Tea at Four - I'm A Botox Doctor, Here's The Truth Behind Celebrity Botox and Ozempic Face

Episode Date: February 6, 2026

Why are celebrities suddenly looking "natural" again, and what exactly is "Ozempic Face"? We’re joined by London’s top aesthetic doctor, Dr. Motox, to spill the tea on celebrity filler secrets, the dangers of backstreet procedures like penis filler, and the skincare that actually works.In this episode of Tea At Four, Lauren and Billy sit down with Dr. Mo (Dr. Motox) for an unfiltered look into the world of cosmetic procedures in 2026. From debunking the myth that filler "dissolves" to revealing the truth behind Kylie Jenner’s Golden Globes look and Molly-Mae’s lip transformation, no topic is off-limits.Send us your dilemmas, tea or quite frankly anything you find funny to [e-mail].💖 Watch on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@Teaatfourpod💖 Follow on TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@four.nine💖 Follow on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/fournine/?hl=en Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Are millennials choosing Botox over mortgages? Potentially, yes. Hi guys, welcome back to T-N-4. I'm Lauren. And I'm Billy, and this is the podcast where we talk all things that normally stay in the group chat. Today, we have a very special and iconic guest and friend, Dr. Motocs. Welcome, Moe. Thanks for having me. Thank you for coming on. We've been trying to do this at ages, so fine, we got it in the diary. If you could tell our listeners who you're always, we're excited.

are what you do and what makes you so special. Maybe you can tell them what's so special. But no, I'm Dr. Moe also known as Dr. Motox, pun intended there. And I have a clinic in London where I carry out loads of non-surgical treatments on everyone and anyone that you all know and not know. So that's quite a high, you have quite a high list of celebrities that come to you, don't you? I do. A lot of them I can't obviously tell you about on screen.

maybe off-skinned we have a chat later but um yes a loads of celebrities reality stars and all that kind of stuff just off the bat and we were having a conversation about this billy isn't really in this world but i'm quite you know you're in i'm quite well-burst with the world of cosmetic procedures um what would you say in 2026 is like the most popular thing people come to you for at the moment the trends are changing massively and right now everyone's looking so good but so natural. So everyone thinks people aren't having treatments done, but they are. Everyone's having all the treatments done. But things are just changing in the way we're injecting. So everything we are doing now is making your own body heal and regenerate itself. So the kind of treatments

that we're doing are a lot more natural and a lot more subtle, but super, super effective. So you'll see like the Kylie Jenner's at the moment, the Emma Stones at the moment, Anne Hathaway, the Lindsay Lowhanes. They all look incredible. Everyone's talking about how incredible they look now, but that's because the treatments they're having done are regenerative. So the kind of things I mean by that are like exosone, PDRN, stem cells, all these things that the general public don't actually understand what they do. So to claim, what are these treatments? What is even that?

No one actually really understands it that much. And sometimes even I, it takes me a while to actually get on board with these things. So I'm like, what does, what do these words actually mean? but all these things they're injected into the skin and they make your cells try and communicate a little bit better with each other

so then it might stimulate to produce loads of collagen so collagen acts like a scaffold and it literally holds the skin up like a scaffold and as time goes on those scaffolds drop from like sun damage smoking

vaping all that kind of stuff I know you've got no chance but these injectable things stimulate your body to produce those kind of things like collagen therefore holds the skin up a bit better helps you produce pheloric acid which gives your skin hydration and makes you glow and shine um so that's the route we're going down and that's going to be massive this year because i think some of those huge ailer celebs that are

looking good are going to start slowly leaking the secrets of the treatments they're having done i thought you're going to say like leaking stuff out their face yeah really there was a stage where people were literally leaking stuff out their face right we remember kiley jenna back in Was it 2016 Kylie, Jenna? King Kylie. King Kylie. I loved her then and I love her now. No hate to her.

I thought she looked great there now now. But people were literally leaking filler because they thought that's what looked good and that's what gave people status is being full and being able to afford those things. Whereas now it's changed to becoming, people are still talking about it, but they are having it done in a completely different way. Because we were talking as well, because like you said earlier, that like Kylie Jen for example at the Golden Globes everyone was like oh she's had her lips dissolved she looks so much better but people assume that she's had like all of her cosmetic treatment basically

erased but that's not the case that's a load of rubbish and those those people like Kylie like the Molly Mays who claim everything's been dissolved and that's just the natural look it's not we know what you look like naturally we've we've seen it that's not what you look like and so these people are having those overdone treatments taken out for sure but it's all being restarted again. I can guarantee Kylie Jenner has a face full of filler, exosomes, all those kind of things. She's having it done, but she's just having it done very, very, very well now.

She's seeing someone who really knows what they're doing, someone like me. That almost seems like sneaky though, because like when you could see someone's head to work done before, people could then kind of make their own judgments and be like, oh, well, you know, I don't necessarily need that. But now I guess, I don't know, like the everyday person might be looking at that being like, oh my God, they're so naturally beautiful, but actually they've got all these hidden secrets and they're comparing themselves.

Yeah. And it's a difficult scenario to be in because she can do what she wants. It's none of our business and who are we to judge and even talk about it sometimes, you know? But they're also in the limelight. And if you're going to tell me you're natural, don't lie to me.

Just I'd rather you not address it. It's like Kendall the other day. She came out and was like, I've had no work done. I'm like, Kendall. Right. Can you tell? Yeah, she looks fantastic. She looks incredible. She's beautiful. But again, I just think just, just own it.

Yes, you have had tweaks done. She hasn't gone through like the Kylie stage. She hasn't gone through like the King, Kylie, King Kendall stage of looking done. She's always kept it natural, which is why she gets away with it a little bit more. But course, she's had treatments. We've all seen that nose. We've, though, that brow lift, like, she looks sensational. her lip has doubled in size.

And that doesn't happen just from maturing. With maturing, you lose your lip. You don't gain a lip. Yeah. In those circles as well, we see it like, Haley Bieber's obviously got the Rose skincare line and she attributes this perfect skin to like her cleanser to her fucking glazing milk.

But actually, she then goes on the podcast and says, well, you know, I have my own blood injected into my face. Yeah. Which is an incredible treatment. And that's why her skin will be glowing. Yeah. I'm sure her products are amazing. we love Haley, we love her.

She is watching. She will see this. Love it. We'll do some promo for you. But she's also having those treatments. She's having her PRP plus a million other things while she's in the clinic. So what are these treatments? What's blood injecting?

