Tea at Four - I'm A Botox Doctor - The Truth Behind Celebrity Botox and Ozempic Face

Episode Date: February 26, 2026

Why are celebrities suddenly looking "natural" again, and what exactly is "Ozempic Face"? We’re joined by London’s top aesthetic doctor, Dr. Motox, to spill the tea on celebrity filler secrets, the dangers of backstreet procedures like penile filler, and the skincare that actually works. In this episode of Tea At Four, Lauren and Billy sit down with Dr. Mo (Dr. Motox) for an unfiltered look into the world of cosmetic procedures in 2026. From debunking the myth that filler "dissolves" to revealing the truth behind Kylie Jenner’s Golden Globes look and Molly-Mae’s lip transformation, no topic is off-limits.We dive deep into:The "Clean Girl" Aesthetic: Why celebrities are lying about being "natural."Ozempic & Weight Loss Jabs: How rapid weight loss is changing the face of beauty.The Risks: From blindness to lip necrosis - what your injector isn’t telling you.Taboo Procedures: The wild reality of penis filler and why Dr. Moe refuses to do it.The Prescription: The exact skincare brands (Medik8, Sarah V, La Roche-Posay) that actually produce results.👇Follow Dr. Mo👇❤️ https://www.instagram.com/dr.motox/?h...⭐️ https://www.tiktok.com/@dr.motox?lang=en

People like Kylie, like the Molly Mays, who claim everything's been dissolved. It's not, we know what you look like naturally. Are millennials choosing Botox over mortgages? Potentially, yes. Straight men don't get Botox. Lies occasionally, you request for penis filler. Is that a thing? Hi guys, welcome back to T-It-4.

I'm Lauren. And I'm Billy, and this is the podcast where we talk all things that normally stay in the group chat. Today, we have a very special and iconic guest and friend, Dr. Mottox. Woo! Welcome, Moe. Thanks for having me. Thank you for coming on. We've been trying to do this at ages, so fine, you got it in the diary.

If you could tell our listeners who you are, what you do, and what makes you so special. Maybe you can tell them what's so special. But no, I'm Dr. Moe, also known as Dr. Mottox, pun intended there. And I have a clinic in London where I carry out loads of non-surgical treatments on everyone and anyone that you all know and not know. So that's quite a high, you have quite a high list of celebrities that come to you, don't you? I do. A lot of them I can't obviously tell you about on screen. Maybe off screen, we have a chat later.

But yes, a loads of celebrities, reality stars and all that kind of stuff. Just off the bat and we were having a conversation about this. Billy isn't really in this world, but I'm quite, you know. You're in. I'm quite well-burst with the world of cosmetic procedures. What would you say in 2026 is like the most popular thing people come to you for at the moment? The trends are changing massively and right now everyone's looking so good but so natural. So everyone thinks people aren't having treatments done but they are. Everyone's having all the

treatments done. But things are just changing in the way we're injecting. So everything we are doing now is making your own body heal and regenerate itself. So the kind of treatments that we're doing are a lot more natural and a lot more subtle but super super effective. So you'll see like the the Kylie Jenner's at the moment, the Emma Stones at the moment, Anne Hathaway, the Lindsay Low Hands, they all look incredible. Everyone's talking about how incredible they look now. But that's because the treatments they're having done are regenerative. So the kind of things I mean by that are like exosone, PDRN, stem cells, all these things that the general public don't actually understand what they do.

But it's all... So, to claim, what are these treatments? What is even that? Is it? No one actually really understands it that much. And sometimes even I, it takes me a while to actually get on board with these things. So I'm like, what, what do these words actually mean? But all these things, they're injected into the skin and they make yourselves try and like communicate a little bit better with each other. Wow.

So then it might stimulate to produce loads of collagen. So collagen acts like a scaffold and it literally holds the skin up like a scaffold. And as time goes on, those scaffolds drop from like sun damage, smoking, vaping, all that kind of stuff. I know. You got no chance. but these injectable things stimulate your body to produce those kind of things like collagen therefore holds the skin up a bit better helps you produce a hyalronic acid which gives your skin hydration and makes you glow and shine so that's the route we're going down and that's going to be

massive this year because I think some of those huge ailer celebs that are looking good are going to start slowly leaking the secrets of the treatments they're having done which are those like leaking stuff out their face. Yeah. I think there was a stage where people were literally leaking stuff out their face. Right. We remember Kylie Jenner back in, was it 2016 Kylie Jenner? King Kylie.

King Kylie. I loved her then and I love her now. No hate to her. I thought she looked great then and her now. But people were literally leaking Philip because they thought that's what looked good and that's what gave people status is being full and being able to afford those things. Whereas now it's changed to becoming.

People are still talking about it, but they are having it done in a completely different way. Like, because we were talking as well, because like you said earlier, that like Kylie, Jen, for example, at the Golden Globes, everyone's like, oh, she's had her lips dissolved. She looks so much better. But people assume that she's had, like, all of her cosmetic treatment basically erased, but that's not the case. That's a load of rubbish. And those people like Kylie, like the Molly Mays, who claim everything's been dissolved and that's just a natural look. It's not. We know what you look like naturally.

we've seen it. That's not what you look like. And so these people are having those overdone treatments taken out for sure, but it's all being restarted again. I can guarantee Kylie Jenner has a face full of filler, exosones, all those kind of things. She's having it done, but she's just having it done very, very, very well now.

She's seeing someone who really knows what they're doing, someone like me. That almost seems like sneakier though, because like when you could see someone's head of work done before, people could then kind of make their own judgments and be like, oh, well, you know, I don't necessarily need that. But now I guess, I don't know, it's like the everyday person might be looking at that,

being like, oh, my God, they're so naturally beautiful. But actually, they've got all these hidden secrets and they're comparing themselves. Yeah. And it's a difficult scenario to be in because she can do what she wants. It's none of our business. And who are we to judge and even talk about it sometimes, you know? But they're also in the limelight.

And if you're going to tell me you're natural, don't lie to me just I'd rather you not address it it's like Kendall the other day she came out and was like I've had no work done I'm like Kendall right can you tell yeah she looks fantastic she looks incredible she's beautiful but again I just think just just own it yes you have had tweaks done she hasn't gone through like the Kylie

stage she hasn't gone through like the King Kylie King Kendall stage of looking done and she's always kept it natural which is why she gets away with it a little bit more. But of course she's had treatments. We've also we've seen that nose. We've that brow lift like she looks sensational. Her lip has doubled in size. And that doesn't happen just from maturing actually with maturing you lose your lip. You don't gain the lip. Yeah. In those circles as well we see it like, Haley Bieber's obviously got the road skincare line and she attributes this perfect skin to like her cleanser to her fucking glazing

milk. But actually she then goes on the podcast and says well you know I have my own blood injected into my face. Yeah. Which is, which is an incredible treatment. And that's why her skin will be glowing. Yeah. I'm sure her products are amazing.

