Tea at Four - Kitty Scott-Claus spills Drag Race UK goss, being a sober queen and dating in drag

Episode Date: July 10, 2025

How do drag queens tuck? Do they find other drag queens attractive? Can you really be a drag queen and be sober?In the final episode of our series where we invite people from the LGBTQIA+ community onto the podcast to learn about their experience, we have drag race icon Kitty Scott-Claus on for a super open and hilarious chat.She covers how to choose your drag name, why becoming sober was so difficult in her industry and all the behind-the-scenes goss from Drag Race UK.Billy learns all the answers to the internets most burning questions about drag queens, so get a cuppa and settle in…

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Hashtag you got this. When you do drag race, they'll be like, right, what are you serving? And you have to like describe your look. You have to say, I'm serving. I'm serving today. I'm serving bin bag. I'm serving hot lady in a non-HC room. Oh!

Hey guys, welcome back to T4. I'm Billy. And today we're going to be continuing our pride series where we celebrate and learn more about the lived experiences of the LGBTQIA plus community in a fun, honest, non-judgmental, nothing of limits kind of way. And today I'm joined by the insanely talented diva, Miss Skittycock Claus. Please give it up people. Yay. Thank you so much for having me.

Thank you for joining us. I'm so excited you're here. How are you? I'm good. I'm good. I feel like Adele with Joe Inch is like, it is an absolute honor to be here in full fucking glam at 8 a.mam on a Thursday morning. Yeah.

Except it's 10 on a Monday. On a Monday. Potato, potato. I think that being here on 10 is a big ask for a Monday morning. So thank you for coming in. For anyone on a Monday, in Pride month. In Pride, homophobic. Homophobic, really.

Honestly, tell you what is homophobic. I got in the Uber this morning, the taxi driver was like, drop the aircon on, I was like, oh my God, thank you. Yes, please. It was butter breath. It was just ASMR. It was, it was nothing. I was actually like, oh, I blew the window down so quickly. He was like, the aircon's on. I was like, he's not doing anything. I've got like 10 seconds where I'm out. Oh, homophobia, we love. Right. Let's get into it. I mean, when people address you, how do you like to be addressed as a drag queen? Her majesty.

Her Majesty. Normally. Her Royal Highness. Her Royal Hunness. Hunness. No, honestly, I'm just like, say what you see. Pronouns wise, I go for like, if I'm in drag, she her. If I'm out of drag, he him.

Yeah. But say what you see. Like, if I'm out of drag, he him. Yeah. But say what you see. Like if I look rough in drag, call me him. If the kid's poking through, then you're like, sir, sir, time for you to go home. The drag is repelling from your body. I think it's time to call it quits. The makeup said no today. Yeah. Not today.

You should bury that. As a drag queen, what do you think is like the biggest misconception people have? I think, do you know what my thing at the moment is? That we're always late and that we're always, like I think drag queens have such a bad rep of like you book a drag queen and people will be like, right, okay, we're going to tell the drag queen different times, which I know some drag queens need that because they need a little longer, like getting ready and stuff. But like, I feel like people expect it. And so like whenever I turn up somewhere on time, people are like, oh my God, like you're not needed for like

three hours. It's like, I could have been like sleeping for three hours more. I saw the shoot last week. No, but it's one of those things where it's like people expect, you know, like, oh drag queens, they've got such bad reputation. It's like, but also not all of us do. Yeah, not all of us. Because I think I've heard the expression never work with like kids and drag queens. There we go that's fair. But I can say that's not true because you are a delight to work with. There we go thank you very much. Where do you think it comes from like? I think it's like theatre training and like growing up going to drama school if you were late you were suspended. If you were on time you were late you know, so it's that training of like being drilled into you of like must be present, must be on time, must be punctual. As Kim would say,

don't be tardy for the party. Don't be tardy for the party. Don't be tardy for the party. I always think like, what is it like dating as a drag queen? Horrific. Horrific. Awful. It's horrible out there anyway. Well yeah, so you'll be on like a drag queen? Horrific. Horrific. Awful. It's horrible out there anyway. Well, yeah. So you'll be on like a dating app or whatever. And then it's like, you find someone, you talk to them and you're like having a nice time. And they're like, what do you do?

And you're like, I'm a drag queen. The second you say that, it's like ghost town. It's like fucking tumbleweed. You're like, well, there we go. I went through a phase of being like, I'm a performer. I'm an actor. I'm this, that, the other. All true. But it's like, the second you say like drag queen, I feel

like people have such a idea in their heads and think you're gonna be like big blue eyeshadow calling the bingo on like Thursday night. Can be painting their face. I mean, I'd love that. I love a drag bingo. But also it's like, I think it's a very like old-fashioned stereotype that it's like, no think it's a very like old fashioned stereotype that it's like, no, there's so much more. Like I'm actually, I was talking to someone and then they were like, I'm a chartered surveyor and I just ghosted them. Like, what's wrong with that? It's kind of camped that. Oh, boring. Boring, boring, next.