Well, so what happens with that is you, like, we'll take your blood. We'll spin it. So we'll get all of the bits that we don't actually want, all like the red blood cells and all that kind of stuff that are. we need for life, but we don't need it for beauty. So we'll get rid of it. We take the golden portion out. So when you separate the blood, there's this golden portion which has all the nutrients.

It's got all your plasma, all your healing cells, all the exosomes. So those things that we are injecting back into your skin, you've naturally got that stuff. So we can extract it, take all the healing parts out, and then concentrate it in an area. And you can inject it anywhere. So obviously most people is their face, their neck, their hands. So if we inject it directly into those areas, is going to work specifically in those areas. And it's going to cause regeneration, make you glow and you shine.

And you, in the clinic, you look absolutely crazy, obviously, because we're just taking your blood and injected it all over your face. And that's called like the vampire facial. Right. I've heard that. So I think Kim made that massive. Back in the day, I think she posted a picture of herself with blood all over her face and everyone's like, what is going on.

But that's what that is. So you're just taking all the goodness and putting it back in a concentrated area. Which, Haley, and I think Kendall said, has having that done actually as well. Yeah. You say there's like a massive trend then in rejuvenation. In like layman's terms, do you think everyone's just scared of aging? Yes.

And I think that comes from social media. Yeah. Like when I was in school, social media wasn't really a huge thing. The biggest thing we had was maybe Bieber and Myspace and you had those horrible, grainy photos. But now we've got such high quality photos. We've got editing. We've got AI.

So everybody constantly looks flawless. and obviously you want to look like that as well. Most of it is not real. The lighting, like we know what lighting can do. I know what makeup can do. So it becomes a bit unachievable. But people then compare themselves to that standard and want to get to that standard,

which is scary because it's not actually possible to get to that standard. But people want to do whatever they can to slow aging down and look the best they possibly can. Yeah. Which I'm here for. Yeah.

But I think we just need to know what our limits are. Yeah, 100%. I was going to ask, I feel like a few years ago from people like Molly May, there was quite a trend in people dissolving their fillers. Yes. Did you see a dip in business or did you see, you know, more of an interest in people wanting to look more natural and still getting the fillers? I just saw a huge rise in business at that time because everyone was coming in to have their filler dissolved. Oh, yeah, of course. So I spent the whole, the whole time just dissolving everyone's filler. which was yeah wild crazy but it needed to be done actually I think we needed to go through our stage

I think Molly May started that trend and then I did Fay Winter's lips because when she was in Love Island way back in the day she had those huge lips with like the brown lip liner which just really extensuated it so when she came out I dissolved her lips and then redid them and that was a huge moment within the industry actually itself that that alongside the Molly May made dissolving a huge thing where everyone was like actually we can have natural results but again like fay winter was fantastic because she owned up to having it dissolved and they're just redone properly yeah which is what everyone else is doing but then someone like moni may isn't talking about it she's saying she just had it all dissolved and taken off and that's just how she looks like

again we've seen all the photos from back in the day moni may's chin for example is very very set back she doesn't really have a chin and now all of a sudden she's growing a chin yeah that's because of filler. But no, so I've definitely seen a rise. It definitely drops and like goes up and down in terms of trends. But there's always an upward like incline in terms of people wanting treatments, whether that's dissolving, filling or bringing in new treatments. Do you ever have people come in and have these crazy requests and you're like, I'm not going to do that all the time. What's the craziest? There was one girl who came in who asked to look like Pete Burns. That was a lot.

Requested. Requested. And she never had worked at us. She was like this young girl, it's beautiful, beautiful young girl. But her look was just, she was like, I love people. Don't want like him. And I was like, great. We're not going to do that.

Thank you. Not here. But sometimes those things, it's about coaching the person. If you want to look crazy and out of this world, that's fine. Who am I to judge? none of my business. Yeah. As long as it's done safely.

For example, I'll have some drag queens who'll come in who want like the highest cheekbones you've ever seen, like super, super lifted, like sharp angles because the makeup just sits differently. And if we have that conversation and we're, and they're like, I know this doesn't look natural. I know this isn't what normal person have, but I want this for whatever reason. I'm like, fine. You understand that this isn't normal, that this isn't natural.

You know the risks of having this done. fine in that case we can do it but if someone comes in and it's like I want to look like this person and they don't know that that's not normal that's where the concerns come that's when I'm like let's step back a bit yeah we shouldn't be we shouldn't be doing this you have to act as therapist as well as oh honestly my my chair's therapy I know everyone's gossip I know who's breaking up with who who's cheating on who I love it oh my god my favorite part of my job she should create like a Perez Hilton gossip can I probably get cancelled yeah Let's not do that.

A source close to the. Yeah. So the other wild ones I get is occasionally request for penis filler, which is... Is that a thing? That is a thing. Is it called fallow fill? No, but it should be. Oh, why do I know that?

I don't know. Maybe it is. I don't offer it, so I don't know. I don't know. Oh, okay. What does it do? So the idea is it adds guff. Right.

Caroline would love and 70 on a score um I saw Caroline can find some some guys who've had that done but no so I don't provide that treatment but you can have it injected to add guff

to penis which to me is wild like are it's such a dangerous treatment and I don't I've never seen like a medically qualified person offer that treatment And the only time I've seen it is like back street kind of people.

Yeah. And if you are having your penis injected, please don't go to a back street person because that is absolutely crazy. I mean, this might be a really dumb question. What is it about the procedure that makes it so dangerous? It's such a sensitive area. Things can go wrong super, super easy.

The amount of nerves and blood vessels in those areas, if that is damaged, you're screwed. So you want to, if someone is to inject, around there you want to get someone who like really knows the anatomy yeah yeah and that won't be some someone in the back of back of the kitchen down this road yeah down this road yeah what is the most dangerous treatment you can get um everything is dangerous or every single treatment i'd say is has risks associated with it yeah um some of the riskiest ones are probably the ones that you're not told are risky for example lip filler is super super risky if you if like a little bit

filler goes into one of the blood vessels of the lip it can block it if it blocks it the skin will die and your lip will fall off but yeah there's a big bad if it's done safely by someone who knows the anatomy and someone who knows how to reverse things where things where complications are happening that just will not happen yeah and so everyone always thinks that lip filler safe but litful in my opinion is probably like one of the most unsafe places to inject um other places are are if you put filler into frown lines. So people have some really deep frown lines. So normally I'd reduce that with Botox.

But if you put filler into that area, there's a huge blood vessel that just runs up there. So if any of the filler gets into that, you will go blind. Which is just not all we need. So I don't actually provide that treatment just because the risk of blindness is just not for me. I'm not here for that. Is this a stupid question? What's the difference between Botox and filler? Great question, actually.