We love Haley. We love her. She is what she is. She will see this. Love it. We'll do some promo for you. But she's also having those treatments. She's having her PRP plus a million and other things while she's in the clinic.

Yeah. So what are these treatments? What's blood injecting? Well, so what happens with that is you, you like we'll take your blood we'll spin it so we'll get all of the bits that we don't actually want or like the red blood cells and all that kind of stuff are we need for life but we don't need it for beauty so we'll get rid of it we take the golden portion out so when you separate the blood there's this golden portion which has all the nutrients it's got all your plasma

all your healing cells all the exosomes so those things that we are injecting back into your skin you've naturally got that stuff so we can extract it take all the healing parts out and then concentrate it in an area and you can inject it it anywhere. So obviously most people is their like their face, their neck, their hands. So if we inject it directly into those areas, it's going to work specifically in those areas. And it's going to cause regeneration, make you glow and you shine. And you, in the clinic, you look absolutely crazy, obviously, because we're just taking your blood and injected it all over your face. And that's, that's called like the vampire facial. Right. I've heard that. So I think

Kim made that massive back in the day, I think she posted a picture of herself blood all over her face and everyone was like, what is going on? Yeah. But that's what. that is. So you're just taking all the goodness and putting it back in a concentrated area. Which Haley, and I think Kendall said she has having that done actually as well. Yeah. You say there's like a massive trend then in rejuvenation in like layman's terms. Do you think everyone's just scared of aging? Yes. And I think that comes from social media. Yeah. Like when I was in school, social media wasn't really a huge thing. The biggest thing we had was maybe Bebo and Myspace and you had those horrible, grainy photos. But now we've got

such high quality photos. We've got editing. We've got AI. So everybody constantly looks flawless. And obviously you want to look like that as well. Most of it is not real. The lighting, like we know what lighting can do. I know what makeup can do. So it becomes a bit unachievable. But people then compare themselves to that standard and want to get to that standard, which is scary because it's not actually possible to get to that standard. But people want to do whatever they can to slow aging down and look the best they possibly can. Yeah. Which I'm here for.

Yeah. But I think we just need to know what our limits are. Yeah, 100%. I was going to ask, I feel like a few years ago from people like Molly May, there was quite a trend in people dissolving their fillers. Yes. Did you see a dip in business or did you see, you know, more of an interest in people wanting to look more natural and still getting the fillers?

I just saw a huge rise. business at that time because everyone was coming in to have their filler dissolved. Oh yeah, of course. So I spent the whole, the whole time just dissolving everyone's filler, which was, yeah, wild, crazy. But it needed to be done, actually. I think we needed to go through our stage. I think Molly May started that trend. And then I did Fay Winter's lips because when she was in Love Island way back in the day, she had those huge lips with like the brown lip liner, which just really accentuated it. So when she came out, I dissolved her lips and and they redid them and that was a huge moment within the industry actually itself that that alongside

the molly may made dissolving a huge thing where everyone was like actually we can have natural results but again like fei winter was fantastic because she owned up to having dissolved and they're just redone properly yeah which is what everyone else is doing but then someone like molly may isn't talking about it she's saying she just had it all dissolved and taken off and that's just how she looks like again we've seen all the photos from back in the day moni may's chin for example is very very setback she doesn't really have a chin and now all of a sudden she's grown a chin and that's that's because of filler but no so i've definitely seen a rise it definitely drops and like goes up and down in terms of trends but there's always an upward like inclined in terms of people wanting

treatments whether that's dissolving filling or bringing in new treatments do you ever have people come in and have these crazy requests and you're like, I'm not going to do that. All the time. What's the craziest? There was one girl who came in who asked to look like Pete Burns. That was a lot. Requested.

Requested. And she never had worked out. She was like this young girl, it's beautiful, beautiful young girl. But her look was just, she was like, I love Pete Burns. Don't want like him? And I was like, great. We're not going to do that. Thank you.

Oh my gosh. Not here. But sometimes those things, it's about coaching the person. If you want to look crazy and out of this world, that's fine. Who am I to judge? It does none of my business. As long as it's done safely. For example, I'll have some drag queens who'll come in who want like the highest

cheekbones you've ever seen, like super, super lifted, like sharp angles because the makeup just sits differently. And if we have that conversation and we're, and they're like, I know this doesn't look natural. I know this isn't what a normal person have, but I want this for whatever reason. I'm like, fine, you understand that this isn't normal, that this isn't natural. You know the risks of having this done. Fine. In that case, we can do it. But if someone comes in and it's like, I want to look like this person and they don't know that that's not normal, that's where the concerns come. That's when I'm like, let's step back a bit. Yeah. We shouldn't be, we shouldn't

be doing this. You have to act as therapist as well as. Oh, honestly, my chair's therapy. I know everyone's gossip. I know who's breaking up with who, who's cheating on who. I love it. Oh my God. It's my favourite part of my job. You should get like a Perez Hilton gossip colour. Can I imagine?

I probably get cancelled. Yeah. Let's not do that. A source close to the... Yeah. Also, the other wild ones I get is occasionally request for penis filler, which is... Is that a thing?

That is a thing. Is it called Fallow Phil? No, but it should be. Oh, why do I know that? I don't know. Maybe it is. I don't offer it so I don't know. I'm on the dark web.

Oh, okay. What does it do? So the idea is it adds Guth. Caroline would love. I'm sorry. I'm sure Caroline can find some guys who've had that done. But no, so I don't provide that treatment. But you can have it injected to add Guth to P.

penis which to me is wild like are it's such a dangerous treatment and I don't I've never seen like a medically qualified person offer that treatment the only time I've seen it is like backstreet kind of people yeah shouldn't really be doing it and if you are having your penis injected please don't go to a back street person because that is absolutely crazy I mean this might be a really dumb question what is it about the procedure that makes it so dangerous it's such sensitive area. Things can go wrong super, super easy. The amount of nerves and blood vessels in those areas,

if that is damaged, you're screwed. So you want to, if someone is injecting around there, you want to get someone who like really knows the anatomy of that area. And that won't be some, someone in the back of the kitchen. Down this road. Yeah, down those roads. What is the most dangerous treatment you can get?

Everything is dangerous. All, every single, treatment, I'd say has risks associated with it. Some of the riskiest ones are probably the ones that you're not told are risky. For example, lip filler is super, super risky. If you, like a little bit of filler goes into one of the blood vessels of the lip, it can block it. If it blocks it, the skin will die and your lip will fall off.

