didn't, wouldn't eat them was because, wait for it, I didn't think they were yours. Oh, don't insult me like that. Like you would ask your friend to pop round

and do a poo for you. Who else is going to stoo for you? I mean, really. Where else are you going to get poo from these days? Yes, I mean, you know. Doctor's clinic. Excuse me, Doctor. I have your finest turd.

Yes. When you've been examining people, you know, do you keep your turds in the prison? Because I'd be quite interested. So in terms of what you get out of it, do you orgasm every time? No. You don't. I have never orgasmed with a finger, a cock, or a hand, or a finger. I can't orgasm naturally with a guy.

I can only orgasm with my toys. Right. Is that because the man isn't doing enough for you? No, it's just apparently four out of five women don't. Yeah. They fake it and then when the guy's gone, they use the toys. I wouldn't have to worry about that. I discovered that on a TV program.

Yeah. When they were helping couples develop their relationship. Yeah. So in terms of these sexual experiences, would you say you have a high libido to mentally, prepare yourself for them or does it seem like a job? Is it like a chore? No, it's, I can't get aroused until I've seen somebody.

So I might see, because I don't see what they look like before they come. Oh. To see me. So when I open the front door, it could be anybody, you know? And they could, and when I was on the swinging, there were four types of guys. And you always ask for a face picture. And I had four groups, four face pictures. And the first one was, number one would.

be somebody who's looking really gorgeous and sexy and hunky and you go, how soon can you come? And the second was, oh, yeah, no, he's all right. Yeah, could work with this one. Third one is, well, not really my type, but if he's got a lovely personality, that'll do for me. Gorgeous. And then the last one is, oh, dear God, no. Do you have to turn people away at that point? So that was what I decided on the swinging one.

And so because I don't see the clients, I have no idea what they're going to look like. So sometimes it's a pleasant surprise. Do you have any boundaries or complete no-noes? Obviously underage, that's illegal. Yeah. So it's got to be 18, minimum age of 18. Yeah. So I don't do the poo anymore.

The other one related to that is water sports. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So that's a fairly common one. Although some people, when you say it, they go, oh, no, disgusting. and then it's quite a frequent request do you do watersports are you pee in my mouth

and again it's I can't do it on cue you know I've got an overactive bladder and it works when it wants to work it's like I can't tell it right you've got to pee in this guy's mouth now well those are healthy boundaries I think yeah healthy

so I can't there probably are other things you know but how do you like friends and family react to this yeah That's interesting. Friends? Brilliant. In fact, I have got a friend who is in her 90s and is a Christian, a proper Christian.

She's lovely, known her for many, many years. She knows what I do. She doesn't judge me. We don't talk about it a lot, but I remember when I was doing Jeremy Kyle. I went over to see her and a friend, both in their 90s. Because I couldn't go over because I said I'm doing Jeremy Carl this week. not thinking in any way that they were the kind of person that would watch Jeremy Kyle. You know, they're in their 90s,

been Christians, all their lives. I mean, why would they be interested in Jeremy Kyle? So my friend, I said, oh, what's what watch is that? Oh, okay. So after I'd done it, went around to see them for lunch, and I just was astonished by their reply. So they said, so why are you on there then?

So I said, well, I'll let you have a think. And so one of them said, you run a brothel. Side hustle, side hustle. And they didn't, they hadn't, they hadn't asked any questions relating what I did before. That's crazy. I know. And I wasn't actually doing the escorting then. I was just doing the swing and the pod star, but it was like, wow, they're a bit more liberated than I was expected.

Ursula, bless her, continued to pray for me every day afterwards and told me so, bless her. And that's fine, you know. but Marigold, yeah, she's just so open-minded. And with all of my friends, they love me for who I am, not for what I do. Yeah. And that's what has got me through life. My family. One of my sisters sent me a card saying, we'd like to meet, this was all very formal,

we'd like to meet at a time and place of your choosing, to discuss how we all feel about how we've drifted over the, the years. I then gave them some Sunday dates and so, because that was the only day I wasn't working. I was working six days a week. And so then they said, oh, maybe when you've got some time off. So I thought, okay, before it happened,

got another email saying, in view of certain revelations in the media, we do not think a meeting would be helpful. Oh. Hmm. Yay. Because I didn't want to anyway. Yeah. So I still don't know what they know. Oh.

how much they know. I have no idea because none of my family have actually asked. Do you speak to any of them still? No. I get Christmas card from one of my nieces. And she obviously knows, but it doesn't bother her because she's still happy to keep in touch. I have an aunt who I also know, pretty sure she knows,

and we communicate on Facebook. So I don't know how many know. but do you think like the judgment not just from your family but maybe like any judgment that you get online you get more because of your age it's not just the job or the profession that you're judged for perhaps it's it kind of depends who it is because when I've done these programs and usually the guys that are doing it they say don't look at the comments you know and so I go oh you know I love the comments I like to take them all on I like to challenge them it's fun, particularly the evangelical Christians who say, I need Jesus.