So Botox relaxes muscle. so it paralyzes muscles. And we can use that to stop the skin creasing. So everything just looks a lot smoother. So that's where, like, people, the upper part of their face just looks smooth because the skin's not being creased all the time. We can also use it for medical purposes. But for aesthetic purposes, it's to stop the skin be increased all the time.

So everything looks smoother. Whereas filler, we're adding volume. So we're either making, like, the lips bigger changing the shape of your face, replacing volume if you've lost volume if you're old or lost lots of weight. So that's the difference is the fillers like a gel that kind of stays there Botox just relax the muscles for like a couple of months and then disappears So that's why people get Botox in their armpits to stop them from swelling because it's from sweating Yeah, it's not swelling

That's it you problem Don't you do that Yeah so Botox so that's like one of the medical users of Botox is underarm sweating Honestly it's my favourite treatment to have done because I'm a sway boy Really? Not anymore because obviously I've dealt with the issue But Botox as well as paralyzing muscle, it paralyzes glands, sweat glands in particular, which means your sweat glands just can't produce sweat. And because it can't produce sweat, you don't have sweat patches. So I do

it for loads of men, have that treatment. And women, especially before their wedding, massive before the wedding, because no one wants a sweaty dress. This might be a myth, sorry, I'm not letting you speak at all. That's okay. Does the sweat not go somewhere else? No, this is, this is the biggest myth about sweating. That's right now. Myth busting section, Billy. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, welcome about that then. Stay tuned. Stay tuned. Stay tuned.

I have to ask something of you. It obviously seems like there's like an endless list of, you know, procedures and aesthetic treatments you can get. There was like a running stat on Bustle that said that millennials can't afford houses, so they're investing in their faces instead. Are millennials choosing Botox over mortgages? Potentially, yes. No, I think it's just very, very different.

But yes, I treat loads of millennials for their Botox. and people do see their skin and their face as a long-term investment. And I think that's kind of like their mind frame is actually, as well as me putting money towards my house and trying to get mortgage, I'm also investing in myself to make myself look and feel better, which is very understandable. But also the society living, especially like we live in London and its house prices here are absolutely ridiculous.

So the kind of comments I get from people about that are like, I'm never going to get on the ladder. So I might as well spend my money on my face. And I'm like, yeah, it seems like it's like, especially this industry is a bit unaffected by the cost of living crisis. Do you know what? Anytime anything's happened, anytime there's been like a crash, you know, the financial crash, COVID, all that kind of stuff.

I have never been affected because aesthetic treatments and beauty and things that make you look and feel good seems to be very high on people's like essential. So I think people have like an essential and like a desirable list. And that essentialist, beauty seems to be extremely high. After like maybe food and energy, I think it's food. Even food, food's not even a thing anymore because everyone's jabbing. Yeah. Can you see, like, is there a difference between like Gen Z and millennials?

Is there any trends or like do millennials do more treatments or is it equal? I find the younger ones I find actually are having less treatments. Because I think the clean girl aesthetic. seems to be very, very big. And the clean girl aesthetics comes with like minimal treatments, I think, and just looking very, very natural. Yeah. Whereas the slightly older crowd are used to or were in an era where they're,

the people that they looked up to were filled and did look like they had loads of treatments. So they're definitely a lot more, having a lot more treatments. But then that also, the difference in ages means that something, they need it less as well. they will probably be converted to more exciting treatments. Yeah. But I feel they're spending more than money on skincare products and like facials and all that kind of thing, which is what people should be doing actually. I don't think you should be jumping straight to having injectables at all.

I think you can achieve a lot more doing what you're doing at home. But the problem is people want like quick, fast results. And I, unfortunately, I can give you quick fast results. What's like the best at home treatments you can do? So a few things. Number one is a skincare program. You need to be on a fantastic skincare program. That will keep you looking younger and fresher for longer

and it will make you requiring Botox a lot later because the skin is just more hydrated. That's number one. Number two is... What's the water program? Honestly, super, super easy. An easy skincare program that everyone can stick to is in the morning a vitamin C

and a sunscreen. I do that. Right? Stunning. At night is a retinal. I do that. Wonderful. And those two things,

vitamin C and retinoles are the two things that are really doing something to your skin. They're making it produce collagen. They're hydrating. They're increasing the skin turnover, which means you've got like new fresh baby skin coming through a lot quicker. But those two products come on a range of strength from very, very weak to extremely strong to like prescription level strong. Yeah.

Now, when people first start, I'm like, just start low and then work your way up. Because if you start high, you'll hate it because your skin will literally just fall off. So you start really low. work your way up and the higher you go the smoother things look especially retinal retinal is so so important but people have like a love-hate relation with it because they use like brands which are like too strong or too aggressive and then they think they're allergic when you are not allergic

to restinal i can pretty much guarantee that um so if you if you use a good quality a great brand that has a really high number of um strengths in their system then you can start low and work your way way up like the one that i always tell my clients by is medicate medicate do the best retinal. I'm going to try it right now. The crystal retinal, honestly, there is nothing better on the market. I'm yet to see something that's better on the market. What's the price range of that?

Maybe you can Google that. No, I'm sorry. It's coming up to my head right now. I think the starting one is like 30 quid or something. I can do that. You can do that. I can do that. That's like, what, two coffees in London?

True. Just get two coffees. One pint. Yeah, exactly. One pint, two coffees. You mentioned the weight loss jabs and I'm seeing, especially online, a big trend of people now wanting to reverse their hollower faces from like the rapid weight loss. Have you seen puffing up as the new beauty trend? Massively, yes, huge.

So everyone is jabbing and like when people first come into my clinic, they are filling out a little form. And I'd say most people, it says Mondrero or whatever other companies in the Zempeak, etc. Most people are on it now and we know that. and we see that all day long. And it does incredible things. Like I love it. I'm a huge advocate for it. I think in terms of like general health benefits,

it's doing masses for people. You don't really see bigger people out and about in London. I'm saying that all the time. Like I sit on a train and there just isn't because everyone's jabbing. Which is fine, great in terms of health benefits. But I think sometimes people are taking it a little bit too far because I don't think you see yourself in that way. And they'll just think the skinnier, the better.

but what happens is yes you will lose fat everywhere including your face the only place that doesn't look good with huge fat loss is your face because we've got big fat pads all over our face which like holds things together and gives everything structure now when you lose the weight you can't control where that where you lose that from and inevitably unfortunately you lose it from you don't really want to lose it from including your cheeks here so this area here we have the biggest fat pad in our face is in this, the mid part of the cheek, the front part of the cheek. So when people lose weight, that sinks back, which means all this skin that is held up really nice and high, all of a sudden hasn't got any support and it's dropped down and it's hollowed, which doesn't look that aesthetic.