But there's a big bad. If it's done safely by someone who knows the anatomy and someone who knows how to reverse things where complications are happening, that just will not happen. So everyone always thinks that lit-filler safe, but lit-fut-fut-fil-it, in my opinion, it's probably like one of the most unsafe places to inject. Other places are if you put fillet into frown lines. So people have some really deep frown lines. So normally I'd reduce that with Botox.

But if you put fillet into that area, there's a huge blood vessel that just runs up there. So if any of the filler gets into that, you will go blind. which is just not all we need so I don't actually provide that treatment just because the risk of blindness is just not for me I'm not here for that is this a stupid question what's the difference between Botox and filler

great question actually so Botox relaxes muscles so it paralyzes muscles and we can use that to stop the skin creasing so everything just looks a lot smoother so that's where like people upper part of their face just looks smooth because the skin has not been creased all the time we can also use it for medical purposes

but for aesthetic purposes is to stop the skin being creased all the time so everything looks smoother. Whereas filler, we're adding volume. So we're either making like the lips bigger changing the shape of your face, replacing volume if you've lost volume if you're old or lost lots of weight. So that's the difference is the filler's like a gel that kind of stays there. Botox just relaxes muscles for like a couple of months and then disappears. So that's why people get Botox in their armpits to stop them from swelling because it's...

From sweating, yeah. Not swelling. That's a you problem. Don't you do that? Yeah. Yeah, so Botox, so that's like one of the medical users of Botox is underarm sweating. Honestly, it's my favorite treatment to have done because I'm a sway boy. Really?

Not anymore because obviously I've dealt with the issue. But Botox, as well as paralyzing muscle, it paralyzes glands, sweat glands in particular, which means your sweat glands just can't produce sweat. And because it can't produce sweat, you don't have sweat patches. So I do it for loads of men, have that treatment. And women, especially before they were doing, massive, before the wedding because no one wants a sweaty dress. This might be a myth. Sorry, I'm not letting you speak at all.

That's okay. Does the sweat not go somewhere else? No, this is the biggest myth about sweating. That's in our myth-busting section, Billy. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, we'll come back for that then. Stay tuned. Stay tuned, stay tuned. I have to ask something of you.

It obviously seems like there's like an endless list of, you know, procedures and aesthetic treatments you can get. There was like a running stat on Brussels that said that millennials can't afford houses, so they're investing in their faces instead. Are millennials choosing Botox over mortgages? Potentially, yes. No, I think it's just very, very different. But yes, I treat loads of millennials for their Botox.

People do see their skin and their face as a long-term investment. And I think that's kind of like their mind frame is actually, as well as me putting money towards my house and trying to get mortgage, I'm also investing in myself to make myself look and feel better. which is very understandable. But also the society living, especially like we live in London and its house prices here are absolutely ridiculous. So the kind of comments I get from people about that are like,

I'm never going to get on the ladder. So I might as well spend my money on my face. And I'm like... Yeah, it seems like especially this industry is a bit unaffected by the cost of living crisis. Do you know what? Anytime anything's happened, anytime there's been like a crash, the financial crash, COVID, all that kind of stuff.

I have never been affected. because aesthetic treatments and beauty and things that make you look and feel good seems to be very high on people's like essential. So I think people have like an essential and like a desirable list. And that essentialist beauty seems to be extremely high. After like maybe food and energy, I think it's food. Even food. Food's not even a thing anymore because everyone's jabbing.

Yeah. Can you see like is there a difference between like Gen Z and millennials? Is there any trends or like do millennials do more treatments or is it equal? I find the younger ones I find actually are having less treatments. Because I think the clean girl aesthetic seems to be very, very big. And the clean girl aesthetics comes with like minimal treatments, I think. And it's just looking very, very natural. Yeah.

Whereas the slightly older crowd are used to or were in an era where they're the people that they looked up to were filled and did look like they had loads of treatments. So they're definitely a lot more having a lot more treatments. But then that also the difference in ages means that something they need it less as well. So they will probably be converted to more exciting treatments. Yeah. But I feel that they're spending more than money on skincare products and like facials and all that kind of thing, which is what people should be doing actually.

I don't think you should be jumping straight to have an injectables at all. I think you can achieve a lot more doing what you're doing at home. But the problem is people want like quick fast results. And unfortunately I can give you quick fast results. What's like the best at home treatments you can do? So a few things. Number one is a skincare program. You need to be on a fantastic skincare program.

That will keep you looking younger and fresher for longer. And it will make you requiring Botox a lot later because the skin is just more hydrated. That's number one. Number two is. What's a water program? honestly super super easy a easy skincare program that everyone can stick to is in the morning a vitamin C and a sunscreen I do that right stunning at night is a retinal I do that wonderful and those two things vitamin C and retinoles are the two things that are really doing something to your skin they're making

it produce collagen they're hydrating they're increasing the skin turnover which means you've got like new fresh baby skin coming through a lot quicker but those two products come on a really range of strength from very, very weak to extremely strong to like prescription level strong. Yeah. Now, when people first start, I'm like, just start low and then work your way up. Because if you start high, you'll hate it because your skin will literally just fall off. So you start really low and work your way up. And the higher you go, the smoother things look, especially retinal. Retinal is so, so important. But people have like a love, hate relationship with it because they use like brands which are like too strong or too aggressive. And then they think

they're allergic when you are not allergic to retic. I can pretty much guarantee that. So if you use a good quality, a great brand that has a really high number of strengths in their system, then you can start low and work your way, way up. Like the one that I always sell my client's by it is Medicaid. Medicaid do the best retinol. I'm going to try it right now. The crystal retinal, honestly, there is nothing better on the market. I'm yet to see something that's better on the market.

What's the price range of that? Maybe you can Google that. Oh, no. Sorry. It's coming up to my head right now. I think the starting one is like 30 quaid or something. I can do that. You can do that.

I can do that. Just that's like, what, two coffees in London? True. Skip two coffees. You have young people. One pint. Yeah, exactly. One pint, two coffees.