When I talk to people and they tell me about their jobs, I never know what to say. Cause I'm like, my job's really fun. My job's really exciting. Like I love my job. No, I never feel like I'm working. I always feel like every day is like, oh my God, it's just so fun. When I talk to like other people that tell me their jobs, I'm like, wow, that must be fun. And like my voice is so like monotone anyway, that I sound sarcastic all the time. I'll be like, if they could hear me say this, they'd be like, wow, that sounds so fun. You must love that. Like, so like disingenuine. I do. People do have like, especially if you meet people in like different fields, as soon as I say social media, they're like, they get the ick. And I'm like,

it's a fun job. I love it. Like, sorry for loving my job. Sorry for having fun. Literally. Sorry for being fun. Sorry that I don't do accountancy or whatever you say. Sorry, having fun. Literally. Sorry for being fun. Sorry that I don't do accountancy or whatever you say. Sorry, I'm not boring. Have people treated you differently since Drag Race? Oh my god, yeah, totally. What's the change been like? I think before doing Drag Race, people, like when I told people like, I'm a drag queen and they'd be, they

would look down on it. Some people were like, well, that's one step above being a clown. And it was like, well, a glamorous clown, glamorous clown, but you know what? And then you go on drag race and then all of a sudden it gives you like, not that it should, but it definitely gives you like a sense of like respect. It like people will be like, oh my God, she was on RuPaul's drag race, which is amazing, but it's like everyone deserves a level of respect. Regardless of if you've been on the TV show or not. One of my other questions was going to be like, with that, has that kind of changed the drag scene in terms of like, it's so mainstream now, but if you've not been on the show, people

are so super critical. And it's kind of like, everyone's being held up to this standard or expectation. And I feel kind of like, sorry for like the drag queens who are just starting out or like don't really care to look like the ideal of drag queen. And they're kind of like, I see all these clips sometimes at prides of like the drag race fandom going off and drag queens who are working prides. You know that clip where that guy was like, Michelle would read you right now. Yeah. And it was like, hun, you're wearing a Primark leather jacket. Literally, let's like... Who are you to critique?

The thing, I think like Drag Race is so amazing and like what it's done for the drag scene, it has pushed such a limelight, like a spotlight onto it and pushed it to the limelight, which is amazing. But with that, it's made people watching the show feel like, well, I can judge because this is what they go through. I know, I know what I know what you have to look out for. I know what's going to be like picked up on. Which is like fair play. Take from the show what you want, but that's not what I watch the show for. Um, you know, and so like, I feel like everyone like puts such a magnifying glass on it and they'll be like, you need this, you need this. I remember like doing gigs before Drag Race UK was a thing. And like you'd get like the bitchy a's coming

into the bar being like, honey, you need bigger boobs, you need, you need this and it was like, excuse me. Yeah. You're wearing like a River Island t-shirt. With Rihanna on it. With Rihanna on it and a pair of chinos, so I'm good. But what I love, I love the gays when they're like, I know I would kill it on Drag Race and you're like, bitchy. Oh I love it. I'm like, I'm going to humor it. I'm like, I bet you would. What would your drag name be? And it's going to be something like, you know, and you're like, wow, amazing. What's been the worst one you've heard? There's no bad drag names. See, I always think my middle name is Garvey. Okay. And it's unusual. I feel like Garvey Price. Garvey Price. Hello you c***. Hello

you c***. There we go. It's going to be quite a funny one. Garvey, what do we say to people? Hello you c***. Oh my god, that would be iconic. What a day. Do you know what I love as well? My friend Pork Pie, she's a queen from Birmingham. She gives everyone drag middle names. And it's the funniest thing because it will be like like the way you do it is basically it's your auntie's name becomes your drag middle name. So like my drag full name is Katherine because Katherine, so Katherine Charlotte Scott Claus. So it's like, but then you go around, it's like poor Elizabeth pie. And like, so hang on, what would your drag middle name be? Garvey Lynn Price. Oh my God, that's such a good drag name. So good, isn't it?

Garvey Lynn Price. Garvey Lynn Price, I've just spat everywhere. I love that. Maybe I should actually start doing it. And I know I'd be so good on Drag Race. Yeah, there we go. There we go. Another one.

Thank you. What has been the most outrageous thing that's happened to you on stage? On stage? Oh, like falling over. Oh, no, the worst one was I was doing a play in the West End called Death Drop, which was so much fun. And I was filming MasterChef at the same time as doing it.

And like my schedule was crazy, like insane. But I put on a load of weight because obviously I was doing Masterchef eating so much in the day it was like the last week of shows I went to it was a quick change as well and I'm not good in a quick change I don't like the stress of it I don't like the pressure also I say it's a quick change we definitely had like three minutes I'm like oh my god the pressure of it all I ran off stage to get changed and they had like the dresser there with like my costume hats changed into.