It ages you. With aging, we naturally lose that fat pad, which that's what gives older people hollowness in this area, or one of the reasons anyway. So now I'm seeing a huge trend in people who've lost look to weight and coming in now to have treatments to replace some of that volume which I can do it will never look like your own natural fat ever that I can't I can't do that because that's in a completely different plane of your face but I can do a little bit of damage control and I can do a little bit of replacement so we do a huge amounts of that where we replace the areas you naturally lose fat in which is most commonly from part of the cheek

back of the jaw and then the area just in front of the jowl because otherwise you just look really heavy and jowly and that's what you that's what we're saying nowadays and what happens when you or if you game the way back it will come back just like any other place but it won't like you mean on top of the treatments yeah so what you might have to have done is actually have the if you're going all that back then yeah you might be a bit too puffy so you might actually have the treatments that I'm doing reversed embarrassing yeah that will have sudden your face is out to here I picture that's a rover that's a rover which has mushrooms.

We're a generation that's obsessed with glow-ups, whether that's a glow-up after like a breakup or after a big life event and something that we want to have to make us feel good. Do you see a lot of your clients coming in after that kind of... Yeah, and before I was in this industry, I didn't really understand the glow-up thing. But now I can tell you when people having glow-ups.

I know the exact timeframes of where everyone's having glow-up. So the first one is, as soon as people hit the age of 30, 29 people are coming to see me. They are losing their minds at 29. Sorry guys. And I don't know what happens. I think the number 30 just makes people go crazy.

Yeah. And I don't get it. I'm like, guys, it's just a number. It's not that serious. Yeah. But people do think their life is ending. And they think they're like, right, I'm 30 now. What are we doing?

I'm like, not a lot. Like, nothing's changing overnight. Yeah. Breakups, obviously. People are coming in and want to look like a new person because they would have seen their partner getting or someone else so they want to look like that person which is crazy that is huge that really popular yeah of course it is

what picture as well reference pick imagine imagine if your partner broke up with you with someone with like huge tits what you're gonna do you're gonna go have a boob drop yeah can you do that with injectables you can actually inject boobs I personally want to do it is so dangerous it's ridiculous

no self-respecting person would inject your boobs with fill up so yeah oh my gosh so yeah breakups huge. Divorces, massive office reasons. People want that glow up. They're moving on to a new man, new woman, whatever. Obviously, weddings, weddings, the biggest glow-ups are for wedding.

People lose their money. The kind of people who are like, I'll never have treatments done. As soon as we've got that ring on the finger, they're in my chair the next day because they're not right, what we're doing. Yeah. And is that mostly for like photo taking? Photos, yeah. For one day.

Do people come to you and just be like, what do I need? Yeah, all the time. And then do you tell them? No, because that drives it. I hate that question. Yeah. My answer to that, especially for wedding ones, are I can make you a list as long as my arm.

I can sit there and scrutinize your face and I change your life probably. I did ask you to do that. You did. Exactly. But I would never do that. Yeah. Because otherwise, I'm giving you insecurities that you didn't have. So the way I work it is if you tell me what bothers you,

I can tell you either, yes, I can't help you or no, I can't help you, or you need to go see this person to help you with this issue. But I would never sit here and make your list because I could literally make your list from a head to toe and that's not what anybody needs. Because I see that all the time where people have had a consultation somewhere else. They'll come in and see me.

They're like, well, this person said, I now need a new chin, new lip, new nose, a brow lift. I'm like, do those bother you? They're like, no, but it does now because now this person has mentioned it. I'm like, that's the worst thing you can do to someone. I was actually going to ask, what do you think of, like, public TikTok, consultations because you see the people come out of Love Island or the influencers and they will

literally put online their consultation with their therapist. What was it called? Their injector. And the injector is like pointing out the things that they're not even seeing. And that's going out to the masses. Like what do you think of that? And that's scary because then people just think, okay, well, if that person is good enough to make Love Island and made all that casting and getting with these like hot people are getting together and the reason they're getting together is because they're having all these treatments and someone's scrucied. their face, which is awful. We should not be doing that to anyone, especially young females, is sitting there and giving them insecurities that they just do not need. Do you think they're

getting a discount for putting that online? They're having it done for free, yeah, I can. Which I don't offer. So anyone that you see on my socials will be paying for their treatment. And they, a lot of them do like to put it on their socials because it increases the engagement or like, we just have a good relationship. They're like, I just want to support you. I'm like, yeah, great, let's go. But I, that's not something that we offer in clothing. The vice one I see is always like is people giving that unsolicited advice. Like rude. So rude.

Like they'll be like, oh, this person in love island. She needs this, this and this. Oh, it's crazy. But then imagine if that was you, right? And you're sitting there on TikTok and bed like 2 a.m. scrolling. Yeah. And someone's like, you need this. That would make me spiral.

Yeah. That would gag me. Yeah. I'm sorry. What? I can't imagine. Do you ever hear that from your clients that come in? Yeah.

It's really sad because they'll come in and they'll say, oh, someone was talking about me online and they know oh i did this tv show and they noted this this this this this and i'm like that's just so mean yeah yeah how have people got time to sit there and just do that i mean i would probably do that i just need this this no i wouldn't just make sure you tag me yeah that's my like burner account literally do you think that um the way we view ourselves is like changed since lockdown or like oh yeah lockdown has made my business thrive If there was in lockdown, there would be no Dr. Motocs. Yeah.

Wow. Lockdown was massive for me. Like my socials went crazy. Inquiries went crazy. That's for a few reasons. People were sitting at home on furlough doing absolutely nothing. Yeah. It's got nothing better to do than sit on social media and look for people like me.

And everyone was rich. Everyone was rich. It was wild. Yeah. Everyone had all this like money. Like, what am I going to do with it? Yeah. They came and spent it with me.

That's one. But two, then the like the age of Zoom came. which means people are sat there looking at a screen all day of themselves so when I'm sat on a I'm sat on a Zoom call I am not looking at the other person I don't care I'm sat there looking at myself the whole time yeah quite pretty right and usually I're like God that eye is so wonky you know and people like I never knew this is what I looked like I never knew I had these wrinkles because the only time really you'd look at itself maybe in in the morning while you're doing your hair doing your makeup and then you might catch a glimpse of yourself in the bathroom once and then

at night before you go to bed if you're cleansing your face. Whereas now people are constantly looking at their face or constantly looking at other people's face and looking like what looks good on them. And I think that made people go crazy. So there was a huge spike and huge request for treatments at that time. Yeah. And another thing, these cameras are also distorting our faces. Horrendous. And the lighting is, if you If you haven't got the right lighting, those shadows are hell. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

So now I use a very big ring. I walk around with a little light. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah, not to throw you onto the bus, but sometimes you'll do a Zoom call in complete darkness. Oh, yeah. So I don't have to look at myself.