Or she couldn't have been a proper Christian. She would never have left if she was a proper Christian. You know, and it's like, right. So I challenge every Christian I like to challenge, you know. So some say, she should not be doing this at her age. Why? The vast majority go, good for you. You know, that's what we love.

you know, a woman who is confident, you know, in what she does in herself. Yeah. You know, it's perfectly legal. Why shouldn't she? Yeah. You know? And then there are obviously others that say that think, and this is where one of the misconceptions comes in, that think that I meet the dregs of society.

They are my clients. Yeah. Because they get it mixed up with girls working on the street. Right. And this is where I try to explain to people that there is a vast difference between, well, I term as a sex worker who is a lady, a girl working on the street, or one working in a brothel. Those are sex workers in the real sense of the word.

Escorting is completely different. We're private, we do it in our own homes, it's legal, the police are perfectly aware, whereas if you're on the street or in a brothel, it's different. You know, you can get arrested on the street or in a brothel. They tend to just overlook them, don't they? And they let them carry on. Escorting, the police are absolutely fine, as long as you're doing it on your own.

Do you know who Lily Phillips is? For a bit of context, she's one of the top only fans, creators, and she recently got baptised. And just coming from your background, do you think the two can live in harmony? No. No. Let me expand on that one.

Okay. Personally, having watched some of the videos, I would say it's like Bonnie Blue. It's for attention. It's shock. It's, because I saw a couple of her videos, and this guy had interviewed her about a month before, and she wanted nothing to do with God,

didn't believe in Jesus, didn't believe in any of that, you know. And then suddenly she wants to be baptized. But not only does she want to be baptized, she wants to carry on with the only fans at the same time. She's using the baptism to find her way to God. How does that work? Normally you find God and when you're totally committed, then you get baptized.

You don't use it as a means to find God. So it was like warning signs, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Yeah. This feels like a publicity stunt really, doesn't it? Like gets people talking and... Yeah. And she's good friends with, you know, Bonnie blues.

Yeah. Well, they were, but I think they're falling out. Have they fallen out? I think so. I have just a general question out of my curiosity. How do you step into your sexual confidence? Like what, like, what puts you in this space where you prioritize sex or this kind of thing? Well, there isn't really because I don't know who's coming.

therefore I'm not turned on or anything I'm just seeing a client and then when I open the door that's when it starts so I haven't prepared it's just like this is going to be a good one and then we get up to the bedroom

snogging certainly sets me up sets me on my way love a kiss a good snog yeah yeah a dry one not a slobbery one no

line on your back guy snogging you and his saliva is dribbling all down your mouth. Really, some people may like that. Not me. I like a good dry snog. That turns me on. Are older people better at kissing

because they've had more time to practice? You don't practice? I don't think anybody practices. No. She does. Oh, on the back of my end. Well, obviously the guys don't because they haven't learnt

that women like nice, dry ones. You know? I don't want a mouthful of saliva. Yeah. Yeah. You know, so you don't, I never have, and I don't think guys do. And I don't think women do. I mean, I never learned.

Did you learn to kiss when you were young? No, but that's the thing. It's like you said, you know, you're a celibate all those years and you haven't really watched porn, right? No. So, like, how do you know what you like? Well, it was only when I met, you know, started doing the swinging and met this guy that I, and then doing the escorting, I would find the right size and shape. And when guys say about it is,

they say, what's your favourite position? Well, I don't have one because it depends on the size of the guy and his appendage, because you can only do certain positions with, you know, certain sizes. I mean, I can't get on a guy who's 29 stone and sit on his cup, you know, because I can't find it. I'm going to roll off.