So I was like taking everything off and like it was, we were going to like a dinner party scene. And they put the dress on me, went to zip it up and like the zip just went bust on the back. And like it was like an industrial zip and I'm like, oh God, I don't know what. And in my head I was like, oh, it's this bloody zip's knackered. Like don't know what's going on here. Clearly I've been eating all the pies. Anyway, they were like, there's no time. Like we didn't have any of the costumes. Like all the costumes were downstairs

in the dressing rooms. They're like, what do we do? What do we do? And I was like, it's okay. I'm going to go on and I'll just grab it. And so I walked on stage and like, like everyone on stage could see what had happened. And I did the whole scene. It was like, like two scenes like till the end of act one and we were on stage for like half an hour. I did not turn around for the whole thing. Just like a Barbie doll, like just facing front. So bad. So embarrassing. Oh, that I think I'd be mortified. Have you seen that clip of, um, I don't know what I do. That's so scary. Like reminds me of that clip with Ryland where she does a slut job and her bum comes out. Oh my god on Big Brother. On Big Brother, like, Little Brother or something.

Yeah. You'd die, you would die. It's my Roman Empire just thinking about that clip. Horrific. And she did it with such commitment. She really committed to the bit. And I remember watching that live and just thinking like how is it that's also up there with like Madonna at the Brits. Oh my god. Again watching that at home just like oh somebody is getting fired. Rewind it. Is that meant to happen?

That was funny it was like good to be on Twitter because... I've got another one, I've got a better one. So this was, we were doing New Year's Eve on BBC with Olly Alexander and it was when Britney Spears had just been freed from the conservatorship and they were like, we want drag queens to be Britney Spears. So I was, baby, one more time Britney and I was wearing the little school uniform. This was on TV on and we did two takes of it and I was really feeling it. I dropped to the floor and I was like, oh, and then I jumped back up and my heel got caught in the back of my skirt and like, and it was right at the end of the number and I caked myself like literally like pulled the skirt like half down and then we did two takes, that was the first take.

The second take was brilliant. I was like, they're just not gonna use that first one. We're absolutely fine. And then like they'd cut between the two in the edit because like, spoiler alert TV, we filmed it like three weeks before. And you can just see the last shot, like everyone's like stood normally

and I'm just there like trying to pull my skirt back up. It was horrific. Like just like keg myself on TV. Oh my God. Okay. Having said that, your favourite and least favourite thing about being a drag queen. Oh my God. But like stuff like that, that's my favourite because as much as like, as so like hell, it's so chaotic, but like it's stuff like that, that you're just like, that is so funny. I love it.

At least you can laugh about it. Exactly. Imagine if you're like one of those drag queens that like, if your wig fell off least you can laugh about it. Exactly. And like- Imagine if you're like one of those drag queens that like, if your wig fell off, you'd just like cry. Kill yourself. No, it's a laugh. It's funny. It's drag.

Funny, come on. No, I think like doing drag in, especially doing like RuPaul's Drag Race, you're so lucky you get to travel, you get to see the world, you get to perform in like different countries. And that for me is just incredible. Like, oh my God, I went to Australia for like three weeks end of last year and we just perform all over there. It was on tour and it was amazing.

It was just like, Oh my God, as if I'm in Australia doing drag. How did they do drag in Australia? It's so bloody hot. Yeah, that's since they have aircon. We don't know over here. No, I'm literally sweating. I shouldn't have worn white. No, I'm wearing bloody pleather. True, you win. Literally, worst day to wear this. The worst thing of being a drag queen. Wearing pleather in aircon studios. Wearing pleather in aircon studios, yeah.

No aircon. No, that's not even that bad. I'd like, the pros definitely outweigh the cons. And I think every day I wake up and I enjoy what I do so much. It never feels like I'm working. I always feel so lucky to get to call this my job, you know? Too blessed to be stressed.

Too blessed to be stressed, hun. Well dressed, not depressed. I'm going off on a tangent here now. Think of another one. Yeah, think of another one. I digress. There we go. Fair play.

Thank you. And then finally for the segment, if you have any advice for young drag queens, what would it be? Every drag queen always just goes, don't do it. But that's done, we've done that. I think you need to work out what works for you and what you like, you know?

So there's no point just like being, you never wanna be a second rate version of anyone else. You want to be yourself. So find out your aesthetic. Like obviously experiment, try things out. But then like, I feel like once you know what works for you and if you have an idea in your head, like this is who I am, this is who I'm going to be. Stick to it, run with it because you're your own boss. That's what I love about drag. It's like, you don't like it, change it.

That's great advice. Oh my god, so moosh. So emotional. How different is your drag persona from your... My real life persona? Honestly, the same. I think I'm just a big attention seeker. Like regardless of if I've got a wig on or not, I'm the exact same in drag or out of drag. Some people, like they'll be like it'll be a whole process and it'll be like when the wig comes on when the eyelashes come on that's when she arrives in the room but it's like for me I'm like I'm I'm like Tinkerbell I need applause or I'm gonna die. I need the clap. Sorry. Not again. For this next section, we've actually taken our questions for Google. So, don't hate them.

Hate Google. Hate Google. Hate Google. What do drag queens identify as? Some of these might be really basic, by the way. Identify as human. Symbol. Cross-dresser.