Hello. I know. Or like if I'm on face time with another person, I'll always make my screen the biggest. So it's more bright on my face. Love it. Oh, sorry. I'm an narcissist.

I love it. You do you. I feel like our generation, me especially we're obsessed with not looking tired and rather than getting like a full eight hours sleep um do you find people coming in trying to get injectables to not look like they've got burned out and i get that all the time they're like oh i don't really sleep very much so i look tired i'm like well i don't know why you're here just sleep it's free i can't give you that like do you want melatonin like yeah and it's um and yeah so people are obsessed about leaking tired

people are so concerned about their eye area yeah um which makes sense because that's the first thing i look at when I'm looking at you, right? Which really gives people a complex. So if you're not sleeping, have an injectable treatment is not going to change your life. No injectable treatment under the eye will change your life, unfortunately.

And that is my go-to phrase when people come to see me in clinic. I can't change your life with that. Just sleep and that will look better. There are things we can do, so we do like the salmon spam injections and like your exosomes and your micro-needling and your eye creams.

And yes, they will help a little bit. But nothing's going to give you what you naturally should be. doing as a human being, are you sleeping? You speak about reference pictures. Is there one common person that people tend to bring in? It's changed throughout the years. Yeah.

So we've had, there was the era of like Kim, King Kylie era when that was very, very in. Michelle Keegan, this is to be a massive one. And I get that. I'm on board with that because she is stunning. Yeah. And she's the reference I give to when women come in with their people. partners, usually the man's sitting there sulking because he doesn't want her to be in the chair and all that. And I would usually say to him, what do you think, Michelle Kagan? They'll be like,

oh my God, you're hot. And I'll be like, yeah, Michelle Kagan is filled head to toe. She's having everything. She's like, no, she's not. I'm like, well, she is. Yeah. So she's a fantastic reference. Michelle Kegan, Molly May, the new, new and improved Molly May, T's two Bay thing. And then now we moved on to the A-listers who we all know are having treatments, but haven't told us what it is. Pete Burns. R-I-V. So we've got like the Emma Stones. We've got the Anne Hathaway's.

We've got the Lindsay Lowhands. Yeah. And the older client is actually showing me Chris Jenner, which is super cool. But we all know what she's had done. She's had that incredible face. Yeah. Can we talk about it? Can we talk about that thing?

What entails of that? Because she must have sold something to the devil. She's done something. Do you know what? she's just seen someone who's a little bit fresh, a bit newer, got new ideas and probably been trained in a different way. Whereas before facelifts were very much pulling things tight, right? So we could all tell.

You don't have to be a surgeon to be able to tell. Like that the eye would be like a bit catty and pulled up. The cheek is overtort, the ear is slightly distorted because it's pulled back too much. Where she's gone to see someone who's done it differently where she's not, he didn't change her features at all. It still looks like Chris Jenner, but things are rather than tighter, just smoother.

And that's because the kind of face steps he's done is just in a slightly different plane and whatever magic he's doing, he's done it in a way where it doesn't distort anything. Nothing's tighter. Things are just firmer. Which looks incredible. Like I'm signing up by Niske.

I'm sure his weight list is massive, that guy. Is he the same person who did Lindsay Loham? I feel it could be, But she obviously, she hasn't said she's had a surgical procedure. Of course. Even with Emma Stone, we don't actually know if she's had one. But she's 37. Like, that's young to have a facelift, no?

People are having facelifts in their 30s. I'm seeing it so much more now because it's done in that different way where things are tighter. And people who have spoken to, because my, my initially, when I, when people told me all that, I was like, no, don't be ridiculous. Don't have a facelift a 30. but the kind of comments from people who were booking in for that were like I want to look my best now not when I'm 60 and I'm like do you know what I can get on board with that I want to be at my peak now

you're gonna have to do it again in 30 years well sign me up so I look good now and in 60 it's what actually like a facelift I'm imagining like they they scalpel your whole face and then just stretch it but that's clearly not that's what the old facelift were like so if you became a surgeon that's that's what you would do So it sounds slightly different now They're doing like deep pain A plain-based lift

Where they're actually changing and removing other parts So sometimes they'll remove like pieces and muscles And glands and fat To make sure everything's like repositioned in a different way I don't actually know exactly what happens But from what I'm aware of It's just done very differently Where things are repositioned rather than

tightened and pulled back Which is why people just look better But people. But people like Chris Jenna, like she's had the facelift, but she's also having injectable treatments, 100% guaranteed. She's doing her skincare. She's not having a little bit of filler here or there

to like cover little dips and hollows. She's having a Botox guaranteed every three months without question, I'm sure. So it's not like you have a facelift and you're done. Yeah. You've got to do maintenance to keep that. You've got to keep the skin firm. You've got to keep things lifted, things smoother. You've got to be using your retinal.

Gosh, last so much better. bathing in retinol that woman. It's much better when you're rich. Yeah, we'll get there. That facelift, I'm sure, was very expensive. I think it was like 150,000 I saw online. Probably more. I reckon he's charging around 300 now.

Wow. I'm saving up. Like a pound and day. Yeah. On the end of the year, you'll have it. Yeah, done. Just to finish on this section, we've mentioned about AI,

and obviously that's one of the things that's almost allowed us to see into the future of like what the ideal faces. Do you see people coming into your clinic that use like an AI person or a filter as a point of reference? They already are. They were doing it back when, when just, where we just had just face you where you could physically yourself alter your face.

They're like, I want to look like this. Hollywood five. Yeah, they'll put the Hollywood tribe on and be like, make me look like this. I'm like, you're deluded. But AI has taken it to another level because AI like in the last just like years doing incredible thing. It's changed my life. It's made my life so much easy. I'll just create anything I want it to do. So if it's just doing that and changed our life so much in terms of like work and things, I can't even imagine what it will do later on. But right now, I get people

who will take a picture on AI and say, what do I need. And it will tell you what you need. And if I'm totally honest, it's kind of right a lot of the time, which is scary. Sorry, what's the website? Yeah. Just chat GPT. Really? Well, that's doing it. It does it. Honestly, So you take a photo and it will tell you. And people come in there like, I think I need this, this, this. And I'm like, how do you know that? Because this is kind of correct. Because that's the kind of things that I would look for.