You mentioned the weight loss jabs. Yes. And I'm seeing, especially online, a big trend of people now wanting to reverse their hollower faces from like the rapid weight loss. Have you seen puffing up as the new beauty trend? Massively, yes. huge so everyone is jabbing and like when people first come into my clinic they are filling out a little form and i'd say most people it says mondrero or whatever other companies in the zanpeak etc um

most people are are on it and out and we know that and we see that all day long and it does incredible things like i i love it i'm a huge advocate for it i think in terms of like general health benefits it's doing masses for people um you don't really see bigger people out and out and about in london i'm I'm saying that all the time. Like I sit on a train and there just isn't because everyone's jabbing. Which is fine, great in terms of health benefits. But I think sometimes people are taking it a little bit too far because I don't think

you see yourself in that way and they'll just think the skinnier, the better. But what happens is yes, you will lose fat everywhere, including your face. The only place that doesn't look good with huge fat loss is your face. Because we've got big fat pads all over our face, which holds things together and gives everything structure. Now, when you lose weight, you can't control where you lose that from. And inevitably, unfortunately, you lose it from areas that you don't really want to lose it from,

including your cheeks here. So this area here, we have the biggest fat pad in our face is in the mid part of the cheek, the front part of the cheek. So when people lose weight, that sinks back, which means all this skin that is held up really nice and high, all of a sudden hasn't got any support and it's dropped down. and it's hollowed, which doesn't look that aesthetic. It ages you. With aging, we naturally lose that fat pad, which that's what gives older people

hollowness in this area, or one of the reasons anyway. So now I'm seeing a huge trend in people who've lost looks or weight and coming in now to have treatments to replace some of that volume, which I can do. It will never look like your own natural fat ever that I can't. I can't do that because that's in a completely different plane of your face. But I can do a little bit of damage control and I can do a little bit of replacement. So we do huge amounts of that where we replace the areas you naturally loose fat in, which is most commonly front part of the cheek, back of the jaw,

and then the area just in front of the jaw, because otherwise you just look really heavy and jowly. And that's what you, that's what we're saying nowadays. And what happens when you, or if you game the weight back? It will come back just like any other place in your body. You mean on top of the treatments? Yeah. So what you might have to have done is actually have the, if you're going all that back, then yeah, it might be a bit too puffy.

So you might actually have the treatments that I'm doing reversed. embarrassing. Yeah. I'm going to sudden that's out there. I picture. That's a raven which has one. I do I? Mushrooms.

We're a generation that's obsessed with glowups, that's, whether that's a glow up after like a breakup or after a big life event and something that we want to have to make us feel good. Do you see a lot of your clients coming in after that kind of? Yeah, and before I was in this industry, I didn't really understand the glow-up thing. But now I can tell you when people having glow-up. So I know the exact timeframes of where everyone's having glow-up. So the first one is, as soon as people hit the age of 30, 29 people are coming to see me. They are losing their minds at 29. Sorry, guys.

And I don't know what happens. I think the number 30 just makes people go crazy. Yeah. And I don't get it. And like, guys, it's just a number. It's not that serious. Yeah. But people do think their life is ending and they think they're like, right, I'm 30 now.

What are we doing? I'm like, not a lot. Like nothing's changing overnight. Breakups, obviously. People are coming in and want to look like a new person because they would have seen their partner getting with someone else. So they want to look like that person, which is crazy. That is huge. Is that really popular?

Yeah, of course it is. What, picture as well. Reference fit. Yeah. Imagine if your partner broke up with you with someone with like huge tits. What are you going to do? You're going to go have a boob drop. Can you do that with injectables?

You can actually inject the boobs. I person want to do it. It's so dangerous. It's ridiculous. No self-respecting person would inject your boobs with filler. Yeah. Oh my gosh. So yeah, breakups, huge.

Divorces, massive, office reasons. People want that glow up. They're moving on to a new man, new woman, whatever. Obviously, weddings. Weddings, the biggest glow-ups of a wedding. People lose their money. People are the kind of people who are like I'll never have treatments done as soon as we've got that ring on the finger They're in my chair the next day because they're like right what we're doing yeah and is that mostly for like photo taking photos yeah yeah for one day

do people come to you and just be like what do I need yeah all the time and then do you tell them no because that drives it I hate that question yeah my answer to that especially for wedding ones are I can make you a list as long as my arm I can sit there and scrutinize your face and I change your life probably I did ask you to do that. You did, exactly. But I would never do that. Yeah. Because otherwise I'm giving you insecurities that you didn't have. So the way I work it is if you tell me what bothers you,

I can tell you either yes, I can't help you or no I can't help you or you need to go see this person to help you with this issue. But I would never sit here and make your list because I could literally make your list from a head to toe and where and that's not what anybody needs. Because I see that all the time where people have had a consultation somewhere else. they'll come in and see me they're like well this person said i now need a new chin new lip new nose a brow lift i'm like do those bother you they're like no but it does now because now this person has mentioned it i'm like that's the worst thing you can do to someone i was actually going to ask what

do you think of like public ticot consultations because you see the people come out of love island or the influencers and they will literally put online their consultation with their therapy what's it called their injector yeah and the injector is like pointing out the things that they're even seeing and that's going out to the masses like what do you think of that and that's scary because then people just think okay well if that person is good enough to make Love Island and made all that casting and getting with these like hot people are getting together and the reason they're getting together is because they're having all these treatments and someone scrutinizing their face which is awful we should not be doing that to anyone especially young females is sitting there and giving them

insecurities that they just do not need do you think they're getting a discount for putting that online they're having it done for free yeah I can which I don't offer. So anyone that you see on my socials will be paying for their treatment. And a lot of them do like to put it on their socials because it increases the engagement. Or like, we just have a good relationship.

They're like, I just want to support you. I'm like, yeah, great, let's go. But I, that's not something that we offer in clinic. The worst one I see is always like, is people giving that unsolicited advice? Rude. So rude. Like, they'll be like, oh, this person who loves her.

She needs this, this and this. Oh, it's crazy. But then imagine if that was you, right? And you're sitting there on TikTok and bed at like 2am scrolling. And someone's like, you need this. That would make me spiral. Yeah. That would gag me.

Yeah. I'm sorry, what? I can't imagine. Do you ever hear that from your clients that come in? Yeah, it's really sad because they'll come in and they'll say, oh, I am, someone was talking about me online and they know, oh, I did this TV show and they noted this, this, this, this, this. And I'm like, that's just so mean.

Yeah. Yeah. How have people got time to sit there and just do that? I mean, I would probably do that. I just need this, this. No, I wouldn't. Just make sure you tag me in my like burner account. Literally.

Do you think that the way we view ourselves is like changed since lockdown or like. Oh yeah. Lockdown has made my business thrive. If there wasn't lockdown, there would be no doctor motocs. Yeah. Lockdown was massive for me. Like my socials went crazy. Inquiries went crazy.

That's for a few reasons. People were sitting on a hundred. home on furlough doing absolutely nothing. Yeah. It's got nothing better to do than sit on social media and look for people like me. And everyone was rich. Everyone was rich. It was wild.

Yeah, everyone had all this like money. Like, what am I going to do with it? Yeah. They came and spent it with me. And that's one. But two, then the like the age of Zoom came. Which means people are sat there looking at a screen all day of themselves. So when I'm sat on a, I'm sat on a Zoom call, I am not looking at the other person.