Yeah. What is the average size penis? I would say it. What I call his average is six inches. Six inches. Yeah. Nice and straight. Don't like the ones that are nice and straight,

but got a mushroom head, you know. Hate. Because they won't go in, you know. I just like nice, straight. Yeah. Easy to suck and easy to sit on cowgirl. Calgo is a little go-to. That's one of my favourites, partly because I like it, but also because they can play with me titties as well at the same time.

Because they love to suck them because we know that, you know, 36H, I mean, who wouldn't? Wow. Don't expect the guys to comment on that. No, go. Do you have any stage names or, like, persona names? Well, so I started with the first video, so we created this name, Caroline V. Okay, so that stuck. What does a V stand for?

It was just made up. The photographer said, how about Caroline B? And I went, yeah, okay. Love. You know, never thought about it. It just happened. But on Twitter, stroke X, I'm Busty Granny. Oh, that's got to ring to it.

That's good. Busty, yeah, at Busty Granny. You could be a rapper with that name, like Buster Rhymes. Buster Rhymes, Busty Granny. Love it. We've got some quickfire questions for you. Answer as many as you can, as quickly as you can. Okay.

Do you have any pre-sex ritual? No, but just dress up looking as sexy as I possibly can. What's the wildest thing you've ever been asked to do? Was the, the poo, the dead mother's nighty. What are you watching on TV? It's just so random from that. And is it related to any of those three? It's just going to speak to you a bit human.

Yeah, yeah. Human interest. What are you watching on TV at the moment? I love the traitors. Oh, nice. I watch the quiz shows. Yeah? I like a red eye that's recently been on.

I like detective programs. Yeah. Quite a wide. Love it. Have you had normal? You know, believe it or not, I'm an escort, but. You have normal. You know, talking about sexes.

not what I do 24 hours a day. I've got another life. Yeah. Have you um have you heard about heated rivalry? No. Oh, it's amazing. Well, it's gay. Oh, it's gay. But a straight men, a lot of straight women love it. It's these two, uh, hockey players and it's bowing up this year. Very popular at the moment. It's just come out. I did have a gay client once. Yeah. Yeah. Thoughts. I think he was trying to work out what his sexuality was and he thought it'd be safe to try it with a granny. Because he didn't think the woman of his own age was going to be understanding enough. Oh, that's nice. They were virgins. They were two actually.

They were virgins. They still are. Okay, next one. What is your favourite sex position? Well, as I said, they, you know, they've got to have normal body, you know. And then I love doing cowgirl, bouncing up and down on it while they suck me tits. Uh-huh. What's your favourite sex toy?

Oh, I've got two. my glass dildo, that makes me gush. You squirt? No. Oh, internally. I, no, I gush out of my pussy. Squirting is out of your uterus, because that's pee. Right.

But gushing, when I'm using my glass dildo, it flows, can flow. So I have to put a towel on the floor. So that's what I call coming. So for a lot of ladies, coming and having an orgasm, can be separate. So I come, but because it's separate, I don't feel anything as such. I mean, it's quite nice to do and it's quite fun.

But you don't get a rat, you know, have the orgasm at the same time. So it's a bit like you shooting your load, but not having the orgasm, it's like, oh, that's it. You know, you need the orgasm, don't you guys? You know? Yeah. And what's the other one? I forgot what the original question.

Oh, the other toy. My wand. Your one. My doxy. Well, it was a doxy. with the first one I had, which was big. Yeah. This one is electric.

The other one. No, the other one was, I wore the other one out, the first one. Yeah, big toy. Bit like that, head like that. Vibrates. Have you ever tried a rose toy? A rose toy? Yeah, the little round thing.

Yeah. Got one of them. Oh, they love that on TikTok. Oh, do they? Yeah. You watch you on TikTok. I recently got one of those. But the wand is the guaranteed orgasm every time.

I like it on my bum, I like it on my pussy, and I like it on my clip. And if I can get a clit orgasm at the same time as a G-spot orgasm, I'm a happy bunny. Yeah, love it. I actually asked the last question. I'm sorry. I was speechless. What is one piece of advice you wish you had when you were younger? Make your own decisions.

Do not listen to what I. other people say about you, but accept who you are, be who you are, be honest, be who you are, and if people don't like it, they can off. Absolutely. Love that. What is the most dangerous thing about your job, if there is any? Well, I mean, people would say it's dangerous to allow strangers to come to your house. But when I was doing the swinging, I would meet in the park,

or have a coffee and then we would both decide whether. But that was because you wanted to see if there's a connection. I started that when I did the escort and after a while I thought, you know what, I was wasting my time. You know, they've all been perfectly nice. I haven't met any weirdos, you know. And so why not just let them come? And so I have yet to meet a widow, a freak.