And I don't know how this AI has been trained to be able to do my job just without the injecting part. It is crazy. And I'm seeing that so much more. I had a photo literally yesterday. One of my clients sent me a photo saying, I want to look like this. I think I need cheek filler. And I was like, that's what cheat filler would do. So yeah, no, you are right.

but it's scary because then we're going to, I'm going to be presented with a lot of that and I don't know how I'm going to deal with that with the patient and what the right thing actually is to do. It is a little bit scary. They're almost like bypassing you and kind of like the therapist side of it. They're just booking in for the treatment. Yeah.

But they might not necessarily want it. Really. Yeah. That's just what they're told them. And that's, so what is doing is, so when I was saying earlier that I don't make a list about people's insecurity to give you insecurities, Jack GPT is going to be doing that fore.

you without doing the human side of being like stepping away like actually you shouldn't probably do this yeah because it will just do whatever you tell it to do it just follows a prompt which is scary Jesus and in terms of like on social media the difference between like AI filters and real cosmetic work can obviously I'm struggling I'm struggling I'm like is is that AI is that real like I'm really really struggling with that now whereas before when people a lot of people a lot of injectors edit their photos and the way I would know they would edit they won't edit their after photos

because that's what people look for they edit their before photo so they make the before look a lot worse so they'll bring the yeah really sneaky they'll bring the jawline really in and then their after photo would be like angled jawline but that's because they probably already had an angle jawline and you've slightly enhanced it

so when you look at the before and after you as a consumer wouldn't tell I would know because I'd be like I'll zoom into that before photo I'm like that's being edited but you wouldn't do that you'd zoom into the after photo and look for the edits. That should be illegal. That should be illegal.

I think that is illegal. Oh. People still do. Crime busted. Whereas with AI, I'm struggling. I really struggle. I'll see things. I'm like, I just know that's not possible.

Like, yeah. I'm good at my work, right? And I know that. And I'm like, I physically would never be able to achieve results like that. And is that because, like, I'm dated? I don't know. what I'm doing, like there's new things out there, or is this AI? And it's most likely AI, which is crazy.

And I just can't figure it out. My God. But if you don't know, how we're... West to wear a horse cruise. I suppose the only thing we can do is put it into AI and ask AI. Is this AI? I'm like AI on AI crime. Love that.

So you offer so many different treatments. Can you actually explain to me what some of them are because I have no clue when everything is. Tell me, which ones are you confused about? A lip flip. A lip flip. is one of my most common treatments actually, especially before a wedding.

It is Botox, which we just injected at the top of the lip. It takes about two seconds. And all it does is when you smile, the lip doesn't curl in as much. So you show a lot more of your own lips. So it doesn't add volume, doesn't make things puffier,

doesn't make things bigger, which is what people love about it. Yeah. It just shows off more of your own lip naturally. So when you, so some people, when they smile, their lip line goes in, yeah, I'll do that.

Yeah, we'll book you in. and all it does it just turns it out so you just show a lot more of your own natural lip oh my good I super subtle I thought you were like stitching the lip like that or something some people do and gummy smiles have you seen that creator either

she's just had something where she had a lip lift did she maybe a lip lift so she can cover a gummy yes yeah it's fascinating um jaw grinding Botox that is actually also very huge so a lot of people clench and grind their teeth

so they get pain so they get like like some people call like TMD pain. And when you clench and grind your teeth, it's a bit like if you go to a gym, the next day you're sore, right? If you're grinching and grind your teeth all night, every night, without even think about it, you can't control it.

Your muscle is going to be sore the next day. People get headaches that like spread up to the head, neck and down the side of their back. And it's quite debilitating, actually. It also means you'll wear away your teeth because if you're clenching and grind your teeth, you're going to get like super flat, chipped, broken teeth. So what we do,

is we relax that muscle, putting Botox into that muscle, paralyzed it so you physically can't clench it as much, which means basically you take it out of the gym. Once you take it out of the gym, the pain disappears because if you don't go to a gym, you're not going to be in pain. And it also changes the shape of your face. It actually slims it.

Is this massar to Botox? This is Massa to Botox. You'll see it all over TikTok. Yeah. And what it does, it relaxes the muscle. When it relaxes the muscle, the face shape changes. So everything slims down hugely.

it puts the whole jawline in a little bit. Especially on a female, they want to be slightly slimmer in the face. Whereas on a man, you probably wouldn't do that treatment because it's all in your face. Whereas on a man you want to be like big and masculine. Not everyone, but that's generalisation. The next one is gummy smile correction. Yes. So again, that's...

Just looking at my sleep. Do you need that one as well? No, no. So some people, when they smile, they have a really, really high smile. line they show loads of their gun. Beyonce was one, but I think she's been having gummy smart Botox. But back in the day, if you have a look, some of her photos, when she smiled, her smile went up super, super high.

So what you can do, you relax the muscle that pulls the smile up, so you show a lot less of your gums, which... So is this on your mouth or on your gum? No, it's injected actually by the side of your nose, believe it or not, because that's where the muscle attaches. That's like where the muscle passes through, so you can inject it whilst passing through towards the lip. Very misleading.

Yeah, yeah. I do that. When people come in, they're like, wait, you're going to inject away. I'm like, by the side of your nose. They're like, but it's my gum. I'm like, you just sit back. Yeah. Nostril flaring.

Yeah, so that one is a niche one. Yeah. So some people just like when they're talking to people, they like flare their nostrils all the time. Like I just did that. And they don't like that. And if you don't like that, that's fine. We relax the muscle and it just stops you flaring your nostrils.

But yeah, very niche. That's an niche. Okay, and then nose tip movements. Is that around the same thing? It's very similar, again, extremely niche. So there's a muscle that goes from the top of your, tip of your nose down to the base of your teeth. And some people, that muscle's just strong.

And because it's strong, it pulls down when you're talking and smiling. So putting Botox to that muscle, relaxes it and stops it moving. I had no idea that was a thing. I've never looked at the tip of someone's nose. There's so many, like, weird little niche things that you can use these treatments for. Yeah. Which is super exciting, super fun. But it depends on what someone's hang up is, which is usually something ridiculous.

Like, why are you concerned about your nostrils for Larry? Yeah. Like, it's crazy. It's because someone would have pointed it out at some point and now it's in your head. Sure they've got bigger fish to fly. Yeah, exactly. What's your like favorite, like your personal favorite? My personal favorite treatment to do is always a nose treatment.