I don't care. I'm sat there looking at myself. the whole time. Yeah. Pretty pretty. Right. And usually I're like, God,

that eye is so wonky. You know? And people are like, I never knew this is what I looked like. I never knew I had these wrinkles. Because the only time really you'd look at yourself, maybe in the morning while you're doing your hair, doing your makeup. And then you might catch a glimpse to yourself in the bathroom once.

And then at night, before you go to bed if you're cleansing your face. Whereas now people are constantly looking at their face or constantly looking at other people's face and looking like what looks good on. them and I think that made people go crazy so there was a huge spike and huge request for treatments at that time yeah and another thing these cameras are also distorting our faces horrendous and the lighting is if you haven't got the right lighting those shadows are hell oh yeah yeah so now I use a very big ring I walk around with a little line yeah not to throw you onto the

bus but sometimes you'll do a zoom call in complete darkness oh yeah so I don't have to look at myself I know, or like if I'm on FaceTime with another person, I'll always make my ice cream the biggest. So it's more bright on my face. Love it. Oh, sorry, I'm an arsonist. I love it. You do you.

I feel like our generation, me especially, we're obsessed with not looking tired. And rather than getting like a full eight hours sleep, do you find people coming in trying to get injectables to not look like they've got burned out? And I get that all the time. They're like, oh, I don't really sleep very much. So I look tired.

I'm like, well, I don't know, why you're here, just sleep. I can't give you that. Like, do you want, melatonin? Like, and it's, and yeah, so people are obsessed about leaking tired. People are so concerned about their eye area. Yeah. Which makes sense because that's the first thing I look at when I'm looking at you, right?

Which really gives people a complex. So if you're not sleeping, having an injectable treatment is not going to change your life. No injectable treatment under the eye will change your life, unfortunately. And that is my go-to phrase when people come to see me in clinic. I can't change your life with that. Just sleep and that will look better. There are things we can do so we do like the salmon spam injections and like your exosomes and your micro-needling

and your eye creams and yes, they will help a little bit but nothing's going to give you what you naturally should be doing as a human being, i.e. sleeping. You speak about reference pictures. Is there one common person that people tend to bring in? It's changed throughout the years. Yeah. So we've had, there was the era of like Kim,

King Kylie era when that was very, very in. Michelle Keegan, this is to be a massive one. And I get that. I'm on board with that because she's stunning. And she's the reference I give to when women come in with their partners, usually the man's sitting there sulking because he doesn't want her to be in the chair and all that. And I would usually say to him, what do you think Michelle Keegan? They'll be like, oh my God, you're hot.

And I'll be like, yeah, Michelle Keegan is filled head to toe. she's having everything she's not online well she is yeah um so she's a fantastic reference michel mcichael kegan molly may the new new and improved molly may tsubei thing and then now we moved on to to the a listers who we all know are having treatments but haven't told us what it is p v so we've got like the emma stones we've got the ann hathaway's we've got the lindsay lohanes and the older client is actually showing me Chris Janna which is super cool but we all know what she's had done she's had that incredible facelift

can we talk about it can we talk about that what entails of that because she must have sold something to the devil she's done something do you know what she's just seen someone who's a little bit fresh a bit newer got new ideas and probably been trained in a different way whereas before facelifts were very much pulling things tight

right so you we could all tell you don't have to be a surgeon to be able to tell like that the eye would be like a bit catty and pulled up the cheek is overtort the ear is slight distorted because it's pulled back too much um where she's gone to see someone who's done it differently where she's not he didn't change her features at all it still looks like chris jenna but things are rather than tighter just smoother and that's because the kind of face lifts he's done it's just in a slightly different plane and whatever magic he's doing he's done it in a way where it doesn't distort anything nothing's tighter things are just

firmer which looks incredible like I'm signing up I need to get on I'm sure his weight list is massive that guy is he the same person who did Lindsay Loham I feel it could be but she obviously she hasn't said she's had a surgical procedure and of course

even with Emma Stone we don't actually know if she's had one but she's 37 like that's young to have a facelift no people are having facelifts in their 30s I'm seeing it so much more now because it's done in that different way where things are tighter and people who have spoken to because my initially when people told me all that

I was like no don't be ridiculous don't have a facelift a 30 but the kind of comments from people who were booking in for that were like I want to look my best now not when I'm 60 and I'm like do you know what I can get on board with that I want to be at my peak now you're going to have to do it again in 30 years

well sign me up so I look good now and in 60 well actually like a facelift I'm imagining like they they scabble your whole face and then just stretch it, but that's clearly not. That's what the old facelift will like. So if you became a surgeon, that's clearly what you would do. So it sounds slightly different now. But they're doing like deep pain, a plain face lift where they're actually changing

and removing other parts. So sometimes they'll remove like pieces and muscles and glands and fat to make sure everything's like repositioned in a different way. I don't actually know exactly what happens, but from what I'm aware of. It's just done very differently where things are repositioned rather than tightened and pulled back, which is why people just look better. But people like Chris Jenner, like she's had the facelift, but she's also having injectable treatments. 100% guaranteed. She's doing her skincare.

She's still having a little bit of filler here or there to like cover little dips and hollows. She's having a Botox guaranteed every three months without question, I'm sure. So it's not like you have a facelift and you're done. Yeah. You've got to do maintenance to keep that. You've got to keep the skin firm. You've got to keep things lifted, things smoother. You've got to be using your retinal.

Gosh, she's probably bathing in retinal, that woman. It's much better when you're rich. Yeah, we'll get there. That facelift, I'm sure, was very expensive. I think it was like $150,000 I saw online. Probably more. I reckon he's charging around 300 now. Wow.

What was I'm saving up? Really? Like a pound and day. Yeah. On the end of the year, you'll have it. Yeah, done. Just to finish on this section, we've mentioned about AI, and obviously that's one of the things that's almost allowed us to see into the future of like what the ideal faces. Do you see people coming into your clinic that use like an AI person or a filter as a point of reference?

They already are. They were doing it back when we just had just face tune where you could physically yourself alter your face. They're like, I want to look like this. Hollywood Five. Yeah, they'll put the Hollywood Drive on and be like, make me look like this. I'm like, you're delude. did. But AI has taken it to another level because AI like in the last just like years doing an incredible thing. It's changed my life. It's made my life so much easy. I'll just create anything

I wanted to do. So if it's just doing that and changed our life so much in terms of like work and things, I can't even imagine what it will do later on. But right now I get people who will take a picture on AI and say what do I need. And it will tell you what you need. And if I'm totally honest, it's kind of right a lot of the time, which is scary. Sorry, what's the website? Just chat GPT. Really? What I do it?