Full stop. Wig. Yeah. Did you say wig? Did you say wig? Sorry, this is between us. Did you say wig? I know. I know. Oh God. Wig, right? Send me to space. With a little flower. Do drag queens date in drag? No. That is so funny. But we make fun of my French s***. She... I shouldn't say that. I shouldn't say that. We... No. Okay, let me think of a way to say this because she'll kill me. My friend, she knows who she is. She once went on a date in drag and she told us after

she was like, she went to Pizza Express. And this was like when we were all starting drag and like, none of us looked good. None of... Like we all thought we looked good. We had the like, the delulu mindset. The delulu. Like when you look at it now, it's like she just went to Pizza Express and ordered like a sloppy Giuseppe and like dough balls. Like in drag. The people in Pizza Express would be like, are you OK, sir?

We've got like a lace front down to her eyebrows. Oh bless. And no poly dress. Oh, God bless her. Next one from Google, do drag queens find other drag queens attractive? I mean I'm sure some do but all I think of is like just think about like all the makeup and like the tucking pants. Yeah. Oh my god like it's actually like it looks gorgeous, it looks glamorous, but underneath it's so gross. When you're actually just like, oh that's nice. Like I did the marathon in drag the other week. Was you wearing, I was gonna ask you, did you wear trainers for that? Yeah, oh my god, everyone's

like, did you do it in heels? I'm like, no, I don't want to die. I actually run. But um. That's incredible though that you ran the marathon in drag. Well done. But like my toenails now, I've got like three black toenails and it's like, oh that's sexy isn't it? I can't wear open toe shoes for a while. That's why we've got crocs. Well I've got black toenails and I didn't do the marathon. If that makes you feel better. It's just genetic. I don't actually. How long does it take to drag up? It totally depends on the individual. I'm speaking like generally, like I know queens and kings who will take like three hours, four hours. My sister Tace, back in the day, she used to take like six hours or something. Six hours? Oh my god, who has the time? I get so bored. I'd fall asleep. Today I did, got ready in like an hour. That's so

good. But like fully ready. Fully ready. We're going, everything, you know. On Drag Race, when we got on Drag Race, they called us being like, you need to get ready. You need to practice getting ready in like quick, like amounts of time. How much did they give you? Well, even then though, they were like,

we're only giving you an hour and a half. And I was like, oh, I'll sit down half an hour. Literally like, oh, it's a breeze. I'll have a cup of tea. Yeah literally it's like anyway, please get the kettle on please. RuPaul get that kettle on. Who was the worst at getting ready on Rag Race when you were doing it? Oh Veronica Green. Really? Veronica was like, she's in her own world and she'll take her time and And like, I remember it was the sewing challenge and I just remember the Queen team, who were amazing.

I mean, everyone that works on Drag Race is amazing. But I remember the Queen team were like, there to like hurry us along and be like, right, they're so good at making it fair for everyone. And if it like, there was one time when it was the same challenge, there was a power cut when we were working and so like, but half of us were out of the room doing like confessionals or something. it like there was one time when it was the same challenge there was a power cut when we were working and so like but half of us were out the room doing like confessionals or something so they were like right when the others come back they're gonna have like the same amount

of time as you but we're not gonna turn the power on for like that amount of time it's like joking like oh god oh god but they're like it has to be fair for everyone i remember i found like one socket that worked i had a glue gun. But I remember the Queen team when it was that challenge Veronica was she was a little bit slower than the rest of us. And I remember just like all of us were ready, like ready to go and like ready to go and do the runway and just hearing like Veronica RuPaul is waiting for you hurry up. And we RuPaul just like. So funny.

Oh my God, I love that though. How do drag queens tuck? Again, different for each Queen, King thing. I personally, I like a tucking pant. I think there's a brand called Zoa and they specialize in underwear for trans women. And it's brilliant. It just, you literally just put the...

Oh, I love that. It's like wearing a pair of pants, but then it depends what you wear. Yeah. Like if I'm wearing like, I've done it before, if I'm like in a bikini or something and it's like, okay, well, we're going to have to get the tape out. We're going to have to do it old school, you know, like, and like, Oh gosh, you know, strap yourselves in lads.

It's going to be a bumpy ride. Let me push my bollocks into myself. There we go. Oh gosh, you know, strap yourselves in lads. Literally. It's gonna be a bumpy ride. Let me push me bollocks into myself, there we go. Happy Monday everybody. And I mean, to round it off with Google's most searched questions, how do you drag coins pay? Well, if you're tucked, if you're taped, you can't. Really, you just have to hold it in.

Just hold it. I think like my bladder control has got so good since doing drag. Like if I know I can't go to the toilet, I'm like, well, also like when I used to drink, it would like affect the way you drink because then you can't drink like, you know, I'll have a vodka Coke or whatever.

It's like, you can't, you just do the shot because you get the extra liquid going in, you know can't you just do the shot because you know should you just get drunker as well that way oh gosh yeah well thank you Google for your questions. You know what though it's not just Google like that's the like when people like meet a drag queen they're like just gonna ask where does it go oh my god how do you go to the toilet it's like oh it's always is that the same question every time yeah yeah a hundred percent how'd you tuck it's like do you you go to the toilet? It's like, oh, it's always the same question every time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 100% How'd you tuck? It's like what job you to show you like?