Where like we straighten humps and bumps and bumps and lift the tip of the nose because that seems to be a massive thing for people just like emotionally. They would have been bullied about their nose. made a comment they sit in photos all the time so that's the one that I get like if someone's gonna cry in my chair it's usually after I've done their nose that's like the one that I'm like okay that was quite nice way less invasive I guess as well than having a whole nose job yeah it's she takes five minutes if that not even that I can probably do it about two minutes and all of a sudden your nose is straight and straight and lifted and don't get me wrong not everyone's suitable if you've got

like quite large nose there's like there's limits yeah of I can do but if you've got like a little hump and bump or the nose moves goes to one side I can do like a little bit of contouring basically to make it look straighter. And that is, that goes down a treat. Gosh, God.

We've got some beauty treatment myths. Go on. If you'd be down to quick fire, debunk or confirm. First one, do you want to do that one do? Straight men don't get Botox. Lies.

Straight men don't get Botox as much as women, but they definitely do to get Botox. And I can guarantee you every single time this happens. Someone will come in, with their boyfriend, their partner, whatever, she'll be having her treatment done, he'll be sitting down watching. I can guarantee you a few weeks later,

he's in my chair. And you know what happens now is when they break up, they come and see me separately, which I love. Love that, get the tea as well. Is preventative Botox real? Yes and no. So if you don't have static lines, which means if you don't have lines

when you're just sitting there doing nothing, there's no line on your face. If you have Botox, yes, it will prevent it. but also if you start it later it will make absolutely no change so you don't need to have it that early on at all the time it becomes preventative is if you're sat down look in the mirror not moving your face and there's like lines starting to creep in that is preventative that i can reverse and prevent it getting worse if you start a lot earlier you'll be no better off than that person who has just started it when the lines are starting the problem is people are having it younger and

younger because it just makes your skin look smooth, flawless and your makeup sits flawlessly on your skin. Hence before weddings, everyone wants their makeup to sit flawlessly and that really is a game changer for how your makeup sits. I'm sorry. Once you start Botox, your face will collapse if it stops. That's like the biggest myth I've heard because you're never in a worse position from having Botox. What we've done is like for three-month period, we've stopped those lines etching into your skin. So you're always, like you've got that three months on your,

just like banked away, basically. And don't get me right, if you have too much of it, the muscle can waste away. If your muscle waste away, things can collapse. But that's like if you're having it too often, too much, if you're constantly frozen. But if you're sensible with it, then you're always better off.

So you can have it done once and you've been better off. But I would say that as well, wouldn't I? Yeah. That's crazy. This one's quite crazy. Villas migrate to other parts of your face and a girl did a TikTok where she said, I can feel my nose filler somewhere behind my eye sockets. I did see that's TikTok and that is, it's just impossible.

Like things can't move like that in your body or in your face. It's just just, it's not like it's a whole porous thing. That way it can move to the back of your eye through your bone, through your muscle, through your ligaments. That's not how it works. however, filler does not dissolve. Everyone always thinks filler dissolves over time. And a lot of it does, but there's a little stubborn layer, in my opinion, never goes.

And I think that's what people don't know when they have treatments. And when they come to see me, I always tell them before they leave, before I inject, not before they leave. That there will always be a little layer there forever more. And the only way to remove that layer is by injecting it. Now, if you have too much filler put in the same place, it can like push it out slightly because the new bit goes in the middle, the others get pushed out, like lips. So, example, you see people sometimes really puffy lips.

That's because the old filler has been pushed out slightly. The new filler goes where it is. And then you just build up those layers, which means it just never goes. But no, it doesn't move in terms of just like... Dotting around your body. That's not what's happening. Next one is injectable, stretch your skin permanently. It can do.

it's a bit, so the way I explain that to people is about if you put a little bit of weight on and lose that weight, you're not going to get stretch marks, your skin just goes back to normal and everything's like right and tight. But if you have, if you put loads of weight on, overstretched the skin and get stretch marks when you lose the weight, you have saggy skin. Exactly the same with injectables. So if you have like huge amounts of lip filler, the skin will stretch and when you take the filler out, it will be a little bit saggy. But if you're within normal limits, that's not going to happen. So if you're having like one or two mil here or they're absolutely fine, it's like putting weight on and losing weight. But as soon as it becomes

obvious that you've had for that things are stretched, then yes, that can happen. Interesting. Well, I'm glad I got this question because it was mine. Are jowls genetic? And if you get cosmetic or injectable procedures, will it actually transform your jawline? This seems to be huge at the moment. And I don't know why. I'm seeing so many people come and ask me about jails. I think it's the master Botox talk because they're like if you do it if it I don't know if it goes wrong then you get jowls well let me depunk that me and so jowls are hugely genetic so some people just won't get them because it just doesn't run in their family um whereas a lot of people will because it will eventually come and that comes from the skin changing the fat changing things becoming heavier you losing volume

in certain areas now some ascetic treatments can give you jowls so for example master Botox can give you jails if you have too much of it. Too much of anything will over-paralyze the muscle. So if you put too much botox into that, it paralyzes too much so it thins out huge amounts, which means the skin that is slightly further back drops down. So for example, for my clients in my clinic for Master Botox, I've got a rule. You're not allowed to have it done more than twice a year. If you stick to that rule, you will not get jails.

Right. If you get jowls, it's because you're aging. Like some people come to me there, they've been having like master Botox for like 10 years. they're like I'm getting jowls. I'm like, yeah, because we're 10 years down the line. Like, come on. That's not the master bowels. That's just 10 years of aging.

Yeah. What are jowls? Like, what I've got now, basically. You don't have jowls. I can hate my jowls. Yeah. On this camera, the angle, I do have jails. It's like, it's the, so the heaviness here.

Oh. Oh, I thought it was here. Well, the whole thing connects together. Oh, yeah. Confirmed. So heaviness all the way down here, that's because the, we've got a fat pad here, which becomes a bit looser. Right.

And if your chin is a little bit set back, this looks even heavier. Because you always say of jails and I don't know what you're talking about. Oh, yeah, me and Rosie obsessed with jowl talk. Jail talk. You couldn't say you've got jowls. Yeah, really. Good. I'll take that from you.

Do you want you that song? No, we've kind of covered that one, but what skincare beauty products do you believe aren't worth it? Oh, great question. So some of the very expensive skincare brands, that you see where it's like hundreds of pounds for like this cream and like for example Chanel do some creams which I'm sure I love it in hydrating but they're not life changing at all so those like super expensive stuff they're not going to do much for you you want to stick to a brand which is like science backed and they've got people behind it which support the science

rather than people behind it which are just pushing products down your throat to give you like hydration. So don't be fooled by the marketing. So some of the ones I would, I personally would trust are Medicaid, always, fantastic products. La Roche, again, beautiful science. Sarah V. Incredible science behind it.