It does it. Honestly, you take a photo and it will tell you. And people come in there like, I think I need this, this, this. And I'm like, how do you know that? Because this is kind of correct. Because that's the kind of things that I would look for. And I don't know how this AI has been trained to be able to do my job just without the injecting part.

It is crazy. And I'm seeing that so much more. I had a photo literally yesterday. one of my clients sent me a photo saying, I want to look like this. I think I need cheek filler. And I was like, that's what cheat filler would do.

So yeah, no, you are right. But it's scary because then we're going to, I'm going to be presented with a lot of that. And I don't know how I'm going to deal with that with the patient, what the right thing actually is to do. It is a little bit scary.

They're almost like bypassing you. You and kind of like the therapist side of it. 100%. They're just booking in for the treatment. Yeah. They're like me look like this. But they might not necessarily want it. Really.

Yeah. That's just what they're told them. So what it's doing is, so when I was saying earlier that I don't make a list about people's to give you insecurities, Jack GPD is going to be doing that for you without doing the human side of being like stepping away like actually you shouldn't probably do this. Yeah. Because it will just do whatever you tell it to do. It just follows a prompt, which is scary.

Jesus. And in terms of like on social media, the difference between like AI filters and real cosmetic work can obviously, I'm struggling. I'm struggling. I'm like, is, is that? AI, is that real? Like, I'm really, really struggling with that now. Whereas before, when a lot of people, a lot of injectors, edit their photos.

And the way I would know, they wouldn't edit their after photos because that's what people look for. They edit their before photo. So they make the before look a lot worse. So they'll bring the, yeah, really sneaky. They'll bring the jawline really in. And then the after photo would be like angled jawline, but that's because they probably already had an angle jawline and you've slightly enhanced it.

Yeah. So when you look at the before and after, you as a consumer wouldn't tell. I would know because I'd zoom into that before photo. I'm like, that's being edited. But you wouldn't do that. You'd zoom into the after photo and look for the edits. That should be illegal. That should be illegal.

I think that is illegal. Oh. People still do it. Crime busted. Yeah. Whereas with AI, I'm struggling. I really struggle. I'll see things.

I'm like, I just know that's not possible. Like, I'm good at my work, right? And I know that. And I'm like, I physically would never be able to achieve results like that. And is that because, like, I'm dated? I don't know what I'm doing. Like, there's new things out there. Or is this AI.

And it's most likely AI, which is crazy. And I just can't figure it out. My God. But if you don't know, how we're going to go to West. We're horse crews. I suppose the only thing we can do is put it into AI and ask AI. Is this AI? I'm like AI on AI crime.

Love that. Wow. So you offer so many different. treatments, can you actually explain to me what some of them are because I have no clue when everything is. Tell me which ones are you confused about? A lip flip. A lip flip is one of my most common treatments actually, especially before a wedding.

It is Botox, which we just inject at the top of the lip. It takes about two seconds. And all it does is when you smile, the lip doesn't curl in as much. So you show a lot more of your own lips. So it doesn't add volume, doesn't make things puffier, doesn't make things bigger, which is what people love about it. Yeah. It just shows off more of your own.

lip naturally. So when you, so some people, when they smile, their lip line goes in like this. Yeah, I'll do that. Yeah. We'll book you in. And all it does, it just turns it out. So you just show a lot more of your own natural lip. Oh my good.

Super subtle. I thought you were like stitching the lip. No. Or like not stitching. Some people do in gummy smiles. Have you seen that creator either? She's just had something where she had the lip lift, did she? Maybe.

A lip lift so she can cover a gummy. Yes. Yeah. That's fascinating. jaw grinding Botox That is actually also very huge So a lot of people clench and grind their teeth So they get pain

So they get like some people called like TMD pain And when you clench and grind your teeth It's a bit like if you go to a gym The next day you're sore right If you're grinching grind your teeth all night Every night without even think about it You can't control it your muscle's going to be sore The next day people get headaches that like spread up to the heads

Neck and down the side of their back And it's quite debilitating actually It also means you'll wear away your teeth because if you're clenching grind your teeth, you're going to get like super flat chipped broken teeth. So what we do is we relax that muscle, putting Botox into that muscle, paralyze it so you physically can't clench it as much, which means basically you take it out of the gym. Once you take it out of the gym, the pain disappears because if you don't get to a gym,

you're not going to be in pain. And it also changes the shape of your face. It actually slims it. Is this master to Botox? This is master of Botox. You'll see it all over TikTok. Yeah. And what it does, it relaxes the muscle.

When it relaxes the muscle, the face shape changes. So everything slims down hugely. It puts the whole jawline in a little bit. So especially on a female, they want to be slightly slimmer in the face. Whereas on a man, you probably wouldn't do that treatment because it would slim your face. Whereas in a man, you want to be like big and masculine. Not everyone, but that's generalisation. The next one is gummy smile correction.

Yes. So again, that's... Just looking at my sleep. I'm like, do you need that one as well? No, it's fine. So some people, when they smile, they have a really, really high smile line. They show loads of their gum. Beyonce was one, but I think she's been having gummy smile Botox.

But back in the day, if you have looked some of her photos, when she smiled, her smile went up super, super high. So what you can do, you relax the muscle that pulls the smile up, so you show a lot less of your gums, which... So is this on your mouth or on your gum? It's no, it's injected actually by the side of your nose, believe it or not, because that's where the muscle attaches. That's like where the muscle passes through. So you can inject it whilst passing through towards the lip.

Very misleading. Yeah, yeah. I do that. When people come in, they're like, wait, you're going to inject away. I'm like, by the side of your nose. They're like, but it's my gum. I'm like, you just sit back and let me do my job. Nostril flaring.

Yeah. That one is a niche one. Yeah. So some people just like when they're talking to people, they like flare their nostrils all the time like I just did that. And they don't like that. And if you don't like that, that's fine. We relax the muscle and it just stops you flaring your nostrils. But yeah, very niche. That's a niche. Okay. And then nose tip movements. Is that around the same thing? It's very similar. Again, extremely niche. So there's a muscle that goes from the top of your, um, tip of your nose

down to the base of your teeth. And some people, that muscle is just strong. And because it's strong, it pulls down when you're talking and smiling. So putting Botox that muscle relaxes it and stops it moving as much. I had no idea that was a thing. I've never looked at the tip of someone's nose. There's so many like weird little niche things that you can use these treatments for. Yeah. Which is super exciting, super fun. But it like it depends on what someone's hang up is, which is usually something ridiculous. Like why are you concerned about your nostrils for there? Yeah. Like it's, it's crazy. It's because someone would have pointed it out at some point and now it's in your head. Sure they've got bigger fish. Yeah, exactly. What's your like

favorite, like your personal favorite? My personal favorite treatment to do is always a nose movement where like we straighten humps and bumps and bumps and lift the tip of the nose because that seems to be a massive thing for people just like emotionally they would have been bullied about their nose someone's made a comment they sit in photos all the time so that's the one that I get like if someone's gonna cry in my chair it's usually after I've done their nose that's like that's like the one that's like okay that was quite nice way less invasive I guess as well than having a whole nose job yeah it should take it takes five minutes if that not even that it's I can probably do it about two minutes and all of a sudden you know it's straight and straight and don't get me wrong not everyone's suitable if you've got like quite large nose. There's like there's limits so I can do. But if you've got like a little hump and bump or the nose moves goes to one side, I can do like a little bit of contouring basically to make it look straighter. And that is, that goes down a treat. Gosh.