Let me give you a little demonstration How did you also just come to me how did you think of your name cuz I love the name saying He's got no I can always tell, cause it's a pun name. It's like Kitty Scott Claus. I can always tell if people don't understand the pun or like, it's always like people who like, if they're not British or like don't say it in like my accent, they'll be like Kitty Scott Claus.

And they'll like just think of it as an actual name. You can hear like if they don't understand the pun cause or they'll call me like Kitty Claus. And I'm like, oh, you don't get it like kitty something's not clicking yeah it's still not there still not and then when they get it like oh yeah basically i was at um a party and this it happened like years ago before i was even doing drag i was actually at a friend's party and i was one of these people where like

i'd be like this is going to be my drag name when i when i start doing drag i've had no intention of starting drag my drag name was gonna be Madonna Kebab I thought that was really funny I like that that's good I was like I don't want to be called Madonna because like you're never gonna be the most famous Madonna right no of course like name me another kitty kitty spencer princess diana's niece she's's gorgeous. Kitty from Glee? Yeah, okay, well. Sorry. That's fair. But not in the UK.

We don't know her surname. No. Just from Glee. Just from Glee. She looks like Claire from Steps. Yeah. Claire from Steps is Clitty from Clitty. Clitty.

Clitty Pardick. Sorry. It's a Monday morning and the aircon's not on. But I was at this party and so I would always say like this is gonna be my drag name and um I said something that was like a little bit bitchy and I used to think it was really funny if you went like oh me out, saucer and milk, like after you say something a bit like catty or bitchy and my friend went like oh yeah this kitty's got claws

and as soon as I heard her say it I was like that's gonna be my drag name and then literally like six weeks later my friend was like we're doing a girls allowed show we need a Kimberly Walsh can you do it it I was like, that's gonna be my drag name. And then literally like six weeks later my friend was like, we're doing a Girls Allowed Show, we need a Kimberley Walsh, can you do it? I was like, yes I can. My name is Kitty Scott Claus, thank you very much. Oh my god. And then it was literally like from there. You do actually look a little bit like Kimberley. You do? Oh my god, let me get my fucking bob on. I love that so much, I love her. Yeah she's so gorgeous. Like when we do like our Girls Aloud show and we just get to talk like and she's just so northern, she's so slow when she

talks. I just love her so much. She could almost be stoned in every interview I see. Oh absolutely every interview. I love her. I love her. I love when the gay's like there was one this one clip that always comes up on Twitter and like it's not like Kimberley at all I think she's talking about like giving birth or something and she's they're like would you rather do like natural or like Would you rather have like give birth with like drugs and she's like give me the drugs The gays just clip so just give me the drugs It's like Kimberley won't Talking about going into labor So funny. One thing we'll say

about the guys, they are creative. Oh they will. They will and they'll do it. You give them an inch they'll take a mile. Take a mile. How is it like being a drag performer as a sober queen? Do you know I think when I decided to go alcohol-free I think I really like struggled at the thought of it. I think I remember thinking like this is going to be really tough. But I was on my weight loss journey and I remember like my, I was with my PT and like my weight had like, I'd lost a bit of weight and I'd like, it sort of like plateaued and it wasn't budging. And then he was like, just do a food diary for a week. Anyway, I went to a house party and oh my God, I was using Prosecco as a mixer like

awful horrific I was so drunk and I had a great time but then I would go home and I would order like McDonald's at like 3am and so it's like if I cut the drinking then I'm not gonna order food at like four in the morning and also didn't realize the calories in alcohol and I used to drink a lot so it was like cut cut cut and I remember thinking like this is. So it was like cut, cut, cut. And I remember thinking like, this is going to be really tough. Like, I don't know how I'm going to be able to do my job. Like without like a glass of Prosecco getting ready. I used to love a Prosecco. Um, but I think like now I think doing it for the first time, like doing a night where I wasn't drinking, I think that was tough just because it was so.

You're surrounded by it. Aren't you? Well, surrounded by it. And it's also like, you're there to promote drinking when you like break it down. It's like, you're there to encourage people to go to the bar and get a drink and then come watch the show

and like, who's gonna cheers with me, you know? So stuff like that is like tough. But then I think like you get used to it and it becomes really easy. I remember when I actually did stop drinking alcohol, I actually wasn't really like, oh, fine. And like now I deep it and I'm like, I actually don't think I like alcohol. Like I think I like the effects of it.

I hate the taste of it. I think that's pretty true. Yeah. I agree with that. I like, I think about it now and I'm like, oh my God. I'm like, if ever I'm like, I'd love a Prosecco. It's like, no, I don't. I like the feeling that a Prosecco would give me.

I hate the taste of it. If I'd be like, I'll have a sparkling water and I'll be fine. You know? Yeah. That's so true actually. If I'd be like, I'll have a sparkling water and I'll be fine, you know? Yeah, that's so true actually, when you think about it, like what actually tastes nice? Yeah, it's like, oh my God, I love Diet Coke. Give me a Diet Coke over anything and I'm like Lisa Balo, Diet Coke.

Diet Coke, I love Lisa Balo. Queen, queen. Okay, this next section we thought would get you to educate the girls, the masses, with some drag slang. Oh god, imagine if I don't know it. I think most of this, most of this you will, but I tried to find some that I'd never heard of before, so I was just like.