So these big brands, even some of the products from the ordinary, they've got some really cheap products, but they're actually quite good because they're like science-backed. So you don't have to spend huge amounts of money on skincare or non-being. beauty stuff so that's just something to be careful with don't be hoodwinked by these like just because it's expensive is better yeah it actually probably isn't I personally wouldn't wouldn't buy that a lot of those creams I wouldn't put on my face that and then devices everyone's making devices nowadays most of them are a load of rubbish like I went to primark the other day and um they had they had an LED light and it was like two or three quid for an LED light and I was like what is it's it's literally

fairy lights in I'm holding fairy lights on my face ridiculous and LED masks I love I think they're fantastic everyone should be using them but you've got to use the correct ones the ones that are science backed and doing the things that they should be doing for your skin so you shouldn't be using your prime mark LED

LED light let's shut up get your shark LED light and that will transform your skin I know I love when people do like um you know what the things in the supermarket's the red light on the yeah yeah ridiculous Yeah, silly. But great for viewing. Great when I'm at 2 a.m.

Absolutely. Does edible collagen work? Yes. Really? I don't know. Oh. Yeah. So collagen is fantastic if you use the right one.

Everyone's making collagen nowadays. Everyone's packaging it up and making it look nice. A load of it is a load of rubbish. So collagen is quite a big molecule, right? If you take actual collagen, your body can't absorb it. will literally just go straight through you, come out of the other side. Oh. So you've got to take a type of collagen that has been broken down,

like chopped up into little pieces so your body can actually physically absorb it. And when it absorbs it, then it can use it to make collagen. However, you also need to be doing treatments for your body to need the collagen. It's a bit like if you don't go to a gym and just start taking protein shakes, you're not going to bulk up. You're not going to have abs. But if you go to the gym and take protein shakes, That's going to work.

Same with collagen. If you're going to have treatments, even just using vitamin C, just using retinal, your body's trying to make collagen. So if you feed it collagen, it has the collagen available for it to build those blocks. Interesting. So things like retinal, vitamin C, micro-needling, those kind of things are trying to make your body produce collagen. So if you're doing any of those, you should be taking collagen. Most collagen is a load of rubbish on the market, especially if it tastes nice.

Collagen, when it's broken down, tastes horrible. It's really bitter. So most of the companies will put little flavorings in them to try and make them taste nice. It tastes okay. So I take it every single morning with a little bit orange juice, shot it, it's gone, it's done. So one of the brands that I love, the only brand really that I've seen that actually make a proper collagen is one called like Luna and Solis. They're very small company, but they make a fantastic collagen. All my clients are on that collagen daily basis.

You just take it every day. I'm going to make a new. Write that down. Luna and size, W-N-A-S-O-L-I-F. What is snail me, It's one of those things where it's just kind of like a bit of a trend on TikTok. But it is. I think there must be like factory or something where they have like all these snails.

I'm sure I looked at one point. It's abusive, I'm sure. It's real snail mucus. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's actually snail meekers. And that is obviously like super gloopy, super hydrating. So when you put onto your skin, it just looks super shiny. Of course.

Yeah. Is it actually doing anything? Probably not. What about a guasha? Gwasha fantastic. Actually, I know. wash her I do recommend to people. I know it looks like a bit of a fad,

but it's not. What it does, it depuffs. So it takes the water retention out of your face. Yeah. So everything looks sculpted. Like Kendall Jenner actually did a little, a little video of it for Vogue,

where she sculpted in her face and everything looks lifted. And that would actually work, but not long term. It would work for like a couple of hours. So like if you're out and about, going to an event, you would wash your face, you would look sculpted and lifted.

Yeah. And you can get some of those, there's some like devices now. you can get that go like super cold that you can use on your face um which is like they're inspired by a guasha um and that can cause loads of lifting and just make you look sculpted lifted and fresh for the rest of the day especially under the eyes under eyes of what looks super puffy yeah so if you use one of those devices it just takes all the water retention out and things look smoother for the like the rest of the day you'll wake up in the morning so it'll be puffy but then you just got to do it

so that's a bit like makeup on it only lasts for a couple of hours it's not going to change exactly you just do it as part of your routine before you do you do it as part of your routine before you do your makeup so um you just put like some sort of like haloronic acid serum on use that device all the way around you'd be sculpted put your makeup on ready for the day skincare that's got gold on it is it a fad obviously it is obviously a fad and i think everyone knows that deep down um because what is that doing like gold your body your body can't absorb gold that's that's really fake tan is no apart from billy no one's our skins absorbs gold um so it's not going to do anything right it can like if it's put like an exfoliator it can like help exfoliate and like roughly remove the top

surface layer of the skin but why would you use gold when you can use something a lot cheaper basically sound pommelstone yeah pamelstone exactly like um yeah ridiculous god it's just making things expensive just to make it look a bit more luxurious yeah okay well obsessed with that to um to um to wrap up the conversation what do you think i mean the the the culture of beauty has changed so much even just in the last five years, what do you think it will look like in the next 10? Honestly, I don't know because if you asked me this five years ago, I would have told you a complete different answer.

I'd be like everyone have like huge lips and big hair and then it just, it's all constantly changing and we're constantly seemed to going back to like different times within within the last couple of like 30, 40 years. Yeah. But I think natural is very, very in. AI is definitely going to change how we look at things, how we perceive each other and what kind of treatments that we do.

And I think even I will be led a little bit by like what AI is telling me and what kind of things I'll be doing. But it'll be very much clean gal aesthetics. Skin is going to be huge. I think the innovations that are happening within skin, skin care and the kind of things that we're actually discovering are incredible. And some of the big companies are doing so much research into these things where I think skincare is going to really, really beware.

most of the things are happening because I think we can probably achieve a lot more than what we're achieving now. Do you think it will change how you do like Botox and things like that? I think so yeah. Like a robot assistant. Hopefully that'd be great.

Should we have a job. Social media, gone. I think it were, I think we'll probably get new products out as well in terms of like Botox might, something new might come out that might rival it. That's interesting. Which will be super exciting.

And then by the time we can afford it. It'll be old news. Or imagine people doing it at home themselves. Hopefully we don't get to that point. Let's not get that. Yeah, sorry. Let's not manifest that one. I need a job on you. That was an amazing conversation.

Thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me. Obsessed. Give it up for Dr. Moe everybody. And where can everyone find you on your socials as well? Socials at Dr. Mottox, TikTok, Instagram. YouTube, that's a new one.

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