God. We've, um, we've got some beauty treatment myths. Go on. If you'd be down to quick fire debunk or confirm. First one, do you want to do that one do? Straight men don't get Botox. Lies. straight men don't get Botox as much as women, but they definitely get Botox.

And I can guarantee you every single time this happens, someone will come in with their boyfriend, their partner, whatever, she'll be having her treatment done, he'll be sitting down watching. I can guarantee you a few weeks later, he's in my chair. And you know what happens now is when they break up, they come and see me separately, which I love. Love that, get the tea as well. Is preventative Botox real?

Yes and no. So if you don't have static lines, which means if you don't have lines when you're just sitting there doing nothing, there's no line on your face. If you have Botox, yes, it will prevent it. But also, if you start it later, it will make absolutely no change. So you don't need to have it that early on at all. The time it becomes preventative is if you're sat down, look in the mirror, not moving your face and there's like lines starting to creep in, that is preventative. That I can reverse and prevent it getting worse. If you start a lot earlier, you'll be no better off than that person who has just started it when the lines are starting.

The problem is people are having it younger and younger because it just makes your skin look smooth, flawless and your makeup sits flawlessly on your skin. Hence before weddings, everyone wants their makeup to sit flawlessly. And that really is a game changer for how your makeup sits. Interesting. I'm sorry. Once you start Botox, your face will collapse if it stops. that's like biggest myth I've heard because you're never in a worse position

from having Botox what we've done is like for three month period we've stopped those lines etching into your skin so you're always like you've got that three months on your just like banked away basically and don't get me right if you have too much of it the muscle can waste away if your muscle waste away things can collapse but that's like if you haven't it too often

too much if you're constantly frozen but if you're sensible with it, then you're always better off. So you can have it done once and you've been better off. But I would say that as well, wouldn't I? Yeah. That's crazy. This one's quite crazy.

Phyllis migrate to other parts of your face and a girl did a TikTok where she said, I can feel my nose filler somewhere behind my eye sockets. I did see that's TikTok and that is, it's just impossible. Like things can't move like that in your body or in your face. It's just, it's not like it's a, whole porous thing that way it can move to the back of your eye through your bone through your

muscle through your ligaments that's not how it works however filler does not dissolve everyone always thinks filler dissolves over time and a lot of it does but there's a little stubborn layer in my opinion never goes and I think that's what people don't know when they have treatments and when they come to see me I'm what I always tell them before they leave before I inject not filling. Give you a warning. That there will always be a little layer there forever more. And the only way to remove that layer is by injecting it.

Now, if you have too much filler put in the same place, it can like push it out slightly because the new bit goes in the middle, the others get pushed out. Like lips, so example, you see people sometimes really puffy lips because the old filler's being pushed out slightly. The new filler goes where it is. And then you'll just build up those layers,

which means it just never goes. But no, it doesn't move in terms of just like, and a little walk around. That's not what's happening. Next one is injectable stretch your skin permanently. It can do. It's a bit. So the way I explain that to people is about if you put a little bit of weight on

and lose that weight, you're not going to get stretch marks. Your skin just goes back to normal and everything's like right and tight. But if you have to, if you put loads of weight on, overstretch the skin and get stretch marks when you lose the weight, you have saggy skin. Exactly the same with injectables. So if you have like huge.

huge amounts of lip filler, the skin will stretch. So when you take the filler out, it will be a little bit saggy. But if you're within normal limits, that's not going to happen. So if you're having like one or two mil here or there, absolutely fine. It's like putting weight on and losing weight. But as soon as it becomes obvious that you've had filler and things are stretched, then yes, that can happen. Interesting.

Well, I'm glad I got this question because it was mine. Are gowls genetic? And if you get cosmetic or injectable procedures, will it actually transform your jawline? This seems to be huge at the moment, and I don't know why. I'm seeing so many people come and ask me about jowls. I think it's the master to Botox talk. It is. You're like, if you do it, if it, I don't know if it goes wrong, then you get jowls.

Well, let me depunk that myth. So jowls are hugely genetic. So some people just won't get them because it just doesn't run in their family. Whereas a lot of people will because it will eventually come. And that comes from the skin changing, the fat changing, things becoming heavier. You losing volume in certain areas. Now, some ascetic treatments can give you jowls. So, for example, master Botox can give you gels if you have too much of it.

Too much of anything will over paralyze the muscle. So if you put too much into that, it paralyzes too much, so it thins out huge amounts, which means the skin that is slightly further back drops down. So for example, for my clients in my clinic for Master Botox, I've got a rule. You're not allowed to have it done more than twice a year. If you stick to that rule, you will not get jails. Right. If you get jowls, it's because you're aging.

Like some people come to me there, they've been having like master Botox. for like 10 years. They're like, I'm getting giles. I'm like, yeah, because we're 10 years down the line. Like, come on. This, that's not the master bodex. That's just 10 years of aging. Yeah.

What are jowls? Like, what I've got now, basically. You don't have jowls. I can hate my jowls. Yeah. On this camera with the angle, I do have jowls. It's like, it's the, so the heaviness here. Oh.

Oh, I thought it was here. Well, the whole thing connects together. Oh, yeah. So heaviness all the way down here. That's because the, we've got a fat pad here, which becomes a bit looser. Right. And if your chin.

is a little bit set back, this looks even heavier. Because you always say of jails and I don't know what you're talking about. Oh yeah, me and Rosie obsessed with Jowel talk. Jail talk. I couldn't say you've got jowls. Yeah, really. Good. I'll take that from you. Do you want you to do that song?

What's, no, we've kind of covered that one, but what skincare beauty products do you believe aren't worth it? Oh, great question. So some of the very expensive skincare brands that you see, where it's like hundreds of pounds for like this cream. Like for example, Chanel do some creams, which I'm sure I love it in hydrating, but they're not life-changing at all.