Read or reading? That's when you like, okay, you'll like read the girls, you'll, you'll be like saying it how it is, you'll like hear, it like, it's a loving way of telling someone something that's wrong with them. Mm. Yeah, to critique or insult someone in a clever, cutting, often hilarious way. Oh, there we go. Do you know what? That's what people ask. If they're like, when people meet a drag queen, they'll be like, read me. I don't know you. That's just going to be like, I feel like when you read someone, it has to come from a place

of love. You have to know the person to read them. You have to be at a certain level with them. It's like, if a stranger comes at you and you're like, read me. You're like, I'm not going to just like, your shoes are shit. Also, I feel like that comes from like people whose idea of drag queens maybe is just drag race because there's like not all drag queens specialize in like reading or like dark humor comedy like some people like there's different varieties in drag queens and when people expect you to be able to do everything it's like sometimes I like when I watch Drag Race the worst bit is the reading challenge or there's nothing I love more than a

bad read like if someone and they think they've like it's a real zinger and you're just there like when are the insults gonna start? I remember like doing the reading challenges I remember like both seasons I did I was like I want to get roasted I want to like come out of here with like insecurities I never knew I needed and both times I was like oh that's shit I could do better myself like I'm like let me give me a mirror and I'll read myself to the ground, you know? Oh, it's the second-hand embarrassment though, when it doesn't go right. Oh, I love it.

I love the second-hand embarrassment. Okay, shade. Shade is like, you throw shade. So it's like- I don't think you can use the word in your description of the word. I know, I know. I did that with reading as well.

So like- Shade is when you throw shade. You throw shade, like it's just throwing shade. No, it's like... Again, like a bitchy comment. Yeah. Like, or like a backhanded compliment maybe. Less subtle or not so subtle insults.

Yeah, you could be like, love your teeth, wish you'd brush them. Isn't that just outright being a bitch? Yeah. Excuse me. I love, I love, if ever someone's like getting on your nerves, it's like, oh, brush your teeth. I say that all the time. That one is such a good one because that's getting people together. I say that to everything.

My friends know it's coming now. So if I'm having an argument, they're like, what, do I need to brush my teeth? No, I was going to say put deodorant on. The reason I say it though is because once my secondary school teacher said it to me. But she said it in like a joking way because I wouldn't let her out of the classroom. Oh god. It was a joke. It was a bit of a laughter moment.

We laughed about it at the time. And she was like, oh, your breath stinks. And then the whole classroom erupted with laughter. And I thought, she got me there. You got me gal, you got me. He's such a good one. So good. Serve or serving? Serve or serving, that's like, when you do drag race, they'll be like, right what are you serving? And you have to like describe your look, you have to say, I'm serving, I'm serving today, I'm serving bin bag, I'm serving hot lady in a non-AC room, oh sweat, I'm serving glamour. It's just another way of like, like you'd be like, oh my god, she's serving.

Also all I think of now is, is Marina from, is her name Marina? From Eurovision this year with her song Serving. Oh yes. And then you have to cut the word out. Serving can't. Yeah, the Maltese word for singing apparently. Which then got cut. I love that song, that was everywhere. Yeah, so good. Should have won. Boots. Boots is... Wait, okay, hang on. Wait, real tea. I actually don't think I know what this means. People say it all the time. Oh my god, Boots. I was like, yeah, Boots. I don't know where it comes from and I didn't actually write down where it came from. It's the one that I didn't search. Boots. Where does it come from? Because I love that one. In my head, Boots means like sick. Does it come from like, because some people used to say like, Boots the house down. Yeah. But where does it come from like some people you said boots the house down yeah but what does that come from

very very is it like heathers when they go out how very yeah okay I'm like I don't like those in different contexts I'm like, I don't like those in different contexts. I'm like, yeah, that's not very cohesive for that. Okay. This one I found online garage doors. Your eye shadow. Yes. Block him out in one color. Yeah. I've never heard of that before.

If you do like garage doors. Yes. Yeah. Well, it's just like one color eyeshadow. That's so funny. Cause now all I can picture is like actual like big blue eye. Yeah we're doing drag today we root for the egg and drag a bar queen a bar queen is someone that works in a bar usually it says here this a read yeah like a local girl like you lady Gaga with like so many locals.

The locals. She's like straight down the camera. A diss usually implies that you're only good enough to perform in bars. Oh, fair. You're a bar queen. Yeah. Cheesecake.

Not a clue. Cheesecake? Cheesecake or Miss Cheesecake. Like cheesy? Like... I think this might be more of an American one. It comes from Paris is Burning. Like most of them do. Cheesecake? Cheesecake. Apparently, is another term referenced in Paris is Burning. Some children will ask me what I meant by this, Miss Cheesecake. It means you must not only have a body, but you must be sexy. Fair. So fair.

I get rid of that one. Miss Cheesecake. Miss Cheesecake. That's so... That makes no sense. I literally do not understand that at all. I told you. I told you I'd be rubbish at this.