I mean, okay, you might say the guy with the poo was weirdo or freak. But he wasn't dangerous, you know. There's nobody, I haven't met anybody that, you know, is an axe murder. or somebody, you know, or into rape or, you know? Yeah. Because they're not the kind of people that are looking for a granny. Yeah. And actually, I'd be more dangerous walking down the street to find somebody like that

than I do in my own home. That's very interesting. Great take. Who is your celebrity crush? Miriam Margulies. Not because I want to play with her, because I know she's gay and she's got a very lovely partner. Yeah.

But I just love her whole attitude. and persona and she says it as it is. And that's what I like to do. I mean, I just love her. What gets better with age? Well, for me, it was feeling sexy. Because up until the age of 57, I didn't feel sexy in any way, shape or form.

I could not imagine a guy fancying me. So to be told when I first started swinging, oh, you're so sexy. And I'm thinking, no, don't be silly. They're just saying. in it. But over a period of time I thought, you know what? Yeah. And now I feel even more sexy because

last year I lost two stone. So now I look in the mirror even more and go, you look good. I love that because I'm sure I don't just speak for myself but I don't feel sexy. I don't know what it is and I don't know if that's going to get better with age. I just don't feel

empowered in that sense. Hopefully it comes when I'm 57. Might do. Maybe. Well, it depends. You know, I mean, people, people don't feel sexy for different reasons, I think. Yeah. For their background, for how they've been treated, you know, younger. But for the response they've had from guys, you know, there's all kinds of reasons as to why a woman wouldn't feel sexy.

But equally a man. Yeah. You know. True. You know, that's why a lot of guys come to see me because they've never had anybody tell them, you know, want them. Oh. What's one rule you live by? Life's too short.

Enjoy it. So do you have like a favourite fantasy? Well, I only have one because I didn't think I did fantasize. and I thought of one and I said, back in the days of COVID, I would have wanted to get Boris Johnson, Wishy Sundak, Dominic Raab, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Matt Hancock, Hancock. In a room, I would pay a dominatrix to come and kick the shit out of them.

And then I would get Suella Brabaman, Pritchie Patel, Denise Coffey, six of that, six women to line up and watch, and then they would have to go along and suck them all off. Where are you? Huh? Where are you? I'm standing in the room. Oh, oh.

I thought you were getting involved, right? No, I'm standing there watching. Oh. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, that shocked you too, didn't it? Yeah. That goes down as a record for a fantasy.

Thank you for sharing. You're well. Finally, what's your go-to sex song? Go-to sex song? Yeah, what song puts you in the mood or would you like to play when you have sex? Oh, I don't think I have one. I mean, my favourite client, he always puts music on while we're shagging, you know. But I spend very little time listening to the music because I'm too busy.

Occupied. Yes. Because we can do it for an hour. Now, that's, you know, that's serious. He's on my list. He's my favourite. And he likes, he asks me to wear different things, you know, can you wear this this time? And, you know, or that time.

The funny thing is he's got three, three of us that he's. that he sees. And I know the other two, not personally, but, and sometimes he gets us mixed up. And I remember he used to ask me to wear my red outfit, my red lingerie with my red boots. And I had to keep telling him, I don't have any red boots.

But I knew that Beverly had red boots. Oh. So I caught him out. Jesus. But we're all different. Oh, yes, because the age of escorting, there's a lady that's still doing it, and she's 86.

Wow. She's been doing it for 30 years. So that's what got me into it to start it was because I watched the program My Granny the Escort And there was a woman on there who was 85 at the time And I said, oh my word

If she can do it, so can I And I thought, wow, wow But I've been missing all these years So I'm making up for lost time I'm just like yes, I write that Yes, well power to you I love it I think it's empowering Thank you for leaving us

positively speechless at moments. But for the best reason, I feel like it's so nice to hear someone speak so openly and confidently and non-judgmentally about sex because it's not a taboo and it shouldn't be a thing that's embarrassed to talk about as you get older. And I see my future in its brights. Yes.

There's no age limit on pleasure or fun or desire. No, somebody on Twitter, oh, so when I did a documentary the guy said about how would you like to be remembered and I said on my greystone I want she shagged until the very end good for her and what a way to end on it Caroline B everyone incredible such a good episode thank you so good