So there's like super expensive stuff. They're not going to do much for you. You want to stick to a brand which is like science-backed and they've got people behind it which support the science. Rather than people behind it, which are just pushing products down your throat to give you like hydration. so don't be fooled by the marketing so some of the ones I would I personally would trust are Medicaid always fantastic products La Roche again beautiful science Sarah Ve incredible science behind it

so these big brands even some of the products from the ordinary they've got some really cheap products but they're actually quite good because they're like science backed so you don't have to spend huge amounts of money on skincare and on beauty stuff so that's just something to be careful with. Don't be hoodwinked by these like just because it's expensive is better. Yeah. It actually probably isn't. I personally wouldn't, wouldn't buy that.

A lot of those creams I wouldn't put on my face. That and then devices, everyone's making devices nowadays. Most of them are a load of rubbish. Like I went to Primark the other day and they had an LED light. And it was like two or three quid for an LED light. And I was like, what is it? It's literally fairy lights in it. I'm holding fairy lights on my face.

Ridiculous. And LED masks I love. I think they're fantastic. Everyone should be using them. But you've got to use the correct ones, the ones that are science-backed and doing the things that they should be doing for your skin. So you shouldn't be using your primark LED.

Shut up. Get your shark LED light and that will transform your skin. I know I love when people do like, you know, what are the things in the supermarkets, the red light on the, yeah, ridiculous. Yeah, silly. But great for viewing.

Great when I'm at 2 a.m. Absolutely. Does edible collagen work? Yes. Really? I don't know. Oh. Yeah.

So collagen is fantastic if you use the right one. Everyone's making collagen nowadays. Everyone's packaging it up and making it look nice. A load of it is a load of rubbish. So collagen is quite a big molecule, right? If you take actual collagen, your body can't absorb it. It will literally just go. straight through you come out of the other side.

Oh. So you've got to take a type of collagen that has been broken down, like chopped up into little pieces so your body can actually physically absorb it. And when it absorbs it, then it can use it to make collagen. However, you also need to be doing treatments for your body to need the collagen. It's a bit like if you don't go to a gym and just start taking protein shakes, you're not going to bulk up. You're not going to have abs.

But if you go to the gym and take protein shakes, that's going to work. same with collagen. If you're going to have treatments, even just using vitamin C, just using retinal, your body's trying to make collagen. So if you feed it collagen, it has the collagen available for it to build those blocks. Interesting. So things like retinal, vitamin C, micro-needling, those kind of things are trying to make your body produce collagen.

So if you're doing any of those, you should be taking collagen. Most collagen is a load of rubbish on the market, especially if it tastes nice. Collagen, when it's broken down, tastes horrible. It's really bitter. So most of the companies will put little flavorings in them to try and make them taste nice. It tastes okay. So I take it every single morning with a little bit orange juice, shot it, it's gone, it's done. So one of the brands that I love, the only brand really that I've seen that actually make a proper collagen is one called like Luna and Solis.

They're very small company, but they make a fantastic collagen. All my clients are on that collagen daily basis. You just take it every day. I'm going to make a new one. Write that down. Luna and S-L-L-L-I-A-S-L-L-E. What is S-M-M-U? It's one of those things where it was kind of like a bit of a trend on TikTok.

But it is. I think there must be like factory or something where they have like all these snails. I'm sure I looked at one point. It's abusive, I'm sure. It's real snail mucus. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's actually snail meokers. And that is obviously like super gloopy, super hydrating.

So when you put onto your skin, it just looks super shiny. Of course, it won't. Is it actually doing anything? Probably not. What about a guasha? Gwasha fantastic. Actually, I know. I do recommend to people.

I know it looks like a bit of a fad, but it's not. What it does, it depuffs. So it takes the water retention out of your face. So everything looks sculpted. Like Kendall Jenner actually did a little video of it for Vogue, where she sculpted to the face and everything looks lifted. And that would actually work, but not long term. It would work for like a couple of hours.

So like if you're out and about, going to an event, you'd wash your face, you would look sculpted and lifted. And you can get some of those, there's some like devices now. you can get that go like super cold that you can use on your face, which is like they're inspired by a guasha. And that can cause loads of lifting and just make you look sculpted, lifted and fresh for the rest of the day,

especially under the eyes. Under eyes of what looks super puffy. So if you use one of those devices, it just takes all the water retention out and things look smoother for the like the rest of the day. You'll wake up in the mornings and it'll be puffy, but then you just got to do it again. So that's a bit like makeup on.

It only lasts for a couple of hours. It's not going to change. Exactly. You just do it as part of your routine. before you do your makeup so um you just put like some sort of like haloronic acid serum on use that device all the way around you'd be sculptor put your makeup on ready for the day skincare that's got gold on it is it a fad obviously it is obviously a fad and I think everyone knows that deep down um because what is that doing like gold your body your body can't absorb gold

that's that's really yeah fake tan is no apart from billy no one's our skins absorbs gold um so it's not going to do anything right um it can like if it's put like an internet exfoliator, it can help exfoliate and roughly remove the top surface layer of the skin, but why would you use gold when you can use something a lot cheaper, basically sand? Pamelstone. Yeah, Pamelstone, exactly. Like, yeah, ridiculous.

God. It's just making things expensive just to make it look a bit more luxurious. Yeah, okay, well, obsessed with that. To wrap up the conversation, what do you think, I mean, the culture of beauty has changed so much even just in the last five years, what do you think it will look like in the next 10 what people are going to be interested with? I don't know because if you asked me this five years ago, I would have told you a

complete different answer. I'd be like everyone have like huge lips and big hair and then it just, it's all constantly changing and we're constantly seem to going back to like different times within within the last couple of like 30, 40 years. But I think natural is very, very in. AI is definitely going to change how we look at things, how we perceive each other and what kind treatments that we do and I think even I will be um led a little bit by like what AI is telling me and what what kind of things I'll be doing but it'll be very much clean gal aesthetics skin is going to be huge I think the innovations that are happening within skin skincare and the kind of things that we're actually discovering are incredible and some of the big companies are doing so much research

into these things where um I think skincare is going to really really be where most of the things are happening because I think we can probably achieve a lot more than what we're achieving now. Do you think it will change how you do like Botox and things like that? I think so yeah. Like a robot assistant. Hopefully that'd be great. We have a job. Social media, gone.

I think it were, I think we'll probably get new products out as well in terms of like Botox might, something new might come out that might rival it. That's interesting. Which will be super exciting. And then by the time we can afford it, it'll be old news. Imagine people doing it at home themselves. Hopefully we don't get to that point. Let's not get that.

Yeah, sorry. Let's not manifest that one. I need a job. I need a, I've got bills paid. That was an amazing conversation. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me.

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Amazing. Thank you so much. Thank you.