No, that was the last one and you got the others. Okay, fair. You got the others. Okay, fair. You got the others. So big round of applause for Miss Kitty, please. Cheesecake. Cheesecake. Miss Cheesecake. Cheesecake doesn't make you sexy though.

They have like Cheesecake Factory in America. They put the calories on the menu. Oh my God, no one's gonna be sexy eating that. Miss Cheesecake, maybe because- So much bread. You feel sexy when you're eating it. Miss Cheesecake. Right, for the final segment, we've got some questions and advice for you to give to our audience.

I'm going to read out some dilemmas and we're going to get your feedback. Fabulous. What do you think about straight guys doing drag? I'm straight, but my ex got me into RuPaul's drag race and I am a qualified hairdresser and also had my makeup done a few times. RuPaul inspires me to try it myself. I'm not unattractive and I'm a qualified hairdresser and also had my makeup done a few times. RuPaul inspires me to try it myself. I'm not unattractive and I'm pretty slim. Pick yourself up girl. I mean you've got to back yourself.

Yeah, so I think I would look good, but would LGBT people want straight guys getting involved? This is literally turning into Joan and Jerrica. I love it. I wish they sent a picture in. Let's see what you look like in drag first. I'm not an unattractive guy it's like well let's be the judge of that. But I'll take your word for it. No I think the thing is drag is for everyone. It's been enjoyed by everyone. It shouldn't be done by everyone clearly but I think like it is for everyone like have a go. There's no what I love about drag is there is no rule book. There is no like you must be this, this, this and this. It's not like when you go to a job and they say like,

well, you're not qualified for this. Like there are no qualifications for drag. Drag queens sing songs, they're not singers, but that's never stopped them. Yeah. That's my favourite thing about drag as well is that like, you can go into a bar and have someone doing a Lady Gaga medley.

And they shouldn't be, but they're doing it. They shouldn't be, but they love it. And that's good for them. And then you can go up a few stairs and you've got someone who's pulling like a rabbit out of a puppet's ass and throwing milk on the stage and you're just like... Oh I didn't know you came to that show. I did, it was so good. It's my favourite show of the year. But I think like that's the thing like it is for everyone like there's no rule book you can do what you like. If you've got a hairdressing experience, fabulous.

Call me, because I've got some things. Something tells me that might be a lavender marriage. Yeah, I feel like I can read between the lines here. A hairdresser who likes RuPaul's drag race, who's pretty and slim. And I'm not an unattractive male. I'm not unattractive. F***. and slim and I'm not an attractive I'm not attractive it's okay I can say I've

got a gay friend we could say it it's pride month this next one I'm a relatively new performer and I'm still struggling to handle the heckling on stage how do you build resilience when you have a rough night on stage so they can't handle the hecklers they can't handle the hecklers. They can't handle the hecklers. If you can't beat them, join them. Just make fun of yourself. Yeah, totally. Yeah. If something goes wrong on stage and the audience are calling Oh my god, you need to be the first person to address it because if you don't then the audience will. It's like if your heel breaks, it's like guys, did you see I'd be like who's got that on video because I can get 250 quid from you being framed from that Lisa Riley. there's a tape coming your way, babe.

You know? I don't know why I'm holding a mic when there's one here. I could just... No, you're not allowed to touch that one. Don't touch it. Don't touch it. There's nothing there. I love that video.

I've seen so much. This Pride month is the one of the drag queens singing. I think it's mode on the dance floor. Tiana Biscuit. Yes. And she belts out the most horrible noise. DJ I'm gonna melt this car to a house run. That was awful. She is such an itog. So good. She owns it. Yeah. In the words of Lisa Rinna, own it. Own it. Own it. Own it. Own it. Okay, last one. What everyday

objects have you repurposed into iconic looks? I need cheap, but fabulous inspo. I'm on a tight budget. I'm on a tight budget. Well, as I say, drag, you can do whatever you like. I'm not a crafty queen. I'll be like, Oh, can't be asked. Like it's the sewing challenge on drag race. I'm like, God, good luck girls.

I remember on season three of UK, we walked in, it was like unconventional materials. I was like, well, I'm going home. This is not going to go well. And it was like camping supplies and tents and sleeping bags. Those are my favourite challenges. Hell, hell on earth. Wait till you're in the room with all that and you're just like, this is overwhelming. That's what me and my mum watch it for. No.

Yeah. Cause my first Halloween costume, my mum made me a witch's costume out of bin bags. That's drag. That is drag honey. Garvey Price was born. Garvey Lynn Price. Garvey Lynn Price. Like I remember I made a dress out of a sleeping bag and it's like things like that it was like if you've got material you can yeah you can make it work you can you can do whatever but also like not even like I'm I've made like props and stuff and like I remember all my little props that I made for drug race like and I would stone everything I think like stick a rhinestone on it. Our classes is being crafty. There we go yeah very crafty I know how to stick a rhinestone on something. Well some people don't. Exactly.

And some people shouldn't. And some people should. And some people should. Garvey. Thank you. I spend most of my evenings rhinestoning. Did you? Yeah, most evenings for Beyonce. I remember seeing your outfit last week.

And then Jurassic Park, a really nice butch manly film, I was like, I'll rhinestone a Jurassic Park t-shirt. Yes, of course. Because dinosaurs are gay. Yes. Walking around with two hind legs. Did you find out the other year that dinosaurs had feathers? Yeah, big chickens. Big chickens, big, big chickens.

Big feathery chickens. Camp. Camp, camp, with tiny little hands. Tiny little limp wrists. Yeah, that's where we get it from. Two hind legs running around in big feather bowers. So we're going to play a little segment we like to call facts, stats and fiction, where our producer Bobby is gonna read off some stats and we're gonna have to work out

whether they're facts, stats or fiction. Oh, okay, fun. I'm gonna take. There are only three, so it'll be super quick. What did the third article law mean in the 40s, 50s and 60s? So you said this would be the summer of you. But then you remembered you have kids

and now you spend every sunny day at water parks and petting zoos. So be it. We do the prep so you can get your you time back with freshly prepared ready for you dishes from In this country? That sounds American. Writing something. No, so it's to do with drag. Okay. Oh! Yeah. Article law. That men shouldn't dress in women's clothing, maybe. Or, but wait, did you see that thing? It came up, sorry to sound like a boomer, it came up on my Facebook the other week. You use Facebook? Yeah, I like to stalk people. Anyway, they came up and it was like these army men back in the day that were doing a show,

like, and there was like an air ride siren and they had to go and like man the guns or something and they're all in drag doing it camp. So it was a thing in the forties, but maybe, okay. Is this something to do with an article? Unless an item of clothing, but if it's article of clothing, so it's facts. So it wasn't actually a law per se, but it was kind of police were allowed to detain people for not wearing at least three articles of

clothing associated with their assigned gender birth in the forties, fifties and 60s. That's crazy. I'm wearing trousers. Yeah. I'm wearing shoes. Socks. I'm wearing pants.

So there we go. Yeah. That is wild. As if. Hello. Yeah, it wasn't an actual law, but I think it's basically like they were allowed to do that if they wanted to.

Oh my God. Who is widely considered the first recorded drag queen in UK history? Kitty Scott Claus. Kitty Scott Claus. There's no one else. No one else. I invented it. I invented British drag.

Would it be like really ages ago, no? It's not English. Is it Shakespeare? No. Is that too far back? Yeah. Okay. That was a good guess though. I would have said that. Makes sense.

Because that's where it comes from, dressed as a girl, isn't it? And they used to do it in like Shakespearean plays. Yeah, but that's because like girls weren't allowed to perform. True, true. John Travolta. I like it. I like it as a guess. No, although their real name was John.

John Cooper. That's psychic. Psychic. Princess Sian. I like that. I like that. I like that. I like that.

I like that. I like that. I like that. I like that. I like it. I like it as a guess. No, although their real name was John. Oh, that's psychic. Princess Seraphina in the 18th century. That was my second choice. Princess Seraphina, of course. I didn't want to say that because I didn't want to. Oh my God. 18th century. Yeah. Wow. Wait. Is that like- Victorian. Is that like, no, that's like 1700s. Oh, is it 1700s?

1700s, yeah. Wow. I think there was like a big trial as well, obviously. The first recorded drag queen. She caused some ruffles. Fierce. Yeah, iconic. Which historic 1969 event

led in part by drag queens like Marsha P. Johnson? Stonewall riots. Yeah. I'm gonna say that. As soon as you say 1969, it's like, there we go. Yeah. See the Judy Garland dying or Stonewall. Yeah. It's one or the other. Same thing that some people think. Exactly.

I'll finish the question just for the podcast. Led in part by drag queens like Marsha P. Johnson and Sylvia Rivera, marked the beginning of the modern LGBTQ plus rights movement. Stonewall riots. Oh, smash it. I got one out of three. Nobody died. Nobody died. Oh my God, that clip. Nobody died. Nobody. It's the same energy as Britney Spears finding out that Ryan Seacrest isn't gay. She's there like... For those of you who don't know this, it's like famous conversation between some of the drag race queens from the US and they're talking about Stonewall and Derek Berry, who is a famous Britney Spears impersonator, is like speaking from her chest with this truth that she's like people died and then was like no one died.

She's so like so just like matter of fact like no one died. No one died. No one died? No one died. So good. And that is all we've got time for today. Oh my god. Thank you so much for joining us Kitty. I've had so much fun. Oh good, yay. Give it up for Katie everyone. What are you here to plug? I have got my new show, which is called the Diana Mixtape, which is coming to London and Salford this summer. It's the story of Princess Diana. Don't know if you heard of her, but Diana is played by five drag queens.

Amazing. Keala Settle from The Greatest Showman, The Bearded Lady, This Is Me, is playing the queen. Noel from Here Say is playing King Charles, or Prince Charles. Lucinda Lawrence is Camilla, like it's- Wow, that's gonna be cool. Saw the trailer for it and I really,

really wanna come and see it. And also the soundtrack, like slaps. It's so good. Really? Britney Spears, Chappellaperone, Jade, Little Mix. Yeah, it's gonna be, it's gonna be really fun. Oh my god, really exciting. I saw the trailer and it looks amazing. Thank you for watching, make sure you tune in next week for another app. Goodbye!